The Secret to Using Your Whole Brain with Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor & Jim Kwik

Welcome back, Kwik Brain. Here's your question for today. What is the secret to whole brain living? We talk about this incredible gift that you have between your ears. What is the secret for making good choices in your life, for being able to live the life you desire and really deserve? And I'm very excited to have on our show Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor. If her name sounds familiar, many of you have watched the TED— her TED Talk, which I've recommended numerous Times, or also her memoir, which is My Stroke of Insight, which we've recommended on our book list for many, many years. Dr. Jill and I, we met years ago sharing this stage. This was like 10-plus years ago. And it's so good to have you on the show.

Oh, it's so good to see you. It's so good to see you. Brain guy, you know, it's like, how can I not be excited?

So I love this. Whole Brain Living: The Anatomy of Choice and the 4 Characters That Drive Our Life. And this book is such a— it's such a mythbuster. You know, most people know about the left brain and right brain, but they don't realize that they're actually— there are 4 characters that are in there. So why don't we— why don't we talk about some of the myths that are out there, and then we could get into some of the mechanics?

Perfect. So the first one, of course, we only use 10% of our brain. And it's just not like that. Neurons are like people. They are in a network. They are in circuitry. They are communicating. They are social. And if they're in there, they're doing something. And neurons that don't get stimulated, they actually curl up in little balls and they tend to die. So we know if it's alive and it's in your head, You're using it. Now, we might not have a complete understanding about what exactly it's doing because some of them are conscious at a conscious level and some of them are at a subconscious level. But that's, that's one. And then the other one is so many of us believe the right brain is our emotional brain and our left brain is our rational thinking brain. And that's not true either. Although it is true that the thinking tissue in our left hemisphere is our rational brain that relates to the external world, our emotional system is evenly divided at a cellular level between the right hemisphere and the left hemisphere. So what that means is we have 2 amygdalae, 2 hippocampi, 2 anterior cingulate gyri. We have 2 complete and separate emotional systems in each hemisphere, and then 2 thinking modules of cells completely separate cellularly, even though that corpus callosum is having them communicate with one another.

So I want to maybe pull back because I have to, I have to address just really quickly for background for what happened in 1996. Can you, can you maybe just walk people through like this very unique experience that you had?

Yes, I was— I grew up to study the brain because I have a brother diagnosed with schizophrenia. And I realized that he was very different from me. And by our 20s, it became very clear that he had schizophrenia and I would be a neurotypical. So I grew up to study the brain and I became a neuroanatomist. So I study the anatomy of the brain and I'm really a cellular neuroanatomist. So I care about cells, which cells are communicating with which cells, with which chemicals, and in what quantities of those chemicals. And so I was teaching and performing research at Harvard Medical School, and I was 37 years old and I woke up one morning and I was experiencing a major hemorrhage in the left half of my brain. And over the course of 4 hours, I could not walk, talk, read, write, or recall any of my life. I completely lost my left hemisphere, but my right hemisphere, I remained conscious and I remained aware of the kinds of information that the right hemisphere is processing. So what I really did was I lost my relationship with the external world. And the left brain has temporality. It has a past, a present, and a future. And so the emotions in the left limbic system, the left emotional cells, they're going to have all the pain and all the feelings and emotions from the past and all the fears projecting into the unknown of the future. And then the rational thinking tissue of that left hemisphere is all about processing details in the external world. So, and it has language. So it has the ability to, to read, to write, to, to speak, to understand when language is spoken. And there's also a very special group of cells that defines the boundaries of my body. Where do I begin and where do I end? And I know that sounds kind of like woo-woo and wow, but how does your brain know that your face is your face, but the glasses on your face are not you. And it's because you have a group of cells in that left hemisphere. So the left hemisphere is focused in the external world and designed to categorize and organize and process billions of bits of data, details, details, and more details about those details. When the right hemisphere is in the present moment experience, it doesn't have that definition of where do I begin and end. I am a combination of energy and atoms and molecules in cellular form. And I'm this amazing miracle of life made up of some 50 trillion molecular geniuses at one with all that is. And so we have these 2 very beautiful hemispheres that process incoming information in these completely opposite but complementary ways. And then the 2 hemispheres are communicating through the corpus callosum of 3— some 300 million axonal fibers so that each hemisphere is communicating. And I experience myself as a single in the world when ultimately I'm, I'm not. I'm many.

