The Skinny on Coaching with Dr. Caroline Clerisme, Dr. Catherine Toomer, Dr. Kereese Gayle-Farias and Dr. Latifat Akintade

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Hi, docs. Welcome to the Entre MD Podcast where it is all about helping amazing physicians just like you, embrace entrepreneurship so you can have the freedom to live life and practice medicine on your terms. I'm your host, Dr. Una. All right, everybody. So welcome back to another amazing episode of the On Trendy podcast. I know I tell you every week that I'm super excited about the episode, but I'm super, super, super duper excited about this episode because I have not one, two or three, but four, four amazing physicians on here with me, and we're going to be talking about all things coaching. So I know a lot of docs have questions. You're thinking of starting a business or, you know, you're thinking of, you know, remodeling some part of your life. And you've heard about coaching and you have questions about coaching. And we're going to talk about all of that today. Okay, So I have Dr. Toomer, who is a family medicine doctor and she helps people maximize their health and wellness through weight loss. She is fantastic, phenomenal doctor. And I have Dr. Carolyn Clarissme. She is a dentist and she's the founder of Doctors out of Debt. She helps doctors get out of debt, which is phenomenal. I have the amazing Dr. Carice Gayo. She is a pediatrician out of Valdosta, Georgia, and she is a model entrepreneur, totally killing it. And I have Dr. Latifat and she is a gastroenterologist out of California. Just so you know, my dad says you live in Georgia. I'm like, yeah, you don't live in California. You don't live in America.

I was like, whatever.

So she's based in California where my dad thinks all Americans should live. And she is the founder of MoneyFit MD. She helps female physicians get their money right. Okay, so these are the four amazing doctors that are on here. And. And we're just going to talk coaching. OK, so I'm going to start with Dr. Caroline. I'm going to give you a moment to introduce yourself and I want you to kind of share what life was like for you before coaching.

Thank you for having me. Again, as you introduced me, I'm Dr. Carolyn Clarissme, general dentist in Manchester, New Hampshire, where it's already cold. And I help doctors get out of debt and create generational wealth.

And.

And I'm the founder of Doctors out of Debt. And it took several years to get to that point. Actually, I didn't even have a business for a year ago. I still didn't have a business. And I met Dr. Una and she definitely gave me no roadmap as far as how coaching can change everything and how I can have a business. I mean, if I just follow the plan that she had for me because I was told by several coaches that not just one, several, that I didn't have a business, but I realized that I was talking to the one coaches. So it's very important to actually hire a great coach who has a vision for you, who has had success stories as well, to be able to help you get to your goal. So, yeah, to answer your question, I had no business before coaching.

Wow.

Okay.

So I didn't know several coaches told you you didn't have a business. I thought it was one. No more than one. Several. Okay. All right. So when you meet a coach who says, that's not a business, maybe find another coach is the moral lesson of that. Okay. Now, when you decided, okay, I'm going to do coaching because a lot of people decide maybe I should do that, but then they think, well, maybe I don't have the money to invest in coaching or maybe I failed at this before, so I'm not going to do this, what kind of objections did you have as far as getting a coach on board? How did you overcome them? What made you decide, no, I'm going to get a coach anyway?

Well, it was my passion, it's always been my passion to help doctors get out of debt. But again, sometimes I still have some kind of resistance because I kept hearing the voices of those other coaches. You don't have a business. No one is going to pay you. No one's going to hire you. So of course I kept having those voices in my head, but I just had to stay focused and tell myself that's my passion. I know people need help getting out of debt and creating that wealth, so it just has to stay focused.

Okay, so keeping your eyes on what it is you wanted to help people do.

Yes.

What helped you go, like, whatever. I'm just going to do it anyway.

Yes.

Yeah. I love it. Okay, so for you, what has been the best part of coaching, like, being coached?

To me, it's probably being vulnerable or just being coachable because it's very important to just. I love being in control. I love, love being in control. I was like, okay, Let me let Dr. Una guide me. I'll do it. But it was a process. But for me, I actually enjoyed that. To let someone guide me and not be in total control and actually started seeing results. I'm like, Let me let Dr. Una do it, because I'm already seeing results. So just being coachable and just relax, you know, just enjoying the process.

Oh, that is so good. And that's one thing about being an entrepreneur. You get to enjoy it. Like, it's fun after you get over the first. Ah, you know, it ends up being fun. So now you went from, I didn't have a business and what I am thinking about doing, what I'm passionate about is not a business, to now having a business. So how has life changed. How has your business changed since you started coaching?

