Taking Back Control as an Employed Physician with Dr. Weili Gray

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Welcome back to another episode of the entremd podcast. And I have a fantastic guest on here Today, the amazing Dr. Whaley Gray. And we're going to have. I'm so grateful because she's going to take us behind the scenes of the journey of an intrapreneur entrepreneur podcast or like the whole nine yards. And this is going to be a great conversation, so I want you to lean in and get ready to enjoy it. So, Dr. Gray, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much, Dr. Una, for inviting me. I'm just so honored. I remember the first time I was invited to show. It was my first podcast interview ever and I was scared, but I did it anyway. And to be invited a third time is just an amazing honor. Thank you. This is a life changing podcast. I know it is for me and for all those who are listening and I always try to share it with more and more people. Dr. Una, so this is such an honor.

Well, thank you for that. I appreciate that. I appreciate all the shares. You know, you know my BHAG, I'm trying to get to 100,000 doctors one way or another. You said something that I think we should just Go ahead and start from there. You talked about it being your first podcast guest spot, and you were scared, but you did it. And I have watched you for years at this point, and you look at all the scary things and you embrace them.

Now, when I did a poll in.

The, in the EntreMD Facebook group, I was like, hey, what stops doctors from embracing entrepreneurship? Like, either starting businesses or building their businesses to be bigger? And fear came up so many times, like, fear of failure, feel like fear of success, fear what people think fear of, you know, all of that. So you've managed to do everything you've done, and you don't let fear stop you. How come?

Yeah, I think you were the first to put it in a framework. For me and a lot of my classmates, that was like a light bulb moment. And I think before that, I sort of intuitively understood it, but didn't quite, like, verbalize it. And you said, you know, your, your danger zone is actually your comfort zone. And so if you are always, you know, if you're fearing something and you're avoiding it, you're staying exactly where you are. And that is actually, you know, where we're stagnant and we don't grow, and things are just going to be exactly the way they are if we don't anything different. And so, so I've actually learned to feel the fear and then to embrace it. It's, it's, it's. It's a fun journey. And I would say that if I look at. And it's not just entrepreneurship, it's just in life in general. Whether it's, you know, finding a life partner, having kids, or, you know, going on a trip, doing, trying a new hobby. If I embrace the fear, even, you know, like going traveling to a new country, I always have a fear. I'm like, oh, what if I get robbed? What if, you know, they lo my luggage? It's. There's always a fear there, but it's because it's a new thing. It's because, you know, I don't do it every day. And so when we embrace that fear, that's that, you know, like the, the pre, the prequel to, to something really exciting happening.

Love it. So embrace the fear and understand that it's just a teaser. It's showing you, like, oh, my goodness, there's good stuff on the other side. I love it. Okay, so of course, you know, we, we went all the way there, but now allow you to introduce yourself to, to the listener. But it was so good when you said that I was Like, I have to pull that out first.

Yeah. Yeah. So my name is Weylie Gray. I am originally trained as an anesthesiologist. That was my primary specialty. And then I did a fellowship in sleep medicine, and that is what I practice exclusively. Now I am a hospital employed physician in rural Vermont. And that I love doing what I do as a doctor. And I'm happy to share more of my story. But at one point I thought, I think I want to leave men medicine. I just felt so discouraged being a doctor. And I thought, you know, the only thing I can think of, you know, to avoid this pain is to leave medicine. And then one day I realized that I love doing what I do. And I, you know, I look at my medical school essay, the essay that I wrote to get into medical school, and like, all of that is true, and I, you know, it's like a calling for me. I just love seeing patients, and so I do that. And I also am the CEO and founder of Dare to Dream Physician, where I help physicians, patients discover what they really want out of life and then to live that dream life sooner than they ever imagined. And I am a registered life planner, so I work one on one with clients and we just, you know, talk about what is it that they really want in their life and to really, when we figure out what it is, that we want to start living that as soon as possible, because we don't want to wait 20 years until we're retired to start living because we don't even know if we have that long to live. You know, life is not guaranteed. And so, so I do that. And I also have a weekly podcast through the Dare to Dream Physician. So this. And I do events, I speak, and this is just, I would say, you know, I. This is. I'm coming up on the second year of joining Entre md. It's maybe a year and nine months at this point. I just cannot imagine, you know, how amazing this journey has been. And I just feel so much more satisfied in my life as a physician, as a human being, as mom. And this has just, just been an amazing, amazing journey.

