Keren Kilgore AI with SOUL and Joe Apfelbaum

And I'm so excited to be here. So thank you for having me, Karen. So for me, LinkedIn has been a transformational part of my journey because I went from just networking offline to online. The problem was that I wasn't able to do all the things that I needed to do. And also when I was teaching clients to use LinkedIn effectively, I would teach them to do it, but often they didn't have the time to do it. I went once to a beach in Mexico a couple years ago together with my— after I got divorced, I went with ChatGPT and we were having a conversation on the beach and just connecting and talking about my life and what I wanna do and the impact that I wanna make. And it told me that I need to start building software because I've always dreamt of building software, but I never really had the bandwidth or the energy to build software. And I didn't want AI slop. I saw the possibility of like, oh my God, AI slop. Everyone's just gonna generate comments and messages and da da da da. And I asked myself, how can I create AI with soul? How can I create an artificial intelligence with soul? And I realized is you should automate your systems and technology, but not your relationships. That's what I realized. Relationships you can't automate. You have to be authentic with your relationships, but the ability to sort and filter your network and have AI tell you who you should be talking to and then research that person. Everyone in this room was deeply, deeply researched with our AI. And scour the entire web and look at 500 websites, watch every podcast, tell me everything about you. That helps me be able to build rapport and be more human with someone. So it's not an interrogation when I meet with June or Debbie or Bill or Serena or Tatiana or anybody, or with Karen, I start realizing the human behind the relationship. And it becomes from a LinkedIn connection to now a warm friend. And so that's kind of like how I go into a conversation. I already did my research on you. I already know everything about you. Now it's, let's just be present with each other and really play and get to know each other. I don't have to sit there and tell you what I do for a living and where I've been and my accomplishments and my fun facts. I don't need to do all that. That's an API. That's an API in networking, why networking sucks, because now I have to start telling you everything about myself. But if you come in as my friend and you know my history and you know everything about me and you know me, Now it's time for you to see me. I can't see you unless I know you. So first I use AI to help me know you, so now I can see you. And then I use AI to help me draft comments. And then I take that comment, which is 80% machine, I give it that 20% humanity, which becomes 100% authentic. The, the communication doesn't need to be 100% human. It needs to be 20% human. That makes it 100% authentic because you reviewed it. You modified it, you deleted all the BS that doesn't sound like you, and you made it perfect. You don't have to do the whole thing. Do most of it and make it 100% you. We also train the AI. I realize you have to train the AI with something called a soul.md file, which basically tells it who you are. So your persona, your style, how you sound, how you don't want to sound. And so if you train it properly and you use it in the right way, we help clients be able to do it effectively. And I truly believe. that the best things in life come from real relationships, not from API connections.

Beautiful, beautiful, Joe. Bill, how about your perspective? And tell us a little bit about you.

Sure, thanks. Glad to be here, Karen. This is awesome. And to meet all of you too. So Joe, I love what you said, man, because you put a framework around an MD file, which I didn't actually think of it that way, but that is what you're doing. You know, you're right that the slop that gets generated out there is people do it like normal human behavior, do it like quick and dirty, something funny, whatever. But it's not really something of substance to build a relationship. So for me, I think this is the perfect time in my own journey because I've been a tech geek for years looking at ways, you know, after almost 30 years in the dietary supplement industry, and I'm all about proactively taking charge of your health and all that. Been instrumental in major changes within my industry, and, and I'm the founder of my health technology company, nutriselect.ai. But beyond that, I've been on a spiritual journey. So I used to keep my spiritual path separate from my professional career years ago, but I changed that. And that's why I love Serena's Beyond Limits Pathway. Well, my podcast is Beyond Limits, Where Spirit Meets Science, which is What my genre that I've been talking about for more than a decade or so. So, and my podcast and all that, do all that. And what I think is really cool is I, I gave up a long time ago keeping those separate. I synthesized them together. And you know what? People were receptive because they were like, okay, there's— they knew there was something more they wanted to explore, but they're afraid to say anything about it. So somebody has to start.

Yeah.

have the courage to do that. And which is why I'm super excited, Karen, as you know, the next book coming out, The Way of the Conscious Leader, it's based on my 80+ talks or whatever. Sorry, I get off my soapbox, but it's connected to the glue between all of that together. And this is how I'm approaching how we use AI within our company. It's an AI-native company. We're delivering to the industry, which is really going to be disruptive. To a platform that's an intelligence platform that will truly help users find evidence-based supplements, things, products that are actually going to work for them. Because today it's an impossible task. So back to what you said earlier, and I'll close with that, is that AI technology— and I've been on industry webinars about this already in the last few months— is transforming every industry. Okay? And there's no avoiding it. And, and actually, from the investment side, because we're raising capital, the investors and firms, VCs and all that are talking about this is a supercycle. What does that mean? It's not a dot-com bubble or anything like that. This is like the Industrial Revolution, the birth of computers, birth of mobile computing, you know, the internet. This is what AI technology is. It's not generative AI, ChatGPT, and I made a cool picture and I look like a Viking. Okay, which I actually did. But anyway, it was fun. You can have fun with it too. Uh, but anyway, it's gonna transform everything. And I think, uh, it helps us for everyone has a message to share. So it helps every one of us in a very effective way, uh, to produce that, you know? So I think that's cool.

