Dr. Kathy Humphrey: Future Direction of Carlow University
28 Jun 2022 · 44 min
Dr. Kathy Humphrey, president of Carlow University, discusses the school's mission to expand access to higher education. Carlow serves 2,000 students, 44% Pell-eligible, with a 98% post-graduation employment rate. The university is building a new health-science facility and launching a foster-care support program.
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Well, Joyce, thank you so much for having me on your show today. I count it a great privilege and a great honor to be able to speak with your listeners. And I'm so thrilled to tell you a little bit about my story. Of how I arrived in this position at Carlow University, an institution that really is committed to providing people an opportunity to gain an education that otherwise would not have had the opportunity. So thank you for allowing me to be a part of your program today. So I'll start off with just a little bit about my story. I am the 10th of 12 children. I have about 107 nieces and nephews. I always say about because I never know if somebody has had another one before I counted them. And my family originally began in Shreveport, Louisiana, and then during one of the great migrations, my family moved to the Midwest with the hopes that— but that the children would receive a better education. Now I want to remind I want to remind you that they made that migration in the late '50s. And I was born in '62. And so I was the first person born in Missouri. And that's where they landed, in Kansas City, Missouri. And so I began with my family at that point in time after the decision had been made to leave the South. If you think about the South at that point, it is— we are in high Jim Crow time. And the world is very different than it is today. Oftentimes I'm asked the question, do I think things are better? And if you have my lens, you absolutely believe that things are better. But do we have a long way to go? We have a long way to go, but we've come from a long way as well. So I am a first-generation college student, very similar to the students here at Carlow. My parents wanted more than anything that their children would go to college, and so I am the reality of their dreams and their hopes and their aspirations. I absolutely always, even as a child, I enjoyed school. I loved playing school, and sometimes I played school by myself, and I would teach empty chairs. And I often say, you know, today, because I taught those empty chairs, The chairs are now full of students that I work every day to make sure have an opportunity to really plant their lives from and to soar from foundations that we create for them here. But education has always been important to me from the very beginnings of my life. And I decided to get into university work because while I— while in college, there were very few people who look like me who were in leadership positions. And I believe that I could make a difference for young people that not only look like me, but young people in general. And that's how I landed in higher education, simply because I was trying to fill a void, a need, something that I would have loved to have had, is that somebody that looked like me that was in a leadership role. And so that's my journey in short. I started out— being a hall director. I actually started out being an RA on the floor as a student leader and then becoming a hall director. And then I went from there to being the director of all residence life and all housing and auxiliaries at that point. And then I became an associate VP of student affairs. So I just kind of climbed the ladder that way and went from there to being a vice provost and came to Pittsburgh at that point in time. So left St. Louis U, came to Pittsburgh. At the University of Pittsburgh, served as the vice provost and dean of students, and then became one of the senior vice chancellors at the University of Pittsburgh. And that job led me to this job as the president of Carlow. So that's my life in brief.
Wow. That is quite an inspirational story. I mean, growing up in the South during that time, I know, would not be easy. For someone.
Mm-hmm. But you may— Absolutely.
That is why for someone going through difficulty right now, which sadly there are many in this country, again in the South many, but in addition, you know, other parts of the United States who are people of color, if they feel you know, like they don't have hope right now, what advice would you give them?
Well, I think that, you know, being someone who's different really requires you to develop a sense of self-worth first because, you know, if you're waiting for the world to value you, You may be waiting for your entire life. And so really developing that self-worth, that belief that I am not only worthy, I am valuable, and that I bring a lot to the table. And knowing that, you know, you first have to convince you, because I can't convince other people until I convince myself of my own value and of my own worth. And once I'm convinced of it, the things that happen to me that tries to devalue who I am or try to tell tell me that I can't do something that I know that I can do, it's met with great resistance from me because I've already decided what I am, who I am, and what I'm capable of doing.