Well, I have. I feel that I'm more confident as far as helping doctors get out of debt. I have many people always contacting me because they know I'm. I know what I'm talking about. I'm very comfortable talking about getting out of debt, creating wealth. And I have so many testimonials, so many doctors, they're happy with their results.

So.

Yes.

So best thing for you?

Yes.

I love it.

Love seeing results, quick results. And I feel like the way I have some doctors, they're like, they just text me like, oh, I just paid off seven credit cards in two months. Or my credit score went from seven or four to 800, like, quickly, you know, and I love seeing those results quickly.

So that's. For me, that. That part is like the. I think that's the high of being an entrepreneur, like seeing results in other people. It's like you can't replace that feeling. That is awesome. And if you guys don't know, Dr. Carolyn, she paid off $250,000 of student debt in four and a half years and now she helps other doctors do the same. So if you're thinking like, man, every time I go to bed, I wake up in the middle of the night because I'm terrified of these student loans, then you need to go find her. Okay. Drzet.com awesome. Okay, so shifting gears, Dr. Carolyn, I'm going to come back to you. Let's talk to the amazing Dr. Kathy Toomer. I'm going to let you introduce yourself as well. Okay. She has a phenomenal story as well. And then, you know, tell us what it was like before coaching for you.

Well, you said, I'm Dr. Kathryn Toomer. I am officially trained in community health and family medicine and primarily worked with underserved communities to help people turn their health around. I myself then had a health crisis where I after gaining weight for several years through residency, the stress of residency, the stress of medical school, eating like my husband because I just got married, having two children in three years, living near my mother in law, not being able to tell her no because she can really cook. I ended up with a BMI over 40. So I was morbidly obese and I'm 5ft tall so that I was just ill. I ended up as an insulin dependent diabetic. My joints ached, I didn't sleep very well. And then I said now. Then I had a newborn a month after she was born. I went into congestive heart failure and my ejection fraction was about 15%. At the time you seemed like 1 5. 1 5. Wow. And I was given a 50% chance of living five years. Most women who were diagnosed with what I had, 50%, there's a 50% mortality rate. So I was scared, was very. And I couldn't exercise. I couldn't do much of anything. I mean I couldn't even brush my teeth and stand up at the same time. And so but I knew that there was at least something. The only thing I could control was my weight. And I knew that if I could get my diabetes under control because I couldn't do anything about my heart, but I knew I could do something about my diabetes. And so I just essentially I started looking for doctors to help me, looking at nutritionists, looking at anyone with any information. And I learned a few things rather quickly that most people follow the science, the science, but not the art of medicine that you Have a lot of people who never struggled with weight trying to tell people who have a weight issue how to lose it. And that my medical school education was somewhat inadequate in terms of helping people get from point A to point B using a real biopsychosocial model. And so what I ended up doing was creating a program for myself. Now this was long before ketogenic diets and I ended up creating that for myself. I just kind of figured that out over time that, you know, cutting my carbs way down, doing everything. And so I did lose £60. I went off insulin, actually went off medication altogether for diabetes. I was diet controlled. My ejection fraction over time went up to 60% with 50% being normal. So I was actually better than normal. And then I went back into clinical medicine, but I found that I couldn't help my patients do the same thing. And so eventually I just got tired of 15 minute appointments and created an entity where I could spend an hour. I became essentially a health coach before I even knew what coaching was. I didn't even realize that doctors could be health coaches. But I ended up creating something where I could help people maximize their health and wellness, but through weight loss, but using a biopsychosocial model. So therefore addressing, you know, health issues, social issues, how you're, you know, how your body functions, how you function in society and how your well being and you function within mental health. And so that's what I, and I knew it was a business now that I knew. And I actually jumped headfirst. I mean, before I even had a business model, before I had, I had an office set up, my program put together. But it was, it was a little hard because what happened? I decided I was going to get out of clinical medicine. A friend of mine had a weight loss business. She sort of handed it to me, but it was a model that I didn't really follow. But I didn't know how to get out of that model. And so I floundered. And I had all these ideas and.

I knew all these.