Oh, man. Love it. And if you're listening to the podcast, I wish you could see her on YouTube because she just lighted up like a bulb. Okay, so, so questions here, because now you've brought up so many things. One of the things is that, you know, you love medicine and you. You thought about leaving medicine, but it was just because of all the things that were going on. And so I love your story because I say that what we do in entremd is not make people quit medicine is like find out your version and do that like whatever that is. So how has learning entrepreneurial skills even as a, you know, full, full time doc, how has that changed your journey, changed your experience as an employed physician? Yeah.

Yes, so much. And actually I wanted to clarify ever since I started being an attending, technically on paper I'm a part time doctor but as we all know, between all the other things that all the other tasks that we have to do and really does end up being a full time job. So my husband will say, oh yeah, she works more than 40 hours a week. But on paper I am a part time sleep physician with some sort of extra sleep studies that I also read on my quote days off. But oh so many. Dr. Una and you know what's so interesting is, you know, even after my first year in the entre and B business school, I learned even more skills and I just keep applying what I'm learning as, you know, as what we call an intrapreneur, which is, you know, like an employed physician who's using those entrepreneurial mindset at work. And so one is, you know, when you're an entrepreneur, the world is your oyster. You feel like you have options, you have choices, you are the main character in the story of your life as opposed to, you know, kind of more of the employee mindset where you're just like, well, you're hoping you don't get laid off at work and you know, you're hoping there's not going to be a big change. You know. So when I go to work as an employee, I go there to, it's to be engaged. You know, I think of going to work as sort of this is, you know, I'm the CEO of my life and when, and I'm going to put that attitude in my work meaning, you know, I show up engaged. I want my practice to succeed even though I'm not the practice owner and I, you know, I speak, I will be proactive in working with the referral sources and you know, to make relationships with them. And I do it all because I enjoy it. So it's not like somebody's making me so that I think is a win win because I'm enjoying what I'm doing. I am feeling like I have control over my work. And I mean if you're an employer who doesn't want a worker like that, right. They want somebody who's going to show up. And just like Dr. Una shared her first year as an Employed physician after her residency. You know, she was doing such a great job that the practice owner wanted to keep her for, like, five more years.

Yep, five whole years.

And. And it's. It's that. It's, it's. I mean, everybody benefits from showing up as the boss and as, you know, sort of that with that entrepreneurial mindset. And then. And then there's the other thing, which if I'm going to show up to work with that kind of attitude, let's say there are things, you know, as a. Not as the practice owner that I don't have control over. You know, there are certain things. I mean, I do my best to present, you know, my points of view and my, you know, there's always going to be things as a physician that you are going to have privilege, understanding of that, you know, an administrator or a practice manager are not going to. And I believe it's our responsibility and our job to be able to communicate that so that they understand what's needed for the practice to succeed as well. But there may be physicians out there, and maybe one day that may be my position where I'm at a place where I don't. I wouldn't feel like that is being welcomed. And when I think of myself as the CEO of my own life, if that does happen one day, it wouldn't be a very hard decision for me to pivot. I think that's where the choices and the freedom of being the main character in your own life story comes out. Right. So I don't feel like I'm at the mercy of my employer. I'm going to do everything I can in my power to help them succeed and help me succeed as, you know, as a physician there. But I am also not going to feel stuck if I ever get in that position. And so that is priceless. And I would say that is really the defining moment in my shift as a physician where I no longer felt trapped. And, you know, once I had that shift, you know, I didn't have to worry about burnout anymore because I felt like I had the power to really change the world if I wanted to do that.

Love, love, love. Okay, so. So what I'm hearing you say is that on one side, you're creating this win win. Right. And I can only imagine that they would love to keep. Because I'm an employer and I love people who, like, they're my favorite kind of people in the universe. And so you're creating win wins, and you're enjoying what you do. You're showing up, engaged, and all of that stuff. On the other hand, you're in a position where you're not because you're like, I'm the boss. If this no longer works for me, I can pivot. I could. Like, I'm not stuck. I have choices here, and I can communicate and negotiate and all of those things because of all these skills that I'm. I'm learning, which is. Which is phenomenal. Have you ever had to do any hard negotiations?