We are lucky to have you at Carlow because right now what a great beacon of hope you are for young women and adult women at Carlow University. And men, now that we have a few good men at Carlow. But wow, you know, we're lucky to have you. And I have to ask you about Carlow, because I love Carlow University. I was very honored to be a board member years ago. And I just, love the school and the way they treat people and the fine education. But for our listeners, let— how about if you tell us first about your role at Carlow and then all about Carlow? You know, what is the size? What are the offerings education-wise? I'm going to turn it over to you so you can tell the good news to our listeners.
Fantastic. So, so I serve as the president, and I don't say that word lightly because I believe the ultimate job at a university is to serve that university. Because what we're doing is we're serving others until they're ready to serve themselves. And so I serve as the president, and I'm really, really proud of this university. I came here because Carlos' values sync up with who I am personally and professionally. And some of those values have to do with our commitment to social justice, our commitment to helping people understand you just don't get a college degree for yourself, but to whom much is given, much is required. And that because only 24% of the population in this country have college degrees, my responsibility to, to really make a difference in the places where I stand because of the opportunities and, and gaining Getting a college education is an opportunity that many people never receive. And so I think that the first thing that I'm grateful about, Carlo, is that we talk about education being an opportunity, but not only being an opportunity, but that we really do everything in our powers to make sure that our students leave here with a commitment to others, a commitment to social justice, a commitment to making the world better in the places where they stand. We have about 2,000 students. Students here. 44% of our students are Pell eligible, and for those of you who are not from the U.S., that means that 44% of our students come from homes that are not economically advantaged. About 27% of our students are non-white, and so our population is diverse here, probably one of the most diverse schools in Pittsburgh that— in our surrounding areas. We are known for our health sciences. We are— for example, our nursing students have the highest first-time pass rate of any nursing programs in this city, and it is because we really specialize in teaching here. Our students talk about our faculty in such wonderful ways. They talk about how they care about them, how they nurture them, how they are interested in their success, and how they don't just show up to just give information, but they really show up to really make a difference in their lives. And so that, that making a difference is role models from the time they walk into our doors to the time they walk into the classroom, hopefully all the way out to the time they walk through commencement. I have said many, many times the crowning moment of my year as as president here was commencement. When I asked our graduates to stand who were first generation, who were the first person in their families to graduate from college, and 60% of our audience of our graduates stood. And I tell you the roar of the families and to see the impact that this institution is making and changing not only one person, but changing generations was exciting to me. So we're known for our health sciences. We're getting ready to open a physician assistant program in the fall. And an occupational therapy program in the fall for the first time. We just opened a speech and language program last year, and we're excited about our health sciences, but we also have a very strong education program. We educate people here at Carlow from the age of 66 and beyond, from the age of 0 to 66 and beyond, I should say, because we have an early learning center where we take care of the babies and our, we train and educate people to work in early learning centers through that center. We have a campus lab school that goes from K to 8th grade. And then we have our university students. And then we have our non-traditional students. And our adult students make up about 38% of our population. So there are a lot of non-traditional students involved in a Carlow education. We just are excited that our board just approved two new programs that are— because our university is all about responding to the marketplace. Is really about providing the workforce what it needs. And so we just approved what is called a full-stack degree in computer science. And simply what that means is that the students will gain a certificate, a specialty in an area. And as they gain those specialties, they could exit and go and work right away with that certificate, or they can let those certificates stack up into a 4-year computer science degree. So that's really the wave of the future for education. So we're excited to be on that. And we've also approved— we just approved an esports business major, which is a multibillion-dollar industry that many people are getting involved with, but— and Carlow is one of the first schools in Western Pennsylvania to have that as a major. Some schools have it as a minor. We now have it as a major. You'll get a business degree with that emphasis in esports. As you know, that's really, really important to this generation, both men and women. That just gives you a little high-level overview of who Carlow is. We have over 50 majors and we have almost everything you can imagine that a student can major in, in those 50 majors.
Wow. What I love about you is how excited you are and passionate about Carlow. That is so awesome. Absolutely. You know what, did I hear you right at the beginning that only 24% of people in America have a 4-year degree? Is that what you said?
