Edwin Black: Author Committed to Exposing Corruption/Injustice

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Well, Joyce Bender, thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be on the show again. Sorry there's been such an interregnum, an interregnum, an interregnum, but we've connected again. And I should acknowledge that you were at the cutting edge of the crusade for equal rights and justice for the disabled and for those in the disability community. And I applaud what you do and what you have been doing for many, many years.

Thank you, Edwin. Such a compliment coming from someone like you. And Edwin, a lot of times when I have someone on now, especially now that I have these listeners around the world, they'll say, Wow, that person was really great, but could you tell me more about them, them personally? So I thought maybe a good way to start was with your family and your mother and father and what went on to happen to them, which of course changed the trajectory of the rest of your life. Um, but like where you grew up and, you know, about your family and going on to school, let's hear about you.

Well, uh, my story is, uh, to, to a degree, large— largely known, and I've written about it, but I'm happy to tell your audience, uh, uh, the real underpinnings of how I came to this place. And my parents were, of course, Holocaust survivors. My, uh, mother was pushed out of a train on the way to Treblinka through the small vent by her mother, and she was, she was shot on the ground when, by militias, and she was buried in a mass grave in the snow, and my father saw her leg sticking out of the snow. He himself had walked away from a shooting place And, um, uh, he pulled her out. They— he nursed her back to health, and they lived in the woods for 2 years as forest fighters, that is, partisans. And then when the war was over, they, uh, came to the United States. I should say they, uh, waited 2 years in a DP camp for a number, just for a number, but they came to the United States, and I was born here. So it was always my mission, my crusade, not only to, um, to document and reveal what had happened, but also who were the hidden forces behind these, these events. What was the larger picture beyond the bloodstain and the blood splatter? And so that's how I got into the economic factors. That was the first one. To write anything about economics and the Holocaust, money and the Holocaust. And, um, that was in 1984 with my first book, The Transfer Agreement. And now that's all anyone talks about, is, uh, the economics and the restitution involved in the Holocaust. And of course, I've gone on and, uh, broadened my view To look at all the intersecting factors, the politics, the eugenics, the petropolitics, which is a word I coined, uh, the, uh, demand, uh, and the craving for power, for, uh, um, the control of energy, the control of petroleum, nationalism, migration. Uh, corporate abuse, the corporate involvement of the Holocaust. Of course, I documented that the 5 most important companies in the Holocaust that made a massive pivotal difference to the astronomical numbers are Ford, GM, Carnegie Institution, Rockefeller Foundation, and IBM. So it has been a, a more than half-century journey, and I'm still, uh, on my travels to find justice for many groups. And amongst those groups is the, the disability community and the deaf community. And that's why I'm here talking to you today.

You can probably already tell how just awesome this man is. So I'm going to tell you now, these shows, as you all know, and you may be listening to it right now on demand, uh, because we have such a large on-demand listening audience, uh, but if you are listening to it and you feel like, oh my God, you know, my— I want to share this history, uh, from what's going to happen on this show with someone, you can't because it's on Spotify, Apple, voiceamerica.com, almost all social media platforms you can get this show. So, Edwin Black, make sure you send people to listen to this show. And by the way, these books he writes, oh my God, they're riveting. He is like such an unbelievable writer. These books are Unbelievable, unbelievable. And as I said, certainly had an impact on me. So, Edwin, what are you doing now? We'll talk about your books, but what are you doing now? You know, everything you write is excellent. And as I told everyone, go buy all of his books. But what, what are you working on now?

