How Peptides & Bioregulators Are Revolutionizing the Medical Industry | Dr. Kent Holtorf

Peptides are protein, which are chains of amino acids. Arbitrarily, if it's less than 40 or 50, the majority of peptides that we utilize are shorter than that, but they're generally attached to the cell surface, which then have secondary messenger and have pleiotrophic effects. They have multiple effects. They kind of have like a supplement effect rather than a med, tend to have a very narrow, which actually you think would be less safer, but actually makes it more dangerous and risk for side effects. But like supplements, kind of like food, they have multiple effects. They're more specific, but also much more potent.

Hello, welcome back to that Dr. Joy Kong podcast. So today I have the one and only Dr. Kent Holzorf. So, Dr. Kent, I am so happy you're here. I can tell you I've known you for years and you are quite, quite an impressive individual. So thank you for being here.

Thank you for making the exception to brilliance for this time. I appreciate it. Yeah, we go way back. It's interesting. Yeah, I love it. Thank you for having me.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we met about seven years ago and the time that you were just, you know, talking about all these peptides and very few people were talking about peptides and it was so impressive. It's like, wow, this whole world. So you've delved into different cutting edge stuff long before a lot of people, and you've been well regarded as a pioneer and educator and leader in quite a wide array of areas of medicine. So I want to give the audience kind of a brief understanding of just how much, how accomplished you are. So you are an innovator and also a leader and educator and entrepreneur. So apparently you've led 23 different centers and 12 franchises and you are the owner, founder of integrated Peptides. But you have done so much in advancing different areas of medicine and you have also gone through your own health journey, which probably helped you to be as driven as you are in seeking innovative therapies to really help people to suffer less. So, so happy to have you on the show.

But yeah, it's all really for selfish reasons because I could not function. I was, you know, so sick, I couldn't practice medicine. Talking to a patient was just so exhausting. I had Lyme, Babesia, Bartonella was very evidence based. I'm still very evidence based. But go to the university doctors that you look up to and they go up, you must be depressed. I'm like, no. And they couldn't help me. But you know, in medical school, like a lot of places, it was drilled into us that anything alternative, integrative, you know, basically was quackery, was no evidence. And so I believed that. So I wasn't going to go to these alternate conferences. But then I went into heart failure and my heart, because actually with the babesia and the bartonella and high human choice of growth factor beta, which caused fibrosis of my heart, so my heart would not fill. And it was just fibrosis and it was there. I couldn't. I couldn't stand up straight. I couldn't walk upstairs just sweating like going one mile an hour, you know, to nowhere. And so I was going to. I'm not going to live like this.

Was it in medical school that you had this, or was it after you became a full fledged. I know you were an anesthesiologist.

Well, that's why I went into anesthesia, because talking to a patient was so exhausting. I said, okay, maybe I can do anesthesia. They're asleep. You don't speak to them. But I forgot. How do you help? You get up really early. But I just. The fact where I'm just like, I could not function, like, you know, having Lyme is the worst thing ever, but heart failure on top of it is just horrible. So I was gonna off myself on Halloween and I said, well, I'll go around the world and look for treatments that, you know, to help to cure myself. But if I don't, my, you know, good light. And so kind of went around the world some great treatments. Like I went down to Puerto Vallarta and the Lyme was lime Mexico. And Omar Morales. Awesome. I brought down Lyme antigens and we basically cultured my white cells and stimulated them to the Lyme antigen. So we had this, you know, the whole thing going. It worked really well. We tried to freeze it and use it multiple times. We screwed that up, but it was good. So a lot of treatments that worked, but they didn't last. And I was in. Then I went through Europe and Belgium and I did some peptides. I didn't really think any of it. And I'm like, okay, I'll just do it. And then about three or four days later, I walked up the stairs. I'm like, wait a minute, what the heck is going on now? It couldn't be a peptide. No, it couldn't be. And I went back and did them again. I'm like, oh my God, I feel even better. So. And kind of extended my stage from just like, you know, doing all the peptides. I'm like, oh my God, this Is amazing. Took about a year to get them into the US and that's how I met Ryan at Kayla. Made and said, hey, let me speak for you. Get these peptides and, and so kind of helped them. I mean I'm not going to take any credit but they're, they're amazing and just kind of set the journey and it's really helped. I kind of in the back of my mind felt that hey, this illness will be a good thing at some point. Go. You're in it with Lyme disease and Babesia, bartonella. It is horrible. And then heart failure on top of it. And you know, so the cardiologist said maybe in 10 years you can get 10% better with just extensive cardiac rehab. Right. And then so after about less than a year, I went back into his office standing up and he goes, oh, that's interesting. You get on table data and they do it echoes. It's pretty normal. And he was okay, see you in a year. He didn't ask me what I did. I didn't do anything.

He was not curious why you were doing.

You know, you see that with, with these standard docs. Wow. But yeah, it's just like. And you know, and I found when you, you, I'm sure you see this too. And if you patients, you know, multi system illness and they've seen 20 doctors and they go and you send them back to their doctor better, you think the doctor's gonna be happy. No, they're not. It's a strange thing but you know, you know, standard medicine, they're in a very bad system that they can't give good care. It's like impossible and it's getting worse. So we'll see if anything changes here in the near future.

Yeah. It's fascinating because both of you, you and I were educated in that system and we were really not equipped in getting people well to heal. On the fundamental level, we know how to keep them hanging. There are very few chronic conditions that we actually have the tools to get them well. Acute issues. I think we're able to make some.

Some good eyes there. You get a broken leg. It's a good place. If you have anything out of the box, multi system, forget it. Yeah. It's just. Yeah. If a doctor doesn't know what it is or how to treat it simply it doesn't exist. It's a patient's fault. And we're getting sicker and sicker. We're the sickest country in the world and we spend the most.

Yeah. So you, you know, you're the rebel. You're the. But you're leading the rebel camp, which I believe is the mainstream some 10, 15 years down the road. That's just going to be.

Oh, I have to send you one of our proud T shirts.

Yeah. So how did you turn your life around? Because obviously you're vibrant, you're lecturing everywhere and you have your own center, beautiful place in El Segundo. How did you turn your life around? What, what did you do originally?

Yes. So when I was just feeling horrible again. No, no exposure to anything integrative, alternative, precision, functional, whatever, and, and I kind of snuck off and I'm like. Because I'm told it's not evidence based. So I'm listening to these lectures and I'm like, this is more evidence based than what they're teaching me. And this is crazy. And so I really kind of latched on to thyroid and really got into it. I think it was rosier at that time. And then so I quit anesthesia and just took over, went to family practice, took over a family practice and opened up the thyroid optimization center. And we had. It was an insurance practice and converted to cash with less than a year because we had. I didn't marry on market, we didn't market people waiting in line outside the doors because we're just getting so many people better with T3 and you know, not going by the TSH and, and I'm telling you, if any, you know, physicians out there or patients that are sick like almost always the thyroid is low and, and treating weight with T3 is just miraculous. You combine. If you learn thyroid and peptides, you will have to throw stem cells in there, maybe a little ozone. You will have patients from everywhere. You'll be getting patients better that I've seen the most amazing doctors and you know, 15 doctors because they're missing those things and you know, like with, and we served the nonprofit National Academy of Hypothyroidism just to really show that the way we're practicing, diagnosing and treating thyroid in this country is wrong. It's not evidence based. And so like 80% of people go undiagnosed and all they need is a little T3. And it's just, it, it's amazing. I can go on and on all the studies on that. It's not a lot of lectures on that. So I won't, I can tend to just go off on that. But I want to cover some other stuff today.

Well, some people say that thyroid is possibly over treated that well for, for anti Aging arena like everybody has, you know, not. No, perfect. Very few people have perfect T3s. Right. So if you try to optimize T3 and then that suppresses TSH to a great degree. Is that too much?

