How Kam Went From D1 Football to a High-Paying Remote Income Through Appointment Setting

What's up, you guys? Community member interview with Cam, the latest community member millionaire through appointment setting.

I'm just kidding.

Um, no, Cam is a, is a guy I've gotten to know pretty well over the last 6 months. I don't even know. How long have you been in the community?

6 months. 6 months, about 7 days ago. Yeah.

So 6 months in, uh, guy picked up his life from Minnesota, middle of nowhere. Yeah. And, uh, came down to Austin, Texas with another community guy and another one just moved down too. So making a small little Sutter House. If you've seen Sutter House Instagram, this co-founder of Sutter House Instagram.

Shout out Sutter House.

Um, But yeah, man, so I wanted to get you on for anyone that is looking into like high-ticket sales or looking into the community, kind of just give the real, the real raw rundown of, you know, what it looks like 6 months in. So I guess let us, let the people know kind of what you're, what you're up to now, and then we'll dive into kind of leading up to that.

Yeah. So right now I am doing SDR work on an offer as well as DM setting. So just handling both, juggling both offers, and right now it's paying off. It's a little bit more time consuming, but I mean, at this stage of the game, that's what it takes. So something I'm willing to do.

Yeah. I mean, as a young, young man in a new city, it's like all you, all you have to do is grind and chill, right?

Yeah.

So yeah, not a bad place to be, man. You'll look back at it. You know, in, in 5 years, 10 years, you're gonna be like, that was a vibe. Like I was just in the crib thumbing and dialing. Yeah.

Um, in the trenches deep.

Anyways, man, so you're doing that now, but you weren't doing that 6 months ago. Let's even go back further before 6 months, maybe like 12 months, maybe 8 months ago. Like what was, what was your life like? What were you up to?

I was just finishing up football, playing football, college football, and at the University of St. Thomas. Just got done with that. My path was actually to take over our family ranch that I grew up on raising bucking bulls and stuff, and just found out as the process continued on that that wasn't going to be my long-term thing. So I moved to the cities and was basically couch surfing for a little bit with my friends and working for one of my friend's dads doing carpentry work. And then I came across your, came across the serial sales profile.

You were doing carpentry work? I didn't even know that.

Yeah, it was, I guess maybe not like full carpentry work, but just rug, doing rugs, basically putting rugs in people's houses. Um, it was, it wasn't getting good pay or anything, just to maybe fund the, fund the outings on the weekends. Yeah.

Damn, dude. Sounds like it blows. Okay. So then you came across my thing and actually you, uh, it was like one of your boys. Jake, who you know you and I both know, who I think showed you our stuff and what we were doing, and you ended up taking the jump in before him. And he so did he, and he's he's doing all right now from last I heard as well. But yeah, dude, what what was it about your your doing rugs, your couch surfing, and then someone shows you this Instagram page of this random dude online talking about remote sales jobs, like what was the, the thing in your mind that was like, oh yeah, like this is what I should do?

Ah, that's a great question. But so years ago I found out about high ticket sales and tried doing it through Facebook groups and everything like that, but didn't know anything about how to get started or how to do a Loom video or how to apply or anything like that. So it just wasn't in the cards. And then you were talking about it. across your page and everything. And honestly, the way you like carried yourself and put stuff out there, it just seemed super genuine compared to a lot of other guys in this online Twitter money space, I guess you would say. And I was just like, I literally have nothing to lose right now. Like literally nothing to lose.

Yeah.

So let me just take a chance and get on this call. Like no decisions needed to be made. Um, but little did I know it was like, that's kind of how it goes. And then, um, got on the call and I got closed.

That's funny. Um, yeah, I mean, you would probably, that's the way that we like even run the community calls. It's like nobody gets on a, on the call and doesn't know what we do and how it works. You know, it's just like a little bit different than like what, what you're doing right now with the SDR stuff. A lot of people don't know how it works cuz like they just discovered us, uh, you know, however long ago, like a, I mean, not even a week ago. So yeah, man. I mean, hopefully you're, you look back at that and you're like, yeah, I'm glad I did that. Cuz now, like if, if you would've told yourself 6 months ago that you would be doing what you're doing, you'd be in Austin, Texas.

