Joe Apfelbaum and Oleg Moskalensky

at a, uh, at a Devin Sizemore connection blitz. And he sent me this link and I'm like, what's this link? What's this i-con.live link? And all of a sudden I show up and I'm in this little house. I'm in this little house with him over here. And I'm thinking to myself, what is this house? I was like, I gotta show this to people. Um, so you built this app yourself?

Yeah. So I built this app and as you can see, it's got my logo at the top. And it's got— it's a link to my website. So in other words, all of these apps, the way when people use them, you have host and the guest, only 2 people. It's specifically for one-on-ones. And so you can— people can easily go to your website. It's got some basic controls on the bottom, you know, screen share, things like that, but nothing else. And so you can have different backgrounds. It even has a music option which you don't see, where it plays music until the guest shows up.

What did you— what did you build this with? Did you build this with Lovable?

No, no, this was built using Claude. And, uh, that's me orchestrating Claude.

So you're using Claude Code?

I wasn't using Claude Code at the time, I was just using regular Claude. But yeah.

You built this using regular Claude and then you— what'd you build it in, React?

This is a React application, yes.

And, um, and how did you get the streaming going? Like, what's the— what's— what server is that?

Do you know the streaming part is— I, you know, to be honest, I think it's using WebRTC. That's the mechanics behind it. But again, I was just telling Claude what I wanted done and it did it.

So you're not even paying for a server? Are you hosting it on Vercel?

I'm hosting it on my own server.

Oh, like a VPS or something?

Correct.

Okay. So you got yourself a little VPS. You gave Claude explained to you what to do. You uploaded the React files, you set up your VPS. No, no, no.

I explained to it what to do. It didn't explain to me what to do.

Oh, got it. Got it. Got it. And so you told it what to do and it went and it deployed on your own VPS or you had to deploy it?

I have the thing deployed on the server, obviously, otherwise it wouldn't be running. And it's taking care of it.

Okay. Okay. Okay. So, um, wow, that's pretty cool. So when I Google your name, the first thing that comes up is your LinkedIn. That's the first thing that comes up. And I look at your LinkedIn, you have 1,757 people that are connected to you on LinkedIn. And it says that you help people that are 5 to 25 people turn operational chaos into competitive advantage through practical AI and custom software solutions. So this is an example of one of the software solutions that you built that helps people, helps you be able to have conversations with people.

Correct.

Does this also record the conversation?

It can, yeah. As a host, like I said, you have host and guest. Host can record the conversation as an audio file. So I can turn on recording right now and it will record an audio file.

So if I click on this little chat icon here, I can type a message, hi.

Yeah.

And you got that message?

And my icon, the same icon on my end, turns orange. So I know that you typed something. And if I click on it, I can see it and then I can type in something else. And then at the end of the session, you can save this.

Oh my God. So if I click share screen, I can actually share my entire screen with you. How crazy is that? Can I try that?

Absolutely.

Oh my God. I just, I just shared my, I just shared my screen with you.

Yeah, I can see it. And you don't need any permissions, you know, give me permissions to share. You want to share?

Sure. Okay. So, so I just shared my screen. Does it— oh, it says stop sharing here. Okay, cool. Wow. You built a share, a screen share thing here.

Yeah, so you can play, you know, you can play some— somebody, a presentation, video, whatever you want to do.

Hang on, is it sharing sound too, or is it a separate thing to share sound?

It's not, it shares the screen only. It says—

Okay, okay, okay. You haven't set up share sound technology?

No, no, this is a lot more consuming. As you can see, the usual quality of video and audio on this thing is better than, you know, things like Google Meet.

Yeah, 100%.

And that's, that's the reason I don't want bandwidth to be killed by something like this. I, I talk— I have a friend from childhood who lives in Australia, and we like had an hour and a half conversation together last weekend, and it's awesome. It's like the guy's next room in terms of video and audio.

Wow.

That's what I want.

I love what— I love what you built. I built a little app that sits here on the side of LinkedIn, so I'm going to press Save Profile. So I take your profile, I save it on the side here, you see?

Yeah.

And then if I want to research you, I have 7 different agents that will research everything there is to know about you all over the internet.

Okay.

I have Perplexity, I have Grok, I have Claude, I have ChatGPT, I have everything. Excellent. Excellent. And it finds your YouTube videos, it finds your website, it literally finds everything there is to know about you. It even finds your school profile over here. Um, I'm gonna go here and just kind of hit split view just so I could find— oh, so you have your own little community here.

Yeah, I'm not— I actually stopped using it, but, uh, I, at one point I started. I might restart it. We'll see.

Okay.

But yeah.

Okay. So you have, you have your little school community. Um, you have, um, and I see everything that you're doing here. What's cool about this is that I can take this, these 15 different websites, and then I can put it into the notes here and kind of store it here inside your account. So every time I pull up your profile, it gives me all this information. And if I want to see if you posted, I push another button and then it kind of goes ahead and loads up all of your recent posts on LinkedIn. So I see you posted 22 hours ago, and if I want to comment on this post, Mm-hmm. It'll go ahead and just boom, the comment appears. You see that?

Wonderful. Yep.

Great insights, Oleg. So we built this technology. We have 23,000 people in 40 countries around the world using this.

Mm-hmm.

And we help people be able to leverage LinkedIn and we teach them how to use LinkedIn and we build relationships with them. So if I wanna connect with you now, I can send you a connection request here, but often I won't know what to say.

Right.

But Evvy AI knows exactly what to say. and it'll go ahead and draft it, or I can talk to it. I can say something like, Oleg, it was great chatting with you today. I appreciate you very much, and I'm looking forward to connecting if you want to connect. And then if I press this over here, I can just modify it a little bit if it didn't get all the words right. And then I press send.

Perfect.

And I just sent you a connection request. So I have unlimited voice-to-text here, and I have the ability to connect, to message, to comment, to write posts. I even recently draft— created an image of myself at the St. Patrick's Day Parade because I didn't have the time to go and I really wanted to go. So I uploaded my image to Evvy AI. I said, make this man dancing at the St. Patty's Day Parade. And thousands of people saw that post that I posted on LinkedIn.

Awesome. So, and now I don't believe you when you said you didn't go. Clearly you went.

Clearly I went. I'm right over here. You see 2,200 people noticed that I went to the St. Patty's Day Parade and I have a big gold chain called Mojo on me.

Exactly.

