Float Therapy for Brain Health

Basically, all that 1,000 pounds of salt inside that float tank creates this extremely buoyant saltwater solution that you can literally take a bowling ball, put it in the water, and it would easily float to the top like a cork.

Max Kassa—he's a martial artist, he's an instructor, he's a biohacker, he's a performance coach, and he's an expert on float therapy.

When you're inside that tank, it's totally void of all external sensory stimulation coming into the brain altogether. Welcome.

Welcome back to the Kwik Brain Podcast. I am your host and your brain coach, Jim Kwik. And we have a unique episode. I'm really excited about sharing one of my practices that I haven't ever shared before in a podcast in over a few hundred episodes and, or even our books. And I want to thank everybody for ordering and sharing our brand new book, Limitless Expanded. This is recently updated with brand new chapters for a post-pandemic and the AI world. I hope you enjoy that. You can find out more at limitlessbook.com. The topic We're going to talk about today is we're going to go deep in this area of accelerated learning. We're going to talk about the power of silence, solitude. We're going to talk about speed learning and a superior mind. And we're going to delve into the uncharted depths of float therapy. And we'll go through this. And most people have access in most major cities. It's something that I've been excited about and part of my practice for over a decade and a half. And we have a good friend on with us today. His name is Max Kassa.

Hi, Max.

He's a martial artist, he's an instructor, he's a biohacker, he's a performance coach. He is founder of Vitality Floats, and he's an expert on float therapy. Max, buddy, we've been talking about this for a while. Thanks for being on the show.

Yeah, pleasure to be here, man. Thanks for having me on.

Yeah. And so, we're going to talk about float therapy. Why don't we start for people who are listening and that might put some images in their mind. Why don't we briefly explain what float therapy is?

Yeah. So, float therapy or sensory deprivation as also known is a powerful form of therapy that usually involves getting in a big egg-shaped hot tub type tank usually with the lid over the top. But, if you got a chance to look at our site at all, we have totally open float tanks as well which look more like an open hot tub, which is great for anxious and claustrophobic people. But really, floating involves getting in that tank and inside that tank is 10 inches of water. But as you know, those 10 inches of water are extremely supersaturated with over 1,000 pounds of therapeutic-grade magnesium salts, commonly Epsom salts. And Epsom salts has many benefits as we've known for hundreds of years at this point. But basically, all that 1,000 pounds of salt inside that float tank creates this extremely buoyant saltwater solution. So, so buoyant that you could literally take a bowling ball, put it in the water, and it would easily float to the top like a cork. So, the float tank enables effortless floating, but it isn't just the 1,000 pounds of magnesium salts in the tank that make it so unique because when you're inside that tank, it's totally void of all external sensory stimulation coming into the brain altogether. Which means that when you're in that tank, there's no light coming in. Not even a single photon of light is entering the user's experience at all. There's no sounds coming into the user's experience because the user is wearing earplugs and the tank itself is actually sound-resistant. And, there's no smells, there's no taste, there's no movement, there's no speech inside the tank. And, there isn't even a sensation of touch inside the tank, which is fascinating because The saltwater solution and the air inside the tank is precisely heated and kept at a constant 94.5 degrees Fahrenheit, which is the same exact temperature as the external layer of your skin. So, it becomes skin receptor neutral and that can lead to profound— because really what happens is the user's brain loses sensation of where their body ends and where the water begins in a well-calibrated tank. And, that can lead to profound spiritual or life-changing experiences inside the tank. But ultimately, floating is a form of therapy, involves getting inside the tank, laying back, flicking the lights off, and floating in the silent darkness.

I've been using it for, as I mentioned, for a decade and a half for everything from helps me to relieve stress and anxiety. It helps stimulate my creativity. We're going to talk about accelerated learning. It helps. It's helped deepen my meditation practices. It's helped me with some chronic pain. I know I have friends who float also that they're athletes and they use it for incredible recovery to be able to bounce back and bounce forward. You know, it increases introspection, you know, and builds that awareness. And, you know, some people say it suggests it accelerates healing and could boost your immune system because it lowers the stress, improves circulation, all these different benefits. Yeah, so I wanted to have this conversation with you to introduce this concept to our community as another tool for people, something that's so simple. It could be either passive or it could be active. Now, maybe you could just go briefly into— before we go into the process of this, maybe you could go into what inspired you to be an expert in this field.

