Exit The Matrix with Me Experiment: Guest: ETM With Me: Narley K Insights from 15 Years as a Manifestation Coach

Welcome to Exit the Matrix Stories of Success with your host Jane Slack-Smith, where we celebrate the incredible journeys of individuals who've transcended their limitations and achieved extraordinary success.

Okay, it's Jane, and I am back with another superstar. I cannot believe how the universe is just serving me up the most beautiful, incredible people at the right time. And I was chatting to someone I'd interviewed previously, Joe Shea, and I said, I need an abundance manifestation expert. And he's like, a gnarly Kerry Kerry. I have to introduce her. So gnarly, hi.

Hello, thank you for having me, Jane. I'm so excited. Thank you.

And you know what I love about this? I've blindsided you. So yeah, let's have a chat. I'm thinking you're turning up for like, you know, a hi, how you going? And I'm like, no, let's jump into it. And so, you know, I'm ready. This is what she looks like when she first jumps out of bed, like, hello, you know, gorgeousness in all ways. So, okay, Nali, you are like a hypnotherapist, EFT, NLP, timeline therapy, which I don't even know what it is, but it sounds great. But you've got all these credentials, but you've been teaching manifestation with the end goal, I'm assuming, of abundance. For like over 15 years. And you know, in the book and the research that I'm doing, it struck me, you know, there's people who want more and feeling unfulfilled, and there's the different mechanisms that we can get into and how people can be connected and find their truth, et cetera. But this whole concept of abundance is something that I haven't explored. And so I thought, You know, talking to someone who's been helping people manifest into abundance, you know, let's just kick off with what does that mean? What's abundance and what's like living fully, your fully expressed life mean to you?

Yes. Amazing question. Well, thank you for having me again. I'm so excited. So abundance, abundance is overflow. It's having more than enough. It's feeling limitlessness. Whereas scarcity and poverty is constriction. It's, it's fear. It's worry. It's that heaviness, right? So there's a— when I think of abundance, I think of freedom. I think of the ability to choose, right? And living your— so what was the question? Living your freedom.

Living like fully expressed, like going like, this is it. I'm good.

Yeah. Living fully expressed to me means taking up space, being worthy of what you desire and owning it, right? Calling it in, feeling like there's no limits. It's for you. It's meant for you. It's natural and normal for you. Um, I think when it comes to abundance, a lot of people don't know the energy of it. They're not used to feeling expanded by money. When they think of money, they think of problems. They think of bills and debt, and it really feels heavy, right? Whereas abundance is that, is that freedom. It's that lightness. It's that overflow of, I have more than enough. I'm good. I'm safe. I'm secure. I'm held. You know, I can trust money.

And so, I mean, having worked with people for so many years in manifesting? Like, we think about manifesting abundance and we think about, you know, attracting what we want, and it's relationships and it's money and it's the career and it's the health and the spiritual enlightenment or whatever. What's the most unusual kind of, uh, things that you've found that people have wanted to attract into their lives? Is that, is, is that kind of like the general, you know, what people—

that's the general, yeah. Health, wealth, relationships. You know, that's typically the overall thing that people want to manifest. Um, sometimes people want fame, but that goes hand in hand with, you know, the wealth creation, the, the feeling of popularity, right? But pretty much those three categories— health, wealth, and relationships— are where people are focusing on manifestations the most.

And do you find when you're working with people— and I want to get into how, how you work with people— but when you're working with people in creating that vision of what they want to create, that when they achieve that, it overflows into those other areas as well?

Yes, absolutely, absolutely. So when it comes to manifestation, we live in an identity-based universe. The universe is based on who is following who we see ourselves as, right? Jews go to synagogues, Catholics go to mass, rich, uh, rich people get rich, poor people get poor. So when someone starts to see themselves differently, identify differently, it's going to shift every area of their life. Right? If they see themselves as someone that's worthy, it's going to spill into their worthiness of abundance, their worthiness of love, their worthiness of health, right? It's all touching. It's all related. It all comes back to their identity. And that's where I do my work.

And so when you're working with people around those identities that they have, is there an awareness that you have that identity, or is that part of the process of trying to find it out? Like, are people kind of like, yeah, I know that I'm attracting the wrong person, maybe I think I'm worthy, or, you know, does that have to be revealed?

It definitely has to be revealed. Sometimes they're conscious of the patterns, right? But they're not conscious of the programming that's creating the patterns and narratives and the subconscious stories that are manifesting, right? Because we— a lot of people think you're just manifesting your, your conscious desires. No, you're also manifesting your subconscious fears and blocks, right? That's also a part of your identity. So there is an uncovering, there is a discovery of, oh, I see myself as someone who, you know, doesn't earn big. I'm not a high achiever. I'm not that kind of person. I'm not someone that gets on stage, right? We have all of these little I'm not like that stories, right? That also impacts us and we need to uncover.

I'm really interested in what you say there because the words that you use or the thoughts that you have are kind of creating that 3D reality, right? Can you talk to that for me? Because I keep thinking, you know, as you, as you write, you invite, you know, as you say, it is so like Yeah, tell me a bit more about that because I'm, I'm sure that's where some of you spend a lot of time.

