👨‍🏫 Guest Masterclass: Live Hot-Seat Coaching w/ Joe Hudson

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And then let's invite the people.

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Hello. What's going on there? Hi, Quinn. What's your. What's your baby's name? Or your. Your toddler's name?

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Can you say hi? You can say hi now.

Hi. Hi.

Good morning, everyone. Lovely to see your faces. I will start in a minute or so. In the meantime, if you'd like to hear how you're feeling in three words in the chat, what is alive in your body?

Matia, are you in Panama with a headband on? Oh, yeah, It's a headache. I'm sorry. Okay.

All right, well, welcome, everyone. I am super excited for today's session. Let me spotlight some people.

Yeah.

So I think a lot of you know who Joe Hudson is already, by way of a brief introduction. He was a former vc. He's currently an executive coach and co creator in the art of accomplishment, which I just absolutely love what you guys do. I think I've mentioned many times I'm like a big fanboy. I've listened to pretty much every podcast episode that you guys have put out. It's so complementary to what we're doing here with nervous system mastery. And I also love the courses you guys do. I've done the connection course and the Great decisions course. Um, and I believe you guys have one coming up in. Is it end of April is connection course.

And then I think it's middle of April. I think it's like six. Sarah, do you know 16, 17, something like that?

I'm sorry, I was reading all of the beautiful messages in the chat and not paying attention at all. What was the question?

When is the connection course sign up finished?

Ah, that's going to finish on April 18th is the registration closing date. And our kickoff is going to be on April 22, and it's going to run through May 6, technically May 10, because that's the Q and A with you at the very end, Joe.

Great.

Okay, beautiful. So, and that's. I just shared a link in the chat as well, which has more information about art of accomplishment, links to the podcast and the courses as well. Just letting some people in from the wedding room. Okay. And then so a brief, brief overview of today's session. We'll start off with a couple of, like, intellectual questions, and then I'll invite you guys into the hot seat.

And.

We will kind of go from there and see. See how it unfolds.

Okay.

I'm just going to close the waiting room here.

All right. Okay.

Well, before we dive in, everyone get nice and comfy in your seat. Have a good stretch.

Serving Brian.

And just take a moment to tune into your. Into your body. You can close down the eyes, if that feels good, and tune into whatever sensations might be present, whatever's alive for you right now. And if you like, you can, like, expand your awareness to the space behind you, the sides of you, feeling your butt on the seat, feeling your feet on the floor, aware of the space above you.

But I found bread in the. In the freezer, and I made my.

And from here, let's receive. Receive a full breath through the nose and just let out a sigh. Inhale. A couple more. Inhale. Last one. Biggest breath of the day. Inhale. Okay. And opening up the eyes, coming back into the space. All right, Joe, welcome.

Good to be here, man.

Great to have you back. So I. I thought I'd start off with a question for you in the beginning, which I think might help to hopefully set the stage for. For the coaching to come as well. And this is something I'm also. I'm also curious about how. How you think about this, too. And the question is, you've done so many of these coaching sessions at this point. What have you seen to be some of the. Some of the factors or some of the variables which make the difference between people that experience kind of big shifts during a session versus those who just have a conversation? What do you consider might be helpful for people to be 10% more receptive both in this session with you and also outside in life more generally? How can someone open themselves up to be a little bit more receptive to meaningful change and transformation?

Yeah, the. The. I would say the. The willingness to embrace the intensity or welcome intensity is the biggest leading indicator of transformation. So if someone comes up here and they're walled off, like, they're not willing to feel into their own intensity, whether that's joy or sadness or just a. Or whatever it is inside of them, if they're not willing to embrace that, the intensity in the moment or the intensity of a thought, then it's going to be a different. A different coaching session than folks who are actually willing to face. You could call it embracing intensity because that's the movement, but it's really just facing what's actually occurring. But usually it's the intense parts that we don't welcome.

And, and what gets in the way of embracing intensity.

Whole bunch of things can get in the way of it, but the. And I can go through those. But just to keep it simple, if you try to take Care of all the things that get in the way of it. It, it can actually take you away from the intensity itself. So the simplest thing to do is just feel where the intensity is and allow yourself to your awareness to rest there. Things that can get in the way of it, usually, especially in a coaching session like this, it's identity. It's folks who have a very strong identity as broken or, or, or screwed up or one way or another way, and so they have a hard time, you know, allowing the sensations that would indicate something different. A great example of this, like, just so people can feel it, is somebody gives you a compliment and like, do you actually feel the entire compliment and let it tickle you and move through you or you're like, oh yeah, cool. Or that only happens sometimes or oh, that's no, I don't, you know, know. Are you calling the person giving you a compliment a liar? Are you actually feeling the stuff that wants to be felt? If someone gives you the compliment is a great indicator of somebody who's like, deciding that they, they can't be the way that somebody else sees them or that they can't allow for that part of their personality to be, to be seen by themselves. So that's one, one of the things that can really prevent it. And the other thing that really prevent, I would say one of the other big things that really prevent somebody from allowing themselves to embrace the intensity is that they think it's going to destroy them in some way. You know, people get taught at a young age not to be sad. And so our mind comes up with ideas like, oh, if I'm sad, I'm going to be sad forever. If I'm angry, I'm going to destroy everything I love, or if I'm, or I'm going to be abusive, or if I'm scared, I'm going to become incapable, or if I get excited, everybody, I'm going to lose control or, you know, there's all sorts of things and, or if I, if I feel satisfied, I, I, I won't get anything done in my life. And so, and so they'll have some sort of idea, they have some thought process of what it means to allow themselves to feel some intensity. And they don't actually explore it for themselves. They just kind of stick with the idea of it.

Okay, beautiful.

Thank you.

Well, that feels like a nice transition point to shift into some of the, into the coaching.

If.

Does that feel good?

Yeah.

Okay, great. Sarah, do you have anything to add to this? I'm just going to let our Puppy in, who's making some sounds at the door.

Sounds good. Please let the puppy in.

Yes.

Hi.

So we're going to be doing the one on one rapid fire coaching sessions. Now a couple things I want to flag for you. One is that Joe does not read the chat. I will be reading the chat, but Joe does not read the chat. Johnny will call on you and bring you up and spotlight you and Joe will move through the session. During that session, we ask that the chat stays quiet. And there's a couple of reasons that we do this. Number one, it is distracting for others who are witnessing the session and for the person who is going, going through the session. But number two, also, the chat is a great way to kind of remove ourselves from the emotional experience that's happening. And oftentimes, especially if there's a subject that really resonates with you, the chat can be this fantastic little escape hatch that we use. So we just ask that you sit with them through the session. Any messages of support are fantastic for the person to receive after their session. So you can go ahead and just hold those and then in between one on one sessions, please do pop them into the chat because for the person who's just gone through, it's lovely to receive all of those messages of support.

