How to BUILD Your Business FAST | Lessons from League Livestream

Welcome everybody to another League of Legends business Q&A livestream. I've got my fresh haircut and shave. I miss the beard already. Super sad. But ready to get into a game, helping some entrepreneurs. Let me accept this invite. I have my usual playing partner, Jryze, who's in as FreshFuse, and my usual co-host, RishiKubTV. Rishi, welcome aboard.

Thank you, Evan. Glad to be here as always. Cup of love.

I, I, yeah, I'm only having my cup of water. I have my vitamin water. Alex brought me a coffee. It's somewhere. I got to make my yogi tea with my message of the day. I like— did I read yesterday's message of the day?

We didn't have— you didn't have your yogi tea.

It was a good one. It's like, what was it? It was something about the person that you are fighting with is yourself or something like that. Like, the other— understand that the other person is you or something like that. It was— I mean, they're usually deep, but it was new level of deep this time. So I read it like, oh, that should have been on the livestream. I was so excited by that one.

And that is the truth. That is the truth. We are fighting ourselves most of the time.

So what's, what's in the cup? Cup of love? And then what are you drinking today?

Well, so I have community coffee today. Not a huge fan, but we press on.

All right, listen, did anything happen with the suggestions around this, the How to sweeten your coffee?

Yeah, uh, you mean like the natural sweetener?

Yeah, because you— we're trying to, we're trying to be able to allow Rishi to enjoy her coffee twice a day. Oh my God, there were a few suggestions in the chat a few days ago.

Yeah, it was very controversial, Evan, because I saw some people tell me to put honey in my coffee, and, and I just I can't do it.

All right, controversial. Rishi's living on the edge here. All right, let's see some shoutouts. Hey, wait. Yeah, yeah?

Speaking of beards, have you noticed— is this some kind of YouTube trend? Because you have a beard. You just shaved your beard. Tim has always had a beard. Tim Schmoyer, always had a beard. He shaved his beard. Then I see Dotto Tech, who I don't know if you watch him. He's another techie expert on YouTube. He has like this full-on beard, which he's never had before.

And now it's growing.

At least from my knowledge.

Oh, you grew the beard.

No, it's just now he has this long beard.

Oh. Listen, it's self-expression. That's what it is.

Is it really? Like, do you guys really feel like strongly— I mean, I know there's this whole like beard trend, but like, you're not a hipster, I know that. So what's your feelings about your connection to your beard and self-expression?

That's it. It's self-expression. Sometimes I like having it, sometimes I don't. I get— I, you know, Nina has an aversion to it, so I can't get it like massively long. But also when it gets too long, it starts to itch. But I've also like shaved stuff into the side of my head. Mm-hmm. It's like, why do you want to— why do women dye their hair or curl their hair or straighten their hair or put highlights in their hair? It's just another form of expression.

I hear ya.

That's it. Experimenting with your coffee, you know? Do the same thing all the time, life gets boring.

Did you know that you can get your eyelashes permed now?

I'm trying to visualize that. Okay, I have really long eyelashes. Fun facts about Evan today: I have really long eyelashes. Women would kill for my eyelashes. All right, good. Well, now that we're massively off topic, let's do some shoutouts. Who do we got? We got Zeno in the house, and obviously Jay, Soulforged. Welcome guys, Optisaurus, Damasta. Uh, I'm excited because guys, we hit 1,000 views on the Twitch channel. Look at that, there we go. Oh nice, yeah, it's getting up there, building something special, the new empire. All right, well, as we, uh, pick our champions, JayRyze is mid. He can't play Ryze because Ryze has been disabled temporarily, so he's gonna be Viktor. I'm gonna try to get my Teemo jungle. And let's get into some questions. Let's help some entrepreneurs. What do we got?

