Jillian Jenkins (Lunch Lady)

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Hey everybody. Welcome to the Mere Christians podcast. Hi, I'm Jordan Raynor. How does the Gospel influence the work of mere Christians? Those of us who aren't pastors or religious professionals, but who work as scientists and plumbers and paramedics. That's the question we explore every week on this podcast. And today I'm posing it to Jillian Jenkins, a humble lunch lady in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Jillian and I recently sat down to talk about why she turned down a job that would give her more money and allow her to work from home. We talked about what God's word has to say about humble dirty jobs and how we can lead others away from Christ with our words and our actions while we work. I think you guys are going to be really encouraged by this conversation with Jillian Jenkins. Jillian Jenkins, welcome to the Mere Christians podcast.

Hello.

Well, hey. So I say on the podcast all the time, I invite people to nominate guests, including themselves, to be on the show. And you did this. And I want to thank you publicly for doing it. Right. I do not want the Mere Christians podcast to just tell stories from the Johnny Earecks and Tatas of the world or the. Or the Tony Dungies of the world who are famous the world over. I want to tell stories of how the gospel is shaping the work of exceptional professionals that you've never heard of, like Jillian Jenkins so publicly. Just want to say there is fruit that comes from nominating yourself, and I'm so glad you did. Thank you very much.

You're welcome. Thanks for having me.

Yeah. I think many of us remember our lunch ladies from school. I don't remember the lunch ladies. I do remember the lunch dude, Mr. Russ, who was like, is. I still know him, like, this total gem of a person. I'm curious. Do you have fond memories of your lunch lady or ladies growing up?

There's one that really stands out. Her name was Charlotte. She was older. She also babysat our dog whenever we were gone. Like, she ran, like, a. That was, like, her other job. She had, like, a hotel. And so, like, she ran a puppy hotel in her house, and she was, like, really great with the dog. So, like, we connected with that, too. And then, like, yeah, in the lunch line, she was the lady that was, like, you know, stickler for the rules, but, like, also really sweet at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they're just. Some of them going through the line, and they're always smiling and being like, oh, yeah, hey, you want this type of thing? Like, just kind of vague memories of that when I was younger type of thing. It just kind of help make the atmosphere more comfortable, you know, because school can be scary. There's a lot going on. And, like, in high school, middle school, there's a lot going on there, too. You know, and it's just nice to see friendly faces that don't have the pressure of being your teacher attached to it, I guess.

Yeah.

I mean, what's clear is that the job of lunch staff is an incredibly hard, incredibly humble job. All at a cultural moment that values fame and platforms, I would argue, maybe, maybe above anything else. And you told me before we started recording that even in the midst of that cultural pressure, the gospel you believe enables you to find genuine peace and joy with your job. Talk about that. How so?

Well, so, yeah, I just some background, like I, you know, like a lot of people have big dreams and big goals and I think everybody has like that want to be noticed. I guess because of the pressure of society, there's that feeling of like, oh, I'm failing because nobody's noticing me type of thing. And so like it took me a long time to kind of come to terms with this kind of thing to be like. But I am in my own way getting that. And then also the Bible tells us to not seek that kind of thing out, which is, you know, easier said than done sometimes. But the other day I was reflecting on that the last will be first and the first will be last kind of thing. And I just came to peace with this moment of, or in the, in the moment of, you know, people are going to look at me and be like, oh, she's just a lunch lady. But like in heaven, I'm hoping that I'm being celebrated in a way because I'm touching these kids lives and like the Bible's also clear about like we're not to leave lead the little ones astray. And I take that very seriously with my kids, with the kids that I service at church and at my school, even if I don't know if they're Christians or not. I don't know much about their religious background, faith, you know, and I have, I have kids of all faiths walking through. We have a very high Somalian population in our area and so there's a lot of kids we get, we do have a lot of refugees and stuff like that too. And so yeah, it just, I don't know, I, I realized over the years all of the jobs that I have had that I have really liked have all involved service and like, because I worked as a barista and I really loved that job, even though I was just a barista, you know, but like people would come in and I made connections with my, with my coworkers and my customers. And so like one of my customers actually, unfortunately Passed away. And, like, he would come in every day. Like, I still remember his order. It was a large soy chai latte with less foam. Like, I still remember it. He would come in. He was in a wheelchair. And I looked up the information for his wake online because I was like, oh, well. And this was after I was on break because I had had my first son.

Yeah.