Oh, yes.

Difficult conversations no one wants to have.

You know, and it really. Being an Entre MD also helped me understand the sort of. The practice owner point of view too, so that when I show up at the table to negotiate, I already understand what they want and how they're thinking and where they're coming from. So one example of. And by the way, I think of every. I don't even think of them as negotiations anymore. I think of. I think of each sort of what we call negotiation as an opportunity. As an opportunity to have mutual understanding of needs and then also to create a win, win situation, like you said. So one example was when I negotiated for a scribe. And so the seed was planted, actually, in entre MD, even though Dr. Una didn't talk about scribes or anything like that. But she did have this session where we talked about how to. How we need to prioritize our time, kind of think of ourselves as CEOs and to delegate tasks. Right. That others can do. Because there's only so many things that we can do. If we sort of offload these tasks that others can do, it will help us be better CEOs of our own lives. And. Whoa, that was so mind blowing the first time I heard that, and it was mind blowing the second time I heard that. This is one of those lessons that come through Entre MD probably a few times a year at least. And that's when I had the. Planted the seed. And I thought, you know, I love being a doctor, but, you know, the charting part, like a lot of physicians, is really not my favorite. And I don't know, it may be partly my specialty too. You know, there's a lot of charting we have to do to justify things like sleep studies and so to insurance companies. So it's. I felt like it was even more onerous. And I just had this realization like, I don't have to do my own charting. You know, there is a thing, there is a service out there, you know, where somebody else can do your charting. Charting as you're talking. And then by the time you're done talking. Most of it is done, and I just need to edit it. And so I had that idea and it was. And I actually met up with a company and they show me a demonstration and then I'm like, you know, your demonstration is geared towards practice donors. I'm an employee and I don't know how that's going to work, but they sent me a sample contract anyway, so they got me all the details. And the next time at my work where there was an opportunity to have a discussion because there was, you know, some transitions happening, work where I needed to have more responsibilities and I didn't want to, you know, step back, cut down on my ft because I like. I said I like seeing patients. So I brought this idea up to my administrators and this is something I want all the physicians to realize is that just because they don't, you know, open their arms and welcome this idea and say, oh, yeah, yeah, definitely, we'll definitely do this. Don't expect them to do that.

Okay.

By the way, it's a process. So I introduced this idea. Of course they weren't going to say yes the first time around, but I got the topic on the table and then we kept talking about it. There was a proposal for an arrangement for my role. And then I said, yeah, there's some challenging parts to that, but if we add this, I'm able to do what we need to do, like you're asking me to do a little bit more, and, you know, this would make up for it. And eventually, you know, there was a lot of back and forth, but eventually they went for it. And what I love was it was fine. I mean, the thing that's really interesting thing is, you know, the people who I was talking to, you know, the CEO of my hospital, the other sort of executives, they all had their own scribes. They're called executive assistants. So that is not good.

That is a good way of putting it. They all have scribes. They just called executive assistants.

Yeah, it's not a foreign concept. In fact, a lot of the things that we as physicians were like, mind blown. We're like, that. That would be amazing. But we could never get that. I mean, it exists, you know, most. Most sort of executive level people who have maybe not even as much education or as many years in, you know, work as we do, you know, they have it. So it's not. It's so. So anyway, that was such an amazing win, win, because I was happy because I said, you know, I could accept what you're proposing, but you Know, I'm worried that I might get burned out. I met, you know, I might feel resentful. Like, I have all this. You're asking me to do all these things. But once I came up with a solution for them, and I said, even have a sample contract if you want to look at it, they appreciated that. They're like, yeah, let me look at it. Like, I already picked out a place, and, you know, this is why I like this place. And in the end, it was a win win because I walked away not feeling resentful. Their physician retention right there. And they were. And they were okay with the numbers. So, you know, this is. This is the beginning. And Dr. Una. I mean, the amazing thing is, you know, I think what. Like, that was maybe a year and a half ago anyway. A year, year and a half later, when our hospital was going through some other changes and there was some difficulty with retention of physicians and associate clinicians. They offered it to anybody who wanted it. So they said, here, we know this is a, you know, we know. We know that you guys are going through a hard time a lot. You know, a lot more administrat. Administrative burden. If you want to scribe, just let us know. We'll sign you up for one.

