How to Transform Your Leadership Mindset | League of Legends Story

Evan Carmichael and Rishi Kupp answer business questions while playing League of Legends, using champion selection as a metaphor for choosing work that fits your strengths. They cover starting an import-export business with minimal capital, investing as a young person in index funds, and overcoming self-doubt as a teenage programmer through gratitude and personal responsibility.
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Welcome everybody to another business Q&A as I play League of Legends and answer your business questions. Super excited to be here again. I've got Rishi Kupp with me in the house. Rishi, welcome aboard.
Thank you, Evan. Good morning, everybody.
Good morning. Doing well? Is the silliness gone?
I don't know. It's just kind of always here and being that you just did a gratitude stream, you and Alex, you brought up the energy level so we'll see what happens.
All right, yes, we did a gratitude stream. It's Alex's birthday. He made me this awesome breakfast that I'm gonna have to chow into.
Are you a big breakfast eater? I know like Nina makes you granola and like all kinds of fabulous stuff, but do you, do you typically eat big breakfast or just smaller breakfast?
Uh, I usually don't eat a huge breakfast. Uh, actually, it's funny because Nina left me 2 hard-boiled eggs that she made too, so I'm gonna be chowing down on the eggs today. I need my extra protein to help entrepreneurs. I actually honestly, uh, I usually have like my, my 5 drinks in the morning.
Uh, oh yeah.
And then, and then forget to eat until about 1 o'clock. And then, and then Nina usually writes to me, he's like, how, how was lunch or breakfast? Like, oh, uh, I haven't eaten yet. And then I go grab something. I get lost in what I'm doing. I get lost.
Like, yeah.
And I'm, I'm I have like a 15-minute break in between, uh, you know, 3-hour chunks of work. And, uh, usually I'm like going to the bathroom or I'm thinking, uh, and I just forget to eat. So the reminders are good. Uh, and having food right in front of me, I'll eat it. If there's food in front of me, I'll eat it. But, uh, to go to the fridge or whatever and pick it up, I, uh, I, yeah. Anyway. But I'm grateful. I'm grateful for all of this, uh, amazing food that I get to eat and the people who care about me, so that's awesome. Oh, I'm playing mid. Okay, I'm playing mid. I was about to— ah, I had a story planned today about why I play Teemo.
Oh cool, tell.
But now I have to play Heimer because I'm mid. Uh, I could still tell the story. I was thinking about it today. So one of the things I think about League of Legends, a lot of people think that it's not related— oh, let me ban a champion here. Ben, yes. You know, people saying it's a waste of time playing games. One of the things that I found is increased self-awareness that I really appreciate because one of the things that you have to do is within League there are, you know, a couple hundred champions that you could play. And when you first get into it, you don't know who to play and you don't know, you know, what you're supposed to be doing. And you need to pick a champion that fits your personality. And so I found that I really like strategic champions, things where you think more instead of having to be mechanically skilled. So there are some people who can move their fingers on their mouse, you know, 1,000 miles an hour and can get the exact combinations out super quick. That's not me. I could do that if I practiced enough, but we play once a day. The people who are playing 8 hours a day are the ones who can get really skilled at that, just like anything else. But strategy is something that I'm naturally good at. And so I would have more success with the champion that has a strategy component to it or is highly, you know, strategy-oriented instead of the mechanical skills. And I started playing Teemo because, as you guys can see, I guess, when you watch, you kind of figure out what we're doing. It's a 5 versus 5 game and you're trying to destroy the enemy base. And a lot of the map is dark. You don't know where anybody else is, um, and one of the biggest problems in the lower, uh, tiers of the game is people don't create vision. Um, so you can buy these things that show you parts of the map, and when you have vision, then it allows you to see when people are coming, allows you to make escapes, allows you to not get killed. And I was upset that nobody on my team was getting vision. And Teemo has vision built into his kit. Oh, Master Yi, they picked a Master Yi. So one of his abilities is to drop a mushroom and the mushroom gives you vision. And so I started playing him because I liked the ability to see what was going on before I go and make the move.
Interesting.
