Dr. Melissa Sonners: How to Heal After Lyme Disease and Toxic Mold Exposure | TUH #051

My entire nervous system went into a massive state of fight or flight took over my body. I couldn't breathe my way out of it. It was like a systemic overhaul. I imagine it feels very similar to a panic attack. The doctor kindly told me I'm just a tired mom of three and I should just go home and rest. I said, I'm not leaving your office unless you will write in the chart that you refuse to test my blood. I needed to stand up for myself. I needed someone else to know that something was wrong. So we got my blood drawn. I had Lyme disease. And then we later found out that there was massive mold on our sailboat.

Mold toxicity, microtoxins and metals are becoming incre. Increasingly more prevalent.

So I picture any other woman who went in there that maybe doesn't know her body or doesn't know what labs to ask for, probably would have gotten sent home and what would have happened.

Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brca, where we go down the road of every everything. Anti aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. As you know, I've been on this little mini mission thanks to Dr. Gabrielle Lyon. Shout out to her. You know, I was on my Instagram one day and I was actually looking at Dr. Gabrielle Lyons Instagram, and she had an influencer guest of hers that made a very good point and said, hey, if you follow Gary Bracken, Huberman and some of these other podcasters that.

Are doing great things out there in.

The world, they seem to have a heavy, heavy focus on men and, and, you know, male hormone therapy and, you know, male dominated audience and a lot of transitions between a lot of our male clients. And instead of taking that as an assault, I was like, you know what?

She's right.

And you know, my, my role and responsibility at the Ultimate Human is to give a voice to the best products, to give a voice to the best practitioners, and to push people up through the noise that are doing great things for humanity. And today's guest is going to absolutely do that. And ladies, listen up, because this podcast is going to be largely for you. So welcome to the podcast. Dr. Melissa Sars.

Thank you so much. I'm so excited. That was such a great intro. I'm so glad you're, you're giving more voice to feminine power on here. It's so important.

Yeah, you know, I really try to.

Listen to the audience. You know, when I, I had an interesting journey at the beginning of the Ultimate Human podcast, I signed this deal with a big talent agency. And I realized once we launched the podcast that, you know, I started getting all these ad reads for like energy drinks and CBD gummies and junk vitamins. And you know, I told my, my crew, I was like, look, I'm not, I'm not reading any of these ads, you know, this. I don't care if I'm under contract or if they've paid for, for the platform space, you know, you know, this is not in service to my mission. And part of my objective is to give a voice to the best products, you know, you'll find if you listen to the podcast. I'll shout out competitors all the time. I don't consider them competitors. I consider us having the same mission. And really dawned on me that I had not just a male dominated audience, but I had male dominated guests on the podcast. I had a male dominated transitions, you know, most of the life changing, you know, Dana White, you know, Stephen A. Smith, all of these guys. And you know, we looked at our stats and I have a large female audience and so we gotta give the ladies some love.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I love what you're doing. You know, you're coming from a place of integrity too.

Thank you.

Just in talking about your ads and in the age of information, there's so much free information out there that we have to, you know, when you, when we have these platforms where people are relying on us for great free information, we've gotta come from a place of integrity and stay in our mission based hearts. I think that's so key. I love that you're doing that.

Thank you. Yeah, you know, it was, we had a little bit of a legal kerfuffle and I hired a great chief of staff, this woman, Kemi Fisher, and she went in and negotiated us to buy the entire platform back. And now our, our mission internally is that we will not do an ad read for a product or service that I either don't use every day in my daily life or I don't have firsthand knowledge of. And you kind of seen around the place, there's a graveyard of products tucked in the back right corner. And then there's the ones that I really want to give a voice to. And one of those practitioners that I want to give a voice to and I have this philosophy and it's a big theme that runs through the ultimate human, that the people that are in the greatest service to humanity and are, are those people that solved an issue. They went through a real struggle and their purpose came from their Pain. So. So talk a little bit about your journey.

Yeah. Thank you. You know, my story is really powerful because it's really a universal story for every woman out there, and probably for a lot of the men, too. You can let me know.

Yeah.

But my story is something that happened because I stopped taking care of myself. And as women, I know that's such a relatable thing. It's like we put everybody and everything ahead of ourselves on our to do list. And guys really do this too, you know?

Yeah. In the mortality space, we called this caregiver syndrome. It was actually a real syndrome. Right. I mean, we know that when one spouse passes, especially after a really prolonged marriage, the next one is quickly to follow. But in. In smaller ways, we would factor in this comorbidity that we called caregiver syndrome. So I didn't mean to cut you.

Off, but that's okay. That's okay. And I got really sick. And I'm really excited to share the details of that because it's really powerful. And a lot of women might hear my story and dismiss it because they didn't get as sick as I got, or maybe they didn't get as tired or worn down as I got. But I will tell you that the choices that we make on a daily basis are either leading us towards sickness or health. You know, I mean, you talk about this all the time. And especially as women, natural caregivers, if we're not careful, maybe you won't find yourself as sick as I got, but you're probably headed pretty close to that. Right. And so in my story, what I had to do was create a strategy to make self care easy. And I know we're going to get into that, but basically, you know, I'm a mom of three. My husband.

How old?

Who's here?

Husband's in the background here right now.

They're 13, 11 and 7. We have two boys and a little girl.

11, 7. Okay.

Yeah. You've got a good spread, too.

Yeah, I've got them 25, 23 and 19.

Yeah. Yeah.

So you'll be there soon?

Yeah. I feel like we're in that golden age right now where, like, they still love us, they want to be with us.

I'll tell you, it just gets better and better and better.

Yeah, that's how I feel about it all the time.

My kids are my best friends and they're my ride or die. They work with me full time. They're in school full time. You know, they really just caught the bug. And it's the Greatest blessing in life.

I really, I love that. I mean, our kids watch, they are involved in all of our business conversations. It's like, we want them. They're a family. Right?

Yes.

I love to hear you say that because so many times as a mom, I've heard, enjoy it, because this is gonna pass. And it's like, it feels like you're trying to hold sand in your hand, right? I am enjoying it. And sometimes it's hard and it's not always enjoyable. Right. And then the mom guilt comes in.

Well, you know, I actually was listening to Peter Attia on a podcast, I think it was a human podcast that he was on. And he was talking about a statistic which really just was eye popping to me. And he said, you get 19 years as a parent with your children. The first 18 are when they live with you, when they're. When they're with you full time. The last year is spread over the entirety of the rest of their life.

Oh, wow.

And I was like, how sad is that? And if I'm bastardizing that comment, I apologize. I. I should have probably gone back and made sure it was accurate. But it was something along those lines that the last year was literally spread out, you know, amongst the balance of your life. You want to get them in here? Welcome to the set. All of your kids.

But anyway, so when our kids were little a few years ago, we had a six year old, a four year old. The boys were six and four. They're pretty close in age. They're like 20 months apart. And our baby girl was a year old. And we have a sailboat or we had a sailboat when we lived in New Jersey. I love seeing the sailboats out here.

Right on.

And we spent a lot of weekends on the water as a family. Kind of like getting away from work in the office and just being together. And we were on the sailboat, we spent the night on there. Oldest son had a friend sleeping over. So we had four kids, six and under with us in the middle of the water on a sailboat. And we're like getting ready. I'm tucking them all in. And all of a sudden I. Basically my. My entire nervous system went into a massive state of fight or flight. Like took over my body. I couldn't like breathe my way out of it.

Like a panic attack.

Like a panic attack. Yeah. I would imagine it just, it was like a systemic overhaul. I imagine it feels very similar to a panic attack, which I had never had. I tried to have a glass of wine, which would normally calm I would think. And it did the opposite. So, of course, being like a good woman that we put on ourselves to be that way. I didn't say a word to my husband. And I stayed up all night trying to figure out what the hell was going on with my body. So the next morning, I was like, jay, there's something really wrong. Like my. I could start to feel my vertebrae lock up one by one. Like, I was getting really stiff. Massive headache. I was like, something's not right. I don't feel good. He's like, how about you go home and rest? So you take the four kids home and rest.

I'm going to men. Male power right there.

I'm going to meet my dad for a fishing trip. I was like, where can I get a big enough coffee that I can make this 45 minute drive home? He had no idea because I didn't. I minimized it. Right. We're so good at doing that.

There's 100,000 women looking for your husband right now.

The best support. He had no idea because I was like, something's not right. Instead of something is massively wrong. I need you to drive me home right now. And we do that as women. Right?

Right.

So fast forward, you know, we're back to the work week. Things are getting progressively worse. Our clinic. We have a beautiful integrated wellness center in New Jersey. We had built it 15 years prior. It's two miles from our home. I spent nearly every day there. I was driving to the clinic and literally had to pull over. I was lost. Thank God. I couldn't remember the address. I literally had to plug the address into my map to find my way to a place I had been every day for 15 years.

Wow.

So I knew. I was like, something is very wrong here. I went to urgent care. Our phlebotomist wasn't in that day. So I got my labs. Well, I went to get my labs drawn. The doctor kindly told me I'm just a tired mom of three and I should just go home and rest. Yeah. And like, there's no way you're going home to rest as a mom of three. So luckily, being a practitioner, I'm a chiropractor, but at least I know the insides that I said, I'm not leaving your office unless you will write in the chart that you refuse to test my blood. Like, I needed to stand up for myself. I needed someone else to know that something was wrong. So we got my blood drawn. I had Lyme disease. And then we later found out that there was massive mold on our sailboat. So that is what kicked me over. That was like that final straw for me.

We see a lot of mold and mycotoxin. I heard on a previous podcast, guest of mine, a practitioner out of Tampa, told me that the mold capital of the world, if not of the United States. And I don't know if there's data to support. This is Miami and Malibu, California. And I'm like, well, crap, I live in Miami. But, you know, we see so many new patients a month in our. In our clinic. But mold toxicity, mycotoxins and. And metals are becoming increasingly more prevalent. Maybe it's just that we're testing more for it. And. And a lot of these chronic conditions, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, these sort of catch all diagnoses, irritable bowel syndrome, these sort of spherical diagnoses that catch everything are probably a lot more mold and mycotoxin and metal related. And so you find out that you have Lyme. Yeah, that was actually pretty. I'm kind of surprised that an urgent care would give you a Lyme titer test. Or did you ask for that?

I asked for that.

Okay. I was gonna say, because normally they wouldn't have.

Yeah.

Any idea?

That's where I said it was. You know, thank God that I knew, because I picture any other woman who went in there that maybe doesn't know her body or doesn't know what labs to ask for probably would have gotten sent home and what would have happened, you know, you just continue to work yourself into the ground.