You're kidding.

Yeah. Yeah.

That is amazing. So that is, like, institutional change that you triggered.

Yeah. And the thing is, I, you know, I just did the next thing and. The next thing, Right. It started with a seed that Dr. Una helped plant in my mind, and then I sort of waited for a good time, you know, to present this as a solution. And, I mean, it wasn't easy working with this. Right. Because, you know, there's a lot of turnover, you know, there. But every step of the way, I use a lot of entre MD type of techniques and solutions that I learned to guide me through it. And ultimately, that. That is. I mean, we can underestimate, you know, the influence of one person. And I wasn't even trying to affect change. I was just, you know, thinking of the next solution and. Next solution.

Yeah. And I think that really goes to the power of, you know, being an example or being a trailblazer or doing something for the first time. We don't realize that, you know, we're rewriting scripts by doing that, we don't realize who we're touching. I don't think we. We know. I think at the end of our lives, we'll be like, wow, what a ride. And who would have. Who would have known? You know what I mean? I. I think that's what happens. So that's, that's so powerful. And, and think about your CEO being with a group of CEOs and somebody else is talking about his hospital and how, you know, they're having problems, retention. It's like, oh, we did. Like, you're never going to know the impact of what you did. So that, that is, that is fantastic. And so you're just a. You're just a clear example of what can happen as an intrapreneur. Right? Like, so even if you didn't have anything else, you're still creating a career, your dream career. And so you are practicing medicine. You're living life on your terms, the way you. You want to do it, which is, which is fantastic. But you're even more amazing because then you have the, you know, you have the podcast, you're doing the life planning and all of that stuff. So before we even get into that, how do you find the time?

I have to say, I, I definitely got better with time management also, you know, as part of the. The. What I learned in Entre md. Right. I mean, I have to say, you know, when, when I finally found scribes that were, you know, kind of able to describe for me in the way that I wanted, which again, I had to use some of the ONTRAMD skills to help process too, life was just so much easier because I didn't have to stay up hours after work to chart and, and sort of the energy, too. Like, it was really. It was the energy and that's. That was so. It was, it was time and energy. And I realized that I wasn't being selfish asking for these things, because, I mean, if you. Right. Like, like we were saying of the example of the CEOs and the other executives, you know, they don't have to write notes on what that meeting was after they had the meeting. So. So that was huge. I think also the Dare to Dream Physician is the name of my business and where I go work one on one and in groups with clients to do life planning and also doing the podcast. And I used to spend hours editing my podcast against the advice of Dr. Una. I had to learn this on my own. And then I found a really amazing virtual assistant who then I taught her this is how I usually edit, and I showed her how to use the software that I use. And that's freed up so much of my time and just. And I'm happy every week or every two weeks. You know, when she sends me an invoice, I'm like, great. I get to pay her, which means those are the hours that I saved. And so it's understanding some of those concepts that we learn in Entre md. But also when I do what I love and I take out the parts that drain my energy, it just. It's not as tiring. I mean, even if I go to go home late, I'm like, I go home with a smile, and, you know, I'm happy, as opposed to before, where I go home and I was drained, and I didn't want to say hi to my kids, and I just wanted to hide in the closet.

Okay. And every mother who has more than two kids understands that. Right? It's like, yes, we park our cars, we sit down in the garage for a minute before. Before we go, but now things are different. And that really is amazing. So it sounds like a lot of, you know, there is the time management, there is a delegation, and I'm really big on building a home team, building a business team. Like, everything you do, build a team around it, so you have the capacity to do more through people, so you're physically doing less. You know what I mean? And you can enjoy all of it. So that is. That is amazing. Amazing. Okay, so your life planning, I want you to talk about some of the wins you've gotten, like, with your favorite clients. Right, so life planning, they do that, then what?