That, that's tremendous. So let's get into this. In the book, you talk about, about the anatomy of choice.

Yes.

On the 4 characters.

Yes.

Maybe you could break that down.

So when I, when I lost, when I experienced that hemorrhage, I lost my left brain. And I gained the experience of the uninhibited present moment experience, which was one of blissful euphoria. And then, but that's a complete— sounds divine, right? It sounds fantastic. And it was fantastic. But it's completely nonfunctional in the external world. So I— we have to have the left hemisphere in order to have a relationship, in order to know people's names, in order to, to keep track of the data file. I am Jill Bolte Taylor. This is my phone number. This is my address. This is my education and all of the— my relationship with that external world. So I lost the left hemisphere and it was fantastic, but I was only 37. And I thought, you know, this is, this is completely nonfunctional way to be. And I love what I have gained, but I really would like to have language again. I really would like to have relationships again. I really would like to be functional again. And so I used my left brain and my understanding of the brain, and I believed in the ability of the brain to recover. And I believed that nothing knew better than my brain what it needed in order for me to recover. So over time, it took 8 years, and eventually I got my left brain back. But what I realized was that my emotions from the past had been completely obliterated. So I don't have that past pain that I used to have. All my childhood pain is gone. Now, you know, who doesn't want that? That was delightful. But at the same time, it's those emotions that add richness to our experience of the present moment. So we want to have that vast array of emotion. And then I had to get the thinking tissue back. So that I could go back into being able to, to be logical and to think methodically and to have language again. But what happened was, as language came back online and my brain defined my boundaries of where I began and where I end again, so that I became a single individual, that part of me wanted to take over and be the boss inside of my head again. And I thought, I'm so grateful you're back. But no, I prefer the value structure of what's going on in the right hemisphere because that's the collective whole. It's based on love and gratitude and joy and being in relation with the world around us, where the left hemisphere is more of the separation. It's competitive. There's the hierarchy. And it's, it's just, it's based more on the values of the external world instead of the right brain and the values of we are this magnificent life form and we are one human family.

That, that's so— I get goosebumps when you say that. I call them truth bumps. Do you remember that as vividly, all, you know, these, all these years later?

I, I remember because I, it When the left brain came back online and it wanted to be the boss, and I had to consciously say, no, we're grateful you're here. But I was willing because I disappeared. The me, the ego, the Jill Bolte Taylor, all of that, that disappeared. And the stress disappeared because that's the stress circuitry. It's our relationship and all the, you know, how do I keep my image? How do I keep my ego? How do I keep my status? How do I keep my this, that, or the other? And in the absence of that, I just got to exist as a loving creature. And that's what I wanted to stay as. So my agreement with myself was that, you know, I could stay in that blissful euphoria for a very long time. I was young, I was athletic, I— my body could have stayed in the condition of a vegetative state. For decades. And I thought, you know, uh, um, uh, I'm gonna be dead soon enough, and I'm going to be connected completely to whatever that is beyond us. Call it the infinite being or the God consciousness or whatever. And it's like, but I still have life. And what can I— what can I What have I gained? You know, often we look at people who have experienced trauma and we see what they have lost. But especially when it comes to the brain, if you remove brain cells, they're inhibiting something. And so my left brain was inhibiting my blissful experience of an untethered soul, if you will, just being alive. And it was like, you know, I pictured a world filled with beautiful peaceful, compassionate, loving people. And I thought if people realized that all they had to do was quiet down that left brain and step into the consciousness of their right brain, that they would experience that bliss and that peace, which is the pause. You know, we are biological creatures and we're not a machine that just goes push, push, push, push, push, push, push, and then it dies and you buy a new one. Right? We're biological creatures. We push and we have to pause. We have to pause. And we push and we have to pause. And it's that left brain that pushes, pushes, pushes, and causes stress, ultimately distress, if it never relaxes and allows the pause and the breath of the expansion of our abilities in that right brain. We are, we have these 2 magnificent hemispheres. We are a whole brain. And unfortunately, Unfortunately, our society has skewed to the values of that left brain. And what we're trying to do is how do we find that peace of the right brain?

I love where you're reaching and then you rest, right? You reach, you recover to be able to restore. So you're not always stretching, you're stabilizing also as well. And that's really powerful. In my book, I had a quote from a French philosopher. And he says, life is the C between B and D. B is birth, D is death, C, life, choice. And so the anatomy of choice—

Wow.

