67. Healing Chronic Illness & Quantum Leaping With Energy Work: An Interview With My Coach - River Ayla

Welcome to the That Healing Feeling podcast. I'm your host, Faith Ashenden, founder and CEO of That Healing Feeling, where we show you how to become a self-healer of mind, body, and spirit through nervous system regulation. Join me and thousands of my other students as I dive into the world of neuroscience, subconscious programming, energetics, and radical self-love. In this podcast, you will learn that your body and mind are are meant to heal, and that under the right circumstances, we can experience miraculous healing by leveraging our own internal infrastructure. Let me guide you as we challenge preconceived notions and outdated narratives and dive into the empowering world of self-healing. My intention is that you leave this podcast full of hope and actionable tools. So without further ado, let's dive in. Hello and welcome back to the That Healing Feeling podcast. It's been a few months. I've taken some time to recalibrate and get clear on the vision for 2024 and come back bigger and better than ever. That's exactly what we've done, and I'm super excited for this episode to be the real kickoff episode of the power that we're bringing into 2024, that healing feeling. So today I'm bringing you my personal coach and shaman. Her name is River Alia, and I have been working with her one-to-one for probably 4 and a half months now. So I started working with her with Rapid Resolution Therapy, RRT, which I'm currently studying myself. And if you are a student of mine, you know that I actually have been using Rapid Resolution Therapy techniques in the Health Transformation Accelerator. We updated the last cohort with these techniques, and every time we launch, we put more and more RRT techniques in there. So it is truly, truly amazing and one of my favorite modalities. So I initially hired River to work on RRT with me, but then we decided to go full time together, meeting weekly, chatting daily, and really working on sharpening my intuition and just getting me completely in alignment to come back more powerful than ever in 2024. And she's really helped me do that in so many ways. Every goal that I've set out, I've achieved, and I'm excited to bring her here. I think that Rivers' perspective is really, really unique, and I just wanted to share it with you so that you can hear the way that she challenges so many of the narratives that are keeping us stuck in our day-to-day life. The way she works is the way that I teach in the sense that we really, in many ways, focus primarily on identity and beliefs and shifting that within the subconscious and unconscious. Now, of course, I do that in relation to chronic illness and anxiety, and River does that well in relation to pretty much anything you want. So I think it's a really fun conversation. I think hopefully you'll have some lightbulb moments. I always have lightbulb moments obviously, when I'm chatting with River, every time we have a session, I'm like, oh my God, duh, this makes so much sense. And it just completely transforms my reality. So honestly, I think we're going to have to have a part 2 because I feel like even in this conversation, when we shut off the recording, we just went on talking forever and ever and we were like, oh my God, there's so much more to say. We need to come back for part 2. So probably I will just ask you your questions for River after this podcast, and then I will bring her back on so we can answer those questions and really deep dive into any subconscious narrative you want to hear her challenge and help shift for you. So before we dive into the episode, I just want to give her a brief intro. She has a really compelling and interesting as well as impressive background that has come full circle and led her to where she is day. So River Alia is an energy recalibration alchemist who helps Type A achievers who feel like they've ticked all the boxes but still aren't satisfied redirect energy from self-sabotage, shame, and resentment to reinvent their most extraordinary life and align with the peace and freedom they desire. Trained in more than 30 healing modalities and the creator of the Akashic Reconciliation Method, and prismatic energy recalibration, River uses her background in business and psychology to facilitate bespoke efficient transformation. River is also an author, songwriter, traveler, former triathlete, and animal lover. All right, you guys, without further ado, let's dive in. All right, River, thank you so much for coming onto the podcast. Like, the first podcast I've recorded now in like 3 or 4 months.

Thanks for having me. I'm excited for this chat.

I'm really excited too because there's a lot of information I feel like you and I haven't actually talked about. Like, we've kind of brushed on it and I'm like, oh my God, this is so relevant to the community that I serve and to me, and I really want to know more about this, but we haven't had the opportunity. And so I love this idea of just having this organic conversation, but to the benefit of anyone who wants to just hear another testimony of healing and learn from your wisdom and, and all of that good stuff. Um, but I think also just as a like FYI to everyone, um, you know, obviously you and I have been working together now like 2 months. That's about 2 months too.

I thought more than that. I think maybe 3 months.

Yeah. And like what started as booking an RRT session, Rapid Resolution Therapy, um, has turned into so much more. And I know like some of that was talked about in the intro, but it's such a full circle moment because I remember trying to book a session with Dr. John Connolly and his time zone didn't work for me. And he was like, I recommend River, you should work with her. And I had no idea to, you know, what you actually had to offer and just had an idea to like schedule a call with you and ask you about it and And now we're here and it's just so cool how, how life works and how you have a relevant story. And I feel like almost everyone I talk to does that. It's like some sort of like chronic condition propelled them into their life's work and like what a blessing it was. And so can you just like start by telling us as much as you want to share a little bit about just like your your story, like initially, kind of before you got to where you are today, and, you know, when we can dive into all the wisdom you have to share now.