Yeah.

I'll give one more warning is that I. If you haven't seen a coaching session with me, I interrupt like it's because we have a very short period of time. It's, it's a. I don't want to call it aggressive, but just know that it's not going to be like a normal conversation. I'll interrupt you and I'll pick out little things that I see. So if you, if you, if that might offend you, I would wait and watch a couple of them before you raise your hand or before you say yes to, to Johnny.

Beautiful pointer.

Okay, beautiful. Um, and excuse me. And if you guys could all keep your audio on mute as well, that would be definitely appreciated. Okay, so let me just. John, are you in the room? John and Nolan.

Yeah, I'm.

Hey.

Oh yeah, I see you there.

Are you.

I'm telling you who to call me.

First up for jump for jumping on.

Sure.

Thanks.

Cool.

I have no idea what to expect just for fl.

I'll just take myself off spotlight as well. Okay, cool. Well, I'll let you guys take it away.

Hey, John, nice to meet you.

Likewise.

Where are you located at the moment?

I'm in Nassau in the Bahamas.

Oh, right on.

Nice.

So what's your question?

Well, I was talking to John about this yesterday and I was saying I didn't have necessarily a formulated question. Exactly. And he said that's fine and let you do your thing and greatness would probably unfold. If there's anything I can describe that would feel helpful, I'm happy to do that.

Yeah, whatever is closest to the question that you have would be great. I have no, I haven't read anything, so I. I don't read it. I just want to hear it from you.

Yeah, I guess I'm not sure what my question is. Maybe I could tell you the reason I'm doing the NSM course is a very stuck point in my life. Going through a pretty painful divorce. And my company has grown from a small bootstrapped venture that was explicitly designed to give me the life I wanted into something that is getting a lot larger than I had planned for, maybe. And a lot of that is leading to feelings of overwhelm. And that's not something I'm used to. I'm usually pretty competent, very competent in high stress, high pressure. But for the last six months or so, I've been far beyond my limit.

What makes it. What makes it that your question isn't how do I work with the overwhelm? What makes that not the question?

Maybe the overwhelming leads me not to know what the question should be. It's just the self perpetuating cycle.

Okay. How. How close to the question is it? Is that the question? Like how do I work with this overwhelm? Or.

I think so. I. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is how to get unstuck. I feel very stuck.

Oh, okay. And what's the stuff? What I mean, okay, so that's great. You're not stuck in a marriage and you're. And your company is growing. What is it that's stuck? What's. What's the stuck part?

Kind of stuck in the marriage. Divorce seems like it might take years and I have no ability to influence it. And I feel like I have some idea of some of the changes I need to make at work, but the prospect of making them, I don't feel like I have the emotional or psychological capacity to deal with it. Feels like it will increase the amount of stress and difficulty to make those changes.

Yeah. So what is it about.

How, like.

How could you say you have no ability to influence the divorce? Like right now you could say, here's all my money and I'm gonna, like, all I'm keeping is this shack and enough for beer and, and Rice for a year. And that would totally influence the, you know, you have five minutes to sign the papers. That would influence the divorce. Like, what makes you say that you have no ability to influence the divorce?

I guess you're right. I have some ability.

I don't need to be right. I'm asking you, what made you said. What made you say I don't have the ability?

It feels like short of an extreme like the one you just described, there isn't any alternative path. And to go to that extreme, take all my money, I'll live in a shack. Feels like being taken advantage of and walked all over, which is perpetuating a cycle that I'm trying to get out of rather than repeat.

Right. So then how much difference would your divorce be if you just never spoke to her again, let the lawyers do everything, or if you, like, wrote her, like, longing, I love you and I want you to come back to me. Letters every day. How much different would your divorce be?

I'm kind of already doing the first one, so I guess not. Not that different.

I'm saying, between the two, if you did it one way, if you did it another way, how much different would your divorce be?

I don't know.

Different. Same. Same outcome, same time frame, everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what. What is it. What is it that makes you. What is it that makes you feel like you can't make a difference in. Without, like, a horrible consequence in your life? So the thing that I'm seeing is like, oh, I could change my business, but it'll be stressful. Be horrible. I could change the divorce, but it'd be horrible. I'd be taken advantage of. Like, what makes it that everything that you. That every. Any way that you could see that you influence it would be a horrible result or neutral or just be nothing. You'd get no result.

I'm not sure, but it's. There's definitely.

If you had to guess.

I think there's a feeling of being constantly over capacity and taking actions that will result in more being asked of me. Feels like I'm barely hanging on by a thread, and that thread will be broken.

What makes the thread not broken? By getting called up here and talking to me. This is more.

Oh, believe me, this is. This is on the edge for me right now.

Yeah, yeah, but where is the string breaking?

No, not. Not yet.

What I notice is your face is getting red and something, like, is happening. And it tells me that there's something in your. Like you're holding something back. If you weren't holding something back. Like, if you didn't give a. About the consequences between you and I in this group, what would you say to me right now?

I. I honestly don't know.

Okay. So do you.

I don't feel like I'm holding back for fear of being watched, if that's. If that's what you mean.

Yeah. So do me. If. Oh, okay. So you do know.

No, I saying I don't. I don't feel like it's a fear of spot that's making me hold something back. Yeah.

Okay. So something I noticed is you keep on looking to your head for answers. What if you ask your heart the question? And I know that sounds weird, but literally just don't. Don't think for a moment just actually ask your heart. Like you could even put your hand on your heart and just. And just ask the question. Let's. Let's ask a slightly different question. What's the. What's making you feel stuck right now?

What's. What's coming up is lack of. Lack of control. But I don't know what that means really.

Yeah. Also is coming up as sadness.

Yeah.

Yeah. So how. How much of your not knowing is just the. Trying to avoid the sadness or trying to figure out like right there you're doing it. How much of that trying to figure out that you just tried? Yeah. Yeah.

Probably a good amount.

Yeah. And what's wrong with being sad? I. I like being sad with you right now, just to be clear. Ah. Get the. Out of your head. Yeah.

I don't think there's anything wrong with. Just feels like it's been such a long time. I don't know how much more sadness I can feel before it's time to feel something else.

When have you allowed your sadness to be felt without that thought? Like, when is this going to end? When have you allowed the sadness without the when is this going to end? Or this should be ended or this should be gone?