Yeah. But at least you have an enemy now. Right now you have.

At least I have an enemy. Yeah. And what I realized in the process, you know, I got really sick and I watched what happened to our family when I went down. So I had. I was the one taking care of our staff. Right. I was managing our team, hiring our team. I was obviously, my husband plays a major role in our family, but I was also breastfeeding and co sleeping. So, like, there was a lot of things that I had to do that I was struggling to get done. I had a fully load of patients. So I watched my husband's stress increase as he watched me start to dwindle. Right, right. And so in that process, while we figured out how to get myself better, which, thank God, once we knew it was Lyme and once we knew it was mold, we pivoted into all the tools that we have in the office. The hyperbaric, the sauna, the red light.

And I want to talk about that because there Are a lot of people listening right now that may have it, don't know they have it, but are going to identify with your story or have it and don't really know what to do because conventional medicine doesn't offer a lot for mold.

Mycotoxins, yeah, we can definitely talk about that. And I also found what was really important to me, Gary, is that as a chiropractor we're trained to look at the body as this incredible healing machine. And so it's basically stress that pushes us into disease or dysfunction. So whether it's physical, chemical or emotional stress, we see stress as like a bucket, our ability to manage stress as a bucket, so our stress accumulates. And when that bucket gets full and overflows, there's your symptoms. Right, right. I know you know this. You talk about things all the time. So I had been pregnant, breastfeeding and co sleeping for seven years. So I was doing everything right in the physical world. I was doing my CrossFit workouts, I was fasting, I was living a low carb lifestyle. But my emotional stress has gotten so high that that mold, you know, you ask the question like, are we seeing it more? Are we testing for it more? Has it always been in the environment and maybe now we just can't handle it because our emotional stress is so high? I think that's a big piece of the puzzle. And as a woman, when we think about what can we do to address our emotional stress, that I think in the past has gotten really overwhelming to women because we think about self care, a massage, these things that we have to like duck out and escape from our lives in order to incorporate. So I knew I needed to create a system not only to help me, but to help women that we could do self care while we're driving our kids to school. We could do self care as we're getting ready to hop in that room with that patient or on that zoom meeting.

And I think there's sometimes for a lot of women, there's a lot of guilt around self care. They think self care is selfish. Right, right. They think that putting themselves first is putting their kids or their husband or their career second. And I actually think the opposite. Right. I mean, I, it's like the analogy of put your oxygen mask on before you even assist your own child.

Right.

I mean, because if you pass out, you're going to be no good to your, to your child. I mean, that's an extreme example of it. But I, I have a tendency to agree with you that, you know, mental fitness you know, emotional stress and self care are kind of these things that nobody wants to talk about.

Yeah. There's definitely a reframe that we need to have as women. And it's not selfish and it's not about being selfless. Like, it's almost like we're taught as women and caregivers. Oh, you're such a selfless person.

Yeah.

Mother Teresa is such a selfless person. Like, that's such a good thing. Mother Teresa flew first class.

Yeah.

Did she?

You have got to be able to take care of yourself.

I love that. Because I'm a travel.

Yeah.

But yeah.

In order to be able to take care of others. So, you know, the big thing that I came up with for women and I would love to spend some time on this, is that we have got to be willing to spend time with ourself. We have got to be willing to sit with ourself because that's where true self care starts. And this kind of self care that we're going to talk about is free. It's easy, and you can access it at any time.

Wow.

But the tough thing when I talk to women about sitting with themselves is there's a few challenges that come up right out. Right out the gate. Yeah. Is it okay if we.

Yeah, yeah, let's go do. My. Ladies are tuning in right now.

Yeah, yeah. And men listening to this, share this with your girlfriend or your girlfriends or your wife because she needs this message so badly. So, you know, when we, like, women do not have access to sitting throughout the day much of the time, and neither do men. Right. Like, this is not just a message for women.

Right.

And you think about one. How can we carve out that time? We're running around doing all the things in our jobs with our family, all the things. You guys are doing them as well. If we can actually find that five minutes in the morning or at the end of the day to finally sit down. If you tell someone to not do anything in that space, think about before you had your incredible breathwork practice or a meditation practice and someone told you to sit and do nothing.

Oh, it's the worst. I used to go to these guided meditation classes, and it would drive me crazy because, like, I would lay down on the table.

Yeah.

In a dark room, the candles going, music's playing, and the practitioner is like, there's. There's a hallway. And at the end of the hallway there's a light. And I'm like, well, can we get to the end of the hallway? Because clearly something there's something there? Yeah, there's something going on down there, and there's nothing. There's not a damn thing going on where we are. So let me get to the spot. That's the point. Gary, just go with it. I'm like, okay, I can't do this. I want to get to the hallway where the light is. But I know what you mean. So you sit in this space for five minutes.

So if you tell someone to sit for five minutes, if I'm like, women, we know. We need more nurture. We know. I mean, all day you're just like, I just want to sit. I just want to get to Friday and, like, sit on my couch and relax and catch my breath. But you go to sit, and what do we do? These thoughts come up like, oh, my God, what am I doing here? What's my to do list? Why am I sitting here? What is this supposed to feel like?

Get on my phone.

So maybe if we go deep enough, we start to feel some feelings. Maybe like, oh, God, today was horrible. Or, oh, my God, I didn't run that meeting the way I should have. Or it's like the shoulds, coulds, didn't, wouldn't. So what do we do? We distract ourselves out of it. What do we grab to distract ourselves out of that feeling of sitting? If you're sitting and you're doing something and it's not being internal, what is it? It's grabbing your phone, right? So we grab our phone, and it distracts us out of that moment, but it also pulls us into more of, like, the shoulds, the not good enoughs.

Right?

We're either scrolling social media, we're scrolling our emails, and maybe we're meal planning, we're doing all the things. Scrolling social media, we're scrolling our emails, maybe we're meal planning, we're doing all the things. So in my mind, what I like to encourage women to do is to have a gateway tool to help us sit. And it's a book. So what if instead of picking up your phone, which is a negative habit, instead of just not picking it up, instead of, you replace that negative habit with a positive habit? So you're not just not picking up your phone, but you're picking up a book instead? Okay, and what if you're picking up a book like Michael Singer, Untethered Soul? I don't know if you've read that book, but it's incredible. In that book, he talks about becoming the observer in our life. Right? This is really powerful stuff because as women, we have Gotten to a place of fearing these, like, dark, shadowy emotions. Right.

Right.

If I feel angry, that's bad. If I feel sad, I got to get my out of it.

Right?

Right. And so what we can do in becoming the observer is create distance from these thoughts. It's not about not feeling them, but it's almost like if you have a girlfriend that's going through something, like, very emotional, you can meet that girlfriend and give her advice because you're on the outside and you're not, like, feeling it as much.

Right.

You can rationally work through that problem.

Right.

When it's ourself and we're, like, lost in the emotion or trying to distract ourself out of it, it's like we lose the insight that's in that feeling.

Right.

So when we can become this observer, we can start to ask ourselves questions about these emotions. What is it about this situation that's making me feel? Why am I sad about what just happened? Why am I feeling jealous or guilt? And from there, we can get these really powerful insights into what we want or don't want in our lives rather than just continuing to do what we do. And, like, stuffing these feelings in the closet.

Right.

These are powerful emotions. And I want to talk about some of that when we talk about.

And so you're saying they should start with five minutes at a time. Just say either in the morning or when they get the kids home and just find a place for five minutes. Could you make some book recommendations? Maybe I'll even throw them in the show notes that the first one being one of them. And just start with this. Five minutes of self care. That's your first.

There's two things I would say. So one is having a book with you wherever you go. And I actually started because I wanted to help women do this. I created a free online community. We have a women's book club where each month I recommend a book that helps empower us. And then in our meetings, we apply the concepts in that book to our lives as women. So I know. We'll link that below. They can join my book club.

Sure. That'd be great.

They can even just look at my recommended book list. But yes, have a book. I even brought my book in my bag here.

Perfect.

Because you never know when you'll have that five minutes. Like, if I get to school, pick up five minutes early, I can either grab my phone or I can grab a book. Right. So it's making that choice. It's like when people are making lifestyle and diet changes. Health coaches will say the battle isn't won or lost at the mealtime, it's won or lost at the grocery store. Right, right.

So true.

So for women, in creating this five minutes, everyone can carve out five minutes a day to nurture. The battle is won or lost. When you put down your phone and.

You pick up a book and I think that, you know, I like this habit because it's, you know, it's a five minute commitment. And I think what ends up happening is you start to derive so much insight and joy from that that it becomes a 15 minute habit, becomes a 30 minute habit. And the phone fades and this. And self care starts to take the stage.

Yeah, absolutely. Because, you know, we're dopamine addicted and so we easily get dopamine hits from our phone, but it doesn't feel good after.

Right.

So when we can just put that down, grab the book, win the battle right there, you're gonna get so many feel good chemicals. And then to your point, you're gonna anchor into that feeling next time you get to make a decision.

And so, you know, instead of wasting time or diverting attention to a fiction novel, which is just sort of just filling the space, you're saying, fill the space with something that's gonna give you.

Bring you some meaning, that's gonna help you tune in. Yep. So like Untethered Soul by Michael Singer is a book that we read in our book club. Breaking the Habit of being yourself by Dr. Joe Dispenza. He's got some incredible. Right now we're reading Atomic Habits by.

James Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself. That's a great title, right? Yeah, yeah. But I'm a big fan of Joe Dispenza.

Yeah.

And what was the last one that you said?

We're doing Atomic Habits right now by James Clear. So, you know, talking about a five minute habit switch. So another thing I'm doing is I'm taking women through a 31 day challenge. Give me 20 minutes with you in the morning. Or if you want, start with 10. And each day they're getting an email that, here's why we do this. Right. Here's what it's going to do to your nervous system and this is how it's going to translate into your life today.

I love that.

There's an inspirational quote and then there's a journal prompt.

Okay.

So I have them wake up, set a timer, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, you choose. And just sit and just sit and let the stuff come. And it's going to be uncomfortable. But we're doing it together and it's okay. And then you were dump. You write, you write all the things. And this may be beautiful poetry or it's most likely going to be like word vomit. It doesn't have to be anything for anyone but you, because in this is where we start to get some clarity.

So, so sit for five minutes, be with your own thoughts, Write down what's coming to you either. Maybe it's like you said, it's poetry, maybe it's just this, this word vomit. But your suggestion is that, you know, people start with five, women start with five minutes, pick up this book. And now let's say that they begin to incorporate this habit. And at some point I do want to get back to how you addressed your, your, your Lyman mold. They incorporate this habit. What's the next phase of this journey?