Yeah. No. TSH is the most worthless diagnostic parameter. And you can overdose the people that get too much. They're on T4 and it's making all this reverse T3. And for instance, we can talk about the thyroid bioregular, which is very interesting, or thyroid axis bioregulator. And because what happens when people are chronically ill with inflammation, stress, age, inflammation, autoimmunity, whatever it may be, they get pineal, hypothalamic, pituitary, thyroid dysfunction. So they have a central hypothyroidism. Right. And so we always think that, well, it's really easy that when the thyroid levels drop, the pituitary response increases. Tsh. No, it does not. It's. It, it's damaged too, even more than the thyroid. So they have. This is the pattern of a low thyroid chronically ill, chronically inflamed person is a low normal TSH, a high normal T4 and I'll tell you why. And then a low normal free T3 and a high normal reverse G3. But if most doctors will look at that, they go, oh, you got low normal TSH and a high normal T4. Oh, you're a little hyperthyroid. It's the opposite. And because the thyroid doesn't get especially T4 does not get into the cell because of its active transport. All the integralists think it just diffuses in T3 is less energy dependent than T4. And also the DIY is what convert T4 to T3 in the body with any inflammation, age, stress, it goes down. That diagnose type 1 is, is downregulated. So you get less T4, T3 in the pituitary, it goes up, it's stimulated, so you get more conversion. So TSH goes down as the rest of the body starving for thyroid. And that's you look at depressed patients. For his largest study ever done on antidepressants, the Star report showed that giving T3 was a better antidepressant than every other antidepressant. Less side effects. It worked when the other ones didn't. Another study like bipolar patient 135 treatment resistant bipolar patients, they tried on average 14 different medications, no response. They gave multi three regardless of their thyroid levels. 80% responded and 30% total resolution of symptom.

Hmm. Okay. So you will feel pretty comfortable just Looking at people's free T3 level, then as far as target.

Now what we will do is we'll check everyone's basal metabolic rate, which is the gold standard. Also, the British Medical Journal showed that a knowledgeable doctor looking at someone's ankle reflex was a better test than blood test. They correlated with symptoms better. They diagnosed people that actually benefited from the treatment. So how could that be? So a normal reflex goes, but the lower, the lower the tissue level of thyroid, the slower the vaccination. So we have a computer that measures that. Combine that with the basal metabolic rate, you have your diagnosis. And if people diet more than three sessions, they actually, they'll drop their metabolism, their thyroid levels drop, and it doesn't go back to normal even when you go back to normal eating. So people say, I wrecked my metabolism. They have. But their, their thyroid function tests look normal. So so many people need T3, and it's shown to reduce, reduce cardiovascular disease and risk factors. And, and it's, it's just, it's one of those other conspiracies that it's just nuts that people aren't doing them.

What's the level that you would target your patients at for a free T3?

Well, I mean, that's just kind of like one parameter. So it's. You got it. Like, we, we do all the tests and symptoms matter a lot to check their, their body temperature and, and so there's no set number. And you can look at also the free T3. Reverse the ratio, the T4. T3. People, you know, love all the mathematics stuff. And we have actually a test, if you go on naturally hypothyroidism, an algorithm that goes through it. But, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's. There is, you know, evidence. You need it. But it's also common sense and the art of medicine where, like, people, like, we've had some doctors that you like, they're just like, well, you said that the tsh, it doesn't matter, like, just keep getting more. No, no, no. What are you talking about? You know, the person they're racing hard, they just keep giving them more. Like, stop it. You know, so it's like being a doctor, it's like, well, like, well, how do I know what to do? You're a doctor. Okay, so. Or even you get like family practice docs. Like, the TSH is like 8 and like, I don't know what to do. Like, oh, my God. You know, But I don't know. It's scary. I don't mean to, but it's, we're, we're just like kicking out of our own way, you know.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I know thyroid is a big subject, but definitely I want to move on to what you're really passionate about, peptides. But before we get there, I want to ask you just one question about iodine because there's some controversy out there. Some people think it's really crucial that you replenish it. But someone like Dr. Christensen, Dr. Ramstein.

Yeah, I, I love it, man. Yeah.

And he said that the, the modern thyroid, the, the, like a pandemic almost, you know, everywhere in the world is because of over supplementation of iodine. What's your opinion on this?

Oh, he says over supplement. Okay, that's okay. I'm in the middle. Well, I'm usually never in the middle, but I'm kind of like the moderate in this one because they both are, the, neither of them are lying. You know, they're both telling the truth that you can give iodine, especially in a Hashimoto's patient. And we'll check everyone's urine iodine the first visit. But we don't treat it even if it's super low because if they have Hashimoto's that you give it, they can just totally flare. But if you go very, very slow, the iodine will actually reverse the Hashimoto's or some, some degree. We do a lot of other things and we'll talk about the thyroid bioregulators. So it does work, but it's just, it matters, the time frame. So if you're just slamming people with thyroid or patients will go out and get all the seaweed, you go, I'm up with my thyroid. And they flare. Oh, see, I told you. But so they both can point at each other, say cc. So they're both right. It's just, you got to, you know, just basically. Okay, well in this situation and just when you go slow, it kind of solves the whole problem. So really they're both correct.

Okay, great.

That's the first time we'll ever be politically correct. I'll never do it again, offending no one.

Okay, so let's come and talk about peptides. So you have, you know, you're dealing with a lot of chronic illnesses, so you must have found Peptide like a kind of a quite a gift, a game changer.

And every doctor that we train on, it just, it makes everything getting the sickest patient, even healthy patients from A to B, let's say like wine patients that are doing Two years of antibiotics. You don't eat antibiotics or you do three months and we can't really see practicing medicine without it. But of course the powers to be would love for you to be without it. But. And it's. It's a game changer. I mean changed my life change our practice changed so many doctors practice.

So of course now is gaining so much popularity. I remembered first time I met you, you were talking a lot about thymus, like all these thymus peptides. So which. Which are your favorites?

Interesting. Yeah. I mean if you look at the studies on bioregulators and they probably asked the people name, I'm sure they probably said thymus and the pineal and vascular. The vessel probably are the three. And those have the most basic literature on it. But we've also discovered some new ones including the thyroid axis bioregulators, the stem cell bioregulators, a number of them. And mitochondria bioregulators. What isn't out yet. But we're excited about that, so we'll see. But even like for instance the kidney bioregulator is that, you know, I have leftover chronic kidney disease from chronic Lyme, Babesia and that. So I'll have. It's right, ttmi, but like foamy urine because I'm dumping protein. Right. If I take a kidney bioregulator about six to 12 hours later, no more foam that lasts for two to five days. We have people on dialysis that are off dialysis from it. One of our employees, her mom was on dialysis, like totally give her this and I just forgot about it. And then she gave it to her mom and she kind of forgot about. And all of a sudden, you know, the doctors, God, the doctor's freaking out. I don't need. Hell, it's this, you know, and, and it's re. Reversing all these people and then that's just that organ. We have it for brain and liver, you know, so the reversing liver cirrhosis, it's just amazing stuff.

So for people who are not familiar with bioregulators, how would you define that?

