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A recorded Vedic-astrology analysis by Joni Patry of Charles Manson's natal chart and life. The speaker gives Manson's birth data (Nov 12, 1934, 4:40 PM, Cincinnati, Ohio), recounts his early abandonment and criminal history, summarizes the 1969 Manson murders and legal outcome, and interprets chart features (Aries ascendant; Mars conjunct Neptune in Leo in the 5th; Sun, Venus, Jupiter, Mercury stellium in Libra in the 7th; Moon conjunct Rahu in Capricorn in the 10th; Pancha Mahapurusha and Raja yogas; Kalasarpa yoga). The talk links these placements to themes of manipulation, cult leadership, fame-seeking, obsession, and lack of family security, and notes transits around his death (Jupiter return, Rahu/Ketu positions).
Questions this video answers
November 12, 1934
4:40 PM, Cincinnati, Ohio
November 19, 2017
Around August 8, 1969
Eleven people
Chapters
Hi, I'm Joni Petrie, and welcome to my YouTube channel. Today I'd like to talk about the life in the chart of Charles Manson, who just passed away on November 19th of 2017.
Charles Manson is known for the horrendous murders, the Manson murders that occurred around the end of 1969, around August 8th, he had.
Began, or he somehow instigated these murders through his cult leaders to fulfill what he had trained them to do. So he was the instigator of these murders, but actually he did not do them himself. So.
It was in the late 60s that he had this cult where they would take lots of LSD and he would empower these people to feel a sense of power through this cult, through the Manson family, as they called it. So he had these people come together with the sense of family and empowered them, made them feel special. And through this, they felt empowered. People that had no power about themselves had no family. And they felt connected to Manson in terms of a family. And through the use of drugs and a sense of empowerment, he had these people that surrounded him, that adored him. So Manson was able to manipulate and control their minds. So we're going to see through his chart how he was able to do this and what you can look for in a chart to see the mental instability and control now, going back to an early age.
Manson was at an early age in and out of institution correctional facilities when he was young, because at an early age, his mother abandoned him. His mother was a prostitute. Of course, he never had a father, and his mother was actually known to have sold him for a pitcher of beer.
And aside from that, what it feels like to never have a family, to never feel a sense of protection or love. This was at the forefront, the culprit of why many people do not feel a sense of connection or love or security. And people are constantly searching for that sense of connection to others.
So going back to these murders, as we go through his chart, I will give some renditions of some fascinating details that you probably didn't know about, about what happened throughout this.
So looking at this, let's just start looking at his chart, and I will unfold a lot of matters that pertain to this and were relevant in this process.
So let's put up Charles Manson's chart. Now, Charles manson's birthday was November 12, 1934. The time of birth was 4:40pm in Cincinnati, Ohio. He has Aries as his ascendant. Therefore, Mars is the ruler of his chart. So Mars becomes all powerful. And people with an Aries ascendant are pioneers or go getters. They're action oriented. So wherever Mars goes is very important. And his natal Mars is conjunct Neptune to the exact degree, 21 degrees of Leo in the fifth house. You so this Mars in the fifth house. The fifth house is the house of intelligence. It's the house of the mind. It's the house of those who give advice to others or advisors. So this is a very powerful Mars in the sign of Leo, which is the sign of leaders rulership, but it's conjunct Neptune. And Neptune is the planet deception, deceit, denial and illusions. So you can see how the ruler of the chart is delusional with Neptune in the house of the mind. And this is the kind of leadership that this person will bring about.
So looking at Neptune and Mars, they are in the sign of Leo, which makes the sun ruler of Leo, the dispositor of Mars, Neptune. And it disposits to his all powerful seventh house. The seventh house is the house that people can get other people to do things for them. So they're in a position where they lead others. And he has four powerful planets in the seventh house. He's got Sun, Venus, Jupiter and Mercury all in the sign of Libra in the seventh house. Remember, powerful seventh houses can get others to do your dirty work or do work for you. It doesn't have to be bad. But an example of somebody that has four powerful planets in the seventh house is Adolf Hitler. You can see that he got others to do his dirty work as well, such as Joseph Mengele, who really carried out a lot of the horrendous things that Hitler perpetrated or organized. So you're going to see that this is power. So going to his seventh house where he has Sun, Venus, Jupiter and Mercury, you're going to find that the sun is debilitated. So the planet that is the dispositor of Mars and Neptune is debilitated in Libra. So it's weakened in some respect. But you're going to find first of all that there are two major raja yogas in the seventh house. What is a raja yoga? It's a yoga of kings, people that have power. And so notice that the sun is ruler of the 5th, it is conjunct Venus, ruler of the 7th. Whenever you have a planet that rules a triconal house and an angular house or sometimes called Kendra house, then we have Raja Yoga, which means power.