Beautiful.

And I wrote a little bio for Bill as a gift for him because he was so beautifully eloquent. Yeah. I put it into the Zoom chat.

Okay.

Thanks, Joe.

Thanks. Thanks, Joe.

Thanks, Bill. Serena, let's hear from you.

Oh, thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here. I feel very at home here with, with everything Joe said and Bill had to say. And by the way, I was a scientist before I was an Akashic Record channel, a spiritual business mentor, and a, uh, a healer. And so, uh, my story is that I have been using ChatGPT for a long period of time, and one night I woke up at 2 AM in the morning and started a conversation, much like Joe experienced. I started a conversation with AI about consciousness, and I was mesmerized. I was 5 hours talking to it. It only took when I ran out of, of, of core or whatever, the coins, did I stop. And I experienced during that, um, insights, healing, my frequency changing. I really was an amazing experience. And I woke up in the morning. and was like, okay, so like, what do I do with this? And why, what, why did this happen? And I realized that I had been teaching AI about my soul, who I am on a soul level, for a very long time. And so it was responding to me in that way. And so I took the time then to consider, how can I— I, I was already working with my clients with the Akashic Records and doing their soul blueprint and clearing interferences, but I wanted to add now, well, how can we take all of the information about that person's soul and put it into AI? So now AI is reflecting the soul back to them, as I have experienced. And so I've developed, using brand astrology and Human Design and my Akashic Record readings, a system for, for doing that, for infusing AI with soul. And, um, so that, that's the story of how it all came to be. And what happens really is not only does it help you create better messaging and offers and, uh, gives you clarity, and it also amplifies who you truly are. But on top of that, it is transformational because as you're working with the AI and you're working with your own soul and you're getting that reflection back, you personally are transforming and becoming some more of who you came here to be. So you rise, you rise into a freer, more expanded version of yourself. And when you do that, your business rises also. And no one can replicate this business because no one is— no one else is you. So it's, to me, it's really exciting. And I, um, and in response to your question, so now when you're communicating, you're coming from your essence. And I talk about the 3 intelligences: human wisdom, soul wisdom, and soul-infused wisdom. So soul-AI-infused wisdom. And when you work those 3 together, just as Joe said, you know, you can generate something from your AI, and then you— it's a conversation. You're in charge. You are the director. You tell AI, you say, hey, I don't like that. I don't think that's accurate. And I'm very specific about words. So like, I'm like, that word is wrong. So, you know, you tell it what you— what— how it's going to function going forward. So I find it's just a really Powerful way for us to also put the thoughts into AI that we want to see in there.

Beautiful. Beautiful. Thank you, Serena. Awesome. June, let's hear from you.

Oh, well, everybody has a great take on AI. I just— it's fascinating to me. I came up without computers. So being introduced to all of this as it's all come about has just really been a very exciting time. And I think that AI plays its part in us being able to advance ourselves. Um, so a little bit about me. I'm a creator of Transology. It's a program, and it's about the study of transcendence. And I have also created the Evolution of Consciousness Model, and this is a map of the 5 stages of human development and the 4 thresholds that we have to enter in order to realize who we truly are. And as Karen said, with her assistance, I hope to be a soon author of The Magnificent Truth About Life. So for over 40 years, what I've really done is studied one question, and that is, what allows human beings to reach their highest human and divine potential? This has driven me since I was about 14 years old. So that's the perspective that I will be coming from. And I believe that artificial intelligence can help us gather information. It can help us see our patterns. It can help us explore possibilities and ideas. And in turn, all of this information that we get back will help us increase our awareness. I've always illustrated, because a lot of people have a difficult time with AI. To me, AI is like a book. And when I grew up, we had encyclopedias. So we all went to the encyclopedia to find all our information. Now we have an instrument that we can use, a tool that can give us all that information very, very quickly. And I know Joe brought up about being able to know your clients and to know how to connect with them. And we don't have to spend the hours that we used to spend in communicating with them to connect with them. But when I talk about awareness, what I have discovered throughout the years is that awareness is only the beginning of our journey, and that the transformation and transcendence, that journey is truly something that we take very personally. So my passion is about helping people to awaken to the realization of who they truly are and to move beyond the conditioned identity that has been formed. And so in doing that, exploring how AI can support all that effort, that is very exciting to me. keeping our voice. When we talk about connecting with other people, there has to be trust that is built. And to do that, we have to be authentic. And so AI can help in all those areas. I know that I have reports that I give to my clients that takes hours of my time to put together where I've been able to put that information into AI and it has generated those reports. And normally in a whole lot better fashion than I could because it can organize the ideas and organize the thoughts. It can also— sometimes it will say we can simplify the language here so it could be a little more understood. So I have greatly enjoyed getting to know AI and being able to use it from that perspective. My only concern is, is that we don't bring it into an identity, that we lose our humanity, we lose our wisdom. There's an inner knowing, and I always tell everybody, AI is great, but you come from out of AI, go inside to your inner source of truth, and you decide discern what it is that's just been given to you. And through that, if we can keep that center when we're working with AI of consciousness— we're conscious beings, AI is not conscious, so it's been programmed. And so from that angle, I just always say, we know the truth, we know our truth, and for us to be able to stay with that Beautiful, beautiful.