And we're live right now. You see that? We're live on LinkedIn right now. As you can see, this is us being live on LinkedIn. We're live in many different places. But the beauty is for me, building relationships with people and getting them, getting to know them is really paramount. So I'm going to stop sharing my screen for a second and bring you back front and center here. It's really paramount. And the beauty is that, oh my God, I could zoom in. I'm zooming in and It keeps the quality high on the screen. Did you know you can zoom in? I'm at 200% now and you'll see it on YouTube or Facebook, whatever. We're filling up the whole screen, me and you. It was tiny in the middle, but then I zoomed in and the quality stays.

Yeah, exactly. That was— yeah, I did. That's exactly— that's how I do it. I usually using with the scroller, Control and scroller on the mouse.

Yeah, that's what I did.

Yeah, increase the size. Yeah.

Oh, and it looks like you sent me a message here. I'm clicking on the little orange thing. Oh my God, I'm just gonna make smiley face.

Yeah, and every, every session when people run this thing, every session shows different background. The idea is to just, you know, mix it up a little bit. And my favorite deal is the music option, because what happens is I actually was playing music while you were not there yet, and then as soon as you showed up, it kills the music. That's how I know you're in the room.

Wow, that is kind of reverse notification.

I'm a big music fan, so basically this way I put my favorite tunes that play in that thing.

Do you have a separate— do you have a separate ID number for each person?

Yeah.

Okay.

I have a license for each person. Yeah, you have the guests like you don't have to have anything. You just— I get you a link, you clicked on the link, that's it. You see, you didn't have to set up any accounts, you didn't have to download or install anything. Nothing. You just clicked on my link first time, don't even know what this is, and you're in. So that's, that's the simplicity I wanted to have in this app. I didn't want to have all this minutiae.

Hang on, does it, does it work on my cell?

It will work on your, uh, on the mobile as well. I just made some changes and I haven't tested yet the mobile part.

I'll help you test it. I, I'm a nice guy. I'm a very nice guy. Let's see if I can bust it open. Let me see, I'm gonna write Um, joelinkedin.com, press join session, enable camera and mic, allow all visiting the site. Let's see what happens. Okay, so now it shows you that there's someone waiting?

No, it shows me that you're in. Like I said, the way it's set up, it's supposed to be one-on-one. So as soon as somebody else comes in on the same link, then it kills the other person and does that. It never happens. It only happens when you do it the first time.

No, but I see you on both.

I know, the idea being— but am I moving on the second or not?

Yeah, on both.

I'm moving. Okay, that's fine.

I see you on both and I see myself on both at the same time.

I never tried using this, but that's cool.

Hang on, maybe, maybe I can add you from a third. I could add you from my laptop and see what happens.

Okay, let me explain though how this thing works. The idea is you cannot set up this meeting initially from, uh, in the calendar normally with a link. There is no link until I actually get into the room. As a host. When I get in the room, that's when I get the link and I can share it with you. So it's much more secure that way.

Which camera are you seeing? Are you seeing my computer camera? Are you seeing my— are you seeing my phone camera?

I can't— I mean, I can't tell which camera. I can just— I mean, I can see, obviously. I don't know from which it's coming from. Yeah, you're moving.

Are you seeing total green or are you seeing green and yellow?

Green and yellow.

Okay, so green and yellow. So before you saw total green, now you see green and yellow. Yeah, so I'm still— I'm— so could be that Jen is still watching.

Yeah, I don't think so because—

yeah, hang on a second, let me just see. Jen, if you're still watching— Jen, Jen, Jen, let me know on WhatsApp that you're watching. Jen, let me know WhatsApp that you're watching, please.

Actually, no, you know what, because you were able to get from different devices, I think you're right. I think she is watching.

That is incredible. Hang on a second, I'm gonna click on this. But that, that's good because that maybe I want that. Hang on a second.

Yeah, right, exactly.

I'm looking— oh, live. Hang on a second. Let me see here. Click live. I'm going to say Joe Laptop. Joe Laptop session. Enable camera. Allow.

Yeah, that's the only thing it asks.

Oh, so I got 3. I got 3. I got 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3. I'm so excited. Oh, man. Okay, so you know that is amazing. So you can have unlimited amount of people, but you only see one person.

Correct. You can have a limited amount. Well, people coming in, you know, I yeah, right. You can have a limited number.

So the next person, you don't even know. You don't even know who's watching. But what's cool about it is you you should have an IP to see who's watching, like for yourself in the control panel. You should have a little show, like you know with with all the information of what browser they're in. What device they're using and whatever. And just on the bottom, just showing you how many people are actually watching right now. Maybe even have a counter for yourself so you know who's watching.

Joe, you understand you discovered a new feature I didn't even know I had in the app.

That's why I'm doing this. I'm a hacker. I love this. Okay, so hang on. So if I leave from the laptop, I'm gonna go ahead and close the laptop one. Did you lose me completely?

Yeah, now you froze.

Now I froze. But can you hear me? Hang on. So I'm going to refresh here. Hang on. I'll refresh here. Enable camera mic. Mic check, 1, 2. Mic check, 1, 2. Yeah.

It told me that you left the meeting and I said continue anyway. So when you leave like this, yeah, it basically kills your, that particular session. As long as I'm as a host in the room, you can keep coming back with the same link. If I leave, we're done. The link is dead.

Right, right, right, right, right, right. But I'm still, I'm still on over here, but you don't see this one. You see the computer all green now, right?

I see the computer and yeah, yeah, I see all green. Correct.

Right, right. But I see you here. Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky, sneaky. This is cool.

Very nice.

This is cool. Are you licensing this technology at all?

I am. Yeah, you can buy it right now.

Really? How much do you charge?

I'm charging, uh, I believe it's, uh, 2, 2 levels. $36, then you get a bunch of backgrounds, but you don't get to maintain them and change them. And music, same thing, you get it, but you know, that's it. Or $54, which is, uh, you get to change backgrounds and music and as you see fit.

And is that for a month?

No, one-time license.

Oh, you just— one-time lifetime license?

Yes.

That's good.

Yeah, it's pretty affordable.

It's very affordable. And you get— could you get a custom domain?

No, right now it's set up so, yeah, you still run the same URL I give you with the link.

What can— if I want a custom domain, can you arrange that?

Um, it's a question. Yeah, probably.

Think about it, think about it, because I could just set— I could just set meetjoe.evi.ai and just forward it to ION. And as long as you accept the— as long as you accept the CNAME, we're good to go, right?