Absolutely. So your 3D reality is responding to you. Your 3D reality is everything that you see, your senses, your bank account, everything outside of you, right? But your mind, your subconscious mind, is that projector, right? So if you have a script in your subconscious mind that you are not worthy, it's going to project out into your life, right? Your life is a printout of your subconscious programming. Right, so your, your, your 3D isn't really hiding anything, it's just revealing what's going on in here, right? The mind is the cause, always. It's always the cause. It's the starting point. It's the projected, um, reality. So if you want to shift what you're seeing, you have to shift an internal story that's happening within you. New story, new reality. New story, new glory, right? But what happens is, because of the programming, our past, our trauma, people get so used to and kind of addicted to their stories, right? And they feel like, oh, I'm not good enough. And that's just who they see themselves as. And they're walking around with this mental handicap, if you will, until they break free of that and decide that, you know what, actually, these beliefs are optional. These stories, I wasn't born with it, right? We're all born tabula rasa, blank states, blank slates, right? So we don't have these programs and these fears and doubts. We're imprinted with and that's our responsibility to undo them and shift them. And once we do, then our 3D reality will start to reflect our new held beliefs, right? Our BS, our belief systems.

So, so yeah, our BS is a great way of thinking about it. It's interesting. I was reading this article on the weekend and it's something that I'm sitting with at the moment and I'm kind of like, it's, and it's around, I think they're calling it the Ozempic divorce. And it's how these people have had this identity of being quite overweight or quite large, and then they lose a lot of weight and they're like, this is the new me. And their husband or their wife goes, not really comfortable with you being that attractive. And so it's almost like secondary kind of overlay of expectation as well that you have to deal with, right?

Yep, exactly that. And that's why a lot of people don't want to change, because There's a fear of loss. There's a fear of, if I'm more successful, if I'm more attractive, people might not feel comfortable with me. People might reject me or criticize me, or I'll have more responsibility. So the identity shift, the different reality does come with consequences sometimes for, you know, for better or worse. And a lot of it is just made up in our head. And like, people aren't actually gonna leave you, but sometimes they do 'cause they can't meet you at that new frequency or that new identity triggers something within them that makes them walk away, right? So when I'm working with people, I notice, their fear of being bigger and better and more abundant, there's a lot of subconscious fear around what it means to other people and their relationships and how, you know, mommy and daddy won't support me anymore, or my boyfriend will feel intimidated by me. There's all these little—

What if I earn more than my husband?

Oh, yeah. Right.

So that's interesting. I was working with a coach last week. We uncovered this subconscious belief. And He said to me after it, how do you feel? Oh yeah, where are you feeling this? I said, feeling like in my heart. So how do you feel? I said, I feel grief. And he said, it's not an often spoken about thing, but when you do, um, unveil or, you know, become aware of some subconscious belief that you can then see through your life that has held you back, or, you know, being something that has limited you somewhat, there's a grief process, which is kind of what you're speaking about, that consequence, not just externally but internally as well, right?

Yeah, yeah, you have to let go of your old life and who you thought you were, right? And it's either the pain of staying the same, but I like to look at the pleasure of moving forward, the pleasure of expanding. I try to get people to look at the, the good in, in the shifts and the changes, right? Because yes, there will be some things that naturally happen, you know, even for myself. Some people aren't in my reality anymore because for whatever, right? But, um, the, the pleasure of the people and the things that I'm manifesting, even this conversation, right, of me stepping more into my power, right? That's where I try to get people to understand it's worth it to rise and to shift your 3D and your self-concept and your identity.

Okay, so I want to go back because this is something that I think a lot of people struggle with, which is you said in any moment you're changing the thoughts and feelings and you're changing your 3D reality. You're changing what you're projecting on the world. That essentially means, right, that you as the sovereign creator of everything, you've created everything in the past, but in any moment you get to redefine now, the absolute present, and what can happen in the future. Like, the past doesn't matter.

Mm-hmm. Nope. The past only lives in our mind. You can't take a car and drive to your past, right? It's only in here. And you have to disconnect from your past because your past was just your past programming, your past belief system. But in this new moment, you can decide something new for yourself and let it be true for yourself. Because even the word belief has the word lie in it, right? It's all optional. I'm not good enough. I'm good enough. I'm worthy of wealth. I'm not worthy of wealth. Money is hard. Money is easy. It's all optional. It's all on the table, right? When we let go of our past, when we stop copying and pasting the past— a lot of people do that. Because it never happened like this, it won't mean like this. Because my business hasn't been doing this way, it won't— they just copy and paste their past. But you don't have to. Right? It's a choice to, to be defined by the past, where you can really define yourself today and say, I'm the kind of person that gets what she wants. I'm this person now. And the world, the world will respond to who you're being, who you decide you are. And that is one of the first things I get people to do is decide what is the— declare, actually declare the new GPS, just declare the new identity. Who do you want to be? And then the universe will respond to that.

So I was listening to one of your videos and you talked about this universal security camera, which I think links into this. Can you just expand on that? Because I think that's a beautiful metaphor for us to think about, right?

