Legal Fockery Weekly Zoom

Gianna Miceli, founder of Legal Fockery University, hosts a Monday Zoom for members and new students (18 newcomers). She announces a new property‑tax‑reduction class, a free masterclass on lawfully exiting the IRS, and updates on recent case work. The discussion covers: (1) research on property‑tax statutes and a forthcoming class; (2) strategies for handling IRS lock‑in letters, CP‑59/CP‑59‑like notices, and crafting perjury‑affidavits; (3) a case where a couple was forced to repay Obamacare subsidies and how the group resolved it; (4) a jury‑duty affidavit using Uniform Commercial Code citations; (5) creation and promotion of a non‑statutory foreign‑national ID and the legal distinction between US citizenship and contractual status; (6) a market update on physical silver, support‑level analysis, and promotion of the Campus 10 “Money and Metals” course; (7) Gianna’s personal entrepreneurial backstory and philosophy of cash‑based business without traditional accounting; (8) promotion of additional courses (private‑business, non‑statutory ID) and the CFO Sylvia financial‑tracking app. Participants (Patty, Scott Townsend, John) ask questions about silver pricing and retirement‑account roll‑overs into precious metals. The tone is promotional, instructional, and enthusiastic, with occasional personal anecdotes and community‑building remarks.
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Hello everyone, this is Gianna Miceli, founder of the Legal Fockery University. Welcome to our Monday Zoom. We are at the new time at 7 PM. So far so good, you know, I don't see much of a difference, but I'm willing to keep going. You know, sometimes people just don't realize we made some changes. Welcome Patty, our silver stacking expert. Hey Patty girl, hi!
Good, how's everybody doing?
We are so fabulous. Uh, I have like a new way I'm conducting meetings now— not meetings, but the Zoom still people coming in. Uh, I want to talk about some fun things. I am busier than a one-armed paper hanger since I am a paralegal now, because people— it's amazing and I love it because we learn so much. We are so fantastic and so advanced from any other so-called freedom group. That's why I get like— I get offended, I will. Like, people tag me with the Pickle Idiot, you know, and, um, really only him because he's such a dork. Um, but we have evolved so much, and I really appreciate my OGs noticing. So let's talk about what's happened in just one week, you guys, since I have instituted some new protocol to really talk to the new people. 18 people have been through, are new to the university. Okay, welcome all the 18 people. And there's something else to announce to you tonight. Well, I'll go in this order. I'll go in the order of my chart here. I have been promising that I've been digging into the property tax situation, even though I don't own any property. But that is a 400-year-old albatross. I know Patty's done some digging, and it's very difficult to get rid of unless the state gets rid of it on the counties. Patty, you did some research. What do you have to contribute, darling?
I did. They're all statutes.
Yeah, it's, it's also, it's violating our rights. It's definitely a movement we need to keep up. But what I did do this week is create a class about how to lower your property taxes, because I think there's a lot of people that are unaware that there are a lot of opportunities available to lower your property taxes. So, Patty, you went through that class and you liked it. Do you give me a thumbs up?
Oh, yes, I would give— yes.