Okay, first question is coming from Robert. And Robert is— yeah, Robert says, here is why I'm contacting you today. I'm creating a social club— excuse me, start again. I'm creating a social group club whose primary goal is to add value to entrepreneurs. Meetups, webinars, seminars, workshops, lunch and learns, retreats, and more. These meetings will have a basic purpose of providing others with skills, knowledge, and opportunities to achieve the greatness we all deserve. By the way, Evan, this is— I think he is in Toronto. Okay, so he wants to start this group, and this is a startup from the ground up. I'm starting with near— nearly zero capital budget. I believe it will be successful as I've been preparing for this some time now. I'm ready to launch, but I must have value to share in order to achieve the success I expect. As my first session, it is my intention to host a pitch session for entrepreneurs. There will be a speed pitch, opportunities to pitch on stage, as well as presentations from experienced entrepreneurs and coaches. This is where I'm hoping you could help. I see the cost for having you at an event, and I could not exactly afford you. That will not stop me from contacting you. It's merely a challenge to overcome. I hope that we can speak and demonstrate the value of this venture. I hope to be a part of the 1 billion entrepreneurs you you might find some way to help me achieve my entrepreneurial dreams. And he loves the book. He's looking forward to your book, Robert. That's it. Um, cool. So, love, of course. I know, uh, you sound like you're as excited, you know, as It definitely sounds like you are just excited to help entrepreneurs, which is super cool. Love that you're from Toronto, and it sounds like a great idea. I think my, my initial reaction to his idea is, as great an idea as it is, and I think you absolutely can achieve the idea, is like there's such a learning curve between your really good idea and then executing. And so I think we can all just have these really perfect plans and then spend so much time investing in this plan, but not actually just start doing something with what you have right now. Like what value can you start giving right now? You don't have to do this like perfect launch where everything has been perfectly in place before you get started. Can you just start right now giving value in the small that you do have have, and then build it up to this bigger dream that I think he's seeing. And I wouldn't probably be reaching out to influencers yet, because I would probably test it first and really prove that it's something that you want to do, that you really like doing. You know, once you— again, once you start executing, it's like a whole nother animal. So I think it's a great idea. I think you'll absolutely It's totally within reach. I just think maybe start doing something on it now and then see how it goes. I don't know. That's all I have.

Yeah, I mean, I love the passion for entrepreneurs. Obviously there's an alignment there, and being in Toronto is amazing too. I think what do I think as I listen to this? My initial thought is for you really figuring out the business model, it's super hard to sell to entrepreneurs. And you either play in the space where it's free and you build huge traction, you build a lot of people coming out, and then you sell sponsorships. And you work with big companies, banks, and telcos, and technology companies, and all those guys who are trying to reach entrepreneurs and have them sponsor your event. Or you go more high-end and give successful entrepreneurs a way to connect with each other. Getting entrepreneurs to pay for things is really hard. Like $10 to come out to an event is super hard. It's like herding cats, and a lot of people have tried in Toronto and, and have had a hard time getting off the ground. And so I would love to see your business model and try to figure out how that might work. I think in terms of building an event, if you don't have any audience attraction yet, you don't have any budget, what I would recommend is trying to do something with the BDC, which is Business Development Bank of Canada. They support entrepreneurs, it's a government organization, or Enterprise Toronto, same thing, another government organization, or any of the incubators around. Try to organize using the built-in communities of existing organizations. So Enterprise Toronto, I think, has, you know, 100,000 people plus, and they're email list. They do an annual event, you know, would they partner with you on a different kind of event? By the way, we're in game. I'm Teemo jungle, Jryze is Viktor mid. Looks like one of our players is not joining in, so that's interesting. That is not a good start. Oh, he's here. Okay, yes, I love it. Yeah, to build momentum. To build traction so that if you're going after whoever it is that you want to have speak or pitch to, that you can say, "I've got these organizations on board to help promote this event." You're going to need a space, right? So can you do it at Enterprise Toronto? Can you do it at, you know, the BDC headquarters? Can you do it at any of these places? It's going to be there's a lot to figure out, and I love that you're on this path. I would just try to build up a little bit more momentum before approaching people because I don't want you to get rejected, and then you don't have— it's harder to go back a second time, right? So I don't know who else is on your list of people that you would want to have there. If you're doing a pitch fest and you need people who are active angel investors, And it's way easier to get media on board and partners on board than it is to get the headliners on board, especially if you don't— if you're not going to pay them. Hey, we got first blood! Exciting, it's a good start. Oh, and we died. Very sad. So that's how it starts, and it's a good lesson in just building momentum in general for entrepreneurs. Find the easiest side of the equation and start building around that. In this case, you know, the hardest part is going to be getting the talent to come, getting the headliners to come. So why would they come? They're going to come because they see an opportunity for their brand, they love the cause, you know, they love the mission, and they see the momentum that you've built up. So go up and build that momentum. You know, there's a lot of media who would love to cover this thing, right? There are a lot of organizations that would love to partner up with you, help you promote it if you have a vision for it. You know, as an example, when I was first starting into this kind of arena myself, the first thing I did locally was at a YMCA, and we used their space, and I spoke out of their location. Which is great. And then we eventually got partners with Royal Bank, which is the biggest bank in Canada, to help be our partner. And then eventually I got too big for YMCA, and so I'm like, just their location was too small, so we moved into the Royal Bank offices and they helped promote it. And then we got too big for Royal Bank, so I moved into Chapters, which is like Barnes Noble for you guys, a bookstore. And, uh, and I started doing regular events there, and we had the second most number of people to show up at an event that year. And the only person who, who had more people show up that year to an event was Sting, was promoting one of his albums. So it's like, that's pretty cool.