Well, at this very moment, I'm engaged in 3 or 4 different vectors. One, uh, I'm just trying to put the finishing touches on a massive international investigation of, um, corruption in our national security and the domestic security, uh, uh, realm, which involves Middle East terror— terrorism. I also have my show, The Edwin Black Show, which can be found at theedwinblackshow.com. It was weekly, now it's biweekly, and we cover many stories. We cover the Middle East, we cover anti-Semitism, we cover petropolitics, um, uh, racial matters. And, uh, starting next, next week, uh, we'll do what we do every 4 years. This, it's a 5-year-old show Uh, we will cover, uh, the political scene and try to give clarity, uh, for exactly, um, what the choices are, what the truth is. And the truth is quite elusive, and it's like clay— it gets remade and re-sculpted, uh, in whosoever hand it is. So we're going to do our best to help America, um, make prudent choices. And, uh, in every aspect, we consider what's right for the disability community is right for America.

Wow. Okay, Edwin Black, theedwinblackshow.com, is that what it's called?

It's The Edwin Black Show. Edwinblack.com. Uh, we're live just like you, but, um, after it, uh, is re— is recorded, it's on Zoom. And after it's recorded, it gets edited with, uh, uh, great music and illustration and documentation. And then we have our own YouTube channel, The Edwin Black Show, on you— on YouTube. And we've exceeded 70,000 Uh, reviews, and, uh, we're just trying to go where no one else has gone, uh, getting at the truth and then proving it visually with the documentation in every show. And I'm sure that your, uh, listeners will benefit from it greatly.

Oh, I have no doubt that they will. Boy, you're going to have a lot to talk about with what's going on right now in the Middle East, Edwin?

Well, you can ask away. I'm ready. I deal with those issues moment to moment, 24/7. I have the historical background and the background in international law to give clarity, so I'm here to help you.

Well, you know, our eyes are on it with Iran and Israel, everything that is happening. But I am sure that you are going to be talking about all of this on your biweekly TV show that I will tune in, and I would tell everyone else to tune in, because it is so, so worth what you say, so important. Well, I already talked about War Against the Weak, but all of you around the world with a disability, buy this book, War Against the Weak. Oh my God, it is so powerful. Uh, but Edwin, would you explain to our listeners what the book is about and also why— what made you write it? Where can you buy it? Is there more information on the website about it? Um, let's start with what the book is about and what caused you to write it.