Yeah, so I would love to talk about there's five phases to this self synchronization process.

Okay.

That I teach. And to me this is a really important part of the puzzle. So we're going to talk about like the biohacks that I use to get myself better, which is really, really important because I wouldn't have even had the mental capacity to step into these tools. Right. It's like I needed to get in my chamber, I needed to decrease inflammation in my brain, I needed to run some labs, I needed to take some supplements. I couldn't even think straight.

Wow.

Then I could pivot into these self care tools. But I know for me and a lot of women that had I been incorporating these from day one, I probably wouldn't have gotten as sick as I got.

Right.

So this isn't like an either or conversation. This is a both.

And I think, you know, I love the point that you're making there. And I really want to highlight it for the, for, you know, the listeners because you're right about the bucket filling up. And we, we understand things like sleep and, you know, poor diet and things like this, but we don't really realize the impact of these micro stresses that, that eventually fill this bucket up. And essentially what they're doing is when you're in a stress state, when you spend a lot of time in a sympathetic state is it has a negative effect on the immune system. And so when you run the immune system down, you know, other pathogens that it may have been able to ward off, it's now allowing to slip through and to, and to grow, which to your point, is very likely what happened in your situation. You know, you, you're physically stressing your body at, you know, CrossFit, you're emotionally stressing your body because you've got all of these patients that are relying on you for their journey. Then you're, you know, spiritually stressing your body because you're. You have commitment to your husband, you have a commitment to your kids. You have all these people that are in the front seat that you're really trying to help propel, and it's no one thing. And I think sometimes when people stay, take a step back, and they look at their life, they're like, well, I actually have a good relationship with my spouse. I really love my kids, and I exercise and I eat well, but not really looking at, well, what are you doing for yourself?

Absolutely. I mean, you think about it, I think everybody is really busy. Everybody has a lot going on. And when you add kids to that puzzle, as beautiful like I am, I'm a person that was born wanting to be a mom. Like, I. I'm so in love, obviously, and obsessed with my children. And even just a morning like this morning, like, you can very easily get pulled into a state of fight or flight. Like, it is very tricky to get into a flow state. So we're getting them ready for school. We're getting ready to come here for the podcast. It's like I've heard you talk about on one of your podcasts. You know, ADD is like having multiple tabs open.

Yeah.

So as a mother disorder. Yeah. As a mother or as a busy woman juggling a lot of things, whether you have children or not, you have to have multiple tabs open. I'm going from the kitchen to my bedroom to grab something that I need for getting out the door. And there's five things that happen on the way. Right. So you're constant. Your immune system is constantly bombarded because you're constantly in the state of fight or flight, to your point. And so if we're not taking those daily dips, then that can accumulate. And I think something that's really important to mention here is that we can't live in a bubble. Right. So whether it's mold or to my bedroom to grab something that I need for getting out the door. And there's five things that happen on the way. Right. So you're constant. Your immune system is constantly bombarded because you're constantly in the state of fight or flight, to your point. And so if we're not taking those daily dips, then that can accumulate. And I think something that's really important to mention here is that, you know, or toxins in the environment. Or air fresheners and fragmentation. Fragrances.

Fragrances.

I can't even say the word because we avoid them at all costs.

Febreze Fragrances.

Febreze. The pine sole things. We can't live in a bubble, right? So whether it's mold or toxins in the environment, or air fresheners and fragrances.

Fragrances.

I can't even say the word because we avoid them at all costs.

Febreze. Fragrance.

Febreze. The pine sole. Things that hang in the ooze.

Yeah, the worst.

But we also. There's a place for, like, being able to handle it. And I think that's where the magic comes from. And that's what I want to help women do. Because we can't control our external worlds. We can only hang in the worst.

Yeah, the worst.

But we also. There's a place for, like, being able to handle it. And I think that's where the magic comes from. And that's what I want to help women do. Because we can't control our external worlds. We can only control the internal.

So I want to get back to these five steps. So five minutes with a book, journaling, and let's move through these other five phases. Because you coined the term in your bio, I forget what it was. It wasn't biohacking.

Self synchronization.

Self synchronization.

I liked control the internal.

So I want to get back to these five steps. So five minutes with a book, journaling, and let's. Let's move through these. These other five phases. Because you coined the term in your bio. If it was, it wasn't biohacking.

Self synchronization.

Self sync. Sound of that word. So, you know, it starts with the baby steps of five minutes to yourself and choosing a book that's going to empower you, not just distract you and some journaling. And then where do they progress from there?

So that would be what I call the self sync step. So first we sit with the self, right? So the book is the tool for that. Then it's the shadow sync. So the shadow is the word that I like to use for what we as women might call negative emotions or bad feelings. And we have become, like, dangerously good at avoiding these feelings. Anger, shame, guilt, sadness, jealousy. And there is so much magic in these feelings. So the second step, the shadow sync, is all about simply realizing the power of these and giving yourself permission to sit in them longer. What if instead of feeling angry and distracting ourself out of it, like I used to do this all the time. I'd be mad. And I'm like, oh, my God, why am I mad? I gotta go for a run. Like, flip this so I'm good for my day. Rather than realizing that in my anger lies my greatest power. I could go like, crush leg day at anatomy. Those are my best workouts.

Yeah, I got one across the street.

My workout buddy's here. So anger is power. What if sadness we saw as our creativity? Think about your favorite pieces of art that you've ever seen or some of the songs that we all love, especially love songs. Those come from sadness, Right? So the artist writing those had to feel that feeling. Like, that is beautiful art. What if jealousy. This is a big one for us ladies. What if jealousy wasn't something that we shoved in and tucked away because it's such an ugly feeling? Especially if we feel it about our girlfriends.

Right.

What if we saw jealousy as a roadmap for what we want in our lives? And what if we sat with it long enough to figure out, what is it that she wants that I can have?

Yeah.

Like, jealousy is simply desire without action.

Wow.

It's. I want that. And I haven't yet been willing to take the steps to get it.

So kind of reframing it.

Yeah, reframing it.

You know, I. I saw a sad guru the other day, a talk that he did. And this. This mother, it was very painful moment in her life, had lost her. Her daughter. And she was just over. So overcome with sadness. And it had been years since her daughter passed away. And she said she with it every day. She went to bed with it every day. It was like a lead backpack that she wore. And she couldn't. She. She just couldn't get this heaviness and sadness and. And what he did, it was really interesting. He reframed it by. By talking to her that if you want to honor her legacy, you don't want her legacy to remind you of sadness. You want her to remind you of joy. What is the best thing you could do for her in after her passing is you could celebrate the life and time that you had with her. And he just talked about reframing that emotional state to say, you can sort of loud over the loss, or you can rejoice over the time that you had. And then every time something good happens in your life, you can think about your daughter and how she would have reacted in that moment, or that she's actually there with you. And you saw this, like, reframing of that emotional state. So is that what you're talking about is like tapping into those emotions and kind of reframing it.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, that's such a beautiful story. And reframing is so powerful. And, you know, that's a really good story to share because reframing doesn't necessarily mean it's going to feel good. Like, I went through some major sadness and grief last week and it was ugly. Right. But the difference in what happens now since I've reframed it is I feel it. I used to never let myself feel it. And I learn a lot from it. I learn a lot about, like, why is this coming up for me? What is this really about?

Right.

And then it's about doing the work. Right. Because triggers on the outside that make us angry or make us sad or make us jealous, that's all about stuff that we've carried in here. Right. It's very rarely about the actual moment.

So when they're. When they're engaging in this practice, you know, starting with a book they're journaling, and now they're looking at this shadowing, as you call it, when they. When. When they're experiencing that emotional state. What are you suggesting they do with that state, with that emotion?

Yeah, there. I mean, there's a lot there. I have people that I rely on for sure. Like, that's when I tap into, like a life coach. I call my girlfriends. Thank God I have some incredible girlfriends.

Right.

I also tap into something I call the connection code. This is on my site. We can link it as well. But there's five different things that I'll do. I'll either focus on doing something to get into my body and out of my head. Right. So what are things that I can do or women can do to get into their body? We can put on music, we can dance, we can move, we can do yoga. That's one of them. I'll get into my heart. So what gets us into our heart sometimes? Great breath work. Like this morning you were doing your breath work. That'll get you in your heart. I'll get out into the world. Right. Get me out of my home. Get me off my computer, get me off digital. Get me outside in the environment.

Gosh, that's so powerful.

Just that.

Yeah.

It's the most overlooked thing, I think, in all nature. Psychiatric care, nature. Just getting outside of nature.

Yeah. I read this quote the other day. It was like, when we feel disconnected from nature, it's really. We're disconnected from ourself because we are nature. I love that so true. The other one is maybe learn a new skill. Like, there's so much power in like vitamin of information. And for me, that's skateboarding. Lately, like, I'm not good at skateboarding, but I love playing on a skateboarding.

God, this sounds dangerous.

That will get me out of my head. Like, I have got to focus when I'm playing on the skateboard. And the last one is connection with the divine. So I'll basically be like, what is it that I need right now? And I'll tap into one of those or phone a friend.

Okay.

Yeah.

And so now moving through these other five phases, we're at phase three.

Phase three, this is a. This is a really, really important one. The other two are pretty quick. But phase three is cycle sync. So I've heard you talk a lot on your podcast about getting back to basics, Right? So for women, it's living in accordance with our cycle. So our body has this incredible magical.

Yeah, my wife has an app, so she warns me when it's coming.

Yeah, well, so here's the thing.

Can we sync that to my phone?

So I know.

So I know when we're approaching the red zone.

This is really good information for you because you're going to be able to help support her. So the men that are listening to this, take your notes, write this down. This is huge. So, you know, as women, we're designed, it's not an accident, right? What happens with our hormones, there's design for it. We've just gotten disconnected from it, right? So leading up to our cycle, we have a drop of progesterone, estrogen, our neurotransmitters drop, all of our feel good chemicals, our dopamine, our serotonin. So basically all of our protective armor is down. So first of all, when you're with your wife, just think of that, right? Like, she is emotionally naked and vulnerable leading up to her period. So what I always like to, you know, as a chiropractor, my lens is always like, why were we designed this way? So why would women be designed this way? Well, if you look back at indigenous cultures, what would happen during Those times? Well, women 1 were all synced up to the. Disconnected from it, right? So leading up to our cycle, we have a drop of progesterone lunar cycle, because we didn't have all the lights that you talk about all the time. We didn't have blue light and white light, and we were all in sync. And these women were removed from society. They weren't outcasted, they were invited to stop their duties, stop their responsibilities, because the community estrogen, our neurotransmitters, drop all of our feel good chemicals, our dopamine, our serotonin. So basically all of our protective armor is down. So first of all, when you're with your wife, just think of that, right? Like, she is emotionally naked and vulnerable leading up to her period, knew the power of these women gathering together and taking time to go inward. This was the most intuitive time for women to gather and create solutions for problems and challenges within the culture.