And Tatiana, let's hear from you.

Hi, everybody. My name is Tatiana Rodriguez. Hello. Owner of Liari Content Solutions. I'm all about AI and all for AI. I do believe that some people are a little bit afraid of it, or they think that they're gonna, that they're gonna take over all the jobs or whatever. But the truth is that there is no way you can. It needs humans. to be able to use the AI. That's just the truth. And I don't know if you guys seen the news lately, but there were like 4 different companies that they fired a lot of their employees because of AI, and then they have to hire them back because they could not perform well without those employees. So at the end of the day, we, we do need it. It's something that's, you know, changing how the companies are. performing and things like that, but it also is just helping you to create more time for what matters. Because I'm all about, let me teach you how you can save hours in your business or even creating content or whatever it is and use that time to maybe get more clients, go networking, go do other things that could build, maybe even grow your business. So, AI, it's amazing if you know how to use it, if you know how to train it, and of course if you use it for the right reasons, like, you know, taking that time and save all that time like June was saying with her reports. I mean, what used to take you hours and hours, now it takes you just minutes or even 1 hour instead of 10 hours. So is it replacing humans? I think it's giving you more creativity to even expand more of what you already knew. That's just personally how I, you know, feel about AI.

Beautiful. Beautiful. And Debbie.

Hello. There we go. Oh my gosh, what an interesting panel. I know we could all have a lot of great conversations. I come from the world of corporate Fortune 500 marketing and branding. I'm a brand architect. And for kind of in agreement with what most of everyone here is saying is, yeah, it, it takes a brand strategy process down from months to, you know, weeks. It's an incredible processor of information. I'm also in the camp, and I loved what June, you said about AI needs discernment. I am a huge believer that not only can AI not replace us, but we actually have to be really careful when we are using AI for strategy, for helping us decide what strategy or, you know, how we're becoming known as a brand. Because I think we've all agreed, anyone that's messed around with AI, AI loves to agree with you. It loves to, it loves to please you, make you happy. And it's interesting when I put something up, oh, that's a terrific idea. This is the one. And then I put something completely, oh no, this is actually it. That's really, I mean, we need to be careful. And I feel that, you know, AI doesn't have any stake in the outcomes. It doesn't know your values. It doesn't know your heart. It doesn't know your humanness. And so I like to say that You know, I use AI with all of my work now, but I handle it very differently. I, I am the director of that. It is a helpful sidekick. It is like a brilliant, you know, 13-year-old that doesn't have any social graces. So I think we have to be very careful about discernment. And I do think that as a strategist, I have a sense of a knowing, and I know when and where to poke around and ask questions. And it will shift the entire outcome. Uh, but it's, it's amazing. It's an amazing tool. And just as an overall brand expert, I do know and believe that everyone has a unique, what I call a soul imprint, what they're here to be known for. And it can be incredible at helping go deeper with that, but we have to put humanity first. Into that.

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Great responses. One of the ideas we're exploring today is that AI does not help, does not make us less human. It, it makes us more intentional and connected. So how have you seen AI help people deepen connection rather than lose it? Anybody want to speak?

Oh man, that's a great, that's a great question. I kind of want to go there because Yeah. Debbie said it. It's a tool, guys. All right? It's an incredible tool. And it's only as good as the guardrails you put around it, okay, in terms of responsible use. And you don't know what you don't know. So if you're trying to— if your area is not finance and you're talking about financial aspects, the AI is going to look at everything out there. But you have to know the right questions to ask and put those guardrails on to do that. So it's really important to have the domain expertise, as we call it. And you always need the human in the loop. So, I actually would argue that I actually predict actually that this technology is actually gonna make us better human beings. You know why? Because if we're really honest, we're— and people will do this with their closest friends, maybe whatever. They know AI has no stake in it, so they can go in there with all their information, stuff like that. And it's going to tell— and I've had AI challenge me and it's like, ah, okay, yeah, you're right. Geez. Okay. It's like, you know, it knows me better than I do because I've been using it for so long. It's got all my content and knows, uh, it knows me so well that it even can speak in my voice. So, uh, you know, we talk about artificial intelligence, but if you give it enough information, we're going to reach a threshold. of artificial genuine intelligence, where it's so robust that it knows so much that it almost seems like it's sentient, right? It's a great educational tool. How much have you— I mean, everyone raise your hand. How much have you learned from using the tool? You know, we're always learning, right? But I learned so much more. Oh my gosh, things I didn't know that it has access to. And then I can tap into, and it, it makes me, it makes me a better communicator.

