Yaron Vorona + Joe Apfelbaum Chat about Public Speaking

A blessing. Wouldn't you say that, Yaron?

I would. Uh, it's full of these little moments of surprise and joy. I have this expression, um, coincidences are just God showing us that he's paying attention.

Yeah. Yeah. That's really powerful. You know, for me, every single time I speak to somebody on LinkedIn, I have the opportunity to connect and build a real relationship. For me, that's a total game changer. And I happen to have the privilege of being connected to 30,000 people. And many of the people that just get on a call with me, if they tell me they enjoy public speaking, I offer to put them on my LinkedIn Live, because if we're going to talk anyway, might as well have a couple dozen people tune in either live or later, maybe 1,000 people will see it. But the bottom line is like, why not have a conversation with someone you You told me earlier that you went to this Dale Carnegie course. Can you give me back what you told me? 'Cause that's such an interesting story.

Yeah, for sure. Um, so had just graduated, was in my first, uh, you know, individual contributor job. I thought I was combining tech and finance. I was essentially an accountant in a factory, but, uh, I had this opportunity to do some development. They sent me for the Dale Carnegie course. And it's where I broke through that fear of public speaking that I think everybody is often born with. And now I love it. And there really is the joy of being able to stand up in front of a group of people.

Like a whole audience, right?

And give yourself permission or even to find the joy in acting like a complete idiot.

Yeah. Yeah, and part of that is like, for me, sometimes I do stand-up comedy. Have you ever done stand-up comedy before?

Only to annoy my children in the car, but never actually on a stage with a mic.

Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so I've done stand-up comedy, and part of stand-up comedy is being able to bomb. You ever heard the term bomb? When I say bomb, I don't mean what happens in certain countries. I mean, I mean to totally And epically make a joke, hoping that everybody will laugh, and nobody got the joke. You didn't even get the joke because you're so embarrassed that it wasn't actually funny. Or worse, you have a bunch of religious Jews sitting in the back of a restaurant with fans blowing. Listen to this. With fans blowing. And so they could barely hear you. And you're in the front shouting. Making jokes and they're all just eating. They're eating barbecue rib steak and completely ignoring you. And you are trying to get their attention, trying to get them to lean in, and they're busy eating.

Did you try to use the classic comedy technique of repeating what you just said a second time, but louder?

But louder! I tried everything. And the guy that I opened for, Was Elon Gold.

Wow.

And he was so embarrassed.

Did he bomb or did he connect?

Um, well, he spent the first 5 minutes of his talk saying how terrible I was.

Okay, so that's a good— it's a perfect opening.

It's a perfect opening, but he's like, listen, you're an amazing, uh, motivator, an amazing professional speaker, but you're literally the worst comic ever. You totally bombed. Nobody laughed at his, like, you know, but I'm sitting there And I am, I am like mortified. I had the whole thing videotaped and I don't know what I do with the video. Somebody sent it to me on WhatsApp and I was like, it was the most embarrassing thing ever. But the beauty is that it helped me be able to not be worried about other people's opinions and just do my best and then figure out ways to be more like engage people more. Like my problem was, is that I'm up there and I'm already self-conscious because There's a bunch of Orthodox Jews eating food. And I'm not just having a conversation with them. 'Cause when I have a conversation with someone, 'cause the guy's literally a rib steak down his throat, you know what I mean? The guy's like sitting there like, ah, like that. And so I can't have a conversation with them. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm not even gonna be funny here. I'm not even gonna be funny. And so I'm in my head instead of just being present. I'm in my head. Even on LinkedIn Live right now, we're on LinkedIn Live. We're on Facebook Live. We're on YouTube Live. We're on Twitter Live. And later we're going to be on Google. We're going to be everywhere. It's going to be all over the place. If I was thinking to myself, who's going to watch this? What are they going to say? How many people are watching live? Did anybody engage? Did Yaron even repost it himself? Because I sent it to him in the DM. Does he even see that it's live? And will he like and comment on it himself? If I had all the thoughts going on in my head, I wouldn't be able to be present with you and it wouldn't be entertaining for the audience.

Am I supposed to look away from you now at my, at my LinkedIn to see what you sent me? Is there something I need to do?

I mean, if you want to, you could go into your LinkedIn right now.

Okay.

And I, and I can, while you're looking at your LinkedIn, I can show everyone what's going on on your computer. Would you like me to show everyone what's going on on your computer?

On my computer?