Yeah. And another interesting thing is in terms of integration Uh, I integrated into my CRM. I have a CRM called CRM Machine, and, uh, I integrate into it so you can actually make calls directly. If you have a license, you can make them directly from there. And right now I'm getting, uh, I'm getting a website redone for a network called I Refuse to Fail Partnership. And so they're going to have also ability to actually use ICON directly from the network. And so the idea being that you could potentially, like in the app you showed me, your app, you can put in, you know, one-on-one call, and when you click on it, it'll go ahead and launch ICON, and it'll actually create the key and everything else. But the beauty is you still need to let the other person know. So if you're doing it from like LinkedIn, you can just drop right into the chat whatever the current link is to be able to— for people to communicate, and then you can get with somebody into ICON that easily right from your app. You see what I'm saying?

Yeah, no, 100%. I see exactly what you're saying. I love that you could do it from the cell phone. I love that you could share your screen. I love that you have chat. I love that you can customize it. I love the lifetime access model. So it's absolutely— because a lot of people are moving towards that. They just want to pay for lifetime access. And for you, as long as it works on the same server, what do you care? You just pay for a license and you're good to go.

Correct.

Right. And you're not, you're not using any server resources because it's my computer to your computer. That's how it works, right?

Correct.

Wow. The server just makes the connection and once the connection's made, you leave it alone.

Yeah. Exactly. And the same thing with streams. The stream is coming anyway. That's how recording works. That's why I didn't do the video recording, because I didn't want the experience to be lowered, you know, in terms of the bandwidth to basically hog the computer where it barely moves and, you know, the quality of the video audio is diminished. I didn't want any of that, but I wanted to be able to record.

Is this how Omegle works? Omegle?

I have no idea. So the way, the way I have it set up with recording, it records the audio stream on the fly if I turn the option on. Okay, just clicking the button. Then what happens is I put it in a folder, like I have a folder called Icon Recordings. And so when I do that, I have an automation set up that grabs anything new in that folder and it converts it to text and it generates a nice AI report and emails it to me. So all I have to do is basically record, click on record, and then the ones actually— the only reason it doesn't do the whole thing automatically is because I don't want every recording to automatically do the conversion and send me an email. But the ones that are important, I just drop them into this folder. Boom. It automatically sends me this report in minutes. It works really, really well in terms of that.

Love that. Love that. Really, really smart. Very smart.

Thank you, Joe.

Congratulations on building this.

Thank you. Well, you haven't seen my PCSFX yet. You want me to show you that?

Yeah. Show me your PCSFX. I'm glad that we're recording this also live on YouTube and Facebook and everywhere. Because you can use this as an example to show people exactly what it is. You know, I, I showed you my technology. I showed you the way I saved you, the way I organized you, the way I researched you, the way I commented on your post. I showed you the way I created an image. Um, and so this is very, this is great technology, Oleg. I think you would, you would benefit from more people knowing about this.

I totally agree. Okay, here we go. Uh, let me do the share screen real quick.

I'm curious to know how that looks on my end. Is it just going to come in your little window?

No, it's going to be full screen.

Oh wow.

If it's a little window, that's useless for chat. It's okay, but not for this kind of stuff. You want to see the full screen anyway. So this is, uh, you know, PCSFX. Looks a little— at first it looks kind of a little scary, but you know, it's really simple actually. So what you can do with this thing is you can do— it's basically, it's an effects program for So I can click here where it says I feel lucky, and it's gonna use AI to create some sort of image for me. Okay.

Based on what?

Based on nothing. As you can see, I told it nothing. And so I just said, do whatever you're gonna do. Give me a nice looking image of any kind of topic. I'm just saying it's one of the— it's why— that's why it's called I feel lucky. The idea being kind of like Google's deal with when they had I feel lucky option. Yeah. That's the whole idea here. But you can also load the images by clicking and load specific image. You can also do, uh, paste.

Why is it taking so long to generate an image? What are you using?

Because it's trying to use AI and it's coming up with something that looks that compelling. You see how cool it looks?

Okay.

Okay, so let's, let's, let's do, uh, let's do, um, well, you know what, we'll do something else because I'm talking to you. Let's, let's grab— let me grab an image of you. Just one second. Give me your best smile. And we're gonna go ahead and say, come on.

So you built this technology. Is that related to this or that's unrelated technology?

This is completely unrelated technology. And now my Snagit is having a cow.

So you just use Snip, do Windows, press Windows.

Yeah, one second.

My Snagit crashes all the time.

So yeah, so let's use that and let's get Joe right here. Let's see.

Have you ever tried to build more than one person coming into the RCS? Does it make a difference how many people come in?

No, I never have more than one. This is the first time ever I'm having more than one person coming into the same meeting.

No, but I'm curious to know if you could have multiple boxes if you sent somebody multiple codes. You know what I mean? Like if you had multiple people, could you have multiple boxes appear?

I haven't even thought about this until you were just talking, until we met today. So I have to think about this. But anyway, let me just show you, uh, this thing. Let's do share screen real quick. So this, Joe, here is PCSFX with you in it. So I hit Ctrl+V to paste it. Okay, there's you. Okay, so now what I can do, I can do things like this. I can click on one of my favorite Russian dudes.

Okay, so that, that basically takes the images, uploads it to AI, and applies a prompt to it.

And then it applies the prompt to it, correct. And then, and I have like over 60 different effects. Okay. As you can see, it's not instantaneous because that's how AI works. But at the same time, some of the results that you get there— and right now it's gonna be going definitely slower because we're in the middle of a conversation.

Are you using Nano Banana or are you using something else?

It's using Nano Banana. Correct. So what I can do is I can do—

So you're paying like $0.25 every time you do it?

Not $0.25, but whatever they charge normally. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, they have to pay. I mean, it's fine. But anyway, just don't worry about that. Pay attention to what it does. Okay, so that's one thing. So I can take that, then I can go ahead and swap this image with, with the origin, and I can say, why don't you give me this image engraved on metal? And so the idea is you can compound effects this way. When you can swap them like this, you compound effects. But you can see even this alone looks pretty compelling. Okay, as this image, you can see, you can— this is something you can hang on the wall or put on your desk. It's a super nice looking image of you. You see that?

Yeah, because you, you took the image and you applied a very, very nice prompt to it and you clicked a button and it converted it. Right.

So that's the idea of this program. It doesn't do any magic. It basically uses AI to come up with some of these effects that I like. So here is what if I dropped it on a metallic surface, look like this. But let's say we wanted to use something else. Let's say we want to do a dramatic thing. We do a stone sculpture of you.

So you had to sit down and come up with each one of these prompts and put them into the system and come up with the ideas for the drawings?

