Ask Jorge: Can intermittent fasting negatively affect women’s hormones? #JorgeCruise

What's up guys? I'm in the car here with a dear friend from Malibu and Hawaii, although we haven't forgotten Hawaii. Do you want to tell them who you are, Gabby? I think everyone knows who you are. I want to brag a little bit, but give them the more modest intro, like how people introduce you.

Well, I'm known— my name is Gabby Reese, and one of my first careers was a professional beach volleyball player, so some people Can identify me with that. I've done a lot of things around, uh, and in the health and wellness space.

Amen to that.

And I'm married to a surfer named Laird Hamilton. So sometimes I'm known as Laird's wife. Yes. Yes. Which is a great honor.

And you're also an actress and author.

Not so much acting. It's like when they ask you to come in and play a trainer in Gattaca.

Did you play?

Is that what you did? I've been in a few films, but they're right in my lane of like, can you be like a very tall blonde volleyball player?

And you're like, that's me.

That's Not really acting. I've been in a few films and then written some stuff.

And you have an amazing book on relationships and everything, kind of your distinctions on being a woman married to a very, uh, traditional man, right?

Alpha. Well, that actually isn't traditional in the sense of like, where's my dinner, woman, right?

Right.

Not like that.

He's very alpha, I will say that. But, um, you know, we have 3 daughters and he had a great love and respect for his mother.

Yeah.

So he is a huge, um, proponent of strong women.

Yeah.

But he is very alpha. So my book, it was called My Foot's Too Big for the Glass Slipper and, um, A Guide to the Less Than Perfect Life. Because I think also sometimes people think, oh, I— if I get married and I have kids and, you know, that whole picket fence. And the joke was I wanted to call it death by domestication because sometimes, you know, you get into these situations and, and they can be uncreative.

Yeah.

People can lose their identities. And, you know, you become someone's mother or father.

Yeah.

Someone's husband or wife.

You lose your identity.

And you lose your own identity. And, and, and I don't want to say women are— this happens to us more than men.

Yeah.

But it feels like it might a little bit.

We lose ourselves.

Yeah.

Or let's, let's reframe that. Maybe it's whoever stays or is assigned more or the agreement is that they'll be with the kids more.

Yep.

I think it's easier, the homestead more. And I— both Laird and I worked, but still, because I am the female— well, you're always on the—

I remember you on the Today Show. I mean, you were a busy gal, to say the least.

Really fortunate and busy. And so anyway, so the book wasn't really— you know, I never believe in telling people what to do.

Yeah.

Um, I think it's about invitations and suggestions and sharing. And, um, and so I shared just kind of like my own process of going into it as a very kind of motivated female and then realizing that maybe if I explored some of my feminine nature within the home dynamic, there was something really powerful in that.

And that brought and kept you guys— now you've been together how many years now? Or married?

We have been married almost 22 years and together 24. But also my husband is, you know, this is actually the biggest rule. It isn't about male and female.

And we're eventually going to get to ask Jorge here in a minute because you're going to help me. We're going to take someone's call. And someone who actually is a bit of a fan. She wrote me at Jorge at JorgeCruise.com. If you guys want to join us in the future, not that you're going to be on all these shows, but you're my first celebrity guest. Oh, wow. Thank you.

I'm honored.

And we are in LA. If you guys didn't notice, we were in West Hollywood and now we're about to go where? Tell them.

We're going to heading up. We're passing Fountain and we're heading up the famous or infamous Sunset Boulevard.

Do you have any crazy Sunset stories later?

I wasn't one to hang out at the Chateau Marmont.

Oh, the Chateau Marmont. Very chic of you. But you know, you did not.

I've eaten a lot on Sunset.

There's some great restaurants. Yeah.

Um, I had a boyfriend that actually lived down south. Oh, naughty.

Oh, naughty.

Yeah. I'm going to have one or two of those, right? Well, you know, we all have pasts and histories, but I mean, you have to try on all the different hats.

Yeah, no, exactly. So we've got a gal who's got a question about, she knows that you're like a big fan of you. She's going to go kind of crazy and she's in Idaho and she's standing by for the call right now. We'll take her in a minute, but you got to finish the stripe because I interrupted you.

Oh no.

Just wrap it up for us because 20, how many years again?

Almost 24.

That's amazing.