Quite a lot. I've put quite a lot of intentional time into that. Into feeling through it and letting go of the David Brooks book.

Yeah. And what. And. But. But somehow the. The overwhelm had. It doesn't help with the overwhelm. The moving. The sadness hasn't helped with the overwhelm. Yeah. And how. How.

How.

How have you. How angry have you gotten?

A lot.

Yeah. How is that. Tell me how that's moved.

I don't really. I don't think it has moved. I feel like anytime I feel like I'm not allowed to express it and if I do. There's always.

Great. You're totally allowed to express it right now. I give you full permission, and we can do it this other way. Hey. Anybody? Everybody? Who, who, who, who? I would like everybody to raise their digital hand to give permission for anger to move and didn't even have to. Right. And we all know that the anger isn't truth. It's just anger moving to get to the truth. So whatever you say isn't. We're not going to think that it's true. We're just knowing that it's anger getting through your system. I see what's happening. Do you see this? All these people are like, yeah, we want your anger. I want your anger.

I don't know if how it. If I know how to summon it. Feels like it.

Oh.

Situation.

I gave everything I could give, and you still divorced me. And you took advantage of me. You always wanted something else from me, and it was never enough for you. I don't know if that's the truth of your situation, but something like that. So the trick is, you're going to release the anger. You're just not going to stop for like, two minutes. You're just gonna get angry for, like, two minutes. Or you can stay overwhelmed.

I don't know if I feel like I can authentically release anger without it being performance.

It doesn't need to be authentic. It can be. Performance art still works. Yeah.

I don't know if that works for me.

How would you know? You don't have to do it. Just to be clear, you don't have to do it. But if you don't want to run the experiment, and that's totally fine. But how would you know the experiment doesn't work if you don't run it?

I'm not sure I was making a claim about whether the experiment works. More about what feels true to me in this moment and to my emotions. And to pretend to be angry or.

To.

Try and conjure up angry things on the spot doesn't feel authentic. And that feels important to me.

Okay. What I can tell you is that that's a fine choice. And we'll. And I'll. And I'll move on. Know that having done this, like, hundreds of times with folks, stuckness is almost always repressed anger. So if it doesn't feel good to you now, and. And most likely the. The anger is not moving in your situation because either you had, like, a father or mother who was very angry, and you saw that as something that would. Yeah. Okay. So. And so typically, in Your mind. Anger has been bad because it's been used as a force of a way of control, and it's something that you swore you would never do without that anger movement. The boundaries for your wife haven't happened. The boundaries in your business haven't happened. So anger is actually just like a very deep care. We don't get angry about things that we don't care about. And I'm never suggesting getting angry at anybody, like yelling at somebody or making them deal with your anger like you had as a child. And usually that need for control is because you had a chaotic childhood with a lot of anger in it. So that need for control is there. But when you allow yourself to move that anger, boundaries show up and things get very crystal clear. And you'd stop worrying so much about the consequence, because the consequence you're mostly worried about is that you'll be more angry. More out of control equals more anger. And the. And the consequences if it goes on too far, if it hasn't already happened, is typically depression. So long, long breaks of depression. So the having done this with hundreds of people, that's my experience of it. I have some podcasts you can listen to, but you got to do it when you're ready. But just know I. I cannot tell you enough how much it changes, but I'm absolutely in no way want to force you into doing it.

Any recommended listening or reading material on that front that I could.

I have three podcasts on anger, three podcasts on anger that. On art of accomplishment. But this is not a head thing. It's a. Works best if it's your whole body, your voice, your whole nervous system. All of it's engaged.

Thank you.

Yeah, you're welcome. Of course. Course.

Okay, beautiful. Thank you so much, John. And can everyone give John some love in the chat as well? That was a. That was a brave thing to do. Oh, beautiful. And, Katie, if you are ready in.

This moment.

Feel free to unmute yourself and say, hi.

Hello.

I can't see you yet, Katie.

Oh, here we go.

Oh.

Hi, Joe. Thank you so much for being here. I'm a fan of your work.

Oh, good, I'm glad.

And that's why I'm also so nervous right now.

Tell me you have a question. Do you have a question?

Oh, my gosh, I have so many questions, but I'm gonna try to just stick to one.

Okay.

So I. I intellectually understand, you know, the things, but I have a really hard time feeling, like, the emotions and things, and that's.

That's a Heck of a story. I've seen. You had three emotions since I've. I've. You're nervous, You've announced that you're nervous. You're. You have clearly have a lot of excitement and there's a lot of joy in you. All of this is moving. So tell me what you mean. You have a hard time feeling emotions.

Sure, sure. So I do think that it is usually mostly anger, anxiety and fear that I feel strongest because those have been modeled the most for me growing up and recently have just realized that I haven't felt safe feeling or expressing emotions growing up. So I'm wondering now, like, I'm, I'm actually really empathetic to the point of like I get sucked into other people. Like I'm still recovering from John's session, but when it comes to feeling my own, I feel like there's like such a great disconnect, especially to the more positive type of emotions.

Wait, so you're saying that you have access to anger and sadness and fear, but you have a harder time with the positive emotions?

More so I think even with like anxiety and fear and sadness and things, I still don't feel like I fully feel them. I'm starting to discover a little bit more depth to it going through this cohort. But yeah, it is more the positive ones that I struggle with.

Harder. Strike. So what happens when, when you get a positive emotion and what do you do? How do you stop it?

I've always kind of felt like I'm a robot where events that are supposed to be really exciting, like graduations and things, I'm like, yeah, I'm cool about it. This is nice.

I see.

And other people are like, yeah, throwing up their hats and stuff. And I'm just like, I'm. Yeah, this is a good thing.

Yeah, obviously. What's the, what's the biggest thing in your life you've accomplished?

I have a 21 month old son now, so keeping him alive, this, it's.

A pretty good one.

Thank you.

Yeah, I bet there's more than keeping him alive. Tell me about, tell me about like three things that you've done that make you a great mom.

I breast. Breastfed him this whole time, which has been quite the journey. Yeah, I am more aware of. I'm more mindful of my own emotions and kind of like family traumas that I'm really trying not to pass on to him. And I feel like I've been pretty good about that.

So you. Do you notice that you get more subdued as you're talking about your. About the things you've done. Like, you were like. And then you started to like.

I'm also in my head still, of course, in my head, battling thoughts of what I've not done.

Well, yes.

That's like. I'm searching for the little things I'm doing.