Maybe we could go in. So because you were making conscious choices, right, you could have stayed in this blissful state where you're physically in maybe in a vegetative state, but you made a choice to, to be able to To be able to not only bounce back, but also in a way bounce forward?

Bounce forward. So this is what I learned. When I lost the left brain, I lost that— I lost the thinking tissue and the emotion of the left brain. And when it came back online, each of them, they came back as personalities. They're not just skill sets. They're personalities. You know that when you go to work and you're in your type A++, right? You are processing information. information. You know how you hold your body. You know, you know, I have glasses on my face when I'm being that Character 1. So I call my left thinking brain my Character 1. And I name mine Helen. That's short for Hell on Wheels. She gets it done. And, but it's, it's what I call Character 1 in the brain. And I want everybody to identify that character in yourself and give that personality a name because it has an identity. And if you wipe out those cells, That character's gone. And it's very specific. When I'm organizing and thinking methodically, I have to have that in relationship to having language because it's semantics. It's a process over time. So there's, there's these groups of skill sets that get bundled together in these 4 modules of cells, the 2 thinking and the 2 emotional. So character number 1 left thinking. For me, that's Helen. You go to work, you get it done. So what are you going to name yours?

Who is that for you? So I'm thinking about left brain logical thinking for me. Um, can I pull a Star Trek reference?

Absolutely.

Like, can I choose Data or Spock? Or would that be—

Absolutely. Spock. It's very Spock. It's very to the point. It's very on it. It's very logical, very reasonable. Very present. Yes.

Right.

And characters— go ahead.

Everyone who's listening should also label their left brain thinking.

Absolutely. And, you know, a lot of people name that somebody who influenced them when they were growing up. Maybe that was Dad, maybe that was Mom, maybe that was Uncle Bill, whomever that was, or any other, you know, deviated, uh, derivative of your own name.

Okay.

So, so, but that has a past. So it remembers and it can process information methodically because it has memory of our past. The emotion of our past is Character 2. So Character 1 is, is left thinking. Character 2 is left emotion. And the left emotional cells, you wipe those out, you have no recollection of any of your pain from the past. You also don't have any recollection of your joy. But it's quite a relief to get rid of the pain, I have to say. So anything that has to do with the past— I hold a resentment over something that happened in the past, I feel guilty over something in the past, I feel shame over something in the past. So there's all these, these emotions that are relative to the past. I have fear of the future. So sometime other than right now, Yeah. I'm having this experience. Now, there's also this question about where is happiness? And that happiness is in that left emotional brain. And that is true. But the happy is about completely relevant to the external world. So, I'm happy with the circumstances of the external world. I'm happy. But if I'm not happy, if I have a preconceived notion about what I wanted it to be or what I wanted to feel, and it's not like that, then I'm not happy. So everything about that left emotion, Character 2, is related to the external world. So this part is the part that we get unhappy. We blame others. We call names. We get angry. We get frustrated. We get arrogant. We get jealous. We get, you know, you're getting the picture. So who's that little person inside of you? And I say little person because the cells of the limbic system system never mature. So both of our characters of emotion in the left hemisphere and in the right hemisphere, they're immature. They're our little children. They're our little wounded selves.

Yeah.

So, um, I call mine Abby because Abby, Abby is short for abandoned because the minute I came flying out of my mother's womb, trust me, it was not pleasant. It was shocking. It was a separation. It was, now I'm out of the water and I'm into the air. I'm wailing. I'm being assaulted with light and sound and touch and temperature. And so, so that I call mine Abby, short for abandoned. So what would you like to call your little character?

And I'm curious what everybody else who's listening would label, um, their character too, also as well. Is there an archetype in pop culture that would—

Yes, these are the 4 archetypes of the Jungian, uh, 4 archetypes. They land And they land perfectly on it. I didn't realize that until the material was almost done. And then I thought, oh, I feel really good about that. That helps, you know, make it, you know, helps people make more sense out of it.

So we're in pop culture where Spock, you know, would give a strong identity for character one.

His brother. No, Data's brother, Lore.

Lore. Oh, interesting. Okay.

Lore.

Yeah.

Wasn't he something?

Yeah, I'll play with that.

Yeah, that's something.

That's a character for me.

Yes. Yes. Perfect. Perfect. So you've got Spock and you've got Laura. It's perfect.

Okay.