Yeah, I think, you know, listen, this is the only thing I have learned that seems to be universal, is we actually have to all take care of our side of the street. So what I mean by that is like, so whether you're in a same-sex relationship, you know, heterosexual, whatever relationship you're in, yeah, people, yes, each person's responsibility to make themselves happy. But also, if I say, hey, I'm gonna try to be loving and support Laird and do all these things, I can't make Laird do the same for me. That has to be Laird's choice. And so when I say that, it's like almost more of coming to the realization of I'm going to do my best and hopefully you'll choose to do your best.

Totally.

And we'll see where that shakes out. Not I'm going to do my best and either try to control you or give you ultimatums or, um, you know, that's going to be on the person.

Totally.

And either that will— then the relationship will continue or it won't. And I, and I will say on my side, like, my husband, you know, serves the relationship a great deal and he serves himself, which I think is really healthy.

Yeah, yeah. We allow him to be himself. And, you know, I'm going through— not that I talk about it publicly, but if we're going to talk about it for a minute, I mean, I'm going through a divorce. It's my second and it's hard. My ex-spouse and I were together almost 5 years and there was a bit of that same dynamic. And, you know, it's hard. And I feel like I wasn't patient enough and waiting a little bit. And there was that you know, excitement of being in love, you know, get engaged and all that. And you guys didn't get engaged too quick, or was it quick?

Oh no, we didn't. I would have married Larry the first week we went together. 8 days later, we've been 2 years.

Yeah, no, I got hit, I got struck by, you know, he's kind of a hot guy.

Well, he's a very special person. Well, there's only one of those.

He's a sexy man. And he, I mean, my son who's 15 loves surfing now. I mean, once he finds out, we've been talking. I mean, and who knows who your husband is? I think most people know Larry. But, uh, should we take this call? Are you— all right, let's do it. It's Senessa. Senessa.

Okay, that's in the call.

I forget about it. In Idaho, right? Oh yeah, we got to tell them what we're seeing right now. Like everything. It's like Times Square, right?

Oh yeah, we've got a House of Cards billboard. Nice. Posse. A Welcome to the New Norm. That's a good one.

Oh yeah, Mad Men, right?

Yeah, all kinds of stuff.

Now it's lovely. The old All right, let's get her on here.

We're doing double unsafe.

Sorry, guys.

Hello?

Hello? This is Jorge Cruise.

This is Vanessa.

Hey, Vanessa, how are you?

I'm great.

Okay, hold on one second. The Bluetooth just kicked in. It was off. Gabby is my witness. It was off for a minute, right?

Yeah.

So hold on. You're in the car with me. And do you happen to know who Miss Gabby Reese is?

I mean, yes, who doesn't?

So, uh, and I was sharing with her that you emailed me, and would you share with me and Gabby kind of your question in a nutshell? Would you mind?

Yeah, so my question is, can intermittent fasting negatively affect a woman's hormones and its balance?

That's a really good question. I think, uh, Well, first of all, you know, it's always important to get your blood work done periodically just to have a baseline marker.

Yeah. And we're not doctors, as much as you're into fitness and I am.

Definitely not a doctor.

I always say check with your doctor.

Always check with your doctor. And then also, you know, if you're, if you're after, you know, a period of time, like I like to do it yearly, even though sometimes I go longer than that, you get them checked again. But here's what, here's what I think. I mean, there's going to maybe be the once in a while someone that is impacted that way, but I think that there are so many positive, uh, you know, so much positive impact by intermittent fasting. But the key to it is that when you are eating, you are eating foods with the right enzymes, macronutrients, micronutrients to support your system, including your hormones.

Amen.

So it's not like, well, I didn't eat all day and then I have Pop-Tarts, right?

Yes, right.

You want to be having, you know, the right amount of greens. You want to make sure that you know, your digestion if you eat animal protein, high-quality animal protein.

Yeah, grass-fed if possible.

Well, the highest quality.

We're avoiding that fire. There's a fire of some sort on Sunset, so we're making a U-turn.

And I, and I think the other thing is, you know, you hear a lot about people eating healthy fats, and that is great, but it's also better to do that separately from carbohydrates, right? So if you're eating— okay, so if you're saying, hey, I'm gonna, you know, have avocado or olive oil or even coconut oil you won't do it. It's better to do it with plants and animals versus like a sweet potato. So understand that, that one of the elements— yeah, carbohydrates and healthy fats are not your best friend. So, um, I would get my baseline blood work done and then making sure when I was eating— when I'm— I mean, all the time, but when you're intermittent fasting is you're talking about the highest quality to make your machine function at a high level.