Yeah.

Working 2 remote sales jobs, doing pretty well, like having some good months, you would just be like, uh, no fucking way. Or like, like, yeah, no way.

No way. I didn't, this is all honestly like God's timing. I'm not gonna bring like religion or anything into this, but like really like a whole new path just opened up just from joining that community. And it's kind of crazy how A little bit of networking, presenting yourself well and being confident in your abilities and taking a chance on yourself, what that can change for the trajectory of your life. Like now, just being where I'm at, I know I'm low on the totem pole, but my eyes have been opened to so many other pathways that could happen through all of this. And I've just gotta continue to, continue to work hard and continue to be me and Who knows what's gonna come in the future, like a year from now even.

Yeah. I mean, you, you were just telling me before we started recording that you were kind of tallying up some of your numbers and like based on assuming closers update their CRMs, you've done like $1.3 mil in, uh, in just like set appointments that ended up closing, which I think is probably more than that. But like, dude, you can really go, you can take that and go anywhere if you needed to, you know? And so like, now your new, like, this was what I experienced when I got into sales. It's like my new rock bottom, my new floor is like making $7K a month with a remote sales job somewhere, or like $5K a month with a remote sales job. You could do that from anywhere in the world, whatever. So it's just crazy how stuff can, Yeah. can change so fast. Um, what was it like when you came into the community and you get in there and you see, you see jobs going around, you see wins, you see course material, you're kind of going through things. Um, in those earlier days of you like applying to jobs and, and trying to figure it out, like what was that experience like?

I mean, it's just like how anything goes, you kind of. Just gotta do it, um, and present. And the biggest thing that I figured that I could do and leverage was my past experience being a football player and the, the assets that come with that. Just the mindset, um, the ability to just grind and then see the fruits of that after the grind, basically. And, um, it was just sending Loom videos, going through Facebook groups. groups, sending hundreds of resumes, like developing the resume curated for high-ticket sales. Like there's a lot of experience that people do. Like I didn't have any sales experience per se, but I had experience in DMs, how to sell expensive things or stuff like that that I had to curate towards the high-ticket sales, which obviously you helped me with. Over one of our calls, but it was, it was a little like, how am I gonna do this? Like, how is it gonna work by sending all this stuff? And then I even joined like one of the pipelines that you post in there and got, got figured out or got on some stuff through there. And I mean, it's just volume. The more volume you do, the, the better opportunities that you do have. But the biggest thing is Presenting yourself well. Yeah. And being confident in that.

Yeah, dude. 'Cause I can always, like, I can very quickly tell, man, after working with all these guys one-on-one, just like who, who's gonna make it and who's not. Um, and you know, there's, we don't really let people in who we know aren't gonna make it. Like if we knew that, we would, we wouldn't even have the, the call with 'em. Um, But like with you coming into it, you know, you had just recently played football at a high level and you're working at a ranch and like what you just said about how you took the experience of you playing football, um, and working in the family business and that kind of stuff as a reason why people would wanna hire you is why you got hired. Because there'd be other people that come in with that same exact experience. And they'd be like, nobody wants to hire me. I haven't done sales yet. Like they're just looking for reasons for it not to work. And because they're looking for that, that's what they're gonna find. So like high ticket sales, bro, like especially appointment setting, whether it's DMs or phone, it's like you don't need a crazy sales background. Like you just gotta be a likable person, be able to speak halfway decently and like be at the right, right place at the right time. And know, know some people. So, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, I don't know. I think that's why we always like look at, you know, for hiring in the agency, like guys that are like athletes or military or whatever. 'Cause it's just like, as long as they're, uh, you know, they can speak well and their brain functions right, like they, they usually hit it outta the park 'cause they're just like, they work hard and hold themselves accountable and all that stuff. So.

Yeah. Yeah.