Yes. Okay. So I'll start from the beginning. So I want you to imagine that you have the universal surveillance camera in the corner of your life, and it's just always watching you. It's just always there watching you, watching what Jane does, watching what Gnarly does. And it's taking notes on what to send you, all the places, people, opportunities, money to send you based on who you're being on that universal surveillance camera. Right? So if you were to watch a recording of who you were being for the last 6 months, last 12 months, what would you see? Would you see someone who is ambitious, someone who believes in themselves, someone that procrastinates, or someone that doubts and fears? And based on who you're being on that universal surveillance camera, the universe will send you things to reconfirm who you're being. Right? It's kind of like when you have that 9 to 5, you're working in a cubicle, and you notice that your boss is coming, then you start to, like, be someone else, right? Because the boss is coming.

That's what she means.

Yeah. The universe is always reflecting us. It's always reflecting us, right? So on top of the universal surveillance camera, I have another analogy about the costume you wear, right? Every day you get on stage, you go into the green room of your life, and you put on a certain costume— the woman that knows what she's doing, the woman that suffers in this part of her life, right? And you get on stage, and the world responds to who you're being— that character, that costume, right? And then one day you decide, I'm going to go into the closet and pick a new costume. I'm the 7-figure earner. I'm going to get on stage and be that outspoken entrepreneur But then nothing happens. The 3D doesn't shift. And then you're like, oh, shit, let me go back into the closet and put on my old clothes of the, you know, the struggling entrepreneur, right? The key is to hold the vibration, to hold the costume, to maintain that state until the universe responds, until the universe starts sending you things to confirm that new shift. But people fold so easily. They don't hold the character, right? If you want to talk about it like that, right? So the universal surveillance camera and the costume you're wearing really helps me and my clients just get into gear. Like, who am I being, right? How am I showing up?

At any moment and awareness, who am I now? That makes me think of a situation that I had a few years ago now where, you know, I was running these monthly Q&A calls the last Friday, Thursday of the month. And I ran them for 10 years in the property investing space. And only just recently finished them actually, because I now have an AI tool that answers all the questions better than me and remembers things. But, um, it was interesting because I turned up and I usually would get, you know, 20, 30 people watch it live and 200 or 300 people watch it, you know, after a day or so. And so I'm on there and I turn up and I got my little phone, I've checked that it's gone live in Facebook, and I'm like, whoa, here I am! And there was one person there and I was like, what? And I thought, I'm gonna— I'm just gonna I could chuck this in. I thought, no, you know what? I'm gonna love this one person up so much that everyone else is gonna feel so jealous that they weren't on the call. Like, this is gonna be the best, like, teaching call. I'm just gonna, I'm gonna go for it. I'm gonna give them absolute gems of what's happening in the market and they're gonna be like making millions off this. And I've delivered this entire, like, you know, whole teaching thing and I'm finished and I'm like, that one person, you know, they've really got the, got the goods and I've stopped the Facebook Live. And then I picked up my phone and I realized I was the one person watching. And I was like, what? And then I realized there was 5 Thursdays in the month and I turned up on the 4th Thursday and everyone else turned up the following week. So I had to do it all again. But it just made me realize that you do have a choice. Like, you know, you're sitting there going, I'm going to put my Facebook out and, you know, reels out or Instagram or TikTok or whatever people do in social media. I'm going to be present. And then you're like, not that many people are there, but you don't know right then and there.

Right then and there, you show the universe on the surveillance camera who you're being. You're the dedicated woman, you're the passionate woman. It doesn't matter who's there, who's not there. Right then and there, you sent your identity to the universe, right, to yourself.

And that's what I think a lot of people miss, is like, you know, as you said, you can put the costume on and go, ta-da! And no one's there, and you're like, yeah, maybe I should go back and put on the other costume because people at least saw me and it's familiar. It may not be what I want, but it's comfortable, right?

Comfortable. I know how the world's going to react. I know how the men and the money and the people are going to show up because they just have been this way, right? But after a while, your soul keeps calling you to show up in a different way, to expand, to dare something different, right? And that's, that's where the kind of the grit comes in, where you choose, right? The manifestation is— it is a very empowered, um, choice, right? To say, this is what I'm creating for myself. And it doesn't matter what it looks like right now. It doesn't matter what I see with my 3D reality. I'm deciding this.

Mm. That's where the real, well, yeah, I, I love what you're saying there. And I've watched one of your videos on I'm going to manifest $30,000 in 30 days. And you set yourself this challenge. I, if, if you're happy, I'd love you to just, um, talk about the process because What I picked up on, which really, really kind of made me think this is part of the process that you don't hear about, is certainty.

Yes.

That certainty that you had, like, despite not knowing how and being open to the many ways it could happen. If you could talk to that, because certainty I don't think is discussed, and it's something that I'm like sitting there going, maybe this is something we need to be putting in the book.

Yes, absolutely. So there's confidence, and then there's certainty and conviction, right? Confidence is, I've been doing this a few times, I've public spoke, I have a bit of confidence there, I've seen myself do it, there's some proof, right? Conviction and certainty is saying, I can't see it, I don't know where it's going to come from, but I'm going to choose to believe and have blind mountain-moving faith that it's what I declare will be so, right? As a hypnotherapist, I've been studying the subconscious mind for years, so I really understand the mechanics of it and how to program it.

right?

So basically I used my method called the DREAM Method to create this $30,000 a month, right? Online there's always like, make the $10K month, the $20K months. A lot of the $10K, hit $10K months. I'm like, you know what, scrap the $10K. I'm going for $30K. Let's just go big or go home. And the very first step of the DREAM Method is to declare and decide, right? And D is for declare.