And I just floundered. I was floundering. I had people coming at me saying they wanted my services and I didn't quite know how to streamline them. I didn't know what kind of programs I should have, if I should have packages, should I have this? I just didn't know. But I knew one thing I knew I wanted to own my own business, I wanted to own my own time, and I wanted to make sure that what I did felt good to me in terms of helping People, health wise. I just didn't want to be a weight loss pill pusher because I just didn't feel like that was good. So I went to a business conference put on by another physician who I had been following on Facebook. And while I was sitting there, another doctor stood up and started talking about her business. And she said, I am a pediatrician. I own my own business. I work two days a week doing what I love, and the rest of the time, I do all the other stuff that I love. And I said, that's who I need to be talking to. And of course, that was Dr. Luna.

I remember that. That was two years ago, actually.

So I started following you on Facebook. And then I just needed someone I could trust, someone who I could have confidence in, someone who wouldn't take my BS to put it. Who would just put me in my place. Cause I'm someone who tends to. If I don't like something, I'll railroad over people just like, I'm not gonna listen. And I needed someone to say, okay, yeah, you can fool yourself if you want, but. And so. So that's what happened. And then I just got nicely streamlined, and I realized that what you did for me was exactly what I was doing for my clients, my patients, in that I was just getting all the. Pushing all the noise away and getting down to the real issue, fixing that issue first and then building from there. And that's like that.

You guys like that. Take all the noise away and streamline it. That is so good. Get down to the real issue and take care of that. That is so good.

And you say the brass tacks, but that's exactly what. That's what you did for me. You gave me focus, and that's what I needed.

I love it. Love, love, love it. And I've loved working with you. Love it. Okay, so this is two years now, all right? So at this point, you're probably really far away from floundering. So what does it. What does life look like? What does your business look like?

My business has grown exponentially. It grew exponentially after we started working together. I mean, we're talking 600% with it. Because suddenly I had a message. I had a voice. I knew exactly. That was the biggest. I think the biggest part of what you helped me with is getting my message clear. So people knew exactly what they were getting when they came to me. And I could do so much as a family physician. Pretty much everything falls under my, I guess, my skill set to a degree. But I had to focus because otherwise it's like I had to make sure I didn't start going down that primary care road with every single person who walked into the office, which was difficult for me at first. But then what. What life, what it did was that it kept me focused. So they gave me more time, which meant I had more time for my family, I had more time for my husband, hobbies. I had, you know, more time to relax, to actually decompress. I could control my schedule absolutely. So if it was getting to the point where I was getting to the end of my rope, I could just not have any activity for a week and relax. And that really, really, really came into play when my father passed away in March. I didn't really appreciate it until my father passed away on a Friday. The country shut down from COVID on a Monday. On that Monday. And I needed a break from everything because I had children coming home from college. And I just. And it suddenly hit me that I truly created what I wanted. A entity that I could scale as I wanted. I could step away as I wanted. I could fully control my schedule and not owe anything to anyone except for the few, know the people, of course, of patience. But I could spread them out in a way so that I could have that time to really heal. I needed that time to heal. And so that, I have to say, is the absolute best part of what has happened, is realizing that I have absolutely achieved what my ultimate goal was, was to have complete autonomy. And I have that. And I. And I really. And I would not have had that had I followed where I was going if you hadn't pulled me back in, onto the right path, because I would have had an office that I had to be in every single day. And that's really not what I needed or wanted. And so when Covid hit, I pivoted within two days.

I remember that because we didn't talk about the pivot. We got on a call and you're like, oh, yeah, I pivoted. I took it all online. I was like, oh, great. Okay, that's completely. That's amazing.

Completely. And I. And if you had asked me six months before, you know, you're going to be at home the whole time. You're going to do all this. And I would have been. It would have freaked me out completely. But the steps were in such small increments and were so logical that when I got to that point, it didn't feel like a strain. It didn't feel like something so drastic. And again, I keep paralleling what you do with what I do and realizing that your process and my process are very, very similar, just in different fields. And so I've actually, in learning how to run my business, I've also been learning from you how to be a good coach, even though that technically isn't part of what we do together. Just by modeling, I can follow what you're doing. And it actually has been as much of a learning curve as the information that you've given me for me.

That is so amazing. So, so, so amazing. I'm happy for you. She's like, I, I did what I set out to do. Like, how cool is that?

No, you helped me do what I set out to do because Lord knows I don't think I would have reached there otherwise. I wouldn't know where I'd be right now.