Well, yeah, yeah, exactly. So somehow I'm not sure if it's, like, all positive emotions as much as there's this thing, because I see the reason I say it is because I see joy in you. I see excitement in you in the way that you're talking. But what I also see is that somehow or another, you were told that you're not really actually allowed to celebrate how awesome you are, and that anything around that creates a lot of shit. So I want to investigate that a little bit. So I'm going to ask anybody who knows Katie enough to give her a compliment, like a heartfelt accomplishment. Could you raise your hand? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Katie, your job is you're gonna receive this compliment, but you're gonna actually let it, like, go all the way through you. That's the physical feeling of it. Right? So you know when you're breastfeeding and you're. And you're like. And you're trying. And you're, like. You're a little bit tense, and it doesn't work at. And then you, like, kind of relax into the whole thing, and then, like, it all works really well. Do you know what? Especially, like, at the beginning of the breath. So your job is to be this. Your job is to be the second is to, like, actually allow everything to hit you. And maybe you cry, maybe you laugh, maybe you giggle, but the whole thing is to, like, let it all the way in. Does that make sense?

It does. I'll try.

I know. Yeah. It's so great. It's like. And then the. The other thing to know is that what this is doing is It's. It's destroying your ego. Just to be clear about it, though, there's ego like, oh, I'm so good. But there's also ego, like, I'm defining myself as not good enough, or I need to keep going or striving or whatever. There's. And compliments are this amazing way to actually, like, destroy your ego. If you fully let them and feel them, you'll see what I mean. But that's. That's what's actually happening. Okay, so Fern raised her hand really quickly. So, Fern, your job is to give her a comment. It's not going to be very long it's going to be. You got to do it in, like, one or two sentences, as. And specific, poignant. Just. Just get her. Get her good. Okay. See, right. Already you're. Look, Wait, hold on, hold on. Katie, you're already holding back. Your mouth got tight. You went. Yeah, okay, let it. Yeah, no, it's still there. I'm not. Katie.

Hi.

My notes literally say, yay, Katie. And I got so excited when. When you came on next because I. Your face just makes me happy. Your energy makes me so happy, and I just really like you, and I.

Want to be friends.

Thank you, Fern.

How much did you let that in?

I had. I had to think about letting. I noticed, like, how you said I was holding. I felt my mouth.

Yeah.

Tensing, like, resisting the smile, which is weird because I usually smile a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. So pr. I'm going to ask you to do it again. I'm just going to ask you to say the meat of it, which was, I just. I love your energy and I just want to be your friend. Okay. And. And then. Yeah, let's try that again. And this time all the way through. And your belly's tensing. Let that belly go. Let the belly go. Yeah, there we go. Okay, let's try again.

Katie, I love your energy so much, and I just want to be your friend. And I don't even remember where you live, but I wish we were in the same place so we can be friends.

There you go. What was that, 50 in. Was that like, 50%?

Maybe.

Maybe it was.

Shakies. Shakies.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's do another one, Ivana. Very short, very potent. Yeah, yeah.

Kate, you have a kind, cheerful, gentle personality and a very calming voice.

Your mouth is doing that thing again. Yeah. What is it? That's. What is it? That. For those who have your hands up, please keep them up. But what is it that's preventing you from receiving love right now? What, are you scared that's going to happen?

And I don't.

I don't know if it's like, a fear or like, I'm, like, just not used to it or it just feels unfamiliar. I thought I was good at accepting compliments, but I never let it go all the way.

And my guess is that you get compliments all the time, maybe, or validation, and you. Maybe you don't even notice it. But so what. What would. What would happen if you let it all the way in?

You know, I've gotten to the point where I feel like I can accept it with grace. Accept the gift that Somebody's given but not let it all the way in. Oh, I think there's a year of. I don't know how this, like, exactly directly relates, but, like, weakness.

Oh, that's a good one. Yeah.

Like, I gotta stay strong for people.

Yeah.

Wow.

So even accepting compliment and expressing joy feels point.

Yeah. And. And what. What about if you need them, like, all of a sudden, like, you. You. Maybe you need them because they give you compliments or that, like, you, like, oh, I want your, like, oh, now. Now I need you. Or I'm dependent or like, how much of that's in there? Is it just straight weakness? It doesn't have to make sense.

No, I think there is a small part of that because I've been really raised, all the women in my family were really independent and we, like, put everything on our backs and just carry it and be okay with that.

Yeah. How much does that hurt?

I guess it doesn't hurt. It just like.

Like.

Yeah, yeah. It makes sense with all the things that I've been exploring lately.

No, how much does it hurt that you have to carry everything on your back alone?

Oh, yeah. It's excruciating.

Yeah.

But. But I ignore it. I've been ignoring it.

Each one of these two things. Like, every compliment is like, that's the part of your ego it's destroying. If you don't want that backpack and you let in the compliments, then you have. You're confronted with the fact that you're not alone in this, that people see you and that there's going to be somebody there for you.

Yeah. Which I think is very much related to this need for control.

Yeah.

Control everything.

Yeah. Yeah. This is out of control because this is something. Yeah. So you want your backpack off. Let's see how you do with this next compliment. Shake. Shake your body. Take a breath. That'd tickle you. This is so fun. I could do this all day. We might not get to somebody else. We might just sit here and do compliments for Katie. Okay. Jen.

Aloha, Katie. You are such a strong leader. You are a compassionate wife, a caring mother.

You're adventurous and you inspire the life.

That I can live. Thank you.

Thank you. Jeff actually know Jen really well. That was really awesome.

And I just feel all that.

A lot of history together.

You are a really great wife. I've worked with your husband and he would not be who he is today without you. I want you to feel so much joy in your life. You deserve so much beauty and you have so many gifts and I Just want you to feel all these things because you deserve it.

Don't forget to breathe, Katie. Yeah.

Thank you.

You wanted to know how you do it. That's how you do it.

Sounds of us. To literally cry with every single person, like, every single day.

It does different things all the time, but there might be a lot of that at the beginning. Yeah. Sometimes it's just giggles and sometimes it just pinballs in. Sometimes it's just pleasure, but the first couple times, it's crime because you realize that you haven't been allowing yourself to be nourished by this for your whole life. Yeah.

Thank you so much, Joe. Thank you, everyone. Take care.

That was beautiful. Thank you, Katie. Everyone sends Katie more love and compliments in the chat so she can continue feeling.

Oh, yeah. Just keep feeling it, Katie.

Oh, yeah. Let it loose.

Beautiful.

Okay, simmer. If you are here in this moment, feel free to unmute yourself. Yep. I'll try and find you. Oh, there we go.

Hi. Hey, Joe.

I feel like we.

Have you been on a call with me before? I feel like I've seen your face. No.

Maybe.

I mean, not that.