Uh, that was amazing.

That was the start of my entrepreneurial you know, giving back and advice. I didn't even have a business model around it. It was just I wanted to help entrepreneurs.

Yeah.

So I formed these partnerships, right? First with the YMCA and then with the bank and then with, you know, Chapters, which Barnes Noble. So figuring out those alliances, they helped me kind of every step along the way. Oh, I'm gonna die. Get me back, come back, back, back, back. Could be really helpful for you. And then once you start building traction, if you say, hey listen, I'm partnering with World Bank and I partnered with XYZ, all these people, and the media wants to cover it, then when you're going and talking to people, it's a lot easier for them to say yes because you've done, you've done some groundwork. And it's so much easier to get the media and those partnerships than it is to get the headliners. So I love it. I love the mission. Keep me posted.

Yeah, absolutely. And Evan, is that the continuation that— I'm sorry, that is a long echo, or there's a loud echo again. I don't know why that happens sometimes and not others. Was that the continuation of your story? From the YMCA?

Yeah, I guess I've never told that story as much. I did the YMCA, and I think a lot of you guys know that I, you know, I set this thing up. There's this big free event that I was promoting and working hard on, and then only 3 people showed up. But I did it anyway because, you know, 3 people showed up. And it was a test for me and I loved it, so I said, I have to find a way to keep going. I have to find a way to keep doing this thing. And so I did. I kept doing more at the YMCA. And then we just got too many people coming out. With time. It wasn't like, hey, the next month was, you know, 1,000 people showed up. You know, it built. We had 3 the first time and 7 the next time and then 10 the next time. Just like anything else, just like my YouTube channel, just like this Twitch channel, just like anything else that you work on, uh, it takes time to build up and it takes time for you to get better at it and hone your craft. Um, so yeah, then we outgrew the space and moved into a bank and we grew that space and moved into the bookstore and then we're getting so many people and then, uh, at that time I had also started a new business And it was taking up— like, I had to kind of focus my time, and I stopped doing that and then moved more to online stuff while doing more— I kept doing speaking, but more for organizations or events as opposed to hosting my own. So yeah, yeah. It was fun. Good times. I realized I hadn't told that story, so there we go.

Yeah, because I think most people hear that story and they think— you usually tell that story as like— I'm sorry, the echo. Is it me that I can turn myself—

I could turn you down, I just don't know if people are gonna hear you.

Oh really? Okay.

Because you're being recorded through my Speaker:EVAN_CARMICHAEL] Yeah. [Speaker:JOSH] I'll turn you down a little bit.

[Speaker:EVAN_CARMICHAEL] Most people hear that story and usually say like, "I only had 3 people there," and then they don't know what happened after that. But it's cool to think that it really wasn't just 3, it ended up being the beginning of a movement.

[Speaker:JOSH] Yeah, and the most important part of that was that it was the beginning of my movement. It was self-discovery for me that I wanted to do this. And the early days were amazing, a lot of fun. Like, those— we had a small group and then we would go to a local coffee shop, either Starbucks or Second Cup, which is a Canadian chain, and just sit and chill and talk business for the next, you know, 2 hours. So it was, it was a good, good, good loyal group, you know, just like the people who come to this Twitch chat. It's a good, small, consistent, loyal group. And then, you know, with time we, we built it up and it grew and didn't know everybody as, as deep and personally. But there's always the beginning, there's always that, you know, hardcore group at the start.

Yeah, super cool. All right, next question comes from Dhruva.

Dhruva?

Dhruva, yep.

Dhruva, okay, perfect.