Yes.
That's terrible.
Yeah, and most of the time we don't think about that. Most of the time we act as if everybody has a college degree here, and that's just not true. Wow.
Well, what I like so much about Carlow, but I love how you have the adult program, how you have all these different, you know, avenues from people that come from different walks of life. That is great. That, that is really exciting. And, you know, for a long time, Carlow was known as a woman's university, but that changed. Isn't that correct?
That's right, that's right. But I will tell you, I believe it was in 1945 when the first men were accepted to Carlow. And most people don't realize that. They see, because our beginnings in 1929, we were an all-female university. But today, we have about 20% of our population, almost 20%, about 18% of our population is male. And we're increasing in that way. Way as well, but we still have a very strong emphasis in preparing women to be strong leaders.
And Carlow— is Carlow University considered a Catholic university?
Yes, we are a Catholic institution. We were founded by the Sisters of Mercy. And you know, Joyce, I just had the opportunity to go to Ireland and kind of trace the steps of the women who came to Pittsburgh to create— well, they They came to Pittsburgh actually to meet the next great need, which was the creation of a college for Catholic women because at that time in 1929, there were no schools in this area accepting women, especially Catholic women in higher education. So from that bold movement, these women came and created Carlow to meet that need. And I say to this day, we are still looking to help meet the next this great need.
And at the university, do you feel that having this Christian Catholic orientation, this spiritual integration, do you feel that that really helps develop the people going to Carlow?
So I will tell you that we know that, you know, there is actually data out there that says that students who have a faith tend to graduate at a higher rate. They tend to be happier, and they tend to be more stable. And so while we are a Catholic institution, we accept people people from all walks of life, from all faiths. And in actuality, in many ways, that is the most Catholic thing we can do, and that is to be accepting and embracing of all people. But to be able to have the spiritual element here, where there is a faith that you can consider, is— we believe is is very important to the growth and development of many of our students.
Well, you have to— I have to say, those Sisters of Mercy, the women that came here from Ireland, wow, they were really trailblazers during that time.
Absolutely. And if you think about those 7 women who came from Ireland to Pittsburgh, and what I love about that story, it says that And when they got here, they immediately went to work. And if you think about what it took them to come here, get on a boat, right, and travel all that way and immediately get to work. And here's the, here's the amazing part of that story, Joyce. They came here with absolutely nothing. And from nothing, they created this university and created Mercy Hospital as well.
Yes, I know. And as all my listeners know, I I am a woman living with epilepsy. That's how it came to be that I started Bender Consulting Services in 1995. And when I had an accident at a movie theater, I fell and had a seizure and fractured my skull and had life-saving brain surgery. Guess where it was? Mercy Hospital. I always tell people—
Wow, that's incredible.
Yeah, that is, that is incredible. Wonderful. And you know what, taking a break here for people listening to the show right now, if they are interested in either their children going to Carlow or they themselves going to Carlow University, what should they do?
So if you are interested in going to Carlow University, we would ask that you go on the web and look up Carlow University. And there you can apply, there you can find out about all of our programs, all of our, not only just our programs, but our services, and I think you would be really thrilled to learn about our institution, and that's just carlow, C-A-R-L-O-W, .edu.
Carlow.edu. So then if you're interested, do you just send— get that information once you go to the website?
Yes, and once you go to the website, if you will just look up apply, you will go directly to how you can become a student here at Carlow University. We would love to have you, and I am sure that we would help— be able to help you find your pathway. It's all about you finding your purpose and your pathway, and we're happy to help you do that. And so again, it's just carlow.edu. And if you hit carlo.edu/apply, it'll take you right directly to our programs.
And I hope you all do look into that. And also, I'm very honored to be on Dr. Humphrey's Presidential Advisory Board, and I know we— committee, committee— I know we talk a lot about people supporting Carlo. And I would hope that if anyone listening to the show would personally like to make a donation, or if a business listening to the show would like to make a donation, I must say that right now in our country we need hope. And we— one way that you get hope is through education and through embracing social justice. So if someone is interested, whether it be a business or an individual, how, how do you make a donation?