The book War Against the Weak, which is subtitled, uh, America's Crusade to Create a Master Race, really tore away the curtain that was shrouding a deep, dark, yet very public secret in the United States. And that is from the uh, all throughout the first decade of the 20th century, that there was an effort to create a white, blonde, blue-eyed master race in this country and literally, um, do away with, exterminate through various methods, uh, anyone who did not resemble themselves in terms of hair, hair color, eye color, uh, physical dexterity, uh, capabilities. And so all of these people were driven by a Nordic or Aryan ethic, and this became the official policy of the medical establishment the legal establishment, the states, the counties, the cities, and eventually the federal government. And it ultimately became a global effort to wipe out large groups of people, 10% at a time. So in other words, they would look at the racial, uh, makeup, the physical makeup, uh, the, um, uh, the, the ancestry of all sorts of groups. They would go door to door, they would pick up information on these people, they would cross-match that against, uh, other records, and then they would identify what they considered to be the bottom tenth. Now we're talking about the first three decades of the 20th century, uh, the bottom 10th. And it was their desire to eliminate the bottom 10th, uh, in one whole swoop. So, uh, at the time, at the beginning of the 20th century, that was about 14 million people. And the method they came up with— and remember, this is decades before Hitler— was gas chambers. In fact, the first, uh, legislation to authorize, um, uh, medically prescribed public gas chambers was in 1806 in Ohio, so right next door to Pittsburgh where you are. And, um, oh, when those efforts to, to, um, legislate in gas chambers failed because there were so many immigrants and so many people of so many ethnic groups in, in, in the United States who, um, would not vote for these policies, they ultimately went to forced surgical sterilization. And some 60,000 people, uh, perhaps as many as 70,000 people in 27 states were forcibly sterilized, uh, by the state, uh, for, um, presumed, uh, genetic inadequacies. And even if they weren't genetically inadequate, even if they were actually, um, uh, some sort of ideal, if they feared that there was, uh, a bad seed in their ancestry that would reproduce itself in future generations, then that person also became victim to the policy. And they intended to reduce the population 10% at a time, slice after slice, until 99% of America would be gone and there would be no one left except those who resembled themselves. And this was a policy of the wealthy, of the scientific, like Alexander Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, uh, the legislators, the medical establishment, uh, the, uh, judges that literally had to enforce, and, and the legal profession which had to enforce these, um, uh, these statutes and, and state laws. And, and ultimately, uh, it was applied not just to individuals but to entire families to kill off bloodlines. And that happened in Virginia, the famous, uh, Buck v. Bell case, where Um, um, Corey, uh, Buck was, um, uh, was raped, and, um, she was considered what they called at that time white trash. And they— and so they said, we're going to sterilize her, her mother, and her daughter to wipe out this bloodline. And they developed a collusive lawsuit where her lawyers and the state's lawyers got together to sue each other, appeal each other, and then it went up to the U.S. Supreme Court where America's preeminent journalist, uh, jurist, Oliver Wendell Holmes, ruled in the famous Buck v. Bell case, um, that all three generations could be sterilized saying in his famous words, it's better for all, all the world that three generations of imbeciles be, uh, be eliminated. And at that time, they believed that poverty was a genetic trait, prostitution was a genetic trait, Uh, thievery was a genetic trait, and so they thought that they were going to create a perfect society with their macabre, imperfect view of everyone else. And so this was the book I wrote. This is the book that changed the view of what the American medical establishment was doing. And the worst part of it is that in order to spread this across the world, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Carnegie Institution, which developed these concepts of the master race, exported it to Germany and supported the worst of the Nazi doctors who were also adopting this as a way to achieve a master race. In fact, um, uh, the Rockefeller Foundation was supporting a doctor whose special assistant was Josef Mengele, and Mengele went into Auschwitz to, uh, to conduct all these Frankenstein-style macabre ghoulish, uh, tests on twins to somehow discover the fast track to deleting the undesirables and to mass multiplication of the Germanic stock that they wanted. And all of this would have come to pass had not, uh, the Third Reich been defeated from the west by the Allied invasion of Normandy, and at the east by the Russian invasion coming across Eurasia.

Wow. I mean, and by the way, you're thinking, if you're listening, oh, thank goodness that is not the way it is now. Sorry. Because in the United States, almost 70% of women with prenatal testing that found out— find out the child has Down syndrome has an abortion. And in Iceland, it's almost 90%. It's funny, it's Denmark, it's a lot of, you know, the— when you were talking about the Nordic country. So what does that mean? That means I do not want a child that, you know, looks like this, which, which is heartbreaking. And, uh, well, it's just horrible. It's, it's, it's a powerful book. You should get the book. And by the way, that story I just told you has nothing to do with my views I am talking about a situation with Down syndrome. So, okay, well, you know, that story you told about Oliver Wendell Holmes, that is one of the ones I tell all the time, Edwin, and I got it from your book. I tell that story all the time. And another book of yours, oh my God, did I not have to go to a conference where IBM was the main sponsor after I read IBM and the Holocaust. And what really got to me is how you found this out when you saw that Hollerith machine. Can you tell that story?