So, um, okay. So character number 3 is going to be the emotion of the present moment, right brain, right brain emotion. And it's, it's also young and it's childlike and it's filled with wonder and it's filled with curiosity because everything is new because it's in the present moment and it's excited. And it's interested and it's creative. And it doesn't have any of that judgment from the left brain. So it's just in the present moment. It's innovative. It's interested. It's just all these, this, an explosion of experience. And it likes to do it in relationship to other people because we're social. And in the right brain, it's a part of a connective whole. So this is the part of us that likes to be in groups and it likes to do things In groups and in teams, and it likes to play, and it's— and it can be explosive. It can be scary. And it's a— it's an adrenaline junkie because boom, it's like, oh yeah, I want to go parachute, right? I want to— I want that, right? I want that. So what about you? Okay. I call mine— okay. You know Charles Schulz's Peanuts, the Peanuts. So there's a character called Pigpen. Pigpen's walking around in a dust storm, right? And he's, he's really easy to get along with everybody. And, and he's just present, and he's always a mess. And so I call my Character 3 Pigpen.

Pigpen. That's wonderful. And so the, the through line here, left is temporal, where it's something in the past, something in the future. The right is more, is more present and emotional, and really no filter, very Only character 3. Character 3.

Yes.

Correct.

Yeah.

So who would be an equivalent if building out— it doesn't have to be in Star Trek, somebody in the pop culture universe, in, in movie land or in book land, who, who would exemplify?

Tigger.

Tigger. Oh, nice. Okay. See, I could put some bits of— I could see Tigger bouncing around in my mind and he's right in the moment. And he feels whatever's going on right there in the moment, not really thinking about—

He's happy, wants to be with his buddies, you know.

Where Igor would be more—

Exactly.

Would be more depressed because he's thinking about something in the past or something that's worrying the future.

Exactly.

I love this.

Exactly. And, and if you're a Harry Potter fan, then, um, character number 1 is Hermione Because she's always doing her homework, right? She's always doing it. She's always got it. She's learning it. She's teaching everybody. And then character 2 is, um, the blonde fella who— he's just like not very happy with everybody.

Okay.

I don't remember his name. It starts with an M. Your people will tell us. Um, and then character 3 is, uh, playful.

Backaboy or something. Yeah.

It's going to be the twins, the redheaded twins, because they're always up to mischief. And so, so that's character 3. Uh, are you going to name yours separate? Are you going with Tigger?

I love, I love Tigger. I'm going to play with this.

Okay.

We'll do a Tigger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'll go off and you'll say, this is really the best name for that. And that's the thing is that they have identities inside of us and the better we get to know them, then when we go to make a choice, I can say, well, what's my character 1 choosing? What's What's my Character 2 thinking? What's my Character 3 thinking? So Character 4 is the thinking tissue that extends beyond the emotion of the present moment. So it also is the thought connection of consciousness in the present moment with infinite boundary.

Okay.

This is our wisdom. This is our love. This is our support. Our nurturing. This is the part of us that is good with whatever is, is because on that day I did not die. And on that day, I was so filled with gratitude that it didn't matter that I couldn't walk, talk, read, write, or recall any of my life. I was still alive. And I couldn't make any sense out of anything. But that wasn't what was relevant. What was relevant was this gratitude. gratitude that I felt inside my essence of me. I'm alive. I have eyes, I have hands, I have possibility. And, and who knows what I would ever get back. But that wasn't the point. The point was I have a life and I'm able to share this planet with you. And I get to learn from you and share with you and play with you and go do all these things or whatever we do together. Oh my gosh. Just a sense of Yeah, let's, let's go.

Let's go there.

Let's go there. Mine. Okay, so mine is called Queen because she's like queen of the universe. We all are queens and kings of the universe. And Toad because I'm kind of goofy and I live on a boat half a year and that's my lily pad. So mine is Queen Toad and Queen Toad is at one with the nature and the water and the air and the birds and the turtles And the snakes and the people. I mean, Queen Toad is life. And then beyond that, I firmly believe that each of these 4 characters— character 1, left thinking; character 2, left emotion; character 3, right emotion; character 4, right thinking— each of these, we have the power to choose moment by moment. which of those we want to embody.

Right.