Sure. So first, what I want to say is, is I have a lot of stories, I have a lot of things that I could share and say, no, this is my one story, this is my spin. And I want to say that because I think that sometimes, you know, people who have had chronic illness or pain or something like that can get fixed to some kind of identity. And that's never who someone is, and that's never someone's entire story. So this is a story from my life, and it's, you know, there's, there's so many stories that I could tell, but for this one, basically I found myself at age 22, and I had just started what I considered my dream job. I was working in the music industry with all my heroes and It was so fast-paced. It was such a steep learning curve. It was drinking from the fire hose. And I didn't know if I would ever be able to work a full day because I was so sick that every day I didn't know if this was the day that they were going to fire me because I wasn't doing my job. Basically, I had spent about 6 months until I finally got a diagnosis. Because I went to this doctor and they said, oh, it's definitely not this. And then they said, well, let's do this really invasive exam to find out if it's this other thing. And it wasn't. So they're like, oh, I think it's the first thing that I said it definitely wasn't. And so went to a different doctor. And then they finally diagnosed me correctly and said, oh, well, there's nothing we can do. It's incurable. You're just gonna have to live with this the rest of your life. And what living with this meant, so they used the word, symptomatic. So I had a, I had a chronic illness that was really rare. At the time, I think it's a lot more well known now. But at the time, people didn't match it to someone like me. It's called gastroparesis. And what my symptoms were, was that I was vomiting for 5 hours a day, every day. So I was not taking in any nutrients. I had stage 4 adrenal fatigue, It just, it, it was really hard to just do basic functioning. So this doctor said, you're going to be symptomatic for the rest of your life. And I thought, no, that's not acceptable. That's not acceptable at all. No, I don't accept this endpoint. Absolutely not. And I was reading all these horror stories about, you know, people dying or being in the hospital on feeding tubes. And I thought, at 22? No, no, absolutely not. So then I saw another doctor who said, okay, well, we can get you this medicine, but we have to import it from Canada because it's not legal in the United States, and it could give you permanent muscle spasms. And I listened to that and thought, permanent? No, no, that's not what we're doing here either. And then before I left— so I took the medicine because I thought, okay, uh, I'll just order it just in case— but before I left, he looked at me and he said, people like you depress me. And I said, wait, what? And he said, because you're so young and you have so much potential and you have this horrible disease. And I was like, wait, do you want me to console you? Do you want me to make you feel better right now because you have to interact with me? It was just such a bizarre experience. And so I just decided that that wasn't my future. It wasn't my reality. And so I considered at that point that Western medicine had essentially given up on me. I went through the rounds, I went through a whole bunch of different doctors, and they didn't have some kind of solution that made sense to me. So went to Eastern medicine and hung out there for a while until the person that I was seeing stopped returning my phone calls. And I thought that was hilarious because I was like, you're a healer, you could at least break up with me. You could at least give me the courtesy to say no, I don't want to work with you anymore. I don't know how to help you. And I— because it wasn't working for me. I know it works super well for some other people, but it wasn't working for me. So I went to naturopathy and functional medicine, did all sorts of tests, took, you know, 20 supplements a day. And then I went to homeopathy and I went to holistic chiropractic. And I just kind of made the rounds as I think, you know, if you're like me, all of us kind of do what we can and try to find different straws. Oh, maybe this one will do something. And eventually found my way to energy work, which was not my go-to. It was not my first inclination. But I saw a holistic chiropractor who said to me, have you ever tried energy work? I think that would be really good for you. And I said, no, uh, that's not my thing. I'm not really interested in that, you know. I'm, I'm more interested in, in the practical, the tangible. That's not for me. But I thought, you know, I'm an adventurous person, I'll try anything once. So I went, and that is where I met the first shaman who trained me, who looked at me and said, you have a gift, let me train you. And I said, no thank you. And, uh, wore me down a little bit and eventually started working with this person for, for a while. And I would say that everything that I did, with the exception of uh, you know, all the ones that gave up for a while helped a little bit. So I'm not gonna knock anything, you know, I think that a lot of things have benefits. But for me to fully get into remission took a whole bunch of different things, and primarily I saw a lot of value in energy work. So now I keep doing a lot of different things and it kind of took me in a whole bunch of different directions because every single thing that I learned, I saw gaps and holes, people it wasn't reaching. So then I just kept learning other things and thinking, okay, how can I fill in those gaps and holes so that we can have some kind of approach that works for everyone? That, I mean, that's still my goal is looking for something that works for everyone. So patching in pieces together to, uh, find some kind of solution. So I guess the point of this whole story is that if someone's telling you no, something's not possible, something's incurable, because that's a word that I had, oh, this is incurable, just say, okay, thank you for your opinion. I'm gonna keep trying. I'm gonna keep doing something else.

And that's, I feel like, the motto of what we teach here at That Healing Feeling. Like, it literally is someone's opinion, and, um, it is just a matter of first and foremost, like, being able to get your head around that. And that's that platform that propels you to your healing. And I love this because I feel like so many people can relate to this. You say it's very rare. I've had multiple, you know, I wouldn't say many, many, but multiple people come to me in a similar situation. I have a lot of followers in a similar situation. So, you know, I'm really like in a tight-knit chronic illness community. So you do actually end up hearing about these rare situations, but you hear a lot more of it. So I know that this is going to reach a lot of people, but I'm really interested just for the benefit of myself and everyone listening. You talked about, you know, going into seeing a shaman and getting into energy work and that being what really got you on the other side. Can you talk a little bit about that journey? Like at that point where your chiropractor was like, hey, River, I think you'd really benefit from this. And you're like, okay, whatever that is. So you get there and all of a sudden you're experiencing this radical healing. Like, what was that part of this journey like? Like, what did that look like for you? And when did you experience this healing? Was it this like boom, all of a sudden, like, I've had this profound shift? Was it something that took a couple of years? Like, can you talk a little bit about that?

I would say it was kind of a, an up and down journey. So the endpoint is where I am now is I'm in remission 99% of the time. If there is some kind of flare-up, it's extremely rare, probably less than once a year. And I know my body well enough at this point that I know any warning signs that we're getting to what I would call the point of no return. So that's where it would take some kind of recovery to come back from. And so I don't, I don't get there anymore. So I hear the signals much better. But at first, what made it immediately go into remission was actually a different story, which was that I fell in love, and that changed my entire physiology. And all of a sudden, I was just fine for the most part. But then through stress, through different things that would come up, I would need different kinds of solutions. So I would say that the primary thing that energy work gave me, and still gives me to this day, is possibility. So if we think that there's only two doors, we can show you seven more doors, that there's just always another way of doing things, looking at things, and seeing that there's more solutions than we could possibly imagine. It's also about connection. So a lot of times when there is some kind of chronic illness, it's isolating, it's disconnection, it's some kind of friction or frustration in life where it seems like just pressure pushing up against the wall, things not working. And so when there is more of a connection, feeling supported, feeling held and guided, then that can change things on its own.

So what kind of work did you do, as much as you're like willing to share, when you started perhaps this journey, when you were having those flare-ups, when you were in love, or, you know, whenever you were like, oh, I feel like I've solved it, I'm in remission, oops, just kidding, obviously stress is triggering this. What kind of work were you doing? I mean, to the degree that it can be explained, I don't want to say like practically, but like just in a way that we could like actually have a conversation about it?

Sure. Well, I mean, I did everything. I wouldn't recommend that. I counted recently, and I've personally tried around 100 different modalities. So I don't think that's necessary or required. And actually, knowing what I know now, I would do a whole bunch of different stuff than what I actually did. But I mean, I think that anything that does what you teach, Faith, which is regulating your nervous system and getting a sense of stability and this sense of, I would say, distress tolerance that, you know, emotions, you survive them. It's okay. It's not life or death to have a feeling. Feelings pass, feelings change. All of that is felt in the body and changes the body. I think that there's also something there in, you know, people who've had bad memories of physical experiences. You know, if someone has stomach problems, maybe a stomachache could be like, oh no, what's going to happen next? So that constant reminders and assurances, right, this is a different situation and I can handle this too.

So I think, no, it's funny as you're saying that because I'm just thinking about obviously within the work that I teach, we do some brain training. It's obviously not all brain training. I would say like 30% of what I actually work through. With my clients is like very like analytical, black and white. We're actually training like our neural pathways, we're weakening neural pathways. But a lot of what you're doing, I just love to see the parallels or like kind of how like this work manifests in the physical because talking about how like obviously we have these stored memories of like, oh, if I have this stomach ache sensation, like instantly my body is going into this must be a flare, this must be like me coming back into my autoimmune condition and just like in a way, like you're doing a similar thing. You're like training the brain that like these experiences are not connected and actually these sensations can be associated with safety and releasing like the memories and all of that, which I feel is really what's keeping us stuck there to begin with in many ways.