Not that comes to mind.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's good to be here with you. Yeah, good to be with you, too. Where are you located?

I'm in San Francisco.

All right. Not too far from me. Yeah.

It's a beautiful day out.

Yeah. What's going on? What's your question?

Yeah, man. So I'd love to get your perspective on just something I'm working through and working with, and I'll just share just a little bit of. Just a brief bit of context in terms of where it's coming from. So my dad, when he came to. My dad immigrated from India, and he came on the sort of the heels of a lot of political unrest back in. Back in Punjab. And long story short, almost all of his best friends either got killed, jailed, or in certain cases, their families tortured. And when I was sort of three months old.

Is it a Sikh thing? That's right. Okay. I'm sorry about that.

Yeah. I mean. And, you know, it's like, when I was. I think, and as I've sort of gone through my own journey on this, like, I started to sort of put together the map of, like, what's. What actually went down, what was there. And I realized, like, you know, when I was three months old, like, my dad gets the call that one of his best friends got shot down, and a lot of things happened with his family. And so there's, I think, something which I've been. I realized looking back is like, there is this moment. There's this threshold moment in my life, and it comes back. I've been a founder, I've been an investor, but every year and a half, two years, there's this timer that clicks in where I'll just start to feel in my whole body if I shine too bright, if I fully express my gifts in the world. It's not safe. I'm in danger. Family's in danger. And it feels like it comes from there.

You're right. You're right.

And.

No, hold on. You're right.

Yeah.

It's not safe. Also, if you're quiet and you stay in the background, it's not safe. It's life. It's not safe.

Hear that? I do feel like there's. I feel safety. I feel like I've been. You know, I feel safe in my body, and I. And I do feel safe, and I feel like that's been part of my work has been cultivating safety within myself. I hear that.

And what did it do when you heard it before you get into your brain? What did it do to your system when you heard it?

What happened when you said it's not safe? When you said it's not safe? I. I let it. First off, I just, like, let it land. I let it let. And then I. And then I felt some level of. Like there was some anger that came up too. I was like, you know, like, I feel like so much of my journey has been around creating safety. And you're like, here you are being like, it's not safe. Like, what are you. And I'm like, what? Like.

Right.

Yeah.

So the. The feeling. It looked to me like the feeling was like you relaxed into it and then maybe a little anger. Yeah. Like something. You're. Like something in your nervous system released. That's right. Yeah.

Yeah.

What made you.

What.

What made you release? What just if we look at just that part of it. What made you release with the confrontation that it's not safe. So strange.

Yeah, it's. In some ways, I think it was just a feeling of, like, as you said, that it was like the resistance.

Yeah. To.

It was like, oh, wow. Like, what if we just accepted that it was not safe? You know?

Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. So what. What if we just accepted if it was not safe? What if. What if the actual problem isn't the lack of safety, but the resistance to the lack of safety?

Well, I think.

Okay.

When I step into that.

Yeah.

It feels good.

Catch. Yeah.

Like, it feels so big. Because it feels like.

No, it's. Because it is. It's so big. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. That's the. That's like the most unsafe part about it.

Yeah, I mean, totally. 100.

Let's. Let's feel the bigness together. Okay. No trying. You don't get to try.

No, I mean, I just.

It is just.

I feel like. I mean, I can feel it literally, like the bigness of it.

Yeah. So. So give. Give me. I. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. Stay in the bigness with it. I. I think I've. I. A while ago, I read the. The Sikh book. They talk about this bigness, like, in the first chapter. They don't use the word bigness, but they talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's hang out there together. What happens to you? The thing about that's not safe is you. What happens to you in this bigness?

Well, I mean, what I'm noticing right now is that, like, there's an inner. I mean, there's a calmness that I'm feeling, like in my belly, but it's like I'm feeling all of this energy just move through my entire body. Like, it feels like my entire body right now is on. It's, like, charged.

Yeah. That's how it works.

And it feels.

There's. There's like a. Also notice the. You kind of goes away just a little bit. It does, yeah.

Totally goes away.

Yeah.

There's a dissolution. I feel like there's a dissolution of self into this, like. I mean, in the moment, it feels like this, like, warrior spirit, but, like, just there's like this. Just a full dissolution into.

Yeah.

The vastness of it.

Yeah. Yeah. That's your freedom. That's the thing that they fought for. Wow.

There's just. There's a. There's. Yeah, there's a lot. Just.

All of that is resistance. All of. All of that. Yeah.

There's just a profoundness that I just. It's just like. I just want to ignore. Like, there's just. There's something I feel shifting in here, and I just wanted to acknowledge that in terms of as it's landing, but.

Oh, I see it. Yeah. That thing that you have been scared of is the thing that you've been and your ancestors have been fighting for. And just notice every time you resist it, notice how it becomes uncomfortable.

It does. It totally does. It really does. Yeah.

Yeah, totally. You've got it. You know. You know what to do now. You've got it.

Yeah.

It is so it's such a. There's this, like. There's such a fine line.

It's.

You know, it's like the moment from acceptance to resistance, and then it shifts, then it goes into, you know, and then it. That's when it feels totally uncomfortable to be in.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's just not very long. If you just. If you just can see it's your freedom and relax into it. It's not very long where it just becomes a. It is. Yeah. The resistance, the resist. The resistance is futile. It doesn't take our bodies too long to realize that. Yeah.

You know, is there. Is there like a. A practice to either do in your own life or might create? Like, I could bring it to my own life, what we just did.

That's it.

Okay.

Hopefully this is recorded and you can go back and look at it. If you ever forget. The. The dilemma is if you try, you try. You're trying is a form of resistance. So the. The thing that we just hung out in is like your nature. So you don't ever have to look for it. It's just always there. As a matter of fact, take a look for a minute. Try. Now that you've, like, sat in it for a minute. Has there ever been any moment in your life when it's not there?

Yeah.

There you go. I want to tell you a little story. When I was in, like, LA a long time ago, we had this little turtle and it walked on land. It was like so awkward and weird. And then you put it in water and it was like this graceful, amazing. That's when I just saw you realize that I was like, oh, it was like watching a turtle hit water. Thanks. Total pleasure.

Thank you.

Yeah, thanks, brother.

That was beautiful. Everyone send simmer. Tons of appreciation and love in chat.

That was.

This is like a freaking roller coaster today. Jesus Christ. This is great to watch. Okay, Michelle, if you are ready and available, please unmute yourself.

I'm here.

I want to say something, Johnny. If the first gentleman I saw at any time feels like he wants to get angry, he should just raise his hand and we'll call on him next if that changes.

Beautiful.

Happy to do that, John.