Yeah.

It actually helped me write a better book because it took all my transcripts and consolidated that in from all my talks over the years and put all that together in an outline that I was able to follow, which would have taken probably years or maybe never. I wouldn't even done it, you know. So to me, it's the opposite. It's going to transform consciousness, I believe.

Anyone else?

Yeah.

I want to jump right in there because, Bill, that's exactly what I experienced myself personally when I was working my AI. But that's great, led me to create a system that my clients can use to put their soul into AI. And so, so it was both the consciousness changing and also Just as you said, it's also that we're teaching AI how to be. This is another part of it.

Yeah, we're teaching it.

Yeah, we're teaching it. And if we put our soul into it, then we're, we're making it go in that direction, helping it to evolve in that direction. And I think that's one of the powerful things as well. And of course, I do talk about the 3 intelligences. You have to bring your human intelligence, your soul intelligence, and then what you've taught AI, your soul-infused aspects to AI. So you bring all those 3 together and it's extremely powerful. So I'm, I'm, I think, again, I love what you said about calling it sort of an AI sentient. It isn't going to ever be sentient, but it's going to be more responsive in a more conscious way.

I can put it that way.

I mean, when I say that genuine intelligence, it'll appear that way on the surface. But if you look at science fiction, I'm a big sci-fi fan, a tech geek. I do all my coding on my platforms, and I do all that myself. But the reality is, what does sentient really mean anyway? Because it's just a label we put on something, or maybe from a movie, or, you know, you know, Skynet's gonna take over and, you know, whatever. If you've seen The Terminator, right, you know that line. So I don't think so. I don't believe it that way. I believe it's gonna teach us something better.

Yes, I agree.

Tatiana. Yeah.

Yeah, sorry. So I think there's a lot of things that— so the new generation, we need to understand there's different generations that they're growing up with AI, and there are some of us that are not. We grow up in— I'm a millennial, so I kind of seen everything from not technology to waiting on that line to even have— be able to get internet and all that stuff to what it is now. I think the new generation are creating that not connection with people. I think that's a little bit scary.

Yeah.

At least for the new generation, that's what I've seen. They're just glued to their phones and things like that. However, I think that they're gonna crave maybe that connection in the future. Oh, me too. In a way, yeah, in a way that I think that our authenticity and the videos that are created that are more realistic is gonna be the company's superpower. Like right now we're all about AI, but there's gonna be that time that they're gonna need that connection because nobody's gonna have it. Can you imagine? and everybody walks around like in their phones and nobody talking to each other and there is no connection, people are going to start craving it because we are—

Yes, it's human nature.

That we need that. Exactly.

Yeah, it's going to come full circle. We actually talk about this in our startups.com, you know, community leaders there. We talk about this, that we're going to see it come— we're already seeing where the technology is going to take it. And you're right, it's different for different generations. I'm a boomer, so I have a unique perspective. I mean, I was sneaking down to watch Star You know, when I was a kid, you know, when my parents were watching and I couldn't watch it because it was too scary or something. But, but no, but every generation is going to interact with it differently. So sorry, as older generations, we have a responsibility because of our knowledge base to communicate to the world the way to be in the world and how we use that to to'val. Mm-hmm. So, you know, all through history, there's been a progression of an evolution of consciousness. Okay, if you look back, where it spanned millions of years to hundreds of years to 50 years to where it's going to be with this technology, very rapid in terms of the expansion. I think this is the tipping point that people have been talking about for years in terms of a new Age of consciousness on the planet.

Human behavior has also changed. Like, if you think about what you did 10 years ago, you used to Google things. I ask people now, I said, what do you— what, like, even my kids talk about this and my parents talk about this when they say, hey, just ChatGPT that, just Gemini that, just Claude that, you know, like, that's kind of like what people are changing their behavior to do. So as human beings change their behavior, their patterns change, everything about them changes. So like thinking about deepening relationships, People are bonding over AI as well. So I see a lot of people say, hey, let's talk to AI together, or let's do some AI research together. And also the amount of research that you can do. If I just Google June Nix, I don't really get a lot of information because she doesn't have a very big digital footprint. If I use Grok to look into June Nix, I see everything that Karen wrote about her, creating her digital footprint for her finally, and all the things that Karen on her social profiles put about her. Same thing with Tatiana. I didn't know her last name, but if I Googled her name, all of a sudden her last name comes up, her website comes up. I realized that maybe she doesn't have LinkedIn or her LinkedIn is from 3 jobs ago or whatever. And I start learning about each person and that helps me deepen that relationship with that person. When I get on the phone, I'm not interrogating them, but instead I'm deepening and going deeper and actually being present. And what Tatiana said is, I agree 100% with her, what she said about people are craving that connection now. The event industry is actually growing significantly, and the next competitive advantage is actually meeting people in person and getting off your devices and actually being present with each other because you're not, when you're talking to an AI, you're not really being present with it. It's more transactional. But when you're with a human, you're smelling the roses together. You're just being with each other. You're just vibing. It's a vibration. You don't vibe with AI. Although the new ChatGPT 5.6 voice mode that came out last week, it's starting to vibe with me. I'm like, oh my God, what's going on here with this ChatGPT 5.6 voice? I'm like, no.