So the triconal houses are 1, 5 and 9, and the angular houses are 1, 4, 7 and 10. And whenever you have two planets that rule one of each, you have Raja Yoga, Venus, ruler of the seventh, an angle sun, ruler of the fifth, a Trine Raja Yoga empowerment. And through empowering others, being in the seventh house, you have Jupiter, ruler of the ninth, a Triconal house with Venus that rules the seventh house. Once again, this is another Raja Yoga, Yoga of Kings.
Another powerful yoga that is here in the seventh house is the fact that he has Venus in an angle in its own sign. This is one of the Mah Purusha Yogas. Pancha Mahapurusha Yogas means five yogas of great men.
So the Pancha Mahapurusha yogas are the planets when they're in an angular house called a Kendra.
And they are either in their own sign of rulership or exalted. That's the requirements. So Venus is in an angle. Remember, the angular houses are 1, 4, 7 and 10. And it's in its own sign of rulership. So this is one of the Mah Purusha yogas. And they can only involve either Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter or Saturn. These are the only planets that make up the five of the Pancha Mahapurusha yogas. So Venus, whatever. Whenever you have this whatever planet, what it represents will be stamped all over that person's life. And they are the essence of what that planet is about. Venus in Libra is musical, artistic talent. And when Venus is in an air sign such as Libra, that's strong, it usually is musical. And what you're gonna find is that Charles Manson always wanted to be a rock star. And he actually had some great dealings with one of the Beach Boys, Mike Love. So he and Mike Love.
Actually cut some songs together. And what they did was they would have wild and crazy parties at their manager's house.
What happened was they made some songs, and Mike Love, one of the original founders of the Beach Boys, said, hey, he's really good. Let's do some stuff with him. But the manager said, absolutely not. I don't like this guy. And they were using his house for a lot of these wild parties and recordings. So Charles Manson had these aspirations to be a star, but Terry Melcher, which was the Beach Boys manager, he said no. So Charles Manson headed out for Terry Melcher. And let me tell you something about Terry. His mother was Doris Day, one of the famed movie stars of the 60s. She was a bright, shining star with Rock Hudson, did tons of movies.
But she was very. She was very pure. She didn't drink. She was always so optimistic and Very religious. But she told her son, Terry.
I have had a powerful premonition about your house. You have to move. There's something wrong. I don't know exactly what it is, but you've got to leave. And Terry, respecting his mother, did.
So. You see, these Manson murders actually occurred to people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time, because.
Sharon Tate and her husband, Roman Polanski, had just bought that house and right after Terry had moved. And this is where all the recording and the parties went on, because Manson thought Terry still lived there, and he was going after the Beach Boys manager because he had a vendetta out for him. So it wasn't even meant to happen to Sharon Tate, because these Manson murders, which killed nine people very violently. Sharon Tate was nine, was eight months, almost nine months pregnant with a newborn baby. And she begged for her life. And they repeatedly stabbed her heartless and murdered all of these people that were gathering over with Sharon Tate while Roman Polanski was on a trip.
Jay Sebring, which was her hairdresser and her fiance from before, and Abigail Folgers in Different House, was killed in two separate nights. But what Charles Manson did was he orchestrated this horrendous thing to get back at Terry, but at the same time, he was convinced of these incredible race wars that he thought were imminent and happening. And this was the culprit of a lot of political things behind what he did. Helter Skelter, which was about these prominent race wars that were happening in the late 60s. And they took the blood of these victims and wrote pigs and Helter Skelter all over the walls. Nobody knew what this was about. And everyone was in drastic fear.