So if you go right back to that site, carlo.edu, you can make a donation right there on that site. It'll say donate, and if you just click on that, we would be grateful because again, you know, 44% of our students really need, they need help and they need assistance. To get through this process. But not only that, Joyce, we're getting ready to start a program specifically for foster care children. That foster— only 3%— I believe only 20% of foster children even go to college. And of that 20%, only 3% of them graduate. And we're trying— we're in the process right now of designing a program that will wrap around this population of young people and that will really help them get to the finish line. These are These are young people with no families. These are young people with no support. These are young people who will have no place to go for Christmas or Thanksgiving or for the summer that we will have to provide support systems around so that we can help them become something greater, something more than they could have ever dreamed or imagined to change the trajectory of their families' lives for the future. So that's a program that I would love to get assistance with. For corporations, We are literally helping corporations to upskill their employees. So for example, we are working with Allegheny Health, and I know they're one of your sponsors. We are working with them on a program to upskill their employees. We are working with Whole Care, Highmark Whole Care, to create a certificate of courses that will help their employees specifically become better employees, but at the same time, time they are getting college credit. And some of those students this year have even decided they want to move from the certificate and they want to actually become college students. So it's exciting to see that growth and development. So it's not just taking or gaining a contribution from those corporations, but I'm also interested in how can I help those corporations be successful as well.
You know what, and that is so awesome. Let me say, you know, and this is what I say about hiring people with disabilities. What do I hear over and over? We can't find people, we can't find people. And I'll say, oh, I know this untapped labor pool of people that want to work who can be, you know, senior in a senior IT role. Procurement, HR, you know, we fill positions across the United States all the way to the federal government. Uh, but at the same time, you have a university that can work with you and have people trained in what you're looking for. And what a great way to be able to bring people on board. I don't know, Dr. Humphrey, Do you ever have companies want students on an internship?
Absolutely. Absolutely. We, we do it several ways. First of all, most of our students have some kind of internship before they leave here, and that, that's probably one of the reasons why 98% of our students are employed or in graduate or professional schools once they graduate within 6 months. 98% of them. And I really believe that has a lot to do with the practical experiences that we try to provide our students.
Well, you know what, that makes all the difference. Having that internship makes all the difference. So once again, you know, it's carlow.edu. But even if you're a business person listening to the show, you should go back and tell this information you have, you know, to where you work. But I want to say one other thing, you know, these shows You can subscribe to any show on Spotify. All you have to do is go to Spotify, subscribe to Disability Matters with Joyce Bender on voiceamerica.com, and you can hear all the old shows. And why am I telling you that? If you're listening now and you're thinking, oh, I wish so-and-so would have heard this show, oh, they can because it's on demand on Spotify. Apple, VoiceAmerica.com, BenderConsult.com. I mean, there are so many ways that you can hear the show and share it because not everyone can hear it in the daytime. But it's a great show, this show, to share with others so they can hear Dr. Humphrey. And by the way, Dr. Humphrey, I know I missed this— and I apologize if you told me— when did you start? What month did you start working?
Sorry, I started last July, so I'm really coming up on a year anniversary, which is exciting.
Your one year is coming up. Boy, perfect timing on this show. We could say this is your anniversary show, Dr. Hunter.
That's right, that's right. Joyce, I should tell you that Um, of our 2,000 students, we service 300 of them through our disabilities office. So we have a robust program here to support those individuals with disabilities. And so that— this is a place where I want everybody to feel welcome, and I want to make sure that we have the capacity to help everybody reach their destination.
Oh, well, that is awesome. Well, we certainly have a lot of people with disabilities listening to the show, and I assume, and I'm sure you get people from across the United States that go to Carlow.
Yes, absolutely.
Now, that's one thing I wanted to ask you about. What about during COVID What did you do during that time?