And it's beautiful. It's just absolutely beautiful. I have a choice to be miserable right now. I can think thoughts that are going to stimulate that character, and then I'm going to hold it in my body. You're going to see it on my face. You're going to hear it in my voice. Or I can go right into my little Character 3 and be my little Tigger immediately. Or I can go, I can shift into to, you know, just the blessings of all that is. I have that ability to move into that consciousness. And I encourage people, you know, in this book, chapter by chapter by chapter, these are the characteristics. Identify this character in you. Give this identity a name. Who likes this character? Who doesn't get along with this part of you? For each one of those, how much time do you spend being each of these characters? And how is the relationship between these different characters inside of your own head? You know, I mean, people in college, kids in college, you know, part of me, my Character 1 is saying, hey, I gotta go study. And Character 3 is going, let's play some basketball first. Right. You know, I mean, it's all over the map inside of our head, but this is differentiation of who we are at a cellular level. This is the first paradigm that has married psychology with the That's powerful because it's not anecdotal.

It's actually anatomical. There are actually regions of the brain that function.

Exactly.

That's amazing. So who would be— I want to complete this loop— my character 4?

Character 4.

From pop culture, Harry Potter, Star Trek, Star Wars, Winnie the Pooh, whatever, Matrix. Who would— that wisdom?

Um, Dumbledore.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, Dumbledore. So that's for Harry Potter. Who's the wise one? You know, the owl. I mean, animals fall onto these really well. Music falls onto this really well. Now you're going to start hearing songs. I did it my way. You know, it's going to be Character 1. You know, I got a brand new pair of roller skates. You know, I mean, it's kind of Character 3, uh, character 4. What a Wonderful World.

Yeah.

What a Wonderful World. Use music, use music to help you identify with each of these characters. So, so, um, yes, you need a character 4 name.

Yeah.

I mean, I love Dumbledore. Would, um, would someone like a Yoda or—

Yes. Perfect. That's Yoda. It's perfect.

Amazing. This is so fun because I can actually put these 4 characters and do a little like tea party in my mind.

Exactly.

And explore.

Exactly. And that's the thing. After, after you learn your 4 characters, then it's, it's training yourself to have what I call a brain huddle. And that's when your brain characters all come together. I mean, it could be in this moment. Which character am I being right now? Well, you're letting me be a whole lot of 3 and a whole lot of 1, right? And so I'm bouncing back and forth, and these are, you know, I'm mostly a 3 and I have great 1 skills. And we all have all 4 of these, and we can develop them so that we do— at any moment, we have the power to choose. So let's say you walk into a room and clearly there is a couple there and they have been fighting, right? You walk in on this and your right brain is open. It has no boundaries. It's intuitive. Intuition is putting together all the big pieces of the puzzle and saying it all matches or it doesn't, making an assessment. So you walk in, your right brain says, oh, I just walked in a fight. So Character 1 comes in and says, okay. So now it's huddle time, right? Because you're making a decision about what am I going to choose to say or do, right? So Character 1 says, well, Should we offer to try to help or to try to fix something, or should we leave? Right? So Character 1's online making some decisions. Character 3 is thinking, well, I could lighten it up with a little humor and bring some joy in and just kind of like let it pass by nonchalantly so that they're not embarrassed. Character 4 is just saying, you know, just read their body language, be present, let them choose. Let them lead because they will choose or do something and then I can respond. Or Character 2 can come in and say, damn, you know, you're in a bad mood. I didn't want you to be in a bad mood because I wanted to go fishing and now we got to deal with this crap again. And you people, you got to figure it out. So each of those 4 characters is in huddle making a choice of how do I really want to respond? And then you pay attention to, well, how do I respond naturally? And is that Is that what I really want to do? So, whole brain living is just owning all your power. I mean, this is what we are. And wow, from an anatomical perspective, use that whole brain, the power of choice and the 4 characters, the anatomy of choice and the 4 characters that drive our life. And they don't have to be, you know, who are you giving the microphone to? Who's driving the boat? us. That, that we get to choose.

Yeah.

I believe this self-awareness, you know, having the curiosity to know ourself and then the courage to be ourself is part of the human process. And this allows people flexibility without judgment, right? They could pop from, from each of these different characters, see the point of view where sometimes they feel a little stuck, right? Because maybe one of them is a little bit more sedated or it's not Not as balanced or in harmony.