So, like, I wasn't even working there for. For months. I was on maternity leave, but I went and I went to this wake, and his widow was like, oh, how did you know him? And I said, oh, well, I. I worked at the coffee shop. And I was kind of embarrassed. Like, oh, I just worked at the coffee shop. And she goes, oh, my gosh. He talked about you guys all the time. You made his day. He would go in, and all he does is talk about you guys and what's going on with your lives. And so, like, I was just. That moment, I was just like, wow. So, like, yeah, people do really make connections with me. I'm just a barista, but people are like, I'm making a difference in their lives. Wow.

Yeah.

And so, like, I tried some other jobs after that, and I just. They made me more money, but I wasn't happy, you know? Like, it just didn't feel good. And so, like, I took this job at the school out of necessity. I needed a job that worked with my kids schedules and my own. And I had this opportunity to potentially take a job from home that would have paid more money, but it involved stuff that. I don't know. I just like listening to them talk about the job. And, like, during the interview, it just didn't feel right in my soul.

And I just didn't feel like you.

It didn't feel like me. I didn't feel like. It felt like it was just gonna suck all my energy down. And, like, it wasn't something where I was gonna be happy or doing what I'm supposed to be doing. Yeah.

And I think that's it.

Right?

Like, as you're talking, I'm like, oh, man. The reason why you can be content and joy. Not just content. That's the wrong word. Joyful in doing a humble job as a lunch lady is because, you know, this is the work that God has called you to do in this season. Right. And if that's what he's called you to do, to serve people, then I'm thinking about that quote in show Baraka's great book. He said, I might get it. I might get it wrong. But I think substantive is right. He said, if God has called you to be a trashman, don't stoop so low as to be a king. Right. I think that's spot on. It's called you to be a lunch lady. Don't stoop so low as to have a stay at home job for you personally. That's not what God's called you to do, right?

Yeah. Like, it just. And then I got done with my interview with the lunch ladies and there was like, wow, this feels. I'm really excited. Like, I'm like, oh, this is exciting. Like, and they even asked me in my interview, how do you view the lunch staff?

Yeah.

Like, do you just see it as just a job or do you see it as something that's valuable? And it's like, it is valuable, you know, And I think that's easy to forget though, in the moment for some people.

Totally. I'm curious if you have spent time meditating on the fact that Jesus himself had such a humble profession.

I have sometimes, but sometimes it's easy for me to kind of forget that part.

When you do think of it, what, what is the impact of that?

Ah, it's just, you know, when I think of Jesus, I think of him meeting people in all kinds of humble places. I think that's part of why it's easy to forget that he worked as a carpenter because it's so humble. You know what I mean?

Interesting. Yeah, that's a great point in like.

The big stories and the miracle and the flashiness that it's easy to forget. Like, oh, but he worked as a carpenter, right? And even some of the other disciples, they worked other jobs, tent makers and fishermen, and they're doing these not so glamorous jobs. But again, we forget about them because we're attracted to the miracles and stuff like that. Forgetting that there's all these other miracles probably happening while they're doing their work. Miracles come in all shapes and sizes and all kinds of stories and that kind of thing. And I think it's just easy to gloss over some of those other ones. But I mean, when I think about it, yeah, I mean it's, it's comforting because it's. I mean, again, I think a lot of people, we all, we have humble jobs, so it's comforting to be like they all had humble jobs and they did amazing things. You know, John wrote in the, in his gospel about how there were so many things that happened, not one, the world couldn't contain them.

I've never thought about that connection you just made. But I think that's probably right. Like, one of the reasons we forget about Jesus working as a carpenter is because it was so humble. It just doesn't align with our modern construct of the kinds of actions that deserve our attention and focus. And because Scripture doesn't spend hardly any real estate talking about it. Right. That's part of the reason. But, yeah, I've said it before in a lot of my writings. I'll say it, Lord willing, a thousand more times before I die. God intentionally placed Jesus in the home of a carpenter in a humble profession. He didn't have to. He could have. He could have chosen for Jesus to be an esteemed Pharisee or a priest or a wealthy politician, but instead, he chose an incredibly humble vocation of a carpenter. And as you pointed out, Jillian, when he kicked off his kingdom building project, he selected others with humble jobs, like fishermen, to come alongside him and advance the kingdom. If that doesn't give dignity to the quote, unquote, humblest, dirtiest jobs. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what does. Talk for a minute, though, about how you see the specific work in the lunchroom as God's work in the world. What's the connection between what you're doing serving kids and what God's called us to do in the world? Gillian?