So the most intuitive time for them is during this emotional vulnerable state prior to their menstrual cycle.

How far out?

Prior to starting. I think there's other experts. Dr. Mindy Peltz. I don't know if you've had. So what I always like to, you know, as a chiropractor, my lens is always like, why were we designed this way? So why would women be designed this way? Well, if you look back at indigenous cultures, what would happen during Those times? Well, women 1 were all synced up to the lunar cycle because we didn't have all the lights that you talk about all the time. We didn't have blue light and white light, and we were all in sync. Had her on here. She'd nail this stuff. Oh, so good. So that would be a great question for her, but I would say about five to eight days leading up. Okay, okay. So how do we apply this to real world? Because you're not going to send your wife in the red tent with her friends, and we probably have podcasts to be on and patients to see and write. But how can we take that information and live in accordance to that? Well, if we're talking about biohacks, like, this is not the time to push the ice bath. This is not the time to push the sauna. Use it. Right. But this isn't like the. And these women were removed from society. They weren't. No, we had a conversation before the podcast anyway. It's not. More is better anyway. But especially during and leading up to your period.

Okay.

This is a time to nurture. This is a time for slow tune in. Outcasted. They were invited to stop their duties, stop their responsibilities, because the communities knew the power of these women gathering together and taking time to go inward. This was the most for me. This is when I absolutely get in my hyperbaric chamber, is when I'm spending a lot of time on the PEMF mat. Intuitive time for women to gather and create solutions for problems and challenges within the. This is When. If I'm gonna binge lib. Love is blind.

Yeah, love is blind for all those.

All those ladies out there. I know you binge watch. It's total trash. And it's so good.

It's total trash.

It is a train wreck of a show.

Well, we just got off the spiritual bandwagon and went right down.

Well, let's be real. Let's be real. This is when I'm going to watch. If I'm going to watch something on Netflix, this is that time. If I can carve out time for a massage, it's the week before my period.

Really?

If I'm going to get my hair done, it's the week before my period. This is when, like, can someone take care of you? Can we carve out the space? And the last thing on that is culture.

So the most intuitive time for them is during this emotional vulnerable state prior to their menstrual cycle.

Start how far out prior to starting? You know, even just a reframe. Think it's. There's other experts. Dr. Mindy Peltz. I don't know if you've. This is not a time for outward energy. This is a time for inward. So if you've got a big day, a big job, like my hairdresser once, she was like, I'm sorry, I'm not feeling super chatty. I'm leading up to my period, all she had. I mean, I was like, of course. Please. I was not expecting that of you.

Right.

We can reframe. Like, I don't need to shut her on here. She nailed this stuff. Oh, so good. So that would be a great question for her, but I would say about five to eight days leading up. Talk a lot. Today can be a day where I listen. Today can be a day where I'm present. Just setting your intention and giving yourself permission to tune into that.

Right.

The last two real quick.

Okay.

Spirited sync. This one's really, really fun.

Spirited sync.

Spirited sync. So this is getting back to your spirit. This is getting back to what did you like to do as a child? The key to all these is when we have this information again. These aren't like appointments that we have to take. This is like a reframe and things that we can tap into almost at any. Okay, so how do we apply this to real world? Because you're not going to send your wife in the red tent with her friends. And we probably have podcasts to be on and patience to time throughout our day. So what did you like to do as a kid? I like to get on my busy and. Right. But how can we take that information and live in accordance? I like to spend time outside. Yeah, my girlfriend loved to tap dance. So how can we incorporate that into our daily lives? She went on Amazon, got her that. Well, if we're talking about biohacks, like, this is not the time to push the ice bath. This is not the time to got herself a pair of top shoes. And in between her zoom meetings, she taps for two minutes.

That's so awesome. My wife's been really intentional about getting back into dance lately. She actually texts me this this morning about how. How dancing. There was a study that came out on the. On the impact of exercise being actually better than SSRIs.

If I can push the sauna, use it. Right. But this isn't like the. I know we had a conversation before the podcast anyway. It's not. More is better anyway. But especially during and leading up to your period.

Okay.

This is a time to nurture. This is a time for slow tune in.

Find the study. I'll. I'll actually put in the show notes. And that the serotonin. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors did not have as much of a positive outcome as exercise. And specifically that dance mom had the greatest effect on these dopamine levels and actually shifting a state of depression. More so than.

You know, for me, this is when I absolutely get in my hyperbaric chamber, is when I'm spending a lot of.

Time on the PEMF mat, more so than these SSRIs. And so she literally just texted me that this morning. So she's definitely going back and start dancing. She's gonna dance. She's not depressed, but I mean, she's just gonna dance her way into a state of really healthy.

Well, it gets you out of your head and into your heart and into your body.

Right.

So I did something similar. I would call these macro self cares. Right. Macro self care would be going to the dance class.

Right.

Micro self care. If you have like a quick two minutes, it's putting on music at your house and like shimming your hips in between phone calls.

Right.

So I was a gymnast growing up and I loved gymnastics. And when I was 11 years old, I made team and I was really shocked. This is when. If I'm gonna binge lib. Love is blind.

Yeah, love is blind for all those.

All those ladies out there. I know you binge watch. It's total trash. And it's so good. I. And so I quit. I quit before competition.

It's total trash.

It is a train wreck of a show. And when I started asking myself what did I like to do as a kid, that was like the deep, deep one that I was like, God, I love gymnastics. But I could never get back. I had a screw it moment. And last year I was like, why can't I get back? So I called, I called our kids gymnasium.

Your wife's a daredevil over here. Like skateboarding, gymnastics, it's all about getting a flow. Yeah.

So I called our kids gymnastics studio and I asked if they would coach me and they said come tomorrow. So at the age of 41, I started taking classes. And a few months after classes, our kids had a gymnastics competition. And the coach asked me if he wanted me if I would compete.

No way.

I competed.

Did your kids give you the stink guide?

In my children's gymnastics competition, you know what? They were a little embarrassed, but what I, I watched these girls watch me. I watched these girls watch me at the age of 41 compete in a gymnastics competition. And all I could think of is I pray that when they're older they see this and they remember, you know. And like I've seen them out in the community and they're like, you're that girl, you're that girl that competed in our competition.

Yeah.

So the spirit sync is all about getting in flow is really what it is. And we do that by participating in play. So there's not a lot of time in our day where we're completely present in the moment. So for women it might be dance, it might be gymnastics, it might be movement. For guys, more of our adrenaline seeking guys. Like for my husband, he almost has to be like facing death to be present. Right? These hundred foot wave surfers, the reason that they love it is it puts them in the present moment, it puts them in flow.

Right?

You think about during your day, all the thoughts that you have. There's very few times where we're focused on one thing. So the gift of tuning into your spirit and spirit sinking is being present.

Wow.

That's where you get dopamine.

So. So being present, finding something that you know, get back to your why and find something that really feeds. So let's, let's walk through the first four again before we get to number five. And walk us through that again.

So self sync, that was sitting with the book as a tool.

Book start. Five minutes journaling.

Yeah, I've got that book club for anyone that wants a resource. I've got a 31 day challenge. I'll Sit with you in the morning.

We just got off the spiritual bandwagon and went right down. Yeah.

Well, let's be real. Let's be real. This is when I'm going to watch. If I'm going to watch something on Netflix, this is that time. If I can carve out time for a massage, it's the week before my period.

Really?

If I'm gonna get my hair done, it's the week before my period. This is when, like, can someone take care of you? Can we carve out the space? And the last thing on that is, you know, even just a reframe. This is not a time for outward energy. This is a time for inward. So if you've got a big day, a big job, like my hairdresser once, she was like, I'm sorry, I'm not feeling super chatty. I'm leading up to my period, all she had. I mean, I was like, of course, please. I was not expecting that of you.

Right.

We can reframe. Like, I don't need to. The next one is Shadow Sync. So understanding the power of our emotions, sitting with them, phoning a friend, maybe drawing, journaling, getting some of that energy out. The third one is Cycle Sync. Living in accordance with our cycle is talk a lot. Today can be a day where I listen. Today can be a day where I'm present. Just setting your intention and giving yourself permission to tune into that.

Right.

The last two real quick.

Okay. Spirit women and the. Just to summarize that this is like going into your menstrual cycle. The time where you're not pushing yourself too intentional, intensely, physically. You're not doing the extreme ice baths and saunas and some of the other things. You're sort of focusing on your nurture, nurturing yourself.

And there's pieces of that for every part of the cycle. I have that on my platform. I just figured we'll touch on it here.

And. And. And I like the idea of. Of, like I said, my. My. My wife keeps hers on her. On her phone. She has an app. But I like the idea of getting your spouse involved, getting the. Getting the men involved. Because, you know, sometimes we're looking at from the outside and we don't identify with the fact that you can be three different women in the same month.

Yeah. Spirited Sync. This one's really, really fun.

Spirited Sync.

Spirited Sync. So this is getting back to your spirit. This is getting back to what did you like to do as a child? The key to all these is when we have this information. And that could Be a beautiful thing.

It could be an amazing thing.

And I think in our society we've especially again, these aren't like appointments that we have to take. This is like a reframe and things that we can tap into almost at any women. We've started to judge that. So when our men know that how we feel and what we need leading up to our cycle. And that's why I think just communication. Like I'm very straight up with Jay. I will tell him this is how I feel and this is what I time throughout our day. So what did you like to do as a kid? I like to get on my bunny from you.

That's great.

And I think men appreciate that kind of communication.

We do. I mean, we also would like to know when the libido spikes.

Like if we ovulation. That would be during ovulation.

We could make sure that we highlight that.

It's usually if you look at your wife. So just real quick cycle syncing around ovulation. That's when we feel like peacock. Like when I'm in a social gathering, I could be awake. I like to spend time outside.

Yeah.

My girlfriend loved to tap dance. So how can we like ovulating? Not ovulating. Ovulating.

Really?

That's. Ovulating is going to be walking in, talking all think about again. Why would we be designed that way? Because that's when we're fertile. We're meant to reproduce. Right. From a biological standpoint. So when you're.