Yeah. So you know, peptides are like the protein which are chains of amino acids arbitrarily. If it's less than 40 or 50, depending on what group you talk to, it's a, it's a peptide. But you look at the, the majority of peptides that we utilize are or shorter than that, but they're generally attached to the cell surface which then have secondary messenger and have a pleiotrophic effects they have multiple effects. They kind of have like a supplement effect rather than a med tend to have a very narrow. Which actually you think would be safer but actually makes it more dangerous risk for side effects. But like supplements kind of like food, they have multiple effects. The peptides are just, they're, they're more specific but, but also much more potent. Now bioregulators are a peptide but a subset. They're by definition need to be two to four amino acids long because they are totally bioavailable as long as they're capped. So the body when. Because the big thing is we, the peptides haven't caught on for a big reason. Everybody goes oh that's going to break down in the gut, right? And but if the body needs a peptide or even a protein it will cap it. It will see the late it and amidate the ends. Now the enzymes do not attach to it and break it down. It also makes it much more bioavailable. And so if you cap those which were all the peptides we use are all capped and then there's like stable BPC which is. They had the patent on a sea lady cap bpc it ran out so they came out with a BPC salt and called it stable BPC which is brilliant. But it really should be unstable bpc the arginine bpc. It's nuts. But and so they'll go and they work differently. They work, they're very bioavailable. Go into the, through the gut, you know, in the blood serum. Then go into the cell and into the cell nucleus and they'll attach to activators inhibitors and, and they'll modulate the basic transcription. So they were epigenetically and that turned genes on, turn genes off and maestayazi you they very much tend to turn on the healthy genes, the anti inflammatory genes, the younger genes and turn off the aging genes and you know, and that and so very protective, exceedingly safe. Most of them take a thousand hundred, a thousand, ten thousand times a dose and it's nothing. Try that with water, you're dead. They also work at nano and picograms which were you know a basically 0.0 with nine ones and a one less than a milligram and they're effective. So talk about a therapeutic range is crazy. So and people are always like oh my God, how do I do this? There's so many. I mean you can't screw up really. I mean I'll say that with a couple caveats but it's so rare to have a significant side effect. With that said, you know, Lyme patients, serious patients, like even a supplement like glutathione or something. I would tell them look at it for a week, smell it for a week, you know, lick it and then take you know, 1/100th of it and they still react. So they'll. They'll can react to some of the generally peptides and like peptides I think people react mostly to are probably just treated dogs or growth hormone. But even though they'll react to like ktd.

What kind of reactions?

Oh like you know, just don't tolerate it. A kind of a herb Zheimer reaction.

I see.

Yeah. And like kpv, which is anti inflammatory but it boosts the immune system antimicrobial. I mean they'll even react to that which, which is pretty amazing. BPC157, probably the most, you know, common one that people use. And but some people do get a little anxiety with it, you know and it could be activating so you know, you go slow. But in general normal people we are, we are not, you know, can occasional people can react but people might be, you know, when people. A patient says I'm sensitive. You need to listen to that. You know, it's like oh no problem, here you go. And then they have huge reaction. So.

So when you give people let's say heart bioregulator or kidney bioregular. I I assume you're giving a group of. Of peptides, right? Group of bioregulators. How many bioreg in the kidney bioregulator product? How many bioregulator. Different kinds of bioregulators are there?

Yeah. So there no one knows that officially what the kidney bioregulator, the active ingredient is. I'm sure Cabeson knew or they know but they not tell anyone. But we. We found. We have found four now four kidney bioregulators that. That work. So. And it is also. So there's extracts that you know. So let me give you a little history of the bioregulators. When you're listen to pop try to be quick but it's very interesting. So when it was during the Soviet Union the they found that their high speed test pilots or submariners and their. Who else was okay Cosmonauts were aging super fast, right. And they're like we got to do something here. And so they went to the KGB hospital and it worked. There was Pavlov. As in Pavlov's dog, right. And he was actually into peptides and things and Also cavesin. So they worked again. They said, you shall fix this. Right? Okay, we will. Either they got super lucky or super smart or they were doing, you know, some studies of this area, but they found that taking the thymus basically in the breastbone, which modulates the immune system. And that's what happens as you get older. You have TH one here, you get stuff inside the cell teaches. It's very oversimplification. But teacher gets up outside the cell as you get older, as you get sick, as you get inflamed, you get stressed. It goes like this. So you can't fight intercellular infections with a TH1. We have all this TH2 inflammation and that causes then this vicious cycle of ideal hyperlipary dysfunction, immunogenation, coagulation, mitochondrial dysfunction. Now you can't, you know, just so those route around. So do you snap that back? And that's the thymus. That's what giving thymus. Basically now you just anti age the whole system. Even the CDC says that age individuals have at least one chronic illness due to involution of the thymus. And they're trying to do these things like, you know, revive the thymus and all this stuff just give thymic peptide. It's cheap, it's easy, it's safe. And you just, you basically anti age them and fix their immune system. Now they can fight cancers. It will eliminate in this immune modulation that cause that happens. The abnormal is the cause of these diseases of aging. And like we can just stop all that stuff. And it's just amazing that they don't do it. So. But, and so they found that it was very effective. And. But it was a Soviet secret, right. They gave it to the military and the Olympic team. LUCA team did pretty well at that time. And then with all the Soviet Union they started publishing. But it was in Russian. It wasn't to pay attention. Right. But thousands of studies of this stuff. Thousands and thousands of. And I'm trying to find a little Russian, but I'm horrible. I should understand this first. And then it started. Yeah, people started noticing like, hey, what's going on here? So then started getting more and more. And then Cavison took the lead and kind of, you know, brought it to the US and it's just. I mean, I thank God I would not be here. I would have. I'd be dead without these things.

So were they taking different organs and getting extracts and, and analyzing?

So yeah, so they focused on the extracts and so but it's. It's expensive. It's. You Got like, you know, basically one at a time. So it's like they're, they have 21 or 24 depend, you know, and, but you got to take 24 pills. But if you can isolate the active. Now instead of taking 20 milligrams, you take 100 micrograms. Okay. So you know, basically 2,000 fold less. So with that and very, very little side effects and you know, people get so tired of taking so many pills. But so we're combining them, for instance, with the cognipap. We have, you know, four or five, you know, different parts for the, for the brain, pineal, pap, the same thing. So we're putting anywhere from four to nine of these things together. And we're able to do it at a much more economical price because we're not having to pull the extracts out of all these things.

Okay. Yeah. So the bioregulator products that people are using these days are actually synthetic, using the natural.

And the problem was they're all in Russian, right. And you say, what the heck is that? You know, you try to, you someone tells you what it is, you got to check all the time. And then Nature's Marvel, which I love about the company, basically put it in English. So, you know, there's, there's heart, there's vessel, there's brain, there's ovary, there's liver, there's muscle. So these people know. But you got all these pills that you're just taking, you know, and they try to make it so they, your rotates, you're not overwhelmed. But you know, it's. I don't know if it's really a metal, it's really a financial thing. So really it is so much better. The effect is so much better and cheaper and cost effective. Combining all these ones and like, okay, you had a brain issue. Oh, here's the five or six that need to be given for the brain for fertility. Here's the fertility formula or anti aging formula which includes a bunch of stuff and stem cell bioregulators, you know.

Okay, so I assume initially when you started doing peptides, you were doing subcutaneous injections.

We're actually doing iv. We started with iv. Yeah, we're getting out of Germany and we call them cellular peptide. People just loved them. Yeah. And then also we couldn't get them, but they were great. And we, I was at a speaking at a conference in Thailand. I ran into them again. I'm like, we need your stuff. And they're like, we're scared. You know, I'm scared. Let's do so. But interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. Why were they scared?

Oh this just dealing with the US that they're gonna. The US Will come down. I'm like, you know, the worst thing you do is. Is heal patients and, and like they, you know, with importation they'll just. They won't let it in. They'll lose their. The company. They're stuck.

I see. Yeah. And then somehow you transitioned to producing a lot of peptides or supplying peptides in the A PO Format. So taken by mouth, how did you make that switch?

Well, yeah, I mean, always interested in how to do it. I mean I got tired of doing 50 shots a day, you know, and you do get fatigued and so essentially hired a army of FDA attorneys. It was pretty much the answer. And it is hard to find a good attorney than it is a doctor. It's hard to find a good doctor. So. Yeah, it's funny. It's like people, you know, specialists don't know medicine, attorneys don't know all. So it's just interesting.

I've seen that. Yeah. So you, you felt that a lot of these peptides could be given by mouth?

No, I know they give you by mouth and. But there's people giving stuff by mouth and sublingual with no basis. You know, if something is four amino acids or less, it has a. Okay chance. But there's a lot of variables and you get. There's a lot of algorithms you can do there. It. You can test them. And we just purchased a very sophisticated lab with the university at Ensenada where we're going to be able to do all these tests like this directly instead of like trying to, you know, guess what they. A good degree of likelihood. But I'm telling you, no one even. It's where that other question the disparity but test even the purity but let alone bioavailability. But they're putting like sublingual a, you know, 34amino acid peptide. It. There's no way it's going to absorb. And they'll say liposomal. They take some lecithin and shake it up and go oh, here's liposomal. Anything will absorb. That's ridiculous. It's. It. It's quite. We could do it. I'd do it. But it's not. It doesn't work. And we test the heck out of everything. And again we just invested see if amount of money that we're going to be able to do some more sophisticated tests in the western hemisphere on bioavailability and doing clinical trials and Things like that. So we got a number of places that were doing satellite clinical trials as well. We've been doing a lot of things with veterans and found some unique things about veterans that I had no idea about that why they're all sick. And it's incredible stuff.