Yeah, because in my experience, you know, being on the other side of this, working with people who've had chronic pain, chronic illness, things like that, it's often tied to— and for just from what I've seen— things that have happened in the past. And so what I would do differently now that I didn't get to do for years and years and years is do that first. So that's why trauma work is some of my absolute favorite things to do. When people see me and they have things going on, but they also have trauma and grief in their past and they don't desire to work on that, I'm like please, please let me, please let me do this for you. It would, it would make things so much better for you and make things so much easier. But, but not everyone sees that connection. It's, it's a connection that I've seen over and over again. And actually, I reached out to someone. You said, you know, gastroparesis is not rare. And I think that's absolutely true. I've heard over the last few years that it's, it's actually the, the diagnosing of it has exploded over the last few years. But 15 years ago, people were really confused why somebody under 70 and not diabetic would have something like that. And so it just took them a really long time to diagnose me. But I reached out to someone who was the only person talking about this 15 years ago. And she told me that everyone that she'd personally talked to— I'm not saying this is a blanket for everyone— but everyone that she'd personally talked to with gastroparesis also had PTSD. And I thought, oh, that's an interesting connection. Because gastroparesis, one theory about it is that it's damage to the vagus nerve. And the vagus nerve is what is this channel that's regulating absolutely everything in your body. And it can show up in different ways, but it can also absolutely show up in digestive stuff. So gastroparesis is kind of like a paralysis of the stomach, you know, food goes in, and then it just doesn't do anything else, it just gets frozen. Freeze response, right? And so with this connected, we can do the surface level stuff, and that absolutely helps. Everything helps a little. So I got really into essential oils, that helped a little. I got really into food and paleo and autoimmune paleo, and then that helped a little. I tried strange things like, like different kinds of diets. Probably like 15 different kinds that were, oh, this is a medicinal diet. And things helped a little bit. But for me, not until I cleared that trauma, and then a whole bunch of other different traumas, did my nervous system just kind of regulate itself. And things that were a problem just weren't a problem anymore.

I love— well, I'm just like beaming over here listening to you say that because it's like, yes, yes, this is the message that you know, so many people now, so many more people now than before are actually trying to get across. Like, this is the narrative that's starting to come out more, especially on social. And I'm like always cheering when someone's like, guess what? Like, it is like almost a cure-all. Like, if you could just get your nervous system to that place of safety, all of a sudden it's a domino effect. And so it's so beautiful and wonderful and exciting when someone comes on and describes it in the way that you have. So I want to kind of dig into that specifically into trauma, because Obviously, that is like a huge point that you brought up. That's like, hey, if someone's coming to me with a chronic condition and they're like, hey, I don't even want to look about my— at my trauma, I don't want to talk about my trauma. You're like, this could be helped so much faster and so much easier. So let's talk about that and perhaps also help some people to make that connection. And I think it's— there's two points here that I think are important because this comes up a lot. Actually, it did come up a lot with my students in this last round of HTA. And so one is like, what is trauma? Just talking a little bit about like, you know, there's this idea of trauma that I think we all think a trauma is, right? This like massive event that you would see on like a TV drama. And we're like, oh my God, that is a trauma. And it is. But let's talk about like, what else could be a trauma? And then perhaps then go into what is the connection between that and these, whether it's diagnosed or not, these chronic symptoms or a diagnosed chronic illness that people are experiencing?

Yeah, so I think people in the traumatology world would, would argue about this. You know, some people say there's big T trauma and little t trauma, and some people say let's get rid of the T's. And so there's not entirely a consensus here, but the definition that I prefer is that trauma is anything that overwhelms the nervous system and resources, the internal resources that are available, to the point where it causes some kind of lasting impression. And lasting doesn't mean permanent, it just means it hasn't gone away yet. And so in a very, very broad definition, which I think a lot of people would argue with, so I'm putting that disclaimer here, I think that we in Rapid Resolution Therapy would say that trauma could be called anything that you think about from the past that still has some kind of emotional charge. Because if it still has some kind of emotional charge, then that means there are some tapes playing in the background that are taking energy away from whatever you're doing now, taking energy away from health, from self-healing, from regulating. All of that is going on. And so that's a huge, huge, huge broad definition, which I think would make a lot of people angry because and they think, oh, well, if you're saying someone, a teacher, was mean to you when you were 7, that's the same as this horrible thing that happened to me, that invalidates me. No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that anything that leaves that kind of imprint probably has some kind of effect on something. Things have bigger effects. Some things have bigger effects than others, but there— I, I don't, I don't like to compare situations. You know, I've worked with people who've had the worst possible things happen to them that can happen to a human. And I've worked with people that, you know, someone said something bad about their hair when they were 11. And, and we, we clear both of them, right? I'm not going to say, oh, your hair thing doesn't matter because this horrible thing happened to some— someone else. No, I would never say that. There's this idea that, you know, someone can drown in a 16-foot pool as much as they could in a 2-foot pool, right? But something that affects someone then we don't need to compare it to anyone else. That's not— that's not useful at all. So if we talk only about events, then how come every single person in a war space situation doesn't get PTSD? If it's only about events, then every single event would have the same effect on every single person. We know that that's not true. We know that people survive totally horrific things and don't get PTSD. And we know that there are situations where other people wouldn't understand and say, oh, I don't get it. It's not like someone was murdered or something like that. And they do get PTSD. So it's not actually correlated to the event at all. It's correlated to overwhelm and resourcing, inner resourcing.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that that's so encouraging. And I think that's also like why I— well, actually, I didn't even ask you about that second part, but it's such an important point to bring up because I think a lot of people say, well, it's all good and well that you talk about trauma in the past, but what about all the things that are happening in the world? What about the fact that I can't control my circumstances and yada yada? And I think, yes, that's true. You know, you can't and you live in the world, so things are going to happen and that's life. But it doesn't have to affect you in that way. The whole point is you're controlling your internal terrain, you're manipulating that. And that is your world. And you can be in that same experience over and over and things are going to happen. They will because it's life, but they're not necessarily going to have that impact on you. If you're doing this internal work, your capacity for processing that situation can be different. And that's the work that we're doing here. And that's that shift to this internal locus of control. Like, that's where the healing happens. And I think that's such an important point, especially now, you know, more than ever, getting people saying, yeah, but what about, what about this? And what about that? And what about this? And, you know, those things are You know, I hate to say it, but realistically, we live on planet Earth. So we— this is the way internally is the way that we are able to continue to heal and have that peace and have that regulation moving forward. So let's talk about the link then between trauma, whatever, you know, whatever the definition. I, you know, I think your definition was really well explained. And this is the way that I talk about it with my students as well, because we all have different life experiences, but they're all valid. And they matter. And if they are playing up here, they're taking up that energy and it's having physical repercussions. So I think it's important to acknowledge that so that, you know, it can get the lightbulb moment of like, ah, you know, we had this in the last live call, a student saying, yeah, but I don't have any trauma. And then she goes through my, my issues are really, you know, perfectionism, controlling, all or nothing thing, listing off her trauma responses. And I'm like, let's talk about what trauma is. And all of a sudden we have these lightbulb moments. So I think this is really important. Let's talk about the link between trauma and chronic illness now that we've kind of gone through what trauma is.