So, so COVID has been a challenge, I think, for everyone, and of course Carlow did what universities did. Carlo went virtual, but last year we had more of a hybrid. We had some classes virtual, some classes on ground. This year we're going, we're going mostly on ground, but we will always have courses that you can take online. We have full programs, full degree programs that you can do online, but for some individuals online is not the best method of delivery. So we are still a full on-ground institution.
Oh, that is good. That's very good. And what are your graduate programs? What graduate programs do you have?
Oh boy, so we have many, many graduate programs. I told you a little bit about the health science programs, but we also have business programs. We have education programs. Our education programs in our graduate programs are— go all the way to a doctorate degree. In education, and just about anything you can think of in the social sciences. So social work, psychology are programs that we do in addition to our health science programs as well.
Well, I know one thing, that is a really hot area that you are in, healthcare. Anyone, if you're listening, you're a young person and looking for a career where you know there is a huge demand, it's healthcare. I know many of my customers like AHN, they're constantly looking for people with healthcare, and I'm very proud to tell you that a young man that is like my own nephew, uh, it goes to Carlow University to be a nurse. And Jonathan, yes, and he loves it. And I'm so, so happy that he is at Carlow and so impressed with the education he is receiving. But I'm sure you get a lot of calls from healthcare entities looking for people.
Absolutely, absolutely. Our nursing students and our students who are in the other healthcare areas, they get job offers jobs right away. And, you know, many of those students get bonuses just to sign up for those positions as well.
Yes, that's right. So, Dr. Humphrey, here you are, your anniversary of one year. So, I mean, that, that was a lot, just getting all of this learning under your belt when you start a new position at the executive level. So what are your aspirations now for Carly? As you go into your next several years?
Well, you know, Joyce, you're helping me with one of them right now, and that is oftentimes we've heard that Carlow is the best-kept secret, and I need to tell the secret. I need to tell the world about this amazing university that is really changing people's lives every single day. So thank you for, for helping me to get the word out about this amazing place. So there's many things we are looking to really increase our graduation rates, because it's not enough for me for the student to walk in the door. I need to make sure, we need to make sure that that student gets to the finish line and that student ends up really becoming who they want to become, and that's so, so very important to us. We're getting ready to renovate or build a new early learning center, and we're going to build build a state-of-the-art health science center because of all the new health science programs that we have. And so that's going to be an exciting part of our next— of our work for the future. Making absolutely sure that we have the majors that are responding to the workplace is work that we're doing every single day. We're evaluating, are we training people to do what this economy needs from this generation of students. And so that's another one of our high hopes for Carlow.
Well, that is absolutely a great goal. I want to say, you know, what you said about the secret. Yeah, I know, a lot of people say Carlow University. They are the best kept secret in Pittsburgh. You know what? We don't want to be a best kept secret. We want to be the best. We still want to be the best. But that's why I said, if you're listening to the show, please share it with other people. You can grab the podcast, get it out there, spread the news, because this is such a great university. Carlo is such a great university. Well, you know, Well, when I heard your story that you told earlier at the beginning of the show and where, where you went from and where you are now, obviously you had someone behind you or someone now you look up to that helped you. So who would you say is your role model?
You know, that question is always so hard for me because because I've never been anywhere where there wasn't somebody that I learned from or that didn't really help me. And I have so many role models because, you know, beginning with my very own mother and who I think I often quote sayings that she told me. I just quoted one of her sayings at staff meeting this morning, and that quote was, anybody can be slow, Hello, there's nothing special about it. To strong women that I have worked for in the past that has really showed me by example. And I would say that that's the one single thread through all my role models. They have always been— they have showed me by example. It wasn't what they said. It's what I saw them do that really transformed my own life. And I'm trying to be careful not to list names because I'm going to forget somebody who's really important. But I will tell you that I have had both men and women who have really invested in my life. And because of their investment, I'm sitting here talking to you. Without their investment, I could not. And that's why it's so important to me to do that for others as well, because somebody did it for And people do not realize, I mean, why you need to pay it forward.