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, it's so interesting because. And you do this with us as part of entremd, too. But. But it just. It's not something that most human beings do, which is sitting down, doing some reflection. You'll give. Giving us the. The time and the space to reflect on what's really important to us in our life. And the way I ask questions in life planning is we sort of think, think. Okay, well, we didn't have to worry about money. What would your life be like? Right, if we didn't have to. Or, you know, what if the money situation is the same as it is now, but, you know, then you only have five to 10 years left in your life. What would that life be like? And the last part is, you know, what if you were to die today? What kind of regrets would you have? You know, what did you not get to do? Who did you not get to be? You know, what did you miss? Right. So some of those are very hard questions. They kind of start kind of more like fun questions like, oh, we don't have to worry about money. You know, who doesn't want to think about that? And then, you know, you kind of go through and it gets more serious. And out of those answers, we sort of start pulling into what's really important to us at the end of the day or at the end of our lives. And then we, we just, you know, then being able to verbalize it and have someone try to pull it out of you, you know, give us more information on that, you know, give me more details, like, let's try to imagine that. And so that's what I do with my clients, is I give them that chance to really sit down and not worry about what other people are telling them, like, oh, this is what's possible, or the next step in your medical career. Is this right? Because we've already been prescribed from A to Z, what we're supposed to do from the time we're in pre med to the time we're attendings. And so to be able to have the space and the energy to do that is so, so satisfying. And it's what helped me change my life too, because then I started feel really connected to, oh, this is why I'm here, what sort of things I want to do. And I realized that, you know, that's actually how I realized I want to do medicine. Actually, you know, I don't want to escape from medicine. I want to do it. And so one client who comes to mind is just this amazing earlier career physician. You know, she. She has a very. She's a researcher, you know, very rigorous background with training, you know, MD, PhD, all of those credentials. And she finally, you know, gets to her sort of dream job. You know, she's that like her first attending job. And she reached out to me and said, I heard you, you know, on a podcast, actually. And, you know, this is, this is exactly what I need. I just need to figure out what it is that I really want. Now I have an opportunity to sort of start my dream life after all those years of training. And we know so that we did that. You know, we started going through all those questions and she reflected back on, you know, what's important to her, and she's just started. She was an action taker, which I, you know, this. You talk about how taking action is important. Entrepreneurship, taking action is also important for anybody that wants to live their dream life, because it's only through action that we know what is it that we really want. Because you could sit there and think, well, I want this. We'll take the next act, the smallest step that you can take toward that thing that you think you want, and you will get a better idea and you will also get energy to start doing more. Because it seems like, oh, you know, if I want to, let's say, you know, if I want to. Gonna quit my job and, you know, volunteer at medical missions for the rest of my life. Well, that sounds really overwhelming. Like, how would you do that? Well, why don't you just take a week and work in a medical missions and that'll give you some energy to keep going if that's really what you want. So with this doctor, you know, she's just such an amazing person. So she was an action taker. So, you know, the moment she came up with one thing like, oh, I really like this kind of music. And I stopped listening to it because I was so busy and training. And now I actually have time, but I haven't done it. And then all of a sudden, she reconnected inside of herself. And so it's just one thing after another. And at the end of our program, which probably took place over about two months, she was, she was a new person. She's like, I mean, she was telling me, you know, what I try to do in life planning. But I didn't tell her, you know, she said, yeah, I realized that I just need to start living my dream today, you know, not wait until, you know, 10 years or 20 years. And she was just feeling it. You know, I could just see a change in how she was and even some of the things that were difficult for her, you know, she's just started taking that next step and it was just so amazing to see that change.

And that energy that is so rewarding. I mean, like, that, that makes it worth everything, right? I love it. Okay, so. So question, inquiry. Minds want to know. So you said that you are going on your second year in the Entre MD Business school. So inquiring minds want to know why.

I mean, like, you know, oh, you know, this. Yeah, this is. I. I'm gonna quote one of my classmates who says, I think I'm gonna be a lifer. I'm gonna be an EBS lifer. So it's different every year. And as you say, Dr. Una, like, even you read the, you know, you give us book assignments, which I love that, you know, I love. We started doing that last year. And you, you know, even if you read this book, even if you heard this lecture, even if you heard this work workshop, the version of yourself that heard it a year ago is going to be different than you today. If we're doing the right thing, which is, you know, we are continually growing and we're continuing up level our self concept, then, you know, when you even hear the same content, it's going to, it's, it's, it's going to be different. And so that is part of it is that I, it's now part of my life plan and part of my life goal to be in a community where I can always keep growing. And as physicians, there are more and more communities like that out there. But if you just go to work every day, you know, that's probably, it's just very different. Right? It's a very different mindset. You know, most people we know in real life, whether it's at work or, you know, through other settings, is, is not really going to understand that. And not, you know, not to say that I don't want to hang out with them, but I also need to re. Recharge, you know, in a group of people who are there to grow, who are there to sort of, you know, not be, be, not be overwhelmed when stumbling blocks come, but just see them as, you know, the next stepping stone to something better. And it's that protecting our mind, protecting our dreams. It's so important to do that in community.