Or it's receiving judgment from another character. I mean, some people— how many people say, oh, I'm not creative? And it's like, okay, well, that's your Character 1 making that harsh judgment. And so, you know, maybe you could, could say thank you, step aside, I'm gonna go try, I'm gonna go try. I'm gonna set you right there. And, and, you know, the whole thing is also, um, you know, when you think about addiction Addictions are that little character two. It's the insular cortex in that left hemisphere, and those cells crave. And so, in that craving come these addictions, whatever it is we're addicted to. And if we want to get out of an addiction, we have to have that character two involved in the recovery process, or the one's going to come in and it say, "I'm going to jump through the hoops and I'm going to look like I'm recovered," but I'm not really recovered unless I really let that character two. feel and process. And we come in and we love that character. So, you know, the brain, we are this absolutely beautiful, magnificent entity. You know, I look at my personal journey of being a neuroanatomist at Harvard, losing half my brain, finding this right brain, rebuilding the left brain, and realizing— because I've had over 300,000 people come to me since that TED Talk and say, how do I do that? We have the power to choose moment by moment. Well, you did it with a stroke. How do I do it? And I believe, I believe this is, this is how we do it. We train ourselves to know those characters, and we embody them.

You put that whole experience in your first, in your first book, My Stroke-Induced Insights. So we'll link to your book, both of your books, and also your TED Talk, which has been seen by tens of millions of individuals. It's like one of the first viral TED videos.

It was the first to go viral.

Yeah.

So we'll put that all in the show notes at jimkwik.com/notes.

I also recommend everyone go— if you're listening to this on Spotify or iTunes, that's wonderful. You know, that's where we keep it to 20 minutes, bite-sized brain hacks for busy people who want to, you know, be able to learn faster, get ahead. Also watch it on YouTube because that's where we We put the full uncut version. So make sure you see that. You'll want to trust me. If you're just listening to this, you'll want to watch this video because there's so many brain gems here. Because really, if you're willing to explore what is going inside this here in your head— I'm pointing to my head for those listening—

Yeah.

If you do that on a regular basis, you know, your life, as you talk about your relationships, the whole world change. You change this, you change everything. And like you say in the book, you have to own— you own your power, right, by tapping into the greatest strength, which is the power of the human brain, and spend time to get to know it, right? This is, as you talk about, the most powerful ally in creating the life you desire and the life that you really deserve. Dr. Taylor, where can people find out more about the book? You know, where do you recommend they go? How do they see it?

It's on Amazon, but drjilltaylor.com has a landing page that can shift you there. And, you know, it is, we are absolutely beautiful. And our power is in our brain. And I believe the evolution of the brain is whole brain living. So, you know, it's a choice.

Yeah. And you could choose who and how you want to be in every moment of life. I recommend, I would challenge everyone who's listening to take a screenshot here. Tag Dr. Taylor, tag myself on social media, because one of the fastest ways and best ways to learn something is by teaching it to somebody else. You know, we call it the explanation effect. And when you take a screenshot, tag us both in there so we get to see it. I'd love for everybody to share their 4 characters.

I would love to hear their names.

Yes.

What are—

who—

what have you named your 4 characters? And maybe even which one do you feel like is the loudest?

Yes.

Yes.

That's there, and maybe one that you want further develop, because it's all about discovering and developing, right? And so please share that in your post and tag us so we get to see it. And I'll actually repost some of my favorites. And I'll actually gift a copy of Whole Brain Living to somebody in our community just as a thank you for showing up and playing full out. But Dr. Teal, thank you so much for being on our show.

Thank you, Jim. You know, you're— I mean, you You got brains on your chest, you got brains on the wall behind you, you got your own logo of Whole Brain. I love it. I'm so grateful. So thank you. It's been delightful.

One of the things, when, when we met, um, we've met a couple times, but like 10 years ago, you gave me this, uh, this pin that I still have.

I love that. Good.

And I, and I still cherish it because I feel like what people see, they take care of. And they see their skin or their hair or their car or their clothes, and they take care of it because it's their But we don't see the thing that controls everything. And that's why I always have a brain on my chest, because that's to remind people to love their brain and take care of it.

I love it. I love it. So from my 4 to your 4, thank you. I'm very grateful.

Yes, thank you so much again. And everybody, again, Whole Brain Living, it's available now. And make sure you take a screenshot of this episode and share it with your friends, your family, your followers. So you get to share. And we want to know again, what have you named your 4 characters and which one's most pronounced and which one's a little bit sedated and you want to develop and give it even a greater voice. And so congratulations on this brand new book. And, um, yeah, we'll, we'll have you on the show again soon.

Perfect. Thanks so much, Jim. It's good to see you. See ya.

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