How, I can't remember with your first job in the space, was it with the team that you're still currently on or was there something else before?

Nope. I've been on the same offer for 6 months now, coming up 7.

So you got hired like right away too?

Mm-hmm. I got hired within Week 1 of joining the community.

That's crazy. I don't even remember that. That's crazy.

Cool.

Um, oh shit, dude. Now what, what's it like, like day to day being someone who dials, being someone— now you more recently started like thumbing a little bit, a little DM appointment setting, but like with the dialing, The day-to-day, especially after moving to Austin, like, was it, was it what you were expecting? How does it, how does it compare to like what you were doing before, like fucking laying rugs? What's that like?

I enjoy it. I, I came into this space, I didn't come into this space thinking, oh, I'm after my $10K month. Like I knew it was gonna take time. I was willing to put in the work. I'm still willing to put in the work cuz I'm on the same offer, which is awesome. Um, but it's good, like moving to Austin and doing this, it's, I'm with one of my best friends now. Like how cool is that? Like the, some guy I met 6 months ago over some remote job and we were like, yeah, let's do this, bro. Like we're gonna, we're gonna kill it.

Yeah.

So me and him like celebrate our wins. Um, we figure out how to, Get better, but it's just dialing. Um, it doesn't sound fun by any means, but, um, through the process and what I'm doing now to what it will lead to in the future is what I'm most excited about. And which is why I'm willing to, to stick to what I'm doing now. And I mean, it's just communication is one of the biggest things with all this. If you're not communicating with your team, From all the way up to the ad team to, I mean, me, between me and Diego, it's not gonna be a, a successful offer just because there's no communication. So communication has been one of the biggest pieces through all of that.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it's just, I don't really have a schedule. I don't really, I, I touch grass every now and then. But I'm just dialing, man. And again, it's something that I, I like to do now and it's something that I'm, it's worth doing to me because of what's gonna happen in the future.

Yeah, that's a good way to see it too. Like you've been close to some 10K months. I don't, not quite cracked it. Maybe this month we can get there, but yeah. Um, just like right on the edge, which is still, I mean, 6 months in, like if you were to go get a tech SDR job, like you're not. You're not having a 10— you might have a 10— one 10K month, but like just a little bit of a different game. Um, but what was I gonna say? I'm blanking out. I don't know, I forgot. I was gonna say something based on what you had just said, but I guess, uh— Oh, I remembered. Okay, so like what you just said, it's like Yeah. You know, you're not like starving for the $10K month. Everyone wants to see it. It feels good. It looks good. And it would be good to like have that consistently. But I'm, I kind of think in a similar way. It's like, sure, I'm excited to hit like the next milestone. Even when I was a sales rep, like I'm excited to hit a $10K month or $15K or $20K or whatever it is. But it's like, I'm always more excited about The case study that I'm building right now and how I can leverage that in the future. Because like technically right now with the number, like we just shared, 1.3, probably like 1.5 at least, like you could go and like chase a short-term like jump up somewhere. Like you could be doing that, but you know that like what you're doing here, especially now that you're like, Past that $1 mil, like it's, it's gonna start compounding to where if you stay longer and then you can say like, oh, I'm the guy that's done $2.5 million or $3 million. Like you're just like separating yourself so much. And that's why like even with our, our sales agency and stuff, like, yeah, it's great to go sign new clients and pick up new sales teams, but like I would rather expand the current clients that we do have and like run those up. Um, than just like chase the shiny object, you know?

Right.

And assuming like, you know, your needs are met and you're not like suffering in any way, 'cause if you're in that position, like, then it's not good for anyone.

But no. Yeah. I mean, I just, payouts came this past weekend. I texted my mom and I was like, hey, this is the most amount of money I've ever seen in my bank account. In my entire life. Like, this is, this is freaking sick. Like, yeah, all remote stuff. Like, yeah, I'm working a lot, I'm working hard, but I just said this is the most amount of money I've ever seen in my bank account.