And I'm happy you're in the community. You're a valuable part of the community. So I'm just gonna throw that out there. And so if you're listening to this and you're like, like, you know, I want to, I want to build a business. I am 1000% committed to my business. Then there is a place where there are people a thousand percent committed to you, and that is the OntraMD business school. So we invite you to, you know, turn in your application. It's application only on trendy.com forward/business. And we would love to have you in there. You get to be in a community with people like Dr. Gray and all the other people. There's actually a whole hashtag, like hashtag ebs4life. I'm like, okay, I, I can roll with that hashtag. That's good. I'll tell you something fun, though. I don't even think I've talked about it on the podcast. When I created the school, the tagline was in my mind, I never told anybody was the, the, the, the business school you'll never want to graduate from.

Oh, that's certainly true for me.

But I, I couldn't say, you know, like, you know, some people, like, we've never seen this, we don't know what this is and all of that. So I didn't say, if you look at my Journals from then. That was the, that was the tagline for the business school. And that's, that's the way reason we work on it the way we do. But somebody's listened to this and they're like life planning. I want to know more about them. So where do people find you, Dr. Gray?

Yes. So first of all, every week I put out a podcast episode on my Dare to Dream Physician podcast. It's available on all podcast platforms out there. So go on there if you haven't already, type in Dare to Dream Physician podcast and hit subscribe. It's very. I have just inspiring conversations with so many different doctors. Many of them are in the entrepreneur business school who. I just learned something from them every day, which is why I keep doing it every week. And so, and you get to hear these amazing conversations and I am sure that, you know, the listeners get a ton of value out of that. And as far as life planning, I Currently, as Dr. Una knows, I'm sort of living my own life plan. I have a lot of really fun things happening this year, including traveling and, you know, to all these different places. I'm going to Hawaii later this week. And so I am only able to take on a handful of one on one life planning clients just because I want to make sure I can dedicate the time needed for them. And so I don't have anything on my website. My website is daredreamphysician.com I currently don't have a way to sign up for a program up there. Sometimes I do. But currently, if you're interested and you're listening to this podcast, just reach out to me on DM. I'm on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, just as my name, Whaley Gray, MD. Whaley Gray, MD on LinkedIn, just DM me and a dream physician on Instagram. And yeah, just let me know if you're interested. I love working with clients especially I have a special place in my heart for a one on one because that's where I see, you know, all those light bulbs come on and it is, it is so, you know, it is so rewarding.

All right, people, I will tell you this. And Dr. Gray, you know that I'm not about flattering at all, but you know, her podcast is a podcast you do want to subscribe to. And the reason why I say that, I mean, there are many reasons, but one of them is she is such a great interviewer.

Great.

And I told you this after I interviewed on your podcast. Right? She's such a great interviewer and so she's so present, so in the mo. In the moment, and so she's able to ask the most amazing questions to pull out the things you actually need to hear. So it's a really good podcast, so you want to subscribe to. To that. And I guess we're on trd, so we're special. So you can send her a DM since she doesn't have anything on her website for regular people. So. Thank you, Dr. Gray. This. This was. This is so good. Now, at the time of this recording, we are recording this the day before the Made for More book launches. And that is a book that was written by. By 47 doctors from the Entre MD Business School. Dr. Gray is one of those authors. And Dr. Gray, I want you to tell the listener why they should get a copy and they should go read your chapter.

So this book is going to be a game changer for physicians in the year 2023, which is why it's coming out in January. And the title of the book is called Made for More. And it's exactly. That's exactly why you should go pick it up, because we as physicians are all made for more. And if you ever had a time in your life or your career where you felt like you were belittled or you felt like, I just don't like the way I'm being treated or the way I'm feeling, and I thought that there was more to being a doctor. You know, when I wrote my medical school essay and applied and, you know, studied for the mcat, I thought there was going to be more.