Yeah. And I'll tell you, on my end, you know, because Cruise Control is about making it easier for people, and we've been doing it now in Malibu for like almost 3 years. And that's how we met back in the— literally at a restaurant in Malibu, our favorite place.

Yes.

Uh, Olo, or is it called— oh, shout out to Olo's. Uh, and you know, I've been working with Brooke Burke and a lot of the people there. One of my mentors is Mark Sisson. You know Mark? I want his abs still at 64. He's got the best abs. I mean, no, no disrespect to your husband, but How does Mark Sisson do that?

Right?

But he does do fasting. He does intermittent fasting.

He does and he controls, you know, all of— you know, what you start to realize is even when you exercise, 85% of the deal is your food.

Totally.

Totally. And so people can say, "Well, I don't have time to train." And it's like, we don't have to kill ourselves if we walk and do some stretching and breathing. But the powerful tool is the control we actually possess by the food that we put into our mouths.

And I'll tell you from doing this with hundreds of people before the book came out, and it's only been out 2 months and it's number 1 in nutrition and You know, it's teaching people exactly what Gabby says about quality, not quantity. You know, having those good macros. But what I've noticed, and when you— when I called her just a few minutes before we connected, and you shared with me really your concerns possibly, and I'll tell you the greatest concern I've noticed in women that are— now remind me your age, are you 36? Do I remember right?

Yes, correct, 36.

So with women that I work with— baby, she's a baby— but a lot of women in midlife or a little older Yeah, what I've noticed with intermittent fasting, once they lose that belly fat especially, their hormones start to kick in again and, you know, they have a menstrual cycle again. And they kind of, and I know some women don't like that, but it's a natural thing of being young, right? Listen, I'm 49.

No, I'm 49.

We're almost the same age, yeah.

And I, yeah, and I have, still have my cycle and I will do everything I can to keep my cycle. Your bone density, your skin, all these things are connected to having, you know, this monthly turnover. So we want to embrace our menstrual cycles, but also if you are eating correctly, they can be a lot more forgiving. Your menstrual cycles, cramps, fatigue, all of that improves with a good diet. And then you can take magnesium and I would take it at night since sometimes it can make you relax. That also can sort of help the menstrual cycle.

And I'll interrupt for one second. I worked with years ago with Oprah's gynecologist, Dr. Christiane Northrup from Dartmouth. And I did a PBS special with her once, and the thing she says that causes hormonal havoc is sugar.

Of course, sugar is the culprit for it all.

Oh, it's— I don't want to be French here, but it fucks up your body. We can do it, you know, this is on Facebook and Instagram and YouTube, so, you know, we don't have to worry about it. But sugar will do that. And so when we do eat, like Gabby says, you know, with cruise control, whether it's 2 meals or 1 during that 8-hour window, you know, most of my clients start with 2, but it is quality, you know. And it's, you know, I love a big organic salad, and I love I love products like I'm drinking, tell them what I'm drinking right here. This is water obviously, but it has some electrolytes in it, right?

Yeah, it has minerals and a highly bioavailable mineral. This is my, we have a brand called Laird's Superfoods. That's a creamer coffee business, but you're actually drinking the hydrate product. So a lot of times you hear people say, I have to be hydrated, but they're not doing it with the minerals that their body can actually absorb and be hydrated. So, you know, you'll hear people can put Himalayan salt or things like that in there. I think the other interesting thing, and Jorge, maybe you could talk about this, is like sometimes people think, oh, well, if, and I agree with this, if I don't eat now, my metabolism's gonna shut down.

Yeah, that's a bit of a myth.

Right, and then when I do eat, I'm gonna put all the pounds on. And that really just goes back to eating the highest quality bioavailable foods, right?

100%, 100%. And I think what you'll notice, because your biggest concern, what was your concern or what have you noticed? Jump in for a second about your concern. Go a little more detail, give us another, sentence or two, please.

Okay, so just to give you like, I've had the worst periods, not to get like too personal, but like in bed for days, heavy bleeding. And I've been doing the cruise control for 2 weeks. I bought the book 3 weeks ago, started 2 weeks ago. And I literally started my period last week and I didn't even know. I had no cramps, light, the bleeding was not bad. Like it's literally changed my life. Wow. But then I read this, article where it was like, oh, but it screws up your hormonal balance. I was like, that cannot be right. I mean, it's literally changed my life.