Well, there was always the question, how did the Nazis get the names? How did they have such a blitzkrieg efficiency. And one day, uh, I went into the Holocaust Museum and I saw a punch card machine. Now, the punch card was the predecessor of the computer. It was the pre— it was the precursor of the computer. And a punch card— everybody knows what a punch card is, I believe— can store information in the holes that are punched into rows and columns. and those are then read. Well, the punch card was developed by IBM. It was actually stolen by IBM from the, um, uh, United States Census Bureau, and it developed into a people tracker. And, um, when Hitler came to power in 1933, he wanted to destroy, all the Jews and to conquer Europe and to get rid of everyone who was disabled, by the way. And IBM stepped forward and said, we are the information company, we invented information technology, we're the solutions company, and there's no solution, we will not organize for, for you. And so IBM organized Uh, all 6 phases of the Holocaust. The identification of the Jews, which they did through a massive census where they hired thousands of census workers and then organized those to identify who was Jewish and of what ancestry. Uh, the identification. The second, uh, phase was expulsion. They did all the data to compare the undesirables and target, uh, target, targeted individuals in the census and registration, with the, um, university rolls, with the, uh, with the Bar Association, the Medical Association, the health records. All these people were then expelled from their professions and from their social niches. The third was confiscation. Uh, all the banks were running on IBM punch cards. The fourth was ghettoization, where they, uh, organized a traffic management where all the Jews across town had to suddenly gather on a single day and squeeze 8 families into a, uh, a small apartment, generally in the bombed-out slums, uh, from World War I. And then the fifth phase, which was deportation, all the trains ran on IBM punch cards. And of course, the sixth phase, extermination, there was an IBM customer site in every concentration camp. And the name of that site was the Hollerith of Thailand. Hollerith was the brand name. Of the IBM punch cards and punch card systems. So I discovered this. I had to stand up against a giant who was made of lawyers and PR guys. And the book became a bestseller. And there's over a million copies in print and many editions. In fact, I have 215 editions of all my books selling in 190 countries. So if we have listeners across the various ponds and oceans, they can find my book at any of the usual places like Amazon, Kobo, Apple, Google, Walmart, etc.

Oh, and you got to get this book, IBM and the Holocaust. As I said, all of his books But after I read it, as I said, oh, I was so mad. And there I am at a conference, and they're the lead sponsor, and I wanted to raise my hand and say, hey, I read IBM and the Holocaust. Now, of course, you know, IBM is a, you know, great company. And, you know, today, and there, and there are other U.S. companies. That's the worst part. This isn't the only one that was involved Uh, you know, in all of this horrible—

this entire genocidal— this entire genocidal program of IBM, uh, was micromanaged by Thomas J. Watson. And now they are naming medical systems and disability assistance systems after their sociopathic war criminal Thomas J. Watson, who was actually a convicted extortionist before he ever came to IBM. So he had a criminal mind.

Oh, well, you know what? That's terrible. That's horrible. That is— well, you heard it, everyone. We're talking about IBM, but the truth is the truth. The facts are the facts. And with that, time for the news. And, uh, on the half hour. And do we have our newscaster on the line, Gerald?

I'm here, Joyce Bender.

How are you?

I am great, thank you.

Hope you are well.

And Edwin, thank you for all the work you are doing in the community, exposing the truth of the work you do with your books. I remember being an intern here at Bender and learning about War of the Week just when I started here at the company, and I'm holding a copy of Nazi Nexus in my hands right now. So the work you're doing is so important, and I haven't gotten to read the new book yet, but I am excited to. So thank you for keeping on with this work, and yeah, appreciate it.

So, Gerald, what do we have going on in the news today?

Well, for our advocacy matters segment, we have to talk about an important piece of legislation that is happening for the autism community right now, and that is that the funding that is set up by the Autism Cares Act right now is set to expire at the end of next month on September 30th. If this funding expires, this measure that originates all the way back in 2006 will end and the funding will cease for research, prevalence tracking, screening, professional training for the autism community. So far, the Autism Cares Act of 2024 has already been approved by committees in the Senate and the House of Representatives, and it— but it hasn't progressed any further than that from the chamber, even though it has support from both parts of the aisle. So, we need this piece of legislation to move forward so that we can make sure that this is reauthorized before the September 30th deadline so that the autism community can still have access to this important funding for all of these efforts across the United States. So make sure that you're calling your state representatives and you let them know that this act needs their support, that this bill needs their support to ensure reauthorization for the Autism Cares Act before the September 30th deadline.