More.

And the thing is, there is more, right? All of us are made for more, and we all deserve more. And that's exactly what this book is. You know, 47 physicians sharing their stories, very similar problems, right? Where we just feel like we're being limited. This is, you know, there's got to be more out there. And 47 different solutions of, you know, what's important to each physician and how they came up with their way of going for more. And so that more may be different for everybody, but it's the theme that this is what we have in common. And you'll get so many different ideas. I am sure you're going to resonate with many of these stories. And I believe the title of. I haven't actually got my hands on the book yet, but when I submitted it, my title was called Purpose Driven Physician. And I just shared some of the difficulties that I had from the time I was an intern to going through. I had a Baby, in my intern year. And there was just a lot of struggles that I had had through the training and the early part of my career. And then, like I said, I had that sort of flip moment and many, many physicians did. So if you haven't had that moment, I know you can. And just pick up this book because that will be the beginning.

Dr. Gray. It is Purpose Driven Physician, and It is chapter one.

Just so you know, I was shocked when Dr. Una shared with me that, you know, that I was the first chapter. I'm so, so, so honored and I'm just so excited. It's coming out tomorrow and I can't wait to get my copy and I can't wait to share with, with many, many of my physician friends.

Yeah, I'm beyond excited about it. And I think it's. You talked about the win, win, right? And I think it's. It's a win, win, win, right? The physician community is going to win because we're going to see all these examples of what is possible, possible. So many variations, like a buffet. Like, what do you want? Take a pic, you know, like that. And then for the authors, the power of contribution, that is. That is insane. And the elevation of your brand and all of those things that go with it. And then for me, you know, my driving force is I want us to disrupt the craziness that is going on in the physician community. It does not make any sense to me that the smartest people, like some of the smartest people in the entire country, you know, have been brought to this place where we're stuck, we're burnt out, there's no autonomy. You know, we're telling other people, don't come to medicine, pick another career. There's financial insecurity. Like, I just cannot for the life of me figure out how this happened. And I would love nothing more for us to be able to topple that. And where, where, like your experience where burnout is a thing of the past, getting back control is where we are. You love medicine. You're financially secure. Like, that's where we should be as doctors. And it's not because of entitlement. It's just that we gave up too much time, too much effort, too much in school loans and all of those things to not, at the end of it, have a relationship return, right? Like, we gave all of that because we want to serve. We want to do all of that, but we should do all of that and have a life. Like, we gave up a lot of life so we can have a life. You Know what I mean? Like, we can't give up all of that and then give up all that's left. We should be able to live life on our terms. So I'm really excited about it. Dr. Gray, thank you so much. This was so, so, so good. Thank you for coming on the show again.

Thank you so much for having me, Dr. Unam. And I am just so inspired by what you are doing, because I remember you learning about this podcast and meeting you two years ago, and it felt like it was 20 years ago, especially given how much entre MD has grown. And, yeah, you continue to be an example. And as you know, everybody in the school thinks so highly of you. So for those of you who are not yet in Entre MD business school, in this school, you know, we were just. We are always sort of in awe of, you know, seeing Dr. Una as our example and all the things, you know, the community and also the leadership that we get in this school. So I would love to see you on the inside and, you know, if you have any questions, please, you know, reach out to me. I'd be happy to. To answer them.

Thank you. And thank you for doing that. That's. That's. That's so good. All right, people. I don't know this. This was, like, so fantastic. Okay. One of the things that you can do to be part of the calvary is take this episode, share it with another doctor. You can tell, especially our intrapreneurs, right, because they're like, I don't have a private practice. I don't have this. I want you to share this with them, and let's create that ripple effect of change in the physician community, because we are. We are set on this. The intention is set, and it's going to happen. We are going to get to this point where the vast majority of physicians are. They're, you know, they fall back in love with medicine. They're living life. They're practicing medicine on their terms. So share it, and I'll see you on the next episode of the Entre MD podcast. Hey. Hey. If you love listening to the Entre MD podcast, I want to invite you to join Entre MD on Demand. It is my signature subscription program that gives you access to a library of business courses designed to help you do one thing as a physician entrepreneur, and that is to thrive. Just head out to entreand.com ondemand and I'd love to have you join us. See you on the inside.