When it was all over, Charles Manson went to be a rock star, that he had this vendetta, anger, and killed all these innocent people being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
And got other people to carry out his dirty work for him. He didn't even do it. So another thing, you may not know Charles Manson, when he was found guilty, he was given the death sentence. And a month after, California changed their laws, where they no longer gave death sentences, so he wasn't to be put to death and he just got a life sentence. And Sharon Tate's sister has appeared in court every year to prevent him from being released every time his parole comes up.
So this is a part of some of the background you may not have realized with all of this. But looking at this, going back to his chart, the Raja Yogas, we have to really understand.
What it is with his mother, because this was really at the culprit of why all this happened. So going back to understand his past and his mother, you must always look at the fourth house. The fourth house is the mother going to the fourth house. You see Ketu in the fourth and it's in the sign of cancer, which is the sign of family. Ketu being in the sign of family disturbs family. And when you see wherever Ketu is, it means something's missing, something's lost. And this is how he felt about his family and his mother. He never had protection, security or love. And this was a part of what the derangement was about. Now notice the fourth house ruler which is the moon. And and this further represents the mother and the moon all by itself, regardless if it rules. The fourth house is the mother. Notice its placement in the tenth house in Capricorn. I might add. Moon in Capricorn can make a very detached mother ruled by Saturn, but it is with two first rate malefics. It's with Rahu and the moon and it is in Capricorn and Saturn. My God, Saturn is all powerful by being in an angle in its own sign. Another Mahapurushi yoga which this one's called Asasha Yoga. Venus being in the seventh house representing all of his creative charm, eloquence and power is called a Malavaya Yoga. So he's got two of these Mahapurushi yoga, Saturn and Venus. And I might go back and mention one powerful thing about his Venus. Remember he was a singer and a musician. Venus ruler of the second house which rules the voice is all powerful in that Malavaya yoga of creativity in the second house that he empowered and got other people to do his work. This is Venus ruler of the second. They listened to his voice, plus he was a singer. And don't forget the other planet in that seventh house is Mercury. His communication skills, Mercury is with Jupiter. And it's all about his spiritual thoughts and trying to get everyone to think about world and humanity, which it was really an ulterior motive that he had underneath it all for his own claim and power, which when you go to the 10th house, again looking at Moon Rahu, he wanted to be famous. Moon in the 10th represents fame. Moon with Rahu, it represents his fame and him being in front of everyone. So Moon Rahu's extreme fame, but what he's famous for may not be the thing he wants to be famous for, but going to that stellium, which means three or more planets together in a house in the seventh House is his power to control others through his voice and communications. But going back to his 10th house where he has the moon Rahu, Saturn, now this is actually all powerful. And when you see that he also with this Sasha yoga, meaning Saturn becomes all powerful, controlling, manipulative, organized, focused. But he has a Kalasarpa yoga and that means all the planets are on one side of Rahu and Ketu. Now this excludes the outer planets of course, but looking at this, you're going to find that this Kalasarpa yoga is so powerful because it intensifies all the other yogas when you have this yoga and it represents great extremes of highs and lows. So looking at this Kalasarpa yoga, you're going to find that Saturn at 28 degrees, Rahu at 11 exactly conjunct the moon. And when you have the tightness of an orb, of a conjunction matters. Remember, he's got Neptune exactly conjunct Mars and he's got moon exactly conjunct Rahu. And the moon is the mind and it is the mother. So he has these obsessional qualities of Rahu moon of obsessions, compulsions, and it's out there in the world to see in the 10th house. But he also has the Kalasarpa yoga. And notice that Saturn at 28 degrees and Rahu at 11 because the nodes travel backwards. Rahu's already crossed over Saturn, so it is in the back of Saturn. What does that mean?
It's burnt, it's ruined, it's dried up. So even though Saturn has the Sasha yoga and power, Saturn is weakened by this considerably and it's caused most of his problems, most of his problems by the Saturn being burnt in the 10th house. So moving on, looking at this, I want to talk about.
Where he's going with this because this is obviously with Rahu moon, an obsessional nature of the mind, which the moon is the mind and the loss of never being protected with security of the mother, that's what you see with this. So moving on, during the time of these horrendous murders which happened August 8, 1969.