I love that. Getting back in to tune with that cycle and being, you know, as a harmonious couple, sort of in sync with that.

Yeah. Like that's when we incorporate that into our daily lives. She went on Amazon, got her. Got herself a pair of top shoes. And in between her zoom meetings, she taps for two minutes.

That's so awesome. My wife's been really intentional about getting back into dance lately.

Like, can you make me coffee and bring it to me in bed? Like, can I just have a bit more time in the morning to nurture? Can you get the kids breakfast like that. That I think is such a big, beautiful way to be with our partners.

Sure.

Yeah. And it takes tuning in and listening and knowing how you feel and what you need.

And then she actually texted me this. This this morning about how. How dancing. There was a study that came out on the. On the impact of exercise being actually better than SSRIs.

If I can owning it enough to outwardly express it.

And then number four.

Number four was spirit sync. And then number five is simply slay sync. So we do all the sync so we can slay our life sl. And this basically gets us to a place of living the life of our dreams rather than living the life that we feel like we're supposed to. There's so many shoulds, especially as women that we put on ourselves.

Find the study. I'll actually put in the show notes and that the serotonin, selective serotonin.

Yeah, I should, I should I feel bad. I like these words that we say all the time.

Yeah. So it's so amazing. I, you know, I, I. We spend so much time down the deep rabbit hole of science and less down the deep rabbit hol. And so I like that this is an experiential way to maybe take some of the toxic load off of us because reuptake inhibitors did not have as much of a positive outcome as exercise. And specifically that dance mom had the greatest effect on these dopamine levels. Toxins aren't just environmental pollutants. I mean toxins are our feelings, their emotional states, their burdens, their stresses. And you know, we can filter our environment for, we can filter our water, we can eat organic food. But if we're not actually taking care of the emotional, spiritual and the side of us that actually has and actually shifting a state of depression more so than, you know, more so than these, these SSRIs. And, and so she literally just texted me that this, that you know, in touch with ourselves and feeling like it's okay to do that. We're leaving like a third of the bucket unaddressed.

100.

And, and, and so I love this journey. I want to circle back around to your journey with, with Lyme and after you discovered it, you know, I know you glossed over the fact that you have these modalities in your clinic. So she's definitely going back and start dancing. She's gonna dance. She's not depressed. But I mean she's just going to dance her way into a state of really healthy.

Well it gets you out of your.

Head and in you started hyperbarics. But what kind of specifically did you do? Because I, I, you know, now that I know I live in the mold capital of the world. Welcome, welcome. First of all, you'll find air filters in every single room in the house.

Like I'm a psycho into your heart and into your body.

Right.

So I did something similar. I would call these Mac, I'm ozoning a place.

You know. But you know, I think that there is a lot more chronic low grade viral mold and mycotoxin and heavy metal toxicity that is going completely undiagnosed and missed. And, you know, micro self cares.

Right. Macro self care would be going to the dance class.

Right.

Micro self care, if you have like a quick two minutes, it's putting on.

And it doesn't show up in standard labs.

Yeah.

And it does music at your house.

And like shimming your hips in between phone calls.

Right.

So.

And show up on the gene test that I do. And, you know, very often, you know, our clinical team will take someone who looks good on paper. Their labs is perfectly supplementing for their genetic deficiencies, but anecdotally, they just do not feel good. They're heavy levels of brain fog. Like you're saying.

I was a gymnast growing up and I loved gymnastics. And when I was 11 years old, I made team and I was really shy. And so I quit. I quit before competition.

Fatigue, loss of libido. They seem to can't get out of the rut. And so it could very well be, you know, what you were facing. So what kind of steps did you take once you identified this enemy?

Yeah, I mean, I was really fortunate. Right. So I'm a chiropractor, and I was literally working in a building that has all the tools that I required. So I'm. When I started asking myself, what did I like to do as a kid, that was like the deep, deep one that I was like, God, I love gymnastics. But I'm very, very fortunate. And I know a lot of people don't have access to that as easy as I do.

You can find access to it.

They can find access. That's true. Especially now. I mean, when we were first getting into this 15 years ago, and you were well before us.

Right.

But people didn't know about this stuff, and you couldn't find it now. It's everywhere. But I also, fortunately, lived with a functional medicine practitioner. Could never get back. I had a screw it moment. And so what did I do? I delved pretty deep last year. I was like, why can't I get back? So I called our kids gymnasium.

Your wife's a daredevil over here, like.

Skateboarding gymnast into fasting. I was definitely taking a lot of supplements to help clean out some of the bugs and help support my immune system.

When you say delve deep into fasting, what kind of fasting were you doing?

So I was doing once a week. For me, this is what worked for me. I was doing once a week, a 24 hour. And I would do that even leading up to Getting sick. I was doing that about once a week, like my busiest week in the clinic because I sticks. It's all about getting in flow.

Yeah.

Actually feel best when I fast. Other days I was doing intermittent. And then I changed my fasts around my cycle. So leading up to our cycle, there's progesterone balance that needs to occur. So that's when I would have more carbs and cut my fast.

Okay.

So I would do fasting. Hyperbaric oxygen was one of the biggest. So I called our kids gymnastics studio and I asked if they would coach me and they said come parts my. My healing tomorrow. So at the age of 41, I started taking classes.

And so you would. How frequently would you do hyperbaric? And for those people that are familiar with hyperbaric, what kind of atmospheric pressure would you use? And oxygen would you use?

Yep. So. And a few months after classes, our kids had a gymnastics competition. And the coach asked me if he wanted me if I would compete.

No way.

I compete. We have hard chamber in our clinic, and we have soft chamber in our clinic and in our home. So I was doing, for the most part, I was doing soft chamber and mild pressure in our home.

You say mild pressure? One point.

One point three.

Okay. So just really, really mild pressure, you know, and for those of you guys that think that hyperbaric for a condition like this are way out of the realm of possibility, you know, our clinical team has in the past been able to. There are. There are companies that put leasing agreements in place and they will actually, if a practitioner writes you a script, they will deliver a hyperbaric chamber, and the, you know, the doctor will give you the script on how to utilize it, and then you lease the chamber. So, you know, when you're looking online, you're like, holy cow, these things are 18,000 to, you know, $90,000 if you get really sexy. You might not be out of pocket for all of that for a few hundred bucks a month. I mean, I have a friend out in Pete and Kim out in Colorado, and they leased it. He. Did your kids give you the stink guy?

In my children's gymnastics competition. You know what? They were a little embarrassed, but. What? I. I watched these girls watch me. I watch these girls watch me at the age of 41, compete in a gymnastics competition. And all I could think of is, I pray that when they're older, they see this and they remember, you know, and like, I. Well, that's nice too, because then it's in your home. Right? So for me, you know, you could, you can go to clinic now. So many cool out in the community and they're like, you're that girl. You're that girl that competed in our competition.

Yeah.

So the spirit sync is all clinics have them. Thank goodness. When I was doing it in our home, I could get the kids to bed and then I could spend a couple hours in the chamber.

Okay, right, so you're doing hyperbaric chamber fasting. Cyclical fasting I would call that. And this is full water fasting for.

24 hours about getting in flow is really what it is. And we do that by participating in play. So there's not a lot of time in our day where we're completely present. Yes. Yeah. Well, I've, I've blood tested. So I'm someone that can have coffee on a fast. So I would have a little bit of cream, heavy cream in a coffee.

Great.

My ketones go up and my glucose stays stable.

You just made a lot of people really happy.

Yeah.

Oh yeah, yeah.

So much easier.

And then. And so you would do a soft hyperbaric chamber session daily, in the moment.

So for women it might be dance, it might be gymnastics, it might be movement. For guys, more of our adrenaline seeking guys. Like for my husband, he almost has to be like facing death to be present. I would aim for about, I think I was doing, Jason was overseeing my care because I couldn't even think straight, but I think I was aiming for about 10 hours a week was my goal.

10 hours a week. Wow.

And then because I was doing a couple hours in chunks at home, so if I went two hours, you know, five days a week, I hit it. And then once a week in the clinic, I was getting about 1.75. So I was right. These hundred foot wave surfers, the reason that they love it is hitting higher.

Pressure and talk a little bit about what the hyperbaric does. So. So, so, you know, it obviously increases the atmospheric pressure, but were you also running high dose oxygen in there?

We didn't have supplemental oxygen in the clinic. We do. So hyperbaric, essentially. I mean, again, boil it down to like, what does our body need and what does it run off? It puts them in the present moment, it puts them in flow.

Right.

You think about during your day all the thoughts that you have. There's very few times where we're focused on one thing. So the gift of tuning into your spirit and spirit sinking is being present.

Wow.

That's where you get dopamiv. So hyperbaric oxygen is simply oxygen under pressure. You know this. But for your audience and according to Boyle's law in science, any gas when we pressurize it we can absorb more readily. Oxygen is one of the number one fuels for the nervous system. So a lot of my symptoms and a lot of what I had going.

On with so being present, finding something that you know, get back to your why and find something that really feeds you.

So let's, let's was nervous system based. I had brain inflammation. I was totally inflamed all over my body.

Wow.

So going in the chamber for someone like me or someone that has those symptoms, it basically is like one of the best anti inflammatories out there.

Yeah. So you're so you're, you're, you were getting in the hyperbaric. What kind of supplementation were you doing and were you trying to walk through the first four again before we get to number five? Walk us through that again.

So self that was sitting with the.

Book as a tool book start five minutes journaling.

Yep. I've got that book club for anyone that wants a resource. I've got a 31 day challenge. I'll sit with you in the morning.

To measure your, your ANA titers, your, your igg, your IGM titers to see if it was having an effect.

To see what was happening. Yes. And really, I mean I took myself out because as a practitioner I feel like we. I don't know, I feel like I can't doctor myself.

Right.

So I needed to become a patient. And I also, I was so overwhelmed with like what was going on in my blood. Fortunately, the next one is shadow sync. So understanding the power of our emotions, sitting with them, phoning a friend maybe was able to hand everything over to Jason and just focus on like mentally getting myself better and taking care of my children.

Okay.

So he was running my labs. He was keeping a close eye on everything. I was taking a lot of stuff to like, I think I was taking some parasite stuff.

Yeah.

Because Lyme hides in all the places. I was definitely doing a lot of immune builders. I was taking methylated vitamins. I know you're big on that, that drawing, journaling, getting some of that energy out.