So cool. And that's the beautiful thing about, you know, being an entrepreneur is you choose what you want to do. Right. My dad is 84 and he's still reading anatomy books till today. And he loves, like, he just wants to take care of patients forever. And for some people, we want to do that for some people. For you, I know your family and being there for them and all that is so important to you. Like, so, so, so important to you. And you get to practice medicine in a way that it lets you do what is most important to you. So that's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. All right, so ride it along. I'm going to Let the amazing Dr. Carice introduce herself to the Entre MD community. She is a fabulous physician, so she's not going to tell you this, but I will now. So she reached out when she was a year and a half or so out of residency and she's like, so about coaching. I was thrown off because I'm like, wait a minute, she's fresh out of residency and she's just like, I know there's more and I want more. Like, like, this is years ago, but it's stuck in my brain that she said that. And she is one of the most phenomenal physicians I know. She is an intrapreneur and I'm excited that she gets to share her coaching story with you. So, Dr. Carice, you can introduce yourself.

How are you?

And you can share what life was like before coaching. What made you reach out and say, I want to coach?

So I'm like, I tend to kind of low key stalk people on social media. So yeah, I graduated residency and I think you actually were right. It was about two and a half years after. It was about A year after I reached out to you. But that's because I was watching you. I've been watching you for a while and I saw all the ways that you were kind of doing exciting things for your practice and, like, putting yourself out there. I used to tune into like your legacy parent show.

You did? I don't remember that. Low key stock. Okay, got it, got it.

I was listening and I watched, you know, those, those episodes and I just, I was like, that's like what I want to do. I love my job. I'm a pediatrician. I love seeing babies. I love clinical work. But at the same time, I've always been this person that I love, having my hand in all these different pots and I like, I tend to be good at what I try to do and I like to do a lot of stuff. So I couldn't see myself just nine to five every day and that's it. So because I saw that you were doing all these things and then I saw that you started coaching, I was like, well, I mean, she's who I want to model after. So that's why I reached out to you. Because I don't see myself just doing clinical work forever and not even in the beginning. Like, I like to try different things and do different things. So, yeah, love it.

So I'm going to have you share a little bit, right, about some of the key things that you've done. So you're an entrepreneur, you're employed, but you've done a lot of really cool things in your practice. And that's made a huge difference both in how you're perceived, how you're positioned in the practice, how you're positioned in the community. Can you share a few of those things?

Well, all due to you, of course, because you push us all to do. To think outside of the box and do things that are not. That don't necessarily come naturally to us. So I started doing a YouTube channel. It's one of the main things where we'll post topics and just talk through and the community just really loves that. I have people that come into the office and say, hey, yeah, you're the doctor that I saw on YouTube. That's why I chose this practice. Or you're famous YouTuber.

Okay.

Or yeah, please keep those videos coming because we all will get together and just share, like, listen, this is what my doctor says. So that's been really useful, not just for getting the name of the practice out, but also just for keeping our patients informed. And they really love it. I've done A little bit of speaking here there, which also, I'm in a smaller community, so they really love when they have a doctor that they can come up to after and ask questions about, you know, what's going on with their kid and what else have I done? I was kind of pushing before COVID for us to start telemedicine. And so when Covid hit, we were ready to start telemedicine, so we weren't scrambling because we have to be ready to pivot and change and move with the times. Because everybody now is all mobile. It's all digital. Everybody wants, you know, they want their paperwork online. They want to see their doctors online. They don't always want to come into the office. And so that was something that was really huge for the practice as well. So, I mean, those are, I guess, like, the three main things.

Yeah. And I think I remember you saying that they checked the website traffic, and they're like, oh, yeah. Most of the traffic. I don't remember what the number was. Came from the YouTube channel. So here you are doing big things. I love it. Love it. So for you, what has been your favorite part of being coached?

I love the way that you make me get out of my own way.

Oh, okay.

Because I will, in my head, create all of these reasons why I can't do X, Y, or Z, or I shouldn't do X, Y, or Z. And then you're like, so why not? Like, all you have to do is this. And then it's done. A big thing with me is like, oh, I'm so busy. You know, I have a young daughter and nine to five, and I come home and I have to cook and I have to do this. And she's like, just do this, and then you can get it done. And I'm like, duh. Why didn't I think of that? There's no excuses. And you take those excuses away and help us see, or at least help me see, how the things that I want to get done are possible. It's not impossible. Nobody's too busy to do anything. You can figure out a way to get it done. So, yeah, it's all possible.

I love it. I love possibilities. So now. So I think we've been. We've been at this for a little over two years at this point. So what would you say life is like? How is it different? Life, you know, work, business, all of that. How is that different since you embraced coaching wholeheartedly?