And that is our news for today, Joyce.

Oh, thank you, Gerald. And let me say to everyone You know, don't sit back, do something. Pick up that phone, call your representative, your congressman, your senator. You've got to speak up. When you get a chance to take the podium, speak up, or we can't have change happen. And Gerald, thank you for the news.

Thank you.

Lead on, Joyce Bender.

Lead on.

And I should also mention that I care very deeply about the autism community, and I've worked very closely with the major national autism groups. I know this is an important measure, and I can tell you right now, unfortunately, it's become politicized, and the present administration is choosing not to bring it to a vote. It can literally be brought to a vote with a signature by Chuck Schumer and a signal from the White House. And I've been trying to get this done, and many others have, and that's not been the case. So if it does expire, I'm of the, I'm of the opinion, based on what I know, that in the event of a change in administration following the November election, there will be— with the new administration, there will be vibrant attempts to immediately push this thing through Congress, get it authorized, and get the help done where the help is needed, because as I understand, the alternative administration is keen serving and working with the autism community in full development, full employment, full service, and full research.

Wow, I'm really glad that you are so involved and aware of this. Not surprised, I'm not surprised. That's why I say to you, you know, when I tell you all to go by his books. I want to tell you why. When you have a person that speaks out for us, you better support them. I don't care if it's a retail outlet, I don't care if it's a healthcare concern, I don't care if it's a musician, or in this case, an author and speaker and radio— uh, TV host. You've got to support him. Go out, Edwin Block, go to Amazon, go to his website, and you can find these great books that we have been talking about. So, Edwin, are you working on a book right now? But I think also, don't you have a novel?