Oh, thank you. Thank you. So I'm going to launch that class, and there's some people that were in our other property tax class when we had you know who here, who shall not be named. And so I'm going to move those people into the class and let them come through it and get more feedback, and I feel good about it. And we will open that up to all of the university. I had my brother go through it, you know, so I got, you know, some good intel and good results back. This is how many people exited the IRS this week: 9. 9 new people have entered freedom and put their courage to the test— not to the test. Once you get through the class, it's very easy. So I do have a free class free masterclass called— what do I call that? Oh, How to Lawfully Exit the IRS by Exercising Your Rights. We're not doing anything that's tricky. There's no loopholes. The loopholes are on them. And because of this topic being such a hot topic this year with the Somali fraud, I took a class. I spent 3 nights taking a very boring class that will not help my life. Well, maybe it will, on IRS deduction fuckery, as I like to call it. Just so I could be aware and have conversations because sometimes I am in rooms with people who are CPAs and they don't know stuff. They go through training, "We want you to learn the IRS." It's only for taxpayers and almost nobody understands when you're a non-taxpayer, all that nonsense doesn't apply. But there's this movement on social media that since the Somali fraud talking about Just don't pay. Okay, it's part of the equation. It's part because you're violating your Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights by doing so. But if you've been in the system, you will get what I like to call scary letters, and you're not going to know how to respond to those scary letters. I personally craft your letters for you because we have all the responses written and we have uncovered what they do. So even though you exit, you might still get these letters, and there's not 100% rhyme or reason of who gets what. You have what's called the master file that's in a horrific old antiquated computer system that allegedly is being doged and upgraded, but we'll see. And the IRS has lost 30% of their workforce. There's a video going around saying they put all this money— no, they didn't. They didn't. Stop it. I research everything before I talk about it. So the staff is down, which really doesn't matter because we're doing everything by the statutes and exercising our rights and building an administrative offense and defense. And no one else is doing this. Paymon from Freedom Law School, when he's been on Marjorie Taylor Greene and some other— Dinesh D'Souza, some prominent podcasts. The guy is an idiot. He has 30-year-old antiquated information. I'll give him a little props for being an OG, but he did not influence me to exit the IRS. Only God did. I never heard of anybody exiting the IRS when I did it. I just did it because God told me to do it when I read the form and didn't want to commit perjury. And everyone who has signed that form commits perjury, which is 3 to 5 years in prison and $500 to a $100,000 fine. I did it all by myself at my kitchen counter when I was 32 years old, which was a long time ago, 26 years ago. And so that's what we do. So I've got 9 new people free, and then I've done a lot of administrative tax work. We always learn when we dive into these letters, so that's why I know more. Let me finish about Payman. So when he was making his rounds, we called— Patty and I both called— what do you do about a lock-in letter? Oh, oh, we don't have anything for that. That is not covered under their mafia guarantee. And I call it a mafia guarantee because you pay Paymont every year 30% of what you would have paid the IRS based on your income. That's a lot less than I charge, and you exit with me. And so the lock-in letter is not covered. We got lots of people coming in tonight. We started to investigate it and we have it covered preemptively and postemptively. So we have a gal fighting a lock-in letter that she got before she entered the university. She's been fighting it for a while, and they're taking $800 a week out of her check. It's worth fighting for, even if you don't want to file. Who wants to give up that kind of money? And so through that, uh, we realized she had an unknown penalty abatement request because the IRS does not speak English. They speak legal fuckery on these forms. And it wasn't until we got into it together and started to do some research that we discovered what it was. And what it was was for a year she filed filed. So that's a closed contract. And after the filing, two places attached 1099 income to it, and all this time she didn't know. And the letters are not clear. So that's why my IRS class is the best and why I walk the earth the way I do, because I know what I'm doing and I seek to have the knowledge. And then we got a response to a CP-59 letter. That's a, that's a letter, it's kind of like their first time they say, hey, Oh, I can't reach my flags. You didn't file this year. Yeah, because you're quitting. But if you don't respond to the CP-59, the next letter is gonna come, the CP— I think it's a 519. And please, I'm memorizing this shit, which I don't even want to clutter up my beautiful brain cells with, but if it helps the people, it works for me because I've been out of the IRS for 26 years. I've never received a letter, but it's different when you've been in it, and it's different now that we have more computers and things like that. Patty, you're fighting a lock-in letter. Any responses yet?
None. Okay.
The last thing we did is I believe you're asking for a hearing, right?
Yes.