It's great.

It's just.

I mean, you know, I've been able because I've been able to produce, I've been able to position myself a little bit better in our practice so that I will hopefully be making partner soon.

Okay, podcast listeners, I was just dancing. You couldn't see that, but that's what I was doing. Love it.

Because even just the time management skills that you've shown have just made, have shown me have made everything easier. You know, like, I batch everything now.

Everything.

And it makes it. It just makes life that much more convenient and that much more enjoyable. And it's awesome.

Love it, love it, love it. And congrats in advance on making part. How about that? Yeah, you're Welcome. I have Dr. Latifat and she's going to introduce herself and tell her coaching story. She's the only doctor that lives in the US because she's in California. All the others, they live somewhere else with me. All right, Dr. Lateefat, welcome aboard.

Thank you. Thank you for having me. I kind of know everybody on this platform, but it's such a pleasure to meet those that I haven't met. And your stories are amazing and powerful, and I feel really honored to be here. So thank you for sharing with us. So I live in the United States of America, AKA California, so I am a GI doctor. I'm a gastroenterologist. I practice in Sacramento. I have three kids and married. And I am also a money and mindset coach. And what that means is that I help women physicians transform their money lives and in the process, really transform themselves. So how did I get to this point? I would say so I've been knowing about money or learning about money for the last two years. And that kind of came from a place of being broke, really, because about five years ago, I kind of looked at my life, my husband and I looked at our lives, and we realized that we were living paycheck to paycheck. We were overwhelmed by finances. We had money coming in, but, you know, it was running out pretty quickly, and we didn't feel like we're wasting money, but somehow it seemed like we had a leak in the bucket of our finances. And we're literally living from paycheck to paycheck. I think at that point, our net worth was negative, pretty good six figures. And again, we didn't consider our lifestyles luxurious by any chance, but we were just surviving, living mindlessly. And at some point, we kind of sat down and I looked around myself around and I said, you know, I love gi. I love medicine. I want to practice till whenever I want to practice. But There was so much burnout around me, and I knew that if we did not get things under control from a money perspective, that I will always be dependent on my job for income. So that was sort of like the moment where we realized that something had to change. We had to do things differently. So about five years ago was when we started learning. I started learning about finances and my fear of being broke, my embarrassment about being broke was so strong, I couldn't tell anybody about it. But in the closet of my house, I would learn about money, learn about finances. Like, how do I even, you know, how do I pay off this credit card? How do I create a budget or some sort of, like, how do I even figure out what interest rate I have on my student loan? What student loans do I have again? Like, you know, all that stuff. And what that did was it started empowering me because my goal was to not burn out in medicine. So that was my goal from day one. So I started doing that, gobbling up everything, numbers, money, and I don't like math. I still don't like math. Nothing's changed, but. But I figured out how to understand numbers and understand finances without liking math. So over the last two years, we've been doing this for everyone around us, really. Our friends, our families. We went from negative 6 figures net worth and near 7 figures positive net worth in less than 5 years. And not because we won the lottery, not because we make a ton of money, but because we really learned to make our money work for us. And in the process, we've transformed our relationships with ourselves, our marriage, our kids, and we're just grateful for the life that we have. So over the last two years, I've been helping people do that informally, but from the perspective of irs, it would qualify more as a hobby than a business. Right? So, you know, earlier this year, I kind of just sat down and I realized that, okay, I'm helping people with the numbers, kind of. I'm helping them get out of debt. I'm helping them start learning how to invest and how to make the money. But something just wasn't adding up. I felt like I was working on the surface of them, but not deep inside. So I started looking into becoming a life coach. So at that point, I looked into a bunch of programs, and I'm like, no, none of those programs are speaking to me. And then there was one that was speaking to me, but I didn't want to register because I just didn't identify with the owner of the program. So at that point, I thought to Myself, if I'm trying to coach people on their life, I need to know what a coach can do. So I was looking around and I saw this, you know, this good looking, intelligent, smart, entrepreneurial physician, Dr. Una Chuku. And, you know, actually listen to some of her podcasts. And there was one that I really identified with was the one about being an intrapreneur. And I really loved that because it spoke to me. It spoke to the fact that I wanted to stay an employed physician, but I also knew that I wanted to have financial freedom outside of that so that I could choose to be there if I wanted to and not have to be there. So I reached out to her and we talked and I said, well, I kind of don't really have a business, but I help people with their money, and I really want to do more than just helping them with their numbers. I really want us to live richly from the inside out. And I spoke with her, and this is six months ago, actually. So six months ago, we started working together. I'm a certified life coach through the Life Coach School with Brooke Castillo, which I absolutely love and recommend if anyone's looking for a program. However, I would say that without Dr. Una, I probably would not have signed up for the program. That's one. Because I really needed to see what was possible in someone that looked a little bit like me. And I think I kind of had an aha moment where I said, Dr. Una, when I put you and Bruce Castillo together, that's me. And my life is perfect. And so that's what I set out to do, is to put those two things together, which is what I am. You know, what I think I've created now, and I am super excited about what I'm doing. I coach women physicians. I do that one on one. And actually I am launching, which is kind of crazy to me, six months after I started this business, I'm launching my course, which starts at the end of this month. It wicks to financial freedom for women physicians, where I walk women physicians to just transforming their money lives. And the best thing for me, honestly, is, like, when I'm in my closet at home and I'm in a closet right now for those listening, because I love closets. But when I think about my life, I think about the fact that I am my hope and my prayer is that I'm an example of what's possible for the underdogs, right? And when I say underdogs, that is, whatever that is to you, whether that means the specialty you're in the Color of your skin, the family you're from. It's just that idea of anything is possible. And I think with Dr. Una's coaching, I've really been able to just blow my own mind, honestly, and just grow deeply into who I am and help other people do the same. So that's my story.