No, I just changed the screen to be your, your, uh, your LinkedIn. And so now your LinkedIn is showing instead of your face. And so if I open up, let's say for example, Evvy AI on the side of LinkedIn, And I wanna save you into Evie AI, I can simply just push this button on the side here. It'll check to see what tabs I have open. If I close the other instances of Evie AI, it'll check to see what tabs I have open and it'll say, oh, look, Yaron's over here. You see that? It pulled up your information here. Now, if I want, I can click on contact info and it might share some of your contact info and it'll share your birthday. That you're, you're, uh, you were born in the month that makes you a Cancer. Am I right?

Uh, you are. This is now on, uh, LinkedIn Live. I should be looking.

If you wanna look, you can see, because I'm not sharing my screen on— I could share my screen on Google too, so you can see my screen. Would you like me to share my screen on Google? And I'm just showing you that while you're looking away, I'm kind of hiding it. I'm hiding the fact that you're looking away and I'm just sharing the screen instead. You know what I mean? And so we can't— nobody can see us. I could make it so that everyone sees us, but you wanted to look away and see what's going on. So I'm showing your profile on LinkedIn. You see?

Now, hot tip for whoever tries this another time is when you do this, mute the tab because there's a delay from what you're saying. And then I hear you and then I hear you a second later on LinkedIn Live.

Amazing. Amazing. And that's fine. That's totally fine. But you don't have to hear me on LinkedIn Live. You could just mute that. Exactly. So that's, that, that was the tip. Okay, cool. So now what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go into here. I'm gonna look at your most recent posts on LinkedIn, and I see that you posted 8 hours ago. I'm gonna like the post. I'm gonna give it a light bulb, and then I'm gonna click into the post and I'm gonna draft a comment with Evvy AI. If I like the comment, I'm gonna delete this part because whatever, and I'm gonna tag you and I'm gonna say, really nice talking to you. You are awesome. Okay. So now I press over here, comment, and I just left you a thoughtful comment. You see? And it's related to the post. Most people never leave comments, but I leave comments all the time. Why? Because it's very easy for me to leave a comment. You see, I'm going to leave a comment on your most recent post, which is the LinkedIn Live. Wow. I'm so excited that we're here live today. If anybody's live with us, go ahead and leave a comment. Let us know what you do for a living. We'd love to connect with you. And then I go ahead and press comment. So Evvy AI allows me to be able to quickly leave comments wherever I want. I have a little box over here where I can choose any language. I can choose any LLM. I can choose my goal, my tone, my persona. I can say, make me the Evvy AI CEO, and then it makes me the Evvy AI CEO. So if I wanna leave a comment on anyone's posts, I can easily go ahead and leave a comment on anyone's post. I'll go ahead and find your other posts right over here. And I can leave as the Evvii CEO. I can go ahead and leave a comment. I could just push these buttons. It'll generate and insert the comment just like that. You see?

Very cool. So what, what is it that you want to change in the world through Evvii?

I wanna help people give people a voice. Most people don't have a voice. So let's say you sign into Evvii right now, and I'm, I'm showing your face right now. I, I sign into Evvii. And I don't have a voice. I'm not posting regularly. I'm not commenting regularly. I don't know any information about my connections. I haven't done any research on anyone. I don't have anything.

Yeah.

I go into Evie AI, I push a few buttons, and the AI agent starts researching me. It tells me what to speak to Yaron about. It tells me what he does, where he's been. It researches the entire internet, finds everything about you, every podcast you've been on. And it tells me everything about you, who your ideal clients are, what you're trying to accomplish. And then it also gives me your contact information, your email, your cell phone number, where your, your birthday, everything about you is there front and center. I can utilize that information to help me build a relationship so that I can have a voice and get referrals. It also writes my posts, comes up with my images, my graphics, my— so my goal is to help 1,000 consultants be able to have a voice on the internet. We work on Facebook, we work on Twitter, we work on LinkedIn, we work on YouTube, and we help you be able to have a voice, to have a tribe. You have thousands of connections on LinkedIn, but if I asked you which one of your connections do you actually have a relationship with, you might not even know. We have a technology that will help you segment your connections by sorting them, Labeling them and organizing them. And then so that you can network properly and help you identify which ones are your ideal clients and then enriching them so that you can be enriched yourself.

And so a year or 5 years from now, what does success look like for you with Evvii AI? Is it through Evvii AI that you reach what you term as success, or is it through something else?

