Wayne Dyer on How to Start Over When Everything Falls Apart!

Are you letting fear stop you from starting again?

You don't need all the answers.

You just need to move.

When life falls apart, this radio show reminds you it might be falling into place.

In this radio show episode, Wayne Dyer says losing a job is a wake-up call, not a death sentence.

Illness isn't the end.

It's a chance to grow. He tells you to trust your spirit, not your fear. You're not broken. You're being rebuilt. Special thanks to Hay House for partnering with us to release this content exclusively on my YouTube channel. And if you make it to the end of the video, put a hashtag #believe in the comments below so we can feature you in a future video. Dr. Dyer, welcome of course to your show today.

Thank you, thank you so much. How are you, Summer?

Oh, I'm, I'm well.

Let's take some calls.

You have anybody online?

Oh, you bet.

Of course we do.

What are you kidding?

Let's go to Anna.

She's on line 4 from Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Anna, welcome to Dr. Dyer.

Hello, Dr. Dyer.

Hi, Anna, how are you?

Oh God, you don't know how good it is to speak with you.

Oh, thank you.

Thank you so much. I've been your admirer for years, but now I'm faced with a situation that I would love your input. Um, back in April, my baby sister, which we've been best friends all our lives, she's always looking up to me because she tends to believe that I'm the strong one. She was diagnosed with brain cancer, severe. They'd given her 6 weeks at that time. And of course, being me and having all the faith that I have, I convinced her that the prognosis that they were giving is everybody's prognosis and not her own. That she had to have faith in God to have the power and the strength to live as long as she wants to live on this earth. So we're now in February and she's doing wonderful. She had radiation and she's doing good. By the time that I— I feel her losing her grip and I sometimes, I also lose a little bit of mine. But I have this sense, Dr. Linda, that God sometimes comes to me and says, "Keep on fighting because it's not her time. She has so much yet to go." And I'm always translating that message to her. But sometimes I feel a little bit defeated and I was wondering what could you add up, add on to that for me, please?

No, I think that's, you know, that's one of the harder things to deal with in our lives. But you know what, it's also, it's something that every single person listening, including yourself and myself and everybody on this planet, has to deal with, which is, you know, that we're going to leave this world of form, that, you know, all things, all being comes from non-being. And it is also a return trip that we will return to non-being. So the first thing that I would say to you and to everyone out there listening to this concept is to understand. I remember going to my dear friend, his name was Jack Boland. He was in Detroit and he was a minister at the Church of Today, a Unity minister. He was like a brother to me. And he found out that he was dying and he had cancer throughout his back and on his leg and so on. And he conducted his own funeral.

And he called all the—

this was about 10 days before he died. And he called all of the people who had ever spoken at his church and all of his close friends and myself and so many others. And we all sat there in the front row and listened to him. He was in a wheelchair and he stood up and he gave a talk. And what he said, I've never forgotten. He said, I don't want anyone out there in the audience to feel sorry for me. He said, every single one of you are going to make the exact same journey that I am making, and it's just a question of time. So, and that time isn't to be decided by us any more than our birth is to be decided by us, that is, to be decided by our egos. I think at some higher level we do make those decisions. We decide when to come in and who our parents are going to be. And I think also, in a sense, we, at a higher place, we allow the highest place within us. We allowed the God within us to let go when it is time to let go. And the most important thing I think you can tell your sister and yourself is to get past the whole fear thing about it isn't her time. That isn't for you to decide. That isn't for her to decide. That isn't for me to decide. That's already been decided. That was decided the moment of her conception, and she will leave on time. And so will you, and so will I, and so will Summer, and so will everybody else. This is— we will leave on time. Our egos— we think our egos are in charge. And that we can make this inevitable transformation that we're all going to make, that we can change it, that we can't, you know, that we're the ones that are in charge and we can decide that. But the fact is, if the ego was really in charge, if your ego was the thing that was making all the decisions, then nobody would get old, you know, and nobody would wrinkle and nobody's hair would turn gray or fall out and there would be no age spots appearing on our skin and things like that because, you know, the ego says that's unattractive. But the fact is that the ego is not in charge of any of it. It's all happening, and it's all happening exactly the way it's supposed to happen. And you can get upset about it and worried about it and fearful about it. And until you relax and let go and understand that this journey that you're going to make from being to non-being, that you made once from non-being to being, is the most perfect, joyful experience that you will ever have in your life. And that's what all of the great teachers and teachings, including Abraham and the teachings of Abraham. Then I would say to you, but you know, I think what you are saying to your sister, you've already proven that anybody who says that you have 6 months to live just doesn't understand that the—

No, they've given her 6 weeks, not 6 months.

Oh, 6 weeks. And that was when, last April?

Yes, sir.

And this is now February?

Yes, sir.

And I have another question for you.

When I sense this strong belief that she has so much to go yet, and I try to convince her of that because she trusts everything I say— that's the problem, that's my fear, I'm running up here on that. Am I acting wrong on, on strongly believing that she has a long way to go yet?

Absolutely not. To her, no, you are doing exactly the right thing because you're listening to your own spirit, and your spirit is saying it's not time. And, and I'm in touch with God, and I'm in touch with the knowing, and that knowing is the only thing I can say to you is that I'm going to convey it to you. And no, I think it's absolutely essential that you tell her exactly what you are telling her. But, you know, in the meantime, always be aware that this, this isn't a tragedy. This isn't some horror story that shouldn't be happening. And the fact is that her dharma might be such that she gets very close to dying, and then she has an amazing recovery, and she spends the next 40 or 50 years teaching other people not to be afraid, or, you know, whatever it is that her dharma may be. Or she may just, you know, in her sleep, just decide One night while she's sound asleep, okay, I've had enough and I'm going to just take off this old body like taking off an old pair of shoes and let it go. It's like, you know, the Beatles had it right. It's called Let It Be. Let it be. There will come an answer. Let it be. Just be at peace with that. And then if your inner knowing says that I'm going to convince her and, and you know that basically what you're saying is I don't want her to leave, you know, I'm going to miss her.

I don't want to be that I'm listening to my ego, not my sense. I sense and I feel at peace when I believe in that, so I don't want it to be my ego. And yeah, you understand what I'm trying to say?

It's like, I just— I do understand.

Yeah, I don't want that. I don't want to be speaking and believing out of my own ego. I wanted to believe that it is the way I'm feeling, right?

That's why I would say to you, just let it go. Just let go of all of that. And when you want to be enthusiastic and positive and predictive of all kinds of things and, and remind her I mean, I worked with a little girl up in Toronto not too long ago who was only 16 years old.

I saw the mother when you came to Toronto last time. I was—

oh, did you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, um, and she did pass away. She passed away at age 19. And it wasn't a tragedy, and it wasn't a horror, and it was actually a very beautiful experience. And she was one of the great teachers in my life. I spent an enormous amount of time with her and adored her. And I have a picture of her right on my kitchen table that I look at every single day, and she guides me through so many things. But, um, you know, it's like what we like to say is, well, at 19 she shouldn't have passed away. That's not supposed to happen. It's supposed to happen when you're 106 and you fall asleep, you know, and you just drift off into God's arms. That isn't the way the universe works. You know, everything that, everything that comes into the world that materializes dematerializes. Everything does. Everything. Everything, every, every bug, every stone, every planet, everything. It comes from non-form to form and then back to non-form again, to spirit. We all return to the world of spirit, and it's a perfect journey. And just the more you're at peace with that, the more likely that she will have within her— now we can move again, we could do a whole other talk on the capacity to heal and to reverse. And I always say that it is just as easy for God— we only have a few seconds.

Yes, sir.

It is just as easy for God to heal your sister of whatever it is that is going going on inside of her as it is to heal a hangnail or a little scratch on your arm. And if that's what is supposed to happen, it's going to happen independent of your opinion about it.

All right, but we got to go. We got to go, Anna.

God bless you. Much love to your sister. You might play her back what we just talked about as well.

Yes, sir. Thank you so much.

Thank you. God bless you, Anna. Namaste.

All right, Dr.

Dyer, are you ready to continue with our callers today?

Yes.

I'd love now to speak then with Garsha. Garsha, I hope I'm saying your name right. You're in Clearwater, Florida.

Welcome.

You're on with Dr. Wayne Dyer.

Thank you. Good afternoon. Hi, good afternoon. It's a pleasure and an honor to speak with you.

Thank you.

Uh, just an honor. Garsha, just like—

what is that?

Uh, it's just, it's just Marsha with a G. It's just something that my parents created. And, uh, growing up as I did, I went to a one-room schoolhouse that my father, my uncles had attended. And in the '50s, they created it into two rooms. So I grew up with Marys, Debbies, Susans, and one Rachel. So then there was a Garsha.

That's it. You're the only guy I've ever met.

So far, so far. Um, my question— well, I am, as you were speaking earlier in your show, just like many of us in a situation where trying to find where do we belong, that many of us at my age— I'm 50— and having to reinvent themselves. I have a very diverse background. I was actually in the building business with my family back in the '80s. I did architectural work for my father and was worked with him. My husband got into, and still is into, the film industry, which sounds very illustrious. And if you know anything about the film industry, you know that quite the opposite sometimes. It's very self-employed and never quite very, you know, concrete as to where your next job is coming from.

Yeah, it's also not very romantic. I just, I just made a film.

It's quite an education to see it from the other side. It's 18-20 hour days. It's far from romantic. But during that time when he was getting involved in his career, um, the '80s, much like now, the housing market flatlined and I reinvented myself. And I had a hobby for cooking. He asked me to do a catering job for him for 25 people. I did. And thus one job went to two, and before you know it, 15 years later, the last job that I worked on before I hung up my apron strings was the ABC show Extreme Home Makeover. Where I had the honor of working on that, and we did 400 people, 24 hours for 8 days. I had just retired, and I took a little bit of time off. My daughter was starting college, son was starting high school. Took a little bit of time off, went back into the workplace trying to find my fit, got involved in food sales for a broadline company, and I was good for the job, but the job was not good for me. It was just not where I felt my talents lie. Went into an independent sales position, and thus this, you know, the company folded. So now here I am going, what do I do with myself?

How do you feel about that? I mean, to me, everything that you're describing and the way that you're putting it out there, it's like the conclusion for me is, wow, this is so great. I get another opportunity to, uh, to reinvent myself, to do something that I've never done before. I'm only 50 years old. I mean, I'm, I'm 18 years older than you, and I just reinvented myself and created a movie you know, and became an actor and a film director. I mean, working. And so when I think of my, uh, one of my dearest friends and the lady who signs my paychecks for a lot of things that I do, Louise Hay, I mean, she started a publishing house at the age of 61, which is now the largest publishing house in the world for spiritual and higher consciousness materials. It's like there's this whole saying that says you can wake up in the morning, you can say, good morning, God. Or you can wake up in the morning and say, good God, morning, you know. It's like— and what I would be thinking in terms would be, okay, I've done the sales business, I've done, uh, you know, I was, you know, I worked with my husband or whatever it was in the film industry, I've become a caterer, I've done all of these kind of things, and now maybe I'll tell my story, or, um, you know, maybe I'll use the internet to create a whole new way of being. I don't know what— I mean, I could give you endless suggestions for what your hobbies are, and we could talk about all of that, but the fact is that all you have to do Garsha, is to go into your imagination and create for yourself in your mind as if it were already completed a wondrous opportunity to be serving, just to be serving, to be offering your services, your talents, whatever it is. And then go to within yourself in your imagination, go to that feeling and feel what it feels like in your body to know that you are serving and doing well and making a living. And but more than anything you're reaching out and helping other people and get that feeling. Then every time you have the worry about reinventing yourself or what's going to happen or what this lousy economy is or whatever it is, you instead go right to your imagination, go to the feeling. You do that instantaneously and you just say that I feel great, I feel great about that. And you go off to sleep at night doing this. You know, you spend the last 5 minutes of your day just reviewing what you imagine your life to be, understanding that creation is already complete and whatever it is that you intend to manifest is already here. And stay there, stay in that feeling state. and you'll just be guided. It'll be, it'll be another great adventure. You sound like such a bright, intelligent woman. I don't know why, but something about writing just seems to just, um, you know, you just, you express yourself beautifully. So it's either in speaking or in writing that I think, uh, you know, something there is going to be happening for you. But that's just a little psychic guess, you know.

I greatly appreciate your insight because I feel as if I'm treading water and I need to find a direction that I can swim towards. And I do have a very diverse background, but trying to put it into Now where do I belong in the mainstream? And it's just difficult, you know. So we continue to look, and I try to embrace very much— I've always considered myself very spiritual and positive thinking, but yet we fall back onto the doldrums. You see the bills piling and the piggy bank going down. So I'm trying to let it go and just surrender all my fears and worries and just let it go.

That's important, because I hear a lot of fear, and one of the things that you said that concerns me, which is It's going to be difficult, or it's very difficult. The minute that you say something is going to be difficult, you've come up with one of these excuses. And then let me just ask you this, Garsha. Can you be 100% certain that this is going to be difficult? Can you be 100% certain that it's going to be difficult?

Maybe a little.

Okay, but 100%? Is there 1% chance that it won't be?

There's that 1% chance. No, we can make it happen.

So now what you have to do— now this is what you have to— this is how you work your mind, you see. I've done a whole paradigm on this, my new book coming out, not till April or May, called Excuses Be Gone. This is the whole thing. So you hear, you have two potential thoughts. One is that it's going to be difficult, which may or may not be true, and the other is that it's going to be easy, which may or may not be true. Okay, now which one would you think you would pick? One that's going to lead you to where you want to be, or one that's going to keep you from getting there? And the thought that will take you to where you want to be is that not only is it going to be easy, but the people, the right people, are going to show up, and the events are going to transpire, and the financing will be there. And everybody listening to the show right now has had an experience of believing, for example, that they're not going to be able to raise the money to be able to do something. And then they come home and there's a check that they unexpectedly found, or some kind of a tax refund came in, or they got an inheritance, or some— the money showed up, and it showed up just sort of unexpectedly. And that's a universal human experience that people have had. And yet we all think that those things are just not possible, and we put our thoughts on on it not working. And that's really the paradigm shift that you want to make. Have you seen the film?

I have not. I have the book, but I have to— not your film, no. I've got the book on secret and power. I will look forward to it. I've got the power of the manifestation, and that's just— we need to change all the energy, right? I will do that, and I will be greatly successful.

There you go.

And why not think that? And then also, and that— but the most important thing of this conversation, Garsha, is the last 5 minutes before you go to sleep. And enter into the world of the subconscious, into your mind, because the subconscious mind cannot distinguish between what you are feeling inside of you that comes from your imagination or what you are feeling that's coming from the experiences that are happening in your life. It can't make that decision. It can't make that distinction, rather. So the last 5 minutes before you go to sleep, and you're going to marinate all night long in your subconscious mind, the feelings you don't want to have, that you've just reviewed all of the things that happened that day or that are happening in your life that are not working, And then you feel what that feels like, which is scared and frightened and it's difficult and so on. And then you— your subconscious mind begins to give you experiences that match up to that. You want instead to go the last 5 minutes to review what we just talked about and have that over and over and over again. And you marinate in that overnight for 8 hours in your subconscious mind, and you will then be given the answers and the provision. And you'll see it showing up, and you're going to see it showing up within 20, 21, or 22 days.

So I look forward to it. It is a complete honor, honor and privilege to have spoken with you. We look Look forward to seeing you in Tampa. Thank you very much.

Namaste.

God bless you.

Thanks a lot, Garsha.

Well, Dr. Dyer, I'm on a roll with choosing interesting names here.

We've got Ita now from Los Angeles calling on line 7.

Ita, welcome to the program.

Hi.

Hi, Ita.

Actually, it's Ida. I-D-A.

Ida? Yeah.

I-D-A.

Oh, okay, like Ida, only Ida.

Okay, I got it.

Exactly, yeah. Thank you for taking my phone call, and I love your movie, Dr. Dyer.

Did you?

Yeah, I did. Actually, I, um, I watched it with my husband and it answered all of his questions.

Really?

Yeah, well, many of them.

I like that, that because more and more men are beginning to, um, you know, get into this movement anyway. And a lot of men who've watched this film have written to me already and told me what an impact that it made on them, and, and they saw themselves in a way that, uh, that other people have seen them but they didn't want to admit to themselves.

Yeah, yeah. And he actually, he's going through having a hard time in his job, and after he saw the movie, he said, well, there is a reason why I'm there, and it's I need to make it a better place. I need to learn to love what I do regardless of whatever is going on around.

There you go.

Well, that's a big, big insight for him to have. That's wonderful.

Yeah, definitely, definitely. Thank you. Thank you for making movies like that, and please keep making more and more. I know it's a lot of work, but I just love it, and we were so looking forward to the opening day, so it was great.

Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Yeah, it was a challenge. It was, but it's against what I've been talking about here. When you surrender and you let go and you know that you'll be guided, you know, I went right through that film, worked 12, 14-hour days and had just a wonderful time. And now I've got something out there that, by the way, we're changing the title of the film in April to The Shift.

Okay.

Ambition to Meaning. Yeah, The Shift. So, okay, what's your question, my dear?

Okay, so, you know, first of all, I spoke with you like 3 years ago when I was just at the beginning stages of my pregnancy. I was like 6 or 7 weeks pregnant. You were the first one to know. I mean, my husband knew, but we had a miscarriage before that and I was really scared and worried. And I spoke with you, I called you on a Monday, and your words were so affirming and it really changed, like shift, you know, my—

I remember this telephone call. I remember your voice too. I remember talking to you just about this.

I was so scared, Dr. Wahl. I cannot even tell you. I was shaking and crying. And you told me, you know, it's not your job to create this human being. It's already, and you just need to let it go and let it be, you know.

That's exactly right. Yeah, we all think that we're in charge of this thing called having babies. And I even think the word birth control is a misnomer. I just think that the creation of life is in the hands of something much greater than all of us. And it's in a tiny little speck. Everything that that baby needs is all handled for You know, just enjoy the miracle and relax. And so how's your baby now?

Thank you. Okay, so, um, and I know your story about Beast Burn, you know, your personal stories. I, I listened to that every day when I was pregnant. Anyway, so my pregnancy was wonderful. I had my daughter, you know, I didn't have any drugs. It was just great, you know. I had a great pregnancy. I enjoyed it, you know. She came to term. The birth was wonderful. And then after she was born I kind of like passed out, like my body shut down. And the doctors were really worried that I wasn't going to come back. And, you know, they cleared out everybody in the birth room. And, you know, my husband was there with my newborn. He thought that, you know, I, that I died. And then I came back. And the doctor's thing that, you know, like I went and met with my doctors and they were like, well, we don't really know what happened. We think that you were just dehydrated or something. I don't know. But now I'm at the point where I feel that we want to start like thinking again of like getting pregnant, but I kind of like afraid of that moment again. Like, I feel the pregnancy and giving birth is such an amazing miracle, and I feel like I need to work on myself. And I'm— I don't know, I just call you to figure out.