Sure. And I just, I just would like to say around that as well, I don't think anyone needs to describe it as trauma in order to have their experiences be valid or to have things be healed. So they don't need to say, oh, I have this trauma response, because ultimately anything that's a response is a protective mechanism. So it was installed in place because at some point it was either useful or something in the body, something in the mind thought that it was useful. And so it's just replaying something that maybe used to work, maybe didn't work, and it just hasn't been updated to a new upgraded version where we can respond to things in a way that's more pleasant, effective for that person. So I don't think that, you know, back to the trauma conversation, that we even need to use the word trauma. We can if it's helpful. If it's not helpful, then, then let's not use it. One of my favorite euphemisms for it is just bad experiences. Oh, didn't like that one. That was just a bad experience. Okay, moving on. So I don't think that, you know, especially because in medical settings or in therapy settings, there can be such an emphasis on labels. And I think that can be helpful to some people to a point. And I think that there can be a time when that is limiting, and it's difficult to transcend when still attached to some kind of label. So for me, one of the labels that I had to give up was a traumatized person. That was something that I had called myself for a while. Oh yeah, that's— I'm doing that because I'm traumatized, or I had that experience because I'm traumatized. And now that doesn't feel relevant to me. But it was kind of weird letting go of that label that for a while gave me some kind of explanation and even some kind of empowerment at some point, because it was like, oh, all these diverse descriptions aren't just, you know, me being totally out of left field. It's, it's common, it happens to other people, so therefore there's something that can be done about it. So it was helpful at some point, and then at some point it was limiting. And so letting go of that label was, was kind of weird and kind of uncomfortable, but now that's not who I have to be. And so I just mentioned that because sometimes labels can be comforting, encouraging, kind of like even like a security blanket, and sometimes we outgrow them, and holding on to that can prevent us from continuing to evolve and be better than, than we thought that we could be, especially when it touches on the identity, because then it's like, ooh, um, hi—

I don't know, kind of like the highest level of the mind, or second highest level of the mind, like shifting that identity piece, um, which is a huge, huge, huge topic in the chronic illness community as well, because that like you said, it's a community and it's— it can be, especially when you have like unexplained symptoms or you're disregarded or judged, like so comforting. But then also you run into, you know, now you're on the other side, you're on your healing journey and boom, you realize actually perhaps part of what's holding you back is actually chronic illness has become your identity. And of course you can't heal in opposition to your identity. And so that's just, you know, something that's perhaps not talked enough about, in my opinion, in the chronic illness space. Like, who's talking about that really? Besides us and maybe a couple of other people, but in my opinion, a huge, huge reason why so many people are held back. And, and same for trauma or whatever else, whatever other kind of like reasons we're using to understand our behavior, I think.

Right. And, and I want to be clear that this isn't looking to invalidate anyone. So for example, if someone's experiencing sickness, we're not saying that they're not. Absolutely not. We're saying, okay, this is the reality at this moment. And words have power. Words are kind of like— some people would even say it's kind of like casting spells. It's kind of like bringing things into existence just based on your words. So there's a difference between saying, I'm a sick person, which is something that's heard and felt in the entire mind and body, versus I'm currently experiencing sickness. Same situation, but a different way to say it, a different way to use words, a different way to identify yourself. That's separating you from sick. So this is something that we do in English that we don't do in other languages. For example, Spanish, as you're familiar, we would say things like, uh, I am— I am sad is a different verb than I am a table, because the table is never going to change, but the sadness absolutely can change. And in English, we don't have that differentiation, and so the mind hears it as the same when we say I am the mind attaches whatever we say after that to and say, oh, I guess that's my identity. I guess that's who I am. I guess that's not changeable. So when we change the way we talk about things, the situation is still the same. It's just that we separate ourselves from that and say, no, sickness is not my identity. Who I am, who I actually am, is so much more than that and actually probably has nothing to do with that. That's just an experience that I'm currently having.

That's so interesting about— I had no idea that other languages don't do that, and like the profound impact that's having on all of us. That's wild. I wonder what other parts of the English language are having like that kind of an impact that other people in other countries perhaps aren't actually dealing with. Um, okay, so back to the trauma piece, or whatever, you know, uncomfortable situation— is that what you called it? Or whatever, whatever you want.

You can call it whatever you want. I just always— my euphemism was always bad, bad experience.

Bad experience.

Bad experience.

Didn't love that. I like that. I like that. So let's talk about the bad experiences or the uncomfortable situations or trauma or whatever you want to call it, whatever helps us like conceptualize it better. Let's link that to the chronic conditions, the physical experiences that people are experiencing that they're like, yes, I have tried all the things that River's talking about, all the things that I personally also have tried and have talked about a million times, and it's not working. What is this link? What, what is that?

Yeah, so if somebody's tried absolutely everything, uh, they're what I personally would call a complicated case. And again, I use that as a euphemism, tongue-in-cheek. I'm not actually labeling anyone. But as a, you know, complicated case myself, you know, I have respect for that. Okay, so we've, we've been around the block, still driven, still determined, still curious, still looking for, for something, something different. There's still hope there. There's still hope there. So what I see with people who've tried 30 things and then they come see me is that there is this belief And the belief— you might say it's a trauma response, I would say it's protective mechanism— I can't be fixed. I can't be fixed. I need someone to save me. I, uh, I need someone to fix me, and this won't work. So from what I see is if these beliefs are in place, and beliefs are so, so, so powerful, beliefs shape our entire identity. And so what I'm talking about now mostly is, is the type of work that I do with trauma, which is, which is different. But I also do a lot of work with shifting beliefs, shifting limiting beliefs, because I see limiting beliefs as the energetic floors and ceilings of what's possible for us in this lifetime. Because if we believe something is possible, we usually start seeing that in our reality. And if we don't believe it's possible, that's just not going to show up. And so if somebody believes very firmly, I cannot be fixed, I'm broken, I'm the problem, then they can try things that, you know, are, are good, are quality. They, they actually, they, they do good stuff, and it's like, it's like rain on an umbrella. Like, nothing's getting through. It just bounces right off. And why this protective mechanism came into place Well, there's a few different things going on. First is that it might have had evidence, might have had evidence that things didn't work before because maybe the first couple things they tried weren't that great. I'm not saying everything's great, some things are better than others. And maybe they tried a whole bunch of stuff that, that just really wasn't that great. And so that's fair, that's fair, right? But that doesn't mean that other things can't be great. It's just that with this barrier in place it's very easy for nothing to get through. So, you know, if someone has a very, very strong mind, they can take very strong medicine and it does absolutely nothing for them. And I've seen this happen, and it's wild because someone else can take, you know, a dose, let's say 1, and it has a huge effect on that person. And someone else can take a dose, let's say 8, and it does absolutely nothing for that person. Doesn't mean that the, the medicine doesn't work. It just means that person's mind is strong and it's powerful. And when I'm saying this, I'm not saying that this is a hopeless situation. I'm saying actually the complete opposite, because if the mind is this powerful that it's able to block absolutely anything no matter what anyone throws at it, then we can flip it and we can use that power to heal.