That part is classified, but okay, let's assume that that's what it was.

Of course, it's so classified.

And there you are in stone. Wow.

Yeah, no, it's really cool. So you have— what is—

what is— check this out.

What is—

I can swap it again. I can say, do me fart.

Right. And does it have the original image as a reference as well?

No, it's not going to be the original. It's going to be now— well, what's now original is your stone version.

Right. But what I'm saying is what I would do, what I would do is I would keep that original image and send it both to both to Nano Banana so that it understands what it did. Do you get what I'm saying? It's fine to do it this way, but I would send both in. so that it doesn't lose character consistency?

No, it pretty much doesn't anyway. It doesn't the way it is. So there you go. Look at the image of the leaf there.

Love it.

Love it.

And what does it say? Leonhard Afremov? What does that mean?

Afremov is the guy who designed this initially. This initial design I applied is by—

Oh, got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it.

Good stuff. And then I can save it.

Right. And you have it.

And of course, I can post it or whatever.

Right, exactly.

But it's over 60 effects.

What happens if you click on All? All has all of them?

All just shows— if you have categories, it just shows subset of those 60, just so it's easier to deal with.

What does Backgrounds do? You can also search for it. What does Backgrounds do?

Okay, you'll use Backgrounds for the backgrounds. So Background, we can go and say, okay, let's use, uh, let's, uh, go to Background.

If you click on Backgrounds, you only have 3?

Yeah.

Okay, so—

Which one do you want to see?

Let's see smart background. So it'll have that same stone thing. It'll just delete the chair and all the other stuff and the lighthouse.

No, it's actually every time you generate something, it's different. Even if you use the same effect, it's going to be slightly different.

If you click history, if you click Afrav style, does that add it to the original? If you go to the bottom and click history and you click—

No, what happens here is just the last 4 effects you used, you can do them again. There's a feature here called let's do that again, which redoes this last effect, just creates It's a different version.

But what about, what about on the bottom? If you click on Alfred style, does it use— oh, uses that style again. Yeah, but it's not, but it's not going to load that original file in there. The file's gone.

Well, I mean, I can put it back in again, obviously, since I have it.

You'd have to find it. You'd have to find it, but there's no history.

It's in my clipboard. I can just hit Ctrl+V.

Right, right, right, right, right, right. What I'm saying is that other image, the, the first image that you did is gone now. If you didn't download it, it's gone.

Right.

You're not sitting there saving every single thing to your server.

No, but I can hit Ctrl+V and it's going to be back again. You see this?

Right, right, right, right, right.

So, you know, it's the images and the code.

But then you have to go find that other artistic thing for Al Frommer.

Right. If I wanted to save it, I could save it. I don't have to save anything it generates. If I want, I can save it. And also it has ability, one last thing I'm going to show you, is ability to do auto effects, as it's called, and what auto and combo effects. And basically what it means is, means if I click on auto effects, I can select random and I can select, let's say, let's do— so it's quicker— 3, let's do 4, 4 deals. And we do the evolve start. So as we're sitting and talking, it's going to go through 4 different iterations swapping each result, and then we're going to have the end result, which automatically—

What do you mean swapping each result? How—

where did you start doing this? This thing I showed you before, you can swap original with the Uh, results.

It's gonna go back automatically.

This is automation, but see, it runs automatically. It saves the intermediates, as you can see there, but it keeps going. I don't have to do anything. I don't have to wait for it, but it's gonna create— like, this is a— looks like it applied the Picasso style. You can kind of see a little bit of what it does, but it saves them.

It's picking random ones?

It's picking random, but you can select a specific one X number of times. Again, every iteration of the same effect will be different, but you can do either a particular Or you can do, uh, random. I usually like random because I never know what I'm gonna get. So that's one, that's the, the, uh, auto effects. But the combo, which I'm going to show you next, and this will be the last thing I'll show you, the combo allows you to actually specifically intentionally specify, I want you to do effect number 1.

So you, you build this for people? Somebody wanted you to build this for them, you can build this? Oh, you built this for someone or you built this for yourself?

No, myself. It is available for sale, but yeah, I built it for myself.

What do you mean available?

I mean, I've been developing software for decades. See, right now with AI, I can do—

What do you charge an hour for someone to talk to you? If like I have somebody watching right now and they want to talk to you to kind of pick your brain.

In terms of just picking my brain for half an hour, I don't charge anything.

But if somebody wants to— if somebody's like, okay, I want 2, 3 hours of your time. What do you charge for your time?

Typically, it's $100 an hour.

Okay, that's reasonable. And where does somebody go to buy your time from you? Like, how do you do that?

The way— there's a couple of things. There's a service I offer called IT in a Box, where basically, because I'm fairly knowledgeable about pretty much all things IT to a degree, I can— small businesses don't have IT departments, not because they don't need them, they just can't afford them. So I come in as their IT department, if you will, I do consulting, I do development, I do web stuff, all the stuff that they need as if they had an IT department. So that's one way.

I love that.

There's a fixed cost per month, uh, and, and then, you know, they can buy as much of it as, or little as they want, and they, they can cancel anytime. The other way would be based on the project. So, and of course I can't specify the project price until—

Because you don't know. But if you, if you had to spend 10,000 hours with someone, you'd, you'd charge them a million bucks or whatever.

Right. But yeah, it's not— no, it's gonna be a lot cheaper than that. But yeah, that's the idea. So anyway, over here, let me show you the custom deal. So the custom thing has got all the effects. So you can specify which ones you want— number 1, number 2, number 3, up to 10 effects. Then you can store them in, in, uh, the— these storage places, if you will. Each is based on the keystroke. So like number 2 here, for example, if I wanted to do number 2 I can just be here, I hit number 2 on my keyboard, no hands, and, uh, and then we're gonna go ahead and do this thing automatically 4 times with these specific effects that were pretty fun.

That's cool. And API key means you could use anybody's API key to do this?

You can use your— you need your own API key and you need my license to run this, but other than that, yeah, that's it.

Wow.

And this thing is right now, it's only $24 a month, cancelable anytime.

$24 a month to use your API key?

To use their API key, but to use my license.

To use your license. Got it.

Yeah, the idea being, like you said, are you paying 25 cents a deal? Yeah, I have to pay for it, so I can't just let people pay one time. For ICON, the way it works is I don't have to pay all the time. So since I don't have to pay all the time, you know, they can buy it as a lifetime.

Yeah, but right now the automations, you have to pay for the automations to process the API.