I love it. And I love that you root for the underdogs because I love the underdogs.

I love the underdogs.

People that are like, it's not possible for me. I'm like, what?

Come on.

Yes, it is. Let's do it.

Yes, absolutely. I love it.

I love it, I love it. So this is six months. That's so much you've done in six months. It's a lot.

So much. It's a lot.

It's a lot. So tell me what your best part, what's the best thing for you with coaching? The best part of coaching? Being coached for you.

The best part about being coach for me is that idea that it helps push me. It helps, you know, as a coach, because I do coach as well. Right. Our goal is to help people remove those blocks. And, you know, it's interesting. If you don't have a coach, I highly recommend it. And it sounds so cliche, but honestly, someone told me recently that her accountant said that she can tell the difference between people that have coaches and not based on how much they actually earn. So for me, having Dr. Una as a coach is really, I mean, in six months it's changed my business world and really just encouraged me to be who I want to be. Right. In six months, I'm a five figure coach on my way to six figures. And I don't think I would have been able to do that without a coach. So it's everything. And I, you know, as a physician that coaches women physicians about value based spending, spending on things that add value and cutting out on things that don't add value. I have to be an example of that. So my husband and I did sit down and Dr. Una loves my husband, by the way.

Yes, I do.

Yes, I do. He's amazing. You know, we sat down and we're like, okay, what's not adding to our value to our lives right now? And we looked at all the things we're spending money on, including what I'm spending on coaching, because I have two coaches right now. And we decided that Dr. Una is providing so much value. I mean, I've actually considered paying you more than you ask for, just so you know. And I'm saying that on Air right now because I think you add that much value to my life. So thank you.

Oh, thank you. The idea is not for me to cry on this podcast episode. I still have to ask questions.

No, I'm really proud of what you do.

Love you rooting for everybody here. This is. This is amazing. And for me, I can say that coaching has really changed everything for me. You guys hear me talk a lot about it. You know, the first time I got into a coaching program and the investment was 43 grand, I'm like, oh, my God.

Gosh.

And that was my introduction. That was my introduction to coaching. I was like, what? And, you know, this was three years ago at this point. Well, almost three years. And my husband still says, till today, that's the best 43 grand I've ever spent in my entire life. Because when people are like, I used to know you. How did you become this person? Like, you're a natural. I'm like, no, no, no, no. This is 43 grand in action.

There's nothing natural about this, you know.