Yeah, we just have a few seconds here left, Ida, but— or Ida. But I would suggest again the same thing I said to you before, to just let go. And if it's going to happen, allow it to happen. And that idea of anything to fear, like that you're going to die in childbirth or anything like that, I mean, if that was your dharma and it was something that you signed up for before you even got here, then that's just the way it would be. It's highly unlikely, but whatever it is, just be at peace with it. And if there's another child that comes through you, and it sounds like—

I feel like there is. I think there's a little boy on his way to you.

Let it be, baby. Just let it be. There will come an answer.

Let it be.

Dr. Dyer, would you like to go to a fellow now?

Fellow with a regular name this time.

His name is Bob and he's calling from Denver, Colorado.

Bob, welcome to the program.

Hello, folks.

Hey, Bob.

Dyer, hey, great to talk to you again. We haven't talked—

Thank you.

—over, and at that time we were talking about how you beat basically alcohol. About the distinction of the Colin Wilson distinction, about two Colin Wilsons, et cetera. And just wanted to almost talk to you again and just basically say everything's going great. You know, good for you. Conversation— the beautiful part about the shift is that you have all these new possibilities. You know, your movie points to that a lot, that you have these new possibilities, and it's up to you to basically either hang on and accept that new possibility or turn to another possibility. I think that's true.

Even— did you hear the show at the beginning when I talked about the job losses and all of that? Yeah, you know, like this, 100,000 jobs a week are being lost, but nobody's talking about the, you know, the 100,000 jobs that can be created from that, from with those people as well. And, and that I think instead of that, we need necessarily an economic stimulus where we just throw in a lot of money and throw a lot of money at a problem, which is normally our tendency of the way we handle anything, is that we need a spiritual stimulus. You know, we need a new stimulus, an awareness that that, you know, with God all things are possible. And that, you know, when this shift takes place, which is what the movie— that's why we're changing the title of the movie from Ambition to Meaning to The Shift. Because when this shift takes place inside of us and we begin to realize that it's not about my ego, it's not about what I can create or what's in it for me or how much I can get. It's much more about how can I serve, how can I reach out, what is it that I can do. And so many people who are in this economy right now are telling themselves when they lose their job, well, what's in it for me and how much am I going to get in unemployment and me, me, me. Instead of shifting and say, what can I do now? What opportunities do I have now to reach out and to serve and to make a difference and to, you know, create products and to create an environment in which we live in a better world? Anyway, that's just a little aside.

Oh no, it's not, but it's a powerful aside. Just because from the standpoint that there's so many people that I keep running into— your movie points to that. You just, if you're open, you hear people. They're looking, they're searching, they're wanting to know something. I've been successful at passing your movie on to the first person, you know, that basically came into my life asking that, a person that I really don't associate with, but just was feeling victimized because she just found out she had cancer. And I said, oh, you got to watch this movie and see if somehow you can't shift from being that victim to a very empowered person in dealing with what your body's going through. And it's just amazing, you know, what that communication does. I, you know, I'm watching that in a friend of mine's life who's also an avid fan of yours, saw you when you're out here at Denver at, uh, Myleside. Her name is Lauren Miller. I don't know if you had a chance to read her new book about hearing his whisper, but it's about—

what is it called? Hearing His Whisper. Hearing His Whisper. No, I haven't seen it.

It's by Lauren Miller. Incredible gift she had to make when she was diagnosed with cancer. And then 2 weeks— this is 2 weeks before she was going through divorce court, and then she gets diagnosed with this form of cancer, breast cancer, and just the strides she was able to make through that and the power that she— you talk about service all the time, and it's absolutely amazing. You know, she could have let that take over her whole life, and then who would she be today? But she sat down and wrote about it, and now she's inspiring other people much like yourself to take control of, you know, basically how they view the world and how the world views them.

It's such a powerful thing that you're saying, and I'm thinking about the call earlier from Garsha down in Florida about taking whatever these things that are coming into our lives and just shifting, shifting away from, uh, my ego and what's in it for me and what, uh, how is this affecting me. And, you know, because Lao Tzu so brilliantly points out that the door never opens. And one of my very favorite quotes from him, and I've got it, I just happen to have in front of me because I did a seminar here the other day He said that the mystical techniques for achieving immortality are revealed only to those who have dissolved all ties to the gross worldly realm of duality, conflict, and dogma, which means the material world that we live in. You have to dissolve all your ties and no longer make this your primary relationship. And then he concludes, he says, as long as your shallow worldly ambitions As long as ambitions exist, the doors will not open. And once you let go of that and make that shift— and that shift is something, you know, the film is really about that whole idea of quantum moments and allowing it to come in and then demonstrating it, seeing it take place in a businessman, seeing it takes place in a housewife, seeing it takes place— I don't know if you saw the film, but the character in there that is my favorite in there is Joe, who is the owner of this place and has all of this, you know, has a lot of money and so on. But every time you see him in the film, wherever, and people think he's just a gardener, or they think he's the janitor and so on, and it turns out he's the owner who's doing nothing but just every day spending time, you know, serving, serving, reaching out, caring. And I think when you talk about two of your friends that just, you know, were diagnosed with cancer, I had a dear friend named Nancy who was diagnosed with cancer as well. And one of the things that she said, she said she had a calling within herself. And that calling was that, you know, her children all wanted to be supportive of her. Everybody felt sorry for her. They all wanted her to go into, you know, the different kind of treatments and so on. And she said, my calling told me I've got to get back to nature. And she went away, and she was supposed to not live that long, but she went for 6 months up in the woods up in Wisconsin. I believe it was either Minnesota or Wisconsin, way up in the woods, and rented a cabin and just stayed there and just listened and got quiet and communed with nature. And then began to write about it, then record about it. And 20-some years later, she's still alive. And, and, you know, it was like she listened to that inner voice and made a shift away from, I can do something about that, this is in my hands, I'm going to cure myself, and just letting go and making conscious contact with God and getting back to nature, to basically to her nature. So it's great to hear from you again, Bob.

And, you know, it's absolutely beautiful what you just said because I'm myself struggling with alcohol, you know, 120 days ago, just gave it up. And I would not be in the conscious place that I am had not all these little keys kind of come together, you being one of them, you know, books and your writings and your film, all that stuff just coming together to say, Bob, what the heck were you thinking? And then that stays behind, and now this shift to this new possibility— every possibility is open up to You know, once you let go of that path, and that's so good.

So what you're saying is just, uh, it just excites me. I mean, I get goosebumps and I have them on my arm right now when I think about, you know, the shift opening up, meaning that, uh, you know, like there's now a hole in your life and the hole in your life is that your job is gone, or your hole in your life now is that the alcohol, the thing that you always relied upon to fill, you know, every difficulty or every moment, whatever, that there's now a new hole there and it doesn't have to be filled with something that's toxic. You know, which is not just the way that you think, but what you pour into your body as well. But it can be filled with spirit, it can be filled with like God consciousness, and you make conscious contact there. And, um, you know, it's like you can be, uh, you can be one of the most profound human beings who've ever walked on this planet, making that kind of a shift, that kind of a change. And that's, by the way, that was my goal in doing this film. I said, I'm gonna— when I do a film, I do not want it to look like an amateur job. I want it to be done professionally. I want great actors in it. I don't want to look like somebody who's trying to be an actor but isn't. I want 10 million people to watch this movie. That's what I'm doing right now. 10 million people. Because I think if we can get a critical mass of 10 million people to watch this film, we can not only make a shift in our individual lives, we can end violence on this planet and poverty and, and hatred and all of those kinds of— we can do all of that. We can really literally shift the planet. That. And I think some of it is happening politically, but it's got to take place within our hearts. And if enough of us shift, enough of us make that shift, then everybody else will automatically align. And I think the alignment will be completed on the winter solstice of 2012. That's just what I'm putting out there. Thank you, my friend. Great call. God bless you. 120 days. I'm really pulling for you and really happy for you. One day at a time, man. One day at a time. Thanks a lot, Bob.

All right, Dr. Dyer, we have Anastasia now going all the way to Australia, Sydney, Australia. Anastasia, welcome. You are live with Dr. Wayne Dyer. Oh, hello. How are you?

I'm fine, thank you.

How are you? Oh, good.

I can't believe I got through. It's unbelievable.

Well, you're calling from Australia. We had to make a place for you. I watched your— I just watched the Australian Open, just watched the other day. I watched Rafa Nadal beat Roger Federer. It was a great, great, great, great tennis tournament.

You guys had a great time watching it with my son, so Oh yeah, no, it was good. Did you? Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually ringing not too different to the lady that you spoke to earlier concerning career. I've made a lot of changes. I worked in the corporate world for a long time, never was satisfied, and I knew my life journey belonged somewhere else. I've read a lot of your books, very similar, for many, many years. The odd time I've helped people out with readings or healing. I've started to do a lot of affirmation work because I went through a rough time with my personal relationship as well, and that helped ease a lot of anxiety and calm the nerves. But now that I'm trying to rebuild myself and commit to a better career, more nourishing for myself and my family, have you— my question is is when you are going moving forward, but sometimes the doors aren't opening, is it because I may not be ready yet, or is it that I might be going down the wrong road and it's a sign? Heck, this is where I'm struggling.

I think the word— you know the word analysis? Yeah. You know, A-N-A-L-Y-S-I-S? The first 4 letters of analysis are what? Anal, okay? And which means that we spend too much of our time trying to figure things out like that, you know, like, why isn't this happening? Instead of just accepting that it is and trying to come up with an answer that's going to make sense. And the same answer that I might give to you is like this: I could say you're, you're not ready, and then, and then in the next breath someone else would say, well, you're just walking down the wrong road. And neither one of you— we just— there's no answer to that. There's no right answer to it other than This is what is, and I am a vibrational match to it. In other words, I am— I'm matched up with these doors being closed. That's where I am. All I want to do is unmatch myself. I want to move to a place where doors open. And if you heard what I just read from Lao Tzu, it's like that means dissolving your ties to this material world and not seeing yourself here as a human being having a spiritual experience, but truly realigning yourself in such a way so that first and foremost, your number one relationship is to your source, is to God. And you begin to dissolve the ties that you have to this physical world. It's like this is just— it's so temporary and it's so fleeting, and it's, you know, it's like it's over in a second, as you know. And so this, like, this just isn't who you are. So then when you get to that place and you just begin to observe the doors and just notice the doors, you can actually— you can make them open all by yourself. You can make them open by just saying, I'm no longer a vibrational match to closed doors. Doors. That's just not what I do. And if that door is closed, then I'm either going to walk through it or I'm not going to pay attention to it. I'm going to ignore it or I'm going to choose a different door, but I'm not going to try to analyze it, figure it out, and, uh, or anything else. I'm just going to let it go. I'm going to be done with all the trying to figure it out and become an essential spiritual being. And then you'll be guided. That's when the doors open. That's when what Lao Tzu called these angelic teachers— that's when they begin to show up. They don't show up because you're chasing after them because you really want them to open up. I'm going to read you one more quick quote from that same passage. Oh, we just have a minute. Just got notified that we just have a minute. It says, these angelic teachers cannot be sought out. It is they who seek out the student. When you succeed in connecting your energy with the divine realm through higher awareness and the practice of virtue the transmission of the ultimate truths will follow. This is the path that all angels take to the divine realm. You just have to step back, detach yourself from your ego, and reach out and serve, and all will be yours. Forget those doors. God bless you down there. We're going to go away. So thank you for your beautiful call. I love you in Australia, and I'll see you soon. Okay. Thanks so much, Anastasia and Dr. Dyer. Thank you. We'll We'll see you again, of course, next week here.

Dr. Dyer, before we get to calls though, I just wanted to share a quick email from one of our listeners that I just thought was really great. She was listening to the show Curriculum of Your Life, and there was a woman talking about her chronic health problems. And your question was, what if we didn't have the ability to think the thought, I am sick, how would we then feel? And this question made her think about her son. He was born very premature 25 years ago, and he has some physical and mental challenges. Although he has limited ability to communicate verbally, he can get his basic wants and needs across. And she says she's always marveled at the fact that when he would have anything from the flu to surgeries, he would just happily rest and sleep until he felt better and always recovered quicker than a typical person would. And there was never a complaint. Doctors are not yet sure, she says, what is specifically wrong with him, but he always responds to just rest, and he enjoys music, and that's kind of how he heals himself. And never has the thought, "I am sick." He never acknowledges it or really accepts it. He just kind of goes along and then seems to kind of bring himself back into good health. And she says, "I realize Dr. Dyer helped me with that one question. To see the way my son handles himself is a beautiful example of the gracefulness of a pure soul instead of the sad feeling that he doesn't understand what's going on. He absolutely does understand, and so does Dr. Dyer." So she just wanted to say thank you for your contributions to Hay House and for having her think the thought that he is well. So I just thought that was sweet.

That's a wonderful letter, and the concept is really true. It's basically the concept behind a book I did a couple years ago called Excuses Be Gone. Yes. Which is what I have a paradigm in there, and one of the questions in the paradigm is, you know, what if you couldn't think the thoughts that you have that tell you that you can't do this or this is impossible or that that you have to be poor or that you can't get that job or that you're infirm or that you're weak or that you're sick and so on. What if you just couldn't think that thought? And it's interesting, you know, I've talked before about this, you know, the cleanse that I was on, and I just did another 3 days with my daughter Summer, who's here.

Yes, the Master Cleanse.

Yeah, the Master Cleanse. I just went back on it for 3 days just to sort of support her with it. She had taken up smoking at one time and she She's getting rid of all of that and really getting herself very, very healthy. And I was noticing whenever I go for a walk or anything, I see people walking by a restaurant and they take a great big cheeseburger with bacon on it or something, they go to take a bite of it and this isn't something that I've put in my body probably in 20 years. But as when you're going through a cleansing process, the whole process becomes mental and what it makes me realize is that virtually everything in our life is mental. What kinds of thoughts do we think? And I'm watching people put this great big greasy thing into their mouth and taking a bite of it and drinking a great big soda, and you know, they're 50, 60, 70 pounds overweight and so on. And I'm thinking, oh man, that looks so good. And I think, what a kind of a mental thing is that? And I begin to realize that it's like we become what we think about. And, uh, you know, most of the difficulties that we have— I think about people who out there who are overweight, and I think, what if you couldn't look in a mirror? And what if you couldn't step on a scale? And what if you couldn't think the thought, you know, that I'm overweight, that I'm fat, that I'm unattractive, that I'm lazy, that whatever it is, all the things that are associated with that. And so I think what she was saying there is very, very relevant, is like, begin to look at and say to yourself, well, what if I couldn't think these thoughts that I can't make things happen, that I can't manifest things? And the only thought that you could think of, with God all things are possible, and I am connected to God. I am a piece of God. What if that was the only thing that you could think? And, um, and then begin to challenge yourself and just say, okay, then I'm going to not give myself permission or the right to think thoughts that don't work for me. You know, like she was talking about her son, you know, it's like, uh, what if he just absolutely could only think, you know, I am well, I am content, I am happy? And, and that's why, you know, so many people when they go to, uh, when they go to the hospitals, they go to doctors and so on, and they have all of these these tests that are run, and then they run— look at all the numbers, and they look at all the things, and, and they start to, to think about all the things that are going to go wrong with their body. And I tell them, what if you couldn't think those thoughts? What if you could only think that I'm, I'm healthy, I'm content, I am peaceful, I am strong, I am God, I am with, you know, I am connected to God, all things are possible? And if that was— had you had been conditioned to, to only think that way from the time that you were just a child, you know, your whole physical world would Right. And that really leads me into a little bit about what all of the controversy and all of the discussion about the Supreme Court decision of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Roberts, siding with, quote, the liberal wing of the Supreme Court and upholding the individual mandate and the healthcare law that there's been so much fighting over. And so on. And I, I think about, um, you know, what is it? What is all of this controversy about? What is everybody all upset about? Was it that government's going to come in and do this and do that? You know, I'm 72 years old, so I've been on a program that is called Medicare for 7 years now, and I go to whatever doctor I want to go to if I want to go. Nobody comes in and tells me anything that I can do or that I can't do. It's a very simple system, and it's something that we put into place that every civilized country in the world has for every single one of their citizens, while we finally have it just for people, you know, over the age of 65 or so on, and also for people who are, uh, you know, incapacitated. And, and it's never been a problem, and everybody supports it. And all of the people in the, in the, in the Republican Party who are opposed to this healthcare, you know, certainly don't want to get rid of Medicare and so on. And then I think about all of the people up there arguing that we're going to repeal this and we're going to reveal— here's the the Speaker of the House, John Boehner, is up there saying we have to throw this whole law out and it's socialized medicine. And meantime, he has voted for himself a, uh, a wonderful package of government-subsidized and taking care of healthcare for himself. And every single person in that Congress is, uh, has a form of what they call, quote, socialized medicine, which somehow there's something terribly wrong with that word. And all of these people, um, who are voting on whether or not the rest of the country can just be be free from the worry. The thing that concerns me the most about this, Diane, is the element of cruelty that is inherent in this argument that we have to, uh, you know, let's toss this all out and let's all start over again, which really means let's get rid of it, let's never have it again, and let's just say, oh, we got a wonderful healthcare system in this country, except for the 50 or 60 million people who don't have healthcare, who when they find out that they have a brain tumor or when they have an accident, or when they get some kind of serious debilitating disease where they need continuous coverage, they don't have insurance, they can't get insurance, the hospitals won't take them, and they just basically die and live in this, you know, system where they're just so worried and so filled with fear. It just seems to me like an absence of compassion. And I was so impressed with the Supreme Court Justice with with Justice Roberts coming along and saying this is a signature thing that has happened in this, whether they, you know, under President Obama. I think it has the same kind of magnitude as when Social Security became something, when the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, the Medicare Act, all of these things that are just something that is accepted as if you're born in the United States of America America, one of the greatest countries in the world supposedly, you should at least be able to live— every citizen ought to be able to live free from the worry that they, um, you know, that they can't get the kind of medical attention that they want. And this is the direction that we're moving. And I was watching on Bill Maher's show on Friday night, uh, there was a woman on there who was saying this is, this is only really the very beginning, that we are in an untenable situation. We're in a in a place where healthcare costs are just going through the roof. They were using the example of somebody on the panel had gone into a hospital and they got their bill and they got a bill for, you know, those little packets of Kleenex that they give you when you're in the hospital. Right, like $20 a piece. $28. $28 they were billed for a little packet of Kleenex. And Bill Maher was saying, where does this go? You can go over to any drugstore and get that for 49 cents. Where does the $27.50, uh, go? It's that the whole thing is just so out of control that bringing it back and having the same thing that we offer for all of our citizens in this country, which is healthcare for everybody over the age of 65, uh, why not offer it for everybody? Why not just figure out a way, whatever it takes to make this happen, let's just get together and do it. And when the congressmen get together and say we can't do this, when the Republicans particularly say say, you know, we're going to throw this thing all out, then say, then if you're so opposed to socialized medicine, then stop taking it yourself. You know, you voted for it for yourself. You gave yourself the best medical care that anyone could ever have, and you voted for it for life, for you, for your family. Even if you just serve 2 years in Congress, you get lifetime medical insurance and everything taken care of, paid for in this quote socialized means. You know, by the government.