I've already been very successful in my life. I've already gotten to certain levels of success in my business, with my family, with my kids.

You're already successful every day.

So I feel, I feel every day I wake up and I feel very successful. So I'm not like on a journey to like trying to get to success where I haven't been successful. But with that being said, I'm always striving to get to the next level. So for me, the next level is being able to impact Another 1,000 people and making people a lot of money. So when I work with somebody, let's say for example, a fractional CFO, an executive recruiter, a business coach, a life coach, a high performance coach, what I do for them is I give them a system called the networking system, and they generate $100,000 in profit because of the system. And when they do, they write me a testimonial on LinkedIn. Do you know how many people have written a testimonial on my LinkedIn profile? Can you guess? Some people say, some people have 30 recommendations. Some people have 40 recommendations. I mean, you're a pretty popular guy. You have thousands of connections. I looked at your recommendations. I was very impressed. You had 6. And the last one you got was in 2012. So it wasn't too long ago. So you're a very impressive profile, but most people, don't even have 3. So you're like double what most people have. The average CEO on LinkedIn has 930 connections. You have 3,784 followers on LinkedIn. That is beyond impressive. I'm being— I'm not being facetious. I'm being, I'm being honest with you. I'm telling you, that is impressive.

And Joe, just as an aside, most of those, not 100%, but most of those are all people That I've spoken with, and many of them I do have real relationships with.

Perfect. We will help you identify which ones you do and which ones you don't, and we'll help you monetize them and help you generate $100,000 in additional profit. So you're probably already very successful because you prepare deep tech founders for the CEO moment they can't delegate— the raise, the firing, the board fight. Serial founders and ex-VC that you are Helps from seed to Series B, and you're a dad and a venturer. So for me, seeing that, knowing that you're in Canada, understanding what you're about, understanding what you do helps me be able to say, it's not hard for me to be able to help you add $100,000 in profit in your business. It has to do with 4 things. I can tell you what they are if you're curious.

Please.

Number 1, it's strategy. You need to have the plan, the people, and the promise. 3 Ps. People say there's 2 Ps in a pod. I think there's 3 Ps in a strategy: the plan, the people, and the promise. The next thing you need is assets. You need to have your stories. Features tell, stories sell. You need to have the right presence, not just a LinkedIn profile, but one that speaks to your target audience. And you need to make sure you have the right systems, the right templates, the right Dream 100 list, the right li— everything. So for you, for example, I would give you the list of the 5,000 fastest growing companies in America if you work with American companies. Do you?

My clients are mostly Europe and US, surprisingly none in Canada. That's okay.

Perfect. So we have the list. We've been tracking the list since we've been on the list of one of the fastest growing companies in America. We attract the list since then. It's been 15 years. And every single year we put together the list and then we give it to our clients to be able to use the list. So 2 weeks ago, the 2026 Inc. 5000 list came out. We took the list one person at a time and we analyzed it. Each company, each of the 5,000 companies, we said, okay, what technologies does this company use? Who's the CEO? Who are the rest of their employees? What are their email addresses? What are their phone numbers? What are their LinkedIn? How many followers does the CEO have on LinkedIn? When was the last time he posted? And this we did for every single company on the Inc. 5000. Then after doing that, We put it available for our clients on a website where they can log in and see everything. And so imagine having a list like that of the 33,421 companies that have been through the Inc. 5000. And there were many more, there were like 80,000, but a lot of them have been there more than once. And we'll tell you every single year that this company was on the Inc. 5000 in the past 15 years. No one can do that. Even Inc. data doesn't have that data. They They only go back ten years, and if you get the ten-year data, you don't know who this who all the employees are in the company. And so you start need to start to get Zoom info, pay ten thousand dollars for that, and then get Apollo and get this and get that. We combine everything together. So instead of paying for all these disparate things, boom! There you go. There was a guy that was. Were you in the meeting? Were you in the Jewish tech meeting that we just had in New York?

I wasn't.

Okay. We just had this Jewish venture meeting. Are you in the WhatsApp group?

Mm-hmm.

Okay. So that's how you found me in the WhatsApp group. So anyway, so we had a meeting in New York and there were founders and there were investors and they came together. So there's one guy that's both a founder and an investor. And he came over to me and he said, Joe, I want to find companies that do DocuSign, that use DocuSign. Do you have any? So I met him and I showed him in my software where you can search people that have a certain software. There were 61,000 companies that use DocuSign that we have in our 480 million people database. That's pretty good. And he's like, oh my God, that's amazing. Can I have that list? I said, you become a customer, you get access to all 480 million people and all the companies and all the information and everything. He's like, wow, that's amazing. I love that. And so he's talking with his partner about becoming a comp— a client because we want to help him in his business be able to generate an extra $100,000 in profit.