So it's so powerful. But so now we have a lot of people in different phases of life listening, right? There's some people who are employees who are like, I know there's more. They may not even really be able to define it, or, you know, like, Dr. Carolyn, they may have a passion that maybe someone has told them is not a business, or they've convinced themselves it's not a business. Right? Or you have the person who's sat on that idea for five years, another year is about to end right at the time of this recording, and they've not been able to get it to take off. Right? Or they've started a business, but it's not bringing any money. Maybe it's even costing them more than it's bringing in. And there's some of the people that they have a business, maybe it's even bringing in six figures. But they know they're supposed to scale, but they can't figure it out, right? So there are all kinds of people listening. So for somebody who's thinking, wow, this coaching thing seems like something I should do. But they're on the fence either because they're like, I don't know if I can afford that investment. I don't know if I have the time. I've tried this before, and it didn't work. So maybe. I mean, like, maybe it's not for me. What would you tell the person on the fence? So I'll start with you, Dr. Carolyn. Person on the fence. I'M thinking about coaching, but. There's a big but in the way. So what would you tell them?

It's an investment in your future. You definitely need someone to show you the roadmap. I have no regrets for hiring you. And sometimes I'm like, oh, why did I find Dr. Una sooner? You know, definitely it's an investment. And I coach doctors how to get out of debt and create wealth. And I also push them actually to spend money on some things that are going to bring them, you know, either more wealth or peace of mind or that are going to help their business. And sometimes some courses, I always push them, not get out. That is very important. But it's also important to spend money on investments. And it was definitely an investment that was needed, and I'm definitely going to be reaping that for years and years and years.

The gift that keeps giving, huh?

Yes, for years.

Love it, love it, love it. Thank you, Dr. Carolyn. All right, Dr. Karis, what would you say? Someone's thinking about it, but they say, but, but what do you tell them?

Just do it.

I knew you would say that.

At the end of the day, we end up spending money on so many things that do not help us at all, that, why not? Like, we're all worth it. We're worth investing in ourselves and actually something that's going to give us something back. So rather than spending a bunch of money on, I don't know, some clothes or shoes or whatever, like, actually it's streamlined, individualized. It's for you. Just do it. Because you can, you can find the money. We can find the money. If you just stop spending all the other on the other, the extra.

I love it. He says, you're worth it. Just do it. You're worth it. You're worth the investment. I love it. I love it. All right, Dr. Kathy Toomer.

I mean, I look at it this way. We spent a lot of money to become physicians, and if we can spend a lot of money to become physicians because we saw the value of what was going to happen afterwards, I don't see why coaching. But one of the things that I actually instead, and a lot of my people go to my website, get a kick out of it, is I call myself the butt Doctor. I can't lose weight. You know, I lost a lot of weight, but I gained it all back. You know, I've tried everything, but nothing seems to work. And so I say, I'm the butt doctor. I'm the one who gets rid of the butt. You are the entrepreneur. I Guess. The butt coach. The butt coach.

Okay.

You get rid of all of us.

I'm gonna rebrand Dr. Una.

The butt coach. Well, it's either that or the Fear Whisperer, like one or the other. But really, it's like, I'm not sure if I should do this, but.

Well, this is.

You're the one ask. I mean, if you, if you're not sure, if you have a business, ask someone who is in a position to help you decide if you do or not. That's worth the self esteem boost, the self worth, the time boost. You know, if someone said, you know, how much is your time worth? How much is your self esteem worth, how much is your, you know, sense of well, being worth? Whatever it's worth, then a coach is worth that because that's what coaching gives you. And you know, it's like your life health. It's not just your physical health, it's your whole life. And there is no price you can put on that, to be honest. I mean, that sense of fulfillment, you can't put a price on that. And that's exactly what coaching has done. Your coaching has done. And like Carice, I'm a stalker as well. I think I stalked you for a while. And what I look for is consistency. If someone's consistent in their message, they're consistent in, in the way that they interact with people. If they're consistent. And then I saw you in person, you were consistent. It was just, everything was consistent. And I just knew, okay, you know, if the worst case scenario, I'll learn a lesson from this not working because I'll learn something. And it absolutely worked. And I thought, okay, well, I'll do this for a couple of months. That was how long ago?

That's a long time ago.

And it's, I mean, there's no price you can put on someone getting your fear, getting you out of your own way, getting you're, you know, putting your fears in a box. I mean, the things. And I've said this before, and I know I'm talking a lot, but I'm, I can't say enough about what. This was the. One of the best decisions I've ever made. And I love it when that happens because it's like I pat myself on the back every time. But one of the things that really, is that the things that I was afraid of doing before, I actually get excited about now. And I remember every single step. When you said you should do X ray, I'm like, no way. And now sometimes I can't sleep Because I'm so excited. I want to get up the next morning so I can start working on something that I was scared to do a year ago. And that you can't put a price on that.

Wow.

It simply can't.