People do not realize the impact that has on someone's life, as you said, from the beginning to right, you know, to right now. And would you not agree that just lending a hand, just listening, because it's all about As Maya Angelou said, you know, it's all about being there. It's always about how you made the person feel. Presence, being involved. At Carlow University, don't you like have your young people where they go out and do work in the community or overseas? Don't you do that a lot at Carlow?
Absolutely. That's very important to us here. As a matter of fact, I should tell you that we recently purchased a facility that we're going to create a standing food bank in. And a part of that—
Oh, that is great.
—will be our students serving on a daily basis, providing for our internal and our external community. Giving back is crucial to who we are.
And is that just something that people do on their own, the students, or is that part of the training or teaching?
You know, how does that work at Carlow? So I think it's something that we try to instill in our students from the very first year that they are there. You know, for example, we take all the freshmen on a service trip together. We have a Carlow Day of Service that we start the year out with, and then we have other service opportunities as well. But these This is really important work to us because I said at the beginning, you know, it's important to us that our students understand, and I say it frequently, you know, you gain this education and because you've gained it, the service that you owe to the community is great and you should be always in the mind of how do I make a difference with what I have. No matter what you have, how do you make a difference? And so that's something that we hope to instill in them. We talk about our mercy mercy value. And, you know, what mercy means is you being— you having the ability to work— walk into the chaos of other people's lives, you having the desire to walk into the chaos of other people's lives and walk beside them in that chaos, in their world, so that you can help to assist them as they make their worlds better. And that's the mercy value. And oftentimes I hear people even say about our nurses that they know when somebody's been Carlo Trained because there is a difference about how the patient is treated.
Wow, is it that— I love that though, with Mercy, you know, walking into someone's chaos with them, being there for them. Whereas too often, whether it's with the homeless or people in prison or people just living, you know, in below the level without working we turn our head, we turn our eye away. And that's what I love about Carlow, because it's pretty much saying, no, we're not only looking, we're engaging, we're helping. Because as you said at the beginning, social justice is a big part of everything you do at Carlow University. Absolutely. So Dr. Huffree, I want to tell you, it has been absolutely Absolutely a pleasure having you on. I feel, I feel special because I had you on for your anniversary. I feel like, wow, this is perfect timing. Now I want the board to know how awesome she is and how lucky we are to have her at Carlow University. And also, thank you for the privilege of being on that President's Advisory Council. I think that is so—
thank you, Joyce. I really appreciate the investment that you make back into Karla. So thank you so much for not just talking about it but being about it. I appreciate every minute of your time, and I'm so grateful for this opportunity to share.
And everyone else here, remember what I said. You're listening now, you're thinking, wow, I need to learn more about this place, or I should make a donation. Karla carlow.edu. Share the show. Go to Spotify, voiceamerica.com, benderconsult.com, Apple. Really, the show is all over the social media, so share this show with someone so they hear about Carlow University and our great new president, Dr. Kathy Humphrey. Do you have a message for our listeners?
So let me just leave you with this, and that is oftentimes I think about another— my mother's favorite song. And basically it says that if I can help somebody as I pass along the way, if I can cheer somebody with a word or song, if I can show one person that he or she is great and not small, then my living shall not be in vain. Thank you, Joyce, for having me.
Oh, that is a great song. Very great. And what a powerful way to end, Dr. Humphrey. I just love you. I love your spirit. I love you too. Yeah. So we end every show, though, with a quote from someone. And today the quote quote is fitting, and it is: "Education is not the learning of facts, but the training of the mind to think," said Albert Einstein. And how true. Good. Yeah, how true that is. So thank you, everyone. I look forward to talking to you next month as we start the celebration for ADA Month because July 26th is the 32nd anniversary of the signing of the Americans with Disabilities Act. And get ready, we're starting with Maria Town, the CEO of the American Association of People with Disabilities. This is Joyce Bender, America's Voice, where disability matters, at voiceamerica.com. See you next week, and in the words of Mary Brooker, choose joy.
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