Yeah, bro, I remember the feeling when I first saw, uh, first like $10K in the bank account and I was like, I don't even, I don't even know, like, y'all don't know me anymore. Like, I'm, I'm different now.

Yeah, right.

I'm like, like, y'all don't even know what I'm on, man. Like, I'm on some different stuff than y'all. Uh, yeah, it's just funny. But yeah, dude, like, it's, it's exciting. And then, you know, you, you just start opening up like so many, so many more opportunities when you're not, when you don't have your back against the wall and you can like breathe a little bit and move like a little bit more strategically. Um, and then all while still like, like following through with the results, continuing to up your numbers and meeting people and like, dude, where you'll be in like, fast forward 12 months, like look 12 months back, but then 12 months forward, and then you compare those 2 places. Like, bro, we're, we're looking at like 2 completely different lives. That's what, that was my experience too.

Yeah.

So. Should be exciting, man. Um, what else should we talk about? What, uh, what have you experienced being in setting, being in Austin, uh, living with, you know, some of the guys or coming into this industry that you think would be valuable for someone who's just starting out?

Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing I could tell someone just starting out is to always be learning. I've said that before in a recent interview, but you can't be stuck in your ways. And there's even people that come into this space with a previous sales job and then they want to kind of implement that type of stuff into high-ticket sales. And it's like, dude, you gotta be open to learning and being a little bit more flexible. Like that stuff's not gonna work here. It's different. But again, always be learning. Carrying yourself. Don't be sleazy or slimy with certain things, cuz I know that's a big thing in this industry as well. Um, just be yourself, make relationships, and then obviously just like perform well, work hard. Um, a lot, like I came into this space and I talked, when I talked to you about it, I was like, dude, I don't have anything better to do right now. Like, I, I will just work. And that's what people want to hear. Like, they want someone that's gonna work. Like, these people that come in, and I'm not saying this is wrong by any means, but yeah, I wanna work. I wanna dial for 3 hours and then just F off the rest of the day. Like, no dude, it's gonna take a little bit more work than that right off the bat.

Yeah.

And then you will be able to get to those scheduling your own hours and Like high ticket sales is a beautiful place for sure. But once you get to that position of holding that amount of power where you can be like, hey, I'm gonna block off this time of the day and yeah, whatever. But a lot of people, it's not all sunshine and rainbows and just having a good perspective on it like that.

Or like, I feel like Yeah, you can get to that point, but like you get, you get bored, bro. Like if you're the person capable of getting to that point and performing at a high level while working 2 or 3 hours a day, like you're the type of person that's not gonna like working 2 to 3 hours per day.

Right.

Because you, you get bored. Like your brain, like if your brain doesn't have problems to solve, it's gonna create problems.

Mm-hmm. And so, yeah.

It's kind of crazy, bro, cuz right now, I mean, you're familiar with the agency that we run and all that, but like, I'm in a position where we've hired a lot of people into where there's times, and I, I always have work on my plate, but if I don't have 6 calls lined up on my calendar, I'm like, dude, what am I, am I like not doing my job?

Mm-hmm.

But it's because we've hired so many people in and like we have more leverage now and it's just different stuff that we're working on. Um, but yeah, man, I mean, with high ticket sales, it's like if you can come in with that mindset of just like, I'm gonna do whatever, like I'm gonna do more than the next person who wants this.

Mm-hmm.

Like, and you're actually halfway decent, like you'll, you'll do really well and you just gotta meet the right people from there.

Yeah. Um, everyone, everyone posts on there, like when they're posting jobs, it's like, we want absolute killers. Like we want dogs. Like, you gotta be a killer. You gotta be a dog. You gotta have that dog in you. And if you're, if you don't have it, you're not gonna last and you're not gonna be able to see success. So it's a, it's a mindset thing and it's also like a, I guess like a nurture thing on how you carry yourself. Yeah. How you go about doing work. Yeah.

What's, uh, I feel like now, dude, you're hopefully, if you're not there, you should be, but you're in a spot where it's like, I'm pretty confident in my ability to replicate this if I ever needed to. I know enough people, I've done it enough times, like I'll be all right. But like now that you're there and you can kind of, I'm not saying like take your foot off the gas, but kind of breathe a little bit.