So why shouldn't the rest of us be offered the same ability to do that? And I've been without insurance before in various jobs and had to try to pray nothing happened. And it really is a— it's a horrible feeling, you know, when you have to go to the drugstore and you have to pay the full price for your prescriptions. You know, you can't get any break.

And something happens to you like my friend Terry Gordon, who's got a book coming out with Hay House this this, uh, this is July now, this month, uh, called No Storm Lasts Forever. He's a cardiologist, a brilliant man, one of— a very good friend of mine. It's a wonderful book. I really recommend it. When, when the book comes out, I want to put Terry on the show. But, um, his son was, um, you know, just got into a terrible automobile accident and was rendered a quadriplegic, and he's going to need medical care for the rest of his life.

What do we do with people like this?

Do we just say, you know, well, just let them die, or just, you know, we're not going to give them the care that they need. The ability to offer insurance and a worry-free life when it comes to medical expenses and so on is something that ought to just come with being a citizen of the country, whatever it takes to make it all happen. And I just think that they've done such a masterful job of convincing a whole lot of people that there's something terrible going on here and that the government's going to come in and there's going to be death panels and all of this stuff, like the Sarah Palins and so on. All of that, you know, we ought to just dismiss all of that and say, look, let's offer complete medical care to everyone in our country and get these medical costs down. The people in Washington are the ones who are going to have to make this happen. And if they say, we don't know how to do it, we can't afford it, we say, well, then you manage to figure out a way to do it for yourselves. Now go into another room and don't come out until you figure out a way to manage for everyone else. By the way, for the people who are paying for your insurance. Exactly.

They need to send you up there. Dr. Dyer goes to Washington.

If I went to Washington, I would just say to all of them, all right, this is the room. You're all going in there, and you're going— you figured out how— whatever it is that you did in there to figure out how to give yourselves complete medical care for life and your families, you don't come out of that room until you figured out how to make this happen for everybody else. Health, particularly because those are the people who are paying the bills for the health insurance that you've given yourself. Exactly, exactly.

I agree. Very interesting. It was definitely, uh, the topic all weekend. I was at a party, everybody was talking about it. So people are very passionately discussing this whole thing, brings up a lot of feelings.

There's so many, uh, there's so much mythology around all of this There's so many rumors about it and all of that. And basically it just gets down to a political gambit. That's what it really is. One party doesn't want the other party to be in power, so they're doing everything that they can. And nobody could, you know, people, as I say, they've come to, I've heard it said over and over again that the main focus of the Republican Party now in Washington is to make sure that the president does not get reelected. That ought not to be the main focus of the people who have been elected directed to Congress. The main focus ought to be how can we govern and provide the services for our people, not how can we just stop somebody from becoming president. It's, you know, it's very frustrating. They decided the U.S. Attorney General Holder for contempt of Congress over this gun thing down in Mexico. And I said, I think the whole country is in contempt of Congress.

I'm certainly one of them that is.

That's my— that's true—

that's my rant for today. Dr. Dyer's soapbox. Right. Very good. Well, we've got some time to grab calls here. And did you want to start in Toronto where you just were?

Yeah, I was just there. Let's see who's there.

Let's go there. Catherine on line 1, and we will start with her. And Catherine, welcome to the show. You're on with Dr. Dyer. Hello, Diane. Hello.

Hi, Dyer. How are you? Hi, Catherine. Speaking to you today is a wish fulfilled, so thank you.

I really appreciate it.

Were you in the audience last week? I was. I found it very humorous and very moving, so thank you for that. Oh, good. You got a few laughs?

Yes, yes. You saw my brother up there. What'd you think of that?

I got a chance to shake his hand. Did you? I just wanted to tell him how perfect and enough it was. In terms of what he spoke, because he almost started to go to an apologetic place, and I just wanted him to know that it was very moving.

Yeah, that's— let me just say one minute here before we get into Catherine, your call, is that my brother David has just written a book called From Darkness to Light, and he tells the story. I mean, he was an alcoholic for over 50 years. He was very, very reserved and shy. He won the Bronze Star for bravery in Vietnam and two tours of duty there. He was basically an atheist and a very withdrawn person, and he got Parkinson's disease when he was 68 years old. That was like 4 years ago, and everything in his life changed. The Parkinson's disease, when you— what you would think of it, this is supposedly a diagnosis of an incurable disease, and it's just going to get progressively worse and so on. And it turned everything around in his life. He found God. He stopped drinking. He stopped smoking. He started writing. He's now written a book and telling a bit about his story and the relationship that he's had with me. And I had him on stage there in Toronto, and it was really, really a very, very beautiful moment. And he has just been— he's just been flying. He's been in the clouds. He can't even believe— people— he said, people were coming up to me and they just wanted— they just wanted me to hug them. They told me that I was inspiration. He said, I can't even believe that. I mean, his whole life changed, and it's like So many of the things that come into our life that we think are terrible, and what an awful thing to have Parkinson's disease at the age of 68. It was largely from him being in Vietnam and being exposed to Agent Orange. And it turns out that this storm, this horrible thing that supposedly happened to him in his life, was one of the greatest gifts that he was ever given. He found God. He found a way to get over his addictions. He started writing, and he's the happiest guy in the world these days. And I had him up there on stage. So, that's great. He's wonderful.

And he's a sweetheart. He is.

He was. Yeah. And Catherine, what was your question?

Yeah, you mentioned during your talk that, you know, we must be what we can be, and you said obese people are not what they can be, that they don't treat their body with reverence. And then, of course, Skye went on to talk about the greatest gift is to love yourself. Right. I'm a weight loss coach, and what I do is not about nutrition or fitness. It's about teaching conscious weight loss, which is like the intellectual, the emotional, the spiritual clarity that we bring to these things. And it's grounded in unconditional love. So my question for you: the cleansing and the weight loss that you experienced recently, you talked about a greater clarity that that brought to you, and I'm assuming that that's serving your writing now in a big way. How would you articulate create this greater clarity for others who just don't know what they're missing? And then the second part of my question is, what's your thought on spiritual leaders who are overweight or obese?

Well, there's such a conflict in this because, you know, and one— out of one side of my mouth I say that you are not your body, and so therefore what you are is formless. You know, I tell people often, you know, the that the life inside of you is really God. You know, that your body is, you know, if you weigh your body when you're alive and then instantly you die and life leaves your body and you weigh it, it weighs the same. So that your life, that whatever it is that leaves it, is weightless, it's formless. But we all emerge, on the other side of my mouth I say that our bodies are our temples. These are the things that house our soul. And if these bodies are being deteriorated or they're being poisoned or they're being overfed they're being misused in some way, not exercised properly, not fed properly, then you don't have any place else to live. You know, God leaves this physical domain, if you will, and you are incarnated here into a physical body so that when you return to optimum health, when you return to perfect health, the place from which you originated— I mean, yesterday I was out walking and And I saw two people walking towards me, and they both were about maybe 125 pounds overweight, at least rolls of fat rolling off of them, hard to walk. You could see over-breath, their faces were flushed red, and so on. And both of them were carrying from Subway a soft drink that must have had 32 ounces in them. It must have been a quart of either Coca-Cola or some kind of sugary drink. And I was I was just watching them as they were walking, barely, you know, having difficulty walking, but balancing this bag of food with this great big thing of pure sugar that they were pouring into their bodies. And I was thinking, if you only knew, if you could only sense inside of you that there is a place that is craving for you to just drink pure water, for you to rid yourself of this mental training that you have had, that you have to pour this kind of stuff into your body. Because we all come from a place of well-being. We come from a place of perfect health. And when you get back to that place of well-being, when you return— you know, as I've quoted T.S. Eliot many times on the show, and said, we shall not cease from exploration, but at the end of all of our exploring will be to return to the place from which we originated and to know it for the first time, to know it. You know, I think he might have been talking about death there, you know, that when we die we'll return to the place. But I've said in Wishes Fulfilled that I believe that we'll, you know, we can experience returning to that place without having to leave our bodies. And when you do return to it, when you begin to exercise yourself regularly, when you begin to watch the kind of food that you place into your body, when you begin to drink more water when you begin to have healthier thoughts, there's a new clarity because you're now reconnected to your source. You're more aligned with God than you've ever been before. And this is the clarity that I feel. You're absolutely right. I feel it when I'm writing. I feel it in every moment of my life. We got to go, Catherine. We got— we're going to get a break here, I just heard. I want to send you a copy of Experiencing the Miraculous. Have you looked at that?

No, I would love to receive it. Thank you.

Yeah, it says from Assisi and Lourdes Medjugorje. And I hope I answered your question. I'm not sure if I did, but it's, it's really just about connecting back to source and feeling God in everything you do. And that's perfect health. There's no obesity there.

And we'll go right back to calls. We've got some great people lined up here. So let's go to Cheyenne, Wyoming. There's an interesting place on line 10.

And let's check in with Roy. Hello, Dr. Dyer.

It's Roy Rogers again. Hi, Roy, how are you? How's Trigger? Doing okay, trying to stay out of the rain and everything. We're getting a little bit of rain right now. We need it over here in this part of the country. You heard about all the wildfires to the south of us?

I have. All in Colorado, which have been very difficult.

A lot of prayers going out. They have a dear friend. In fact, our friend Nancy Levin, who works, of course, for Hay House and has written her own little book of poetry, is in Boulder. I was speaking to her and she was standing outside of her apartment and she could actually feel the heat of the flames. And I told her just sort of facetiously that I would put an end to that. And that night they got about 30% rain that night, so I took total credit for that. I don't take credit for the fires, but I take credit for the rain.

Yeah, yeah, I heard another caller tell you one time that you'd actually helped bring rain or something to him when there was lack last year, I think, when I first started listening to your show. I think it was one of the first shows I heard. So yeah, maybe your biography ought to be called The Rainmaker or something like that.

That's interesting because when I was in Bali, I think I've told this story on here, but we were way out in a remote part of the island years ago with my wife and two of my children when they were just little. And we walked into this village and there was a man laying there on the ground looking up at the sky. And this is right on the equator practically. And I asked, who is he? What does he do? And they said, he's the rainmaker. He brings rain. And he doesn't pray for rain. He prays rain. Greg Braden wrote about that in one of his books. So yeah, anyway, what's on your mind, my friend from Cheyenne?

You know, I told the call screener I wanted to ask a question about how it might feel sometimes when you feel maybe when it comes to being inspired and maybe feeling at a point where you're broken. But you kind of answered that question when you were talking to another person. You kind of just gave me just what you said in your last call about just, you know, what you were saying. And so I think I'd like to change it, if I might. And it's something else that's kind of bothering me because it's something that you talk about a lot. And I've been— and I watch your PBS special whenever it's on PBS. It's on a lot. And if I happen to be catching it, I'll just listen to the audio just to bring in the positive vibes. But if, you know, you're talking about Anita Moorjani and death, and you've written about this and how you know, when people die, it seems like they go to this feeling of absolute love and peace and everything like that. Okay, I guess my question might be— I guess it might just be more of a philosophical one, because I kind of think about this too. I know, because if people talk about how great it feels to be dead, because I've never had any experience like that, if it's so great to be on that other side, why then are we here? Why are— is it a curse then that we're here? Because, you know, we have all these problems we have to deal with and And wouldn't it just be easier if we could all just be in peaceful and all feeling light and feeling good all the time without having to have this human experience? We could all just be in the netherworld feeling peaceful and there would be no problems at all. Sometimes I kind of wish that too because it's like, it'd just be easier that way.

Yeah. Well, Roy, I'll tell you, you ask the question that philosophers from Socrates and Plato to Descartes and, you know, and Jesus and Buddha and everyone else has been addressing, you know, like, what are we doing here? What is our purpose? And why even show up in the first place? One of Anita's— Anita Moorjani, who's the author of Dying to Be Me, had a near-death experience, and I wrote the foreword to that book, and it's truly one of the most remarkable books that I've ever read in my life. I recommend it to everyone, and I pass it out to a lot of people. I bought several hundred copies myself, and I pass it out to anybody who's dealing with this whole issue of cancer and death and near-death and and so on. And, um, you know, it's, uh, I think it's going to be destined to be a classic. But one of the— she is being interviewed in London and she's asked the question, why were you the lucky one? You know, why were you the one that said— because no one who's ever been at that end stage of cancer that she experienced for over 5 years and was just that close to death has ever come back, let alone come back and be cancer-free and out there walking around talking about it. And she said, um, she said, I didn't want to go back into my body. And my sister-in-law Marilyn had this experience back in 1971 when she was in the head-on collision and her body was all broken up and her face was all torn apart. All the bones in her face were broken. She had internal bleeding and she was on, she was on life support for 17 days in ICU and so on. And she said she didn't want to get back into her body as well. She said she was in such place that you just described, Rory, of just divine bliss and peacefulness and so on. And why would anyone want to get back into their bodies? And Anita's response was— I always loved it when she said, because people ask her, look, my sister had the same thing you had, or my mother had this, or my wife had that, and they died. Why were you the lucky one? And she said, maybe they were the lucky ones and I wasn't the lucky one. Maybe I had a dharma. I had something to come in here into this this world and to accomplish. And then when I accomplished it, I can't do it as long as I'm not, you know, it's not back in this body. And she felt my sister-in-law had 3 children that she felt that she had to get back into her body to take care of. Anita felt that she had a very important message. She wanted to talk to people about being loved, to be in a state of love. But to the question that you are asking, which is why are we here in the first place? It's just the great mystery, Roy. I mean, it's— and just, you have to just live in that mystery. I have no idea. I mean, I've read many books about this, and, you know, and many of the spiritual masters, especially when they speak about, you know, why did God even create this world? That, you know, why not just stay in a place of a non-form bliss, you know, period? You know, some of them say that God just want— just got bored with all of that and just wanted to create, uh, an opportunity to express it in you know, in a physical form as well as in a spiritual form. I don't know the answer to that. I can't even pretend to know the answer to it, but I do know that we're here, you know. We did incarnate. This is the physical body. These things that I'm looking at— I'm looking at trees and the ocean and the grass and the birds and, uh, and the flowers, you know, in the room that I'm sitting in and so on. And it's, uh, it's real. And yet there's a— there's the paradox that it's, um, you know, that it's not real at all, that it's all illusion, that we're all, that we're all spirit. So we're going to be here for 100 years or so. The whole thing is just be in a state of grace and peace and love and do the best you can with it. I don't try to make any more out of it than that.

What do you think? As I've gotten older, well, since I've been 39, I've just been feeling, I guess, a little bit older. It's kind of like, you know, anytime you have— I feel a little bit— I get a little ache or pain or I'm thinking, oh God, is this the start of something, you know? Or like, uh, you know, it's like that one movie, uh, Solitary Man, where they were middle-aged people in their 40s or 50s or something, and they were saying the best news you can get from a doctor is like, uh, we caught it early. And yesterday I was buying something at the store and this lady asked me if I wanted my senior citizen discount, and I'm only 45. And I'm like, I just— I guess maybe I thought a little bit more about death because it's like, it's not like I haven't seen it instantly to where, like, a near-death experience and stuff. And it's like I'm thinking, man, it just seems like it's just a slow, gradual, kind of torturous thing to this point. And I guess that's what's— why it's been kind of bugging me also. Yeah, I know what you're saying.

The best thing to do with that, Roy, is just turn it around and just, and just say to yourself, you know, God is love and we come from God. God is the source of all things so that we are love. And that so you just love every aspect. It's like I was telling the story of my brother David, you know, standing up there in front of several thousand people in Toronto and being able to speak when he couldn't before, and being able to say, you know, I love my Parkinson's disease. You know, I've been diagnosed with leukemia. I love this leukemia. It has done so many wonderful things for me, and it has given me an opportunity to serve so many other people who are so terrified and so frightened and scared heart and thinking about dying, it has brought me Anita Moorjani. It brought her into my life, and this person who has now written a book that I think can bring peace and love to a lot of people. And just let the rest of it take care of itself, because when it's time for, you know, life to leave your body, it will. And, uh, and it can't, uh— the part of you that is, that is really real, that is authentic, uh, was never born. It never dies. It's infinite. So See yourself as an infinite being and just see this is just part of the, uh, part of the dance. That's all. Gotta go, my friend. Yeah, thanks, Roy. God bless you. Yeah, you're very welcome. Let's send you a copy of Experiencing the Miraculous. Get— leave your address there. It's the wonderful tour that we did to Assisi, Lourdes, and Medjugorje. It's, um, it's a really beautiful program.

Okay, I'll check within you later in the year.

Thanks, Roy. Say hi to Trigger and Kimo Sabe. Okay. That would be funny. You know kimosabe, Nancy? I mean Nancy's name is Diane. I'm just talking about Nancy, you know?

Oh, kimosabe, was that the Lone Ranger?

No, that was Tonto. That's what Tonto always said, kimosabe. Oh right, that's my friend, right?

Something like that.

You're not old enough to remember the Lone Ranger.

I remember who he is, definitely. Yeah. Well, let's see, where should we go next? How about let's go to Gina in Dalton, Georgia. Gina on line 1. And Gina, thanks for holding. You're on with Dr. Dyer. Hello. Hi, Gina.

Hi, Dr. Dyer. It's such an honor to speak with you. Thank you so much for taking my call.

No, you're very welcome. Nice to hear from you.