I, I don't put video on my podcast because I would look like an actual loser because I'm sitting here smiling like ear to ear, just like nodding my head like, yes, like I'm in some like church choir, like, yes, I agree with this so much. But of course, I mean, of course I agree with this, but it's just so funny because, um, like the first, uh, week of my program, like the only thing we're doing is like outlining what limiting beliefs are there about our chronic illness. And I think let's talk about the fact that if you have a chronic illness, you know, like that in itself is what is— I'm already forgetting your euphemism, bad experience, whatever.

I would call it—

for me, I say trauma, right? To me, like that within itself is a trauma. Like to wait, to go from having like acute illnesses where, you know, you know, in a few days I will wake up and I will feel better, or I'm going to get this medicine and the strep throat is going to be better in 3 days and I'll go back to school and whatever you had to go from that to actually not having answers from doctors to being— to having those blank faces that look at you or you're like you said, a doctor not calling you back and you're like, cool, you know, like you're supposed to be the person to help me and fix this. And when no one knows how to help you and on top of that, you know, no one understands you. And on top of that, you're slowly losing the things that you thought were you. This is a huge trauma. And it's such a reasonable response and resourceful response to lose that hope that anything will work. Because it's the hope in that situation that in a way in itself is killing you, right? Like the phrase, it's the hope that kills you. That's not true. But in that situation, that is— it makes sense. And I think that's pretty much where everyone's at when they meet me. It's where I certainly was. So it's completely understandable to have that belief. And I think when we all— at least when I take my cohorts through, you know, that is the number one belief that's coming across every single student. It's like that my sickness is for life, that like this is on an identity level. Like you said, your beliefs create your identity. This is who I am. I am synonymous with— and that has helped me accept it. And therefore I can still continue to build a life around it because that seems like the only option. And so I just want to like really dive into what that picture is because it's such a big thing that I'm working on every single time I launch a cohort. And we're having the same aha lightbulb moment again over and over again with hundreds of women like, oh my God, like this was so resourceful for me and like it's helped me survive into this point and like, wow, thank you so much. But I can see now that it's not resourceful for me as I move on to this next like phase of my life. But I love that you're saying that like this is the piece that needs to shift because I so, so, so believe this with every fiber of my being that like this is the absolute platform that's going to put you on your trajectory to fully being— whether you want to call it remission, healed, whatever— is understanding that like if you believe these things, like you said, it is true. Like it's not going to work for you until you are able to remove those beliefs. Beliefs. And so I want to talk about how you help people work through limiting beliefs. It's all good and well for someone to listen to this and say, ah, yeah, I have that belief. Now what? You know, like, how do you know— I have my way. There's loads of ways to do things. How do you work with clients on this?

Sure. First, just to go back a little bit. For me, one of the tenets of Trauma Recovery 101 is autonomy, is choice, because there was a time when it felt like there wasn't a choice. It was trapped, it was suffocating, it was powerless. And so just giving back that autonomy, giving back that agency. So what we get to do with these beliefs is we get to examine them. It's not that there are beliefs that are good or bad, it's, is it serving you? Is it useful for you? Do you want to keep them? Do you want to keep them? You can keep them. Just know that there are consequences to every action. You know, consequences can be positive, consequences can be negative. So you get to keep them if you want them. So for example, you know, talking about living with chronic illness, I say personally that I'm in remission 99% of the time. I still have a chronic illness. That doesn't bother me. I don't feel broken. I don't feel sick. I am extremely healthy. My body's a champ. Like, I've put it through so much. It's doing fantastic. Like, I'm so— I'm so grateful for my body. So it doesn't bother me to say that Yes, I have this, I have this chronic illness, and it's fine for me, for the most part, that might be someone else's, that might be different for someone else. And they might feel a certain, a certain way with that and some kind of connotations. Oh, if I have this chronic illness, that means something bad about me. And so that might be really helpful to separate from that belief. But another example is that for a very long time, I had PTSD, I don't anymore. And so I'm very happy to say that that's just not part of my life anymore. And it's not necessary for me to keep because it's just not relevant anymore. And so I just want to separate and just say that we get to pick and choose what we want to keep in our life, what's useful for us, what is irrelevant for us, what is affecting us. And then we get to discern, hold it up to the light. Do I want to keep this? Yes or no? So for shifting beliefs, gosh, there's a million different ways to shift them. My personal favorite is I personally shift them in the Akashic Records. I've never seen anyone else do it. It's just something that I made up. I made it up based on a different modality that I learned from something else and thought, oh, I can do this faster. But there are so many other ways. So if you're listening to this and you want to do things yourself, because I assume that, you know, if you're like me, you're like, oh, I want to try something right away. I think that one of the easiest DIY ways to do it yourself is to do EFT, do tapping. Just look for any YouTube video and find some kind of person that you like. There's so many people doing EFT on YouTube that you can just pick any personality you like. You're like, oh no, this one's not for me. Okay, try a different one. And then just tap on that belief until, until the charge is less. So that's one way. Another way is more of the cognitive behavioral therapy approach, which is— so, so that's my background way back when, like 20 years ago, that's where I started in cognitive behavioral therapy, because that was part of my training. But It's looking for evidence, right? So if it's something you don't want to believe anymore, where is this not true? Where is it not true? Find it in your life, find it in other people's lives, find it in celebrity lives. If you can find one example of where it's not true, then it's actually not true. Because let's go back and talk about what is a belief. A belief is just a thought that we decided is true. But true is always true. There's no exceptions to true. So true is true 100% of the time. True is a fact. And so if something is not objective, if there are different views of it, if there are exceptions, then that means it's necessarily not true. And if it's not true, that means it's a belief. And if it's a belief, that means that it's changeable. And if it's changeable, then that's going to affect your reality too. So find all of the evidence of where it's not true, and then look at underneath that if it says anything about you. Because a lot of the times it's not necessarily the belief that's the most charged, it's what does that mean about me? So for example, is the belief, uh, I am broken, what does that mean about me? Probably that I'm bad or that I'm unlovable. And so looking at that and teasing that out, bringing that into the light, can do a lot of differences yourself. So these are a couple of ways to shift beliefs. People do all sorts of different things. We can shift beliefs through RRT and Rapid Resolution Therapy. That's a fun way to do it. We can do it through different types of NLP, time techniques. I mean, there's, there's a whole bunch of different ways that we can shift beliefs, but I find that the most impactful thing about this is just noticing that it is a belief because most people don't notice that they're beliefs. They think they're true. And so as soon as you say, oh, that's not a truth, it's a belief, I would say 70% of the work is already done.