Oh my God. Well, that is, and in less than a month, right?

Yes. I mean, I've been to doctors and blood tests and all this stuff. Like, what's wrong? Why is it the cramping? And why is the heavy bleeding and the clotting and all that, you know, lovely stuff. And literally I did not even know that I was on my period.

Wow.

I mean, you as a woman, I mean, I mean, as you said, embrace this. And I feel like this is a, I mean, your body, and you know, I always talk about ancestral health, 'cause I learned that from Mark Sisson years ago. I've been friends with him for like 15 years. And you know, our ancestors, even just as far back as the Victorian time period, and I talk about it in the book a little bit, didn't always eat 3 meals every day, 'cause there wasn't refrigeration, there wasn't packaged foods. And I always kind of spill the beans that Harvey Kellogg, you know, he's selling some cereal, he created the term breakfast, but it was really breaking the fast, the first meal of the day, meaning in the morning. And I feel like when you go back to the way we were really designed to eat, take it over, right? It's— your body goes back. And I feel like, I mean, you're living proof of this. You're 49 and on record here. And then, you know, not to get personal as well, but yeah, I mean, you're just as healthy as you were when you were 29, right?

Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, we, we have— again, we always talk about being your advocate for your health. Yeah, being your own best advocate. So what you did by experimenting and trying the cruise control and intermittent fasting is you took charge of your health.

Yeah.

And by experimenting safely, you can also know for yourself the impact.

Yeah.

And I think that's important for all people. So I really commend you, but I would even play around with it. Go like, well, when my period comes, maybe because I'm down in my iron, maybe I need to eat some more greens, leafy greens, or things like that. See how— yeah, see how you feel even by kind of controlling it that way.

Yeah, no, I agree. And one of the things that— and one of the things I do every morning if I don't have, uh, like electrolyte water, I like this product called Lightline. I think you know about it, is that right?

Yeah.

Yeah, but if I don't have that, and this I learned from your hubby years ago, I think he wrote for Men's Journal or still does, but he talks about pink Himalayan sea salt with a pinch of, or no, with a pinch of Himalayan sea salt with lemon.

Lemon.

And I've been doing that forever and it super hydrates you and allows your body with the magnesium, the potassium, the sodium to hold that water and you just don't pee it out. And that is something I have here too.

Where's, what'd you give me?

You gave me something, show me.

I gave, yeah, that's Is it the actual? No, I took the package. No, no, this is the hydrate.

So what is this that I'm drinking? This is something you guys made as well.

This is the lazy man's early morning, um, you know, routine before you would have a coffee or tea. It's got lemon, yeah, cayenne and ginger and minerals. So if you haven't had any liquid for 8 to 9 hours, because hopefully that's how long you're sleeping—

amen—

we, we would take this as the first thing. And there's no sugar in there, so if you are doing cruise control or something like that, you won't impact that.

Cruise control approved.

The digestion process and things like that. So that's just an easy way if you for some reason would be inhibited by having to squeeze a lemon and get the salt, because we put some other things.

No, and it's great. So I feel like— have you been hydrating as well using either— I mean, obviously one for the menstrual cycle. Oh yeah, right. I mean, have you— how much— how's your water intake, would you say?

Um, it's, it's a lot better since I started. It's something that I really focus on trying to get in the right amount, drinking enough.

Yeah, good.

Every day.

And you know when you're in your cycle or the 2 days before how you really crave sugar? That would be a good time to look at your protein intake and your good fat intake because a lot of times the sugar, they say we crave it because then we use it as a carrier to actually take from healthy tissue. Yes. So instead of like going for the chocolate, maybe go for something with a little, like a little high in protein and if, if, and, uh, and good fat, and that might help subside the sugar cravings.

Totally.

Oh, I love that. That's such a great idea.

Well, I'm just so excited. I mean, do you feel like you got a good answer? I hope, because I had a little help here, but I think you know what you're talking about.

Well, especially when it comes to women's health, because yeah, you can't talk about your best friend.

You know, I've had a lot of female clients.

Amen.

But that's why I say I the real thing here. And you know, you're the real deal.

So it's really happening.

Yeah.