It really started when I was super young and when I was born actually. I was diagnosed with a degenerative neuromuscular disease at birth called Charcot-Marie-Tooth or CMT for short. And, I started seeing I was having trouble walking and my balance is off and my coordination and all the rest of it. So, my parents were looking for different forms of therapies to get me in to help with that process and help cope and help with the healing. So, they ended up getting me into martial arts at a super young age, which is really great and really awesome and super grateful they did that. And, Really just as I got older and started teaching and competing in the martial arts more, I was just constantly looking for ways to optimize my mind and body and really dial things in like a lot of your listeners, I'm sure. And, I started exploring different modalities and different therapies. And really, I kind of went on a quest, I guess you could say, exploring many of the high-end Western world technologies that a lot of your listeners are into. South American shamanic brews and Eastern medicines and just about everything in between. But, for my first float, I went in when I was about 16, 17 years old for my first float session. And, it was really just something resonated so deep inside of me because it was the first form of therapy that I had found that was one, easily accessible, didn't involve taking anything or drinking any brews or anything like that. And, it really linked together really beautifully the physical and mental recovery, which I was really craving for my martial arts career at the time, and the spiritual piece as well, which a part of me definitely had a yearning to dive deeper into at that point in my life. So, yeah, it was great, man. And then, I started diving deeper into the benefits of it and started getting more and more hooked and floating more often. And ultimately, got so inspired that I started up my company, Max Vitality, where we now distribute Our Vitality float tanks and our Vitality salts and all the rest of it, man.

Alright. So, let's delve into some of the science. A lot of our listeners are science geeks. How would you say float therapy impacts brain, brain health, cognitive health, function?

Yeah. So, there's so many ways that it impacts the brain as you're aware, but really there's 3 main pillars of benefits that sums this up really nice. One is all the benefits we're getting from the zero-gravity environment because when you're inside the tank, it's totally unlike a bed or a mattress at the end of the night where there's thousands of springs and pain points cutting off your microcirculation. Because when you're in a true zero-gravity environment like the float tank, your blood vasculature can totally relax and your capillaries can totally vasodilate. So, what we see is this huge surge and increase in things like blood flow and oxygen flow and microcirculation. to all parts of the body, but not just that, all parts of the brain as well, which is really important for a lot of neurological conditions and brain functions. Second, we get all the benefits from the sensory deprivation. And, when we're in the sensory deprivation, what happens is it's really the first time in the user's entire life oftentimes where they're not being bombarded with all this external sensory stimulation to the brain.

Yeah. delirious effects that could come from billions of input in terms of stimulation, to be able to turn that off is— I mean, it's such a sanctuary. It's kind of the place that I go to be able to remove, as you mentioned, when I'm lying there, I can't see anything. I can't hear anything. I can't— my somatic awareness, I can't feel anything. because of that weightlessness and the temperature match. And, when I come out, not only am I rejuvenated and refreshed and I sleep really well, but I'm incredibly creative also. We could talk in a moment about the mechanisms and the brainwave states of mind.

Yeah, definitely. And, I'm glad you said that too because one of the things that comes up with that sensory deprivation is our brain. One, we see a lot of neural connections being made, Neuroplasticity starts shooting up. What we see is the left and right hemispheres of the brain, which typically operate more interdependently, when we're in sensory deprivation, there's no more distractions and feedback and they can really focus and they begin to harmonize and synergize and begin to vibrate in unison. And, what we see as a result of this is things like experiences like the flow state or ultimately heightened states of consciousness and awareness. when the left-right hemispheres of the brain can really come into coherence there, which is really, really interesting. And then, really the third main pillar of benefits there is all the benefits of the magnesium because when you're in this float tank, again, it's 1,000 pounds of magnesium salts. When you're in that tank, you're actually soaking up magnesium transdermally through the hair follicles of your skin during the entirety of every float session. And again, it's not just that you're soaking up through your skin, A lot of people don't realize you're also breathing this stuff in. You're also soaking it up through the mucous membranes in your backside as well. So, the float tank's really like a magnesium bomb, I guess you could say. And, magnesium has many thousands of benefits on brain function, neurological function, and hormones. Yeah, hormones.

Amazing. So, when we're talking about— let's go into brainwaves. Have they ever done any kind of diagnostic when somebody's in a float tank to see what brainwave states or their brain activity?