I know with us, like, when you and I do this, because I mean, this is something I teach, but I was saying this to you yesterday, like, I'll like bring the same, you know, I'll bring something to you and you're like, oh yeah, that's just a belief. I'm like, oh yeah. And then you'll be like, where is it not true? And I'm like, here. And you're like, yeah. And I'm like, okay. And that's done. And then like all of a sudden it's, you know, it's like we're very efficient. Um, and you know, it depends. Like I've been doing this work for like 10 years now and I feel like I always will because you never know. Like we said earlier today, like you deal with like what you think are like your big beliefs and you're like, I'm free. And then like a few months later, your nervous system is like, oh, we're feeling regulated, we're feeling good. This is, this is a good time to bring this up. And then, ooh, surprise. So it's always like a game of going through and like, okay, this is coming from this belief and this is coming from this belief. And then boom, your reality shifts. But one of the things that I always say to my students, which is a bit like encouraging because obviously it's not always that way, especially when you're like coming in on like a belief that has massively affected your identity and your physical life and you're dealing with it every single day. If you are working through this like more cognitive work, which is like a kind of the place in the space where I'm working and obviously bringing in a lot of NLP as well. But when we do what we call evidence collecting and kind of working through that, like when you're doing this evidence collecting for kind of like counteracting your limiting beliefs or collecting evidence for the beliefs that you want to like subconsciously ingrain the more you do it, the more you're actually changing the physical structure of your brain and the easier it becomes like anything else. And so like, even if this work isn't automatic, everything, all of this stuff we talk about becomes so much easier if you just stay consistent with it and know that like it will become automatic very quickly. And so we say within the work that we do, we do like a 30-day, like specific evidence collecting journal of external, internal evidence. In my experience, that internal evidence is weighted very heavily and it it shifts that belief a lot faster. We have never had someone take more than 30 days to shift their, like, biggest, if you will, the belief they feel like is holding them back the most. We have never had someone who follows the program take more than 30 days to completely and fully shift that belief. Something that's been with them since they're 10 years old and they're with me and they're 60 years old. Like, it works no matter who you are. You can do this no matter how much you think it's like part of who you are. It's been in your lineage, it's been in your past lives, whatever, whatever, whatever. There is no belief that is too big to be shifted. It doesn't have to be one way or the other. Like you said, there's so many ways to do it, which brings me to my next question. So obviously you shift loads of beliefs for me. You'll be like, send me 200 beliefs and I'll just shift them while you're sleeping. And I'm like, okay, so how do you, you know, can you talk to us a little bit about the work that you do? Obviously, that's very, very different than what I'm doing with my clients. When you say things like that to me and your other clients, like, what's the behind the scenes there?

So my guess is if you're listening to this, you're a learner, even if that's not something that you'd considered about yourself. But most people who see me, and, and I would imagine, you know, in, in your programs as well, Faith, are, are high achievers, really ambitious, really driven. And maybe they wouldn't call themselves that because maybe they're thinking, oh, well, you know, I had potential but haven't lived it, or something like that. But, but that's who I'm seeing. I'm seeing Type A's who are are really looking to move forward. And so in this kind of personality— what's a personality? Just a collection of, of habits and thoughts and beliefs. Of course, everything's changeable. But in this, I guess, archetype, what I see sometimes is this idea of all-or-nothing thinking, which you might say is a trauma response. I would say that it's a cognitive distortion, whatever we want to call it. It's this idea that if I don't get this right away, I'm some kind of failure. And so what I would like to just say here is that if you're listening to this, you're already learning. If you've listened this far, you've already learned a ton. I'm sure some of it you've heard many times before, so it's sinking even deeper into your subconscious. But some of it you may not have heard before, and it might seem, uh, new or even unsettling or, or possibly exciting. But either way, you are learning. And at the same time that you're learning, you're also unlearning. And this can be a little discombobulating for some people. Oh, well, I thought I knew this. But now, now I need to unlearn these things that, that I thought were true for me in my life. And so it may be uncomfortable. But I mean, my guess is that if you're listening, that you've already done a whole bunch of uncomfortable stuff. So, so just adding learning to something that's it's just a moving practice. And it's just moving you forward. And as you're learning, your mind is learning and your body is learning, you're making these different connections, and you're making these different pathways that ultimately lead to an increase in your well-being.

I love that. That's a good perspective. Because you're right, it can feel like, especially if it's new information as well, like, oh my god, there's so much I haven't done, or there's so much I need to do, and da da da da da. But like, it's a journey, it's a process. And so much healing is happening in even like opening up to this and listening to this and just sitting with this. And yeah, so that brings me back to your work and, you know, the way that you've helped me so in so many ways with shifting beliefs. And I know you work with lots of different types of people and I'm sure you use so many different methods to support your clients. But let's talk about the energy work that you do when it comes to beliefs. I think that would be really interesting. I mean, it's interesting for me and it's not something we really talk about. Like we hop on our sessions and then we finish our sessions. But yeah, I think it would be cool to learn about that. I mean, you said you, you made up your own method as well. Like, let's talk about as much as you're willing to share, like the work that you do on that side of things.