Like speak it and it is so, like we're talking Yeah, so yeah, the step was set the intention, right?

I, I am intending in the next 30 days I will manifest $30,000 into my business. That is the intention. And then how do you want to come in? Easily and effortlessly. I— and then I'm not attached to exactly the how, right? And when you're making a demand and a command, because the subconscious mind likes demands, it likes you to tell it what to do, right? If you're new to the subconscious mind, give yourself a prompt saying when you go to bed, say wake me up at 7 AM or wake up at 5 AM before you go to bed. Subconscious mind, wake me up at 5 AM. And it'll, it'll take that command, wake you up 5, 4:45, a little bit earlier. It really likes directions and instructions, but clear directions, right?

Yeah.

So as you're setting the intention and saying it out loud, knowing that you're also speaking to your subconscious mind, which is that little employee in your mind, right? The conscious mind is the goal setter. The subconscious mind is the goal getter, right? So you say it, you would declare it, or you can even write it down. Writing down your goals is great. This is what I intend. This is how it's going to happen. I'm not attached to the how, and I'm planting the seed and I'm not uprooting it. So many people plant the seed and then they pull it out with doubt and fear, right? You have to feed the seed and let it germinate and water it, right?

How do you, how do you, how do you do that? How do you nurture it?

Perfect, perfect, amazing. So you declare it, and then R is for reprogram and release. When I set the intention to make that $30K, the version of me that was doing it had money fears. I had a fear that I had to make maybe 50 clients to make that. I had a fear that I had to work extremely hard to make that. I had all these fears and things that weren't aligned with that $30K easily and effortlessly. So the reprogramming part is saying, hmm, okay, if I'm gonna hit this, this money goal, what is stopping me? What belief systems will drag me down from not, or prevent me from hitting that? And doing a bit of shadow work and illuminating all the money block stories about business, yourself. I had a big one that my audience doesn't care about me. How the hell am I going to make $30K if my audience doesn't care about me?

Wow. I had to do all— You want to expose?

Yeah, yeah. I had to expose all of them because if I'm going to make $30K, I can't have any weeds in my subconscious preventing that seed from blossoming, right? So declare and then reprogram and release any of the blocks, okay? And E is for energy and embodiment, right? Being the woman that $30K months is natural and normal for. What next? That was the prompt to my intuition. Being the woman that $30K months is natural and normal for, what next? Okay, host a masterclass. Okay, reach out to your people, email these people. You can be guided by your subconscious mind and your intuition to take action and be the person that it's done for in your energy. Have that conviction and that feeling, right? And then A is for aligned action. Okay, D is for declare, R is for reprogram, E is for energy and body, A is for aligned action. As you pray, move your feet. The law of attraction has the word action in it, right? Move your damn feet. The $30K— obviously, the $30K did come in miraculous ways. I went to a washroom once at a festival, met this woman in the line, started talking to her, and she ended up being a client 2 days later because she was looking— she just happened to be looking for hypnotherapy sessions.

Wow.

Right? The subconscious mind will guide you once it accepts the idea. That's the beauty of the subconscious mind, right? So aligned action. Take aligned action. Be the person it's done for. Show up like it's inevitable and it will be inevitable, right? And then M is for manifest. Hold the vibration until you see it in your reality. I even got pneumonia during those 30 days, but I held the intention. I know it's kind of crazy, but I was like, no matter what, this goal is happening. I don't care. It was— I don't need to see it. I don't need to understand it. One client that I hadn't talked to in a year reached out randomly for a return package. The universe will just send you things, but you have to hold the vibration and keep watering the seed, right? I also do like anchor affirmations. So one of my anchor affirmations was, all the spots are filled. All the spots are filled. Whenever my egoic mind would doubt me, I'm like, nope, all the spots are filled. Every single client showed up. I only need 7 clients, 8 clients. All the spots are filled. And I would demand that that was the truth and water the seed some more with faith and that energy of, oh my God, like, how does it feel that this $30K came in? Amazing, right? So declare—

is that frequency— how does it feel? Are those things aligned? Like, if you say hold the frequency, does that mean hold the feelings?

Yes, exactly. The frequency— your frequency is your emotional state, right? Um, whatever you mentally and emotionally marry is your frequency. So mentally committing and emotionally feeling that, oh my God, it's done, I'm so grateful, thank you, it happened, it was easy, came in so beautifully, like feeling it. Because what's— what— there's a certain degree of, of gratitude, right, that I can even manifest my reality in this type of way, right? So yeah, that was the step-by-step of how I did it. But the big part, the most important part, was the reprogramming, because there was no way I was going to create that $30K if I had all of these icky beliefs and doubts and fears about what was possible, right? The declaring is easy, setting a goal is easy, but becoming the identity of the goal That's what I did. I became the $30K in my mentality, in my body, in my energy.

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So, so you mentioned revealing the shadows. I'm seeing on your CV, timeline therapist. I know that there's a lot of people who've said, I had a bad childhood, it's not for me. And I'm sure you might want to share your experiences, but that, that kind of feeling of becoming that person despite these things Is that possible, or is it just that intention?