And so that's why I picked him, and then I learned to love him a lot more. I'm actually playing Heimer in this game, again a champion that is way more strategic than mechanics. Um, did I do well my last Heimer? I think it was okay, right? I think it's been a while since I last played Heimer.
You usually always do well with Heimer.
I feel like it's been a while since I played him, and the last game I was a little rusty, but I think we, I think we won. Anyway, so, so I typically do well with strategic things, and in helping people who've started playing the game and they ask, well, what champion should I play? What's the best champion, right? What's the best champion to go out and play? Who's the most powerful? Well, there is no one most powerful champion, just like there's no one most powerful business to start. The right answer is the one that's right for you. So what kind of person are you? Because if you play somebody who is not suitable to your personality, you're not going to have success. Um, so I'm appreciative of the self-awareness that I've gained by, um, by playing the game. Um, one minor adaptation I've made for most of this stream, I've been playing a carry Teemo jungle style What that means is the burden is on my shoulders to win the game. I'm taking— well, I'm taking a lot of the resources, I'm pushing hard, and if you look at my scores, they're like 15 kills and 4 deaths or something. It's always massively in favor of me, but then my teammates are always dying, right? Jay and I do well and the team's always feeding. And we end up losing, especially recently. We had a good streak for a while. And so yesterday I tried a different style that actually didn't work out, but I'm not done with the experiment of just being a more supportive player, of trying to do things to get my team ahead, where if I see an opportunity to do something myself and take a, you know, take a kill or take an objective, then I will. But my main priority is getting out there and trying to set up opportunities for my team to be successful. Now, it didn't really work out all that great because we lost yesterday, and I had a bad score. So I'm not a bad score, just not my usual, like, I'm gonna carry this, I'm gonna carry this, this thing. I think it's also kind of reflective of my growth as an entrepreneur, where at the start I was doing everything myself. And I will just, I will just carry this, I will just do everything, um, and then relying more on the team and saying, hey, how can I support you and build you guys up? Um, and so I'm trying to find the balance. So we'll see. I was hoping to have a good Teemo game here today and continue that experiment and see what happened, but we're Heimer mid. And so, uh, if you guys are watching here, I placed these turrets down and these things do most of the attacking for me. And so all that I need to think about is where I put them down. So it's much more strategic. And the thing that, you know, I've worked with a couple of League of Legends coaches and people who are experts at the game, and they'll— they— that's— it's the part that's missing. It's the same thing about teaching people, you know, what, what home business should I start? What's the hottest thing for 2016, 2017, nobody asked me, well, what kind of person are you? What do you like doing? Right? They just say, well, this person is really strong, this is a great idea. Oh, I just took a tower shot. And so there's a lot of parallels. It's parallels for everything. Doing things that suit your personality, and when you understand your personality better, And it was on me to explain, I want— I like strategy. Yes, I can learn the specifics, I can learn the mechanics, but I'm naturally good at strategy and I love it. So give me something where I can be more strategic and embrace the thing that I'm good at and enjoy doing. Anyway, so that's my story time.
I love that. I love that.
Cool.
So I guess today what's in your cup is a cup of strategy.
Yeah, we didn't do our usual all this stuff. We just started playing. I got too excited about telling my story. Okay, so what do we have? We need the what's in the cup. What's in Rishi's cup today? Let's go backwards.
Everybody's excited about your story. It was like all the little children were gathering around for for Evan's story time. That's what everybody would—
I want to say bedtime story, but we're not going to bed, so it's more of a good morning story, wake-up story. Okay, okay.
Oh gosh, yeah, um, I'm just a couple— I got a couple of love for everybody in the live chat. I'll shout you guys out because we didn't do that, I don't think. Yes, please shout out to OptiSource Book. Thanks for coming back. SoulForge2453. We got of course Rise Online in the game, and Zaino, and Last Minute Louie is back as well.
Last Minute Louie, you need to join us in a game. Come on, man. Last Minute Louie, stop just being a spectator. What's the word? Not just spectator, it's like a lurker. Lurker. Get in, Louie. Louie can play. Don't lurk, Louie. We gotta bring you in on a game. I'm seeing Louie tonight, so I can give him a kind of extra little hard time. We have Mastermind.