The third when you say methylated vitamins, just to be specific to B complex methylcobalamin, probably methylfolate. Yeah. Trimethylglycine. Some of these things that actually just help really support healthy methylation. Because I think, you know, a lot of people don't realize that we methylate light metals very easily, but we also methylate heavy metals. Meaning we, we actually can rid the body of heavy metals very slowly, but when that methylation cycle is broken, we rid it extremely slow, which is why two people that are exposed to the same level of, let's say, mercury toxicity, one can become toxic mercury and one doesn't have any mercury toxin at all.

You want to cycle sync living in. In accordance with our cycle as women.

And the. Just to summarize that this is like going into your menstrual cycle. The time where you're not pushing yourself too intensely physically. You're not doing the extreme ice baths and saunas and some of the other things you're working on. Your methylation, you're working on. You're using hyperbarics. You're doing that 10 hours a week. So you're also doing some targeted supplementation. You're also using fasting. I love that, that you're using cyclical fasting. And, and anything else that you were doing where you're walking, were you using IV therapy? Because you're sort of focusing on your nurture, nurturing yourself.

And there's. I was getting some IV in our clinic. I was doing sauna, right. To like really sweat some of that stuff out. Methylene blue is a big one.

Huge. In combination with red light, it really puts it on steroids.

Yeah.

You know, there's. We do a lot of 10 milligram methylene blue twice a day with red light therapy. And I'll tell you, for me, I mean, it's like being plugged into an electrical socket.

Pieces of that for every part of the cycle. I have that on my platform. I just figured we'll touch on it here. Yeah. And if you do that, if you do the blue, then the red light and then the hyperbarics, that's like.

And I like the idea of. Like I said, my wife keeps hers on her phone. She has an app. But I like the idea. Okay, now I need a hyperbaric. The only thing I don't have in my house.

We can pick you up with that.

Okay.

Okay, good. Most of us have a very difficult time meeting our protein needs. And certain protein sources like whey protein and others can be as little as 20% absorbable.

Idea of getting your spouse involved, getting the, Getting the men involved because, you know, sometimes we're looking at from the outside and, and we don't. We don't identify with the, the fact.

That this is 99% absorbable and it has all of the essential amino acids that the body needs, needs to build lean muscle, to recover, to improve Our exercise performance and most importantly to repair after we have intense exercise. So this is called perfect amino by Body health. It's like I said 99 absorbable. It only has 2 calories. Eventually the caloric intake has virtually.

You can be three different women in the same month. Yeah, right.

No caloric intake. It will not break a fast. It tastes amazing. You mix it in water. I take this literally every single morning. If you're working out in a fasted state, you have to take a full spectrum amino acid prior to your workout to preserve your lean muscle and make sure that you're recovering properly. And again, it will not break your fast. So the caloric impact is virtually zero. You get all of the full.

And that could be a beautiful thing.

It could be an amazing thing.

Beautiful thing. And I think in our society we've especially as women we've started to, to to judge that.

Yeah.

So when our men know that how we feel and what we need leading.

Up to full spectrum amino acids. It tastes wonderful. I use it every single day. You can go to body health.com forward/ultimate. That's bodyhealth.com forward slash ultimate recycle.

And that's why I think just communication like I'm very straight up with Jay. I will tell him this is how I feel and this is what I.

And look for the perfect aminos. They actually come in capsules if you're on the go or it becomes in several flavors that they make in a powder which I love. It's flavored with natural need from you.

That's great.

And I think men appreciate that kind of communication.

We do. I mean we also would like to know when the libido spikes means of flavoring.

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But yeah that I mean that was a big part of it. And then.

And how, how long was this journey?

Well thankfully it was really real quick. Cycle syncing around ovulation. That's when we feel like, peacock quick for us. Because I knew what. I knew what was going on and we had the tools to treat it. So within a few weeks, I started feeling normal.

Wow.

You know, but then what happened is we travel a lot for work. A lot of times we're doing east coast, west coast flights. So I didn't have, like the bandwidth to push the limits. So we would travel and I would get sick. I'd have a lime flare. We'd have like a stressful week in the clinic and I would get sick. Like when I am in a social gathering, I could be like, ovulating. Not ovulating. Ovulating. Really now. I mean, a couple years later, like, you would never know. I have Lyme. I think there's some chronic Lyme in my blood. But I can push the limit. I mean, we travel. I'll take a red eye plane. Not healthy, not ideal. And land back on east coast time and have a full day of work and land in with the kids. And I'm good. Right. So I've gotten to a place where ovulating is going to be walking in, talking all think about again, why would we be designed that way? Because that's when we're fertile, we're meant to reproduce. Right. From a biological standpoint. So when you're.

I love that getting back in.

I can handle. I can handle life. And I think that's really, you know, whether we're talking about biohacking, bio optimization. It's really about changing our external and internal environment. And internal, I know we both feel is so key because if we're not working on that, none of this stuff on the outside matters.

I agree with you. You know, it's. I think it's a hard concept for a lot of people to realize that tune with that cycle and being, you know, as a harmonious couple, sort of in sync with that.

That's when, like, can you make me coffee and bring it to me in bed? Like, can I just have a bit more time?

You don't have every DNA strand in about 40% of our DNA is viral. Only 60% of our DNA is human DNA. It's crazy. So you think about every time that ladder unzips and rezips, we're silencing all of those viruses, you know, in a lot of what we've seen, you know.

I'm in the morning to nurture. Can you get the kids breakfast? Like that. That I think is such a beautiful way to be with Our partners, sure. Amazing.

Our clinics were. We were wellness clinics when Covid hit and we were literally faced with shutting the doors because nobody was coming in for blood work. We would send people to LabCorp for blood work, and people associated LabCorp with COVID and they thought, hey, these lots.

Tuning in and listening and knowing how you feel and what you need.

And then these were, people are going to get Covid tested is not where I'm gonna go and get my wellness blood check. So we went weeks without adding a new patient. We ended up pivoting the clinics to COVID testing clinics, and as such, our clinical team got very good, owning it.

Enough to outwardly express it.

And then number four.

Number four was spirit sync, and then number five is simp.

Because we were testing so many thousands of people for Covid, we got really good early on at treating people for Covid and have since gotten really good at long Covid. And, and one of the things that we see is that these existing viruses that are part of our DNA, we slay, sink.

So we do all the sinks so we can slay our life.

Slay, sink.

I love that this basically gets us to a place of living the life of our dreams rather than living the life that we feel like we're supposed to.

Mono comes back as Epstein Barr. You didn't really catch Epstein Barr. You've always had it. You know, chickenpox comes back as shingles. You didn't really catch shingles. You've kind of always had it. So what causes these viral pathogens to really flare is just what you're talking about the bucket getting over, overflowing.

And there's so many shoulds, especially as women, that we put on ourselves, being.

Able to address physical, emotional, spiritual, and dietary lifestyle. You know, exercise.

I should, I should, I feel bad. I like these words that we say all the time.

I sleep deep. You know, it's. As you get deficient in one area, you better be focusing in these other areas. And, and biohacking is only a portion of that, which I'd like. I love the fact that you're, you're filling these in because you could go now. So it's so amazing. I, you know, I, I, we spend so much time down the deep rabbit hole of science years, decades. And the mono you had in 8th grade is pops back in. Yeah. And it's, it's in remissions and less down the deep rabbit hole of experience. And so, for lack of better words, you know, you're just IgG positive. You have no IgM antibodies to it. And then all of a sudden, you go through a really stressful period and bang.

And it's like the double stack. Because it's probably going to come in a time in your life when you're stressed. Spread thin burnout, because that's what causes it. And now you're.

When you're down.

Yeah, yeah. So it's about doing the stuff that we can on a daily basis. You know, I. Again, I love that you talk so much about getting back to basics.

I like that this is an experiential way to maybe take some of the toxic load off of us. Because, you know, toxins aren't just environmental pollutants. I mean, toxins are our feelings and.

Doing the inside work. Because there's. I feel like there's a few main reasons for that, but one is, you know, who cares if you're getting great sleep?

Yeah.

Who cares if you're getting in the cold plunge and making dopamine if you hate your life?

Yeah.

Like, who cares if you're miserable?

You know, it's so funny, is their emotional states, their burdens, their stresses. And, you know, we can filter. Malia read me that about in your bio this morning down by the water. And I go, I go, I love that she says, who cares if you're biohacking if you hate your life? I go, a really good point. We were both laughing by the. But I love that water this morning.

I love that, that, you know, these tools are hitting the masses.

Yeah.

You're a big part of that. Your conversations that you have in here are doing both.

Yeah.

And I love that because I can't even tell you, the friends that have called from Ohio, where I'm from, like, my friends from high school that are watching what you're doing, and they're starting to ask questions. And you know, your interview with Dana White, like how he's getting dopamine now from an ice plunge instead of whatever.

The other two for our environment for. We can filter our water, we can eat organic food. But if we're not actually taking care of the emotional, spiritual and in the side of us that actually has. That's, you know, in touch with ourselves and feeling like it's okay to do that, we're leaving tools that people used to reach for.

That is a huge step, no question. And then at the same time, I want to challenge people to take it that step further because, like, a third.

Of the bucket unaddressed, 100%. And, and, and so I love this journey. I want to circle back around to your journey with. With lime.

You know, I know we play in some of the same circles and there's these biohacking conferences popping up. You could go to one every weekend.

And after you discovered it, you know, I know you glossed over the fact that you have these modalities at your clinic and you started hyperbarics, but what kind of specifically the country. Yeah, I just went to an amazing one. Yeah.

And you walk around these and it's gadgets upon gadgets. Like, if I see another picture on social media of someone with like light helmets covering their face and something on their throat and like trackers up and down their arm, it's like we're just missing this huge piece. Like we're just replacing. I'm glad we are because it's getting people from a place.

Did you do. Because I, you know, now that I know I live in the mold capital.

Of drugs and medicine, getting to a place of like, okay, let's. Let's use ice and let's use heat and let's use methylene blue. And then all the stuff that you're doing in your life and talking about on here is also that next step.

Welcome, welcome. First of all, you'll find air filters in every single room in the house. Like, I'm a psycho. I'm ozoning the place. You know, but you know, I think that there is is a lot more.

Chronic load of like, okay breath work and meditation and all the things. I've got my dad and brother watching you.

I'm like, you do. Oh.

Because it's not just me saying it anymore.

Hey, dad.

Hey, brother. Yeah, so. So let's just sort of wrap this all up for the audience. What would you say are you grade viral mold and mycotoxin and heavy metal toxicity that is going completely your. Let's, let's. Let's start with a morning routine. Healthy morning routine. Mother of three like yourself probably inherently has a little caregiver syndrome. Right. Kids are first husbands, first careers first 100. Let's wrap up like a good starting morning routine for her. And then I want to wind into what are some of your favorite bio the undiagnosed and missed and you know. And it doesn't show up in standard labs.