Absolutely. Um, for those who don't know, I had a very unstable childhood. My father was in and out of jail till I was 18. Uh, money was a feast and famine. There were moments where my family had to send my sister and I away to different family members, traveling a lot at a young age and struggling. Money was a big, big struggle, right? So Timeline Therapy is really about going to those root causes, those times in your youth from 0 to 7 where you began to feel those energetic agreements, unconscious beliefs started to form around lack, scarcity, not being good enough. And releasing those are the root cause, the root, root issue, right? This is what they call generational curses, generational wounding. It's, it's, you know, not seeing my mom, my father, and their parents have anything. That's going to leave an impression on a child, right? This is how the world works. It's struggle. I've been on— I was on the struggle bus for a long time. That was my desire, to break free from the struggle bus and create wealth for myself, you know. And there's so much programming as well around being filthy rich people, the rich kids, a lot of things that were able— collectively, oh yeah, that we have to untie. And that's where Timeline Therapy goes— comes in. It's really about— so if hypnotherapy— hypnotherapy is like making the bed and planting the seeds, and then Timeline Therapy is kind of scraping anything, any of the gunk underneath the bed, and taking out any of the generational, past lives, regression type of stuff that's like under the bed that you don't really know. That's where Timeline Therapy comes in.

It's like vacuuming the dust away.

Yes, 100%.

And, and so when you say, you know, releasing these or reprogramming, is that— it sounds to me like from NLP, my limited knowledge of it, that is kind of like the anchoring statements. Is that right? Or is it— there a lot more to that? Is the awareness of what they are and uncovering them? And is that enough?

Awareness is halfway healed. Awareness is halfway healed. It's good to be— a lot of people are aware that they procrastinate, but they don't take any action to change why they are doing it. Right. So it's good to illuminate the block. The real shift comes in the changed behavior or the changed belief system and overriding what was once there, removing the weed and then planting a better seed and letting that sprout and taking action from that new belief system. Because you're always operating from something, right? Lack, scarcity, or abundance, having more than enough, right? So, yes, illuminating the beliefs are important, but actually shifting the behavior that's attached to the belief is where the real change comes into, right? Because how are you going to run a marathon if you don't really believe in yourself? You're not going to really run that marathon. But if you have a new belief that you're capable and positive and everything's possible for you and take action from it, then the real new belief gets anchored and becomes who you are, right? Now I'm someone that makes $30K months plus, right? Like, that's just who I am now. I can't go back to Jane Slack-Smith, you know?

It is interesting because, you know, it makes me think of a kind of documentary that I saw on the Australian ABC, and they had this room full of babies, like, you know, I don't know, crawling babies. So, yeah, 8 months up, and they filled it full of snakes. And they had snake handlers there, and they were non-venomous snakes, etc. And the children looked at the snakes and then looked at the adults in the room to their reaction, and the reaction was of nothing. And so they patted the snakes and they were playing with the snakes, and the snakes were crawling over them. And it was just this observation of how, as a child, obviously between that 0 and 7 age that we look for how the adults, you know, are around us saying, "They must have done something really wrong to get money," or, you know, "Only good girls go to heaven," or, you know, "Unless you get A's, you know, you don't eat," or whatever it is. But that kind of awareness of those things is one thing. And potentially seeing the patterns, what plays out in your life. The next stage is what I'm hearing from you is not just being aware of it, but in the moment going, I choose to think rich people have done good and have a philanthropy opportunity to, to make a bigger, you know, impact in the world. Or I choose that, you know, sometimes a good girl can be a little sneaky and have a bit of fun, and it's okay, you're not going to go to But, you know, it's about choosing something in the moment and being aware of it. How hard is it to bring that observation of, oh, I should have done that, to now? Is that just a learned thing?

It's giving yourself grace because you are overriding decades of programming and identity stuff, right? We have to give ourselves self-compassion for things that we don't even— when I started my entrepreneurial journey, I had a subconscious belief that people wouldn't pay me because of the color of my skin, right? That is not something that I was was born with. That is something that was in present and seen and experienced, right, to see some sort of struggle in that regard. So it's the awareness, yes, but it's also giving yourself grace to, to change as we change, right? Hypnotherapy, obviously, and all these tools that I use makes it faster to do that stuff. But it's self-compassion that, yeah, I'm, I'm choosing something different. I've been choosing lack or struggle or hiding or playing small for this or people pleasing. A lot of people struggle with that. But now I'm going to stretch myself and bit by bit crawl to the new reality if you need to, right?

So, so I mean, having the depth of knowledge around all of the different skills and things that you have is extraordinary. The, I've had an experience, EFT tapping, right?

Yes.

How is that different from the NLP and the timeline therapy and hypnotherapy? Like how, where does that fit into this?