I have to give you just a little bit of backstory to understand my question more. About 3 years ago, I started going through a bit of a, you know, awakening, or started to go through my awakening. I've had many life altering experiences from childhood on up into my 30s. I'm 39 now, and, um, I started to assimilate all those problems that I have, and I don't have the victim mentality as much anymore. And I've been able to make use of, you know, find the good in all those situations. And, um, over the past year, I've been feeling really led to, uh, be of service to others because, you know, for many years friends and close family have been coming to me kind of with their problems anyway. And for the longest time I had the kind of thought, you know, I have all these problems, why does it happen to me? But I guess because it didn't completely take me down, you know, I still had a lot of the victim feelings, you know. And anyway, but to get quicker to my question, my husband and I, we've been together for almost 10 years. And, um, he, you know, has had a lot of situations in his past too that has created kind of, you know, the victimization in him too. So we, in the beginning, we identified with each other on that level. Well, I'm not so much identifying with him in that way anymore. And, you know, it's kind of put a, you know, a lot of space between us since I've been going through all these changes. So, you know, I'm kind of, kind of wondering what might happen with us in the future. I'm just, you know, kind of, we've just been growing further and further apart and I don't see where I'm wanting my life to go to be any different. And I'm not sure, you know, he's ready for me to keep having that change, if that makes any sense. I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous.

No, that's okay, Gina. Let me ask you this question. Are you in love with your husband?

I am. I do. I love him very much. Mm-hmm. I love him very much.

And what does that mean to you? What does it mean to love someone very much, to be in love with someone?

I want the best for him. Mm-hmm. I want him to be happy. Sorry. Mm-hmm. That's okay. But I want to be happy too.

Right. Does your happiness come from being able to to do what you just said, to be able to love him and have him fulfill his own destiny and be all that he can be? Yes. Because love doesn't have to mean that you see eye to eye on everything and that you're in agreement. I've often said that our soulmates are often the people who push our buttons and teach us how to be compassionate, how to love the things that, that don't match up to what we, that we would like them to be.

Yes, and I understand that, and I can see how channeling Jimmy for all these years has been, you know, a great help to the changes that I went through. And now, you know, I would really like to be able to help him, you know, with some of his things, but, you know, he doesn't— he's not really interested in what I had to say, so It's hard to see him struggle with those things knowing that he doesn't have to.

Yeah, but you know what? All of this sort of happens, Gina. It happens on sort of divine time. I mean, we try to push the river. We try to make— you're moving in a direction. You're probably moving a little bit faster than he is. You're seeing things that he doesn't see. He's probably got different things on his mind altogether. And instead of just allowing that and just staying in a place of, this is who he is, this is how he feels, this is what he does, it's not the same as I am, I'm going off in this direction, and allow yourself to go in different directions and still maintain the love. And ultimately, the decision about whether you're going to stay together or not, or whether this will end in a happier marriage, or whether it'll end in a divorce or whatever, those are just, that's just the tricks that the mind starts playing. Starts playing on us, like I've got to get this all figured out, I have to have my, my whole life scheduled, and I have to know every detail of what's going to happen. Instead of that, I would just recommend that you just be in a state of just of grace and joy. And if, if he's not in the same place that you are at, you know, honor him for where he is. And don't be in that place where, you know, there's something wrong here. That we constantly tend to do this in our relationships trying to find, uh, you know, find the common ground. And this is, you know, that we both agree on everything. You know, the fact is that you probably agree on very little. And love is really just, you know, a willingness to love, uh, you know, love someone, um, regardless of what they think. You know, Robert Frost said it so beautifully: we love the things we love for what they are.

Well, we have two children too. I have an 8-year-old and a 5-year-old autistic son. And the past 5 years, I used to have a career, and after the, you know, the economy first officially fell out, I lost my job. And so I became a homemaker because I had a young baby at that point in time, and we started having problems with him early on and later to find out that he's autistic. So I've had— but I've tried to make the best use of my time being here and not having, you know, the career and everything. So I've tried to appreciate it and make I've had of it, and that's when I began all this.

It's been a wonderful journey. You've got a lot on your plate. I mean, you've got a special needs son who requires a lot of your attention. He probably, ultimately, if you could see him, is probably the greatest teacher who ever came into your life. Absolutely. He teaches you about being in the moment and being in a state of grace. He's a representation of divine love. Love. Absolutely. Um, and so it's like instead of looking at him as someone who, uh, is taking up so much of your time and keeping from being able to work the way you used to and so on, see him as this great gift that came into your life. And it's like if you look at him now and then you look at your husband and you say, well, I could look at him as someone who's not on the same path I'm on and he's going in one direction and this is going to lead to terrible things, or you can just say, I just love him for what he is. And, and I don't have to be with them at every moment, and we don't have to agree on everything or even anything, and I can still be in a state of love because divine love is really a different kind of love. It's a love that, you know, that never changes, and it's a love that never varies, and it's a love that you have for everything and everyone. And, and the life inside of you, the life inside of your husband, the life inside of your son and your daughter is really just God. That's all it is. Is. And if you can just stay in that state, just stay in that very peaceful, loving state, and turn the rest of your life and all of the details over to God, over to something greater than yourself, and just be, you know, I don't know, just be in a state of peace and joy. It's, uh, you'd be surprised how quickly it'll all work out for you.

Yes. Well, with my son, you know, when we had first started having problems with him, and, you know, I found out the whole autistic thing, I struggled with it for a very long time. You know, of course, didn't want to accept it and all that kind of thing, but then, you know, I started seeing, you know, how much he's taught me and how wonderful he is, just like he is. All right, absolutely.

Yeah, also become conscious of, uh, of what, of what you feed him. A lot of— read Pam McDonald's diet book, The Perfect Gene Diet.

Uh, yeah, we've already cut back on a lot of different things because—

yeah, that's very important because the We're finding out that a lot of the stuff that we're eating, I mean, if you go out into the world and look, you see that 1 out of 3 of us now are chronically obese, you know. I mean, and then you see high increases in the number of autistic children, and you're seeing lots of like changes, physical changes taking place in our human species. And a lot of it has to do with watching, you know, the kinds of foods that we place in, the kinds of the water that we drink. And things like that.

Yeah, yes, I'm— yeah, we've been working on a lot of that. Yeah, he's about to work on my own self too with my, you know, with my, my weight and stuff. I've always kind of had a weight issue, but in the past 3 years I've been able to take off like 70 pounds. But it took me 3 years to take it off.

70 pounds, that's a whole Backstreet Boy. That's what I think.

Well, good for you, my dear. You know, I don't know if you've— if you know anything about it. You've heard me talk in the last few weeks on the, on the Master Cleanse. Yeah, I'm going through and cleansing your body, you know, getting it back into maximum health. That's what I'm working at right now. I just found out that I called my son who's 25 years old and he's, he's a surfer and he's in great shape and he's, you know, all these things. And I asked him what he weighs and it turns out that I've got my weight down to— it's exactly the same as his. Oh wow. And any of us, because it all, and you know, when I think about your call and your husband and your son and you and the obesity thing and all of that, just come from a place of, you know, I am divine love, I am perfect health, I am a piece of God, you know, and my body I treat it as a temple, my son's body is a temple. My husband's body is a temple, and all I'm going to do is just be in a state of love and just, just try that. Try it. It works. I will. Let me send you— we got to go. I got to get to another call. We— I want to send you a copy of, uh, of Experiencing the Miraculous. That's 4, 4 films in Assisi and Lourdes and Medjugorje. You're going to love this, I promise you.

Thank you so much, Dr. Dyer. I appreciate it so much.

Thank you, sweetheart. God bless you. It's all perfect, dear. It's all perfect. Perfect. Thank you.

Namaste. And we probably have time for one more. We can grab Ellen in New York, and she's been very patient on line 5. We've got about 2 minutes. Oh my goodness. So we can grab Ellen. Hi, Ellen. Thanks for your patience.

Hi, Dr. Dyer. So quickly, I just wanted to ask you then about the forgiveness work and what you did with your father. Completing my training to be a body-centered psychotherapist, so we work with the body. And so what I'm— you know, sometimes I've done all this spiritual work and family can still trigger you, and I find myself acting in ways that surprise me. And forgiveness especially, it can really be held in the body. You can feel these emotions, and I think I just wanted to hear from you about that work. You know, sometimes it sounds like you just did it effortlessly with your father, and if you could just speak a little bit about that, like bringing forgiveness into the body, because it's so important.

Right, I didn't do it effortlessly, but you know what, Ellen, the truth of it is I don't really believe I did it at all. I'm writing about this right now in this book that's going to be out probably another year or two. It's called I Can See Clearly Now, as I'm going back looking at all of the things that that transpired in my life from the time that I was a young boy living in foster homes up until right now, and all the different people and the teachings and the teachings that have come into my life. And I really think that I was just being guided, and I think we're all being guided. We just don't listen to that guidance. You know the old line that's like, when the student is ready, you know, the teachers will appear. The teachers are always there. The teaching is always there. It's whether or not we take a hold of it and grab have it and use it. And I, I really think that I was directed to my father's grave in 1974 because I had a dharma. I had something that I came here to do, but I— and I was aware that I had to do this. This was something— this wasn't even a choice for me, that I was going to become a teacher of higher consciousness. And so I was directed to do that. Get quiet, listen, be in peace, and you'll be guided to forgive and to love. Gotta go, I'm sorry. Wouldn't call back next week. I'd love to talk to you more, see if we can get her on next week.

Welcome, Dr. Dyer. It's good to talk to you as always. Thank you.

It's good to be back.

And I wanted to mention your book. You know, we've been waiting for The Shift, the book, to be coming out, and it also has a companion DVD. I got an advance copy in my hands last week, and we're waiting for it to be released. So you must be excited about that.

Yeah, well, the companion is the movie, which has been out for a while, but the book, the book has not been out. I think the release date is March 1st, it'll be available in the stores, which is next Monday. Yeah, I just got an advance copy of it.

I'm real happy with it. It's sort of— it's got, as I said, it's got 4 chapters in it, from ambition to and meaning.

And it's sort of a capsulized version of what I think happens in our lives when we come into this world. And we— I try to look at where we came from, and then when we take on this ego and all of the problems that that causes causes for us. And then when we start to make the shift ultimately to the something called meaning, where we begin to have ambition, but we have ambition about, uh, about something very different, about living on purpose and so on. It's about finding a divine purpose in our lives.

And I feel very good about it.

It's a short book, it's 112 pages, but I think there's a lot crammed into it. It's also very interesting for me, I just wanted to share a little bit about this with the audience here today, that When you get to this place, and I've talked about it many times, about where you surrender and you let go and you start to realize that there is something bigger moving all the pieces around, and all of these things that we call coincidences begin to show up much more frequently in our lives when we start to align ourselves with our natural source, a source of being, when we begin to recognize that we and God are one. And it's happening for me again in my life, and I often share this. I guess you can— maybe I'll share a little bit about this on the Twitter thing as well, and Facebook and all of that. But what is happening is that I am going to begin writing another book. It's— I got to turn it in a year from June, I've been told. So that's June of 2011, which gives me about 15 months to complete this book. And I've kind of known this. This, and it's going to be called Wishes Fulfilled. I've talked about some of the concepts here on the show. And when you do surrender and when you let go and you begin to realize that you're not the one in charge of all of this, that you just, you know, that I've often said that motivation is when you get a hold of an idea and you take it to where you want it to go. But inspiration is the reverse. Inspiration is when an idea gets a hold of you and it takes you where you were intended to go, where you signed up for before you ever got here. Here. And then when you do, when you get to that place where you really surrender with it, you begin to see things happening. And I'm just noticing things happening in my life. Like, um, I drove all the way over to the other side of the island last week for no apparent reason. I went to watch the second showing of the Wishes Fulfilled thing, but I really didn't need to be there. I just drove over and I wandered into a bookstore, and I'm standing in this bookstore looking through different things, and this great big thick book in there, the completed— all the total work of a man named James Allen, who wrote a book called As a Man Thinketh, that I've quoted in the past. And I've sort of skimmed through it in my life, but this is about a 1,000-page book of all of the works that— of this man who, who lived back in the early 1900s, like 1903, 1904. He was writing As a Man Thinketh, and I would look through it and I thought, this is interesting. I'd put it back because I didn't want to carry it, and I'd put it back back again. And finally I just said, well, I guess I came over here to get it. And I picked it up and I found myself this weekend studying it and outlining it and using different ideas for it for the writing that I'm going to do. And I picked up another book called Spontaneous Evolution, Bruce Lipton's book. That's a Hay House book. And both of them are about the power of the mind and taking care of things, not just attracting things into your life, like what you want to get for yourself, but how to, how to really look at all the circumstances of your life and look at your health and look at your relationships relationships and look at it from a perspective of, uh, of how you attract these things into your life through your thought processes. Just sort of on the fringe of what I want to write about. But what I notice is that every single time it's about time for me to write a book, that these kinds of things happen. And then I find myself studying, and then I find myself— and, and I never plan any study time. I never plan to go over and get that James Allen book. I didn't plan to have this, uh, you know, the Bruce Lipton book I didn't— all of it is just sort of what happens when you, when you really surrender and when you really let go and you know that you're connected to a source that will direct things. As it says in the Tao, you're doing nothing, you're just being done. But let yourself be done and stop the interfering process. And I'm sitting there last night taking notes and dropping it and thinking to myself, here I go again. It must be time for me to write a book because this is what I do every single time. Time before I actually start the writing process. It's almost as if the universe starts preparing me, and, and if I surrender to it, I can say to myself, I drove all the way across this island, went all the way over there, not to sit in and see the, uh, the second showing of a lecture that I gave, but to pick up this book that is, uh, this James Allen book, which has been just so, uh, written in the language of that, of the early 1900s. Standards, you know, much more not contemporary kind of language that we use, but all of it has the same— it's like, here's James Allen now talking to me from the other side, and I didn't even know why I drove over there. Does that make sense what I'm saying to you?

Absolutely, because you know intuitively that you're going to start that process and things are coming your way to help you do it.

Exactly, and it works both ways. It works in the positive and it also works in the negative. That if you start thinking that you can't do something, then the universe will start providing you with experiences that match up to that as well. So I guess what I'm saying is that when you stay connected and then, and you allow, and you have a knowing that this book is going to be completed— I already have the COVID of it and everything in front of me— then, you know, just relax and just watch and, and just notice. And, and it's like you, you, you get your ego out of the way and just allow it to sort of flow. And here I am back in the same process I've been doing. This is my 35th or 36th book, I've lost count. But virtually since going back 30 years, I can always see these same kinds of things happening for me. Uh, the right messages coming along, the right circumstances, the right people showing up, stuff showing up in the mail. I jot it down, I keep a separate file, and before you know it, I'll be over here sitting down and writing every day and, and just allowing letting it to flow. And there's something in it for everybody listening today. It's like you've got to just stop the interfering process and have more of a trust and start realizing that all those things that you think of as coincidences really are just the universe just sort of aligning in a certain way to help you to fulfill a dharma that you signed up for if you just let it happen.

Anyway, and we get in our own way so much that we stop the that natural process from happening. Right. I just wanted to tell you real quick, I quoted Dr. Bruce Lipton this weekend. You mentioned Bruce Lipton. A friend of mine is going back to school to be a dietitian, and she's studying biology, and they're teaching the old way. They're not teaching what they're learning in cell biology today. And we had a big discussion about DNA, and I told her, no, it's the cell membrane, it's the environment that affects things, and she wouldn't believe me.

So Yeah, the brain, the brain of the cell is not in the nucleus of the cell itself, it's in the membrane. That's one of the things I was reading yesterday.

Right, but it's so interesting how, but they're still teaching the old way. They don't want, schools don't want to open up to any new ideas with that, you know, and she was fighting me on it.

Well, doctors going through medical school, they don't get any courses even on nutrition, you know, and we know that what we We, you know, what we eat makes a huge impact on the health of our body. We are what we eat, and it's hardly even talked about or even mentioned. And so it takes a while for those changes to take place. It is fascinating.

Yeah, well, we've got people ready to talk. Are you— people lined up?

Well, let's keep talking to them. I'll stop talking myself, and everybody who gets through today will get a copy of The Shift, the movie, off to you. And then the book, companion book, will be out in the stores. A week from today.

So we've got about 6 minutes time for a caller too. So here, let's go to Colleen to start things off, calling from Indianapolis on line 2. And thanks for joining us, Colleen. You're on with Dr.

Wayne Dyer. I'm so honored and excited.

Thank you, thank you. I am too.

I have— sorry, sorry, go ahead. I was gonna Rothie is Brony's son, so. Uh-huh.

Well, thank you very much. What happened to your Colts? What's going on with those guys?

I don't know. I just think that the consciousness of the country wanted New Orleans to win. I agree.

There you go. I said that on my radio show last week. I thought that was— yeah, that's nice that someone from Indianapolis can make that kind of a concession. That's great. Yeah, there were a lot of people pulling for all of those folks who'd been through so much down there in New Orleans. I know. What's on your mind today, dear?

Well, um, my whole world blew up in 2009. My marriage to an alcoholic and everything is up in the air. And I, I stayed 14 years in an abusive relationship trying to live every principle and every spiritual principle I've had, thinking, you know, it would get better. And I wasn't worried about bad karma. And I'm trying— going through the divorce now, and I still worry about karma. And I'm trying to have faith that even though I've been an artist, but you know how that is, and especially in Indiana right now, I'm trying to have faith in God that he will provide and that you know, if I follow my bliss, which is my art, that, you know, hopefully I'll be okay. And, um, but, you know, I'm losing my home, my marriage, I don't know about my job. So I just respect you so much and admire you so much. I guess I just— any reassurance from people would help. Yeah. What is your first name? A lot of Colleen. And I think a lot of women especially I'm, you know, I'm 50, I'm going to be 57, you know, and I raised kids and, you know, I never had a high-paying career and it's kind of challenging right now to stay in a frame of mind that it'll be okay. But I really feel like this has, you know, put me on the fast track on my spiritual walk and it's— I do your affirmations, I do 3 pages of affirmations, I meditate, I I do everything. So yeah, I get waves of anxiety, I guess. I can tell that.

Yeah, I can hear it. And all, all throughout the things that you've been saying, you know, it's like, uh, the year 2000, you said the year 2009, everything in my life blew up. And then you started saying you got out of a marriage to an abusive man who was an alcoholic.

I wouldn't think of that as process.

Yeah, yeah. But I wouldn't think of that as my life blew up. I would of this?

Like, I'm losing a house. I renovated an 1800 farmhouse. It took me a year and a half. I'm losing it. My— I had in July file, finished the house, next week listed it, next week filed for divorce, next week had to put my dog down unexpectedly, the next week my horse got fatally injured and I had to put him down. So in one month, I just pretty much lost everything. And, um, but I've pulled myself out of it And I'm off.

But can you stop, can you stop and say to yourself that a lot of these things that you've had to do in the, in the last month or two, whatever it is, the dogs, the horse, the house, the husband, that this is a cleansing process, that the universe is offering you an opportunity to just sort of clean house and get ready for something that's really phenomenal that's going to be, that's going to be coming your way? Getting out of an abusive relationship to an alcoh— I mean, living for 14 years with an alcoholic man who was abusive on top of that is, uh, you know, it's like you ought to be just like, you know, take a deep breath and say, my God, thank you, God. Thank you for giving me the courage or the ability or the opportunity or the circumstance to be able to move to the next stage of my life.