Yeah, they've been hooked up to EEGs. And, what we see is when people go into the float tank, their brainwaves are shifting oftentimes from beta to the alpha brainwaves and even dropping into deep delta and even theta brainwaves at times because it's really like being in the tank, it's kind of like a cheat to meditation. So, all the similar brainwaves you'd be able to see people getting to in deep states of meditation with many thousands of hours of meditation practice. Oftentimes, people are able to drop into just by going to the float tank because they don't have to focus or try as hard to cut out all that external stimulation. The tank does a really good job at cutting all the feedback out for you, which is great.

So, you have that Triune, the zero-G, right? And, I've had the opportunity to go on the zero-G flights, you know, but they're extremely costly, not very practical, and you're only getting kind of like these little hits of being weightless. You have the sensory deprivation because protection against all the stimulus from what you could see, what you could hear, EMFs, all those things. And then you have the benefits, all the magnesium. for your physiology, you know, for your physical and your mental health. We talked about brainwave states and the mental health benefits of just that relaxation, that recovery, you know, those meditative states. So that's like passive, right? So where you can kind of go in there, lie in there, don't have to think about anything. And, you know, it maybe takes a handful of minutes for us to think like, you know, hey, I'm here. The kind of transition from going that beta awake, you know, that sympathetic kind of state to more of that parasympathetic rest and digest. But there's an active way. It's interesting with your unit that I purchased. It's interesting because now I'm experimenting with it because it has a light component and an audio component. And I noticed that I can even use it as part of my accelerated learning practice, right? Everything around quick learning is how do you read faster? How do you remember better? How do you focus better?

Mm-hmm.

And so, when I'm in there, I could listen to my NuCalm, which I've talked about, one of my favorite sound apps, or I could do self-hypnosis or hypnosis tracks. And, have they done any research or some studies doing that? I know there's mention somewhere of Navy SEALs using this as part of their repertoire.

Yeah. The whole world of active float. So again, As you said, passive floats would be kind of just going into the silent darkness and setting your intention to just surrender to the medicine that is the silent darkness. And, anything that comes up, you just allow it and have that experience that way. In the silent darkness is the key. And then, active floats you touched on because now maybe people are leveraging those powerful underwater sound transducers that we have installed in the sides of our Vitality Pods. And, on the back of your tank, there's that aux cord that comes out. Just plug that phone into the aux cord, then you can select any powerful frequencies or guided meditations. Like you said, hypnosis. We've actually been working with a good amount of hypnosis centers because hypnosis has been shown to be over 5 times more effective when it's done in sensory deprivation versus when it's done outside of the float tank.

Wow.

So, that's really powerful just because those sublingual messages can go right into the subconscious psyche without your awareness getting yanked around by all the other stimulation coming in. But, I know you'd mentioned the Navy SEALs accelerated learning. What they've been doing is they've been using the float tank as an accelerated learning environment for many things, but one of the ones they talk more openly about is their ability to speed learn languages. And, what they found is they were able to increase the speed of their learning and cut it down. Before, it was taking 6 months for them to learn a language. And, they've been able to cut that down just to 6 weeks. So, they literally saw a 75% increase in the speed of their learning just by doing it inside the Flowtech.

That's outstanding. I think a lot of people are listening, they want to be able to have these benefits. I mean, who wouldn't want to be able to learn more quickly besides all the mental and physical benefits that come from this? How might somebody integrate float therapy into a routine to boost their creativity or their performance?

So again, really just depends on what they're looking to get out of it. Again, we have some people that are coming in dealing with physical ailments, maybe a broken ankle or concussion or hurt back or something like that. And, for those types of things, we always recommend floating as many times as they can in those first 2 weeks to really reduce the inflammation, accelerate the healing. But, for a lot of neurological functions, again, It depends what aspect if they're looking to quiet the mind, if they're looking to help dim out the amygdala a little bit, if they're dealing with any anxiety or stress or anything like that. There's really good research showing that the short-term anti-anxiety effects of a single float session last anywhere from 24 to 72 hours after a single 1-hour float session. So, that means people are going into a float tank, And, they're seeing incredible anti-anxiety benefits. We're seeing 24 to 72 hours after a single float, which is really, really incredible, Ben. So again, anywhere from a couple times a week to a couple times a month can be really effective for improving brain function and brain health.