Yeah. EFT is very interesting. It's pretty much somatic work, energetic work, right? So in a lot of ways, the subconscious mind is the body, right? The body keeps the score. We feel things in our body. When my clients procrastinating or sabotaging, it's because their body isn't allowing them to take the action. There's a— there's a— what's the word? A stuckness, a subconscious resistance that they're not— they're just not posting, they're not executing, right? And it's in their body. So EFT tapping, which stands for Emotional Freedom Tapping, is a mix of acupressure and psychology and Chinese meridian points, right? So our body is running on several meridian points, like this pressure is attached to the liver and this is attached to something else, one of those type of things. I don't know all of them, but EFT is basically illuminating the subconscious fears by tapping on the negative parts or negative narratives that are coming up and then rewiring the mind and the body with the positive. So what it would look like would be this. The first 20 minutes is, I'm afraid to do this. Money never comes. You're kind of vomiting all of the negative feelings and thoughts that you've been having as you tap on the meridian points and release the subconscious resistance in your body, the fear, the anxiety, the tightness, the restriction, right? So you're first, you're giving light to the negative. I'm not good enough. Things don't work out for me, blah, blah, blah, over and over again till you feel complete. And then once you've given word and light to the negativity, then you want to reprogram the body with the positive. I'm more than enough. Everything works out for me. I'm safe to be seen. And you rewire the positivity into the body. And by the time you're in the EFT sequence, you're meant to feel very relaxed, very open, very expanded. Your energetic field is wide open. You don't feel so tight, right? Yeah. So you want to think of it as a door. When you start EFT, you're typically energetically closed like this. And as you tap, you're opening up your energy field. You're relaxing. You're feeling calm. The screaming narratives, the screaming children, as I call them, are relaxing, right? So the analogy I give in my business is you want to imagine yourself in a, in a bus, and you're trying to drive from point A to point B. And in the back of the bus, you have all of these screaming children. I'm not good enough. It's not going to work. Please, blah, blah, blah. And these children are screaming at the top of their lungs, right? With EFT, what we're we're taking each individual child— I'm not worthy, I'm not going to make money— and we're tapping on them. We're silencing them. We're giving them a voice and then calming them down so you can get in your bus and drive to your destination without all the ickiness.

I love that. I look, I, I had an experience of EFT and I was doubtful on what it was about, but I went with an open mind, but still going like, I still, I don't under— my logical mind does not understand this. But I'm open and willing. And I had this situation, it was a situation with a, a block of units and I had one unit and, and a builder had come in and he had overspent by millions of dollars and we were taking him to court and I jumped on the committee to help with the numbers and there was little old ladies losing their super and I was so angry. And for a year I would wake up grinding my teeth angry, Straight away my mind went straight to this man and the injustice of what he was doing. And my husband said to me, we gotta sell this place because I don't want my wife like this. Like, and I'm like, no, I know it's a good investment, I just, I just have to get over this. But it made me so— I was starting the day so angry. And this is for a year. And so I did EFT, and, and the lady said, you know, I have a 1 package or 3 package. I'm like, I'm gonna need at least 3 packages, so let's do 3. And honestly, within that 40 minutes, at the end of that 40 minutes, she said, tell me, what do you feel about that person? And I was like, I couldn't even remember his name.

Wow.

And I was just like, I don't know what that is. And I don't know what we're going to do for the next 2 things. I think I like did get over chocolate or something, but I was like, wow, that, that really was profound for me because it was a year of feeling like not good. And then that, that kind of, I guess that's rewiring. And of all of those processes that you've seen and used, do they each have a different role, or do you use them all together, or are they more effective in something than others?

Yes, for sure. So I use timeline therapy when the client says, I've been feeling like this my entire life, I've been struggling with being seen. When it's an entire life feeling that's a deeper, deeper, deeper since you were born in the mom's womb, like something deep. So Timeline Therapy is for that. It feels like it's always been this way. I've never felt enough.

It's the way I am.

It's just the way I am. That's when you do Timeline Therapy. EFT tapping is for procrastination, more self-sabotaging, the emotional blocks, like how you were feeling that kind of like anger emotion, some sort of like, you know, frustration. So that's for more of the emotional stuff. And then hypnotherapy I use to install new beliefs and to also release any current beliefs that are coming up. Like for me in the $30K, whatever type of beliefs around not being able to hit a goal, it's kind of more present day, more current moment kind of stuff for installing new beliefs. Yeah. And then NLP is just interweaved into all of them. NLP is more the talking patterns.

The language.

The language of it.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'm gonna switch gears here because this is something that really I'm kind of playing around the edges with and I'm kind of uncomfortable with, but I'm not sure, uh, you know, where we're gonna go with this. But, um, I heard you talking about I amness. Mm-hmm. And I'd been reading Neville Goddard's, you know, I am in the Bible says I am God. And as a good Catholic girl, I sit here going, how can I say I, I'm God? I'm. Like, that seems sacrilegious, but it feels so right. Like, if I'm the sovereign creator, and the Bible is actually telling us, we want you to be that, we don't want you put your faith in something else, there is this spiritual God component. And then overlaying that, I recently watched an expert in epigenetics, and she was doing essentially, from what I'm understanding, you're talking about timeline therapy, but she created a safe protection circle. And she said, I invoke Jesus. And she said, I don't believe in Jesus, but my experience has been that if there is— what's the word— narcissistic things that are out there that are going to try to tap your energy, the word Jesus stops it. It's the most powerful word. And so this kind of coming back to— and I'm standing comparative religions at the moment, and the Kabbalah, which is all about energy transmission, not religion. And like, all of these things are sitting with me that everything seems to be keep coming back to the spiritual and the religion and God. And I'm just interested in your thoughts on that because, you know, working with people for so long and helping them manifest, you know, what they want in their life, is there a spiritual component to that?