Because it's probably been holding you back.

And it's just, it's like I've often told people, when you get fires in your— and everything just burns up up. That's nature's way of just saying, just like it does in the, in the forest, that's nature's way of clearing out the old and giving you an opportunity to really move into the new. But your way of processing all of this, even when you said, I'm an artist, but you know how things are— I don't know how things are for artists. I think that this is just as good a time for artists as, as any other time in the world. And but if your thoughts are on, I, I can't make a living doing this, I'm not going to be able to live I have, you know, in the house that I want to live in. In other words, what you want to do is go inside and reconfigure your thought processes and begin to, to understand that all of these thoughts that you have, just in the little bit of time that I've had to talk to you, almost all of it is on what's wrong and what isn't hap— what shouldn't be, what is hurting, and so on. Make a shift in all of that and just go into a state of gratitude.

Go down on your knees and say, thank you I do every day. I just wanted— that was just my background. I mean, I really do well most days. It's just the fear factor I'm really working on, you know.

The fear factor is the way that you're processing all of this. Begin to change the way— change the way you look at things. The things you look at change. Stay on the line. We're going to send you a copy of The Shift. I've got two. Well, now you'll have three. We'll have you a baby. Send one to someone else. Thank you.

So let's take a few more calls here and go to Jason, and he's been very patient holding in Austin, Texas on line 1. And welcome to the show, Jason. You're on with Dr. Dyer.

Wow, thank you very much for taking my call, Dr.

Dyer. Oh, you're welcome, Jason. You don't have a plane that you're gonna fly into the IRS building or anything there in Austin, do you?

No, I know I'm not a pilot. Worked literally across the parking lot from that building for years. Is that right? Yeah. And in fact, when they first broke in for the news coverage, I thought it was the building I worked in that they hit until the smoke cleared a little bit. You could see it wasn't.

Boy, that was some event, wasn't it? Yeah, people, people get pissed off. They, uh, they can do strange things, can't they?

Yeah, I tell you what, everyone knew it was the IRS. Everyone who worked in that building or in that complex knew that he was after the IRS. IRS. And in the beginning, you could tell that the media or whoever was giving the statements out, they didn't really want to say it was the IRS until much later in the day, but we all knew.

Yeah.

So, oh, and by the way, I just watched before your show started the ABC News clips. Um, I forget how I bumped into it online, but, uh, I, I enjoyed them.

They're, they're very good. Oh, thank you very much. Was that the right website, abcnews.com? Is that— will that get you to them?

I think so. You know, I think I found it just by, um, you know, looking at your face. Mm-hmm. Find it there pretty easily.

Yeah. Okay, what's on your mind, my friend? And what's your first name? I missed it. It's Jason. Jason. Okay.

Yeah, and I'm hoping that you can help me, uh, with a little professional dilemma that I have. Uh, I've got, uh, two really good, um, opportunities that I could pursue. One is, uh basically a company that I've been with for about 6 years, but there's another opportunity out there that looks pretty good and the company is after me pretty intently and there's a lot of opportunity on both sides really. And I'm worried that I'm kind of stuck in fearful thoughts. You know, one of my favorite quotes ever is one that you are credited with and it's, "What you think of me is none of my business." business, right? And I can't tell you how many times I've stood in front of a crowd because speaking and training is what I do professionally, and I've said that statement and, you know, told people where it came from and how much it's helped me. And ironically, I think it's stopping me now because in my mind, what I'll do is I'll make a decision to take this new opportunity, and it's almost like the moment I decide to move this new direction, I get fearful for What are people in this old line of work going to think with all these other companies that I used to work with? Hmm.

Yeah.

Nostalgic for the old way and it goes back and forth, back and forth, back and forth and I'm stuck and I sit.

Yeah, it's very easy. You can get unstuck right here, Jason. Very simple. I can tell the difference in the tone between the two choices that you make. Make that you have available to you. The one choice that— yeah, I could just, I could just feel something different because I had my eyes closed and I was just trying to picture you based on what level of— and your level of enthusiasm, which is really the God within, isn't it? Entheosiasm, the God within. Your level of, your level of enthusiasm for doing something different, for trying, taking on this new challenge, for being— having them pursuing you rather intently, as you the excitement in your voice would go way up when you would mention that. And then when you'd say, but I still have the opportunity, I mean, I can still stay where I am and things are going to work out there, your energy level would go down. It was like— and I've always found in my own life, okay, I'm 69 years old here, and you know, every single time, you know, that I had to make choices like you're making right now, the weighing of this or that, I always found that the there was something about the mystery, there's something about the excitement of not knowing exactly what it is, but moving in a new place and trying out new things. And I think it's part of our dharma, Jason. I think it's part of what's built into us. This whole idea that you have to get into a career, you get into one job, you stay in that job forever. We have a lot of memes in our culture which encourage people to do exactly, to stay the same, you know, In other words, come into the— get into a particular company, stay with the company for 40 years, retire, get your gold watch, get your benefits, get, you know, and there's all of these things that, you know, that are sent our way, these encouragers to stay where we are. And then there's the part of us that really likes the mystery, likes it, wants, you know, wants to wander into new territory. You know, it's like the two paths. Crossed in the woods, and I took the one least traveled by, and that has made all the difference. That's Robert Frost. That has made all the difference. I would say take the path least traveled by, if you're asking me, based on just a minimal reading of what I'm hearing from you. The idea of— and it sounds like you— it would be going into a whole new area. It isn't repeating the same kind of field, is that correct?

Well, actually, it is the same type of field, but it's just kind of a different twist on it. In other words, I would be able to have much more immediate influence on the direction of this enterprise, so to speak.

And you'd be designing it yourself? You'd be on your own doing it?

No, I wouldn't be designing it, but I'd be working with the creator to help. It's very new. Do, so I would be able to have my fingerprint on it at a very early stage. Yeah. And so it was interesting you heard the energy in my voice because I don't hear it, but I trust you that it's there.

No, it's definitely there. And I can say the same thing about myself. When I, way, way back in the '70s, you know, when I left a very comfortable position as a teacher and so on, to not only take on a new job, but to move from Michigan where I lived to go to New York. And everyone said to me, how could you do this? You know, and you can teach right here at the university, plus you can work at the school you've worked at before. You've got tenure, you've got all of this. And it's like, and I kept thinking, but that's, it's New York, you know. And it was like, if I, you know, the song, if I can make it there, I can make it anywhere kind of thing, you know. And nobody I already understood that inside of me, but there was something exciting about getting there. And, and, and then after I was there for 6 or 7 years, there was another calling. And, uh, I, I, I made tenure there. I was a professor, you know, I had all everything guaranteed. I had a lifetime job guaranteed for the rest of my life. But there was something about— I had written this book called Erroneous Zones, and, uh, that the, the, the mystery of being on my own and getting out there and trying it and doing it. And as you say, having your imprint on it at the beginning. There's just something very exciting about that. It's part of the creative process. It's like the Tao. It's like living the mystery rather than staying with the familiar. Right.

There's one more part of this that you might find interesting. I can't prove it for this new opportunity, but there's tons of circumstantial evidence that in my own line of work I was actually observed to the point where some of the things that I had done professionally show up in this new venture, you know.

And so that you've been preparing for this all along without even realizing it. The universe, yeah.

So, and it's even some of, you know, you know, the quote that you have that changed the way you look at things and the things you look at change, that, that is used as well. And so maybe I don't want to take up the whole hour here, but But, you know, do you have any thoughts on not letting— see, because my default would be, or my way of thinking would be, well, that's Wayne's stuff, or that came from me, and you need to credit that, and it's not necessarily being credited properly. I don't know, maybe I just talk to the person and get that fixed, or is that something that's useless to waste energy on?

It is, yes.

You summarized it perfectly. It is a waste of your energy, and nobody— Credit is, you know, an enlightened person doesn't want credit for anything. You know, it's like we do what we do. We're all on the same team when we're out there serving and making the world a better place. And I need no credit for anything that I've ever said. And most of the things that I've said, I've learned from someplace else anyway. Yeah, I think all of that stuff is just, it's the stuff, it's the kind of stuff, and excuses be gone, it's the kind of stuff that we use to keep us back, you know. you know, from trying out new things and from experimenting and, you know, to making, you know, to making a new impact in our lives. And, um, and, and it's that, that, that little bit, that fear is really nothing more than thoughts that say, um, I might fail. And if I failed, and if this didn't work, and if I don't make as much money, wouldn't that be— and you fill in the blanks— wouldn't that be terrible? Wouldn't it be awful? Somebody, you know, would disapprove of me and so on. But when you're a free-thinking person like yourself. And, uh, there's, there's an exciting challenge that's out there. I always have said you never regret what you do, you only regret what you don't do. You will never regret doing this, but you will always regret it if you don't.

Well, I, I hope to meet you in person one day. Don't, don't let anybody ever tell you your work doesn't matter. Thank you so much.

Okay, thank you. And by the way, I— the other thing I remember most about Austin is that bat bridge Do they still have that there?

Yeah, the bats are still there.

Are they? There must be 10 million bats inside that one bridge. And when you walk under there, when I'd stay there, I used to speak in Austin every year. Yeah, it's a great city, by the way.

Oh, I love it here. I don't think I'd ever move away. Yeah, when you run under the bridge, the bats kind of stink, but we love it.

Yeah, they do kind of stink. Well, thanks. Thanks. God bless you, Jason. Take care. Enjoy your new profession.

Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned to Jason, Dr.

Dyer, about, you know, you'll always regret something you don't do, you know, rather than something that you would— that you do. And that was how I made the decision to move to California, which is a big move for me coming from Florida. And I knew if I, if I didn't do it, that I would regret it. So that I was more afraid of what was going to happen if I didn't do it it than if I did. And I'm glad I did.

I can remember that same feeling when I left Michigan and went to New York to live in New York all by myself, you know, just to go off there and get a house and take up a position as a professor at a university in the largest city in the United States. I knew that there was a lot of risk involved with it and so on, but I also knew that if I didn't do it, I would regret it forever. You know where I learned that? I learned that at my high school reunion, at my 30th high high school reunion. I've told this story in the air of, um, I was dancing with Janice Nelson, who was the prettiest girl in the school when I was in high school. 30 years later, I'm dancing with her, and I was telling her how I always wanted to go out with her, and I just thought she was so beautiful. I just thought for sure that she would never— always reject me. So I never had the courage to even— I even called her number a couple of times, and she answered, and I hung up the phone because I was too scared to ask her. And she said to me while we were dancing, she said, oh, I always was attracted to you. I really wish you would have called me. I would have loved to have gone out. And I said, oh my God, I can't believe it. You only regret what you do. You'd never— if I would have done it, you'd only regret what you don't do. 30 years later, I'm still full of regret I didn't ask her out when we were in high school.

Oh, there's a, there's a good lesson there for sure. The next caller, she's calling from Honolulu, so she could probably swing this. And this—

that's— she could swim over. She could swim over. I'll meet her halfway and we'll swim back and that's what her question is about, attraction and manifestation.

So I wanted to bring Maya on, line 6, and welcome to the show.

Thank you for taking my call. Hi, Dr. Wayne Dyer. I'm so excited to be able to talk to you. Aloha. Aloha. So my question is that I believe in the law of attraction, you know, creating our own reality with, you know, focusing on what we want and visualizing and bringing my energy into alignment and that type of thing. But in the beginning, you mentioned that we are not the ones that are in charge of life. So I would like to get some help to understand what you are talking about, you know, blending with the Law of Attraction.

Yeah, that's interesting when I say "we are not." We know that we are, actually, but it's when we talk about ourselves, we're usually speaking about our egos and, uh, and what we call the false self, uh, the part of us that believes that, uh, that who we are is all the things that we accomplish and all of our reputations and, uh, all of the stuff we accumulate and so on. Uh, that becomes our way of identifying ourselves, and we, uh, in the process of, of identifying ourselves as these ego-directed or ego-dominated people We forget that who we really are is a piece of the divine, a piece of God, a piece of the source. The source is that which allows all things to materialize from the non-being into being, or from spirit into form, however you want to say it. So that when we connect to that higher place within ourselves and we get our ego out of the picture, that's what I'm speaking about. It's, uh, when I say we, we You know, that there's something, something that we're all connected to, that everything in the universe is connected to, every single person is connected to, that we call— we have many names for it, you know. But the opening line of the Tao Te Ching says, the Tao that can be named is not the Tao. Tao, T-A-O, is another— it's a Chinese word for the great way, but it's just another word for God or soul or spirit or divine mind or whatever. And putting a name on it or a label on it is almost keeps it from working for ourselves in our lives. When we begin to recognize that fundamental truth that we're not here as human beings having a spiritual experience, but it's the other way around, you know, that we're all spiritual beings, infinite spiritual invisible beings. That's who we are disguised as this body and the stuff that we do. That we, that we want to attract into our lives. And the problem with so many people in manifestation is that they use this word want, which is a word that I used to use a lot too, and I don't any longer because you can't want and have at the same time, right? You know, if you, if you want it, it means you don't have it. If you have it, it means you don't have to want for it, right? So that, um, every time we start putting our focus on what we want, we put our focus focus on what's missing, you know, on something being missing in our life. And when our mind, when our true essence, our spirit or whatever, is focused on what's missing, then the universe, then we align with a, with a, with what you call it, the law of attraction, whatever you call it. You align with an energy that says, these are the, you know, here's some more stuff that's missing. And because you keep focusing on what's not here. And that's why, you know, I speak I speak from the perspective of, um, we do not attract into our life what we want. We attract what we are. It's only when we are aligned with this source— and aligning with source means, uh, it means living from a place of love, it means living from a place of reverence for all of life, it means living from a place of offering and giving, of wanting for someone else more— and that's the focus of my show. I've been doing this show almost 5 years now, and in these 5 years, all of the talks, the questions that I take on the air, are about helping people to put their focus on wanting for somebody else more than you want it for yourself. Being in a spirit of giving, of offering, of loving, trying to think like— as Einstein called it, trying to think like God thinks. And how does God think? God thinks like— if these— I always hold my hands up when I do this and say, if these are the hands of God, what does God do with his hands?

All God does with his hands is give and offer and ask nothing back in return.

And so manifesting is really not about putting your attention. I think that was a lot of the misinterpretation of The Secret, you know, that somehow if I just put my thoughts and put a wish board out there and put a new Mercedes on it, that it's going to show up in my driveway. And I think there's sort of a greedy assumption in there that my happiness or what I want is dependent upon stuff arriving in my life. But what I have found is that when I put my attention on just offering and serving and giving and loving and revering life and serving others and getting my focus off of myself, then I'm aligned with source. And when you contemplate like God contemplates, you gain the same power as God. And everything that you need begins to show up for you in almost an automatic way because that's where you're aligned. That's how I started out the show today, knowing that I have a book to write, knowing that I get excited about this, knowing that I have a lot to learn before I sit down to write all of that. And it's like— and then just watching, and then just watching how the right materials show up and the right events show up and the right people show up. And everything just— go ahead. Go ahead.

No, no, you go ahead. Is it even necessary to visualize financial prosperity? Like, you know, the Law of Attraction, Esther and Jerry Hicks. I mean, I love them, their work, and if I focused on appreciation, gratitude, and well-being, and that's going on around me, is it even necessary to visualize financial prosperity?

I don't see— I don't do it that way. I don't do it through the process of visualizing financial prosperity showing up. Up into my life. My focus is always on, um, I myself am prosperous and I am content and I am fulfilled and I am happy, and I want to offer this, I want to share this with as many people as I possibly can. If I feel that something is missing in my life or something, you know, that, uh, somebody isn't cooperating with me the way I would like them to, things aren't showing up the way I want them to show up. I find that if I take the focus off of trying to attract that into my life and put it on how can I serve, how may I serve, how can I offer this to someone else, then when I do that, then I'm thinking and I'm acting like God thinks, or like Spirit thinks, or what they call Source thinks. And as long as I stay aligned with Source, then all of the prosperity or whatever it is that I that I need will show up for me. That's how it works for me. Okay, thank you.

Thank you so much for sharing.

Thank you. You're very welcome. Stay tuned. Have you seen this? Have you seen The Shift yet? Not yet. Well, we're gonna send you a copy, so stand by. We're gonna get your address and put one in the mail to you today. Okay, thank you. Thanks. God bless you too.

Let me go to Samia calling from Toronto, who's been very patient waiting on line 4. And thanks for calling. Hi, how are you?

I'm great today, how are you?

Dr. Dyer, so nice to talk to you. I've been inspired by your books for a few years now, and the first one was given to me by a spiritual mentor. It was Real Magic, and it really made a difference in my life. So thank you for everything you do.

You're very welcome, dear.

What's on your mind? My question is, it's basically, I guess, a follow-up to what this caller was asking about I've been praying for a new job where I can really feel fulfilled in what I do, and it hasn't showed up, and I've been asking and praying for it for a while now. I know part of it is just me feeling like unworthy of it. So if I see a great job posting that I would like to do, I get too scared and think, well, I'm not qualified, or only someone lucky would get that, and I don't deserve something like that. And then at the same time, I wonder why it's not showing up.

Yeah. Have you ever thought in terms of a job as being something that doesn't show up, but is something— it's just a way of offering to the world what it is, whatever great things that you have to offer? Yeah, I do.

And I'm able to do that in certain ways in my current job, and mainly I feel fulfilled through my relationships with people and making someone laugh and smile throughout the day and just, you know, making a difference in those little ways in people's lives. But then there's a part of me that really, like you say, you know, to get in touch with your bliss and what inspires you, and I love writing and being creative, and I wish I were able to do that in an environment where I felt it was really making a difference, like a nonprofit as opposed to in the corporation that I work for.

But why not create that?

Why not create that space in your life? I mean, instead of— it's like so many people say, I'm praying for a certain kind of a job and I'm waiting for it to show up and it hasn't shown up. I don't know how to think like that. I mean, and I guess it's my show, so I should— I can just focus on that. I've never waited for a job to show up. I've always taken whatever it is that I feel that I would like to do, and I've just gone out and done it. And it's always it turns into a way of making a living. Like, I don't even know if I have a job now. I don't really work for anyone. I write when I feel like it. I speak when I feel like it. I study what I want to study, you know, and have done it this way my entire life. I don't think that I've ever applied for a job.

Well, I did one. I think I don't have the faith that you've learned to have.