Yeah. So are you only focusing on particular kinds of peptides, using those in a, in a PO format or do you.

Oh, no, no, no. Yeah, I think you had the confused. But no, we use everything. And it's not just peptides too. I mean, we use meds and we're, you know, like big guns. If we need IVs, I mean, everything's is a tool in the toolbox. And these have to be very good. Non. I'm not an ideal hug. Like, oh, it's got to be oral, like, you know. No, heck, injectable for a lot of things. Some people like injectable. Let's say with like bpc, they think injectable works better. Other people, oh, but I think PO works better. If you look at the studies, head to head, all the studies, like head to head with BBC is unique because it's 14amino acids. It theoretically should not absorb, but absorbs very well when it's capped. And the studies show that for systemic effect, giving a capped oral versus a synthetic dose, whether it's intraperineal, IV sub Q, it's equipotent.

Okay.

But yeah, I'm not, I use what works. I'm a clinician. I'm not, you know, trying to push one way or the other. We'll do whatever, whatever works.

There are people who have objections about the, the oral forms because they're not sure how well they could be absorbed because the classical way it's putting directly in the body through.

And that's, that's fair that, you know, we can say it about a lot of things. Okay, just. Well, you better inject it to make sure. But how do we know? We do have some tests. Not, you know, not a ton. But it's the effect that, you know, how many people get better with oral? You know, it's definitely. I mean, placebo always has this effect, but it's way, way, way, way above that, especially to people that are sick. You know, the chronically ill patient multi system, they, they don't respond to placebo. It's a nocebo. They actually have a negative response to it. So, you know, they've been sick forever. They've taken hundreds or thousands of meds and they take this and they get better. Oh, placebo unlikely.

So which of the peptides are actually good to be used in an oral form? What about Fermorlin, cjc? What about MOT C?

No, maybe we're trying to do some studies but likely no without alteration. So they have to be altered which is an analog to have them. That's what, that's what they do in big pharma. So they alter them. So now that they can absorb, but now it's not a supplement, it's a med. So and anything that's injected, nasal, sublingual I is by definition of medication. So most things that are meds are meds. And there's happens to be a little lane for, for the supplements, the bioregulators, different story essentially all of them but like you know, but there's also ones that are short that do break down like ghk. GSK is not great. Orally it breaks down but if you cap the other ones, it's there, they're good and you know, at least 80% in the bottle.

I see, yeah. So you use a whole range of different methods. IV or sub Q or oral. Depends on the peptide basically.

Yeah, yeah.

What do you think of MOT C? I mean there's, I'm still. Because there's a little bit of controversy whether or not you can reconstitute MOT C and then use them for a few sessions or do you have to use all of it all at once?

I wouldn't leave it out. It, it's tend to see my stem cells, you know, people like oh, it's running over a couple hours and they're just dying there in the bag. Right. But yeah, with, with MOT C it's not very stable. And look and study, I mean there's pretty high variability but it's known to not be stable. And this is the case where number of them, but probably after I would say the half life is somewhat of an educated guess. But it's maybe four hours, you know, so they say. So in like six hours it'll be you know, 30% less. Something like that.

Yeah. And, and I want to ask you about cerebral lysine because it has gained. I think a lot of people are saying this is kind of like the holy grail right of brain regeneration. And the most common form is pig brain extract. That's the most common one that people get correct on the market.

It's been around for a long, long time. It's approved in 40 plus countries. Very, very safe. The essentially a non existent risk for you know, cryons and you Know, pigs are. They really don't get prions like mad cow. There's, there's no mad pig. There's a little irritated pig, but not mad and, and so very, very safe. And. But I, I didn't realize all people were. A lot of people were ordering compounded cerebralysin. And so that you're relying on someone who hasn't been doing it for 40 years and supplying to hospitals and everyone to put pig brain. And we actually did natural BBC, we had someone make that. It was so expensive because they had to scrape it out of the gut. And the manufacturer, they will never do it again. For us, it was just, you know, it's hideous. And think about opening up all these brains and how you have to be, you know, in terms of infection prevention that you better. I would not take a compounded one, you know, and, but I do a lot of circulation. And so it's, it's, it's tried and true but like with the. Well, cortexin, the brain bioregulator. Now. Yes, cerebral lysin is a, it's a bioregular. It's not. It has a bunch of different peptides. So there's long and short and. But we, and they won't even tell you what's in it. It's why if you look at the ingredients, just tells you amount of amino acids and you look at the ratio just to make sure it's that product. But it really tells you nothing about what each, you know, chain is and what the identity is. But we know again, it works. And the nice thing is it does work orally as well in the studies where they had just one dose EEGs and you know, change in that. So we, we've had very good results with it. And for. Even my stepson brothers were saying, oh, he's got something wrong with him. He's just so irritated. He's just a jackass, right? And I hear, I said, give him this. And we gave him the cerebral pep and they're like, oh my God, he's back to normal. You know, and we see that stuff over and over and over and. But so the kind of newer version is the cognopep, which has the, the active, right. So it's about 2,000 times as potent. Then we add the subcortical brain, which is a. The pinelion. So what it's kind of confusing because there's. Pinelion is amazing. And people think it's pineal, right? It has some like pineal effect, but it's subcortical brain. They really screwed up na naming it that but the epicalin is the, is the pineal gland one and then the vessel, whatever you added to it works much better and it kind of makes sense. It lowers the inflammation of the vessel so you get a lot better transport. You get increased nitric oxide so so it dilates and you get much better delivery and it kind of is that you know basically the boost for everything you can add oh let's give you a mascara peptide you know to everything and it works for and studies show significant difference with brain and right liver or like anything or it's interesting with like the low T therapy and there's like four to six different ones you can use. You have the testes, you have the prostate, bladder, liver, adrenal and and they found it was very. It's kind of confusing because you do them and people get increased libido they all will get increased testosterone but it's like if you leave one or two out they don't get the increased libido but it didn't matter which one it. It's kind of, kind of strange sometimes that way. But it's really fascinating that these little small things are so non toxic can make such a big difference.

Yeah. And I want to ask you. So the cerebral license that you're using instead of being compounded which is how these people were just processing the extract from the pig brain. Right.

I wouldn't trust anyone with pig brain.

So how the product you use, how were they obtained?

It's a secret. No, I'm kidding. Yeah. So I would want to use the manufacturer with anything that's a extract that is injected. I would not use compounded. I mean you know they're learning. They're. I'm sure they're you know trying to be but it's. It's high risk because you have this pig brain. It stinks like hell, it's horrible. But so these are totally sealed. It's a ampoule, not a idea. I wouldn't stick a needle in anything with brain in it and use of the gammas wouldn't. Same thing with Cuda pressin liver extract injectable. Very good treatment. It's really hard to get now we used to used to be all over worked you for so many illnesses and chronic fatigue syndrome, liver dysfunction brain. But it's not something you want to leave out.

Yeah but how is the cerebral Lyson you're holding? How were they processed? What was it that still originally from the pig's brain.

Right. Wasn't that how they it's, it's a, it's. You know, I'm not a big fan of big pharma, but they're a major pharmaceutical company and they've been doing it, they have it down and they. 40 years, their infection risk is non existent. I see. Where I don't know what these other guys are doing. You never get a full story again. Are they buying it from this person, that person, Are they making their own? Do they have even. They even know how it's being made? So it's. With extracts like that, I don't think it's worth the risk. Plus we. You get it cheaper from the manufacturer.