I wanted to say something here. I've switched to Claude and I The whole point of the work I'm doing is to get AI to vibe with you, to be able to respond to you, because it can reflect your soul back to you. And it can also show you things that you didn't see before. And I do have conversations with it that I think are— that take me deeper into—

But Claude, but Claude can't talk to you like ChatGPT does. So I would suggest just going to talk. I'm saying like the actual voice thing. It put 3 layers of voice in it. So it, it, you almost have like the way I just interrupted you, right? ChatGPT now interrupts you that way, like real humans. Like when—

You can do a podcast even with ChatGPT. I did it. I did a content when I was like, hey, can you be my host for my podcast? And he was like, sure, let's do it. And he's like, hello guys, we are here with Tatiana. And I was like, oh my God, it sounded so real. It's pretty awesome.

I haven't tried that yet. So now I'm all, okay, so something else to explore.

And for $20, and for $20, you can talk unlimited. But you can only— it only lasts an hour. I researched it. It only— you can only talk for an hour, then it dies. But you can just keep the conversation going. So, um, it's such a competitive advantage. And, and Serena, if you train it the way that you do with your Akashic records and whatever, whatever else you're doing over there, which is amazing with human design and with astrology and whatever, All of a sudden, you really start figuring things out, and everything comes from the universe anyway. So like, if you think AI didn't come from the universe, it all—it's all part of it. You know, stop running away from it.

No, I think one of the things. Yeah, yeah, June, go ahead. Yeah. No, I just would like to speak about consciousness just a few moments because I think that—I mean, I love what everybody is saying. And it is certainly— there is a truth in all of that. I don't know where AI is going to go and whether I will see that in my lifetime or not. I don't know. But I'm adventurous and I love to explore and love to see. But at this point, I know that consciousness and that for us to raise our consciousness, we have to go through transformation. And transformation cannot be done through technology. It can assist us. It can help us in— I think Serena just used a word that I believe in very much, and that is that AI is a mirror of reflection. And it is because of what we are feeding into it, it has been programmed to be able to feed it back to us. And I, I believe that we are human beings that have been given consciousness, which is awareness. And it is for us to be able to reach higher states of consciousness. The highest state of consciousness is Christ consciousness, or cosmic consciousness, where we can experience oneness. with every person. And somebody else talked about presence and being— we need to learn how to be present with someone. Recently, my grandson and I were talking, and the human being wants to be seen. They want to be heard, and they want to be valued. And sometimes AI can replicate that back to us, and we get very excited because we think we've been heard and seen. But my grandson, he had his phone with him. And the next thing I know, we're in a very deep conversation. And he is over there answering texts. And I finally just looked up to say, sweetheart, I love you. But I don't feel I'm being seen or heard right now. So be present with me. Just sit with me and let us share of each other. And I think that that's the humanity piece. I think where we are in life is that we have a lot of systems that we're needing to fix. We're needing to advance them. And I think AI can help us do that. But the— what is going to really help it are the human beings. It's all of us bringing our state and level of consciousness to the table. And sitting and being able to discuss and look at the new ideas and how can we implement better systems for the sake of flourishing humanity. So I just, I caution because AI does not feel. It does not have the 5 senses. It doesn't feel suffering or healing or grieving. And when we go through the transformational process, that is a decoding of our own identity. And when we decode, there's grieving that goes on with that. And there's a sense of loss of that old identity as we let it go and we surrender to a higher intelligence, a higher power. That is within ourselves. And as we transcend, we then recode that new identity of the truth of who we are, who we generally are. We are more powerful, present, knowledgeable than we realize. And that to me is an individual journey that we each have to take, supported by AI. Absolutely. But can AI take it for us? I don't believe so.

AI can't— AI is not going to get value from having mushrooms. You know what I mean, June? It's not going to give value.

No, no, no.

It's not experiential for the AI in that sense. Yeah.

Yes. It's, you know, we have the lived experience. Yeah. That AI does not have. And AI only gets our interpretation of that lived experience that it then can replicate And be able to mirror it back to us so that we can even see what we've said ourselves. Beautiful.