And Dhruva says, I'm from India and I'm in search for a mentor. I'm a regular viewer of your channel. Lately, I'm applying most of the techniques of self-mastery in my life. A young entrepreneur who is in the early stages of building a company, also going through really rough times financially. Yet I'm working on myself deliberately. I strongly feel that I am in need of a teacher, a mentor who can guide me on my path. I'm very dedicated and persistent student. Please take me under your wing, and I promise that whatever I learn from you, I will share it with people around. I believe, I truly believe, uh, but sometimes I have a hard time around people, uh, my daily routine. He goes into his daily routine, and yeah, just kind of saying whatever, you know, I'm Sounds like he's really excited to apply knowledge and, and advice. And so he's asking for guidance. All right. So, yeah, we get this definitely a lot. A lot of people inspired by what you're doing, Evan, and wanting more and more guidance. And so, you know, I totally understand that because especially if you're just new to to anything, you know. It can be scary when you're trying to learn something new. You want to make an impact and you just don't know where to start. And it just can be something that is scary to do on your own. And so the need for guidance is— I mean, I think we all can relate with that. I would suggest that you continue to watch the channel because I So much. Yeah, I always say this, Evan's channel is N2U, N2University. You can learn anything you really want, pretty much. And, you know, it goes a long way just if you have a lot of desire and hunger to learn. I love it when you say, you know, there's people who started out who had even less than you know, you have, and they made it work. So there's a lot to be said about pursuing what you want to do and being resourceful and getting the things— information that you need. And then just if you would like that extra personal help, you know, I would look into locally people because mentorship implies relationship. And so I think the The better thing would be to maybe try to form a relationship with someone locally where you can actually— or maybe not locally. We're living in an online world. Is there just someone that you could contact, check in with regularly that would be able to provide that for you? But I'm trying to give some extra value? I know we get this question a lot, Evan.

Yeah, one, you know, so I mean, the typical response we've given is one, hey, you like, you already are being mentored. Continue to watch the videos, continue to learn, continue to grow. If there's something that you, uh, you know, people you want to learn from, there's a host, there's a wealth of experience on the channel that comes out every day for you guys for free to consume and enjoy and learn. I love the ain't you analogy, that's fun. Yeah, and in terms of beyond that, the last thing you want to do is go in and ask for someone to mentor you because again, it does imply that relationship. Which nobody's gonna sign up for. Like, I love the heart and the passion and the energy that you have, but a way better way to do it is to ask a specific question. Ask one question. What is it that you want help with? What do you need advice with? And that's it. Like, what's the most important thing that you need? Some guidance with. And I wish there was something in the, in the comment there that we could latch on to and say, hey, here's some good advice for you to go and apply. Um, right, what are you going through right now in your life or your business that, uh, beyond just, you know, general stuff that we might be able to help you with? Um, and that's the path in. And it's— I mean, oh, Jay got a kill. It's good to keep bringing it up because we keep getting the questions. And so hopefully, you know, with time, people will— the message will sink in that the best way to start that kind of relationship is write in, call in, you know, whatever it is, with one question, get some feedback, apply the feedback, and then go back for a second question, and then maybe a third question.

Right?

They want to see that you're doing the work. You have to be doing the work because a mentorship does imply a long-term relationship. And again, nobody's gonna— nobody's gonna marry you on the first date or before even dating, right? So, and for everybody right now with questions, give us a specific question we can help you with because that's what For both of us, that's what we like doing. That's why we do this. That's why we do this here. So give us a specific question we can give you some guidance with.

Mm-hmm. All right, I think too, just Evan thinking about the last question and this question, I think it speaks to a lot of the times we don't realize, like, to get to the bigger thing. Like, we start with the bigger thing, whether it's like the big event or the mentorship, whereas we don't recognize that those things come in like steps and stages. And so we don't take that step because we're fixed on the big, big, big picture. And so, like you said, it doesn't look like it's what you want because it's like, oh, I don't want to just ask you a question and then you— and that's it. Like, I want a full-on mentorship relationship, but it's like recognizing the process of anything starts with that little step, and how you, how you manage that little step determines how you receive the bigger steps. And so it's like everybody gets excited about the big thing But we don't always recognize the small thing that's right in front of us that leads to the bigger thing. Does that make sense?

Sure. I'd also say as much as possible try to, you know, whoever you're dealing with, customers, you know, investors, mentors, really try to put yourself in their shoes and ask what they would like. So then the first one, you know, it was an okay job where he was like, you know, I know that getting you to speak at an event is really expensive. Okay, so what would I want to see? Right? Like, ask the next question because all of the people that you ideally want, if you want to have a good event, you want people who are credible, who have an audience, who have a great message. You don't want to have an event of just you know, beginner people, because then that's not going to draw the attention in. So what would I want to see? Yeah, that's a very real concern. Okay, great. You put myself in— you put yourself in my shoes. Sorry, you put yourself in my— yeah, my shoes a little bit, but then take it one step further. And so for this one too, with the mentorship, you know, you're asking somebody for help. It's great to be, you know, it's great to show hustle, it's great to show drive, but again, put yourself in that person's shoes. What would they want to see? Take it one more step further each time. What would that person want to see to get a yes on whatever it is that you're asking? What do they need to see? And then go out and try to do that for them.