He just entered his Jupiter Maha Dasha. Now looking at Jupiter in the seventh house, it doesn't make that much sense. But therefore here's where you go with it. You look at the Navamsha chart to see further reference of the second part of life and where the chart is taking you. Because the Navamsha chart.
Is the fruit of the tree. Will what's promised in the Navamsha, I mean in the birth chart, produce its Results, it's seen in the Navamsha. And notice in his Navams he has Ketu, Mars and Neptune in the fourth house. This is the house of the heart and soul, protection, security, he had none. And there was this crazed mind and opposed, opposed this Ketu, Mars, Neptune in the fourth house in the Navamsha is the moon rahu in the 10th. Once again, here is the fame, here is the reference to being in front of the public eye. Moon Rahu stays in the 10th house in the Navamsha.
But during the time of these heinous murders, Jupiter, he went into Jupiter's Maha Dasha. It's in the eighth house in the Navamsha, very powerful because this was the trend of death and change and difficulty throughout the next 16 years that he just entered into this Maha Dasha. And to further get a little further reference, always remember, when you're looking at a birth chart, don't forget to look at things from Chandra Lagna, making the moon the ascendant. So looking at his going back to his birth chart from Chandra Lagna, the moon, his Mars, Neptune go to the eighth house from his natal moon. That's significant because the eighth house is the house that can deal with addictions and obsessions as well and death. And that's where he went with it. Do you realize that he not only killed these nine people in the summer in August of 1969, but he was, he was also.
He accused and sentenced for killing two other people before that. So he killed in total, murdered 11 people. Maybe not with his own hands, but he was the culprit and the reason why. So going to the last final days of his life, he was in Mercury, Jupiter's Maha Dasha, which is the last phase of Mercury's Maha Dasha. So, so looking at that.
He has Mercury and Jupiter conjunct in the seventh house. The seventh house is a Marika house. The Marika houses are two and seven. Marika means killer. And when someone dies, you will find that they are usually in the Dasha of two of these planets that are relative to the seventh house, either in the seventh or the second house, or ruler of the second and the seventh house. And both his Jupiter and his Mercury are in his seventh house. But interestingly enough, at the time of his death, which was around November 19th of 2017, transiting Jupiter was exactly on his sun.
Excuse me, it was exactly on his Jupiter approaching his son. So all these planets in the seventh house transiting Jupiter was there, but it was exactly. He had a Jupiter return, Jupiter on Jupiter. So this could have been an indication of the finality of his suffering in this life, this horrendous ordeal. So.
He was released from the torture of this life. But notice that transiting Rahu and Ketu, going back to that transiting Ketu was in his 10th house, just crossed over his Saturn, which was burnt from being burnt in the tail of Rahu, the Kalasarpa yoga and Rahu. I mean, yes, Rahu. And in Cancer in his fourth house, which is the end of life. So you can see that these transits of Rahu in Ketu were really what took him out. But the transit of Jupiter was very interesting to release someone. Jupiter is commonly in death charts, most common of all because it's a release of this world. And so really going back to give a full analysis of what this is all about, you can see in this chart the representation of a cult leader. Someone that is consumed with the mind and able to empower and take control of others. By the 7th and this 10th house, you see people who are obsessed with cult leaders. They empower other people that are powerless, that they make them feel special, they make them feel connected where they felt disconnected in their life. They have no sense of family, and all of a sudden they feel connected and they feel empowered. This is what cults are all about. And this, by going back and analyzing and looking at the chart of Charles Manson, can give us a better reference point. Because Rahu and Ketu right now, as they stand in the year 2017 and 18, Rahu being in the sign of cancer, represents family. So there's going to be more of a pull towards cults because people feel separate from this connection. And these are things such as Isis, things that people feel a connection and are empowered through others that have this ability to empower and make other people feel special. So you're going to see more cults and more things coming about in the next few years. So with this analysis of Charles Manson's chart with, we can better see what's at the culprit of cults and better prevent them coming about again.
So with that, I'd like to close. If you would like more information in a transcript on this analysis, you can go to my magazine, which is.
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