Okay. There is an opportunity to get a hearing. And what we learned by Patty fighting, you guys, is if you do get this lock-in letter, first of all, bring it to our attention right away. And what they say, oh, you have 30 days. Okay. But what they don't tell you on that letter, they want you to call where you're never going to win whoever you're calling. But what we did by digging into it further is that you can get an independent appeal. And then by Scott Bessant's claim on April 15th this year, when he says, oh, make your W-4s exempt as possible. You never want to lie. Don't ever lie on your forms. If you have to fill out a form when you exit, you're not filling out any more forms. But if you have to fill out a form, do not lie because they're going to get you. They're going to get you with that. So What we discovered is there is a way to get an independent hearing. And because of what Scott Bessant said, the meat of what he said isn't about to upgrade your exemptions as much as possible. The underlying position is that he tells the world you are in control and you have every right to declare on your W-4 whatever you want. So take our class and do what you want, which is to exit the IRS, and we will show you how. Because people ask me all the time, oh, they're just— this is how I hear people in my head, like, you know, if you're following me on X or social and you want to know, so ask an intelligent question. Don't jump to, uh, they're gonna take it out of your check anyway. They take out the way you filled out your form. Let's hang in that moment. Uh, so that's what we did. Then we have another fantastic case. Listen to this nonsense. This fabulous couple just came in. They participated, as everyone thought they were forced to do, in Obamacare in 2014 and '15. And like, oh, you qualify, all this, don't take anything free from the government, it's always going to bite you in the ass. But they were told on paper that they qualify. And I know this person's here. If I don't get the story 100% right, I know I'm kind of close, so don't— you know, it's okay. We don't— and we don't want to reveal who you are either. But they were told they qualified for $800 per month for— on the health exchange, you know. And I don't even know if these words are right, but you know, that bullshit Obamacare.
And so that's what it is, right? Yeah.
So in exchange, what does that mean? You know what I mean? Oh, you chime in anytime because you might know better than I do because I don't participate in any. I quit health insurance in 2010. And have never regretted it. I have over 6 figures in a savings account, not a health savings account, only the Gianna Miceli savings account, and I've only used $2,750 in 16 years. So neener neener on, uh, insurance company because you don't get anything. I quit, uh, Blue Cross Blue Shield Platinum because it doesn't pay for anything.
It's the worst.
It's the worst, right? And it's the most expensive. So getting back to this couple, so for I believe 2 years or so they were paying their health exchange, and then the IRS is like, "Oh, you don't qualify for this, and you have to pay all this money back." 24 months times $800, you know, for regular, the average regular person, that's a lot of money. And so they stopped paying since then, and of course there's letters and things coming. So we were able to clean that up very fabulously, and I helped them with that. And we also helped some couple having a big beef. You know, I like to say, who ate that word beef? You know, they're having a beef with their landlord and they only lived in this house for a short while, maybe 5 or 6 months, but it sat vacant for a long time, which they didn't know. And it has all kinds of problems like termites and mold and things. And this couple unfortunately has animals and they're the kind of farmers that moved. So it's hard for them to find a new place, but we crafted complaints because they're withholding the rent. And where that case is looking strong because these people, these people, that's how I hear it in my head, these people, they love to write emails and don't like to talk on the phone. So they put everything in writing and we've got them nailed because of that. And now here's the best victory of the day, which just happened right before we came on Zoom. And I think that gentleman is in here too. So if he wants to talk about it, you feel free to raise your hand. If you have any questions, you guys, if you've never been in a Zoom, hit the bottom, there's a heart and you can click on it. It has a little raise hand and it'll put you in order of your questions. So check this out. So something as simple as jury duty. Most people believe that they must attend jury duty and you do not. But we always like to attend to the statutes and the statute is that you are a US citizen. We do not claim to be US citizens. We learn in my Freshman Foundation to remove that moniker from our lives and to rescind all contracts that call us US citizens. The only place I have to say it is in banking, and because I have declared standing before that, that a US citizen I am not, because that makes me a voluntary unpaid slave and employee of the DC government, not— it's not federal in any way. It's the corporation, and I'm not doing it. And so when you're not a US citizen, under their rules, their rules, which means you have to be a— you have to file— I'm sorry, you have to apply for voter registration, which we recommend you don't do. It's personal decision. But my standing for that is this. And when I tell people, they sort of see the light. A light bulb goes on. Look at any county Voter registration in the entire US of A. The US of A is not the US. And the first sentence is usually something like, are you a citizen of the United States of America? I would say yes to that. 100%. Yes, I am. The United States. All the states are—
used to be independent republics, but I don't believe that's on the voter registration form.