That is so good. We could unpack that for a few days, but in case you missed it, if you're afraid, and. And that's the reason why you don't want to get a coach. That's the actual reason why you should get a coach. Right? That's what you're saying. That's the reason why. And when you think about, oh, but the investment, don't think of a cost. Think of an investment that gives you fulfillment, which you can't put a number on. That is so good. So good. I love it. Okay. Dr. Lateefed.

Better off.

Someone is on the fence. What do you tell the person on the fence?

The phrase that comes to mind is your money or your life.

Right?

Your money or your time. Those are the two things that come to mind. Does everybody absolutely, absolutely need a coach? Maybe not. There are some people that maybe not need a coach, can figure it out. And I believe that everyone can figure most things out. But what a coach does is you could figure it out for yourself in three years, or you can, with a coach, get there faster and shorter. And so that's what I mean by your money. Like you give your money to get time back, which time is our biggest, Right. It's the biggest asset we can ever have. So that's what comes to mind when I think about that. And a lot of times people say, I don't have money. Right. And that's why I can't get a coach. But going off of what Dr. Kathryn said, when you think you're too broke to have a coach, that is when you actually need a coach, because otherwise you're just going to stay broke for long. Right? So if you think about it, everyone here has different things that we do. We are passionate about what we do. But you cannot imagine, if we did not have a coach to help us get here, we would not be able to help the people that we're helping right now. And I think a lot of your audience are probably healthcare professionals, physicians. And we went into medicine and what we do to help people. So imagine if someone now goes, well, you can do your residency, but instead of three years, we're going to drag it out to 10 because you can learn how to do it yourself. DIY, right? So that's kind of what this is. It's like, you can DIY this and it can take time or you can actually get someone that's going to cost you money. But if you're making that money back in like one month, quickly, really, you're wasting your time by not having a coach. So it's that scarcity mindset thing that I think a lot of us need to get out of, which is if I'm too broke to get a coach, then I really need to get that coach.

The money coach has spoken. All right, get out of the scarcity mentality. Let's do it. That is so good. That is so good. I want to thank you all because we didn't have a conversation about how this was going to play out. We are just like, I am like, hey, guys, people want to know about coaching. Let's talk about it. I want to thank you for coming on here and giving your time and sharing your stories. And I am sure this would be so helpful for to so many other physicians because this is from so many different perspectives and it's really so good. So I want to say a big thank you. And for those of you listening, if you have any concerns about wellness, weight loss, check out Dr. Toomer. If you're like, oh my gosh, I'm sick of this student debt. There's a student debt Dr. Here, Dr. Carolyn, and she's all about doctors out of debt. So check her out. Doctorsoutofdebt.com if you have people who live in Georgia who need a pediatrician, then shout out Dr. Carice. She's amazing. She's not only amazing as an intrapreneur who's running a pediatric outfit, but she's a brilliant physician and her patients really love her. And you can check out her YouTube channel. I'm going to post the link in the show notes and give her some love. So subscribe and share to people that have children. Okay? Yes. And then if you're here and what Dr. Latifah was saying was resonating with you, like, yeah, money, let's get rid of it. Scarcity. I know what that is. Six figure debts to seven figure Network.

Like what?

Then you want to check her out. Moneyfitmd.com these are amazing physicians. I can vouch for every one of them. They're my peeps. And if you've been thinking about coaching and you've had that, you know, business that's a baby you've almost had, or your business is not working the way it should, or you just know there's more, there is more. Then this is your call. You know, reach out, get a coach on board. Go to the website ontramd.com, you know, apply there and get it done. But we're burning daylight here. We don't have forever to be alive, right? So what we're gonna do, we should just do it quickly, you know, and then leave that legacy. Because imagine a year from now, you're here on this podcast being interviewed, telling your story about all the great things that happened in your business. It couldn't be your story. Doesn't matter if you're employed or not or you own your own business. Doesn't matter if someone's told you it can't work or not. It doesn't matter. It doesn't even matter if you're like, I don't think I have a business idea. We'll pull it out of you. That's what a good coach does. Okay? So check it out. Entremd.com thank you so much for listening. This is designed to help tons of doctors. So this is an episode I really want you to share so your social media platforms share it. Tag us. Hashtag Entre md. Shout out the doctors here because they gave their time, an hour of their time. Very valuable. Okay? So thank you for listening, and I'll see you on the next episode of the entremd podcast. You ladies want to say bye to the audience?

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