Well, I know for me. So, like, I make connections with these kids. For example, we have some. We have a Ukrainian refugee in the lunch line. And, like, the first week she came through, she was, you know, nervous. She's. She doesn't speak very much English, very polite, but, like, she didn't understand how the whole thing worked. And it was just like being able to be like, hey, one, you're safe. You're in a good, you know, nothing. You're safe here. And then being like, yeah, you can. These are the things that, like, you can eat. Like, you know, it's just. It was. She. You could see, like, this relief and, like, this comfort washing over her. And, like, it just over the week or over the days and the weeks, like, she started relaxing more and smiling and getting a little bit more chatty, and she's getting chatty with the kids around her, and it was just really beautiful to see. And, like, I see that with some of these other kids. You know, like, I make connections with the kids that come in from the Special Needs Learning Center. Yeah, they come through. And at first they were like, I don't know you. I don't. I don't know what to think about you. And they, like, didn't like me talking because I'm a new person. And yeah, they're very brutally honest about what they think about you. Like, I don't know you, so why are you talking to me, stranger? You know, so. But over the time, yeah, they started relaxing and talking more. And like, one of them. She's so funny. She's so funny. She's a little first grader. She comes through and, like, she wouldn't hardly say anything to me. One day she kind of looked at me and she had, like, this mischievous look in her eye, and she goes, I don't just trust you. But, like, it was kind of like a joking way that she said it. And I was like, I think I'm making connect. Like, we're making progress with this kid. You know, like, she's actually t. Like I said, she was like, kind of smiling and smirking, like, you know, like, what are you gonna do about it? Type of thing. And I was like, oh, well, we got time. We'll work on this. You know, she was like. And she walked away, you know, and like, some of them, it's clear that, like, there's. There's a lot of families, that there's food issues in the house. I guess I don't know how to word it, but these kids come through and you can tell, like, their lunch at the school is, like one of their highly valued meals of the day. And that was eye opening to me. And it's. It's kind of humbling in that way, too. Like, I'm providing them their most nutritious meal for the day, and it's just like, wow, that's something I got to take very seriously.

Yeah. And just these simple acts of kindness, though, have eternal impact. I think we can lose that. Right. Jesus said, love your neighbor as yourself, period, full stop. That's what you're doing. And he's going to reward every act of obedience we do, every act of kindness, every act of service that is motivated by a desire to just obey him and bring him glory and his pleasure is enough. Psalm 37:23 says, the Lord directs the steps of the godly. He delights in every detail of their lives. So even in those small acts of compassion, Jillian, the Lord is smiling upon that. And his smile, his pleasure is eternal. I was blown away. You said you mentioned this verse a couple of minutes ago, and you mentioned it in the pre interview. We did. I was hoping you'd go a level deeper here. The verse is Matthew 18:6, where Jesus said, if anyone causes one of these little Ones, those who believe in me, to stumble.

It would be better for them to.

Have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Right.

And you made the point that you think, quote, leading kids astray means much more than preaching false doctrine. Tell us what you think this means.

I feel like kids, like, people sometimes just look at kids and they're like, oh, they're kids, you know, like, oh, they're loud, they're annoying, you know, that kind of thing. And kids, I mean, they learn so much. They're very much monkey see, monkey do, you know? And so, like, we can. We can preach all the gospel we want at them, but if we're not doing the gospel so that they can see it, they're gonna be like, well, why are you telling me this? But you're not doing it. Like, what's the point? Why should I be doing it, too? And, like, I feel we can preach the gospel to them without actually saying words. It's that, you know, we're called to love our neighbor, like you said, full stop. And loving the kids is just as important as loving the adults. You know, like, they're not to be. You know, a lot of people are. Kids should be seen and not heard. And, like, that's just not true.

Yeah, look at Jesus.

They are so, like, insightful. Like, I. Some of my most deep, meaningful conversations that I have had have been with a kid. And they see things in a way that is pure and beautiful and, like, that's just something that needs to be nurtured and explored more by adults, I think. Yeah, I think ignoring them or, like, trying to get them to fit into certain boxes, I mean, that's kind of like leading them astray in some ways rather than helping them grow and discover who they are and who God called them to be. You know, because, like, what if you're leading them to a path of, I don't know, something that's complete opposite of what God wants them to be, or, like, just not, like I said, not loving them. I mean, kids, they take that and they're like, people don't like me. People don't love me. This adult is being mean to me because I dropped something on the ground, or I did this one wrong thing, and they're totally freaking out at me about it. You know, like, they take that and then they. It sews something into them that's like, oh, I must not be worth anything. I must be a bad kid. That kind of thing. When really they're just making Small little mistakes that everybody makes, you know, and that can lead them astray too, because then it sends them into like this doom spiral of self hatred, I guess, you know, and that's something that does happen at a very young age and affects them as adults.

This is a really big idea. Again, the Context of Matthew 18:6 is Jesus. You know, he's speaking specifically about our interactions with other children who believe in him. Right. But. But all throughout the New Testament, there are other warnings against being false prophets.