Oh, you please check because I need to tell my check it is. You don't have it on.
Does it say US or US of A?
You— it's— let me finish. United States of America, name, address, phone number, social, blah blah blah. Then there's another place where before you sign, you are swearing under penalty of perjury. Bing! Again, you've got to pay attention to the perjury that you are a US citizen. And so people think those are the same thing. But they're not, and there's proof of it. So let me tell you about the jury duty. So this gentleman came in and I crafted for him a jury duty affidavit as to why he doesn't qualify, and they sent an email response. Now, what he's sending is an affidavit signed under penalty of perjury. We love the penalty of perjury, and he sends it back certified mail where he can prove that they received it. And with them receiving it is notice, knowledge given, UCC 1-202. We have a Uniform Commercial Code class. You should— it's not very hard, but familiarize yourself with it. These are the ones you memorize, the ones that we use. So UCC-202 is very easy. We love 303 also. And, um, they responded with an email. And so we make a second response because we know it's a non-human email. It's just in an automated system, but it's standing. It's them not responding. It's acquiescing. And so then we sent another one, and he still got another email today. And this jury is supposed to start tomorrow. So while I was crafting a third response that he would have to walk into the court tomorrow at 8:15, before I even finished, he sends me an email. Oh, they sent an email that he doesn't have to come anymore because the case canceled. The hell if the case canceled, it did not. They are liar, liar, pants on fire. Now we can't verify that because he doesn't know what case, you know, you just go to jury duty and get in a pool. But here's the thing with the civil servants, they will not give you a common law out, but they will give you a statutory out. And so that's what they did. I will bet all the money and silver. Let me show you all the money and silver that I own. That's what happened. Because what happened is that a human being actually got a hold of his affidavit. The clerk finally saw it. Okay, so that is everything that I want to talk about victories. And, um, so look, I talk— I'll talk about the property class intro, and then I've also made a free master class for Biz in the Private. I really want to get people into this. This is my jam, you guys. This is my jam. The story is, when I started a business in 2002— and I'll tell you this story— I used to think I was a loser because I dropped out of of one of the best prep schools in the state of Illinois, which I believe— and I did not learn this till like a year ago because my parents just didn't want to pay for it. What was $1,500 when I was in high school is now $15,000. For some comparison rates, that's a lot of money to send a kid to high school. But this was such a good school, and my mother knew I was gifted. I skipped second grade. I was in seventh grade science in fifth grade, things like that. I'm a smarty and a cutie. But I don't think they wanted to pay anymore, and they made me leave school. And then they moved to where the corn grows in Illinois, and I'm a city kid. I'm taking buses, trains, and riding my bike, and I couldn't do that anymore. And I just felt like I was choked. And that's a huge reason why I left home at 16. I didn't have the wherewithal to go to college and pay rent and, you know, live on my own. It was hard enough as it is as a kid. It's inconceivable for a 16-year-old today But I never went to college to get indoctrinated into what I can only speculate to be the reasons why people would think, oh, I need to get an LLC or an S corp to run a business. I just opened my business. I made a website, I made a Google ad, the money poured into the door, and I don't need a bookkeeper or an accountant to count my money. I know how to count all my money. And when I had assistants, If they made $1,000 a week, I gave them cash or wrote them a check. And then in 2005, we started taking credit cards for small businesses. That's never hindered me from taking credit cards. All my money's on credit cards now, so I don't need any of that. And I used to think I was a loser, but my story is that I never got indoctrinated. So I just don't know why people do that. And lastly, I want to talk about two wonderful classes that we have. Is when you get to Freshman 5, we have created a non-statutory ID. Oh, I'm in a different camera here. I can't— I'm on a— not the computer, it's on a tripod. This is an ID that we created that is a foreign national beyond statutory jurisdiction with travel rights. Now, we like to put this into the culture. This has been used to get through TSA by booze. FedEx, anything they're asking you for an ID. Even when I went to the bank, they don't— I do have to show— the bank won't take this, but I do have a non-US citizen passport because I'm 100% committed to being a non-US citizen. So I do travel, so I have the passport. And with the card at the bank, you know, I'll show this because I want to get them used to it. And so this is something we sell. And here's the thing, when I first started to create this The proof is always there. So I started to look at the travel documents of the migrants. Patty, migrants and everybody, I hate that word so much. The migrants, you know what it says?