Oh, nice.
Yeah, we want to see— Jerry always wants to see your, uh, what's, what's the new champ that he likes to play? I forget what it's called. There's a new person that came out, and apparently Louie likes to play him. So, right guys in the chat, do you want to see Last Minute Louie join us in a game? Everybody say, I know Start spamming, yes, Louie.
All right, cool. Yeah, this is a lesson we believe teams don't want. Rise to Blood is here with my playing style.
It's all good, man. This— it's only love. We want to see it happen.
All right, awesome. All right. So let's get on to the questions.
Let's do it. What do we got?
First question— first question today comes from Raj. Raj says, hey Evan, I'm a student doing my SYBMS and I have set my mind to start a business in import and export. So for that, what should I do? Where do I start? "Who should I get all knowledge about? Import-export business." All right. Well, I certainly am not familiar with the nuances of import-export business, but I will tell you, Raj, that there is— I found an entrepreneur has an actual startup guide. For a fairly low price that you might be interested in checking out. It's called Start Your Own Import/Export Business. And so it's a startup guide. So I'm imagining that it has a lot of information on how to get started and the things that you need to be thinking about. And I hope that helps.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE] You know, I'm not the import-export guy. It's not the businesses that I've built. So most of my advice is the typical advice of making sure that you use the product, making sure that you have a passion for it, testing it out small before going out and investing tons of money into— oh, almost got a kill, very sad. Testing out small, like a lot of people who are who are in import-export, you know, you got to buy big quantities to make it work, right? You got to buy containers full. And if you don't have money, you want to be careful, very careful before you go out and buy a container full of something and then it doesn't work out. And then I'd just be looking to— like, most of it is just mindset and general principles. For specifics of import-export, you know, you have an amazing thing called Google, right? Like, you can look up most of the stuff that will help you give the specifics of what are the tax laws to bring in, you know, this specific product and all the other kind of how-to questions just for that industry. But whoa, what's he doing, this guy? Playing aggressive on me. Oh, that's why, because Master Yi is coming. Very sad. I'm being attacked. Oh! Almost got a kill, very sad. Anyway, um, yeah. Like, plan it out. I'm just— usually I'm just especially concerned about you spending too much money. Because it's not— you have to buy quantities. So figure out a way to minimize your cost and test out products, see if it's going to be a fit. And then all the minor things, the minutia of like tax laws and customs and all that stuff, you can figure out. I would also look like, can— is there a way to do a pre-order campaign to see if people really want what you're doing? Or can you just buy a few even at a much higher price where you're not making any margin on it just to test, get some feedback, see if it's a fit? And then model success. Find people who've done it. I'm trying to think, do we have anybody on our— on the entrepreneurs that we profiled that are prominent import-export people? There might be, but again, the advice that we profile is not specific just to the industry, it's more general success. So yeah, that's my thought. This guy's playing really aggressive. What's happening here?
I'm pretty sure you have someone in import/export on your channel at this point. Be fun to— that's something I'm going to now go try to find out.
I just got a kill! Nice! Almost 2 kills. All right, yeah, I'm trying to think of who, who it might be. No one specifically comes to mind, but you can find it. Like, look up who are the biggest import-export companies. How I started my first well, I didn't start the business, but in my first company that I joined, I was selling software and I just figured, okay, I'm not the first guy to do this. That this was the turning point in my company, realizing that I'm not the first guy to do this and somebody else has figured this out, and who can I model? And it ended up being Bill Gates, um, and that really, you know, helped me with what I was doing. So whoever it is that's big in the industry, go and research their success. There's interviews, there's books, there's documentaries, there's videos. Learn from those stories so you don't make the same mistakes and you get there faster. Good luck. That's what I got.
Alright. Alright. Next question comes from— Leah, oh, yep, Leah, sorry, Leah Ongchonga. Leah asks, hello Evan, thank you for finding time to reply. I'm a 28-year-old from Kenya, and I have two main questions that I would like you to guide me through. Number one, how do I know what I'm passionate about? The one thing that brings a smile and joy to my heart is helping people. Let's start with that one first, and then I'll get to the— unless you want— do you want the second one now too, Evan Carmichael?