Now there's a big step from data to building relationships. How does that happen?

Well, what we do with our clients is when they get our product called the Bundle Plus, we're bundling in training, we're bundling in data, we're bundling in technology, we're bundling in accountability. We meet with our clients every day, twice a day, 5 days a week. So we're live on Zoom. Our clients come in, and we show them what to do with the data. And then we give them the technology to make it easy. You saw how quickly I left a comment on your post.

Mm-hmm.

So if I gave you a list of 100 CEOs that you need to build a relationship with so that you can prepare the deep tech founders, those CEOs, and I told you, here are the CEOs that you need to build a relationship with, comment, post, DM, connect, text, email. I tell you exactly what to say and I give you all the things to say to them. And then you do it. And then you get on the phone with, let's say, 20 of them and you build the relationships and maybe you close 5 of them. And each one of those 5 CEOs pays you $20,000. You just made $100,000 in profit in your business from a clear strategy that I gave you, that I held you accountable with. And I sat with you an entire year. It didn't take you a year to do it. It took you 3 months. But then what you did was you went to my profile and you left me a recommendation. We still don't know how many recommendations Joe Apfelbaum has. So if you're watching this live, go to my profile, go to joelinkedin.com and check. They say never count your kids. So I don't count my recommendations. It's more than my kids. I have more recommendations than I have kids. Tell you that much.

Me too.

That's funny.

And, and so you say that you want to level up. What does the next level look like for you?

So for me, it's helping, making a difference, helping more people. So for me, it's workflows. Workflows, which means right now, a lot of the work that clients need to do, they have to do work.

Mm-hmm.

It used to be that they would have to write the post. Now the posts are being written for them. We have AI agents that write the post for you and post it for you. It used to be that you would have to write the post and you would have to manually post it. You no longer have to do that. I wrote up 45 different workflows that I want to implement. So for me personally, the next level up is you just coming in, signing up, paying money, and then having Oompa Loompas working for you. That's the next level. How do you like that? Wouldn't you like some Oompa Loompas jumping around and working for you?

I won't get into the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory labor rights issues. We'll leave that one alone. I guess between where you sit right now and that next level, what are you finding to be the biggest challenge that you're facing?

It's a combination of talent, finding really good talent. I would say that's it. All different.

We're here on LinkedIn Live. You've got it. I would say now to say what you need.

I would say, I would say your inbox to resumes. Yeah. I would say my inbox has always been open to resumes. Everybody knows that. So people that are really talented, so closers, openers, go-to-market developers, like people that are really smart in those worlds. And I interview people all the time. You know, I just interviewed a guy recently. He's like, look, Joe, I can use Claude Code to build everything for you. I was like, amazing. I would love for you to use Claude Code to build everything for me. What are you gonna charge me? He's like, I charge $5,000 a month to start. And then after that, da da da. I was like, so what are you gonna do? He's like, I'm gonna sit with you. I'm gonna hear everything you have to say, and then I'm gonna put it into Claude Code and build it for you. I was like, do I have to hear your accent? Do I have to actually hear your accent? 'Cause I'd rather just talk to Claude Code myself. He's like, but how are you gonna know how to get Claude Code to do it? I was like, I don't. Claude Code just does it. That's A. B, my entire technology is not vibe coded. I have zero code that's vibe coded in my technology. I know everybody's talking about how easy it is to vibe code. Yeah, go build something that thousands and thousands and thousands of people can use and that doesn't break, that people can use concurrently.

The cybersecurity guy in me is with the software bill of materials vulnerabilities that we're building into hopefully not critical infrastructure, but—

I mean, just, just go into GitHub and search API key, and you'll see how many API keys are being uploaded to GitHub every single day. Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

Yeah.

So, you know, all I tell people is the following. I say, I say, I say, if you're truly talented, reach out to me. Let's have a conversation. Worst case scenario, I'll get you clients. That's the idea.

That talent that you're looking for, do you— you listed a whole bunch of different roles and somebody interviewed and was going to vibe code everything for you instead of letting you do it. But I guess my question is, what is the challenge you're having in finding the right people?