I did have a novel, a wonderful novel that I wrote in the last century. And it's called Format: C:. All of my 12 books can be found at edwinblack.com, and there's a book page, and anyone can find themselves a copy. I think that there's another element that I'm looking at right now for the disability community, and that is that the so-called Green— New Green Deal, or the Green New Deal, is in this urge toward this mass plunge toward electric mobility is going to have a deep impact on the disabled and their mobility. And I've even found where some of the states where this will be the most prevalent, and that would be, um, Pennsylvania would, would be one of them. And, um, I've even looked, uh, I've looked at the job status in such counties as Allegheny County, and I see them, uh, being affected. So I'll explain what's going on. Everybody knows that, uh, there is, uh, a push on to get away from the internal combustion machine and utilize, uh, and switch to, uh, electric vehicles. Well, I myself have been a champion of getting off of oil. I wrote the book Internal Combustion, uh, and I also wrote a book called The Plan. And I've been interested in petropolitics my entire adult career. I wrote British Petroleum and the Red Line Agreement to explain how petroleum and war and occupation are dominant intersections in our history, and indeed, as we see, in our future. I'm a huge proponent of electrical vehicles. However, electric vehicles cannot be implemented immediately, yet that is the desire. And here's why. One, every vehicle— and there are hundreds of millions of vehicles in the United States and overseas— every vehicle has what is known as a scrappage rate. In other words, people will keep a car for 10 to 13 years. Okay, 10 to 13 years. That means that every car you buy today, tomorrow, next year, and in 5 years, every one of those cars is going to be held for over a decade. So that's going to put us way into the 2040s. Okay, so, uh, the electrical vehicle is very expensive. All the companies that try to make one outside of Tesla basically go bankrupt, even those backed by Saudi princes and, uh, and, uh, Jeff Bezos. They, they, they, uh, they go bang— they go bankrupt. And it's going to create massive unemployment which is going to impact the disabled. And in addition to that, the special mobility vehicles that have arisen over the past 10, 15, 20 years, those will be gone. And I say they'll, they'll, they'll be gone because the people who want to bring in the electrical cars, don't want, uh, will not allow internal combustion machines to, uh, operate, uh, within various counties, cities, and states. Some of them say 2030, some say 2035, and some even believe it will be sooner than that. But the electric car industry is going to collapse. Now it's a great industry for those who want electrical cars and who can afford $50,000, $60,000, $70,000, $80,000, $90,000 for a Tesla. Even the Tesla market is now leveling off. Tesla is the number one car in the world, but it's leveling off because everybody who wants a Tesla has bought a Tesla, and maybe they'll, uh, upgrade to another one when, uh, their time comes, 5, 10, 15 years from today. But the electrical market has got to come in at a certain pace, at an intelligent pace. And the, uh, petroleum car has got to be phased out intelligently. It can't be banned. It's got to be replaced. And there are lots of ways to replace it, and that is to make a better automobile. It isn't just electrical cars. You can have an automobile on water. I, I myself drove a hydrogen car and filled up at a standard Shell station. It was just a normal Chevy Equinox, which was a factory model, but it was made to take, uh, hydrogen. And so I pulled into a Shell, water came down from the top, got zapped into electrolysis, and it ran the wheels. There was no motor, no engine, and it ran off. Well, uh, when you build these vehicles— when you build these vehicles, um, they don't need any spare— they don't need any spare parts. And it means the automotive industry in Pennsylvania and states like Pennsylvania are going to collapse. And the unions know this. The union leadership doesn't, but the men and women in the rank and file know this. And so they're— we're staring at, if the Green New Deal continues as it's said to continue, we're staring at a potential implosion in the mobility world at the end of this decade because, uh, all of the efforts to integrate electrical cars— Ford, General Motors, Hertz— they've all failed. The buses are not working. And when the electric vehicles fail to, uh, expand and serve the society and internal combustion machines and oil are not available because they've been stopped by regulation and by legislation and by federal policy, there's going to be a vacuum. And as I've always said, the first to get sucked in when there's a vacuum is the disability community. They are the first to suffer. And they will suffer in the loss of jobs, the loss of mobility, and the loss of, uh, services. And so I worry about this, and, um, I, uh, have, uh, done the research to show that out of the 5 counties in, uh, Pennsylvania that will be the most adversely affected for the disability community, one of them is where you're sitting, Allegheny County. And that is one of the reasons I wanted to come out there, was to also address that factor. And so we have to wait and see what road the United States government goes, goes down. Uh, will it go down a road where only electric vehicles are, um, possible, or will it go down a road with a multiplicity of vehicles possible, including internal combustion? Now, what's interesting here is that Pennsylvania is one of the most important energy states in the USA. Of course, it is the place where commercial oil was first established. And in the, uh, 1880s and early 20th century, the, um, the, uh, the state of Pennsylvania was all almost like OPEC to the world. And so before oil was found in the Middle East, everybody turned to Pennsylvania for, uh, for oil. Well, Pennsylvania It has a lot of— not only oil, it's got natural gas, and it also has the ability to sustain fracking. Now, obviously, some of the candidates are against fracking, some are in favor. Fracking is a controversial form of developing oil. It fractures Uh, certain layers of the geology and brings out the oil. What they have discovered just now is that the effluent, the wastewater of the fracking operation, contains massive amounts of lithium. And that means that if fracking were to continue in Pennsylvania then the wastewater could be, uh, harnessed and develop both vibrant use of petroleum and until it's phased out, which will probably be never, uh, because tanks don't go on electric, uh, they go on, uh, petroleum, uh, and simultaneously the electric vehicle. Unfortunately There's too much doctrinaire, uh, uh, uh, leadership in this realm in Washington, and consequently the current administration, and, uh, if it has its way, will not allow fracking to happen, will not allow Pennsylvania to become a very special Keystone State that can operate between the worlds of internal combustion, of oil production, and also lithium production for the electric battery. If that happens, then I think there's going to be a very, very negative impact on jobs for everyone, economic flourishing for every— for everyone. And as usual, when the economy catches a cold, the disability community gets pneumonia. So that's some of the research that I've been working on.