If it's relevant, up to you.
It's unrelated, but— Okay. How do I invest my money wisely? At the moment, I can afford to save like $500 of my salary. Instead of letting this cash sit lying around in the bank, what can I do with it to get return. Okay, so first question is about how can she figure out what she's passionate about, and she's really passionate, she feels like what she does know is she likes to help people. Yeah, I think that, I mean, again, kind of like shameless plug for the book, When you kind of discover that one word, that core value of who you are and the value that you bring, in this context, like Evan's one word is believe. And so no matter what Evan does, it's coming with the extreme belief and motivation and confidence to know that you can do it no matter what you're doing. So all of us have that thing that we bring to any situation no matter what. And it kind of goes back to your earlier point, Evan, which now I can't remember, but we were talking about something and I'm trying to think, maybe it was in the gratitude stream, but it's just like Whoever you are. Oh, right. It was Alex. He was talking about how much he absolutely adores his current position, and he's doing his dream job. And so I think that— I don't know that he could have planned, you know, I'm going to be working at TDS with this, you know, great team. I don't know that he could have predicted that part. But he sounds like he made some decisions more based on some core values and, you know, and found an alignment with himself that was able to then be contributed to what he's doing now, and it's bringing massive fulfillment and meaningful work. And I know I I basically feel the same way about what I'm doing on YouTube, and it's because I've made decisions more about my kind of core values than anything else. So I think it's, it's more important to focus on the fact that you like to help people and realize that there's a multitude of ways that that could be applied. And when opportunities come, no matter what they are, it may not be that you get that perfect dream job right away, or maybe you started a business and you don't fully have it all realized yet, but start by putting the value first, your values first, and not compromising on those, because then you can bring that to anything that you do. And I think you'll find a that much more fulfillment in whatever it is you're doing. So I don't know that we can tell you is basically the bottom line. Like, we can't tell you what that passion is, but if you know you like to help people, that can be applied to so many things. And, and I would just go with the first, you know, what's the first thing you want to, want to test and try and experiment and be passionate about helping people there. And I think one thing leads to another, leads to another, leads to another.
Very cool. Yeah, I think that, I mean, the good news is the foundation of success in, in, well, business and in a lot of things is this value. And so if you're making somebody, if you're helping somebody, that's what you're doing. You're providing value. And that the part, the fact that that's kind of already built into your, like, you've realized that it's built into your DNA, you've, you're, you've accepted that you're excited to do things to help, that's a great start. To Rishi's point about self-awareness, I think yes, the book can definitely help. But also to my point about the— at the top, talking about why I picked Teemo, there's a ton of options out there, right? There's 200+ champs on League. There's an infinite number of businesses that you could start. And having that self-awareness can help you make a better decision from the start. But then also experimenting and trying, like, oh, this, this might look good, like, I'd love to help this person in this way, let's try it out and see. Do you want to do it again? You know, when you don't know what to do, you have to explore, you got to try, you got to see, and don't put so much pressure on this having to be the perfect thing that, you know, has to be your next thing. Um, do it in small starts, right? Instead of like one big push and this has to be it, you can do it as trying 10 different things once and see, like, if your thing is about helping people, then did the work you do put the smile on the person's face? That you really wanted, you know. Um, you know, when I play, when I play League, I told this story before, uh, I love feeling like I have an impact. And there was a game that J-Rise and I were playing where we were just killing everybody, but, but it was all my team. I wasn't doing anything. So I was kind of like secretly hoping my team would die a little bit. Just so that I could come back and we wouldn't lose, but I wanted to have more of an impact. Like, if I kept being someone who's like impact-driven, if I feel like I'm not having an impact, then I'm gonna— like, if I was playing League and I wasn't having an impact, if I was making YouTube videos and I wasn't having an impact, you know, I probably would stop, you know, go do something else where I would feel like I was having an impact. And so I think that's important for me. So it's figuring out for you what's super important. What are the activities that you do? And you probably have some ideas now, like you like helping people. Great. Where did that come from? Who were you helping before, right? It comes from a place of you having experience helping people. So being able to do that like consistently, you already probably have some ideas that may work for you. So that's a great place to start. And then— whoa, we're going to get it. Nice. We got Dragon. And then continue to explore and experiment until you find the thing. You're starting from a great place. So it's just a matter of taking some action.