I see. Okay. So there are two areas I want to ask you about. One is, of course I'm very interested in the brain. So that's one reason we're talking about cerebralysin. But there's also CBAs, C link, there's the, the P22, 28 for depression and there's dihexa. What. How do you pick what to recommend to your patients?

Yeah, no, that's a very good question. And the brain ones, I'm fascinated with them as well. And you know, a humanin is one and it's a mitochondrial peptide, but they named it Humanin because it made Alzheimer's patients human again. And now there's newer versions that are much more effective. And here's like, holy crap, look at the data. And why aren't these getting out of phase three trials? They're just stuck there because someone's freaking paying them not to complete the trials. It's scary. And we're getting these meds approved for Alzheimer's that are just ridiculous and 60% of people on the approval board have stock in the damn thing. And it's, it's, it's worthless. And we have all these meds sitting there, but we can, you can get them compounded for patients. And again there's like human, which been around forever. Forever and much more potent versions. And there's, there's so many great, you know, brain things. But yeah, and like you know, Dihexa, 5 million 1Q, Cmax, Clank, uh, they'll, they'll work and just thinking like at parties, like, you know, used to whatever college stuff and now we're older, like doing snorts of CMax, you know, so. But yeah, it even helped people with normal memory better. So in like C. Lang, like I found that I was stressed. I'm like, where's my C Lang? You know, it's much more calming if it's more A meme auditory for antimicrobial.

Right. Anti anxiety.

Let's say someone has like double speech. I use injectables as well.

Yeah. So supposedly does C link work better intranasally?

You know, it's interesting that obverses injectable nasal is often more effective, especially for brain, because it goes basically, you know, into the veins in there. Right, Right to the brain and the plate goes up the kind of like you look at dementia. A lot of evidence showing that Epstein Barr and these things, they climb up. Herpes viruses climb up the nerve and go into the brain, you know, in and contributing to Alzheimer's.

Yeah. Let's say somebody comes in with Parkinson's.

Or als, which is exploding from all the toxins. It is the fastest growing neurodegenerative disease. It's nuts. ALS as well. And I have not seen any of those that don't have Lyme disease. Really?

Yeah. It's interesting. I remember years ago when I was doing research at the Mayo Clinic with a doctor who was a pioneer in Ms. Research and his whole theory is that there's viral origin of Ms. And his colleagues, he was laughed at.

Are you kidding me? It's like there is totally a virus, but I don't think that's the main cause. If you look at the lesions from. From Lyme, they're indistinguishable from Ms. I'd never seen an Ms. Patient doesn't have Lyme or at least Babesia, Bartonella. And then it's like a Lyme patient. Every single one of them has reactive ages. Immune system is still suppressed. And now you can't suppress all the Epstein bar HHV situation. Tons of all these viruses, you know, and most of we don't even test for. So yeah, they certainly contribute now they feed into the vicious cycle. But what's really the cause? But after time, it doesn't really matter because. But you gotta, you know, and it's like, why is the Lyme even allowed to come out? Because the immune system. So if you fix the immune system, then it will just suppress everything. We have so many infections, but the body is healthy enough to suppress them. And that's what happened. Like people like these infectious disease, they'll give all these antibiotics, like just slam them, nothing happens. That's right. I did three and a half years of the highest dose IV antibiotics I would never give to a patient. It was four or five, six, seven times the max dose and doing three, four, five, six, seven, eight at a time. Right. I'm like, don, like you don't care if I live or die anyways. I might as well kill it. Nothing. Nothing. I would go in with sepsis being on all that antibodies because my natural killer cell function was zero. Was zero. So you can't. The body can never take over. So antibiotics do not kill anything totally. They knock it down enough and the body takes over. I remember I was in for its memorial and totally septic, just, you know, dying, like, every three months like I did. And I remember the nurse, they're doing the ship change. I hears a. This is that AIDS patient that keeps up turning negative for hiv. And she was kind of right, because it was. I had no immune system.

Yeah.

And that's why we, you know, kind of immune modulatory clinic. And that's where we start. And things like pots, POTS and panel and Sears that you fix their immune system. And they go, what about the pots? Even? You know, and all these, like, neurologists are like, oh, you got fatigue because you got orthostatic hypotension. Attention, please stop. You know, it's like. It's a cause from everything. And you just. You fix your immune system. POTS goes away there. You know, all these. These symptoms. And it's pretty incredible where. And so we kind of like, you fix the immune system first, that starts helping the mitochondria. And then you can kind of pick because otherwise you're just treating this and this and this and this. But really, the immune system really, I think, really is at the hub of the spokes. And it basically will drive everything else for, like, mast cell activations and. Right. And they align. Most people have a component of that. All the POTS patients. And you fix the immune system because, like. Or also, you'll find that if you look at a mast cell patient, they'll have low cortisol but high ACTH and like, okay, well, what's going on there? And some of you give a little. The can tinus, of course, or immune modulators, because their body is trying to raise that cortisol to basically tamping down the inflammation, but it's not working. So there's a. Again, the central. Kind of same to the central hypothyroidism. And so corticotropin releasing hormone, it's just pumping that out. But it. The body's not responding. The ACH says that the ACH is. It's the disconnect to the adrenals. And. But CRH is one of the most potent stimulators of mast cells. So if your ACH is High. Your CRH is high. Stimulating that. So you want to bring that down. That's just like one little thing that all of a sudden you're like, oh my gosh, I feel so much better. You know. And you got all these like very good doctors though. But they're just trying to get at the mast cells directly. You look upstream and it's just so much more effective.

Yeah. So for Lyme disease, I know some doctors, they, they have a particular regimen, you know, apparently to deal with something as complex and persistent as Lyme. The organisms that is important to. On one hand to boost your own immune system's capability to fight it. But on the other hand to actively kill them to. To do these two things.

It goes hand in hand because direct killing helps. But you're never going to get there if you don't have immune system. You'll never be free of the stuff. So yeah. Until you're able to fix that. But the infections suppressing the immune system. So again, catch 22. Right. So you may have to treat and. But you really got to pay attention because the immune system is doing the killing. It's not the antibiotics. I mean they'll knock it down.

Yeah. I'm wondering if you have a particular protocol because some doctors, they do what they do stem cells. And I know that you found stem.

Cells great for infections. Stem cells are great for cancer. You know, infections. No, they're. They're wonderful.

Yeah. So that's the, the aspect of boosting your immune system. But. But Stemem cells like MSCS also have anti microbial properties. But in conjunction you can use ozone therapy or I know some doctors, integrated doctors do silver IV infusions.

So love silver. He wrote a paper on oligodenamic silver hydrosol and wrote a paper say it cannot cause our jury. It was time where the. The blue guy was going around on the top show is totally blue I guess Smurf. But he kept taking and he was the. Oh no. Colloidal silver. But what he was doing was making the silver by himself. He take the acidic bath some silver electrodes took a battery to it. He's just drinking the stuff. He's totally blue now. So I write this paper and some other doctors got in trouble with the Calvert medical board. They're horrible. And write paper saying how safe it is. And then we. We were doing like liter, like you know, between five hundred and a thousand liters of this stuff. Right. And it happened during Katrina and I don't know how it happened but I think we got someone that they had this Katrina rash. No one knew what it was. Antibiotics didn't work anti parasitics. And no one knew people were miserable. And someone came in with, oh, let's try this silver. And just we was wiping it out. And we had all these people. I mean just we were flooded with people from. With Katrina rash. But it works amazing also for Morgellons. Like it's awesome. But you know, so I was always using our Jedden silver. And that's where I wrote the paper. You cannot get arguing Wayne White mineral is. He convinced me he loved Gary Gordon. I gotta use this. And I did it. And within two weeks I'm freaking blue. I'm a tin blue. And I'm like, oh my God. I kind of didn't notice it. People like notice. They didn't tell me. And then I also took Gapsone and got methylglob anemia. And I was just like a smart fantastic methylene blue to cure the chat at my house to gear the. To cure that method globinemia. But I'm still. It's really irreversible. And it was bad. I mean it was just shiny silver. I was like a tin man for a long time. And I still have it under my nails, but I think the rest is kind of dumb. But like if I get a laser, let's say, you know, like a cosmetic laser, like people can't have. It hurts so much. Like exploits like a tattoo. It explodes because the silver in my skin. So I still have certainly some. So I caution people with silver, I would only do the silver hydrosol, the argentin. The other ones I think are risky. I don't want to, you know, probably. I'm sure some good ones, but I don't think they understand like what's going on. Stuff works great. Yeah. And with silver it matters the surface area. So. And problem with like silver salts that you see in the coil. Silver. There it is like it's like someone took silver and kind of like solid silver and threw it down. But you look at silver hydrosol, it's just totally dispersed. So lots of surface area that can attach to as many things in your.