Correct. You have a bandwidth, not just automation, but everything this program does is all based on API calls.

So, right, every API call costs you money, so that's why you charge $24 a month for it.

Got it. Correct. Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah, which means, which means you can generate as many of these things as you can generate, but obviously, you know, so I tell some people, you know, you can buy it, run, you know, create a bunch of images you need for one month. It only costs you $24. You're never going to buy this level of images in terms of these capabilities. I mean, I, I'm horrible at creating art, but this thing creates some amazing, amazing freaking—

Wow, it has my logo in there.

It has your— yeah, this is your— this is the same from the same image. You just created the deal with multiple iterations. You turn into something that looks like this because it uses stone, it uses the— there's a bunch of different effects that it used. But if I go back to my, uh, downloads folder and we refresh it to see what it did before, we have image that looks like this, uh, right there. So that's, you know, kind of a funky effect. You can barely tell it's you, but I mean, it's definitely you. Then you have the image that looks like that, which is a kind of black and white version of this. Then you have the image with the Canadian groove right there, and it's got a bunch of different effects. You see some transparency. I mean, it's, it's, uh, To me, it's pretty amazing what it does. And then we have this image here we saved.

Wow.

And then we have this image here we saved too from this. So this is all from the same, that same little dinky image having, you know, these different uses. But you can create them. Some of the stuff I created, like this is this, uh, Ifat Cohen on LinkedIn. I did her with the leaf. See, it's, it's every time it's different. It looks like a different leaf compared to your leaf. Then you have some effects you can do that look like, uh, Uh, I keep showing you the leaves. This is a multiple combined with stained glass and all kinds of stuff. And you can see you can get really, really elaborate. But you can do obviously more than just that. Like, uh, these cards— well, these cards were that. This is a guy from LinkedIn. This is what I did for, uh, March 8th. Look at this. I mean, is this gorgeous or what?

It's really nice. So you took an original flower from somewhere?

No, no, no, no. This was totally— this is full. I also have a feature there which I don't know if you saw, not called I feel lucky. I'm sorry, I feel lucky, called Custom Prompt. And you can just prompt it whatever you want. And you can— when you, when you do a custom prompt, you have 2 options. You can either type in whatever you want, it'll do it, but you can also have a little checkbox that says use original image as reference. So I can actually use that.

And so that's what you did, you used an original image and you told it what to write on there?

No, I didn't. I just did the, uh, the flower deal without that, and I did a bunch of effects. Prehistoric creature on Mars, whatever. Let's say we do something like this, but I'm going to use you as a reference. Let's see what it does. So this is the custom prompt deal. And, uh, no, I don't want to do that. And then, uh, where were we here? And then in terms of other, uh, effects here, let's see. It looks kind of cool. You can do— I mean, there's me, you know, there is a painting on— you can do you see a picture and then you can actually turn it into a painting on, on hand like that.

Wow, that's, that's one of your features?

Yeah, yeah, the paint on hand is one of the features. And as you can see, I love the leaves. There's another painting on hand, uh, it looks like that, you know. So it tries to do the best it can to kind of fit within the fingers and whatever image you supply. So it's kind of a handy deal. And, uh, you know, you can do more when you do multiple things. You can come up with things that look like like a museum piece practically. Yeah, a lot of these things, you know, you can just basically do, uh, and, uh, blow them up a little bit and put them on the wall somewhere. I mean, they look good enough to use for that kind of purpose. So you can do things with like DALL-E, and so it comes up looking with things like that.

Wow.

You know, and then, and then like I said, especially when you combine effects, I mean, just on and on, it's a never-ending story just how cool it can be, uh, And you also have ability to create logos using it.

It's like Higgs field, but to the next level.

Kind of, yeah. Yeah. So this is what it did with this dinosaur deal on the planet creature, but it didn't seem like it used you in any way, shape, or form, unless it's trying to imply that you're this dinosaur. I'm just kidding. Anyway, that's basically— so PCSFX. That's PCSFX in a nutshell in terms of what it does. And, uh, you know, with the automations, everything else, it's really— I love using it. I use it daily.

I don't— I can tell it's a really, really smart way of— it's a really smart tool. Well done. What other tools did you build?

And then we've got the, uh, let's do a holiday theme. The holiday theme is a little screwed up. I need to reprogram it a little bit.

You just have to get a better prompt. That's all.

No, I know.

I know.

I'm just saying it's not— I think right now we're trying to come up with—

If you need help with the prompts, I wrote a book called High Energy Prompting, teaching people how to prompt. So I'm very— I'm a prompt engineer myself. So if you need help with a prompt, I'm happy to help you.

I appreciate it. So, but anyway, the idea is like right now it should be coming up with—

it should be coming up with passwords. What other apps have you built?

So I built one called CR Machine. Yes, he is doing the leaves thing, which is pretty cool. Uh, I built one called CR Machine, which is basically a CRM. CRM, that stands for—

You want to show it to me?

And you want to see the CR Machine?

Okay, why not?

Let me see.

Show off, show off to the audience. The audience wants to see what you can do so they can hire you.

All right, all right.

Why not, why not have people hire you? You're, you're a brilliant guy.

I appreciate, I appreciate you doing it, and I appreciate you saying that. Thank you, Joe. So there is CR Machine. It starts out like this. I just started using recently. It doesn't have a lot of data yet, uh, after I got it done. But basically the idea is you have your basic dashboard shows how many contacts, leads, customers, and total value, you know, since you started the thing. It shows everything. And you can go to contacts, you have the display of contacts, and for each contact you can, you know, click on the deal to get a lot more information. It's completely infused with all kinds of AI things. So you can get the insights from AI by clicking on the button. You can generate a brief for next meeting that you want to have with this person. It's got their contact information. You know, you can see their website by clicking on it. You know, pretty simple. Over here, you can actually do several things from these cards here. Obviously, you have the search. So if you're looking for— you're not in there, but I'm going to add you in there.

Add me, add me in there. Add contact, top right, click on add contact.

So here's how that part works. I go to, uh, LinkedIn, let's say, let's say I grab your card, but I'll use LinkedIn as an example. And I go to, uh, Joe, uh, yeah, there you are. And I look at your profile and I go to contact info.

Well, it's not there. You have to first save it. You have to press save and it'll give you my email.

No, no, no. I'm showing you exactly what I'm gonna show you. So I'm gonna go ahead and just grab this text here.

But if you press accept, it'll also have my email, but fine.

Okay. Then I go to basically here. It's not the only way. It's one way to do it. And—

I think you may have closed it.