Love it. All right. Next question comes from Quincy.

Quincy.

Yeah, Quincy says, hi Evan, I live out here in Toronto, but I'm not sure how to make my own business here. I always knew in my mind since I was a kid that I'd be a man with a lot of money. The thing is, I just do not know where to start because I do not have an idea what field I would like to start business in. The next thing I want to do is invest, what I also have no clue about. I'm reaching out to you. You have inspired me, and I would like my dream to become a reality. I guess what I'm saying is I do need guidance on these types of things since I was never taught them. Okay. All right, um, yeah, so he's looking for guidance on, on his entrepreneurial aspirations as well as he wants to invest. Uh, I guess the feedback that I have is just kind of similar to even what we gave the last question is just start. And can you, like, what, what would you be able to start today in a small measure that makes you excited and come alive? It may not be the big idea. It may not be the big decision. But what can you do today to start giving value toward an area that you feel passionate about and that makes you come alive and that you're curious about. And start educating yourself as well in whatever area that is. And yeah, that's all I got there.

I think this is a great question, and if you compare it to the last one, It's along the same lines, but here's a specific question, right? So it arms Rishi and I with the ability to be able to hopefully help you because we have a little bit more context about what's— what you're going through, what's important to you. In terms of starting a business, I'd be thinking about why you want to start a business. What are you really searching for? I don't know, wanting to start a business is enough. You want to, you want to make an impact somewhere, right? Like, if you're just attracted to, I want to start a business because I can get rich, because I always knew I'd have a lot of money, and you look at how people make money and it's, you know, the richest people, a lot of them are just entrepreneurs and that's the reason. Well, that's not, it's not a great reason. You look at the most successful entrepreneurs in the world they wanted to make a difference somehow. They had a vision for something. Like, that's where it starts, much more than I want to be an entrepreneur. So that's what I'll be looking for. Yeah, just got a kill. I'd examine for anything, like, you know, you want to You want to get married, you want to, you know, hopefully you're doing it because you love the person, not because, you know, they have rich parents and you're hoping for a great inheritance, you know. Well, it's along the same lines, like, how do I get rich, right? How do I make a lot of money? Okay, entrepreneurship, perfect. What business do I start? Any business. That's the danger that you want to avoid. You want to do a business because you're passionate about the industry that you're going into. If you don't have a passion, you don't know what it is yet, then it's exploring, exploring, exploring, exploring until you find something that just makes you light up, that it's like, man, this is it. You know, something that you want to pour a ton of love and effort and heart into, even if you weren't making a lot of money. I kept doing those things at the YMCA. I wasn't making anything, but I just, I loved it. And that's what you'll find from a lot of them. Yes, you need a business model. Yes, you know, you have to make money, but money is never the most important thing for any successful entrepreneur that we've profiled. Or that I know of. And so it's finding that thing— oh, they surrendered! All right, good game. Finding that thing that is more important than money for you and going in on that, that's where a business idea will come from. And in terms of investing, it's just doing the research. We won. I didn't really do much that game. I had one kill. That's it. All right, well, good times. J-Rise, how did he do? 2 kills. I had 1. So decent, decent game. I got asked yesterday by a friend of mine in the salsa world, can you recommend a book for me for investment or personal finance for beginners? And it's a hard one for me because I've had such an interest in it. Over time. Like, I thought I was gonna be a banker, right? I thought that was what I was gonna do. And so I know a lot of this stuff that I'm not really reading beginner books on the topic. So I had a hard time recommending it. I said, if you want to check one out, look at Tony's new one. But I haven't read it. It's just I'm a fan of Tony's content, and if he's tackling personal finance, There's probably some nuggets in there for you. But it's just learning. But again, why? Why are you trying to invest? And just because you want to make a ton of money? Like, find something more important. Find something that you're passionate about that then you can pour your love into that will provide value to people and you'll make even more money. That's what I got.