Clinic when you treat patients with Lyme. So do you. Do you use ozone?

Oh yeah. That's a mainstay.

Okay. And do you also use silver?

Yeah, yeah.

Okay. And you just use stem cells?

Of course. Of course, yeah. Stem cells. Exosomes. Yeah, yeah.

And then peptides. Which one. Which ones would you pick to. To help with?

We used all of them. They all have. Have their place and they all work. And it's interesting with the, you know, the bioregulators have. They come on and a little different. I'd say they're, they're slower, but not always it's interesting like, like with the kidney, it's like, damn, the kidney function gets better like very quickly our liver. But in, in general they're slow on, slow off the peptides a little certainly quicker, but they work really well together. So you got the peptides as the cell surface and then you got the ones working at the gene level. So if you think about illness, it's kind of like you have this assault at which the peptides get up. Let's say like EMFs, right? And we had my other kid. I feel like I'm tortured in all my kids that we had him in a room with the router and everything, right. And all of a sudden he's getting these panic attacks. His heart is racing. I feel his heart rate is like totally irregular at like 180. I'm like, oh, damn, it's the EMF. Sorry, sorry. Put you in the closet there and. But we gave him BPC, which blocks the calcium channels which that the EMFs open the calcium channels and also the cardiac bioregulator and like started calming down at like 20, maybe 20 to 40 minutes. And after a couple hours he's like. It was like he had a beta blocker or something. And he says all this stuff is really neat. And if you would intake something for anti aging, the epital and with thymus, that combination, dramatic reduction in heart disease, cancer, increasing longevity, less actually they gave to cardiovascular patients. And they gave him six doses and followed him for 12 years. The ones that got the combination of the Pinellian and thymus, their cardiovascular system got better. They actually had more endurance. The dramatic, dramatic reduction in mortality, morbidity, increased quality of life. I mean, it's just, it's crazy. Like, why aren't everyone taking this? Because the benefits when. What's the downside cost, which is very, very minimal. And we just also discovered a skin bioregulator which you take orally and the skin like nice studies on and where we're adding to the studies that they get better. Yeah, I'm very skeptical of all the cosmetic stuff. It's like, wow. Well, you know, and I'm like, damn, this is pretty cool. You know, I think an oral thing. I mean, there's so many claims made about supplements and things, so. But you can tell I'm excited about the, about the stuff.

So you were talking About Pinealon and thymus. So Appetitelon.

Yeah, but then not Pinellion. Pinellion is awesome. But Pinelon is not a pineal peptide. It's a sub. Subcortical peptide. So they really made it very difficult. But so Epicalin is the pineal peptide. But like biolog, which is only two amino acids. It's a consider but two. How do you classify it? They classify it as a primary peptide, but it has a lot of pineal effects.

Are you talking about TB 500 and T alpha 1? Are you talking about these two?

Yeah. No, it'd be the thymogen, which is only two amino acids. So thymogen orally it was shown to be a hundred times more potent than thymolin injectable.

Okay, I see.

And so. And also that's very senolytic and you can't. A couple. You can't convert IGM to IGG. If you have low TH1, you. It basically causes senescence. So you get with that. Low TH1 is immunosenescence now. So the body with stress, radioactive species, toxins, the cells will start going into senescence. So what happens is they kind of shut down. The mitochondria go into cell danger response and instead of making energy, they start making reactive oxygen species. And people with diabetes and heart failure just have tons of this stuff. And so the cells that they have there, instead of, I'd say heart cell pumping and contracting, it's basically making arachidoxis species recruiting more senescent cells and making everything worse. A vicious cycle. Now we can selectively knock out those senescent cells, but the senolytics do not work unless you have the high TH one to basically recycle those and destroy it and recycle it. So you really need to have the immune system in so many things. That's what I'm saying. So, so important if you will get senolytics probably isn't going to work maybe a little bit. But because the mechanism knocks out, it doesn't matter. You can knock it out, but there's nothing there to kill it. Right. It's like, oh, we're going to make all these defensive, we're going to knock out the defenses, but there's no one attacking it. Right. So yeah, it's just the key to so many things.

Yeah. And to raise the TH1 system that's using. Is that you said just using thymogen. That's the, the, the best way.

Yeah. So really it's it. That's what the thymus does it brings. Keeps bringing that the TH1 lowering the TH2. And you can also add CHS over here. So. And I used to think you'll, you'll see like they'll say oh, ashima is a TH1 dominant and Graves is TH2 dominant. Well wait, they responded exactly the same thing. It makes no sense. And it's. The problem is, is that there's some labs there that they're looking at. Okay. Like the cytokines that stimulate Th1 are high, right. So let's say oh, you're Th1 dominant. No, it's kind of like the TSH high in saying you're high thyroid. You know, it's like it's trying to do it but it, it can't. So there's a lot of misinformation out there about that. Where and what they also they couldn't differential between Th17 and Th1. Th17 is the autoimmune one. And so they call it Th1. But I go, oh well it's Th17, which is on Th2 side. So due to a lot of, I think people not thinking through, there's been a lot of stuff thrown out and then labs have capitalized and they're. They throw people off and make them do the, the wrong thing.

If someone comes in with cancer, which is not uncommon, what peptides would you recommend them?

No, officially don't treat cancer per se.

It's a touchy subject for doctors.