And again, again, this, this verse is.

Mainly talking about explicitly teaching false doctrine with our words. But I think what you're pointing out, Jillian, I think this is so wise. We can also preach false doctrine with our lives. There's a sense that all of us can be false witnesses, false ambassadors of Christ in the way we treat those we work with, whether they're kids in your context, or in the lives of most of our listeners, the co workers that we come in contact with at work, if we're not showing them the love of Christ in word, and indeed that has the ability to lead people astray, lead them, push them further away from the love of Christ. Right?

Yeah, for sure.

You mentioned to me, before we start recording, there's a prayer you pray in your car before you walk into work every day to kind of set your mind right here. What are those? What are those prayers sound like?

So my drive to work is maybe like three to five minutes. And they're usually like, I get up and I'm going, and I'm always, like, really kind of nervous before I go in because, like, I'm like, I don't want to mess this up. Because if I mess things up at work, it's, you know, not just me who's impacted. It's a kid. You know, I could screw up an allergy food. You know, there's all these things that could go wrong. And so I'm like, okay. So I get in the car and I'm like, God, take away the anxiety. That's always the first thing. Take away the anxiety. It's gonna be fine. But then I get going and I'm like, okay, God, I'm going into work. I don't know what my day is gonna look like, but whatever it looks like, let me handle, like, any problems, let me handle them with grace. And also help me to not, like, chew. I'm very good at, like, chewing on everything to the point where I'm like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe I messed up. I'm like, help me to not get anxious about that stuff. And then also because that's just going to ruin my day at work. But then I'm also like, you know, God, I don't know where you want me to be today. Do you want me serving on the line? Do you want me at the cash register? Do you want me behind the scenes today? I don't know where I'm going to go. Yeah, so there are places where I would rather be. Not where I think I should go, where I would rather be. Cause that's my comfort zone. I like being at the cash register and, you know, washing the dishes. Those are my comfort zones. You know, they're. Yeah, they're just. That's where I feel like my skills are flourishing, I guess. You know, I'm less stressed out there. What I don't like to do is be on the line because it's very stressful. There's just so many more things that I have to take care of and monitor and that kind of thing. So. But I don't know where I'm going to be. And so I just say, you know, God, even if it's on the line, which is my stress point, like, if that's where you need me to be today, for whatever reason, put me there. Even if I'm uncomfortable, just put me where you need me to be. And when I'm there, don't abandon me. That I'm not, like, drowning in my uncomfortable spot. Like, I'm just like, okay, Jesus, just be with me wherever I'm going, because I need you. I'm not going to be able to do these things without you. Like, so if I go in and I'm like, I'm on the line. I'm just like that, praying under my breath or like, mentally thinking, okay, Jesus, I need you with me. Stay with me here because I'm freaking out.

So it's that prayer, it sounds like in the car. It's really a prayer to start the day of surrender and inviting God to do the work with you, alongside you, leading you to specific people, specific positions in that lunchroom to do his work. Right?

Exactly. Yes, that's exactly it.

I love it. Hey, so in addition to the work you do in the lunchroom, you also write fiction. You published a lot of fiction books.

How many books have you published now?

I mean, over the years, I would say it's probably been close to 20. I don't know. My publishing journey is a whole completely, completely different thing. Other, like, hour of talking. And so I'll keep it short. You Know, like, I've worked with different publishers. A lot of them didn't work out. So I have a lot of things, like, kind of in my back.

Is that the dream? Like, oh, if I could do anything, I really want to write.

Yeah. I mean, that is the dream. That's the big dream. I have, like, all these ideas and so, like, I'm still writing. I've taken a step back from just publishing, which is. This is part of A Funny Story. So it's like as I was getting ready to publish my next thing, God's like, don't do it this way. Don't do it this way. But I was so excited to be like, oh, I'm gonna publish that. I didn't listen. And it crashed and burned. Yeah, in epic fashion. And so I'm still writing, but God has told me this is a long game. I don't want you to rush it, you know, and so, like, it's getting that patience to just. The dream is to publish. The dream is to get the big book deal, to see my book, you know, in Barnes and Noble and on the bookshelves. Not just, you know, self publish online kind of thing, but to get the actual book deal. I want to have a book deal that's so great that, like, I'm going to need to take to turn my full time lunch lady thing into just part time because I would still like to keep doing that, like, on the side. It's been good for my creative energy too, to just step away and do physical work.

This is why I bring it up. You're. You're going exactly where I wanted you to go. You know how I. I think a lot of listeners right now are resonating with what you're saying. They have these big unfulfilled dreams for their career and they got a day job in the present. How do you manage that tension? Well, embracing the dream, but also being faithful and finding genuine.