Yeah, and it's like, if writing is something that you want to do, then my suggestion is right. If you can process that you would like to have a job but you're not qualified, why would you add that 'I'm not qualified' to the idea that you'd like to be able to have the job? And is there any truth to the fact that you're not qualified for any job that's out there? No. I mean, if you wanted to become Premier of Canada, you know, I mean, and someone just said to you, someone just came along and said, okay, Okay, now you are Premier of Canada. Would you say I'm not qualified for that, or would you just start digging in and being Premier of Canada? You've got to be in such a place in your— what is your first name? Simon. Simon, you've got to be in such a place, dear, that if I were to pick you up right now by helicopter and just come along and just swoop you up right now, right, nothing, and said you can't take anything with you, and I'm going to take and I'll carry you off to, and I'm going to drop you off in the middle of, uh, I don't know, Mongolia. And, you know, I'm going to drop you off there. You have to know within you that you could make it in Mongolia, even though you don't know the language, even though you haven't— you don't have any equipment, you don't have any clothes, you don't have any money, you don't have anything. You have to be of such a state of mind that whatever it is that comes my way, I have within me the built-in capacity to handle it. Not only to handle it, but I have all of the qualifications that are necessary. And if the qualifications aren't there, I know how to go about making myself qualified instead of all of that kind of stuff about I can't do it and I don't know and I'm not sure and I don't, and I don't deserve it and it's not happening. You know, it's like, it's hap— if it happens within you and you can create it for yourself, then you can create anything. We're going to get it. We have to go. We're getting off the air. But that's, that's my little, my little speech for you. But leave your address. We're going to send you a copy of The Shift. Have you seen The Shift yet?

No, I I haven't. Oh, you—

why haven't you seen The Shift? That's what you need to see. There it is right there.

Okay, I love you, Dr. Dyer. Thank you so much.

I love you too.

God bless you. Namaste. And we're getting closer to your goal of the DVDs around the globe. Everyone will be making The Shift.

That's right. 10 million people are going to watch that movie. Let's get out there and watch it. Thank you. God bless you. Thanks, Diane. I'll see you next week.

Dr. Dyer, hello again.

Good morning or good afternoon, wherever you are. Good afternoon.

How's the start of summertime treating you in Hawaii?

Well, I've got to wait until tomorrow.

I know I'm jumping the gun, but by 24 hours—

Let it come. We're still in spring. All is well. I'm having a glorious morning as usual.

Well, let's go from that glorious morning to talking about loss and transition in our lives. What are your thoughts on this?

Well, there are two areas there. One, you mentioned the whole idea of death. Death and the other is loss, and I'll talk a little bit about each one of them. I think what happens as you move in your life, as you begin to make a shift into becoming more of a spiritual being having a human experience rather than the other way around— most of us think of ourselves as human beings having an occasional spiritual experience, maybe Sunday mornings or something— but by and large, if you begin to understand that everything that's Everything that composes, as Jesus said, everything that composes decomposes. Everything that shows up into the physical world, everything, there are no exceptions, everything that has boundaries, that has form, that has whatever, is, Lao Tzu said, that is real which never changes. So that anything that is in the world of the changing is something that is transitory. It is something that in a sense isn't real because there's no lastingness to it. So the only thing that is real, the only thing that really is something that we can rely upon, is that which never changes, and that's the world of spirit. And that's where we all emanated from, and that's where we're all headed to, whether we like it or not. We can look at these bodies of ours, and we can get them nipped and tucked, and we can get things that keep them from drooping, and we can do all of that, but ultimately we know that that which shows up in the world of form is headed out, and you You can see it. Many times I've held a hair up on the pillow in the morning, and I've had this experience several million times, and I'll look at that hair that's on the pillow and I'll say, "What held it in yesterday?" And we know that there's some invisible dynamic source. So the way that I look at death, because I don't want to look at it— it's sort of a depressing subject for most people, and I don't want to make it depressing at all. I received something in the mail. Several years ago, and I wrote about it in a book called Your Sacred Self. And it goes like this. It's called There Is No Death. I am standing upon the seashore. A ship at my side spreads her white sails to the morning breeze and starts for the blue ocean. She is an object of beauty and strength, and I stand and watch her until at length she hangs like a speck of white cloud just where the sea and the sky come to mingle with each other. Then someone at my side says, "There, she's gone." Gone from my sight, that's all. She is just as large and mast and hull and spar as she was when she left my side, and she is just as able to bear her load of living weight to her destined port. Her diminished size is in me, not in her. And just at the moment when someone at my side says, "There, she's gone," there are other eyes watching her coming and other voices ready to take up the glad shout out, there she comes. And that is dying. So that it really is truly just a transition, and there truly is no such thing as death. Once you get that, and you get very comfortable with that, and very at peace with that, death isn't something any longer that, you know, it's like taking off an old tight shoe or something. It's not anything to fear whatsoever. And it's every single person's death destiny out there who's living in the world of form. So the other thing we talked a little bit about is this thing called loss. And many of you who go on my website, which is just waynedyer.com, it's created by Hay House and all of the lectures and things that I do and a lot of the work that I'm about in my life is on that website. And I've put a letter out on there promoting people to help a man named Ram Dass who wrote Be Here Now. And Griswold the Mill and so many great books, who's had a stroke and is struggling in his own life and has had some loss. He received a letter, this man I love so much, received a letter from Steve and Anita who are the parents of a young woman, a young teenage girl. Her name was Rachel. In the film Fierce Grace, Anita, who is Rachel's mother, read this letter. Now it turns out that Rachel was was murdered and was raped, and it was a very devastating experience on her. But this letter that Ram Dass wrote to them is one of the most beautiful letters I've ever heard or ever experienced when it talks about loss. And so I'm going to read it here, and then we'll go to a break, and then we'll come back and we'll take some calls, not necessarily about this subject, but about any subject. And here's what the letter goes: Dear Steve and Anita, Rachel finished her work on on earth and left the stage in a manner that leaves those of us behind with a cry of agony in our hearts as the fragile thread of our faith is dealt with so violently. Is anyone strong enough to stay conscious through such teachings as you are receiving? Probably very few, and even they would only have a whisper of equanimity and peace amidst the screaming trumpets of their rage, grief, death, horror, and desolation. I can't assuage you, your pain, with any words, nor should I, for your pain is Rachel's legacy to you. Not that she or I would inflict such pain by choice, but there it is, and it must burn its purifying way to completion. For something in you dies when you bear the unbearable, and it is only in that dark night of the soul that you are prepared to see as God sees, and to love as God loves. Now is the time to let your grief find expression. No false strength. Now is the time to sit quietly and speak to Rachel and thank her for being with you these few years and encourage her to go on with whatever her work is, knowing that you will grow in compassion and wisdom from this experience. In my heart, I know that you and she will meet again and again and recognize the many ways in which you have known each other. And when you meet, you will know know in a flash what now it is not given to you to know— why this had to be the way it was. Our rational minds can never understand what has happened, but our hearts, if we can keep them open to God, will find their own intuitive way. Rachel came through you to do her work on Earth, which includes her manner of death. Now her soul is free, and the love that you can share with her is invulnerable to the winds of change, time, and space. In that deep love, include me. In love, Ram Dass. And I think that's as beautiful an expression of how you have to deal with some of the things that show up in our life that we just can't explain whatsoever. The losses, the struggles, the things that come and go, and particularly when people close to us are taken from us, whether it's violently or just just accidentally or as a surprise. And that's my take on loss and death here today.

Dr. Dyer, that was a beautiful letter. Did you say that that is in a book someplace?

It's in a DVD film called Fierce Grace, which is Ram Dass in his wheelchair as having had a stroke, talking to people about how to deal with the loss of his own mobility and his own ability to express himself. The way he used to be able to, and so on. The mother read that letter in there. I'm going to put it in my new book on inspiration. Dr.

Dyer, let's go right to a caller. I think we have Michelle on the line. Michelle? Yes. Welcome to the program. Hi. What's your question for Dr. Dyer today? Well, my question is: we recently, me and my two girls, have went through a move from Illinois to Colorado. I have a young girl who is 14. And she just finished her first year in high school and she's having a hard time. And I guess we all are because we miss it so much back there and everything is so new. I think we feel such a loss.

And— go ahead.

It just seemed like such a good idea at the time, but now I'm just wondering if we shouldn't go back.

Well, I can't give you the answer to that, but I can tell you to listen to your heart. Why did you decide to leave there?

Well, I'm divorced and their father lives in Colorado. He's lived here for the past 3 years. So partly so they could be closer to here, partly because— this sounds so silly, but I got to thinking that it seems like time's going so fast. And they're growing, and I don't— we lived in a very small town back there, and I just didn't think they would stay back there. So I kind of did it more for me. I had a good job offer. My family is out here because I'm from here, and, um, but yet it's so familiar back there. We lived there for 10 years, and that's really most of their life.

Right. Sometimes the thing that you have to really look at within your heart is whatever it was that motivated you to leave that familiarity and to move into this sort of unknown thing out there, if that is still operating for you in your life. I mean, the closeness to their father, the new environment, getting away from whatever it was that wasn't so pleasant. Appealing from a hindsight sort of viewpoint that you are taking. My suggestion is that you live in joy wherever you are. Right. Instead of commiserating about what it used to be when you were back in Illinois and thinking about all of that and just keeping that on your mind, is instead to begin to go into practice with living in the present moment. You know, being where you are, finding a sense of joy in everything, being in a state of gratitude, knowing that you always have the option. The option is always there. Fortunately, you live in a country where you're free to just move about and go wherever you want to go, and that the option to go back is always there. So, I mean, you can just do that in your mind and say, okay, but since we haven't done that, and certainly if we're not doing it today, and you know you're not leaving today, then I'm going to take today and I'm going to enjoy it. I'm going to look for as many things as I possibly can to find joy and peace and happiness and so on in the moment that I am. That's how you deal with homesickness, I think, more than anything else. Then ultimately, if you get to a point where you just say it's just too unbearable and I want to be back there, it sounds to me though that you would have done that already. There's got to be something holding you there other than just wanting your girls to become close to their father. There's something going on that you're not saying, it seems to me.

Well, I just, I don't know, I just have a feeling that it's the place to be, but I don't know why. And I, and I think if, if I feel that way, then why do I miss what I knew, you know, there? And I think what's making it hard is that she misses it so much, the children, right, right. And she had just finished her first year of high school and so she talks to her friends back there and she just really misses it.

Supposing you said to her that we are going back, do you think she would be happy then?

Yeah, I think she would go. I don't know if she would be happy because being back there when we were back there she wasn't completely happy.

So happiness isn't about— I always say there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. If you don't have happiness, happiness inside of you and you have to be able to bring it to Colorado or bring it to gardening or bring it to the new school that you're in or whatever. If she doesn't have that within her, then disrupting everything again and going back is just another prescription for letting forces outside of you determine where your happiness is going to be.

It is. Dr. Dyer, you have children, teenagers. I certainly do. How do you put that in them though?

Do you know what I mean?

Not put that in them, but that age is just so hard to—

I just, I don't honestly, Michelle, I don't think like that. I don't think it's that hard at all. I think the age for me, I have 8 children and I have teenagers now, 15 and 17 and 19 years old. For some of them leaving one school and going to another, we've had to do that on several occasions. Occasions it's very traumatic and then they get used to it and then we just move on. For others of them, they have a tendency to be very dramatic and to try to manipulate you with, "You're ruining my life and I'll never speak to you again and everything is just upside down because of you and the decisions you're making." I always tell them that you go to school because of the choices that you make and you have You have the right to either be happy or not to be happy at any moment. You have the opportunity to make your life joyful and so on or not. It's up to you. So don't impose that on me. Don't lay that on me. This is where we live. This is where I make a living. They've understood that. Right. I don't let those teenage emotional years and all of those changes be the things that control and dominate what I know to be the right thing for them and for my family.

Family or whatever. Right, right. I know, I think I've just been confused as if it's really the right thing, but you're right, we're having a hard time.

There's no answer to that. There is no answer to that. And the real thing, what this call is really about, because it's interesting, we're talking about loss and so on, is how you deal with the present moments of your life. Right. I had someone on the show a few weeks ago who was in Rwanda when she was a teenager and and was a hunted woman, people were trying to kill her, and she had to go within and find peace within herself by hiding in a bathroom for 91 days. I always tell my children, and I try to expose them to the kinds of things that are going on in the world that make their "problems" really seem not nearly as dramatic. It really does work, by the way. Them watch shows on— I often say just as we sit down to eat, we've just got to remember as we're sitting down to eat this wonderful meal that we have prepared for us that there are people, our brothers and sisters, someplace on the planet who are digging for worms and roots to try to stay alive today. So let's keep them in our prayers and in our consciousness and remind ourselves of how fortunate we are and how lucky we are. Because the biggest choice that your children have to make is whether they're going to live in a friendly universe or a hostile universe. And if they believe that they live in a friendly universe, then they're going to be looking for opportunities to extend that friendliness and that goodness and that love outward. If they believe that they live in a hostile universe, they're going to be looking for occasions to be offended. And there's no amount of your moving about and changing things that's going to get them to see that. They have to come to that awareness themselves. Themselves. Okay. Yeah, I remember Marianne Williamson talking about her father taking her to China and to Vietnam when they were young kids just so that they could see what was going on over there. So then she said, when we came back, our whole perspective changed. Yeah, it might be really good to take your children over to a place where there are drug addicts and things, or old people in a home, and let them just spend the day there. We have to take a break. Okay, thanks, Michelle. Great call. God bless you.

Yeah. You too. Bye. Thank you, Michelle. I really enjoyed how that call migrated from her move to the difficulty of raising her daughter and how to try and— yes, if you're raising 3 teenagers at once right now, you, you have a few things to say.

There's a great book about how to raise teenagers. It's called Get Out of My Life, But First Drive Me and Cheryl to the Mall. It really describes exactly what it's like to raise a teenager.

Daughter. That's a real book? Yes, a real book.

It's a very good one, by the way. Get out of my life, but first drive me and Cheryl to the mall.

I like that. We are going to go to Valerie now in New Jersey. Valerie, welcome to the program. Hi, thank you very much. Hello, Dr. Dyer. Hi, Valerie, how are you? Absolute pleasure. I'm sending light your way. Thank you very much for taking my call. My call is actually a relation— a call about relationship. I'm actually in relationship with a wonderful gentleman that I've known since I met, was my soulmate and the person that I'd one day marry. Ironically, or interestingly, I was introduced to him on the same day that my father passed away, and so there's an interesting connection between us, a very deep connection that we both acknowledged. But in the last month or so, we'd hit an impasse, and there was a real disconnect disconnect between us and not communicating and really reassessing the relationship. And at one point we decided to bring closure to it and then not, and we've kind of been in this back and forth. Interestingly, at the time of this season of silence that I called it, is when I got introduced— it was a time when I was praying and meditating and gotten introduced to your book, The Power of Intention, which I read, and then read Ask and It Shall Be Given. And one thing kind of flowed into another, and I'm in such a wonderful, wonderful place spiritually, and I thank you for that. My question is actually regarding meditation, however. It's, uh, when you have a sense of knowing, an absolute knowing about a relationship connection with someone, and you are meditating to manifest destiny, can you meditate with a specific name and person in mind, or is it better it's better to leave yourself more open, to allow, to not put so many limits on how the Creator will send it. That's the first portion of my question, and I think I may have kind of answered it because I have been meditating with him in mind, and sure enough, in a matter of days, we've begun communicating again. But I just wanted to know if I was going in the right direction with regard to that.

Well, I think you can meditate on on attracting virtually anything you want into your life. Be as specific as you want to be and you can have it show up. I think it is much more important in your desires to put your attention on the feeling behind what it is that you are asking for. Always keep that in mind no matter what it is. To ask to win the lottery, for example, or to ask to have a fantastic something happen at 4:15 in the afternoon on your timetable, but the universe doesn't work on your timetable. Your timetable comes from your ego and the universe's timetable comes from spirit, comes from God. There's a line in one of Jackson Browne's songs that says, "Creation reveals its secrets by and by." So if you live in New Jersey, well, about this time of year you start planting tomato plants, don't you? Right. Beautiful New Jersey tomatoes that are so wonderful. But you start seeing the shoots come up around about another month or so from now. You'll see them just shooting up from the ground. I mean, you can't get down on your knees and start tugging at them and say, "Look, I want some tomatoes today." The tomatoes will show up exactly on schedule when they are supposed to show up. I think the same thing is true of our relationships and all the people that are in it and so on. The key to manifesting, in my opinion is not so much in whether you put your attention on a specific thing and a specific person, but in becoming a vibrational match to what it is that you desire. And if you've read Ask and It Is Given, the wonderful book by Jerry and Esther Hicks— It absolutely is wonderful. Yeah, it is. I wrote the foreword to it, and I don't write forewords, so I mean, it's a book that I really recommend, and you can get that through Hay House. At any rate, one of the things that you learn is that— let's say your desire— I always I always go back to, if you can put a number on your desire, and the highest number, say, is 100. So on a scale of 1 to 100, your desire is to be what in this relationship with this person? What would it be? In a numerical sense? What is the highest desire that you have for this relationship with this particular person? What is your highest desire?

My highest desire is actually to have— such a spiritual connection and loving relationship that it—

That's okay. You don't need any more. That's perfect. So that's what you want. You want a loving, divine, spiritual, God-realized relationship, right? Yes. Okay, so that's at the top. That's number 100. Now let's look at what you've been offering up to that to match up to that. So that's a very spiritual— that's like a God-realized ambition and desire. But most of the things that we offer up to that are, "I don't know if it's going to work out. I'm looking at some of the things that I'm seeing that I don't like about this person. He isn't quite measuring up. We don't agree on this." You know what I'm saying? Before you know it, what you offer up to that number 100, that highest number that's possible in terms of your desire, are numbers around 15, 20, 25. So now you try to slide them over and you try to match up. How can you match a desire that is 100 with thoughts and energy and behaviors and feelings and worries and so on that aren't in harmony with that? And that's why things don't manifest, because the universe responds to what it is that you are putting out there. It's just called the law of attraction. So what you want to do is offer up to that consciousness that you desire thoughts and particularly feelings and behaviors that match that. So what is a matching thought to that? This person is divine. He's a creation of God. In a book I wrote a few years ago called "There's a Spiritual Solution to Every Problem"— I just jotted this down while I was listening to you, Tom. Valerie, right? Yes. Here are two tests for turning a relationship into something that's divine. It was written by Anthony DeMello. Number one, he says, try these two affirmations out. I am not really attached to you at all. I am merely deluding myself into the belief that without you I will not be happy. That's number one. And number two, and this is the hard one, I leave you free to be yourself, to think your thoughts, indulge your tastes, follow your inclinations, behave in ways that you decide are to your liking, and I will still love you unconditionally. That's beautiful. Yeah, and it's tough.