Feel free to message me or write in the chat if that feels alive in you. Invitation is there. And Michelle, welcome.

Oh, my goodness.

Joe. First I just have to say huge gratitude. I started working with you in 2020. I have a community now. I have friends. I have so much more heartbreak. Things are so much better with my boys. So thank you. Huge.

You're so welcome.

It's awesome. I'm going to un.

Hide myself here if I can.

So what I'm dealing with now is very. It kind of builds on what Samara was saying. I'm willing now to let myself feel the danger of exposing myself. I've hid myself for a really long time and I have a lot to contribute. But I put myself on a moratorium to August 1st to not do anything, to just listen. I'm taking this course. I did your decisions course and that's been awesome. But something is stirring, like really deep a way to shine and be in the world. And I notice a whole lot of resistance coming up. Voices like no one wants to hear what you have to say. You're just a middle aged woman. Like you have nothing important to say to the world. And I hear it reinforced because I've tried a lot of little experiments. Several different kinds of blogs, social media posts, TikTok. I dabbled in a little bit, reaching out to people. I wrote a book on transforming schooling that really no one read. And that feels like how do you know if it's a sign from the universe that maybe just stop. Just enjoy this beautiful simple life, work in my garden, do my job. I just can't shut this deep yearning. But I don't want to keep it takes a lot out of me and to do that if no one going to read it or pay attention to it. So that's the question I'm struggling with.

This great question. What would be the difference in the, in the quality of your work if it didn't take a lot out of you? How old are your boys now?

20 and 15 and they still consume. I have a lot of. We have a lot of issues. We still consume a lot of my time. My job is really demanding. I still volunteer as board chairperson so my life is pretty full.

When you were a kid. Yeah. When your kids were kids, do you remember them playing in the backyard and they would like build and do stuff and they were just kind of right and it didn't take anything out of them to create.

Right.

If you created like that, what would be the difference in the quality of your content? Oh, or products, whatever.

Yeah. Like what if it was easy? I just started doing that in my job. Like I just started treating like these academic papers. What if they were fun and I played with them and I'm. A whole new quality is coming to them so I can see it there.

Great. Yeah.

Yeah.

Potentially what the problem is is that you're. You have poor content. The other is that your, the Consciousness of your content is this is hard. And so people reading it feel hard and they don't want to feel hard so they don't read the content.

Okay.

Yeah, but I think the, the, the deeper question I have for you is what. What makes you think you have a choice? I do.

I could really just shut that voice down and like I said, pay attention to my garden.

And you could stop being. You could stop being creative and contributing.

Yeah, well, I would still do it for my job, but not anything extra. Like I could put really boundaries on it. Like I only get to be creative at work.

Work. Okay. I understand that you think you can manage yourself that way, but I'm asking you, like, can you thrive as an individual without doing the creative stuff that you do?

No, but I want it to mean something. I want it to matter. I want it with all my heart to matter.

Yeah. So a couple things there. My. One of my teacher's teachers was this woman who worked at Pulit Packard. She was a Zen teacher and she taught like 10 people.

He.

Probably taught millions. Did what she do matter. But I think the more important thing is what I noticed is that the desire to be seen, to be known like that is actually a desire to be seen. It's like a cheap surrogate of being seen.

Okay.

And so what is it?

So be seen first let myself be seen regardless of the output.

Just be seen right now. Yeah. Like you're not even seeing yourself. You're just a middle aged woman with nothing important to say.

That was just one of my voices in my head. I don't really believe it, but I do part of partly believe it.

Yeah. Yeah. So what is it? To actually see yourself right now, to satisfy that itch of being known by being seen right now. You're asking yourself, how do I do that? That's not. That's not going to get you there.

Yeah. I kind of think that's my work now. Maybe that's why I put that August 1st moratorium. I think it's just the work of letting myself be seen by me. Yeah, Makes sense.

That feels good.

That feels like permission.

But it doesn't have to be work. It can just happen right now. You're the best.

Thank you, Joe.

I'm not done. I'm. I'm enjoying seeing you too much. We're staying here for a second.

I kind of want to let someone else have a term, but I thank you.

Yeah, you're a pleasure. Always have been a pleasure. And I just got to see you, see your. See the pleasure of Being you. I think in the first time of our experience. Maybe you've done it in other times, but I haven't seen it before.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It feels closer now. It really does.

Yeah. Cool. I say the word pleasure just because it. I. If I was suggesting how to move forward with this is literally just basking in the pleasure of being you.

That sounds fun. It sounds like a lot of fun. Oh, thank you.

You're welcome.

Thank you so much. Okay.

Yeah.

Thank you so much, Michelle. I appreciate you. And once again, everyone, please send reflections appreciation for Michelle.

Can we do a shake it off?

Yeah.

All right.

I'm gonna stretch if that feels.

Okay.

And if you are listening and with us, I'm here. Hey there.

Hiya.

Add you to the spotlight so Joe can see you.

Hi.

Yeah, hi, Joe.

Hi, Anne.

And a little bit of. A little bit of admin. I'm in Scotland and there's a bit of a storm raging on around me. So my Internet is tiny, little bit intermittent, but it's coming back very fast. So don't worry if I freeze. So.

Okay. I don't mind. Yeah. Are you. Is it so cold that you're hanging out in the sauna?

No, no, I'm in like a c. My garden. No, it's not that cold. The fire might come on every now and again. It's about 9°C.

Oh, my goodness.

Hi.

Hi.

A lot of what was said already resonates with me, but still. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I'm here because I would like some help with how to deal with. Oh God, I'm definitely gonna cry. The way in which anticipatory grief is impacting my life for six years now.

You said anticipatory grief.

Yeah. As well. Explain. My 19 year old daughter was diagnosed with degenerative disease. Degenerative disease. At the age of six years ago.

Oh.

And all the process, the irony is she's actually. Well, but she won't be. And God, I've done a lot of work. My brain knows a lot of stuff, but my body is on red alert all the time. To the extent that when I see her, which is often, she looks near me, her life is good. I feel such a tension of pain and happiness and fear and all of which is normal. Like what you said to Simar a minute ago. You know, life is on the safe.

Yeah.

So I just happen to know that her life is more unsafe than I knew it was. But it doesn't stop this. So the only word I've ever come across that resonates is anticipatory.

Grief.

I think if it was my husband or a parent, I could cope. It's a child. So my question is, how do I be with it?

How do you be what?

So how do I be with it such that it negatively impacts my life less?

That's a good question. It's a better question than how do I get rid of it?

Yeah, no, I can't. I've done some work.