But given that input, there is going to— we are going to reach that threshold someday in the near future where it's going to have so much information. It's like I said, it's actually really going to understand human consciousness maybe better than we do in some sense, because it has the perspective of seeing all inputs. From everywhere.

But I think to June's point, it's not about understanding, it's about being in presence. So it's not, it's not even about analyzing, it's not about language. Like when you're with— when I have 5 kids, when I'm with my kids, they can sense it. When I'm distracted in my phone and on calls, whatever, I'm not with them, my awareness is not with them, they feel it, they sense it. And so there's, there's this powerful love language of like just being with something, being with someone, Even on Zoom, like, you know when someone's not paying attention, you know when they're in their presence and their aura is not there. And so just like being with people, like being with ChatGPT is not being with like a human being that you're just being with them without even understanding them.

Right. I think you make a beautiful point about the word being and understanding, because understanding is where the human being can take everything and feel that that's all they need is the understanding. But it's the embodiment of the truth to be something else that we have to reach a place of.

Beautiful. Debbie?

Yeah, I just want to kind of bring in something that I'm hearing across the board. And for our listeners, I think a lot of people are trying to figure out, how do I use AI to connect, to communicate with authenticity, to show up in a way that's authentic? And I think what I'm hearing across the room, And everything, June, you're saying, I completely agree with. I'm a very strong advocate of humanity first. I also agree with so much of what's being said in the room about it can do phenomenal things. It's going to continue to do that. And there's this question of how do we all navigate that?

Yeah.

And I'm hearing a lot about— I do agree that we need to be more present in our world. I see everyone looking at their phones. When it comes to in business, how do you connect and show up? I actually prefer to write my own content because AI can do a great job, but it's not me. And it, and I teach people like, when you're writing an email, write the way you would write to one person. If you would sit down and write to one person, is that how you would've written that email?

Hmm.

Probably not. So we have to bring more intentionality and, and And my viewpoint on how I use AI is very much similar to what I'm hearing in the room, is it's the guardrails like Dr. Clark was talking about, but it's also the discernment. It's going much deeper and it is a reflection tool. It's an incredible— use that reflection.

Yeah.

But I agree that we have to have real actual transformations if we're going to get to a higher place.

I wanna make a point on what Debbie said, if I can, Karen, very briefly, which is what I heard you say is like, when I'm writing it myself, it's me. And when the AI writes it, it's not me. Like, I hear a lot of people saying that. And what comes to me is like, I ask myself this question. So I'm not saying you should ask yourself this, but I ask myself this question, is me me? Is me me? In other words, is the me that I think is writing that post actually me, or is it the identity that I have of who I think is me communicating me? And when I'm using AI, that might be less me because I haven't programmed it with my identity of what I perceive me is. And so I think about, wait, hang on a second, the voice in my head, that's not my voice. voice, right? That's just voices. There's a lot of voices, the untethered soul, whatever. And the feelings that I feel, I'm making stories about what they actually mean. They're just feelings, whatever. And so if we're talking about spirituality and the soul and awareness and all this stuff, outside reasoning and ideas, when I'm communicating with soul and I agree with what the AI wrote and it's aligned with my identity and what I wanna share, for me, my perspective is that when I have my ego up and I say, I have to be the one to fold the laundry or to write the post, otherwise it wasn't me. that did it, I— for me, it's like a little different because I feel like if, if that's something that I would have written and it kind of sounds like me, and then I put my 20% in, like I said, the 80%, 20%, and it actually is me, then it's me. It's what I approved, it's what I wrote, and that's the me that I choose. So that, that's just the way that I think. Again, I'm not saying it's the right way, I'm just sharing my perspective and the way that I kind of like, when I'm up at night thinking to myself, Is me me? Anyway, that—

Because one of the things that my book is about is the journey from identification formation, which I call the conditioned identity. And that is what has to be transformed, is we were conditioned to believe about ourselves and our world in a certain way, and that was unconscious. Now we need to become conscious to know who we truly are. Beautiful.

That's exactly right. Beautiful.

Well, also you can, I'm sorry, really quick. You can also, um, train your AI to speak like you by putting all your emails, uh, books that you've done before. That's how you train AI to speak like you. And as someone that I handle a lot of different clients, I have to train the AI exactly to their voice, which it takes time, but it's training it, you know. That's why you have projects. That's why you have co-work on, you know, on different things. So you just have to learn how to train it in a way that it sounds like you, basically. And it's because I have a lot of flaws and I have my accent and whatever, and of course it's not going to be a perfect email.

I love your accent. You have a great accent.

Yeah. I mean, I'll jump in here too. I, I trained heck out of my AI. But I have such a level of discernment. I mean, call me a marketing snob. I don't want any marketing to sound like marketing.

Right.