It is. But even just the fact that I didn't, it wasn't something I spent all my time on. Right. And I don't want to miss something, but we don't refer out anything cancer. I think I referred one person just to get like a. Some sort of heart scan or something like that. But it's just, it's crazy. But with the cancer and there's, there's some very good cancer doctors. But we had problem. We were sending them out and they're, they're getting like high dose vitamin C or something. And I'm like, okay. Like you know, I do scared of missing something. I'm wanting to get one thing from these, you know, cancer doctors. So we're start doing. Because you know one thing, if you look at for instance, this is like one of the most documented with let's say colon cancer, right. They get radiation that oh, you're cure okay. Or you know, long remission. What does that mean? Five years if you follow those people, six years, seven years. It's all over the place. And what's the biggest determinant of that and they don't test it. They don't seem to care about it is the level of the natural killer cell. So natural killer cell function not the number. So it's that's again natural killer cell function. Natural killer cells, the ones that monitor body for infections, for cancer. And so what they do with the give chemo it knocks out their immune system. Now there's nothing searching. It's not searching destroying the cancer and it just explodes. And I know two people that is pretty close to and this and I told them my doctor says I'm like and it totally happened almost to the day. I'm like I got. I prayed I was going to be wrong. But it's. It's barbaric. And they just don't carefully we see that like why don't you think about why you know all you have to do is give some freaking some you know, $30 a month and could have prevented it. But again it's all about the immune system. And that's why you know, people have all these reactivating. You know that's why we have you know, chronic Lyme, all these, you know, chronic infections because the immune system just. It's too low. And then you get reactivating infections now they pile on. So that's when it gets very difficult to come back from that and or like Sears chronic trauma response syndrome. And so you have generally a compromised immune system. Then you expose to Molotox as the other people are generally fine but now you can't tolerate the immune system is just trashed. Now the standard protocol from Shoemaker who I love he's done so much for that immunity and set the protocols. But the whole thing was to take binders and get rid of the toxins so you could boost the immune system. Well we have a way to boost the immune system now. And now you can detoxify better. And you, you, you know and I wrote the. An ebook on it the Peptide protocol for the rapid treatment of Sears. And you get it I think on our site or I don't know because the people are on this stuff and I'm like how long have you been doing this? Like eight years. But I know I'm going to get better. I'm like oh God, I'm too add. I can't wait eight years. And they're just get better in you know, several months. So you know basically put. Put that together and they just. He had this kind of backward or just you know, instead of just looking at a little different. I'm not saying Anything is wrong with sprouts up dip amazing intestinal peptide. It makes them worse, they feel better, but it actually makes them worse and they can't get better. Well, I will butt heads with them that. But he's. People say, oh, like you don't like shoemaker? Absolutely not. It's amazing. We could not have come with the stuff we did unless he was there first and just spent so much time and passion to figure this stuff out. It was. That's probably way harder than Lyme, right? So. But it's. It's these chronic multisystem illnesses that you know, we are so horrible at treating in. In America. Really kind of all over the world. But now everything's multi system. We got toxins in the food. You know, pesticides. Pesticides are the wet. Basically the part of this going crazy. And you know, we look at the treatments that have been done for some things that have been going around. Like we'll check everyone's natural killer cell after, you know, they jab natural killer cell function, drops, drops each one and their immune activation and coagulation goes up. They're just. All their cells are clumping their immune system shot. And they often get reactivation of Lyme, you know, viruses and people. So many people like most people get Lyme. Don't have ever have a. Don't have a symptom, right. And we know this billionaire had a place in Africa where he went on safari and did that and he went and he got meflaquin for, you know, mosquitoes and that stuff. And just, you know, that's a pretty toxic line med. And he just all of a sudden just couldn't deal with this. Wiped him out. Now he's got it gave him Lyme, you know, because he had all this stuff and it reactivated and it's not my patient actually. It's a. A doctor friend of mine up north. And he's like, oh my God, why, why did I. Why did this happen? And that's what you see, you know, or we'll find. Oftentimes people get Lyme after a emotional trauma. Like emotion is so basically it's so a profound suppression of the immune system. But doesn't suppress the immune system. It modulates it so it lowers that TH1, raise a TH2. So you get that inflammation. But you can't fight your cellular infections where like stress from like work. But if you have like a kid that's ill or a fight with a spouse or like I had my narcissistic brother. Oh my God. The Phone will ring and I would just be bed bound. You know, you can't tolerate any stress and it's just anything emotional is the worst. Hmm.

Okay. So would you say that for Lyme patients and there's much higher prevalen cancer, it's elevated cancer risk?

You know what, it's, it's, it's interesting that I've always. It's a very good question because I've been looking for it. And the problem is you won't get the answer because the infectious society of America says chronic Lyme doesn't exist. So how can you do a study that shows that chronic Lyme is associated with cancer when it's something that doesn't exist? Wow, that shows you right there. People are supposed to be treating it and it's just like, okay, here's this study, this study. La la la la la.

Do you have an anti aging stack when it comes to peptides? So if somebody's pretty healthy, I just want to live really long and stay.

In great shape or you know, tree Lyme, I will never give it up because that, you know, you have to get back and you know, for all my sins, my previous life, so I got to do it. But so we're about to launch a very, very comprehensive biologic age reduction program. We're gonna, we're guaranteeing five years reduction biologic age with a number of tiers. But yeah, there's, I think it's a great time to be alive. That there is. There are things that you can do now to actually reduce your biologic age and actually live longer, live better longer. I mean there's just so many things and yeah, I think peptides and bioregulators are at the center of it. But there's also so many other things as well. Well, you know, which go into, you know, suppressing MTOR with rapamycin, you know, basically ctics. I mean there's, you know, also, you know, intermittent fasting which I don't know if I'm, I'm a huge fan of because if you look at the studies, the study by libel and others now have shown that if you fast significantly or decrease your calorie intake three times, especially women, especially men can maybe go a little longer. But all of a sudden the body will suppress the thyroid, suppress the metabolism and it won't go back to normal even when you go back to normal eating, some people say of required metabolism. They have and well that's what we went the we test and people who are sick or older, who can't Lose weight almost in. Invariably they will have approximately 25% lower metabolism of someone of the same age and weight. Everyone just, oh, you're just eating bun. Buns in the, in the closet and, and they're, you know, tired and they're a little depressed and, and then you give them T3, T4 then doesn't work. And the studies where they, they prove that all these people were not low thyroid, they gave them all T4 didn't do anything like we give the wrong stuff, you know, and, but T3 but totally a dramatic improvement. So you know, and it's so simple too. It's so simple and so many people need it. So we're probably missing 60 to 70% of people in the US are suboptimal thyroid.

Well, since armor thyroid is a combination of T3 and T4 and is a.

More natural form, it's better than Syndroid, but not much really. And all the studies show it.

Interesting because that's what's in the anti aging functional medicine space.

I mean if you have a patient who is totally healthy, no stress, you know, no not exposed any toxins of it, not eating the U.S. i guess, yeah, they'll be okay on Synthroid and Armor. But if you, the more things you add in there, stress again, toxic food, any chronic illness, all getting older, it just basically more and more you don't give G4 because it works to reverse T3 and actually works against you. And it's a big problem.

I see. So are you taking t3?

Yeah, well, t3 saved my life and that was the big thing. It did. I was just like, oh my God, this is.

Yeah.

Godsend.

So a question someone will ask is that, does that mean I'll be taking this T3 for the rest of my life?

Yeah, I mean I don't need to. I mean my levels are normal and I feel pretty good if I know if I get stressed, I feel I need it, but it's not a huge difference. But also I, I really reason I continue to take it because it lowers all the cardiovascular risk factors. It's boosting mitochondria and so it's actually anti aging. But you know, people on T4, they want to get off of it. They're. It's just like they're doing it. It's kind of like the saving of the biodeagle hormone stuff like giving Prempro and trying to convince people that that's the same as, you know, bioidentical and it's just like. And they'll fight to the death. And it's just like, look at the studies I published, the viagal hormone debate. And so it's just like, what. How could you even argue that you're evil? Like, you know, I love, you know, medical debates, including debates I don't get. Now we'll just talk about it. But dude, that's like just ignoring on purpose just to fulfill whatever. Why do you want to give everyone freaking horse estrogen oral, which goes to the liver, increases, you know, the clotting factors as equivalent in it, which is very carcinogenic. Why don't you give something without it? And then progestin, which actually increases the risk for breast cancer, where you can get progesterone, which decreases the risk, which would you give? And they're just arguing over, like, stop. Mm.

Yeah. I think the last peptide I want to ask you is a very popular semaglutide for weight loss. And there is. I've, you know, heard of somebody getting severe pancreatitis, you know, a very severe side effect. How concerned are you when somebody wouldn't they.

I don't think the pancreatitis is likely due to semaglutide. It's due to basically excessive weight loss. Right. And they'll get the same. Same rate. But, you know, there's a lot of GI side effects. And GERD is a big one. But actually, my cool friend fixes. You give everyone BPC dramatically cuts all that. Plus it will. It would. It prevents pancreatitis. It, you know, it basically lowers the inflammation. Then you can also take the pancreas bioregulator, the liver bioregulator, along with PPC and even TB4 frag even and KPV. And you're going to prevent all. All that stuff because they're all. They're increasing protein synthesis. There's less stasis there. The cells are more active, the mitochondria are active and lowering inflammation. They're also like, for instance, like, BPC is shown to almost every toxin. And like, it will keep people from having symptoms. They won't overdose from, like, methamphetamine. They won't have the. They'll be like the toxic, you know, basically lethal doses. But hey, it was, you know, not having the side effects. It prevents the toxicity from mycotops and from pretty much across the board. It's pretty amazing. I talked about the ems, but it will. So when you give it with meds, especially even like the Lyme patients, I mean, they're taking tons of antibiotics, your liver functions are going up and even when you're killing the Lyme, it's like live show up. It may not even be the toxicity of the meds. It's because you're killing Lyme that's in the liver. But it will prevent all that or at least as you say it, it will help prevent that or, you know, so also, you know, the studies with, you know, even like meds like ibuprof or you know, Tylenol is one of the most toxic substances and you know, what is a big cause of autism besides, you know, Tylenol and we're giving to the freaking kids and pregnant mothers. It's ridiculous, it's horrible, it's barbaric. I'm sure voucher's behind it some way, but no, it's just. I don't know if he's so pissed, but the BBC will prevent so many toxicities and overdoses and, and the thing is that like certain peptides get known for like TB4 frag for basically reversing damage from a heart attack. So they studied that part. Doesn't mean it won't do that for the brain or for the liver. And, and like it works for a hangover if you take it, you know, before and it prevents all that toxicity from the acetyl aldehyde that builds up. It's not from dehydration, it's from acetyl aldehyde. Because we actually, I had a beer co. We have a hangover, free beer. We had a double B C. Literal studies and put it out and. But as soon as we did and published the studies, the bureau back to the back at firearm said, nope, can't make a healthy beer. So we moved on. But fine industry though. Yeah, it's kind of amazing stuff, but it's just, I don't know, the misinformation from people they freaking know too, you know?