No, no, I didn't. It's just hidden. So over here, so I go and I go— So I can import from image if I have a business card I scanned. That's one way to do it. Another way to do it over here, I just say place from clipboard and it drops all the stuff that I copied there and I click populate info. And when I click that, now we have your name, we have your phone number, you know, it's everything that was on that particular deal, it automatically prefills. And your email, what's your email, Joe?

joe@ajaxunion.com.

Union.com. union.com.

And I'm CEO.

Yeah, and you're the CEO. Okay. Oops. And so basically I have enough information here. You know, I can put whatever I have, but it pre-fills stuff, so I can do that. Then over here it says from Brooklyn, New York, uh, and so I can do, uh, generate Contact Insights, and it's going to go out there. Again, this is all AI trying to do the research. It says CEO, founder of Ajax Union, blah blah blah, B2B digital marketing. So you can see it creates a pretty nice profile for you. And then I can just say create contact and I'm done. And I also could put tags if I wanted for you. So now you're here in the system. At this point, I could click on the email to email you directly from here. I can click on call to make a phone call. I can look at your website by just clicking on obviously the web deal. There you are. And I can also, because I have Icon license— better since I wrote the thing— uh, I have a button for one-on-one video calls. So if I click it, it'll actually launch Icon and give me the link, and all I have to do is just paste it like on LinkedIn or whatever, and, and you'll be able to jump in and have a call with me like we're doing right now. And then I can also edit, you know, any of these things obviously. And so we'll put you into your marketing, right?

Uh, yeah, marketing, networking. You can add networking, you could add LinkedIn, school connector.

Okay, we'll put all these deals and we'll update. And so, you know, obviously you can edit the stuff. And then what I can do is I can actually set up a task. Right now there's no tasks, but what I can do is I can add a task. And let's say I'm gonna hook up with you, uh, we're gonna do another virtual meeting. Uh, let's say a week from now, just showing as an example, you know, whatever date I want. And so what's going to happen then, uh, actually no, let's do today. Let's do today. So I'll show you an example. And I can put any comments and I can also record them. This is how I can talk, speak whatever I want to say. It's a little incongruent, but hopefully I can figure it out and basically indicate that we can discuss buying my apps. So I basically click on the button And it actually can see how much more concise it made my ramble.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It organizes it.

Exactly. Puts the date. You can put the tags on the page. So you want to say we update the task, we're done. Okay, so what happens every day— and over here I can see that there's one task there, and so on and so forth— what happens is when I come in every day, I click on tasks, and what it does, it figures out which tasks are most important and And so we have one with today's date.

So it should be here. What happens when you click on the little checkbox? Does it disappear or does it just say done?

Checkbox?

Under there. Yeah, you click on that checkbox.

No, it's not that checkbox. This is the checkbox. This is basically edit.

Oh, I got it. So if you click on that—

This thing here. So if I click on that, it means complete task. It says, what did you accomplish today? Again, you can record it by voice. You can say—

Very nice guy. Very nice conversation. Okay, good.

Let's let's say I can put as much as much as I want in there. And then over here is this is the key thing is a schedule follow-up task. So what should we discuss next time?

We'll discuss discuss yeah yeah okay now press complete task and what happens?

Complete task what it does it saves it but now it comes up and says okay okay when do you want to do the next one follow up next time so that's where we go for next week so it forces you to set up a follow-up deal. Of course, if I check that box before, so I don't have to. But the idea being that a lot of people miss follow-ups. This thing kind of forces you to do the follow-up. Okay. Yeah. And so I update task and that's it. So now on my today's list— Love that.

Love that.

It's got nothing there, but you're going to come up next week on the same—

What happens if you click— what happens if you click notes on the left side? There's notes.

Notes, you can add any notes, but when you add notes, you can add notes based on Uh, dates and based on contacts. So in other words, you can have a note that is attached to nobody, but I can also set up a specific note for you, and then I can easily filter here.

And then you can go back and see what note you took today because you were in a meeting.

Well, remember, it keeps track of those notes that I put in, in the actual tasks.

Oh God.

Anyway, this thing is just for these additional notes that have nothing to do with specific dates, right?

So if you click New Note, if you click New Note on the top right corner, Will it create a new note completely for today? You could have 2 notes for the same day?

It's not for today. It's basically, I can make it for today, but I can make it with nothing. I can just make it a note for you. Okay.

But there's no title to the note?

Joe. Okay. And then you can put it with that note itself. This is a dummy note. So I put in that, I can add tags to it too and stuff. And then when I get done, save note, it's gonna come up uh, in the list of all the notes right there. There's a note for Joe looking like that, and I can edit it anytime. But at the same time, on the search, that's when it becomes powerful. I can type in, show me notes for Joe.

Oh, got it.

And, um, and over here it says— it shows me right there, Joe, and then it comes up with your name. And so now it shows your name. If I look at—

for, uh, if you go into my contact, does this note show up under my contact? If you go to my contact, you click on contacts and go into my contact. Nobody get what I'm saying on the— this note?

I see what you're saying, but it's not—

it's a separate module.

Yeah, I could do it that way. I just— I wanted to do it this way because that's what I wanted, and then so that's why it doesn't do it.

But so this is almost like a separate module. Got it.

Yeah, right. And then the settings, you have full control over task types, you have control over contact statuses, tags, you know, and you can import data from CSV or something like that. And that's basically it. So the idea was to make it simple, and just every day I come in, first thing is you know look at the list for today. Anything, whatever, handle it. Put in the comments.

Why not? Why not use Go High Level? Why build your own?

Because I wanted it. First of all, I wanted to look like this. Okay.

Because this is a this is a sexy Russian design. Correct.

Well, I think it was more like Jewish design than the Russian.

Okay, okay.

And then, yeah, the Russians have no taste. And then you have the other reason I wanted to have, like for example, I don't know if other CRMs, there may be some, I'm not saying there aren't, but I don't know if they actually force the issue with follow-ups. Yeah, yeah, no, I love it. This thing forces you with follow-ups.

I love it. What's that purple circle on the bottom right?

It's just the letter O for all.

What about the one on the other side?

This is okay. This is the cool part.

Is who are you chatting with?

When CRM? I mean, oh shit! When is my next meeting with Joe?

Oh my God! So you put everything in a RAG database.

It's got your next meeting with Joe Applebaum is scheduled for March 25th.

Say say say what? Okay, ask it and say what um what notes. say dummy in it.

What notes say dummy? Yeah, we'll see if it's smart enough to figure that part out.