It is, and it's interesting that you said that because recently he had communicated with me that he was not sure, you know, where he was with the relationship. And that's exactly what I did give to him. I said, you know, I love you enough to let you go and find your way. And sure enough, you know, he came back and we're just progressing a day at a time, and that's where I'm taking it. And one thing that I did want to add, I know that you said before that the music is often made in the silence between the notes. Right.

And I find that all the music, by the way, that's right, not often, all the music, it's the silence between the notes that makes the music. It's out of the silence that all things are created. That's how God creates and that's how we create.

And I'm finding that in love relationships it's nice to have the warm fuzzies and the together time, but a lot of times your love is developed in those quiet times, in those seasons of what may appear to be discord. In the seasons where you are stretched. I am finding that. It is an awesome journey and I am very excited about what the future holds.

I just finished a book just the other day. It is a little book that will be out next year. It is called "Being in Balance." One of the chapters— there are 9 of these chapters— one of these chapters is called "Love is What's Left Over When Falling in Love Fades Away." Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah, so it's like falling in love is like gaga, you can't keep your hands off each other, you can't get enough sex, you can't get enough of holding the person's hand, snuggling up to them, bringing flowers, all those wonderful things. But that fades, that fades in everything. You just can't keep bringing flowers, it costs too much, smells too much, whatever it might be. But love is what's left over, and I saw a little boy giving comment about when he was asked what love was. He was only 4 years old. He said, love is what's in the room when you're opening your Christmas presents. If you stop and look around and see what's in the room.

Oh, how about that? That's wonderful.

Yeah, if you stop thinking about yourself and just say this. So there's love, you know, lovers come and lovers go, but love remains. And it's the— and that's what you have to be. Be the love, because that's what God is, the love. And he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in me. Me and I in him. That's what God realization is. Wonderful. Great call.

Thank you very, very much. Yeah, thank you.

And great, have enjoyed New Jersey. And watch for those tomatoes, but wait till August till they get—

Okay, thank you. Okay, God bless you.

Bye-bye. All right, let's go to Rod now in New York City. Rod, welcome to the program.

Hello. Hello. Hey, Dr. Dyer, how are you? I'm great, thanks. How are you, my friend? Very good. Bless you. Thank you, likewise. I, I had a comment. I I actually met you in New York when you— I had a chance to see you meet Immaculate at the Omega Conference. I came up and gave you some hugs and got a chance to tell you about my experience using your material to get through double neurosurgery on my spinal cord. I remember now, yes. Yeah. Inability to walk. After having been a very vibrant personal trainer and all-around sporting guy, I ended up with this extensive healing process which began with intense pain that would basically cause me to pass out. I mean, it went beyond words. I was fortunate enough to get a gift from some friends called 100 "101 Ways to Transform Your Life." Yes, indeed. It was a goodie and that kind of introduced me to you. I had Louise Hay's version as well and I would play you guys back to back over and over. I just used it often enough to try and get over what was for me a tremendous loss of mobility. I had to go into a wheelchair for a period of time. But you are not in a wheelchair now, are you? No, thank heaven. But it was hard to see my way out of such an experience between the pain and the despair. Depression took over. It was very frightening and a terrorizing time for me, but as I laid in my bed healing while watching the seasons change. I'd have the material on and I charged on it. I just wanted to share that with the viewers that you can plug in and take yourself to another level just by riding that wave, you might say, and allowing yourself to transform. Thank you. I want to thank you again for that 101 ways. Right now I'm living in the power of intention as I take my train to see my clients nowadays because I am fortunate enough to have gone through the healing process. What work are you doing now, Rod? Right now I am able to train clients again. What I have done is I have kind of begun to take some of the material—I actually use some of your material to inspire my clients. Science now and incorporate health and wellness in terms of a physical aspect with the spiritual. I believe that is going to be like the new way— well, not the new way, but a way to channel, to allow us to take ourselves to a higher level physically and spiritually in the same level. I think so, too. Not only is it going to happen for individuals like that, but I really think that we are under another, bigger wave braver than that, with being able to do that all over the world, all over the planet, where we're going to create the kind of planet, the kind of relationships, the kind of peaceful, loving, God-realized place that we all came from. And it's only by going within. It's like it's only through a change in consciousness that we're going to transform the world. That's how you transformed your life. I'd love to take the credit for it, but it was all you and your relationship to God. And as you went there, and found that and discovered that, you realize that you don't have to offer up to a desire to be healthy again any energy that says, I can't do it, or it won't happen, or poor me, or I've been a victim, or whatever. And instead, what you offered up to it was a match to what it is that you intended to create. So you did it, Rod. I'm really, really proud of you. Dr.

Dyer, how are you doing?

I'm doing great, thank you.

How are you doing, Diane? Very good. I must say, you sound, uh, a little more energetic and, uh, you know, and up today. So that's great to hear.

Well, I had surgery, what they call, you know, psychic surgery or spiritual surgery, from this divine being who resides down in Abidania in southern Brazil. His name is John of God. Oprah, you know, did a whole show on him, and some very— some luminaries have gone down there. And I had a A dear friend, her name is Reina Piskova. She's a medical doctor. She's an eye surgeon in Madeira, California. And she, um, really wanted me to go down to Brazil there with her. She felt compelled. She has some kind of a connection. She's from Bulgaria, and, um, originally, and she's American now, has two daughters and lives there in California and is a prominent surgeon. And she's been down there two or three times, and she really wanted me to go, but I didn't I know why. I was writing and I didn't want to leave my writing. But she went down and she had photographs taken of me dressed in white with all different herbs that I was to be taking and so on. And he, John of God, I have a picture of him with her, and he had agreed to do the surgery. And I had, as I spoke about last week, I had just a profound experience of my body just I had to treat my body as if I had just come out of surgery because I had. And I didn't need to be told much longer because, you know, if you know me and you've heard me talk, I swim every day, I walk every day, I do yoga, I climb stairs, I lift weights. I mean, I try to stay in— yes, the best kind of shape. And I've been doing that for every day of my life since I was in my 20s or early 30s, and that's about 40 years or so. So to not be active but it didn't make any difference. I couldn't do anything. I slept for something like 36 hours. I started to detoxify my body, and all of this happened as a result of that. Then a week later, which was Wednesday after I had done the show, is what they call removing the sutures. And, um, I had an— just an experience that night in the middle of the night. It took place at midnight. I had this special water that was there. I'd taken these special herbs and so on, and I was told that these entities would come and remove the sutures and that I would begin the process of healing. Now I just, you know, there's still, there's a part of me that is just still skeptical about those kinds of things. It's the ego part of me. My spirit says everything is possible with God. All things are possible. This is John of God, and this man lives as God. I mean, he takes no money for anything that he does. He's available for any people that come from anywhere around the world, and people do. Like I say, Oprah did an entire hour show, went down there, and nobody has been able to find anything that is incorrect about it. A prominent Harvard surgeon was down there, just couldn't explain what was taking place medically and so on. So that night, last Wednesday night, about 11 o'clock at night, I went to bed, and I had just purchased a watch 2 days before, and it was actually quite an expensive watch that my daughter insisted that I get. It's called a Panerai, and it has a 10-day power supply on it, and then that's supposed to be guaranteed to never lose a second. And I'd been wearing it about, oh, 5 or 6 days. And it was, it was just, it was a beautiful watch. And it has this, it's an automatic watch, but it, uh, it has a 10-day power supply on it. When I got up, uh, the next morning after the suture removal, my son and my daughter both looked at me and said, what have you been doing in there? Were you doing drugs or something? Because I had tiny, tiny little pupils in my eyes. My eyes were just all watering. And I looked, a friend of mine called me at 8:25 and she said, so how did it go? You were supposed to get up at 7. I said, well, it's only 5 after 7. And she said, no, no, it's 8:25. I'm at the airport and I'm catching a flight over to Honolulu. I said, no, no, it's 7:05. I'm looking right at my watch. You must have it wrong. And I had lost an hour and 20 minutes during the night. That's what my watch, this brand new, guaranteed, perfect watch, had just lost an hour and 20 minutes, 80 or 81 minutes. And I was just like befuddled by that, that how could that happen? And when I talked to Reina about it, she said the electromagnetic field of these healings and these teachings is so much more powerful than the electromagnetic field in your room. And you had the watch on you, it would have caused it to stop. Again, part of me says I understand that, but they've done a test on the electromagnetic field in Abidânia down there in Brazil. And it's different than any place else in the world. I didn't think again too much about it, although the watch stopping and the way that I looked in the morning when my kids thought that I was, you know, sneaking away in my room doing drugs of some kind. But, and I felt so different. I just felt just so peaceful and so happy. And basically, Diane, I just felt just pure, complete love. I mean, there was nothing that I looked at that wasn't love. I mean, I, I would look at a tree and I just I just wanted to embrace it. Every child, when I went for a walk, and it was the first day I had gone for a walk in 8 days because I had been doing nothing but resting, or 7 days. And this is just like this overwhelming sense of love that I still feel right up to this moment. But it was very, very powerful at that. So about 2 days later, I reset the watch and it kept perfect time and everything. And I set it on the counter, went for a swim, came back again. It lost exactly the same amount of time, an hour and 20 or 21 minutes. Minutes. I did it twice. So I decided I was taking the watch back. Wow. And I went back to the— I went back to the jeweler, and they said, well, they've never heard of that. These Panerais are guaranteed. And it's like, we'd never— but they exchanged it. I got a different one. And, um, actually, I saved quite a bit of money because it was— the one I got was also a Panerai, but it wasn't that 10-day power supply and so on. And I've been wearing this one, and I've also been back to the jeweler each day to see if anything happened to the watch, and it's now keeping perfect time again. But that's— I called Reina Sunday. This is Monday. This was yesterday morning. She went and she has a Mercedes car that she was going up into the mountains with her two daughters. They're looking for a place. And she left me a message and a picture of her clock on her car, and it had lost an hour and 21 minutes on her clock and her Mercedes. And she said, this is the clock that has never lost or gained a moment. So something very intriguing and bizarre had happened there, and I'm still in the process of sort of detoxing and experiencing that. And I'm now doing— I'm writing this book, and all of this is happening while I'm writing it. And I've been talking about, uh, you've— I don't know if you've heard me talk about orbs. Have I talked about them here on the show, about these images that appear in photographs? No, but I mean, I've seen that.

I've experienced—

Hay House has a book book called Orbs. It's a fascinating book, and there's, I think, 69 or 70 photos in there. And I didn't even realize this because I had sent a copy of this book to Raina, because for the last, oh, 3 or 4 months, whenever I've spoken in these audiences— when I was in— more than that, since last summer in Australia, I was there in August— people would come up and show me photographs that they had taken of me while I was speaking And these gigantic orbs, and then some of them there'd be 20 of these orbs all around my— in the photograph, in some people's cameras. And on a few occasions when I was doing some therapy, there was one woman that was pretty grossly obese, about 350, 400 pounds, and I had put my arms around her and I was looking into her face and explaining and talking to her about how she was going to change this and so on. Out, and there's a huge gigantic orb right in front of me. Then I spoke in Vancouver, and people took pictures of myself and myself and my daughter singing this song, Let It Be, and these beautiful big orbs that look like they almost have faces in them have been appearing in photographs. So I've been intrigued by that, and I sent that book down to Reina, and 4 of the pictures that are in that book— that I didn't even have any idea of this— were from John of God when he was doing surgery down there and at Abidanya and so That's again a book that if you're interested in it, and or if you have photographs and if anyone has taken photographs of me speaking and you see these orbs in there, I'd like to see them because I've got about 6 or 7 of them and I'm going to put them in this book because the chapter that I'm writing now is the last chapter of the book and it's about opening yourself up to all possibilities and realizing that, you know, there's nothing out there that is impossible if you know that. It's like it says in the New Testament with God. But all things are possible. And of course, that leaves nothing out. And it's just intriguing that this is all coming at a time when I was going to tell 3 stories. One of the stories is the story of the orbs that have been taking place and how they just seem to be surrounding me now when I'm speaking, especially when I'm speaking about this new God consciousness, this new realization that God is within each and every one of us and that we are all pieces of God. The fact, in fact, that we are all God. And it's who we are. It's not these bodies, it's the spirit that we are. And as I've been speaking about that, suddenly— and these orbs never showed up before— so I was going to tell that story, and I was going to tell the story of going down and John of God and this, like, this invisible healing that is taking place and what has happened in my body, what seems to be happening. And also another woman, her name is Mira Kelly, she's an attorney and she's in New York, and she came to Maui and, um, and did a past life regression with me. And I'm not going to talk about that this week, but perhaps on a future show I'm going to talk about some of the things that happened when I was under and in this almost coma state. And she recorded it, and I have the, uh— and she's another woman from Bulgaria. And also the book that I've been referring to a lot is from a Bulgarian transcendent master named Mikhail Ivanov. So 3 people from Bulgaria, and then I find out, Reina tells me that the word Bulgaria, the original word Bulgars, means not of this world or not of here. So all of that has been taking place.

That is really amazing. That's so interesting. And I like that you said that you're, you know, you were skeptical but you're open. It's so interesting that you're being taught through your experience, you know, like you counsel so many people and and you tell them, you know, with God all things are possible. And now it's really— things are really happening.

Well, for some reason I have been assigned the task of taking very complicated things, and, um, in my whole lifetime, in all of my professional writing, and making them available. Like self-actualization, when Maslow explained it to the masses— I mean, to the academics, uh, in the world with his Toward a Psychology of Being— it's almost as if he said to me, now you explain it to the cab drivers. He passed away on the very same day that I received my doctorate in on the 17th of June in 1970. And quantum physics, this thing that I know something about but not a lot— I'm not a physicist and that kind of a scientist, but I've been able to make that world of the, of the subatomic world sort of accessible to people. And, and with spirituality in my books, on taking Saint Francis's work and making that available. And now with God realization and higher consciousness, it just seems that it It's that these things like with the watch and with Reina's clock and with these kinds of miracles that are just occurring where there's— and Reina keeps saying to me over and over again, stop being surprised, stop being surprised, just accept this. She said, this is real. I've been down there several times. I know I've been with him. I've had surgery myself. And my continuous thing is, yes, but I need to be surprised because I, for some reason, when I get out there to speak about this and to write about this I need to be able to overcome the skepticism that so many people are going to have as I speak about these things and how they are impacting my life in such a big way. Not for me and not for this ego, not for my body or whatever, but because these teachings, I think, really need to be promulgated. And that leads me into the— and I've always known that the kinds of experiences that I go through in my life, whether it's with my wife leaving or whether it's with living in an orphanage as a child, whether it's with getting leukemia or having heart disease, you know, whatever I shouldn't be having such a thing because of the lifestyle I lead and so on. And all of these kinds of things have been just almost the grist for the mill of the teaching that I'm here to do and to let the world know for some reason. And it leads me into the thing that I really wanted to speak just a few moments about before we take calls this morning, is that yesterday was really a historical day in American history, and it will go down at the 1st of May as the day that Osama bin Laden was killed. By our troops in, by the Navy SEALs in Pakistan. And when I was watching it, I came, I was writing all day, and then I came in and my daughter and my son, Sans and Serena, are here with me for a few weeks. Serena's writing her own book and Sans is here to be with me. And they were talking about it and they're watching the TV and this celebration was going on and so on. And they said, Dad, you're not, don't look very happy. And I said, well, I'm not. I said, this is not a cause for celebration. And I sat them down and I said to them, look, I said, when I wrote the book Change Your Thoughts, Change Your Life, and I said, I didn't just write a book about the Tao Te Ching. I lived it for an entire year. I lived each one of those 81 verses, which is the same number of minutes that my clock stopped, and which in my past life regression, I was right there with Lao Tzu or as Lao Tzu. This number 81 just seems to be cropping up a lot, either 81 or 18 in And both of those numbers mean one infinite source. You know, 8 is infinity, 1, or 1-8, one infinite source. But this number 18 in Yiddish, or in Hebrew rather, means life, you know, Chaim. And you'll see that number appearing a lot in spiritual literature. And I said to them, I lived the Tao, I lived each one of those 81 verses, and I took out the Tao Te Ching and I read to them a little bit of the 31st verse, which I want to share with the audience today and why I don't consider this a cause for celebration. I understand it, but I think we're challenged spiritually with some of our principles, and there are two of them that I want to speak about here a bit this morning. One is out of the Tao, and in the Tao it says, weapons are the tools of— this is the 31st verse— weapons are the tools of violence. All decent men detest them. Therefore, followers of the Tao never use them. Arms serve evil. They are the tools of those who oppose wise rule. Use them only as a last resort, for peace and quiet are dearest to the decent man's heart, and to him even a victory is no cause for rejoicing. He who thinks triumph beautiful is one with a will to kill, and one with a will to kill evil shall never prevail upon this world. It is a good sign when man's higher nature comes forward, a bad sign when his lower nature comes forward. With the slaughter of multitudes, we have grief and sorrow. Every victory is a funeral. When you win a war, you celebrate by mourning, by mourning. And that's what I was doing. I was mourning because it shows It shows that we still, as a people, we haven't figured out— Lao Tzu wrote those words 2,500 years ago. He lived in ancient China in the time of the Warring States, and he was just so fed up with people killing each other and raiding villages and all of these kinds of things, which were a big part of that past life regression that Mira Kelley came and did with me. And when you remember when the World Trade Centers went down and 3,000 people were killed, and they showed pictures of people, the Muslim people around the world celebrating, you know, and we were just so outraged that how could anybody be cheering? And what we sometimes forget is that we use that experience, that experience of the World Trade Centers going down, which was a horrible experience. Of course it was. I knew people. There was a woman that I dearly loved who was on that plane that flew into the World Trade Center. But we use that experience as an excuse to go into a country that had nothing to do with it and bomb it and kill over 150,000 innocent people, you know, occupying this country and the endless deaths that we've— and now we— they look at us on television seeing everybody putting their faces in the mirror and going USA, USA and celebrating another death. And they think that we are the great Satan, just like we think that they are the great Satan. And, you know, each of us have our own shame about the kinds of things that we have done. And if you want to see how we got into that war in Iraq, watch a film that I watched the other night called Fair Game with Sean Penn and Naomi Watts. And it tells the story of exactly how we went into that country knowing, knowing they did not have weapons of mass destruction yet. Yet we still decided to go in there and occupy and fight and drop bombs on villages and kill people after people after people. As it says so brilliantly in the Tao Te Ching, every victory is a funeral. When you win a war, you celebrate by mourning. And my daughter was saying to me, well, what do you do? I said, well, all of these people that you see celebrating on television and looking into the cameras and being so happy, and the interviewers and everybody is just so thrilled with this wonderful victory. I said, they call themselves Christians. And I just put this in my last chapter, in chapter 9 of my book, which will be out later this year or early next year, called Wishes Fulfilled. It's the words of Jesus, and it's from the book of Luke, Luke 6:32-36. Let me just share this with you Because when it comes time to practice what Jesus was really saying, in the hardest of times, we don't do that. We seek out revenge and we seek out hatred, and we act from that, uh, that place that Lao Tzu called the low people. It is, uh, is one with a will to kill instead of a will to love and forgive. And in this passage from Luke, Jesus says, if you love those who love you What virtue lies in that? Even the morally weak love those who love them. And if you are good to those who are good to you, what virtue lies in that? Even the morally weak do that. Love your enemies. Be good to them. Share with them without expecting anything in return. Then your reward will be rich, and you will be sons of the Most High. He is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. It. Be compassionate like your father. And Lao Tzu, 500 years, 600 years before that, said the man of Tao is kind to the kind and kind to the unkind, because kindness, because kindness is his nature. And that's where we have to go. And that's why I believe these teachings are coming to me and what is happening to me in my life right now. Is for me to have kindness as my nature, and to be kind not only to the kind and the ones who are nice to me, but to the unkind, to the evil, to the, to the people who see us as the great Satan, and we see them as the great Satan. Somehow, ultimately, we as a people, if we're going to survive, have to figure out what Jesus was speaking about, what Lao Tzu was speaking about, and to at least, if we take a victory and And I am not opposed to them going in and capturing Osama bin Laden, nor am I even opposed to the way that they did it. But the idea that this is a reason for celebration, to me it's a reason for mourning. We have still demonstrated why Lao Tzu left the villages and left the walled city and went off on his oxen to live alone in nature, because he was just saying that war and using weapons is not what people looked out to.