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Yeah, I think you're right on with that. The 3 or 4 sessions right off the bat, because again, that first experience is kind of learning the experience, seeing what it's all about, your nervous system, just making sure your brain, parts of your brain and your mind, making sure you're all safe in there. Nothing's gonna pop out at you or anything like that, you know. But, uh, Yeah. So usually, we recommend 3 floats within the first month or so. And, what you start to see is maybe that first float session, maybe it takes you 45 minutes of the 60-minute session to really drop in and relax and tap into that deep peaceful calm state. But then, what we see is the second time you pop into the tank, it's only taking 25, 30 minutes. By the third time you're popping in there, you're able to drop into that peace and relaxation maybe in 5 or 10 minutes to start reaping more of those nourishing parasympathetic benefits, which have so many beautiful benefits on the brain health and reducing neural inflammation and cortisol levels, et cetera.

It's so important for me, I'm going full-on cognitively like most people, but sometimes it's so important to disconnect to be able to reconnect with ourself and just So for me, it's a big mood booster. You know, it just gets me back to center, you know, meaning you kind of shut off all the ex— the environment and I could go inward. And that introspection for me has been very valuable. I find that, I don't know what your practice is, but afterwards I like to journal. And I find that, you know, I have ideas that weren't there before. Things look different.

Yeah.

I see things different maybe because I didn't hear anything or see anything or, you know, feel anything external for, you know, and I'm generally in there from 45 minutes to 60 minutes, you know, to be able to get my effect. You know, I think it's such a reprieve, you know, and most cities have a spa where they have these services.

Yeah, we start to see, I mean, the form of therapy has really caught like wildfire, especially in Australia and Europe and came from the West Coast over in the States. It's been really cool. Yeah. So, I mean, a lot of different health and wellness centers. If you just pop on Google and you type in float center near me, usually get some good things within 10, 50 miles, something like that. But, no, that's really great. I'm happy to hear all the benefits you're reaping from it as well.

There's times where I'm just so relaxed that I'll actually sleep sometimes. Do you ever find yourself kind of dozing off while you're in there?

Yeah. No, sometimes. As your brain's shifting into these other brainwaves and other brain states which are in between waking and sleeping states, yeah, it's not uncommon for people to fall asleep in there. And, if that's the medicine that your nervous system and your brain was craving, you'll get that.

I'll often travel to a city and I'll have to do a presentation the next morning and I'll find a center to be able to do my float. the night before. And, it's night and day, different kinds of experience. I'm an advisor for the largest franchise of float, TrueRest. I don't know if you're familiar with them. They have 50 or so in the States centers, but it's more— I'm glad to see this offering being available for more people. It's a little bit of an investment. Not everybody can get their own tank. I know they could certainly go to your website and I want to thank you because before we started recording, you offered a discount for all of our listeners and people could go to maxvitality.co, C-O, maxvitality.co. And when they use the code Kwik, you're actually going to save $2,500 off of Tank, which is, I think, is incredibly generous. So, so thank you for, for making that available. I wanted to talk about the magnesium. One of the things our family loves, and we've gifted this out too, are these Vitality Salts. And I don't want to turn this into a commercial, but people ask me all the time for tools and resources, you know, the things that I incorporate, you know, for myself and for my clients. So, what's different about this magnesium salts than like traditional, I don't know, Epsom salts I could get at a pharmacy or something like that?

Yeah, man. Well, I'm happy to hear you've been enjoying the salts.

Yeah. I mean, this is something that we could do. Our family does even just creating the magnesium bath before. Even if you don't have a float tank, you could put some of these salts. Or, the other day, we put just some warm water into a little portable bucket tub and I just stick my feet in there even for 45 minutes when I was reading and journaling. I felt completely Yeah.