Well, thank God that you are. Thank God that you are. So, Edwin, when you were saying about the implosion, well, disaster, that could occur to the economy with the electric car. What is the main thing you're talking about?

Well, um, if the electric vehicle fails to proliferate or replace because it can't be produced, people don't want to drive it because it has a limited range, because it's not being produced, and because there are no charging stations In fact, there was a mega-million-dollar operation to do, uh, thousands of charging stations, and they only built 8 across the United States. So there's a lot of talk and a lot of waste. So if everybody switches to EVs and they leave behind an outlaw and ban and stunt the internal combustion machine, then when the EVs collapse— and they're collapsing right this minute, right this minute— uh, the company, the, uh, the Detroit companies can't afford to pretend to make them. Each one has got a massive subsidy which, uh, comes out of taxpayer, uh, pockets. But we just don't have the charging stations. If, uh, if that collapses as it's— or implodes as it's going to implode, and the, uh, internal combustion machine and oil and fracking and everything that supports it is expelled from our economy prematurely, prematurely then, uh, you're, uh, you're going to see an implosion in society, mobility, uh, individual liberties, the ability to go from place to place, uh, service vehicles for the disability community. It took years to, um, uh, to develop, uh, service vehicles for the disability community with special ramps, with special knee uh, kneeling vessels, um, um, um, vehicles. Um, and, uh, right now the electric community is only concerned with making, uh, fancy schmancy, um, looking cars. They're $90,000 at a clip. You can get cheap ones, but, uh, there's nowhere to refuel them. The average vehicle only needs, uh, 25, um, uh, 25 to 35 mileage a day, but you must be able to refuel them. Our grid is very shaky. A squirrel can take down the grid. Right now we're looking at, uh, 4 countries that are interested in exploding an EMP over the United States. So an EMP 200 miles above Allegheny County would basically short-circuit all the electric vehicles. And, uh, um, that's why we need to be prudent and intelligent with our getting off of oil. I'd love to get off of oil because oil is still in many ways captive, uh, to, uh, uh, the terrorists and, uh, anti-American nations of, of the Middle East, even though there's a lot of it in Canada, even though there's a lot in the United States, even though it's in the North Sea, there is still established routes, and those are in the Middle East. And so they're petrodollars. But the fact of the matter is, this must be done prudently. And if it can't be done prudently, then we're going— bad policy is going to create an implosion in local economies. Now, I know they'd like to say, well, uh, if we, uh, stop having, um, uh, if we, um, these guys who are working in the auto industry and all of the associated industries will find another job making solar panels and things of that nature. Solar panels are being made in China. They're not being made in Allegheny County. The batteries are being made in China. They're not being made in Pittsburgh. The rare earth elements that are needed are largely harnessed by the Chinese. They're not fracked from below the ground of, of Pennsylvania.

Isn't that the truth? Whoa, that's bad, that's bad. Well, hey Edwin, well, we've come to the end of the show. It goes so fast here.

Here's where political will, as you were speaking of, stand up and do and do something, step up and do something, speak up and do something. And, uh, and exercise your own destiny in November, and you'll see that it has quite an impact. And that's why people need to study the issues and be very wary of media sources, which are basically— many of them are now captive to political parties, and they just wish to gloss over the history and reality —try to promote a candidate.

Well, that's why I say get out and vote. But you know what? We end every show with a quote. And Edwin, I couldn't wait for this quote. So here we go. Again, I ask, how did this happen in a progressive society? I realize it comes down to just one word. More than self-validation and self-certification of the elite, more than just power and influence. Joining forces with prejudice. It was the corruptor of us all. It was arrogance. This is Joyce Bender, America's Voice, where disability matters, at voiceamerica.com. Buy Edwin Black's book, share this show, and in the words of Mary Brooker, remember when you go out today, Choose joy. Talk to everyone next week.

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