It's just about finding the right people. I mean, I'm looking for executive recruiters that can help me as well. So if you know, do you know any executive recruiters that are really good?

Yeah.

Yeah. I would love to meet them and speak to them and show them how Evvy AI works because of 2 things. Number one is they have talent. Number 2 is they're my most ideal client. So I'd love to chat with executive recruiters. They are awesome. What about you? What would you say is your number one challenge right now?

I've been lucky enough to build my coaching business to where I get to be really selective with the clients that I engage with. I'm really looking for the people who are going about building that future of abundance for humanity. They're my point of leverage. Helping a founder or CEO You know, you said from seed to Series B, typically on either side of that Series A, helping those founders enable their teams, bring their vision into the world, and create— as one of my clients, I love this, he said he's got his, you know, his software reduces waste, creates profit for his customers, but really his goal is to create a workplace where people can do the best work of their lives. And I'm helping him to create that, and it's the greatest feeling. I know how an Olympic coach must feel when their athlete wins gold. They didn't do it, but that pride in helping somebody to succeed and bring their business, their their performance to the next level is the most gratifying thing in the world to me. I love that. And it's hard. Being a CEO is hard.

How many clients can you coach at the same time?

Uh, it depends. Uh, it depends on the level of engagement. I'm actually starting a cohort, uh, at the end of September for up to 6 founders on either side of the Series A working on leadership presence, whether it's heading towards a fundraise, making sure that you're showing up powerfully with the investors, creating the emotions that you need to create in order to induce people to act, to take action, or to scale up their leadership from being in the room, being the person building everything, to enabling their team succeed and being not the bottleneck, but allowing the company to scale without losing control.

Awesome. And what would you say in terms of like business development? What are the strategies that are working the best for you right now?

This.

Having conversations?

Having real conversations with real people. You know, AI, uh, I'm, I'm a big fan of Clogcode. I run a lot of my Uh, backend, you know, how I, uh, build out my marketing campaign. I'm not a marketing expert, right? Um, certainly specialist systems like Evvii AI can help to create even more value, uh, but for me, there's nothing that replaces a human soul touching another human soul, even if it's through a screen.

Do you think a human soul can touch another human soul through a screen?

Absolutely.

Why do you think that?

Because our words have power, and the way we express ourselves, the way that we listen to each other, and our authentic responses creates that connection.

Wow. Wow. It's true. You know, people say that through your voice, you connect through your soul because we're all vibrations. It's like, you know, your vibe attracts your tribe. So when you hear someone's voice and you hear their calling and you hear their emotion and they're either being authentic or not authentic, it has to do with their— are they being in love or are they being in fear?

Yeah.

And you can tell that by somebody's voice. That's why the universe has been calling me to do a podcast. I have a bunch of different podcasts I've done in the past and I kind of started, you know, it went off the rails. Now I had Claude Code build me a whole podcast. Isn't that powerful?

It is powerful. I think that the, there is so much that AI can do and, you know, there are AI coaches out there. I've tried them. I even, Claude Code coaches me sometimes. I'll ask it questions. It will ask.

It's, it's one thing. It's one thing to talk to Claude. Yeah. It's another thing to talk to Claude Code. It's a different world.

I've taught personas and things like that, but even then—

I'm not talking about personas. I'm talking about Claude Code. It's a different world.

And it's a different world entirely to talk to another human.

Correct.

You know, as, as a coach, people can ask me for advice. They can ask an AI for advice. Maybe the AI, AI will spit out exactly what I would say. Verbatim. It's possible, but the AI can't look you in the eye and see what's real for you, or hear the little tremor in the voice when you say, I'm great.

It's called— I call that body language.

It's body language, it's tonal language. And, you know, there are technologies that are working on doing live sentiment analysis and things like that.

Do you believe in all that? Do you believe in all that?

There are algorithms. Do I believe in it? Do you believe in golf? It exists. If it's effective or not is a different question, um, and we'll get there. And it's possible we'll get to a place where, you know, true general and artificial general intelligence exists. We're not there yet. Yeah, but Do you know what's really easy to do with an AI or a notification that reminds you to be held accountable is to dismiss it. It's really hard to just hang up on someone and say, yeah, no, you don't need that reminder.

Is it, are you saying that when somebody hires you as a coach that you can hold them accountable in a way that AI can't?

100%. What, what is something— let's do it right now, Joe. What is a goal that you have right now that you've been putting off?

I would say to go have dinner with my daughter in like 10 minutes.