And then, you know, I'm going to send you a copy of the book. And can we send her some of the Hydrate and some of the stuff? Yeah, send us all that. And you're in Idaho, is that right?

Yes, I am.

How is Idaho today? I mean, obviously we got a heat wave here in LA, kind of. It says it's— I don't know how the temperature— it's like in the 80s, right? Yeah, it's not that bad.

Um, it's about 70 degrees. We're having some thunder and lightning, so I'm still wearing like light, you know, light sweaters, and my family in California is like, it's 110 here.

Well, I can't thank you enough for sharing, and, you know, we're gonna probably upload this this week, uh, this show. And okay, thank you for being a part of this revolution. And will you please keep in touch with me? And you know how to get a hold of me. And everyone watching that wants to be on the show, I can't always promise Gabby will be here, but you just email me at jorgecruise.com. It's pretty basic. And, uh, and if people want to find you on social, tell them all your social handles, etc.

Gabby Reese on Instagram. Instagram, and same for my Facebook.

And, uh, website?

Yes, Gabrielle Reese, same thing. You guys can find me, it's fine. Google.

Yes, yes.

And, uh, no, Jorge, you have really— you have literally, like, take— this is a game changer, like, with my— what it's done. No, like, seriously. And I even was just on the phone with my sister not too long ago, and I said, you gotta do it, because she has the same problems too. And I really appreciate, uh, your advice, Gabby, and I Thank you.

Well, we're so excited. Thank you for being on the show here and my first guest here.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me. For being on Ask Jorge and thank you for asking me the questions. You're the best.

And this stuff is important because this is a lot of people are going through this.

Oh gosh, yeah. And keep me posted on everything. Are you trying to lose weight as well? I hate to ask, but sometimes people do that, right?

Oh yes, yes I am.

All right, well keep me posted on all that and I'm sure we'll talk soon, okay?

Okay, thank you so much.

All right, God bless, peace and purpose, bye. Well, Gabby, that was great. I mean, amazing, right? Oh good, easy. 36 and she's back to like 26.

Amazing.

And you are 26. So you like literally, you're not even in perimenopause, nothing?

Not yet. Wow.

Well, the fountain of youth. And you do intermittent fasting? Yeah. What's your window? I haven't asked.

Well, if I get intense, I'll go into autophagy, so I'll do 4-hour window. 8 is— I do 8 every day. I don't, you know, I find it— I don't eat till usually 12 or 1 every day.

Yeah, same here.

But, um, if I'm training hard, I will have the coffee.

Yeah.

So then I actually— because there's fat, it sort of takes me out of that.

Totally. Yeah.

But yeah, and then if I'm feeling good and I have like— I have a window where I can do it, I'll try to go, um, and keep it down 4 hours, you know, from, you know, sort of 4 to 8. Actually, the ideal for me—

I like 4 too. I've been doing that.

It's better feeling better.

Autophagy, that's all about autophagy. If you guys don't know what that is, I talk about in the book as well. Do you want to tell them? It's like housekeeping, right?

Yeah, basically it sort of accelerates, I think, 3 times, or the science is touch and go on that.

But I love that we love everything we talk about.

Well, I think it's— listen, if we can— because I just know I function better as a human better being when I feel better. And it's not about like, oh, I want to be super fit and raw. It's like I'm trying to be the best overall human organism I can be, and that, and that one of those elements is supported by my physical practice. So, um, so autophagy, some of this, the implication is, is that it's sort of almost 3 times better than intermittent fasting. So what you would do is like, I have a friend who does it very regularly, and what he does he has only caffeine in the morning with no fat, but he does use stevia because it doesn't bump you out of—

No, I love stevia. My fruit sometimes—

He's always trying to like— I'm like, how's that, you know, Zevia, you know, soda? He's looking for anything just to get him through.

Yeah, yeah. And then will he do this? Has he done your drink or not yet?

Oh yeah, at 4 o'clock he'll have 4 to 8 or 4 to 7 is his open window, his 4 hours.

It's almost exactly what I do, right?

So autophagy they, they say that if you sort of have these dysfunctional cells and then the stress you're putting on the mitochondria, which boosts the mitochondria and helps the mitochondria, uh, multiply within the cell and all of these really important and powerful things that help support overall slow aging and great health.

Yeah.

Um, and then, oh, there's all the obvious benefits, you know, inflammation. There is sort of weight management because what happens is you kick your body into becoming efficient to, you know, burn the fat.