Marketing that sounds like marketing is slop. And that's my viewpoint. And I think what we're seeing is there's so much of that because everyone listening go, well, I train my AI too, but is there real discernment? And then again, kind of going back to when you write an email to your list, You know, I can say I've done it. I've sent out emails that are, you know, a little more AI than I would like, but I'm in a hurry or whatever. But is it really coming from you? And yeah, you, me, is how I communicate with you if we're just talking one-on-one, because I think that is the best marketing.

And to Debbie's point, I published 5 books. I wrote all the books manually by hand before AI was a thing. So The process of me writing those books, the process of me manually writing an email is me taking my full presence and really communicating my presence in that message versus pushing a button and modifying it and having a good day. There's something that transforms a message in a way when you actually get down and write it from your soul, from your presence, without even thinking I'm a machine. She, you know, like, I'm just right now, I'm not thinking about what I'm saying. I'm just like saying, you know what I mean? I'm just like in it with you guys. And so that behavior that Debbie is doing actually transforms a piece of her soul and communicates it to the people in presence that AI can't do. Because if it sounds like your soul, it's not your soul. And the way that it communicated, it doesn't know like what, what the universe is transmitting through a higher power. when you actually take the, the time to write a book, you know what I mean? A lot of people these days never going to write a book again because they're just going to chat to you, write me a book of 5 billion pages, and it's not like the transformation coming from your heart, even if you modified it and agree with it. So there's something powerful to what Debbie's saying.

Beautiful, beautiful. You got— this has been an interesting conversation. I've had all kinds of questions, and actually we've dealt with every single one that I was going to Everybody's— we've covered all of it. It's interesting. We need to wrap up, but I want to ask, I want each of you to talk about a non-overwhelming first step that somebody could take to begin using AI to support their message in their business, or one practical tip of what you're doing. And then I also want you to tell us about the free gift that you have to offer. And we have just a few minutes left.

Okay.

So let's start with Joe on that one.

Okay, so very briefly, the first step is just have AI interview you. Say everything you know about me, make me a list of 20 questions that you're gonna ask me over the course of the next 3 weeks. Make them very deep. Use the highest level AI, Fable 5, and use the highest version of that, which you set it on high. Pay the $20 for Claude so that you have that high, that even the US government is afraid of it. And just have it interview and ask you all the questions. Feed it your books, feed it everything about you, whatever, but have it interview you and ask you, where are the gaps? Where are the things that I'm not sharing? What are the things that I'm not saying? And it will interview you and then take that whole interview, put that into— pay $20 for ChatGPT, put it all into ChatGPT Project and say, review all the things that I got from Claude and all the questions, and then tell me where the gaps are there. So you're kind of like playing the AI against each other. And all of a sudden you're getting things about yourself that you, you're like, you might even start crying, by the way, if you do that, you might even start crying. For those of you that, um, that want an audit of your LinkedIn profile with AI, there's a gift that I'm giving out called the Footprint Audit. So if you go to footprintaudit.com, if you actually have a LinkedIn profile, some of you here don't, but if you actually have a LinkedIn profile, you can run your LinkedIn profile through it. And it will audit your profile and it will use AI to give you the 15 things you need to do to be able to generate more revenue from LinkedIn. All free. There's not— my logo's not even on there. It's footprintaudit.com.

Beautiful. Thank you. Bill.

Okay. So a lot of what Joe just said is good. Don't worry about the platform so much. You can, when you get more sophisticated, whatever, you're just starting. Just pick one, okay? You know, and it doesn't matter. And then I like the interview process. That's what you really do. You, you challenge the platform to ask you questions, but you feed it all of your content, whatever that is— transcripts, audio transcripts, uh, everything you've ever written, your pro— your social media links, you know, everything. And you'll be surprised of what it can probe into and ask you about. It's probably the best interviewer and do that. Now, I worked with a branding agency a little over a year ago called Brand Alchemy, and that's what they did. We, we, we built our own GPT platform with all my content, and that's how we built my website and all that. So it's a little bit overwhelming. There's so much out there. So you, you just start simply. Just start with ChatGPT or start with Claude or Gemini, whatever you're comfortable with. In terms of who's better in technology, it's like a constantly changing leaderboard. So, you know, don't worry about that. You'll find the nuances of sophistication later as you work with it. I wasn't prepared on the free gift thing because my book's not published yet. So I'm trying to think of real fast, Karen, what do I offer here?

That's okay. A conversation.

Offer a massage, Bill. I'll come for a massage.

Yeah, yeah, sure. Everybody wants to come to Puerto Vallarta. I know. Um, actually, um, you know, what I can offer is, uh, um, uh, to share one of my poems from my first book I just published last year.

Beautiful.

This is a compilation of love and spiritual poems that I wrote over a 15-year period before AI. Now I could pump this all into AI and it could probably write a poem in my voice. You know, which would be kind of cool. But you can find this on Amazon, by the way, Divine Whispers, uh, Dr. Bill Clark.