No, and we do have to move beyond that eye-for-an-eye mentality, and something you said, I think it was on last week's show, "A bad man is a good man's teacher," and that stuck with me after I heard you say that. And yeah, I was down at the beach yesterday, and there was, you know, people coming up to me, "Have you heard?" and they're high-fiving me, and I was like, "What? What?" I didn't know what happened. So I looked on my phone and, you know, and saw the news, and yeah, I mean, it just was kind of ringing a little hollow that there was all this celebration when you know, what now? Is there going to be more, more killings, you know? Yeah, even with him not being there, you know, right?

And there will be. And as long as we are doing these kinds of things, it's like— it's like if you understand violence, you know, it's like the dandelions. Remember the dandelions when they used to grow up and all those fuzz balls that were on the top of them? Sure. You go out there with violence and you take— let's say you take the back of your shovel and you just start slapping them and hitting them and hitting them harder and harder and harder What happens is in the spring you have way, way, way more of the dandelions growing because when you use violence you just promote more of that. But when you gently go through and remove them, you remove that. And that's what we need to do. Okay. I just wanted to say that. So after— going on. Yes.

And we will go to calls. Some great people lined up here waiting to speak with you. I'm so glad you mentioned what you spoke about. Today. Very, very powerful. Dr. Dyer, just, you know, listening to what you were saying in the last segment and kind of thinking about that over the break, just, you know, we really are on the cusp or a shift of a major transition. Just everything that's been going on over the past few months and then now this latest thing with Osama bin Laden, it's really an amazing time to be on the planet right now, I think.

It is. There's 6 or 7 billion of us and we're divided just like we are in Congress between the Republicans and the Democrats where we We just can't figure out a way to get anything done because all we do is just carp at each other and try to make the other person look bad and make themselves look right. And on the planet, we've got this major divide as well. And we really, if we don't figure it out, in my estimation, if we don't figure it out, then life on this planet just simply will not be allowed to flourish any longer. It will end. It will be the road, if you've seen the road Cormac McCarthy's wrote a great book which was one of the most intriguing things I ever read about what the world would look like after a nuclear holocaust. We must figure this out, that the answer still is in love, not in celebrating other people's demise.

Absolutely. Well, we've got some great callers stacked up here from all over the place. Really interesting calls today. So, uh, Let's start off in Hong Kong, which seems like an interesting place to go. Anita on line 2.

Oh my goodness, I think I know who this is. You do?

Is this Anita? Yes, it is.

I couldn't resist calling you. This is another miracle.

This is Anita M., the woman I've talked about on this show so many times, who's now going to become a Hay House author, who had her near-death experience. I listened to your radio interview there. Oh my goodness, you were sent to me by Mira Kelley, the one I just talked about who did the past life for— Oh my God, how are you?

I'm very well. I can't believe I'm talking to you. I'm thrilled. I am, uh, I just love you.

I know what you did on that near-death experience. I am, uh, you're gonna—

You signed with Hay House now, is that right?

You're going to become a Hay House author? Yes, yes, I am so happy. I'm, you know, I'm I'm going to write the foreword to your book if you would like me to do that. And, um, and I want to bring you to America and put you on my public television special so that you can tell the world about what happened when you had 36 hours to live and were told that you had lymphoma all throughout your body. And you had this experience. Tell my audience, I'm so honored to have you here. Tell my audience a little bit about what happened with that experience. It just blows me away. I'm just sitting here. This is like a miracle of miracles, even that Diane would take your call. I didn't know you were on the line, Diane. You just picked up. You can't even— you've heard me speak about this.

No, and it's funny when you had— that you recognized the caller. I just saw Anita from Hong Kong, and I just thought it would be cool to go to Hong Kong. That's great. Anita, tell—

I want to— I think I might take the rest of the show with this, or at least another 10 minutes or so.

So tell my audience what happened and what your experience was. You've said it so beautifully in what you had wrote about. I can't wait to see your book. I just, I'm so happy about this. Thank you.

I'm really thrilled to speak to you. Well, what happened to me was that I had cancer. I had lymphoma which spread throughout my body and it spread like from the base of my skull, you know, all over the lymph nodes, all over my neck and my body, under my arms, everywhere, all the way way down to my abdomen were all swollen. In fact, I had tumors. I was told that I had tumors the size of lemons all through my body. And I had cancer for about 3 years and 8 months. It seemed to go up and down in between, because I was practicing Ayurveda, and then it would get better, but then it would come back. Especially, I notice now looking back at the pattern, that when I used to be really, really fearful, that's my health would get weaker. But about in the end of 2005, around December 2005, I went and had a full body scan and the doctor told my husband— they didn't tell me, but the doctor told my husband that I only had about 3 months at best at that time. By that point, my muscles had already deteriorated. I was confined to a wheelchair and I had open skin lesions. And by February 2nd, 2006, I was on oxygen. You know, I had an oxygen tank and I was being cared for at home by a full-time nurse. But on February 2nd, the morning of February 2nd, 2006, I went into a coma. So my husband, he was freaking out and he called the doctor and the doctor said to rush me to the hospital right away. When I got to the hospital, the doctors said that it was over, that it was too late, that these were my final hours and I probably wouldn't come out of the coma at all. And that was when I— go ahead.

No, I, I— you, you speak so eloquently, I don't even want to interfere You, uh, but you died. I mean, you essentially, um, went into what we call an NDE, but, um, your body just shut down and you were— and while you were in the coma, you were hearing things and seeing things at this time. Tell my audience about this.

Yes, I could hear and see everything that was going on around me because the doctors had told my family that my organs had already shut down and basically I had died. And they said, although my heart was still beating, but I had died, that there was nobody in there. But I was aware of everything that was going on around me, everything that the doctors were saying, everything that they were doing, the needles that they were poking into me. They were telling my husband that I had fluid in the lungs, and they said that— and then, even though, you know, I was like in a coma, my breathing was quite labored and I was on oxygen, so the doctor even stuck a needle into my back to remove some fluid. And I remember of every single thing, and including— I became aware of things beyond my body. I was aware of my brother getting on a plane who was just coming to see me, and I then started to become aware of my father who had passed away 10 years before that. I was aware that he was around me. My best friend who I'd lost to cancer, she was there, and I could sense that they had been around me. This whole time while I was ill. And then I started to understand, I started to understand why I had the cancer and I started to understand that it wasn't my time and I had a choice of whether I wanted to come back into my body or to continue into death. At first, I didn't want to come back into my body because my body was just so sick And it was so amazing on the other side. It was— there are no words to describe it, and I still get a bit tearful when I think about it because there's just no words to describe it. It's like this unconditional love and this— you feel this clarity of like, you know why you're here, what your purpose is, why you've come into this planet. That's how I felt. I felt like I just understood. I understood everything, my purpose for this life, why I got the cancer, and then I seemed to understand that if I chose to go back to my body now that I understood, then I wouldn't have the cancer anymore. If I chose to go back and live, the cancer wouldn't be there in my body because now I understood why I even had the cancer.

Yes. You said something about, um, that you realized that that you— not only do we have a physical body, but we have like an energy body or a spiritual body, and that the illnesses that show up in our bodies are preceded by these. And if we could heal this energy body or the spiritual body, if we could heal that, then that would take care of the physical body. And that there was a sense that, um, that you knew that you could do this, and when you returned to your body, that it would no longer have cancer, something to that effect. Is that correct?

Yes, that's exactly correct, because I became fully aware when I was on the other side that the cancer in the body— it's not the body, it's the cancer is actually caused because we energetically, we don't realize the amazing magnificence of who we truly are. At least I didn't realize who I truly am. You know, basically I am a part of God, and we all are. We are all God, but I didn't realize it. I was going through the planet as if I wasn't, as if I was just this physical human being. But when I realized what I had access to, when I realized the energy, the power that was behind me, I realized that it was just blocking that— not being aware of that or blocking that off is what can cause your body to manifest all kinds of things. But, the awareness of who I truly am, if I am aware of that, then my body will also reflect that.

Do you also think that—

Illness doesn't start at the body. Go ahead. Yes, I was just going to say that illness doesn't start at the physical body. It starts at a much deeper level, and that's the only level we need to work with, because if we just work with the physical body, we're only dealing with the symptoms, and the physical body is just sending us signals or messages with these symptoms to tell us that there's something deeper going on that we have to work with.

You said something very profound in that.

I mean, That thing that you sent me, I've had it copied, oh, maybe 50 times. Each one of my children has it, and I've talked about it on this show. I quoted it in my book. I mean, words that you just used, I've already put directly into the book and quoted you from it. But you said that one of the interviewers asked you about past lives, and you said that it didn't seem like there was any past. That there was— can you talk a little bit about what that was like, that, that experience of no time? And that was you I think you used the word parallel lives rather than past lives.

Yes, I was brought up to believe in past lives and reincarnation because my parents are Hindu and that's what I was brought up to believe. But when I was in the other realm and it seemed as though everything was happening simultaneously, I was aware of other lives with my brother and with my husband. And my husband and I are very close, but it didn't seem like past lives. It seemed as though it was happening simultaneously, but it seemed like everything was happening simultaneously. So when I came back into my body and I started to recall and started to talk about it, it was very difficult putting things into sequence because it felt as though when we're on the other side, there's no time, or time is not linear. It's like everything's happening at the same time, including what we call past lives. It's as though while we're expressing here through our physical bodies, we put things into linear time with our minds. Our minds need to do that so that we can understand, and it makes things more coherent or manageable for us. Our mind filters things, and we actually process everything one point of time at a time and create linear time. Time, but on the other side it doesn't feel like that at all. It feels as though everything is happening at once, and even— it's as though we are aware of everything that's happening all around us. It's not like you turn your head when you're in your physical body and you look at something and you can focus on something. It's not like that. It's like you're aware of everything that's happening around you at all time and all all around you.

And what role does love play in this? Did you hear me speak the first half hour of the show? Were you listening?

Yes, and I completely agree with you. You know, it's interesting because even when I heard that Osama bin Laden had been killed, I was thinking something very, very similar. I was thinking that the world is rejoicing, but I'm not sure it's something to rejoice about because all we did is perpetuate more killing. And that's what I was thinking.

Really? And you said something like when you came back that the great lesson that you learned from this experience— and then we'll talk about your healing— was to treasure your own magnificence and the magnificent— those were your words— to treasure your magnificence and to realize that you are pure, pure love. Did you feel that when you were like experiencing like the doctors, for example? I remember you saying you could hear the doctors actually actually talking about, you know, that you weren't going to survive this and all this. You could literally— but you felt love for them rather than disdain or worry or anger or—

Yes, I felt love for everyone, even the— every single doctor, everybody. I just somehow it was like I became them. It was like I understood that they were all doing— it's not a feeling, it's like I became one with them and I could feel what they were feeling. They were feeling they had to do something and they were doing what they knew best how to do and their intention was good. It's like suddenly you can feel everybody's intention, not what they're actually doing, not the end result, but their intention. And I could feel what everyone was feeling, every nurse that came in, everything. I just— everything— when I came out of it, everything just looked so beautiful It was like I was viewing the world and viewing everybody for the first time.

That's what I've been talking about, and it's happened for me in the last, I don't know, the last 6 months, 8 months or so. There's nothing that I can look at. I can look at the wall and just love the wall. I mean, I can look at a vacuum cleaner and love a vacuum cleaner. It's just such an amazing— Do you know who John of God is? Have you heard of John of God down in Brazil?

I hadn't until you spoke about him. This is the first I've heard of him, and he sounds amazing.

Yes, it's the same kind of thing. How long were you, um, were you in the coma? How long were you, uh, quote, uh, in that NDE or literally dead?

About 20 hours. It was overnight. It was— I went into the hospital one morning on February 2nd and started to come out of it the next morning on February 3rd.

And you had been told that you had— I mean, your husband had been told that you had maybe another day or so at the very at the most. Is that correct?

At the most, yeah. The doctors said that I wouldn't even make it through the night because my organs had now shut down and this was the final stages. And, um, and it's written in my medical file as well that they've informed the family that this is the end.

Okay, so there were like literally—

to use you— there were billions and billions of cancer cells in your body and it was shutting down. All right, and then you awoke and tell us then, you know, in the last 5 minutes or so, what happened after that and what's going on now? Why are you talking to us now?

Why are you alive?

Well, I know one of the reasons you're alive is because your story is aligned with me. You are so aligned with me. I really feel like I know you. I don't know if you even know who I am or what I had done, any of my work before this.

I do. I'm a fan of yours. It's funny because I do know who you are. I think you're amazing. I was thrilled when I got the email. I feel that, you know, I mean, this is— my purpose was probably to meet you, because what happened is that it was my birthday 6 weeks ago, and on my birthday day is when I got the email from Hay House saying that you had pointed them to my story. And when I looked at that email and it said that, you know, if I was to publish a book, that Hay House wanted to help me, and I looked at the email and I started crying. And I couldn't believe it. I'm still thrilled I'm talking to you.

While I was reading that, I thought, this is a story that the world has to know. I predict that you're, um, you know, it is— it's not as about selling books, it's not about that— is that you are going to be one of the emissaries, uh, like I think I have been selected to, to really show the world that, you know what, I sent your story to my mother. My mother is 95 years old on April 21st, and I sent that to her. And she thinks about death a lot because she's in a place— she's in an assisted living center where she sees people, you know, they're alive one day and they're not the next, and she wonders about it. We talk about it. I sent her that. She has had nothing but peace since she read that. My sister-in-law, who had a similar experience to you in 1971, was in a head-on collision and watched them working on her body. She just said this confirms everything that had happened to her. You have helped so many people just through that, just through me. But what your message is going to be to this world is we have to love each other. And when we do, that's really what it means to live God consciousness. It doesn't mean to recite the right words and go to church on Sunday. It's to live it. So you came back because our time is going to be running out. you came back, you awoke, and what happened? Tell us.

Well, when I came back, I was euphoric because it's like I had this awakening, although I was a bit groggy, and for the first couple of days, I didn't— it was like I had one foot on each side. I was getting things confused. I was talking, and everyone was really surprised that I even woke up. I woke up, and when the doctor came in to see me, this was the oncologist that I had never seen before. My own doctor hadn't come in yet, and the doctor came in— this was the one at the hospital who'd never seen me before except when I entered as a coma— and he walked in, and I said to him, "Good morning, Dr. Chan." And he said to me, "How do you know my name?" And I said, "Aren't you the one that was there when I entered the hospital?" And he said, "Yes, but you've been in a coma." And I said, "Are you sure?" Now, I didn't even realize I'd been in a coma because I was so aware of everything that was going on around me. And I said, "But you're the one that put the needle in my back and took the fluid out of my lungs." And he said, "You remember all that?" He was visibly very, very surprised and, you know, and then he was also surprised that I had come out of the coma. So— but I was still weak and lying down and so then when he left the room, I started to say to my family like, "Why was he so surprised?" and he's the one the one that said to you— he said— then I said to my husband, he's the one that said to you that these are my last hours, that I'm not going to make it through the night. Isn't he the one that said that? And my husband said, how did you even hear that? He didn't even say that in front of you. He said it outside the room, down the corridor. And I said, really? And so then it all started to come out slowly, and, um, I was still very, very weak, but in about 48 hours or so, they were like removing the oxygen and then they started to take out the food tube and I wanted to sit up and I was feeling really euphoric because— if I describe the feeling specifically, it's deeper than just loving everything. It's realizing that you are love and it's— for me, it was like a new realization. I'd never known that before. I used I used to think that I had to learn to be loving to other people and would always judge myself. Am I loving enough? Am I not loving enough? But being in that experience, what I realized is that I am love. I cannot not be.

How can I? I quoted that in my new book, those words that you just said. So, in 6 months or so, what happened? Were you cancer-free? Did— how did the doctors explain it?

I was, yes. Well, what they did was that after I came out of the NDE, after every test that they did after the NDE, they could not find any trace of cancer. They would not believe there was no cancer, so they continued to give me drugs, but they did a little bit.

Anita, I just got a notice we just have a minute left.

Where are you today? Is your body cancer-free?

Yes, it is. It's completely cancer-free.

You know, I'm, I'm doing— I don't know if you've heard, or look on the website— I'm doing a— taking a group of people to Lourdes, Assisi, and Medjugorje. If there's any possibility that you and your husband could get on that trip, it's June 19th to the 29th. I'd love you to be on it. I have to close out. I'm so sorry. This has been the greatest show I've done in 5 years. Thank you for calling. I can't Can't wait to meet you and write your forward and have you on my PBS show and tell the world about you. I love you.

For some more incredible Wayne Dyer videos, check it out right there next to me.

I think you'll love them.

Continue to believe, and I'll see you there. Dr.

Dyer, tell me what has been going on, especially lately, the last couple weeks.

Something quite exciting? Yes, it is. It's so very fascinating. I've had the last 3 weeks—

I haven't been on the air.

They've been playing some repeat shows.