So they're illegals.
Yeah, but when— one moment, tell me I have this in reach distance. Hold on, I've got to get this. I've got to get this to show you. Ah, okay, I have some of my— oh, the driver's licenses. Here's the proof of it, of what we say about your name. Let me grab a driver's license. So when I started to look for this statutory language, we've had this for a long time. Why is it taking so long when I got people sitting waiting for me? Okay, Oh, it doesn't say it on the driver's license, but you'll see it places, um, first name and last name, right? You know what's on— but then when the migrant paperwork, you know what they have? The surname and given name. Okay, notice the difference. But what's on my non-US citizen passport? Surname and given name. And so we have that too, surname and given name. It's very different than first name. It's legal Fauquerie, right? It's always legal Fauquerie. Let me see if it's on my other licenses, all my past licenses of Gianna Miceli past. I thought it used to say that, but there are documents where you'll see it. And so that's the difference. There is a legal difference when they have those things. It could be on— I got my social here too. Let's see if it's on there. I got a lot of crap in this wallet. Oh, here's my social. Let's see. No, it doesn't say— it doesn't say that either, but you've seen it on documents. And so, um, we encourage you to get both of these. This is fun. Someone got a U.S. passport using this. A lot of people think, uh, with the U.S. passports, oh, you got to have the Real ID. No, you don't. Go all the way to the bottom. Read the fine print. Read the fine print when you're getting a passport of what the requirements are. And I believe there was a Supreme Court case— I don't have that in front of me— where a gal produced like an affidavit because I think she was in an Indian tribe and they don't have birth certificates like the Americans do. So those are my topics for today. Patty, what's going on in the world of silver?
Silver, silver was down about 20-some cents today.
Patty knows to the dime.
Yeah, they were selling, you know, um, they're about $1.50 over spot. That's what I sell them for, $1.50, about $2 over spot. I mean, it's sitting in a pretty good position. It's misunderstood. Prices have cooled off, but the reason people ran into hard assets haven't disappeared. Inflation risk, geological instability, debt concerns, and the weakening confidence in the fiat system are still here. Meanwhile, while physical silver continues to, to be tangible asset in a market still dominated by paper contracts. So plus we're at the end of the month, you know, so that, you know, and that's, that has a lot to do with the prices for delivery. So, ah, yeah, yeah, okay, so yeah, so we'll see.
And so Patty's called the Silver Stacker because she's been stacking since like 2009, I think. $7, $8, $9, somewhere in that neighborhood. It was like, you know, $19, $20, $28, even cheaper.
Yeah, $12.
So she is our resident silver guide. There is a campus in— I mean, Campus 10 has a course, Money and Metals, if you would like to dip your toes into this, or if you are experienced at this. Um, the minimum purchase is $2,000. We do suggest that you get some. And what we like to do is this, and that Money and Metals, if we're removing your money from the IRS let's get you building wealth. Okay, we didn't just want to have you, uh, put your money under your mattress. Let's get you building wealth if you want to. There's no charge for her. There's a booking link in there where you can book an appointment with her, and then she'll answer all your questions and hold your hand through a 3-way call with our silver merchant, which, if you've been watching our Zooms, uh, that was our guy that we told the story how he battled the IRS for like 15 years back in the '80s to the '90s, and he won, uh, going pro se with 17 other defendants when they tried to say, oh, you have to charge sales tax. No, he's trading Federal Reserve notes for lawful currency. It's not taxable. And he's a brilliant man. And me and Patty flip out that, you know, he came into her life and she came into my life. We believe God moves the chess pieces of people for a reason, and that's where we are today. And so I'd say you start small, you know, just get something so you get comfortable. I bought, you know, a decent purchase. It took 2 weeks, I think, or 3 weeks when they thought 6. It came early, and I really love these people. This is my third metals merchant that I've ever tried in my life, and they send an email when it's going to come. They do it ahead of time, like, you know, they're getting your package ready, and they'll send you an email Now mine goes to a UPS store. I don't accept mail at my home because it just— I live in a high-rise and I don't want to take any chances. But they want to make sure that you're going to be home, so they're just really efficient, really communicative. And as we like to say, Patty, and I think myself and our civil merchant, we want to give you the Ritz-Carlton white glove treatment. So we're glad you're here. And we have, uh, the first question is from Scott Townsend. How can I help you, sir?