Yeah. Yeah. There's. First of all, I have a. I have an 18 year old, so I, who I adore and I can just feel what that would be like. That's just, That's a lot. Has anybody been able to grieve with you?

What a great question. So my family dynamic, my parents is very much. We don't even talk about these things. So that's been a. That's been an issue. That's one of the things I've been working on dealing with.

Sounds like it's in. Sounds like it's a no.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And my husband is very there, but he's just very different to me. He's wonderful, but he just deals with stuff differently to me and he has lots of other stuff in his previous. In his early life. So he just deals with stuff different. So actually the answer is no. And. And I've really discovered that I can't. I mean, lots of friends are there for me, but I can't.

Hold on, hold on. Yeah. I'm grieving with you right now. Are you looking away from me?

Because I don't know what to do with myself when I feel. I don't. I feel it's very conflicting because she's here and she's. Well, relative to where she could be.

And I don't give a. Don't try to convince me out of my grief.

I feel like I'll cry forever.

You will grieve her forever is what I understand from people who've lost their children. It's not going to stop.

My fear for her is so overwhelming. You know, like that thing that Simar said that, you know, what you said about life isn't safe, life isn't safe, but it just feels. It's so there that it's not safe. I feel so powerless. I know, I know. I've done everything on my part.

I just hear you talking yourself out of your grief. Yeah, yeah. If every time you walked into a room somebody was trying to convince you to leave and telling you why you shouldn't be there, how would you react?

I wouldn't go there anymore.

Yeah. You want resolution you gotta let the person in the room. You're treating grief the way. The way somebody would treat you by wanting you out of the room. So it doesn't ever get to you. It's not getting seen. The grief isn't getting seen for what it is.

And I won't let it be seen. I know that from going to therapy and stuff. I just won't let it be seen. I can't. I think, because my parents in particular.

You can. You just did. You just didn't let it. You just didn't let it. Not really. You didn't let it see its paragraph. You just.

Yeah, you get sentence or two. You're right.

Yeah.

I think it's also because if I let. If I get to the paragraph, there'll be another paragraph on another paragraph. What it's doing is stopping me living. I mean, I'm getting better, but it's stopping me living in the moment. You know, it's kind of spoiling my excuse.

Remember. Do you remember Samir, and he was thinking that it was like, fear that he had to, like. And it ended up being his freedom.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I wrote d. I wrote that.

What do you think. What do you think your grief actually is if you let it speak? All of its paragraphs. I know the fear is that it's going to go on forever, but what's. What do you think it actually is?

I think. Actually, I think this did occur to me. When you're talking to him. I think there would be freedom in between the paragraphs. I think there would be punctuations, but because I never let the paragraph, for whatever reason, I think I must be very close to letting the paragraph come. But I do sense that there would be freedom in the middle of paragraphs. This course is helping. My husband said to me recently. Or you're. You're laughing more again. You know, you're.

You're.

Yeah, I do. I think it would always be there. Like your thing of paragraphs. There would be a paragraph to be. To be felt, to be gone through.

So I want to.

And then I think there would be freedom.

I want you to feel the grief for a moment. Just feel. You don't have to be grieving. And then just tell me how it's not love if it's not resistance, if you don't resist it. Tell me how it's not just love.

Of course it's love. Of course it is. And failure. I feel a failure. And I know I haven't, but I feel I have.

Yeah, Yeah.

I know, of course it's love.

So just to be clear, when you're cutting off the grief, you're cutting off the love, and you're doing it because of this guilt that just showed us the thing that's actually happening underneath. Yeah. You couldn't protect your daughter.

That's more than that. I feel a. Caused it somewhere, and I've come through.

A lot of that.

Just. I'm just part of the jigsaw that created it, so I don't. I don't beat myself up for that as much as I used to, but.

I. Yeah, yeah, hold on. I don't. I don't want to hear the story. I just want to hear how you caused it. I know you didn't emotionally. How do you tell yourself you caused it?

By not. By not being the parent. Could have been at points in her teenage life causing her strength, which is part of the jigsaw, which may be true, but what can I do, you know, Try.

You talk yourself out of this guilt really quickly, too. What if you allow yourself to feel the guilt for just a moment? Yeah.

Maybe I haven't let go of that as much as thought I had, actually. Yeah, that's really deep.

Yeah.

I think. Comes into ahead of it. I don't think I'll ever forgive myself for that.

But the thing about guilt is that it keeps an emotion in place. It stagnates an emotion. Guilt and shame, they stagnate emotions. They're kind of an emotional backwater. They're made of emotions, but they don't. They don't have the flow of the rest of the emotions.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard to imagine that passing through in any way.

Irish Catholic. Right?

So, I mean, literally Irish Catholic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know the guilt there. So. So I. Let's just take a moment to work with the guilt. What. What would. What. What would. What would it say about you if you didn't feel guilty from an emotional level? Say.

Not punishing myself enough.

And what does it say if you. What does it say if you don't punish yourself enough? What does it say about you if you don't punish yourself?

That's me being a crap parent again.

Yeah. And what does it say about you if you're a crap parent?

Pretty worthless crap parent.

Yeah.

And how is the guilt making you a crap parent?

By stolen. Me here.

Yeah.

By making me. Yeah. By making me interact with her, My family, through the lens of guilt, actually. Yeah. That's quite important.

So. Yeah, I want you. I want you to. I'M going to be your daughter. What's your daughter's name?

Alice.

Alice. I. I'm going to be Alice for a minute. I'm going to ask you to apologize to me for letting guilt get in the way of our connection.

Babes, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry for the partner played in this. I'm so sorry that I'm perpetuating that.

By.

I mean, I'm doing my best. I'm just not being able to be fully there with you because I can't put it down. And that just sounds so messed up mostly.

Yeah, it does. Your stories are up. Just. I'm sorry for letting. Without any shame or guilt. Just. I'm sorry for letting guilt get in the way of our.

Yeah, yeah. Catholicism. Sorry. Anyone that's Catholic? Well, it's Catholicism. Northern Ireland, where I grew up. They know. That's amazing. I really hadn't thought of it that way before that.

Trust me on the apology. Just apologize directly without any of the story. Just whatever your words are. But apologize for the guilt getting in the way of your connection with her. Loving her the way you want to love her for the last years of her life. No story, just straight.

I wanna. I want to love you freely. I want to love you. I want to be there for you without this. And even when it gets worse, I don't want to be there for you through that because actually that makes it about me rather than about you.

Yeah. And I still don't hear the apology.

I find it hard to apologize for that. I could find it. I find it easy to apologize for the bit I did that contributed to whatever happened.

Yeah.

Physiologically.