Because it doesn't sound like it's fake.

Joy for you in the lunchroom. I don't hear you saying that my job as a lunch lady is only a means to an end until I can write. Like, how do you hold those two things together, the dream and the reality of today, and do it in a faithful way?

It's just remembering I'm believing that God promised this to me. You know, I'm not just like imagining this in my head type of thing. Like, it feels like in my gut. Like you can just feel it. It feels like truth, you know, God gave me these stories and like, why would he give me these stories if he doesn't want me to do something with them? That's the other thing. Like I. I've known for a long time, like since I was like, I don't know, third grade. God created me to be a storyteller. I've always had a story in me. For a long time I didn't know what to do with it. Then I read your Culture Create book and I was like, well, God is creative. And so like, thinking of God as a creative God, that gave me comfort because I was like, it was also just like, oh, well, I'm just creating these fiction stories that are just entertaining. They don't have any deeper meaning or anything like that, you know. And so I read your book though, and it was like, oh, God made me to be creative. And I'm not gonna let that go just because it's not working out the way that I wanted it to work out. But I have to do these other jobs for money, for other reasons, you know, that kind of thing. And these jobs are giving me joy. So it's not like it's a big problem. And I don't wanna let go of that either because I find great joy and in working with others, in getting my hands dirty and doing the physical aspect of the job, as well as finding joy in creating these separate worlds type of thing. So it's just going, okay, I'm going to do both. So it's just finding balance. But I don't want to give either one up.

Yeah. Isaiah 65 says, God's chosen people will long enjoy the work of their hands on the new Earth. Maybe you'll be serving food in one of the new Earth's epic dining halls. Maybe you'll be filling heaven's libraries with works of fiction. Right. But in the present, just called to be faithful to the work God's put in front of you. Right?

Yeah.

Amen. Well said. Hey, Jillian, three questions. You know, we wrap up every conversation with number one, which books do you find yourself reading, recommending or gifting to others the most frequently?

Oh. So I definitely recommend your books to a lot of people, even non Christian friends. Especially the the Redeeming youg Time book. Yeah.

Interesting.

I just know so many people that are like, I don't know what to do. I don't know my book recommendations. Beyond that, I don't have anything that I specifically recommend because I try to recommend something that's catered to one's fictional tastes or like something that I enjoyed so well, I'll tell you what, you.

Know, on the topic of redeeming your time, this is fascinating to me. Obviously, I wrote that book for the church. I wrote that book for believers. It is the gospels on the. Hopefully nearly every page of that book. But so many people have gifted it to their non Christian friends because it is so practical and so helpful. It's interesting. We see a lot of non believers who have loved the book just because it's practical and they're open to the gospel message because of it, which has been just an unbelievable thing to watch God do. It's very cool. Jillian, who do you want to hear on this podcast talking about how the gospel influences the work of mere Christians in the world?

I think it'd be interesting to hear from maybe someone in the medical profession, especially given everything that's going on right now and like that balance of, you know, seeing everything from a medical, scientific point of view, but also from a gospel point of view, because I feel a lot of clash in that right now. Like, can there be both? You know, that kind of thing is. Is having, you know, confidence in science, taking away from faith, just things like that would be really. I think that would be interesting to hear.

Jillian, what's one thing from our conversation today you want to reiterate before we sign off to encourage listeners like you, working in the world as mere Christians?

Don't undervalue yourself because you're just a lunch lady, just a target worker, or any kind of retail or just a nurse or just an anything. Fill in the blank. You know what I mean? People are really good at undervaluing themselves. And God values us. We, every one of us, is his masterpiece.

Yeah. Ephesians 2:10. We are God's masterpiece. Yeah.

And you are where you need to be. And what you do is valuable. You just need to kind of open your eyes and see it. If you're not seeing it, ask God to show you, I guess.

And I think God's using you today, Jillian, to open up a lot of people's eyes to the meaningful work they do. I just want to commend you for the exceptional work you do, Jillian, every day. For the glory of God, the good of others, the good of some of the least of these in your community. Thank you for serving as a faithful ambassador for our king. Giving the kids in that lunchroom a taste of good food. Yes. But more importantly, a taste of Christ, a taste of his kingdom. And thank you for reminding us that the creator, God does humble work. Himself smiles upon the humble, obscure work that most mere Christians listening to this podcast are doing today. Guys, if you want to check out Jillian's books, you can search JF Jenkins on Goodreads and Amazon. Jillian, thank you again so much for hanging out with me today.

You're very welcome. Like I said, thank you for having me.

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