Of course.
The question is for Patty. Where's the level for silver right now?
Where's it at? Well, let's see here. I had that earlier. Um, well, the CO— the COMEX silver enters its critical first notice day delivery window, which is today. I mean, that's on the 30th. Um, yeah, 220 million ounces, I think. I think that's what I read earlier today, was like 220 million ounces.
They're all at Patty's house.
Yeah, yeah, 75 million delivery maybe. I think I read something like that today. So, but that could change by the 30th.
But what about your price support?
What do you mean?
Um, you have— well, where is it?
It fluctuates. Yeah.
It double topped at 120, right? And then it, it took that dramatic climb down, and then it went up and right, keeps going up and so up and down, up and down. The highs and the lows of the retracement right now are getting less and less. So I'm just curious, is the support level in the 60s or is a support level in the 70s? Because it has got, I think, 68.
Um, I think that they're trying to push it down to 50, honestly.
Again, and I, I do, I agree, because that's, that's a major support level.
Well, only, only because, yes, it is long-term, but I, I don't, I don't think it's going to go. That's my opinion. I think it's actually going to stick around the 70s, the 60s and 70s. I think, um, going into May, I think we're gonna, we're gonna see some we're going to see some pretty big moves.
Okay, well, I'm just curious, I was just curious what your thought on that support level prices. So thank you.
Well, yeah, I mean, I've heard 50, I've heard that, I've read that. Um, so who's talking about that? The people that are manipulating the market, that's who's talking about that. Exactly. So they want you to sell, they want you to sell at 75, right? Oh yes, they're going to see, they're going to scoop up all your silver, and then when it hits 50, well, they'll just buy, they'll buy more. So they want to put fear, fear into you.
No, not going to get fear from me.
Yeah, all good, Scott.
Good, good.
Now there's something, uh, people may not know is you can move your 401k and your IRA, you know, once you're IRS-free. So we help you move them into metals. You know, let's do that. So please go see how to buy metals in our Campus 10. And one other thing I love to promote, I love my CFO Sylvia app. Every single night at 9 PM, how many people join the CFO Sylvia? It's free. You load up your financial information every night at 9 o'clock. I can see where my metals went up and down. Um, it connects to my bank account, so I know that my money is flowing from my, you know, my, my Stripe account into my money. I always have a handle on my net worth every single day. I believe you should be money knowledgeable. John, how can I help you, sir?
Yeah, I was just going to add to that. If you do an IRS, if you roll your— I'm sorry, your 401(k) into a precious metal-backed 401(k), then what you'd want to do is go ahead, take physical demand of that, and then you just—
delivery.
Yep. If you've done your— if you've done your IRS class, then you just don't pay the taxes on it. So you get your money out. And if it's just like if you don't hold it, you don't own it. So even—
right, John.
Right. It does have to sit there for a little bit though.
I think like 6 to 8 months. Yeah, I did mine that way.
Just while money transfers. Yeah, while money transfers.
That way you don't get hit with the taxes and all that and early, you know, penalties for taking your money out of your 401(k). So that's another good advice tip for those that are looking to get it.
Thank you. And, you know, so a lot of people say, oh, where are all these people and testimonials? They're right here. We do this every Monday. You can meet people. It's also like an emotional support place too, you know. Um, does anybody else want to talk about anything? Any more questions? We're at only at half an hour. Boy, it whizzed by. Going once, twice, three times. Boom! All right, everybody, we'll see you on the inside. Bye, Patty!