Mm-hmm.

Like what's something about high ticket sales that You act— what's something that you actually were not expecting to experience as you were doing this? Uh, maybe something that caught you off guard, something that, uh, isn't what you thought it was, that, that someone new coming in might experience as well.

I mean, Being able to make money online and then like building relationships with people where it's like you're, for instance, like me and Diego or me and I'm not gonna name drop, I guess, but some of the guys that are moving here could just based off joining High Ticket Sales, joining the Sierra Sales Community and like at the meetup talking about brainstorming different business ideas that are just like Whether that be like a fitness offer or like, I have people coming into my Twitter DMs after that post about the most jacked setter. Um, hey, you wanna, you wanna see, like hop on a call and maybe run up a fitness offer on TikTok or something? I'm like, bro, what? Like you saw that and that's what you wanna do? Like, that's sick. Like you can literally, there's so many people out there in the world that you can. Spin up an offer and at least give it a shot and just make money that way.

Yeah.

That's one of the things I wasn't expecting. Like I was expecting the whole, yep, start out as a setter, move to closing, and then from there just close, maybe become a manager or spin up like another agency or something like that, or community on how to bring other, bring Similar to you, but there's so many different navigations that you can go through on bringing up your own offer and it's just the people that you interact with that you can lean on to bring that up.

Yeah, dude. I mean, sales is like such a fundamental skillset, bro. Like if you can figure out how to sell something, as long as you have like some knowledge around something, like you can, you You'll always be, you'll always be fed, you know, like whether it's fitness or sales or an agency or anything like that. Um, I didn't even, I didn't even make the reference yet, but yeah, I forgot we're talking with Most Jack Setter here. We gotta get you flexing for the thumbnail or something. The first, all of 'em are just like headshots and then yours is just like double thigh.

Yeah. Yep. Or like even like documenting your journey, like that type of thing, how, how important that is, or not. It's not even like an important thing, but where that can bring you. You know, like me and Noah are starting, I mean, we started the Setter House and we're just posting content, documenting our journeys. Like we're about to go to the gym here in about a couple hours and we're gonna do a little video off that. Like Yeah. It's just like fun skill sets that you're, you're building too, is just like how to gain an audience, how to document your, your life. And it sounds maybe a little bit cliché and kind of corny, but it helps. It's gonna help. It's gonna—

Content. I mean, posting content and getting over the fear of like what my people in the hometown are gonna think and all that, like. Turned, you know, it changed my life personally a ton. It's like one of the best things that I ever decided to do and one of the biggest assets that I've, I have. Like I've said this many times before, but if someone's like, bro, like you need to decide right now, all the money to your name or all of your social media stuff. Like, dude, I would probably keep my social media stuff because through that I get connections. business opportunities, um, just a ton of stuff that would lead to more like evergreen type earning potential. So, um, even at like, bro, when you're in the trenches is the best time to document. Like, I don't know if you've seen, we started working with, um, I'll name drop John Mao. He's been on Twitter. I know you haven't been on there too much. Yeah, I know. But like he was at, he was at the meetup, um, and he's just posting like game footage of him like handling objections.

Yeah.

And he's good, bro. And he's like blowing up right now. But it's like the trench work is what people like to see, man. Like they don't, you know, sure, people are gonna watch the YouTube edit with the perfect backlighting and the, the desk and the camera, but like people like to see that iPhone footage. Like, what are you, what are you doing before you start setting your appointments? What are you eating for lunch? What are you doing on your weekends? Uh, how do you, like, I don't know, just all this stuff behind the scenes. So it's definitely, if you're in the online space, like you're seeing the power of content and social media.

Yeah.