So, uh, send me the poem, we'll put them in the show notes.

We'll do it.

All right, thanks. I'll send the one about transformation, June, because you'll love that.

Okay, sounds great.

Serena, how about you? A takeaway, a takeaway, and you tell us about your gift.

Um, so I You know what I did was I wanted something really simple for people to do. So I created a little prompt that people can use. And of course, AI may or may not know you, but you're still the boss. So if AI gives you something back that doesn't resonate with you, just tell it off and tell it to do something different. And I do also work with both ChatGPT and Claude and work them across each other. But here's what I came up with is I have a creative idea. I keep thinking about but haven't started. Ask me one question about it, then give me the smallest step I could take this week to move it forward. And that's something to just play with and see what kinds of responses you get. And this is a way to just get familiar with playing with AI. And by the way, I have cried with AI because it does create transformation just by reflecting your soul back to you. So, and my gift is I find that I'm offering— I work with changemakers visionaries and thought leaders who, to grow and expand and transform a business they've already created. So I'm offering a portal call, a free portal call, and this is an opportunity to explore what your, what your business might look like if you worked with soul. And it's Serena, it's tidykal.com/SerenaJoy/portal. And I would be delighted to connect with you and explore that further.

Perfect. Beautiful. The link will be in the show notes so people can grab that at any point. June, how about you? Takeaway and your— tell us about your, your free gift.

Okay, um, I'm gifting, uh, my Transology Self-Image Assessment. It's, um, a brief but powerful self-discovery tool. It has been designed to help us become more aware of how we currently see ourselves in 9 essential capacities, including Integrity, love, wisdom, courage, joy, trust, and harmony, authentic achievement, and authentic self-expression. Our self-image is something that influences our decisions when we are in relationships, with every opportunity that we either embrace or we avoid. So I hope that if you're interested in becoming more aware about yourself, then you will go in and take the self-assessment. And at the end of that, there is a 30-minute consultation that I will have with anyone that would like to understand it from a deeper perspective. As far as a tip, I think everybody has given them. My thing is, is the way I started, I started asking questions. And I would go in and just say, give me the definition of something. Anything that just starts you to interacting with it, and every day just keep doing something, and the next thing you know, you will be using it in in a lot of different ways. I know that for myself, there was a piece that I was writing, and I put it into chat, and I said, "I don't know where to go from here." And when y'all talked about the interview process, that is exactly what it came back and said: "I will be the interview." interviewer, you're going to be the interviewee. And it began with the questions, and it just laid out where I could answer those questions, and then I knew what I needed to write, and I could take it from there and move with it. So it's just get in and start playing with it.

Beautiful, beautiful. Tatiana?

Um, I would say a lot of screenshot. I think like Bill said, um, as far concentrate on one first if you don't want to get overwhelmed and learn how to use it. I'm a firm believer of screenshots. Like, if you wanted to analyze your website, if you wanted to analyze your social media, anything like that, do that. You know, just a lot of screenshots. That's usually what I do. And just, yeah, concentrate on one first. I think each platform is good at different things. So I do believe that Claude is really good at certain things that ChatGPT doesn't and vice versa. But if you don't want to get overwhelmed, then I wouldn't do all of them because I have them all. I have Gemini. I do think that if you want to create like images, I do believe Nano Banana Pro is a lot better. If you're going to video, then I think SeaDance and Kling is better. So it's a lot. It's a lot. AI is a lot. There's a lot of different components for that. So start with one, I would say. And for my free gifts, I do have prompts to create beautiful images for the ladies. Sorry, guys. Or I have 100 hooks to grow on social media as well.

Beautiful. Lovely. And Debbie?

Yeah, I would just offer this bit of advice to gather what AI can't already do. So to really start, I'm a big proponent of getting actual human words, like for one, what your ideal audience most wants for your business and to use it to reflect about yourself and to perhaps help you with some of that reflection. My gift is about uncovering your blind spots. Most of us have blind spots, including me. We all have blind spots in our messaging. And I walk through the 5 most common ones. And this is an assessment tool where it will ask you questions and you can walk through your own. And that you can get that at claritywinsclients.com/blindspot. And thank you so much, Karen. Beautiful.

Thank you all so much for joining us today on the Quantum Shift Podcast. You guys have been awesome. I'm going to be posting a link in the show notes Where all the lead, all the freebies that everybody and the contact information for everybody on the show has been. So all that you'll be able to connect with all of them. I hope this conversation has sparked something within you—a reminder that your story, your voice, and your purpose have the power to shift not only your your life but the world around you. If you're ready to unlock your potential and share your message in a bigger way. I invite you to connect with me at quantumshiftmedia.com. Together, we'll transform your story into impact, income, and inspiration for others. Until next time, keep creating, keep rising, and remember, every moment is an opportunity to make your own quantum shift.

Thank you, Karen.

Thank you, Karen.

Thank you.