One, a lot of people have heard of because really that pillar benefits we talked about, the magnesium getting soaked up through the skin, I guess that's really the pillar benefits that's captured my heart, I guess you could say, these past few years because there's so many beautiful benefits of magnesium. When it comes to magnesium, a lot of people run— again, whole food sources of a lot of these vitamins and minerals are great, but the issue is Our magnesium-rich foods only have as much magnesium as the soils that they're grown in. And unfortunately, a lot of our soil has been stripped due to things like factory farming and the fertilizer, et cetera. And, a lot of the oral mag supplements, although they're great as well, a lot of them are just highly processed and mildly toxic and destroyed by the GI tract. And, not just that, a lot of times they've been shown to take over 9 to 12 months to really start to increase our magnesium levels in the body. So, magnesium, so important for neurological function. And, transdermal forms of magnesium or magnesium absorbed through the skin is the most rapid and effective way to get into the body because it's absorbed directly into the bloodstream and we start reaping those benefits instantaneously. So, a lot of people when they're diving into transdermal forms, they look for Epsom salts. A lot of us have heard of the benefits of Epsom salt soaks. What's cool is magnesium chloride like you see in that blend has over 230% more magnesium than Epsom salt. So, even if someone's listening at home, not that they have to run out and buy the salts or anything, but even just swapping the Epsom salt for magnesium chloride and you'll start feeling a lot more relaxed, the mind will get a little bit quieter and one-pointed, be sleeping better at night, which is great. And, the other main thing with those salts is magnesium has 3 powerful cofactors. Which if we really want to increase our magnesium levels is pretty important we know about. We have vitamin B6, which helps get the magnesium deeper into the cells. Bicarbonate, which helps get the magnesium deeper into the mitochondria where our body can use that magnesium to create ATP energy, which is the primary fuel source for our brain cells and just about every biological function. And then, boron, which helps our body actually hold on to that magnesium longer and more effectively. So basically, And, that salt blend, Vitality Salts, it has the purest magnesium chloride with magnesium's powerful cofactors. I always use it topically whether it's in the float tank or a bath or foot soaks are great. That's why I'm in one right now because you got the largest pores in the body in the bottom of the feet and the nerve endings to every major organ in the body. So, like I said, I love it. Love how you're doing it while you read. I love doing it while I'm reading, journaling, gratitude practice at the end of the night. Throw the feet in there and start soaking up the mag right away.

Our listeners could get their Vitality Salts also at maxvitality.co and use the code Kwik, and you're also going to get a generous discount also on that. So, thank you for making that possible with our community. So, I think some people are just interested. They want to maybe try their first float for the first time. What recommendations would you have for that person listening?

For one, a lot of us, as you pointed out, a lot of us go into these floats or new experiences with expectations. So, one, just when you walk into the float center, leaving that at the door. And 2, just making sure morning of, we stand clear of caffeine, recommend keeping the caffeine away so we're not jittery and we can really relax more deeply in there. Ideally, not shaving the night before or the morning of or anything like that because again, that's such a saline concentrated environment. So, if there's any cuts or scrapes or anything like that, It can give you a good sting and you'll have a good run-in with the pain teacher. So, usually, if you got any scrapes, just putting the Vaseline on it ahead of time, usually the float center will have that right outside the tank. And then, when you go in for that first float, again, some people maybe they're anxious or claustrophobic or they say, hey, I could never get in one of those things because I could never be alone with just my thoughts for so long, we hear some people say.

Yeah.

But that's really the point of this practice. You go in there, you shut the lid, and, um, if that's, if that's too much for you for your first sesh, you know, no pressure on it. We just like to lower the barrier to entry. So maybe, maybe you go in for your first float, you keep the lights on in the room, you keep the lights on in the tank, and you keep the lid open. You know, just there's, there's nothing keeping you in there. Maybe you stay in there for 5 minutes for that first float.

Um, whatever.

Whatever you can handle for that first session, just listen to your body. And then, we'll gradually build up from there until eventually we're in the silent darkness and we can sit in there and surrender to it and just allow whatever comes through to come through. Yeah, a lot of times when I'm in there now, I'm just working on practices to quiet my mind because again, all day usually my mind's running around, leading me around. But, when I can take my power back and allow my mind to just quiet, Rest. It's really cool is give it the permission to say, hey, because all day we're giving our mind tasks to do and it will gladly do them. But, when we go into a box or a tank like this and we just say to our brain, hey, I don't want you to think about anything for the next hour. You don't have to do anything. You don't think about the family, you don't think about the kids, you don't think about work. You just go into that tank, quiet the mind, and then we can start to go into opening up the heart. And ultimately, tapping into states of higher states of consciousness and ultimately superconsciousness.

And, when somebody's visiting these float centers, it's sanitary, right? I know your unit is extremely sanitary because we have friends and family members that use it, but how does that work?