But I find it hard because it's gonna. It's all this shit's gonna get a big old crack in it. It's gonna fall apart and then you can't define yourself by it anymore. That's why you find it hard.

I actually see it. I see it now as some kind of perverse self flagellation, like punishing myself with the guilt, which makes me not there for her, but allows me to feel the pain that I believe I have to feel because I'm part of what happened.

Yeah. Most likely it was the guilt that also made the relationship stressful between the two of you at the beginning, when she was young.

I can't quite connect. I don't know. I'd have to go there more.

So you want to try the apology? A lot of freedom in it.

Yeah, I do.

Let's do it.

Okay, babes. I really want to apologize for wallowing and guilt so much that it's created a hold on.

You've already hedged. You said, I want to apologize.

I am apologizing.

Yeah. I'm sorry.

All right, babes. I'm so sorry for wallowing guilt for so long to try and make myself feel better in a way that has something between you and me that lets this fucking disease have more damage, more than it actually is anyway. Yeah. And I'm really sorry I didn't see that before. I don't know. Yeah. That. That for a game of soldiers. Yeah. That's a bit confusing. And.

Yeah.

Yeah. And also, you were just smiling.

Yeah. Yeah.

I highly recommend making that apology very directly to her.

Yeah.

And. And telling her that that's not how you want to be with her anymore.

Yeah.

Thanks for coming up. Oh, that was beautiful. Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Thanks.

Thank you so much. Have another shake, everyone. And send Ann. Just so much love in the chat. Everyone was with you all through that.

Wow.

Joe, I want to check in with you. We have about seven minutes to half past. How are you feeling? Would we have time for one?

I can do one more and I'd be happy to. I don't know how long it takes you to close the call, though. How long does it take?

We can close it in a couple of minutes. Yeah. We can be brief.

Okay. Yeah. So I would say give me an. I never know how long they're going to take, but I'm happy to do one. I'm happy not to.

Great. Well, we're happy to go a few minutes over if you don't have a hard stop.

No, I don't. Yeah. Okay.

Wonderful.

In that case, Steve.

Hey, here I am.

Okay. Let me find you.

If you could say something else, and then hopefully you'll appear.

Hey, Johnny. Yeah, here I am.

Oh, there you go. Got you.

Okay, great.

Hey, Joe.

Okay. Hey, man.

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you, too. Ukulele, electric guitar and an acoustic guitar.

Couple acoustics.

Yeah.

Electric.

Oh, it's not. It's not ukulele. Sorry. It's a. Like, you have a.

That is a uk. That little guy's a ukulele down there.

All right. Acoustic.

Acoustic, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm excited to be here, and I'll try to just get to it.

Thanks.

I'd say I'm stepping into, like, my life's work. My. I.

The.

The real, like, everything I've probably talked about since I was a teenager is happening. And, yeah, it's It's. It's fucking amazing. And I can still feel this, like, funny belief underneath all of it going, yeah, you're actually not enough for this. Or, like. And it. It's like wrapped up in shame that comes with my. It's like my dad really played small in certain ways. In certain ways he didn't. In certain ways he really did. And.

Hold on a second.

Yeah.

What if that's good news? You're not enough for. This is good news. How would you interpret it if. If all you knew was that was good news? What would you make of it?

The first thing that comes to mind is it takes some of the pressure off, the expectation. I'm. I'm. I'm prone to putting on myself. So that's the first thing that comes up there. Doesn't feel like good news to me, but.

Okay, yeah, I think it could be good news in many ways in my mind. One of the ways it could be good news is that it takes a team. And so it's reminder to you to hire excellent folks to do whatever it is that you're going to do. Right. If you. If you can hire people. The other way that I think it's good news is because it's, you know, when you play music, Right. What happens when you think it's about you when you play music?

Yeah, that's definitely, like, I definitely learning that whenever I'm truly in my element. There is no me. There is no me here.

Yeah, right. Like, it's like a channeling.

Yeah, it's. Everything's a channeling.

Yeah.

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

So what. What if it's just a reminder that you're just channeling?

Yeah, that's really interesting. Kind of takes out the equation of having to even know whether I'm enough or not. Yeah, that's interesting. It's getting out of the way, which is what I've been doing and practicing a lot. It's so funny. There's like this, like, creeping voice in my head that comes back, you know, it's like. It's just like lingering in the background. It's not as strong as it used to be, but it's like this lingering voice that like, oh, no, you don't have what it takes. You know, the social skills. You don't have this or you don't have that.

I don't. I'm gonna channel that. It's not about me. Yeah, you were. You said your teenage years, man, you didn't choose this. What are you talking about?

Yeah.

You'Ve been channeling it the whole time. Oh, man.

Yeah, that's pretty good.

That's pretty good.

Ah, thank you, sir.

You're welcome.

Oh, that's good, man. Nice work.

It wasn't me.

Blessings. Thank you, man.

Yeah. And it wasn't me. Yeah, yeah.

Thank you.

That was the same thing that's moving through you, talking to you, through me.

So I say to my clients too, man.

What the.

Thanks, brother. Thank you.

You're welcome. You're welcome. Thank you.

Thanks, y'.

All. Thank you so much, Steve.

Oh, wow.

And thank you, Joe. Like, holy. That was just beautiful. Yeah. Everyone, let's shake it out. Stand up if you like.

Oh.

Okay.

Wow. Another day at nervous system mastery.

I feel like I almost feel cleansed. It was almost like experiencing all of those emotions at the same time. It's like cleaned out my system in the process. It was. Yeah.

Beautiful.

So I want to give everyone a reminder to both download the Art of Accomplishment podcast, as many episodes as you like. I'll share a link in the chat.

Also, I think we have, like, because of the. We do these live sometimes. Like, it's very rare that I do them for the public, but I'm doing one for the public because of the thing at Sarah. So if you. If I didn't catch you and you still want, like, want to work with me, there's this rare opportunity to. To do so at that.

So we're hosting a Q and A with Joe actually tomorrow.

Joe, wow.

Tomorrow is our Q and A. Yeah. And then we've got a. A workshop. It won't be a Q and A format rapid fire coaching like this one, but a workshop that's free and open to the public. That's going to be happening in May. And I just dropped the link to the page there. But you can also just bop around on our website, learn more about our courses. Yeah, I'd love to see more of you. All's beautiful to spend time with you today.

Beautiful. Well, we are 11:30 on the dot, so let's close with everyone unmuting and saying thank you so much to Joe and the beautiful people that gave their time today as well in the hot seat.

Thank you, Joe.

Thanks, everybody.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, everyone.

Thanks.