Apparently.
Yeah. And the second part was about investing.
Yes, yes, and I just got to say something, Evan, as you were talking. I got so much love in the chat, people saying, saying, "Do you know how pumped up all of you make me feel?" About just kind of Believe Nation and hanging out, and then we got a bunch of people saying, "I feel that too. This community has done so much for me in a short time." Yeah, it's amazing. So just wanted to encourage you with that, Evan, that being a part of the community is really making an impact.
I love it. Yeah, I mean, that's why I do it too. I'm helping you guys through the way that I know how to help best, right? And that makes me feel good. And so, you know, you guys, if you find the thing that makes you feel good, then you want to stay there as long as possible.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so next question is about just basically some money management, and she's basically saying that she has $500 from her salary that she can do something with, and she's kind of just wondering some feedback from you. How can I get returns? you know, I guess it's an investment question. And I'll be brief in saying that I know that there are absolutely lots of different opportunities for, you know, long-term investment options. And that— so I won't go into a lot of detail because I think probably the best thing would be to sit down with an advisor or someone and talk about all the details of that, assuming you've kind of done the basics of like, you know, make sure you have your savings and you've taken care of all of the other things. But yeah, if you're in a place where you are able to invest, I would just say, you know, diversification is something that I've learned a lot about, like whatever you do, Don't invest everything into one thing. Make sure that you look into different options so that you can kind of spread it out. It's a lower risk investment plan. So Evan, do you have any wisdom on this?
Yeah, so this is what I went to school for. This is what I thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to be like a banker, investment banker, stockbroker, that kind of thing. I loved it. It was, you know, what I really thought I was going to do with my life. And then what happened was I realized that if you look at the stats, most people, most investment bankers, most— not investment bankers, but most of the financial advisors lose you money. Most of the people who make mortgage— who, um, who invest in the mutual funds, like, mutual funds is a, is a losing game, um, compared to the market, compared to how well the market is doing. The ones that are managed, uh, like 90% of them lose money compared to what— not lose money overall, but lose money compared to what the market's making. So you're better off just investing in the market, like you buy an index fund, than doing— going with an advisor or going with a mutual fund. The most important thing that you need to figure out is, like, the most important thing where an advisor can help is going to be with your— it's called asset allocation. Basically means how much money you're going to put in stocks, how much money you're going to put into bonds, safer things, and it usually depends on how old you are and how quickly you need the money. You know, if you're getting close to retirement and you may need that money pretty soon, you don't put it all into stocks because the stock market may go down and then you're kind of screwed, which obviously is a big problem. But if you don't need the money, you know, let's say a 7-year period, the best thing to do is invest more in the stocks. Because overall stocks will go up way, way, way, way, way more than bonds or other opportunities. So she was young, right? 20-something?
Yeah, 28.
Okay, so if you don't need the money immediately, then stocks would be your best bet. Still might be worth sitting down with someone to explain it. But if you're looking at what to invest in, I would honestly just buy an index fund. I don't give out a lot of investment advice on the channel. But, but I, you know, I hate it when people are being ripped off and are doing something that they, you know, they have a raw deal, and mutual funds are a raw deal, and it bothers me. So you will make more money and have more safety and security just buying the index, buying index funds. So buy— what country was she in?
Kenya.