So, there's a thorough filtration system on our tanks, for example. So, after each client gets out of the tank, The float owner facilitator will press a button on the back of the tank and all of that saltwater, every single molecule of that saltwater solution gets blasted with ozone purification, goes through UV purification, goes through a micron filter, goes back into the tank. And, for starters, you can't forget that saltwater solution, it's not bathwater. It's incredibly saline, over 4 times more concentrated that even the Dead Sea, nothing can live in there anyway. And then, if anything was, as an extra measure, usually we dose it with hydrogen peroxide rather than chlorine or bromine or anything like that. Just keep it food-grade, food-safe, and the minerals intact, all the rest of it, man.

Yeah, incredibly clean. That's what our users say and they're just really, really impressed with that. So, I want to encourage anybody who has the means Or just interested in more details to go to maxvitality.co, that's C-O, and use the code Kwik if you decide to purchase either the salts or purchase one of their tanks for home use. This is a conversation I've been wanting to have because this just gives you an extra advantage, right? This is something that everybody is searching for peace of mind, and peace of mind is the high currency right now, you know, in a world that— We're overstimulated. And so, if you're thinking about how do I recover in a world full of the rings and the dings and the information overload and all the different distractions, this is a wonderful way to kind of gift yourself time or find a local spa close by. As you mentioned, just look in your search engine and find a float spa close by and it's readily accessible. And I'm glad, you know, like you are getting the word out, you know, to, to more, more people, you know, about this. 'Cause I find that, you know, some of my clients in Silicon Valley, some of my high performer people in the entertainment field, certainly in athletics, you know, in sports, you know, this is their go-to, you know, for, for mental and physical recovery. But, you know, part of the Kwik Brain podcast is we want to bring some of these high-end tools and, and strategies or even things like the magnesium salts can make a big difference in your life. And, it's an investment that we make in our own productivity and profitability.

Definitely, man. Yeah, very well said. And, glad you've been getting in there and been able to quiet the mind and surrender to the silent darkness and reap all its beautiful benefits.

That's perfect. Max, how do people stay in touch besides maxvitality.co? For more information about their salts and the, and you know, customizing a tank for for their accelerated learning and and and performance. How can people social media or? Yeah, social media is great.

Either they can follow me at at Max Casa M A X X C A S A. See what we're doing there, but also our our business page Max Vitality dot co, and and I'm sure we can we can drop those in the. The show notes as well for people to check out. Yeah, really there, the website. On the website, you'll see all of the salts, all the Vitality Chambers. We got a bunch of 'em. We got enclosed ones, look more like an egg. We also have totally open ones, look more like your swim spa in the back or a totally open hot tub, something like that. So, a bunch of different styles and a bunch of different price points too. We got small, we got medium, we got large ones that are large enough to float 2 people at once. Which are great for commercial centers and couples floats, et cetera. But yeah, man, so reach out to there and I'm looking forward to connecting with more of the Kwik universe, man.

Max, so I want to thank you so much for educating us on float therapy. I think I'm curious with our listeners if you've ever had this experience before, make sure you post it, take a screenshot wherever you're consuming this, tag Max, tag myself, you know, and so we get to see it and And I would love to see, hear your stories if you've experienced float therapy before, sensory deprivation, maybe some of the benefits that come from magnesium salts. I'll repost some of my favorites as we often do because you'll tag us and we get to see it. I'll actually gift, you know, I have an extra bag of Vitality Salts to one person who happens to be listening to this as we often do just as a thank you for listening to our show and sharing it. And, Max, thanks again for being on our show and for setting us up and my family up, clients up with this amazing float experience.

I appreciate you, man. Thank you for everything as well. And yeah, I hope anyone listens to this, they've been encouraged or inspired to at least go give it a shot. Again, 3 times, 3 times. Don't quit after one. Get in there and I hope you guys reap some of the same benefits that I have.

I always tell people with anything, try things 3 times. One, to kind of get the experience of it. Another, to get kind of good at it. And third one, just to see if you like it and want to continue long-term. And I feel like when you get into that flow state, which we didn't get a chance to talk about, but those, for me, I feel like I lose track of time. I lose track of self. Also, and my performance is so much better because of it. So Max, thanks again.

My brother, I appreciate you, man.

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