Uh, no, the term dummy could mean various things.

Yeah, it's not looking at it this way. Yeah, because I, I, I never thought I would actually be looking for that. I wanted to see things like, uh, you know How much is, uh, let's say Bruges Chocolates paying monthly? Let's say something like that.

Would be cool if you can save one of these as a note and see—

there we go. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's no limit. Keep in mind, Joe, I want my stuff to be simple. I hate apps that you have to go to university to be able to figure out how to use.

Yeah, I know, but this is really good. This is really, really good. And you built it on Base Obviously, I've been building in Base44.

Yes.

Wow. So it's good that you're showing people how you're building stuff in Base— this one you also did in Base44?

No, BCSFX was, uh, Claude.

Okay, okay. So that was raw, this is Base44. So you show people I could use Lovable, you could use Replit, you could use Base44, you could use bolt.new. It doesn't matter.

It's not so much that, to be honest. It's the fact is that I can create, design, and build systems for them. Like right now I'm building a system for, uh, a, um, for a landscaping company, which is basically unlike pretty much anything that's out there right now in that field. But I'm doing it specifically for a client.

How many hours, how many hours do you spend building a system like that?

It depends on the system. But for example, I'll give you one example. There is, there is a new deal that I just redid. I put together a customer loyalty program.

Yeah.

For, uh, for, um, But you know what customer loyalty programs are, you know, cards and things like that. I built a digital version of that many years ago, like maybe like 7 years ago or something like that, and I ran it for a few years and COVID hit, bunch of restaurants went out of business after that and stuff. So anyway, I decided to bring it back to life. So I'll give you an example. That system took me about 5 months, not full-time but close, 5 months to design and build.

Okay.

Wow. I sat down last week and I decided to enhance it and make some changes.

Yeah, yeah.

Improve it, add some AI to it. You know how long it took me to get it done?

Like an hour?

2 days.

Wow.

No, no, you're not gonna get that. But 5 months in 2 days, that's pretty, pretty remarkable.

Wow.

Yeah, so.

That's very impressive. Congratulations.

Thank you.

Congratulations. I'm so proud of everything that you've done. You're such an accomplished human being.

Uh, I don't know about that.

Do you want, do you want more clients? Do you want more clients? Are you looking for more business?

A few more, yes. I have a few more because the ones I have are, you know, good clients.

I have a, I have a community with 1,700 people.

Okay.

And we meet on a regular basis. Um, it's in Skool, skool.com/eviai. You can attend the events. If you decide you want to use Evie AI, I can give you a special deal on our software. Um, our software is typically $300 a month for our pro version.

Mm-hmm.

But we have, we have something called the Bundle Plus where we bundle in training on how to use LinkedIn plus a community plus, plus, plus a bunch of other stuff. I think if you join the Bundle Plus, you might benefit from A, using our software and also seeing all the amazing things that we have within it. But more importantly is just being part of the community. You're gonna end up getting clients that are $10,000, $15,000, $20,000, $30,000 projects. Because we don't have anyone that's like a genius like you. We have a lot of good geniuses, but you're very practical the way that you think, the way that you're building applications. And you're gonna end up through our ecosystem of 1,700 people. You're just by being there and by showing up and by, by, by thinking the way that you think, you're gonna be able to help a lot of people and people will wanna become your clients automatically. So that's kind of like the idea. So if you want to—

That's good. You wanna, you wanna hit me with the link to your community? I'll check it out.

Yeah, yeah, it's skool.com/evyai, E-V-Y-A-I, but I'll send you the details as well through Skool.

Okay, excellent. Anyway, we keep talking about me and me and me. Tell me about you. I mean, you already showed me some of the stuff. You told me about the community. What else do you do?

Well, I'm an ideator. I come up with a lot of different ideas for, you know, that's my thing. Um, so I love, I love ideating. I love strategizing. I love helping people out and making a difference for them. That's the thing that, that's the thing I'm most passionate about. So, um, you know, I love building relationships with people and getting to know them deeply. That's something that I'm very, very passionate about.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and just connecting, you know, like, like if, who do you wanna meet? Who, like, that's the thing. So for me, I help people. be able to have 5 conversations a day with people that can do— they do business with. Um, I teach people how to use LinkedIn effectively. Like, I do see a lot of potential with your profile that you're not really tapping into. You have 1,700 people, but, you know, your posts are getting 1 like, you know, like 1 comment, you know, you're not really—

Yeah, no, and that's because I'm not trying to do anything special.

My point is, even without doing much special, when people join our community, they end up getting lots of likes and comments and exposure. And then, and then more people want to buy their products and services. And, you know, you already have a bunch of products, which is very inspiring. But my passion is about helping people generate an extra $100K in profit. So if I want 1,000 people that I can help generate an extra $100K in profit, and that's going to make me very happy, that'll create $100 million in economic activity. That's what I'm passionate about.

Right.

So that's, that's what I'm after. That's what I'm looking to do. And I'm looking to help more people be able to be more successful online. Um, using LinkedIn as kind of like the driving force. But, you know, the idea is building relationships with people, getting to know them, connecting with them deeply. That's, that's the whole idea of the premise behind everything that I do. Um, so if you know anything about me, you'll realize that, hey, this guy's the type of guy that wants to, that wants to connect with people and build relationships with them and get to know them. And that's, that's what I do. And that's why I built this technology called Evvy AI. which helps me organize all of somebody's contact information into one place. Not like the CRM, like that you built, but more around like understanding what they need, how they can— I've been into networking for a really, really long time, building relationships and networking. And so imagine wanting to leave a comment on someone's post and you don't have the exact comment to say, where Alt Technology will allow you to be able to know exactly what— Sure. What comment to leave, and so on. By the way, what's your cell phone number? Do you have any public?

Put it out since you're streaming.

I have I have my my cell phone number on my LinkedIn profile.

No, just kidding. It's on my LinkedIn too. Yeah, it's four two five six five four one one two zero.

Amazing. What's four what's four what's four two five area code anyway?

It's Seattle area. Seattle, Washington. I'm in Redmond.

Oh, you're in Seattle? Oh, you're in Redmond. Okay, cool. I went to, um, I went to Washington. That was really, really cool. I really enjoyed going to Washington. Washington is an amazing place. It is, um, beautiful. There's a lot of really big companies out there as well. Did you move there because of the companies?

No. Have you ever heard of Steven Hill, the actor?

I heard of Starbucks.

Okay, forget, forget the Starbucks. Have you ever seen, uh, the show called Law and Order?