Kenya. So I don't know if there's a— I don't know if you want to buy a Kenyan fund or if you want to like how much you, you know, believe in the country, or if you want to buy a North American fund. But basically, you buy the index, you're buying the whole market, you're buying every stock, and it's automatically adjusted. So there's nobody managing it because you're buying everything. So it's the ultimate diversification, uh, and nobody's like— this is such a— there's a management fee that is super tiny, um, Ooh, we're gonna get a kill. Oh, we got a kill, but I wasted my spell on it. Not cool. Anyway, I don't know if all that made sense. It can be complicated to get your head around the first time, but an index fund is basically buying the whole market, buying every stock, and it doesn't have to be managed by somebody. And so you're not paying management fees. Where you lose is in the management fees. They take a percentage of how much— here's what happens. They take a percentage of how much your portfolio is worth, whether they made money or not. So if they made you money, they take a percentage. If they lost you money, they still take your percentage. So it's, it's, uh, It's great for them, and I think a lot of people have been kind of sucked into it because there's a lot of fear and insecurity around starting, uh, you know, investing. They don't know what they're doing, right? So it bothers me. Yeah, thank you for the opportunity to go on a little rant there, something I don't usually talk a lot about.
Well, honestly, Evan, it's interesting because, well, number one, I appreciate hearing you talk about it because I think it is hugely valuable. And also, it's like one of those things where we don't— there's a lot of people who just don't have the basic knowledge. And so I really— I don't know. I really— I don't know if you ever want to do a series on this. It sounds like there's a reason you just haven't done it, but I think it would be awesome to hear more on that.
But well, it's basically like I was— I— this is what I wanted to do, and then I realized the entire industry is just a scam. Like, the whole mutual fund industry is just people taking— like, it's better than you trying to go out and pick the individual stocks. But it's nowhere near as good as you being able to just buy the whole index fund. And the fact that they lose money— you have something that's being like— I'm trying to explain it properly because it's important, and, and I'm in-game, so I'm trying to do it as eloquently as possible while not feeding here. Yeah, but these are people who There's, there's almost nobody who's consistently beaten the market every year. It's like less than 1% of people can beat the market every year. So all these mutual fund managers are doing worse— not every year, but on, on average, they do worse than the market. So these experts who are saying, I'm gonna invest your money, I'm are making less money than the stock market is making on average, and they're charging you for it. It's just like going with the real estate agent to say, you know, I will make you less money than what your house should sell for, and I'm going to take a cut of it. That's the mutual fund industry, and it bothers me. It bothers me so much because I wanted to get in. I was going to be that guy. I wanted to be in that industry, and then I realized there's no value exchange here.
Wow. Isn't this why Tony Robbins also wrote that his new book, Money Master the Game, because part of it is debunking how much people are getting ripped off? Yeah.
Yeah, it might be. I mean, I haven't read the book, so I don't know. You know, I might be—
I think you guys sound like you resonate. I think you're resonating a lot with what he's saying. I think he wrote the book because he realized how much people were just getting completely screwed. Yeah, so, and a lot of it deals with investments and that kind of thing. So it might be a book too that that she wants to check out too as another way to get more education on kind of avoiding being taken advantage of.
Yeah, and never, like, if you have extra money, never just invest because you think it's a good opportunity. Like, don't make mistakes with your money. If you don't know, if you have no idea what to do, then just leave it in the bank. It'll be better than putting it into something that you you know, a friend says, here's this hot opportunity, you know, and then you end up losing all your money. So, wow, cool.
You heard it, you heard it here first. I think this is the first Evan investment rant that you can find on your channel, right?
Uh, maybe. I don't know if I've gone— I don't know if I've gotten that, uh, deep on it, but before, but yeah, maybe.
Nice. All right, how's this game going?
The game is not going well. We're 11 and 25. I'm doing okay, but yeah, it seems to be like a trend with team feeding, so I've got to play a better supportive role. It's harder with Heimer. But yeah, I've got to support my team better so they don't lose.
All right.
Yeah.
So next question is coming.
All right.
From Fred. Pradnesh. Pradnesh.
Pradnesh.
And Pradnesh, yeah, Pradnesh says, first of all, I got to know you from YouTube and your videos are really good and motivating. Thank you for that. Now on to my point. The reason I wanted help, because my life is heading nowhere. I don't know what's going on with my life and going on with me in my life. I am so depressed that I can't even think about what. Should be the next plan. I just don't want to waste my life. I want to make something of it. I can't even figure out what's my talent. I feel like I'm of no use. World is changing, everyone around me is progressing, and I'm just where I was before, and I think this is not good. I want to be a programmer, but you know, the worst part of it is that nobody supports, and it's just because of my age. I'm 16 years of age, And they say concentrate on high school first, then do, and then do it. I just need someone who can understand my conditions and problems. Literally no one supports me and I feel like I'm left behind. I just don't want to crush up my dreams. I need help. I've wasted 6 months so far and I just don't want to waste any more time. I want to be great and successful. Can you please help?