Absolutely. Absolutely. There's no denying. I would never denounce God. I was— grew up Pentecostal. Uh, do I believe in— just me, take it or leave it— do I believe in going to church every day to meet, or every Sunday to meet God? No, I don't think you need to go to church every Sunday to meet God. I think it's a very, um, private individual thing. The way I will break down the way I see it, um, is we are a particle in the body of God, okay? We are a particle or a fractal of the body of God, right? If God is perfect love, whole, complete, all that is, then we too are perfect, loved, whole, complete, right? And because we are God's highest form of creation, we are particle, we are a daughter of God, son of God, whatever you are, whatever you want to call it, we have everything that we need within us to create our reality and demand our realities like the Bible says. Yes, we can, right? So the I Am-ness is the, the God consciousness that flows through all of us. If we're all in the body of God, there is a flowing, like we are all attached to that energy, right? To that consciousness, that awareness, right? So Gnarly is a program. She's a pattern. She was born, given a name, given a religion, given all these beliefs. But my I Am-ness, my perfectness, My, my, uh, what's the word, the, the purity of me is God, right? Gnarly has the daddy issues, the fears, the blocks, but my I Am-ness is perfect. There's no distortion, there's no limitation. What is 3— what is $30K to God, right? What is $30K to God, right? What is— what are these blocks to God, right? To the I Am-ness that we are, the perfection of our, our being. Right. Bob Proctor would always say this in his— I don't know if you know who Bob Proctor is. Yeah. Okay. So he would always say you are God's highest form of creation.

Yeah.

You are God's highest form of creation. And the Bible, it's everywhere. It's everywhere. What I— what I think there's a Bible verse that's like, what I've— what I can do, you can do greater, right? What the Father can do or something greater than I. I'm not a Bible whatever person, but you know what I mean? There's some verses in there. There's a verse. So when I tap into my God power, the God state, and I look at the distortion of what gnarly in the programming in society wants me to think, and I tap into the Godness, the I Am-ness, the infinite, I don't feel fear. I don't feel this limitation. I feel expanded. I feel taken care of. I know that my father, you know, there's provision, there's whatever, right? So live in a reality where it's your choice. Abracadabra. If you want to believe in God, great. If you want to believe that there's someone watching you that's judging you, great. I like to believe that God has given me his power. He is backing me. His desires are my desires, right? The word desire, the root word of that means of sire, right? S-I-R-E. Of sire, of the father, of the God. So if you have a desire to be a millionaire, to start the business, to be married, that is the desire of God coming down into your body. Your vessel, saying, this is for you, my child, right? If you want to be— I don't want to be very, very religious in this because I'm not, but I look at it from a very spiritual lens more than a religious lens.

More and more people I speak about this who say, I'm not religious, but yes, there's a God, there's a God consciousness. I've got a program called God Mode. It's about sovereignty. And yeah, um, I, I listened to this and I was listening to, um, you know, information about Kabbalah and like there's two things, there's the creator and the vessel. Vessel. And the creator, you know, created the vessel so the vessel could have an experience that will come back to the creator. And your analogy of this universal kind of security camera here is the universe who's, you know, acting in wanting the best for us, but will not give us more than what we're capable for. And it's like, is she ready? Is she ready? Is she ready? Like, what is she acting? And if she is, you know, you get closer and closer to that Source of, you know, God, universe, source, energy, power, connectedness, whatever, I amness. But there seems to be, through everyone I speak to, that there is this acceptance that there is a bigger consciousness that we're a part of, and we're already fulfilled. We just have to remember how to be that.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So, so true. And that's why you think of someone and then 3 days later they call you or they message you, right? We're all connected, right? We're all in the body of God, right? We're all perfect and complete. And I feel like people are disconnected. It really depends on how you were raised, right? People— like, I don't really believe in dogma, right? I don't like the idea of because my mom and dad were Jewish, then I have to be Jewish. I don't really like that train of thinking, to be very honest. But there is definitely something that is moving us along. And I like to think of it as we're all God in drag. Right? I'm just really God playing the character of Narlie, and he chose to come to this world.

And today this is my costume.

Yeah, today this is my costume, right? But yeah, you get to— I think having the I Am conversation has really helped me transcend my limitations, right? Because logic is limited, the egoic mind is limited, but God, I Am, is infinite. Yeah, we're limitless. We're limit— sorry, we're limitless in consciousness. Yeah, what can't in consciousness, right? Yeah.

And I, I appreciate you discussing this because it's with some trepidation that you bring it up, because there is the, I guess, the move away from the dogmas of religious works. And I read today, just, uh, um, someone had posted the words of the new Pope, Roman Catholic Pope, and his words were essentially As long as I draw breath, you know, this church is a home for the homeless. It is not— you do not need a VIP card. And, you know, and it is for those that are broken and for those who have left prayer, but those who still want to feel a connection. And that really resonated with me because I appreciated the fact that it felt like the dogma. And it's like, and, you know, those who've left because of abuse and have left because of, you know, all of these things that have gone on. And I think if more spiritual leaders and more leaders speak from that type of heart, that is, it's okay to be broken, it's okay to have doubts, it's okay to have fears, but there is a connection point. And be it, you know, your connection to Source or to universal energy or to God or to whomever, or to your own divine spark, you know, there is a way that you can pull out the energy when you feel that you're in a place that's like, maybe I should just sit down, shut up, and get on with life and not want more and not want to manifest more. There is something that you can tap into that gives you that sense of actually there's something higher than me that already sees the potential of this.