Yeah. Wow. Okay. This is fantastic. Such a fascinating.

Sorry about betting on the soapbox over and over there.

Just so much. I mean, you've been in this space for so long, you've seen so much and, and you know, so much. It just, just it's, it's exciting. And I know your, your clinic's very busy. People with very serious conditions, you know, come to you for, for help.

So can I mention one thing? Just because if there's someone out there like, you know, so I took kind of two years off. All I treated was the veterans and all we did was treat special forces veterans. Totally disabled. Traumatic brain injury, post traumatic stress. Very complex. Sick is sick. They are the most humble, grateful people. So we were covering everything so we could do all, all the testing and I figured it was going to be all over the board, right? But like one main one I I'll tell you about was this. The kid, Special forces was totally a terrible traumatic brain, couldn't read. He had aladinia, you know, he can't even touch his skin. He couldn't sleep, total anxiety, pain, fatigue, sweating in and out of the VA outside. Neurologist, they're doing blocks on him and nothing's working. They find him face down and you know, basically in his house, pulseless, liver failure, kidney failure, raptomyolysis. They, he's not going to make it. Put him in induced toma just to wait and you know, put parents in, he's tripping special forces, he makes it right. But they said you know, what's he going to be like? But now he's actually as some bunch we still couldn't read and just worse and worsening, worsening pain. Neurologist, they don't know what to do. And then his mom knew my girlfriend and Hawaii, blah blah blah. But he came in and the first visit we got rid of his allodynia, um, and we had foot drop. He couldn't, he couldn't control his split. And at the end, the first visit he's like moving his butt and then this, this other doctor with me also, I'm talking to the mom and he just starts smacking his foot, right? I'm like, or else jump up, what are you doing? He's like, it doesn't hurt. I mean you can feel it but it doesn't hurt. And then so, you know, long story short, he basically after three or four business pretty much back to normal. Yeah and he went camping. When he goes camping they go, no sleeping veins, nothing. You know, that's what they do. But this is what we found in them. They all had the worst immunity ever. The TH one was just non existent and just tons of inflammation, tons of toxins, you know, burn pits or whatever. They all had chronic Lyme and most of them had a CO infection. Like what the heck. Yeah, I don't think they got it in Afghanistan. That's where they all went. What, so what's going on? So they're telling me they all rotate, rotate through Fort Bragg, I think they named it something else, Freedom or something. But in North Carolina, endemic lime and laid in the bushes for about three months training. And so if you combine a chronic infection, you look at the studies, some things on studies on Cobalt mines. People with, like, heavy metal toxicity, if they get malaria or not, that someone with a very high toxin load gets an infection, chronic infection, they're very, very, very likely to get autoantibodies, especially to the brain. Every single one of these guys had antibodies to their serotonin receptors. Norepinephrine, dopamine. And no wonder 60 plus are blowing their brains out every day because they're giving them antipsychotics, antidepressants. And wonder that working because all the receptors are blocked.

Yeah.

And so we. And. But after about two, I couldn't. It was just got so expensive, I had to, like, put it on pause. But then. So we. Subsequently, we hadn't had to start back up, but we got a grant. One of our new doctors got through his medical school, and then another agency helped us get. Looks like we'll probably get a nice like 300,000, and then after that will be like a million plus. So we can really start treating these vets. But it's just horrible the way these vets are treated. They're getting the worst care ever, and they deserve the most. And I mean, I was at a party, and this guy's like, crying in the corner, and I know what's going on. Wow. He's a veteran and he messed up and he's getting divorced, like they all are. And I went up to him, he's. Oh, you understand. I'm like, let me guess. You got. He's like, how do you know that? The veteran? The VA says I'm so unique. They've never seen anything like it. I'm like, he's the quintessential. You know, it's like, not so in finance. They just come in. It won't cost you anything. They don't come in. Like, it's just. It's very strange. Like, they're just too autonomous or something. But. But they are the nicest people. But they need help and they're not getting it. So we're going to try to change that.

Yes, yes. Yeah, we love our veterans at our clinic, too. So we. Yeah, we definitely. We give. We would do things very special for them. And you're right. Some of the nicest people. Kind, open heart, just humble. Yeah. So. Well, Dr. Holtorf, what a conversation.

Hey, thank you so much for having me. I miss you. I forgot I missed you.

Your wealth of knowledge and passion as well, you know, and. And also your humility. You know, I've always, You know.

People, especially Doug, can take themselves too seriously, you know?

Yeah. So how do people Find you and benefit from everything you've developed.

Let's see. Yeah, you know, integrated peptides and we're coming out with some new stuff which is exciting. I kind of get into that Nash hypothyroidism. We need to kind of beef that up. But a lot of review articles and you know, if you're fatigued, you're hips way whatever, you need to make sure you fix your thyroid. Find a doctor that understands that stuff. You know, probably going to start a podcast. We're trying to follow in your footsteps. Launch. We're actually two, two separate ones. One through doctor talks which are. Oh, from the peptide summits. I have like 60 interviews a doctor. So we're gonna kind of replay that on one thing but then we're going to do live stuff. So you have to agree to come on ours. You know, you have to slum it and Absolutely, I would love to. I'm going to call you. You're like, oh my. People will get back to you and they'll never hear ever. No, I'm not like yes, we're praying. Yeah, we've got some great new doctors. I just love them. Passionate. We're actually doing for like complex patients because it's like, you know how it gets the old. Even though God, my heart goes out to him, but it just wears on you. So we're doing like kind of like old school. Like we have like our new doctors, like four or five or six of them and we all sit around and they, you know, we basically all listen to case go back and forth and everything's recorded and because the patients, you know, they go from doctor to doctor, they don't believe. Now you've got, you know, five very experience, just passionate, most caring doctors and you could hear how with the what the rationale is in the pot. So it's, we've just kind of started it and it's. The feedback has been great for people.

Wow, that's great. That's powerful. I love that.

Yeah, it's fun too. It kind of brings the fun back in it. So it's really a win win and patients love it. Yeah, yeah.

Wonderful. So your center is in California, in O Segundo. And how do people get in contact with you?

Yeah, it's, it's whole torquemed.com again. We have some awesome doctors. There's lovely people and, and they're all bringing, you know, their own unique experiences and therapy. So we're just adding like therapies every couple days. So it's really neat and just they're they're neat people. Then lecture, you know, all around. And so we're trying. We're. One thing we do suck at is marketing. We may not know where we are, but, yeah, we're Nelson D.O. holdsworth Medical Group. Innovative. I'm the medical director. I'm not. They're separate integrated peptides. Separate. But I like what they do. And again, I started it, but then handed it off to be separate. So cool stuff coming out.

Okay. All right. Dr. Holtorf. So that's spelled H O, L, T O, R F. And you're fabulous. And thank you for being my guest to share your knowledge.

Thanks so much. Enjoy. You're awesome. Appreciate it. Thank you.