Cool.
All right. Yeah, I feel sad, Evan, because it just feels like there's a lot of people who are especially young, young people who, who already feel like they have the weight of the world on them. And not that, not that you should be more stressed out and burdened down when you're older, but like It seems like, you know, even the young ones are feeling like they're just these extreme failures at life already. I mean, it's like 16 years and you have already concluded that you're left behind when really you have nothing but your life ahead of you. So that's just sad a little bit for me first. And, you know, we don't— I don't think that we do a good enough job supporting young people to feel like, you know, I just feel like we put so much pressure on them so young that that's why they a lot of the times feel already like they're failing, because it's like if they haven't got it all figured out already, they feel like somehow they're missing something. And the truth is that there's people who are in their 50s and 60s who are just getting started. And that's not a bad thing either. I mean, sometimes there's just a process, and I don't think we make it okay for people. And anyway, so I feel like all of this mindset that this 16-year-old had it, has is like unnecessary self-abuse. And it's probably a lot influenced by, you know, maybe the environment and surroundings. So, I guess I just, the main thing I'd want you to know is that, you know, find someone in your, in your— maybe someone at your school or someone who's older, wiser, who can help lead you in a way where you can learn how to be more gentle on yourself. Because this really— this real— I mean, it feels like it's the— it feels like it's this horrible time and you're left behind, but like, it really isn't. And, um, the more you can learn to take that kind of pressure off you, the more actually quick quick you'll get to the place where I think you'll start to see the positive changes that you want to see. Anyway, I don't know, I'm just kind of sad too because I saw yesterday on the news there was like a young— I think it was a 16-year-old or maybe a little younger who just like took their life, and it's just like, man, just really, really, really is it isn't this bad if you can just get the help that you need and support. But I also want to say thank you for reaching out because that actually is part of the progress, is just saying this is where I'm at and I need help. So that's my little spiel for today. Evan, what do you have to say?
I have— I'm of two minds here, and I started my gratitude stream, and I often start the gratitude stream with this thought, where it's good to have perspective. It's good to realize that you're, you know, 16 years old and you have, you know, the fact that you can program or want to program, even know what that is, already puts you ahead of, you know, most of the world. So, you know, and yes, you have your whole life ahead of you And that perspective is really good, and that can save you from going to really dark places, right? Like, if you get too overwhelmed with that, then you might end up, right, being one of those kids on the news, which would really be sad. At the same time, you know, the hunger is good too. Like, the drive to want to do something more, I think, is good too. You just got to balance it. Right? Like, don't just now say, "Well, you know, I should only be grateful and life is great and I'm young and I'll figure it out later." Like, there's tons of people who started, you know, younger than you and have had a lot of success. And so the thirst and the hunger and the drive is good as long as you can— as long as it's not impacting, you know, your health. I want— I desperately want to go out and have a big impact too, man. I think you used the word impact in there. And it really frustrates me that I'm not having a bigger impact. Frustrates me a lot. I feel like I should be doing more. I should be doing better. I should be further ahead than I am. It's a constant thing, but I'm also extremely grateful and happy for where I'm at. So I think striking that balance is important to the point where you want to— we want the drive and hustle. All right, we lost, we lost, very sad. You want the drive and hustle, but not to the point where it's making you do stupid things and it's negatively impacting your health. Um, let me, uh, I've another thought, but let's, let's do a quick recap of how we did. So team lost. I had 2 kills, no deaths. Team had 14 kills and 33 deaths. Wow, pretty crazy. Oh yeah, it's rough, it's rough, it's rough, guys, it's rough. I got to do better, I got to do better. Gotta do better. Anyway, so those two parts I think are important. Equally thirsty and hungry and wanting to go out and do more and get yours, but also grateful and accepting and happy for the things you have in your life so that you don't go off and do something stupid for your health. Yeah. The second— so that first mindset shift I think is really important. The second mindset