Yes, yes, yes. You're being supported. And that, that's the thing. Like you are so supportive. You're so supported. And then I feel like also when you really learn how the subconscious mind works, you really get how supported you because then you can actually program yourself to, to hit your goals and get where you want to be, right? And be more confident, right? This whole thing started because I quit smoking through hypnotherapy, and I was like, a 10-year addiction, a 10-year addiction, one in one hour. So I was like, well, what else can that do? What else is going on in our minds that God has given us? I Am has given us, right, these, these tools to use, right? Wow. Thank you for having this conversation, Jane, because a lot of people steer away from it, and I think it's been actually really helpful for me, the I am-ness and the consciousness conversation.

And I think it's, um, there is a fear that you will be, uh, ostracized by your audience or your community, and they're like, wait a second, I'm an atheist, this does not affect me. But the atheists already believe in something. They believe in not believing in God, right? And so, you know, there is this kind of, um, I think, uh, worry and a fear for people in the public eye in having this conversation. And, you know, I remember reading Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich, and the last chapter was all about God. And I'm like, what? This has no place here. Like, I was learning about the greatest minds in the world, and all of a sudden you throw this God stuff in. And it wasn't until— I don't— have you read Outwitting the Devil?

No, but I've heard amazing things about it.

And so it's the only book I've ever read twice. And I read maybe 6 books a month and Audible, Kindle reading, you know, I've got lots of books on the way, but I'm— it's the only one I've listened to more than once. And I had heard on a number of business podcasts people saying that like every year I start with this. And I thought, God, what is that about? And the interesting thing about it is that Napoleon Hill, you know, he wrote his book book, seminal book, Think and Grow Rich, 1928. And he then followed it up by writing this Outwitting the Devil, which is a conversation with the devil about how— it's like he's captured the devil and it's a chat, and it's about why do humans keep themselves stuck? Why do religions, governments, and schools put us in a structure of a matrix that keeps us indoctrinated? And his wife said, if you release this, you— it will, it will kill your career, and you cannot release it until I die. And so he made that commitment, and she died in 1983. But his son or nephew and his wife took over the business, and the wife said, you can't release this because we— it will kill our business. The religions, everyone will come after us. Wow. And so it's only been released in like the last 15 years. And if you listen to it on Audible, The Voice of the Devil is really scary, but It is a beautiful narrative about— and the devil representing our fears and our doubts and our subconscious and our beliefs and all of the doctrines that we have. But if you listen to it, it's— it is something that I think everyone should hear because it really gives you that insights into there's something else out there, the, the external shadows or whatever that have been constructed to keep you confined, as well as the internal ones and your cultural ones and your childhood ones that have kept you like in, in a way of being. And this breaking out is, I mean, I think you beautifully said it, it's almost like an active sport. Like you have to take aligned action, you have to have will, you have to, you know, there has to be intention behind it because just thinking and hoping is not going to— hope's not a strategy, right? It's not going to get anyone anywhere. So Yeah, I really appreciate the conversation because I think it's one that has to be had and is across all religions and dogma.

Yes, yes. Thank you. Yes. And it's, it's a powerful conversation. It's still, even the book that one of the books that I love to read is The Power of Your Subconscious Mind by Dr. Joseph Murphy. And he's a, he's a pastor. So he interweaves a lot of God talk with the subconscious mind conversation. At first I was like, what the, what do you mean? Like, you know, how does it relate?

Luke 13.

It's all intertwined.

Well, I feel intertwined with you. Thank you so much for this conversation. I really appreciate it because it's given me, um, that exploration of certainty is, is something that I had, and confidence. And as, as a difference, confidence, certainty, and, um, that's really been very powerful for me. And also I guess the— these metaphors of the fact that as you turn up, you know, you've got something here watching you and it's going to provide the reality and the costumes you put on and the way your intention. And in any moment you can change things and not be a victim of the past and give up smoking like that after 10 years, or an addiction, or anger over some past property deal. But, you know, I think That is so powerful because it really gives me a framework of going, you know, if you believe this and you take, you know, defined action towards this and you're aware of the things that can trip you up and forgive yourself. And I think you said, have grace for yourself in those periods and grieve the losses and potentially the people losing, leaving your life. It's okay because you're on this path to I amness and fulfillment.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Oh, gnarly. Well, look, I just love this conversation. Me too. People want to reach out to you. What's the easiest way? I'll put all the details underneath it.

Yes. I am most active on Instagram at gnarlyk, at N-A-R-L-E-Y-K, gnarlyk. That's where I hang out the most. And I just started a YouTube channel, which is gnarlyk coaching. So find me on there growing.

Well, I love the YouTube channel. I was like, I was listening to it all going, this is fantastic. So, um, yeah, I'll have to look at Instagram too. But thank you so much. I really, I really appreciate, um, how deep we went in this conversation.

Thank you so much.

And especially because I blindsided you. Thought you were just turning up to say hi. How you just set up with the time?

I was like, okay, all right. Yeah, like, okay, put on your costume.

You did well! Thank you so much. And to everyone listening, as always, here's to your success. Bye for now.

Cheers.

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