Sure. So the origin of this is basically, I was learning CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, and they got us down to what are our core beliefs. So that's what I was talking about earlier. Okay, so, so I'm unlovable, I'm bad. There's, there's something wrong with me. If I'm not perfect, no one will love me. So what is, what is this core belief? I'm a failure, something like that. And then I would say to them, Okay, now what? We got the core belief. Yay! What do we do with it? And they're like, oh well, you know, just, just, just do these worksheets and just know that that's there for you. And I was like, wait, what? No, no, we gotta, we gotta get rid of that. We gotta change that. And I didn't see a satisfactory answer. And when I saw people filling out these worksheets, I weren't— I wasn't seeing a huge change in them. And this is not me knocking CBT. I think it's super helpful in many situations. But on that deep, like, core level, and especially when, you know, there is a type of trauma response and the prefrontal cortex is not online at the moment, there are other things that, that are a lot more useful and a lot more accessible to use than that. So when we have the rational mind working, I think CBT can be very helpful. But usually people are operating in a different way. And so that's when I lean towards other things. So I, so I said, okay, we've got this idea of core beliefs, and I learned through, um, a different modality that I won't get into how to shift them in a session with someone. And I thought, okay, that sounds good, but it's not efficient. Like, like, I think, I think we can do it bigger. I think we can do it faster. Because what that was looking like was you could shift 7 beliefs per hour. And I was like, I don't know, it's okay, but, but I think we can do better. And so then I just started experimenting because I had been working in, um, uh, the Earthly Acoustic Records for a couple years. So there's, there's the Earthly Acoustic Records and then the Galactic Acoustic Records, which is where I spend most of my time now. Don't worry about it, they're just words. And so I figured out that I could I could shift them for other people, uh, with their consent, with their permission, and that things would just go faster. And so I tested it with other people, and I would at the beginning ask them, hey, did this shift for you? And they would test it and say, um, other people who, who had, um, some of these, uh, same inclinations, and they would say, yeah, actually that, that did work. So cool. But I then got to the point where I just saw patterns. And so the patterns that I saw were that for some people we would shift it and they would feel just immediate relaxing. And some people or some situations, they would, they would start seeing a shift around 6 weeks. That's generally the average that I see. It's around 6 weeks. Some people it's around 3 months, some people it's 6 months. I've seen it take as long as a year or 2 years. And so I've, it's really varies and I can never predict how long something's going to take, because that's not up to me. That's up to the universe and the person and the conflicts and a whole bunch of other stuff. But I've never seen it not happen. It comes into play when it comes into play. But it's just, it's just really interesting how things can shift because the way that I do it, there's no catharsis, there's no breakthrough, there's no aha moments. And for some people, then that can feel satisfying because it's like, oh, there's progress, we're getting things done. But if you're looking into somatic experiencing and Peter Levine, he actually advises against catharsis, because it's quite jarring for the nervous system. And then there can be something that is some kind of backlash, I call it a boomerang effect, which is that if there's, if there's too big a jump in one direction, then that can kind of reverse and do some negative effects later. So I'm not interested in that kind of situation. And so what this is instead is it's so gentle on the nervous system, that the person doesn't even notice it happened, and it feels even anticlimactic, not exciting at all. Oh, nothing happened. Great, nothing happened. You just look around 6 weeks later and your world's different.

Hmm, that's the power of, uh, shifting your beliefs, isn't it? You look around. I feel like if you could sum it up in like a sentence, like, what happens when you release a limiting belief or you change your belief? Well, you look around and your world's different. That's what happens. And all you're doing is changing the belief. You want to change your life? Change your beliefs. You want to heal? Change your beliefs. You want something? Change your beliefs. This work is so important and it's such an easier way. You know, there's a, a part of a lot of like questions I get are about like habits and like building habits and breaking habits. And I get it. Like, you know, let's talk about Atomic Habits. Like there's a book about it. He's taking that from loads of research on human behavior. Like there are mechanisms that make it difficult and make it easy and we can talk about it. In different areas of life. But it's, it's a question I get all the time and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's so much easier to change your habits by changing your identity, by changing your beliefs. Like your, your actions, your thoughts will just flow. They just will be naturally. You will just become that person. You don't even have to worry about it. You don't have to like buy certain things or hide certain things and like put stickies in certain places. Just change what you believe and you'll just do it the next day. Like it's such an easier way. Um, So it really is, it's everything. And, um, right.

One of the easiest ways to find a belief is to just, just for yourself as a journal exercise, I'm the type of person who, just fill in the blank. And that'll, that'll tell you everything. And you can, you can look at that huge list and, and see, okay, do I want to keep this? Yes or no? This one I want to take forward with me.

That's a really good prompt, actually. Okay, so would you be willing to talk a little bit about the Akashic Records at all, or what that is, for like someone ready to pop on Google and understand? I know you're like, don't worry, it's just words, but like just to give a little context.

Sure. So the Akashic Records are the annals of everything that your soul has ever done or will ever do. In this lifetime, in past lifetimes, in future lifetimes. And every single person has their own Akashic Records. Also, every single concept has their own Akashic Records. Every single location has its own Akashic Records. And you can think of it— there's a whole bunch of similar systems that people have talked about, um, but I think, you know, in Judaism it's considered the Book of Life, so that, that would be similar. And in the Akashic Records, there are the masters, teachers, and loved ones who are providing guidance usually. And, uh, just, they're kind of like the, the record keepers of the records. You know, in English we call it the records. I think in German they call it, um, chronicles or something like that. And so it's, it's, yeah, it's words. People describe it differently. They, they use different words, but it's, it's basically It's basically looking at a soul level. And so when I first learned it, it was mostly about psychic stuff. So I studied with, um, I don't know, 4 different psychics or something like that, and in different ways to access intuition. But separately with the Akashic Records, people would also use it intuitively for guidance. So, uh, what about this situation? What's my purpose? Things like that. And For me, that wasn't as useful because the way that I view psychic stuff is that we can see right now the future based on right now, but every single thing you do changes the entire future. So if you go to a sandwich shop and you buy a beef sandwich instead of a ham sandwich, all of a sudden you're in a different timeline, and then that future you predicted, uh, an hour ago it's not your future anymore. And so I personally didn't find a lot of value in this, so I don't do readings for people. I used to, but, but I don't do readings for people because I think that there's a lot of other things that we can do. So I would say that most people do readings for people. So if you're looking for, uh, someone to work with you in the Akashic Records, everybody does it differently. There's no standard, there's no formula. People are doing entirely different work and just using the similar words. So, so what I do is quite different, which is that I'm looking to heal in the Akashic Records, which is sometimes similar healing to Reiki, for example. So I'm trained in 12 different kinds of Reiki. Most people think there's only one, but there's, there's a whole bunch. And so this is something that I can do separately. It's also something that I can do in the records. Um, I've trained with a couple different shamans, so I do shamanic journeying, and sometimes I do that separately. Sometimes we can do it in the records. And so it's, it's kind of like we can do a whole bunch of stuff there. It's just, it's just a different frequency. And just opening up the records and sitting there and doing nothing is also healing because you're in a different frequency. And anytime you're in a higher frequency, you're healing. That's why people like sound healing and tuning forks and singing bowls, is because it does something on a cellular level. When you're in a different frequency. And so all energy work that I'm doing is attuning to a different frequency by clearing blockages, clearing blockages on an emotional, physical, soul level, and then allowing in whatever the soul is ready to heal at this time. So it never goes faster than what the soul is ready to heal at this time. So for example, if I'm I'm doing some type of energy work on someone and they have, uh, cancer in a certain part of their body, my conscious mind will say, okay, let's, let's go there, let's, let's nab that first. And then I get in there and it's like, not ready. We can go, we can go around it, we can like touch it gently, but it's going to take, it's going to take some time. It's going to take some time to do more and more sessions to get this ready. So what I like about it is that there's no harm because it never goes faster than the person can handle. There's never ability to have that kind of backlash that I was talking about. It only heals what's ready to be healed at this time. And then I also just personally enjoy it for manifesting, for, for bringing things in, you know, taking hands off the wheel and saying, oh, what would my soul like to bring in at this time, instead of controlling everything. And this was definitely a difference for me and might be a difference for for, you know, some of the people you work with, Faith, is that, uh, when things have seemed out of control in life, there can be a tendency to try to grasp control and say, okay, how can I control as much as I can? And so energy work is actually the complete opposite. So when I do subconscious work, I'm very much taking the reins and I'm doing most of the talking and we're just getting things done. And I like that, I enjoy that. But energy work is completely the opposite, where my hand's off the wheel, your hand is off the wheel, and we're just seeing what happens. We have no attachment to outcome. We have no attachment to tangibles. We're just seeing what is ready to be healed and brought into form at this time. And that's it.