shift that I would really encourage you to think about is you stop blaming other people, you know, like, take the responsibility. Your parents don't owe you anything, you know, like, your parents are doing what they think is best for you, and, you know, it's great that you have parents, period, because a lot of people don't. But if you want your dream, then you have to go out and do it. And if that maybe means you're doing it part-time or on the side while you're doing your school, find a way. How, you know, when I was in, when I was in grade school, I was out hustling baseball cards, right? I was out going to trade shows and doing garage sales. And I didn't, I didn't have as big a vision for, you know, what I wanted to be. I also wasn't 16 at the time, I was younger, but If you want something, it's on you to go out and do it. You need help? Great, go out and get the help. Stop blaming other people. Stop expecting others to give you stuff. You know, if your parents aren't helping you, don't expect them to. Right? The white knight is not coming to save you. This is on you to go out and make your dreams happen. So, Maybe you spend an extra hour instead of being on Snapchat, you're off learning the code. I did tons of work in the evenings and weekends and part-time while I still studied, and I went to university too, and I got solid grades and did my business on the side, right? Like, you can do it. You just got to hustle and stop blaming others. I never expected my parents to give me money to start my business or make it. In fact, I didn't want it. Like, I didn't want my parents to introduce me to people or to make sales or contacts. I wanted to feel like I did it myself. When there were opportunities where they could have, and I just didn't ask and I didn't tell them because I wanted to prove it on my own that I got this myself, not because my mom made a phone call for me. So I hear the cry for help. I love it. I love that you're reaching out to me and maybe to others and trying to, you know, get knowledge and invest in yourself. It's great. But stop blaming other people. And doing that lifts the burden too. Because you've set these expectations for how your parents should treat you and your teachers should treat you and your friends should treat you. It's not their job to make your business and your dreams happen. So stop expecting them to and put it on yourself. I'm gonna go out and make this happen. I don't care what you guys think. It doesn't have to be rude, it doesn't have to be condescending. Just that mindset shift is important, right? Like I've talked about on the stream before, you know, who wins the presidential election doesn't matter. I'm gonna go out and get mine. What my parents think about my business, or my friends, or people around me, I don't care. I'm still gonna go out and get mine. If it's your dream, it's on you to go out and do it. So that's the hard side, but it's also liberating.
Yeah, yeah, no, it's good.
It sucks because it means that you have to do more work. 'Cause it'd be great to have everybody helping you, but you have to go out and do the work. But it's also freeing in that you don't expect things from others anymore. You don't expect your parents to give you money or give you praise or make introductions for you or teach you what to do or give you the time or say, "Don't do your homework." Right? And so then balancing that, that's the hard side, and balance that with with the gratitude, with Rishi's awareness around, you know, you're still young, you still have a lot of time. So they don't go off and do something stupid. And it's all out of love, man. I want you to go and do something. I love impact. The way you have impact is you take responsibility for the impact. So go and do it. Do it, do it, do it, do it.
That was awesome.
Okay, that's it. That's the love for the day.
Yes.
Alright, well, another day in the books. Super excited. We have one or two Hangouts coming up today that hopefully we'll see you guys at. Rishi, what's our final message of the day you want to end us with?
Cup of and embrace. The wisdom of the and.
Basey and, we haven't talked about that for a while. Thank you for bringing that back up.
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, and for people who may not be super familiar with that, it's like most people see the world as this or this. I can do this or I can do this. Where the true genius comes from doing, finding a way to do both. Both businesses, integrate them, right? Or whatever. A lot of things in your life that you say, I can do this or I can do this. Find a way to do both. That's where it stretches your creativity. That's where maybe nobody's done that before, and that's where the opportunity is. So thank you for that reminder, Rishi. That's it, guys. Thank you for joining us. Hope you have an awesome day. Maybe we'll see you in a live chat later on. If not, continue to believe, or whatever your one word is, and we'll see you soon.
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