Okay. And I could keep you on the phone for the next 10 minutes, but how can you commit to being at dinner with your daughter? Which, by the way, what's more important?

Just, just keeping a timer on. So I go to evyus.com/timer, E-V-Y-U-S dot com slash timer.

Yeah.

And then I click reset because it's on set 40 minutes and I'm going to click timer and then I'm going to click 10 minutes and I'm going to press start. And now there's a big fat timer on my screen. I'm going to put it up so everybody could see it. evyus.com/timer. We have a timer going right now. How cool is that? That we have a timer on LinkedIn Live. We'll make it pop out. I'll drop it down and make it pop out. Let's see if I can make it pop out. Look at that. I made a little tiny timer. So now we have a timer. Now we have a timer. Look at that. How cool is that? This way I smell it. I smell the food. My daughter's not sitting there waiting for me. I told her 10 minutes. So at least, at least I have a goal, right? What does success look like right now is having dinner with my daughter in 10 minutes. How cool is that?

And if the timer goes beep beep beep beep beep and we're in the middle of a really interesting riff, you might snooze the timer.

I'm not. I'm not going to snooze the timer. Worst case scenario, my daughter is going to bring me the food to my desk, but really I want to get up and go have dinner with her instead of eating at my desk and ignoring her. You know what I mean?

What is holding you accountable? Is it the timer?

The timer.

Or is it the human that's waiting for you and the other human who absolutely knows that there's nothing more important than the time we spend with our children? And so I'm going to make sure that you're off the phone, off this call, not within 10 minutes. You said it's 7:10. So that's in 6 minutes. I will make sure that you are off this call and hold you accountable to it.

Awesome.

Awesome.

What, what do you want to be held accountable to do?

I want to be held accountable to having at least 5 genuine human-to-human conversations within the next week.

Amazing. Amazing. We have a community with 1,900 people. So if you sign up to EvAI, you can join the community and you get to know people and we meet Almost every single day, there's a group of people that meet. So tomorrow is Thursday. Is tomorrow Thursday or tomorrow Friday? Tomorrow's Thursday. On Friday, there's a meeting tomorrow. There's a meeting on Friday at 11:00 AM. Everybody gets together. They all like and comment on each other's content, support each other, have conversations, whatever. So if you're looking for conversations, you might wanna attend the amazing community that we have, which might help you be able to get some more engagement on your content and support you in a meaningful way. What do you think of that?

I think that's a great idea. I'm gonna head over to evyai.com.

Exactly.

evyai.com.

evyai.com. You can check it out, enjoy it. We also have a great affiliate program 'cause you speak to a lot of founders every day. And so we pay 20% for 3 years. So that's an opportunity for you to be able to earn. And the other thing is, now that I know exactly who you wanna help and what you do, I'm gonna keep you in mind in my, in my networking. So this way—

I'll up-level that for you since you're so active on LinkedIn. Tag 5 founders, or if you feel uncomfortable doing that, here's what I'm going to do for you in particular, Joe. If you can, without telling me their names, think of 2 founders who are at that inflection point, As a gift from you to them, I will give them a 2-hour deep dive strategy coaching session.

Wow, that's so generous. That's so generous. Thank you. I will definitely, I will definitely, uh, find the right founders. And that is such a, such a generous thing. Thank you for that. And anybody watching this, anybody watching this, I want you guys to think about what he's doing right here. He's giving away thousands of dollars worth of value to be able to get 2 conversations with people that I think that are ideal, that he could really help, because he believes that by him adding a tremendous amount of value upfront to somebody, it could turn into an opportunity to help that person make an impact in the world. I'm not just gonna write anybody, any dumb person that I could find online that whatever. I'm gonna look for someone that he could really impact, cuz he doesn't just wanna work with anybody. He wants to work with the right founders that really want to make an impact, that really want to make a difference. And so I'm going to look for people that I met recently that I think he can help, that maybe have a similar vibe to him, and I'm going to introduce them. And then hopefully it'll turn into business for both of them and the world will become better. And that's, that's what I recommend that people do.

Thank you, Joe. It's 7:07. I'm really grateful for you introducing me to and through LinkedIn Live to your audience and helping. I'm grateful that I could have a look at how Evie AI is helping people just like me. So I'm, I'm so thankful for you taking this time and holding you accountable now, as only truly a loving human can do for another loving human. Go and have an amazing meal with your daughter.

Yay! I'm gonna go do that. All right. Bye everyone. Good to see you.