Oh yeah, and, and belly fat in particular.

Yeah, which is the death, right? We want to get that stuff off our organs because it is not about how it looks. It's about that when that's over your organs, the amount of stress that it puts on your body to do normal, you know, functions. Yeah, it's too much. So I've noticed my friend's been really practicing it for about 2 months. Yeah, and he's significantly shifted his physique.

Wow.

And he was already really healthy, but even better and younger feeling, probably. Well, yeah, and the skin looks good. And what's interesting is there's a couple other things that I know you must talk about all the time. All of a sudden, you could care less about, "Oh, I feel like ice cream." No, you just want real food.

Yeah, yeah. And so then— And you don't need a lot too.

It gets you control of your cravings because when you do these practices of intermittent fasting or going into autophagy, all of a sudden, it isn't about the extra snacky foods.

Yeah.

It's not. Then all of a sudden, you're like, "I would be so happy with a plate of salad." And if I eat animal protein high-quality protein. You're not even thinking about all the extra stuff that we use all the time.

No. Yeah, yeah.

And so really puts you, I think, in charge of that a lot.

Yeah.

And like you said, we need very little food, and it's— but we just have to make sure to eat the good stuff.

Yeah. And we forget that. And I think it's quality, not quantity, is the recap. And then embrace— for the ladies out there, obviously wrap up with what you said in the beginning here with her— you got to embrace that. Because I know some women, and I've met a lot of celebrities, what, they don't want their period? They want to take birth control pills or something to stop it. You know, it's like this pain. And I mean, not that we want to continue talking about this, but to embrace this, I mean, it is part of being a woman.

Listen, it's a pain in the butt. I'm not gonna lie.

Okay.

You know, I've had my period for 35, 36 years, right?

It's longer than most.

It is a pain in the butt.

Yeah.

But it is nature's design, and that is for the benefit of our health. And so how do we do it in a way where it inconveniences us less?

Totally.

So our cramps are not bad, we're So, you know, maybe our volume is less. And I think we can do that by eating better. And I think the intermittent fasting actually just helps us get on top of those good habits.

Yeah.

And it kind of like, as you said, it not only disease proofs your body, belly fat proofs it, but it also age proofs it. I think we need that. I mean, all of us, I mean, a lot of my fans are in midlife or in their 50s or 60s. And I feel like we gotta, And you know, not everyone's a millennial, you know, and there's a lot of us out there and I feel like millennials need it more than anyone because, you know, the stats right now on people's health is pretty—

I mean, our children's life expectancy is shorter than ours and that's the first time in history, right?

It's insane.

Yeah. So there's so much good information out there. And so if someone is in their 50s or 60s, the other thing they have to realize is to make these changes, sometimes the mountain looks quite high. But for them to realize, like, if you could string together a couple good decisions, you know, a couple weeks of good decisions, you could impact your health in a significant way.

Oh, huge.

And your appearance. I mean, for me, those go part and parcel, right? It's not like, oh, I feel so much healthier. You're going to physically see the difference, of course. So I always want to say, like, you could experiment with it and you'd be surprised how powerful it is.

Yeah. I mean, and, you know, I tell my clients that you see results within that first week. And absolutely, sometimes it's a pound a day, sometimes it's not. But just, it's more about like what she shared on here, like she changed her health. And you know, that's, that's incredible. So thank you for joining me. I'm so excited. We're almost back. We're back in rehab. Yeah.

And I'm very passionate about these topics because we do a lot, you know, and reminding people, yeah, not only to care for themselves, but also giving them real ideas.

Yeah.

Like your books where they go, oh, there's a plan, I can follow this plan. Um, it's— I think it's really important.

So, well, thank you for sharing. And, and if they want to find out where to get the goodies, the stuff, Laird's stuff, a layered superfood, you can find at lairdsuperfood.com.

It's actually even on Amazon, and there's— they're in quite a few local markets across the country. And sure, this comes out of a 25-year love affair Laird has had with, uh, using coffee performance and not wanting to sacrifice taste and also the electrolytes and things like that. So there's a lot of passion.

Yeah, well, you gotta— as my buddy Tony Robbins always says, you have to live with passion, right? And I think your husband does that, you do that, and I'm thrilled that I've been doing this forever. And thank you guys for watching. Ask Jorge here, and we'll be back next time. Bye guys, peace and purpose!