You should definitely be taking advantage of it. And I was gonna say too, man, like with the, the Sutter House, like, and you said I'm not gonna name drop, but bro, we have, we have some people coming down to Austin that are more community members, um, more cool dudes in their early mid-20s looking to just post up and build cool shit and sell shit. And, uh, yeah. It's, it's gonna be really a really cool place to be. I was literally on a call. It's so funny, dude. I was on a community application call right before this. I, I, you actually don't take too many of those these days, but I was on one. This guy's like, yeah, I wanna move to Austin. Like, I wanna do that. Like, I wanna be an appointment setter and all this stuff. I'm like, like, yeah, it's a good place to do that.

Um, it's a great place.

It's, uh, it just makes it more fun, man. Like if you were still in, in Minnesota doing this, like, What do you think it would be like?

I wouldn't, I don't know. It would be, I wouldn't have been able to see what I'm capable of, I guess, just because, I mean, I see you on a weekly, biweekly basis and we talk and talk about what you're doing and all these things and all the opportunities that have just like opened my, like the opportunities would've been there. with me in Minnesota. I just think they're that much more closer with being here. So, um, and the lifestyle, like Minnesota, it's probably like 40 degrees with snow on the ground and I'd probably be a little bit sad and cold.

Yeah.

Where here, I mean, it's still, it's getting to that point where it's cold, but the lifestyle here in Austin is just work hard, play hard. People are fit, like People are running, people are making money moves. And I mean, I met some other boys that are in the online space and I go to, I see them on a weekly basis in a different realm. But, um, it's just the people, man. Like you're just surrounded by people in positions to where you want to be. And all high-performing people say, If you wanna get to where you wanna be, surround yourself where people are at where you wanna be. So like, I'm doing exactly that and there's no doubt in my mind that I'm gonna be, yeah, in one of their positions one day. So.

Yeah, dude. I mean, that was my experience in San Antonio. Like I was doing well off the sales job, roofing sales, and then I went remote and, but when I moved to Austin, dude, like started hanging out with some, some bigger players. It's just stuff started taking off. Um, so not, not like specific to Austin, it's just like it seems to be a hub for people in the online space and health and wellness. Like a ton of fitness influencers. Yeah. Um, those types like Noah, my boy Noah, the next BPA sponsor athlete. Yeah.

Shout out Noah. But I don't think it, yeah, like no, or Austin's not, uh, you need to move here, but I mean, just moving out of what you're used to as well. Like, yeah. I didn't, I'm 23 years old, so me moving here was like a little risk cuz what, like it doesn't work out and I don't like it. I, I move back to Minnesota next year. Will that happen? Probably not, just because of what Austin has already done for me. But just moving out of where, what you're used to is a big recommendation for me.

For sure. Well, I feel like we dove into the now, the before, the process to get from where you're at to where you're, or where you were at to where you're at now. And, um, Oh, I think it's cool too, cuz you, you are one of the guys that came to Austin, kind of really picked up your life, really went all in. So far it's playing out pretty well. Sending, being able to like send your mom the, the message that you said you sent her, like, dude, that, I, I remember when I got, I don't, I don't know if I like told my mom, but I remember like getting there and I was like, yeah, this feels good. Like, I'm, I'm excited. Like, I'm excited to see what, What comes next.

Mm-hmm.

But yeah, man, I guess if you were looking or speaking to your former self 6 and a half months ago, right before you joined the community, someone who's in the hometown, which no problem with that, but doing a job that you know you're not really gonna, you shouldn't be doing for a long time and you're kind of looking for that next thing. Like now knowing what you know and doing what you've done, like what, what kind of advice would you give your former self, um, 6 and a half months ago or so?

We say it all the time, man. Time kills all deals. The longer you wait to take a risk or make that jump and really bet on yourself, we all have dreams and most of the time people are just way too comfortable in their current situation and are scared of what That move or different job will, um, if it doesn't work out or not, I guess. But I mean, if you're young and you have really nothing holding you where you're at, take that risk. I mean, there's literally nothing you can lose. And again, time kills all deals. So the faster you can act, I mean, who— I had online business in my head 6 months ago. It was just in a different aspect with working with my family business, but I knew I was destined for something bigger and better. I just didn't know exactly what. And then this came. So, um, the sooner you can really figure out what you want to do, and you, we all have it in our minds of what we want to do, so the faster you can act on that. The better you're gonna be and the, the faster you're gonna be able to get to where you want to be.