That's very cool. And it's— it takes— well, I don't know if you find this, but it takes a lot of unlearning the traditional, like, Western medicine paradigm and even, even like functional medicine and like going to the chiropractor, whatever, like there's still some sort of like quote unquote immediate return. It's still very like pragmatic and scientific and cognitive, whatever you were saying. Like, and it's this like idea of there's like an element of healing that's like letting go, which is such a like mindset shift from everything most everyone knows in this space. Um, and so I can imagine for you, like, I don't know how you get your clients if it's all referrals, but I can imagine there must be some sort of gap when you're like explaining a session to a client who's very used to like, no, no, I'm coming in for this reason, da da da, and you're like, uh, let me explain how this works.

You know, it depends. Um, because like I said, I see, I see generally a couple different types of people. And, uh, yeah, it has been mostly for referrals, but, um, Some people just say, here's my problem, fix it. And I say, okay, let's do that. And then some people say, well, I'm curious, I want to try new things. And I say, okay. But if I am working with someone for a while and I suspect that energy would be helpful for this person, I probably just won't share any more than they ask. So if someone's curious, I'm gonna say, okay, here's all the things that we did for you, and here are the animal totems that showed up and that you get to work with, and here are your ancestors. But if they're a lot more, you know, more interested in the pragmatic, I'll just say, yeah, I did some stuff for you. Let me know what shows up for you. And I just won't share because I get both sides, right? Like, I was moonlighting as an energy healer while I was in business school. So I was going to interviews with crystals in my pockets and I was, you know, ditching beer blast for my yoga teacher training. So, so I was friends with, uh, MBAs, JDs, MDs, and they all knew what I was doing and I had zero interest in convincing them of anything. I was like, no, I absolutely— it's not in my best interest at all to try to argue with you about beliefs. This— if something works for you, keep it. If it doesn't work for you, you might want to change it at some point. That's all. This works for me. So I didn't get into energy work because I thought it was cool. I got into it because it worked. And I had already done a whole bunch of stuff that, that just hadn't worked for me, and some things that hadn't worked for other people. And I found that for me, whatever works, I'm going to keep doing. If it doesn't work, or if I find something that works better, I'm going to replace it, because all I care about is if it actually works. And then how can it be as painless as possible? And how can it be as quick as possible? That's all I care about. So that's what I've done in this patchwork of a whole bunch of different stuff. And that's how I ended up in Rapid Resolution Therapy too, because it works. It's fast, it's painless, and it does a whole bunch of different stuff.

I love that. And I agree with that. It is one of like the most mind-blowing modalities for me personally, like, I'm still like, I've so much studying to do as I work through it. But just in having had sessions with multiple people, most of them with you, and watching all of the interviews and videos, it just absolutely blows my freaking mind. It's like, why did we spend so many years like on this topic when this was literally resolved in less than an hour? It's unbelievable.

Yeah, and, and that's mainly the message that, that I keep wanting to share, is that a lot of people think there are no solutions and that certain things aren't possible. And for me, either I found solutions and I want to share those and say, no, it's absolutely possible and it's also being done every single day, or okay, maybe we haven't found a solution yet, so we're going to keep looking. Just because we haven't found it yet doesn't mean that it's not there. We'll absolutely keep looking. I believe that there is a key for every lock, so there's a solution for anything that's considered a problem. And if we haven't found it yet, it's not because it doesn't exist, it just means that we need to look a little wider. That's all.

I love that. I love that. Um, okay, so there's so many things I could ask you and so many, um, like areas we could go into, but I guess just to like round it out, is there anything you wanted to say that I didn't touch on, or Just like any advice or last points for someone listening regarding like wherever they are in their journey, somewhere on their journey of healing.

Sure. So I just want to applaud you for showing up for yourself. My guess is that not everyone in your life is applauding you like that, and maybe you haven't been either. And I know it's not easy, and also know that not everybody does it. Some people decide that it is the way it is and that's just the way they are, and everyone else is going to have to work around with that and deal with that. You know, there are people who don't work on their anger issues because they say, that's just who I am and other people are going to have to adjust. But I'm thinking that's not you. I'm thinking that you are interested in having things be better for yourself and having things be better in your life. And so I just want to appreciate that. And I also just want to share that there is possibility. So sometimes people hear stories of, oh, you know, I was, I was sick and now I'm better, and that's encouraging. And sometimes people hear those stories and think, ugh, why can't it be me? Or that's frustrating, or now I feel worse, or something like that. And so just know that it is possible and that if that's exciting, great, lean into that. And if that feels like, oh well, why didn't I hear about this before, wasted so much time, just start right now. Just start right now and think about what tomorrow could look like and what next year could look like and the year after that could look like with all of this possibility and start there.

That's beautiful. Thank you for that message. Um, and I want to echo that. I say this at the end of like every program, just how, I don't know, inspiring and like how much of an honor it is to be in the presence of people doing the work. So few people even dare to believe that there's anything they can do about their reality. They don't even want to go there. They don't even want to take responsibility or think that, um, they could. And just like such a small tiny fraction of humanity, um, is willing to take that leap. And that leap just paves the way for other people to do it, and it has such a huge ripple effect on the planet. And so I'm so honored always to be in the presence of people or to be speaking around people who are having these conversations and doing this work. It's such a powerful energy. And so thank you so much for your time today and for all of this. It's been such a pleasure as always.

Thank you, Faith.

Thank you so much for tuning in to the podcast today and listening to this kickoff episode. Before you sign off, I wanted to let you know that since recording this episode, River has changed her username and website, so make sure that you go to the show notes to find her contact information if you you want to get in contact. If not, go ahead and search her on Instagram @therealriveralia, and her website is actually linked there, or you can just type in therealriveralia.com. Have a great day, you guys!