Evan, can you speak a little bit to like why now? I mean, I can guess, but I'm curious to hear what you have to say. Like clearly part of this desire for entrepreneurship comes from, you know, pop culture because I think that's partly why people go, oh, I just want to be an entrepreneur because I know— and I'm not saying this is what the question was about, but Some people pursue the entrepreneurship because they're just like, oh, I just want to work from home. I just want to— I want to make a lot of money because that's how it's sold a lot of the times. But like you were saying, like the, the real passionate entrepreneurs are the people who just like, whether it's popular or not, they want to just change the world. So when did this start, this idea of like pop, pop entrepreneurship? And I might be asking a very loaded question. Now, so it might be for another time, but just kind of curious, like, when did it suddenly become so cool to be an entrepreneur?

Yeah, well, I mean, I think that's just— backing up, I think it's just part of human nature, right? You see, you see people having success and you're like, oh, I want that, and it's not necessarily what you actually want. You know, you see a singer going off and doing well, go, I want to sing, but you don't actually want to sing. You want the celebrity and the fame, but you don't want to do the work of practicing and singing. And so, you know, you're a mediocre singer, you're never going to get there. With entrepreneurship, I think honestly, I think this, you know, making it more fad or popular, I think it came with Facebook. I think it came with Zuckerberg. I think seeing this young tech guy making it Just here's this young person who's, you know, multi-billionaire on top of the world. It just seems like it's way more accessible. Like the people who are telling us we can't be successful, you know, work for a company for 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, and then, then you're— then you've made it. And not that Zuckerberg was really He's not really a lightning rod of controversy. He's not saying like, stick it to the old people, or, you know, anything like that. He's, he's, he's, he's, uh, especially in the early days, he was a super boring interview. But I think just seeing this young person on top of the world inspired a lot of people to want to go off and do their own thing. And they want to be on the COVID of Time magazine, and they want to be be worth a billion dollars, but they don't want to do the work of building a Facebook. So you're like, you're attracted for the wrong reasons. So if I had to pinpoint it, that's where I would put it.

Interesting.

Yeah, because entrepreneurship has always been there. You might look at a, you know, Bill Gates or whoever it is. But they were always, you know, especially the older entrepreneurs, they were older, you know, people who had success where it's not like somebody who's 18 can look at that person, can't look at, you know, any of the entrepreneurs of the past and say, that person's like me. Well, here's this university kid killing it. So even like, I mean, Jobs was in his 20s, but I think just how easy the message was to spread and how much attention Zuckerberg got and how quickly Facebook grew was just a sign that, hey, maybe I could do it too. And the whole ecosystem around it, like He was the biggest, but then a ton of other people came with him too. And it's great, like it's never been easier to be an entrepreneur, it's never been easier to have success, it's never been easier to have the impact from a young age. Like the things that are holding us back, uh, today versus what used to be in the way is ridiculously small. But that doesn't mean that you should be an entrepreneur. Making— wanting to be rich is the worst reason in the world to be an entrepreneur. And I get it, and I get it, and people look at the magazines, and right, it's like, okay, I'm gonna look at the wealthiest people in the world. How did they get there? Most, most of them are— it's either inherited wealth or they're self-made through starting a business. You don't get to be rich by working for somebody else, typically. And then people go in and look at the Inc. magazine of the hottest 100 companies in the country, best industries to get into, and you know, whatever that is, I'm gonna go do that because that's how I make money. Great, so virtual reality is at the top of the list, okay. You know nothing about virtual reality, maybe you don't care about virtual reality, right? If that's you, the answer isn't go learn about virtual reality. The answer is go do something else that you are passionate about because there's an opportunity in there to not just make a lot of money but have a huge impact and enjoy the process and enjoy the work that you're doing and touch people's lives in addition to making a lot of money. That's what I got.

Fascinating.

All right, well, it's a fast day. I'm grateful for the speedy victory, although I wish I had more of an impact. Tier. But at least I got a kill, so I'm grateful for that. I did something. I did one thing. Cool. What is the— how are we ending off, Rishi? What's the Rishi message of the day?

Well, I think just, you know, what would you do? I love this message. What would you do if you were never gonna get paid for it? You know, what would you do, work hard toward, and just lose sleep over even if no one was paying you for it. That's a good place to start for any of us.

I love it. Good food for thought. Well, thank you guys for joining me, uh, and Rishi and J-Rise. It's great to see a victory. We will be back tomorrow morning to close the week strong, hopefully. I think this is— this is a streak, guys. This is 2 games in a row. We've started a little mini streak happening here. Pretty exciting. That's it. Have an awesome close to the week. Continue to believe and rise and cup, or whatever your one word is, and we'll see you soon.