Yeah, bro. I talked about this on, maybe it was a different interview, but the compounding aspect. Like if you now knowing, you know, you're 23, in 6 months you've been able to do this. If you had never done this, let's like look out 5 years, like where you would be. in 5 years now versus if you had never like jumped into this space, like it's like exponentially different. Or if you would've jumped in in 2 years versus when you did, it's like, bro, you're, you're looking at 2 different realities, like drastically.

Yeah.

So, I mean, that's what I was saying. Even if you look at, look ahead a year, like, and if, if I look back at my trajectory, like getting into sales, getting into the remote sales, all this stuff, like Every year I look back and it's like, I could not have predicted that.

Yeah.

And so it seems like you, you and the boy Diego and the Setter House squad are probably hopefully on the same trajectory there. You only, or like once you kind of get a taste of it, it's like, as long as you don't quit, like totally like give up, you really can only go up. Which is a cool thing about learning, learning the skill of sales and knowing about, like, knowing is like half of the, the process. Like if you know it's possible to spin up your own offer, you know it's possible to make $10K a month, like, and you have the skill that it takes, like then it's just implementation.

Right. So, well, I think another thing is like making money online. is just a huge thing. Just being able to see that you can make money online. And if sales isn't your thing and you figure out that sales isn't your thing, making money online is still an option. So you could always pivot to like, I don't know, like copywriting or ghostwriting or whatever it is. I mean, it's out there. You've seen it. You've been on these types of offers. Like you can do just that. So, I mean, that's—

Yeah.

Those, those are conversations that me and Diego have had where it's like, man, if sales doesn't work out, I mean, making money online is still an option. Like, yeah, you don't need to go to that. We don't need to go back to the 9 to 5 world. Yeah, that's another thing, breaking from that.

Yeah, I know Diego speaks about that a lot too. Like, was he the one that said he had a sticky note? It was like, don't go, don't go back to corporate, or not Not going back to the 9 to 5. Was that at the dinner we had last week?

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah. Anyways, yeah, bro. I mean, even like sales is cool cuz like, you know, you can immediately start earning a lot, but like when you do start to look for opportunities with more leverage, maybe that's a closing role with like fewer calls but higher ticket price or whatever that might be. Like something like copywriting or ghostwriting or an agency around content or whatever, like You learn scales, like, or learn sales, it'll help you scale those models where you have more leverage.

So, yeah.

Um, yeah, man, learn sales, be an appointment setter, move to Austin. Get a sick mullet cut, like, you can.

Um, they just had to bring it back for the one time, put me in the mindset of like football. I used to rock a mullet in football, so. Yeah, that's what we're doing.

Sweet, man. Well, I appreciate you hopping on, man. We'll probably wrap it there. Kind of went on longer than we're expecting to, but I think good for anyone. Like, dude, someone like yourself, if you had, if you had watched this interview 6 months ago, you'd be like, oh, that's pretty cool to see like an honest insight. And then also for you, like anyone that's recording these, like people will get reached out to as well. Um, so like in doing something like this, bro, it's content. Like Mm-hmm. People are gonna, people are gonna watch this and they're gonna reach out to you, whether it's in the school group, Instagram, Twitter, uh, whatever. So appreciate you doing this, man. Uh, maybe we record one in like a year and see where you're at.

Yeah, that'd be fun. Maybe I'll be running my own agency.

Sutterhouse Agency.

Sutterhouse Agency, man. Yeah. Follow. Shout out Sutterhouse.

Yeah, we can plug it, plug it below. If you guys wanna see some good content, what it looks like to be in the trenches in Austin as a remote sales rep with a couple of these guys, follow, uh, Setter House down there in the description.

Yes, sir.

Cool. All right, dude.

All right, brother. Well, thank you. Peace.

Yes, sir.