Yeah, I did. Yeah.

In the original 10 years that it was there, there was an old guy who was playing the DA. Do you remember him?

Yeah.

He's a relative of mine and his family is from Seattle, and that's why we wound up in Seattle. Yeah.

Wow. Do you have kids?

I have 2 kids.

Very nice. Do they live with you or are they older?

My son lives with me. My daughter lives with the ex. Really?

Wow. So you're single?

I'm single, divorced.

Are you looking for, uh, are you looking for a wife?

As long as she's not the same as my first one, yeah.

Well, usually they say you end up attracting the same person over and over and over if you don't do personal development.

So that's why I'm single.

Yeah, yeah. Wow. So you're married to AI like me?

No, I'm also married to my drums. Really?

You're a drummer?

I'm a drummer.

Yeah. Wow. Wow. So do you, do you ever go out and still drum?

I, I have a little electronic drum set at home, so I bang here, but I don't— I used to be in different bands back when I was young, but then I switched to computers and that was it. But I still love music. That's why I built the music into this thing, because I've always loved music. I still love music.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's why, that's why you put music, right?

That's why you put music and also the graphics thing. It's all the creative stuff. I'm It's kind of part of me. And, uh, but in terms of what you said, I appreciate you saying it, in terms of my apps, my idea is to create things that are simple from a user perspective. In other words, to me, it's not about being a developer who develops stuff because they think it's cool, but it's about developing something that people will find easy to use and very useful for them.

Yeah.

So I'm very— when I design stuff, I design it very much from a user perspective because a lot of developers do think— some— a lot of people who do websites make the same mistake. It's like they develop these websites. I mean, who are you developing it for? Are you developing for you? Are you developing it for people who are going to come and visit it? And a lot of people just don't get it. And then you have people coming in and say, can you make that blue a little bit bluer? Right.

And I'm like— And that makes no difference.

You can't tell them anything. But basically what I want to say to them is, do you realize that if you drop this blue on 10 monitors, they're all going to look different?

Yeah.

Do you get that? And do you really want to tell me that if it's a little bit bluer, your sales are going to go through the roof? Seriously. And so people are just, you know, people are people. I'm gonna say, don't get me started, as Billy Crystal used to say.

Don't get me started. Why, why, why, why? Because you're very passionate about it, right?

Well, I'm passionate about it, but also I'm, I'm, I'm not very much into stupid people. And to me, that's exactly what these kind of people are. They're just dumb because they don't know what they're talking about, and they think because they own the business, they know exactly what their customers want in terms of website. And most of the time that's not the case, at least not in my experience.

Wow. I love that. And connecting with people deeply is something I'm very passionate about. I wrote a book called High Energy Networking about how I network and how I build relationships. Are you active on Alignable right now?

I'm not, no. I used to be an ambassador until they kicked me off after I put a post about Trump being hit. So that was the end of me being an ambassador on Alignable.

What do you mean? How did they kick you off? They kicked you off as an Alignable member or as an Alignable ambassador?

They kicked me off as Alignable ambassador and as the head guy in 2 different communities that they had.

Was it profitable for you to be part of Alignable while you were doing it?

Not at all, not at all.

Tell me more about that.

Basically what happened was I did get one client, so I guess I should say it was profitable, but I was paying them at the time, I guess it was $30 a month, doing a bunch of work And, you know, they, they, they have something that definitely could be special, but they don't have a clue what to do. I mean, they still have problems with things like being able to even upload images, which is about as basic as you can get.

So why don't you help them with their tech?

I talked to them. I talked to them several occasions, including with the guy who runs the show, and explained I'll be happy to help you exactly what needs to be fixed. And he said, thank you, thank you, and that was the end of it. They never did fix any of the stuff I told them about, practically.

Wow.

So no, they don't know what they're doing as far as I'm concerned. I'm getting involved with a new network called, uh, this I Refuse to Fail, uh, partnership deal. And actually, I have a meeting with them in 15 minutes where they're going to be looking at the new website for them, which I built. And one of the cool features that this new website will have is people will be able to have a directory, you know, listing of members. but they'll be able to identify which are their most trusted connections.

Wow.

Okay? And so the idea being that you have this list called My Most Trusted Connections, and you can add different people into it, and you can share it if you want to.

You're working with My Most Trusted now?

I'm part of their community, yes. I'm one of their partners.

Wow, that's really nice. Congratulations.

Thank you. They're actually, in 15 minutes, they're gonna have a meeting, and I'm supposed to show off my new website for them, yeah.

Are you gonna show off your new website to them?

Yep, I am.

Very, very, very impressive. Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm really, I'm really excited about getting to know you. I do have a call starting right now, so I'm gonna have to hop, but I think I could talk to you forever because I like you.

We can talk again. Thank you, Joe.

Same here. I sent you a connection request on LinkedIn. I hope you would accept it.

Absolutely. I will. Yeah.

Um, I would love for you to be part of our community, and if you're interested in our, in getting Evie AI and being part of my training, I think it'll really open up your mind. To be able to properly leverage LinkedIn. I've been teaching LinkedIn for 10 years and I teach LinkedIn employees how to use LinkedIn. I teach LinkedIn trainers how to use LinkedIn. So I have deep, deep, deep knowledge on LinkedIn. Yeah. And, um, I think you'll be very inspired by being part of the Evvii world.

Okay. I'll definitely look into it.

Yeah. Look into it, play with it, see what it is. And, um, I'm definitely inspired by talking to you. Um, and I'm definitely gonna spread the word.

Thank you, Joe.

Um, about your, about your business, about what you're doing, about who you are. And if somebody asks, me, they're looking for an IT guy or an IT solution, an AI automation solution, I'm definitely going to recommend you. I'll let them know that you're the man that knows what he's doing because damn, son, you built some very impressive babies.

Thank you. Thank you very much. I've been doing software development for over 4 decades. I don't even use years anymore. I just go decades. So I've been doing it for a while.

Wow. Very impressive. Very, very impressive.

Thank you, Joe. Pleasure to talk to you.

Yeah, likewise. We'll talk again soon.

Absolutely.

All right, bye.

Take care.

Take care.

Bye-bye.

That, my friends, was epic. That was an epic conversation. I loved it. And I'm looking forward to continuing my conversation with him, building a relationship, getting to know him. And I look forward to seeing more. Guys, let me know if you have any questions. If you need anything, you could always check out evviai.com, your sales assistant for social media. Really powerful. Sign up today and we'll see you on the next one. Boom.