Someone left Ogilvy to start their own company, calling it an "entrepreneurial seizure." They built a multimillion-dollar business that collapsed, but saw the struggle as part of climbing, not a reason to quit.
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So when did you decide that you'd either learned enough or, you know, you're going to, you're going to try it on your own? I mean, at one point you, you built a multimillion dollar company and then it got sort of tumbled and crushed. Yeah. So talk a little bit about. Okay, so you came out of Ogilvies at some point you had, when you start a business, it's called an entrepreneurial seizure.
I love that. I never heard that before, but I love that.
So you had your own entrepreneurial seizure and you said, okay, I guess I'll, I know enough. I guess I'll do it. And it's not easy.
No.
You're a climber, right? So and you've always gone against, you know, it's like it doesn't have to be easy, it just has to be done.