Yeah.

And it does hacks that you would use outside of that. So let's start with the morning routine.

Yes, the morning routine, especially for a natural caregiver woman, whether you're a mom or not, starts with a reframe. And I think one of the biggest take homes I want people to get out of this message is it's not selfish and we're no longer required to be selfless.

This doesn't show up on the gene test that I do. And you know very often you know our clinical team will take someone who looks good on paper. Their, their, their labs is perfectly is.

About being self with right with yourself. So as a mom of three children I could easily assume that in the morning if I am choosing to not help my children before myself that I'm ignoring them or that they feel that I'm ignoring them. So I first needed to start with a really powerful reframe. I'm not ignoring my children. I'm not ignoring the emails. I'm not IGN. Ignoring the phone calls. I'm not ignoring my obligations. I'm taking minute taking five minutes to be with myself because then I have a full cup to fill.

Whoever supplementing for their genetic deficiencies and and but anecdotally they just do not feel good. They're cooked heavy levels of brain fog. Like you're saying what else I'm taking.

Care of and especially for women with.

Children we are rolling fatigue, loss of libido. They seem to can't get out of the rut. And so it could very well be.

Role modeling for them.

Yes.

Right.

So my learn more through observation than.

They are 100 I can't hear what you're saying because I'm watching what you're doing or you know, your actions speak so loud I can't hear what you're saying. So my mornings I do not go on digital. I do not go on digital and I'm very protective of light sources. So I call it a magical morning.

Yeah. You know what you were facing. So what, what kind of steps did you take once you identified this enemy.

And create what feels like a wake up lounge. So it's this beautiful. Basically the entire intention of my morning is to ease into our day.

Now do you have a specific room that you do this in or do.

You we all kind of gather like where our couches are in the family room. I've got a red light that I love, that I love, love, love that I turn on and it's like a little bonfire light. Sometimes we'll put like little music on like ocean waves or sound healing. Yeah. I mean I was really fortunate. Right. So I'm a chiropractor and I was literally working in a building that has all the tools that I required. So I'm very, very fortunate. And I know a lot of people don't have access to that as easy as I do.

They can find access to it.

They can find accessing or, you know, really light.

And how long does that timeframe last?

I mean, just like you said before, you start with five minutes, but it rolls into half an hour. So if I'm up at 5am Like, I get up and I sit in front of my red light, I read my book. I've got like this beautiful night amber light that clicks on my book. That is my favorite time of the day because that's the only guaranteed time that we can be in that flow cyst. That's true. Especially now. I mean, when we were first getting into this 15 years ago, and you were well before us. Right, right. Not gonna miss 5, 10, 20 minutes of sleep. Right. So I encourage women, get out of your bedroom. Be very, very aware of your light. We're in this beautiful dreamlike state. State. And if you can extend the pleasure of that dreamlike state in the morning, it's going to set your nervous system for the entire day. So what do I mean by that? White light will pull us out of that beautiful state?

Oh, yeah. White light is the. We are in the junk food of lighting in this room, just FYI.

But we can handle it.

Shame on you. My production manager just feeding me junk fruit.

People didn't know about this stuff and you couldn't find it. Now it's everywhere. But I also fortunately lived with a functional medicine practitioner. So what did I do? I delved pretty deep into fasting. I was definitely taking a lot of supplements to help clean out some of the bugs and help support me straight to the dome. So get red light. There's some amazing biohack lights, you know, that I love. Yeah, I have companies, they're great. You can also for $10 on Amazon. Like, I have lamps in our home. My husband will laugh at me at like 6 o' clock at night. All the lamps, I'm like melatonin time. And they all go to the red light bulbs. Like, our house looks like a brothel when people walk the immune system.

When you say delve deep into fasting, what kind of fasting were you doing?

So I was doing, whoa. So at night and in the morning it's just red light.

No idea what you're talking about.

No idea. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure you don't.

Have the same thing red light district is. So maybe, maybe the red light district is onto something.

You know, maybe, maybe that's why they're so. They got great skin once A week for me, this is what worked for me. I was doing once a week, a 24 hour. And I would do that even leading up to getting sick, I was doing that about once a week. Like my busiest week in the clinic.

Because I, you know, so I love this, you know, this morning routine. And, and you're also, you're even talking.

About some of your actually feel best when I fast. Other days I was doing intermittent, and then I changed my fast.

Your greatest biohacks. But I also really like that the majority of what you're talking about is free. Right? Tapping into yourself, journaling, giving, you know, getting yourself a book, not reading fiction and not not comparing yourself to what's going on on Instagram, but maybe taking a few minutes to yourself to actually read and inspire yourself and feed your soul.

I mean, surround my cycle. So leading up to her cycle, there's progesterone balance that needs to occur.

I. I think one of the things that I notice happens, and I try to reignite this childlike curiosity and, and my clients is that we lose our intellectual curiosity as we get older. You know, when we're kids, we're so curious about the world and we're so curious about our friends and education on the opposite sex, maybe the same sex. You were just.

Or. So that's when I would have more carbs and cut my fast. Okay, so I would do fasting. Hyperbaric oxygen was one of the biggest parts of my. My healing.

We have all of these curiosities and we. And we sort of grow and grow and grow. So you would. How frequently would you do hyperbaric? And for those people that are familiar with hyperbaric kind of atmosphere can grow, and we have this very visceral happiness. And I found that again, as an adult, because I have pressure would you use. And oxygen would you use?

Yep. So I. We have hard chamber in our clinic and we have soft chamber in our clinic and in our home. So I was doing, for the most part, I was doing soft chamber mild pressure in our home.

You say mild pressure. 1 point.

1.3.

Okay, so just really, really mild pressure, you know, and. And for those of you guys that think that hyperbarics for a condition like this are way out of the realm of possibility, you know, our childlike fascination with the human body. And, and I'm fascinated by the science of bio optimization of, you know, how does disease work? How do we treat disease? How does, you know, how do we just, you know, continue to evolve and become, you know, more of an ultimate human and so for me, it's like, like this doesn't feel like work right now.

No, no, no.

Like this, you know, I mean, this is my job, but it doesn't feel like work at all. You know, this morning we were shooting outside and I'm like thinking to myself, I was like, just, thank you, God, this is just amazing that this is my journey. You know, we're outside just shooting videos of walking in the, in the park. And I think when people can tap back into that intellectual curiosity, like what excites them? What do they want to know more about? It's a massive outlet for stress.

Oh, 100%.

And so I love this morning routine. So for, for, for the audience that's really tuned, I think my, my, my, my females are going to love this. How do they find you? Where do they find out more about you? How can they get your book clinical team has in the past been able to. There, there are, there are companies that put leasing agreements in place.

Yeah. So they can find me on socials beinspired mama.com.

Be inspired mama. And she's got the mama. And they will actually, if a practitioner writes you a script, they will deliver a hyperbaric chamber. The, you know, the doctor will give you the script on how to utilize it. And then right here are these your, your signature make one, Right? Yeah. I think you just have to put Be inspired above it. And you got your own. I get 15 of those sales.

Totally. I'll give you a code. Use code, gary. You'll make 10 cents on every company.

Adds up.

Then you can buy some good lights.

Yeah, like what kind of biohackers bays in this fluorescent lighting?

And then I' share the link. I know, we'll share the links to my incredible community, the book club. I call it the best friends book nook because you're literally creating a best friend within yourself.

That's great.

And in the women going along this path with you. So we'll link to that book club. I've got the 31 day free journey that people can go through the challenge to create a magical morning with me.

And you lease the chamber. So you know when you're looking online, you're like, holy cow, these things are 18,000.

That's free. We'll link that below too. And then I have the Be Inspired Mama podcast.

Beautiful. You know, $90,000 if you get really sexy free fits everybody's budget. And I, I, I, I wind down every podcast the same way. It's the same question. If you've been watching my Podcast, you've been able to cheat, so you might have prepared for this, but what does it mean to you to be the ultimate human? You might not be out of pocket for all of that for a few hundred bucks a month. I mean, I have a friend out in Pete and Kim out in Colorado, and they leased it.

And I love that question. An ultimate human. Yeah, I love that question. You know, I love to say when I'm speaking to audiences that anyone can go and do yoga on the beach. Right. Anyone can have an incredible breathwork practice on the top of a mountain. But can we do enough inward work? Well, that's nice, too, because then it's in your home, Right? So for me, you know, you could. You can go to clinic now. So Maniklai, taking just five minutes a day to connect with ourselves so that we can handle the chaos, so that we can do yoga and get to a meditative. Meditative state in the middle of whatever our day brings us. And I feel like, to me, that is becoming the ultimate human. And it all starts with that reframe of going inward. And taking this time for ourself isn't selfish. We know clinics have them. Thank goodness. When I was doing it in our home, I could get the kids to bed, and then I could spend a couple hours in the chamber.

Okay, right. So you're doing hyperbaric chamber fasting.

No longer need to be selfless as women. This is all about being vocal.

Fasting, I would call that. And this is full water fasting for 24 hours. Dr. Melissa, this was amazing. I'm really excited that we took the time today to.

To.

To speak to your audience. I. I'm definitely going to have you back on the podcast at some point in the future. And thank you for coming today. And, guys, as always, that's just science.

Yes.

Right.

Yeah. Well, I've. I've blood tested, so I'm someone that can have coffee on a fast. So I would have a little bit of cream, heavy cream, and a coffee.

Great.

My ketones go up and my glucose stays stable.

You just made a lot of people really happy.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So much easier.

And then. And so you would do a soft hyperbaric chamber session daily.

I would aim for about. I think I was doing. Jason was overseeing my care because I couldn't even think straight, but I think I was aiming for about 10 hours a week was my goal.

10 hours a week.

Wow. And then because I was doing a couple hours in chunks at home, so if I went two hours, you know, five Days a week I hit it. And then once a week in the clinic, I was getting about 1.75. So I was hitting the higher pressure.

And talk a little bit about what the hyperbaric dose. So, you know, it obviously increases the atmospheric pressure, but were you also running high dose oxygen in there?

We didn't have supplemental oxygen in the clinic. We do. So hyperbaric, essentially. I mean, again, boil it down to like, what does our body need and what does it run off of? So hyperbaric oxygen is simply oxygen under pressure. You know this. But for your audience and according to Boyle's law, in science, any pressure, any gas, when you pressurize it, we can absorb more readily. Oxygen is one of the number one fuels for the nervous system. So a lot of my symptoms and a lot of what I had going on was nervous system based. I had brain inflammation. I was totally inflamed all over my body.

Wow.

So going in the chamber for someone like me or someone that has those symptoms, it basically is like one of the best anti inflammatories out there.

Yeah. So you're, so you're, you're, you were getting in the hyperbaric. What kind of supplementation were you doing? And were you trying to measure your, your, your ANA titers, your, your igg, your IGM titers to see if it was having an effect?

To see what was having. Yes. And really, I mean, I took myself out because as a practitioner, I feel like we, I don't know, I feel like I can't doctor myself.

Right.

So I needed to become a patient. And I also, I was so overwhelmed with like, what was going on in my blood. Fortunately, I was able to hand everything over to Jason and just focus on like, mentally getting myself better and taking care of my children.

Okay.

So he was running my labs, he was keeping a close eye on everything. I was taking a lot of stuff to like, I think I was taking some parasite stuff.

Yeah.

Because lime hides in all the places. I was definitely doing a lot of immune builders. I was taking methylated vitamins. I know you're big on that.

That's so important when you say methylated vitamins. Just to be specific, to be complex methylcobalamin, probably methylfolate, trimethylglycine, some of these things that actually just help really support healthy methylation. Because I think a lot of people don't realize that we methylate light metals very easily, but we also methylate heavy metals, meaning we actually can rid the body of heavy metals very slowly. But when that methylation Cycle is broken. We rid it extremely slow, which is why two people that are exposed to the same level of, let's say, mercury toxicity, one can become toxic mercury and one doesn't have any mercury toxin at all. So you're working on your methylation, you're working on, you're using hyperbarics. You're doing that 10 hours a week. So you're also doing some targeted supplementation. You're also using fasting. I love that that you're using cyclical fasting. And, and anything else that you were doing, were you walking, were you using IV therapy?

I was getting some IV in our clinic. I was doing sauna to really sweat some of that stuff out. Methylene blue is a big one. Huge on methylene blue as well.

In combination with red light, it really puts it on steroids. We do a lot of 10 milligram methylene blue twice a day with red light therapy. And I'll tell you, for me, it's like being plugged into an electrical socket.

It yeah. And if you do that, if you do the blue, then the red light and then the hyperbarics, that's like.

Okay, now I need a hyperbarics. The only thing I don't have in my house. Okay. Okay, good.

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But yeah, that, I mean, that was a big part of it.

And then, and how, how long was this journey?

Well, thankfully it was really quick for us because I knew what, I knew what was going on and we had the tools to treat it. So within a few weeks, I started feeling normal.

Wow.

You know, but then what happened is we travel a lot for work. A lot of times we're doing east coast, west coast flights. So I didn't have like the bandwidth to push the limits. So we would travel and I would get sick. I'd have a lime flare. We'd have like a stressful week in the clinic and I would get stuff sick right now. I mean, a couple years later, like, you would never know. I have Lyme. I think there's some chronic Lyme in my blood. But I can push the limit. I mean, we travel, I'll take a red eye plane, not healthy, not ideal, and land back on east coast time and have a full day of work and land in with the kids. And I'm good. Right. So I've gotten to a place where I can handle, I can handle life. And I think that's really, you know, whether we're talking about biohacking, bio optimization. It's really about changing our external and internal environment. And internal, I know we both feel is so key because if we're not working on that, none of this stuff on the outside matters.

I agree with you. You know, it's, I, I think it's a hard concept for a lot of people to realize that, you know, of every DNA strand in your body, about 40% of our DNA is viral. Six, only 60% of our DNA is human DNA. It's crazy. So you think about every time that ladder unzips and reasons sibs, we're silencing all of those viruses, you know, and a lot of what we've seen, you know, our clinics were, we were, we were wellness clinics when, when Covet hit. And we were literally faced with shutting the doors because nobody was coming in for blood work. We would send people to LabCorp for blood work and, and people associated LabCorp with COVID and they, they thought, hey, these, these lobbies where people are going to get that Covid tested is not where I'm gonna go and get my wellness blood check. So we went weeks without adding a new patient. We ended up pivoting the clinics to COVID testing clinics. And as such, our clinical team got very good at. Because we were testing so many thousands of people for Covid. We got really good early on at treating people for Covid and have since gotten really good at long Covid. And one of the things that we see is that, that these existing viruses that are part of our DNA mono comes back as Epstein Barr. You didn't really catch Epstein Barr. You've always had it. Chickenpox comes back as shingles. You didn't really catch shingles. You've always had it. So what causes these viral pathogens to really flare is just what you're talking about. The bucket getting overflowing and being able to address physical, emotional, spiritual, and dietary lifestyle. You know, exercise, sleep, you know, it's. As you get deficient in one area, you better be focusing in these other areas. And. And biohacking is only a portion of that, which I'd like. I love the fact that you're. You're filling these in because you could go years, decades. And the mono you had in 8th grade is pops back in. Yeah. And it's. It's in remission, for lack of better words. You know, you're just IgG positive. You have no IgM antibodies to it. And then all of a sudden you go through a really stressful period and bang.

And it's like the double stack. Because it's probably going to come in a time in your life when you're stressed, spread thin, burn out, because that's what causes it. And now you're.

Kicks you when you're down.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's about doing the stuff that we can on a daily basis. You know, I. Again, I love that you talk so much about getting back to basics and doing the inside work, because there's. I feel like there's a few main reasons for that, but one is, you know, who cares if you're getting great sleep?

Yeah.

Who cares if you're getting in the cold plunge and making dopamine? If you hate your life?

Yeah.

Like, who cares if you're miserable?

You know what's so funny. Is Malia read me that about in your bio this morning down by the water. And I go. I go, I love that. She says, who cares if you're biohacking if you hate your life? I go, a really good point. We were both laughing by the. But I love that water this morning.

I love that, that, you know, these tools are hitting the masses.

Yeah, I do, too.

You're a big part of that. Your conversations that you have in here are doing both.

Yeah.

And I love that because I can't even tell you the friends that have called from Ohio, where I'm from. Like, my friends from high school that are watching what you're doing, and they're starting to ask questions. And, you know your interview with Dana White, like, how he's getting dopamine now from an ice plunge instead of whatever the other tools that people used to reach for. That is a huge step, no question. And then at the same time, I want to challenge people to take it that step further because, you know, I know we play in some of the same circles, and there's these biohacking conferences popping up. You could go to one every weekend.

Yeah, I just went to an amazing one. Yeah.

And you walk around these, and it's gadgets upon gadgets. Like, if I see another picture on social media of someone with, like, light helmets covering their face and something on their throat and, like, trackers up and down their arm, it's like. Like, we're just missing this huge piece. Like, we're just replacing. I'm glad we are, because it's getting people from a place of drugs and medicine getting to a place of, like, okay, let's use ice and let's use heat, and let's use methylene blue. And then all the stuff that you're doing in your life and talking about on here is also that next step of, like, okay, breath work and meditation and all the things. I've got my dad and brother watching you.

I'm like, you do? Oh, it's gonna help.

Cause it's not just me saying it anymore.

Hey, dad. Hey, brother. Yeah, so.

So let's just sort of wrap this.

All up for the audience. What would you say are your. Let's.

Let's.

Let's start with a morning routine, healthy morning routine. You know, mother of three like yourself probably inherently has a little caregiver syndrome, Right? Kids are first husbands, first careers, first 100%. What are. Let's wrap up, like, a good starting morning routine for her. And then I want to wind into what are some of your favorite biohacks that you would use outside of that. So let's start with the morning routine.

Yes, the morning routine, especially for a natural caregiver woman, whether you're a mom or not, starts with a reframe. And I think one of the biggest take homes I want people to get out of this message is it's not selfish and we're no longer required to be selfless. This is about being self will with.

Right with yourself.

So as a mom of three children, I could easily assume that in the morning if I am choosing to not help my children before myself, that I'm ignoring them or that they feel that I'm ignoring them. So I first needed to start with a really powerful reframe. I'm not ignoring my children. I'm not ignoring the emails, I'm not ignoring the phone calls. I'm not ignoring my obligations. I'm taking my in taking five minutes to be with myself because then I have a full cup to fill. Whoever else I'm taking care of and especially for women with children, we are role modeling for them. Yes, right.

So my morning more through observation than.

They are 100% I can't hear what you're saying because I'm watching what you're doing or you know, your actions speak so loud I can't hear what you're saying. So my mornings I do not go on digital. I do not go on digital and I'm very protective of light sources. So I call it a magical morning. And I create what feels like a wake up lounge. So it's this beautiful. Basically the entire intention of my morning is to ease into our day.

Now do you have a specific room that you do this in or do.

You we all kind of gather like where our couches are in the family room. I've got a red light that I love, that I love, love, love that I turn on and it's like a little bonfire light. Sometimes we'll put like little music on like ocean waves or sound healing or you know, really light.

And how long does that timeframe last?

I mean just like you said before, you start with five minutes but it rolls into half an hour. So if I'm up at 5am Like I get up and I sit in front of my red light, I read my book. I've got like this beautiful night amber light that clicks on my book. That is my favorite time of the day because that's the only guaranteed time that we can be in that flow state.

Right.

Not going to miss, miss 5:10, 20 minutes of sleep. Right? So I encourage women, get out of your bedroom. Be very, very aware of your light. We're in this beautiful dreamlike state. And if you can extend the pleasure of that dreamlike state in the morning, it's gonna set your nervous system for the entire day. So what do I mean by that? White light will pull us out of that beautiful state.

Oh, yeah. White light is the. We are in the junk food of lighting in this room, just FYI.

But we can handle it. It.

Shame on you. My production manager just feeding me junk food straight to the dome.

So get red light. There's some amazing biohack lights, you know that I love companies. They're great. You can also for $10 on Amazon, like, I have lamps in our home. My husband will laugh at me at like 6 o' clock at night. All the lamps, I'm like, melatonin time. And they all go to the red light bulbs.

They go to the red light bulbs.

Like, our house looks like a brothel when people walk by. Whoa. So at night and in the morning, it's just red light.

No idea what you're talking about.

No idea. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure you don't.

Have the same thing red light district is. So maybe, maybe the red light district is on to something, you know, maybe.

Maybe that's why they're so.

They got great skin, you know, So I love this, you know, this morning routine. And, and you're also. You're even talking about some of your greatest biohacks. But I also really like that the majority of what you're talking about is free. Tapping into yourself, journaling, getting yourself.