One of the Slowest Aging People Reveals The NEW Workout To Live Longer | Sebastien Lagree

I say, listen, I noticed that after you do the Pilates sessions with me, you go to the gym. So why are you going to the gym? And they all tell me I'm not getting anything from that workout. You're doing Pilates. You're restoring the original balance to your body. That's what Pilates is. The problem with Pilates is being promoted. It's a workout that is going to lengthen your muscles. You can't lengthen the muscle. Guys. I went to the owner and I said, hey, Ivan, listen, these women are not going to stay. They're liking the sessions, but this is not intense enough. Is it okay for me to, to modify the method? Ivan tells me, make these women happy. I don't care what you teach. So I basically started to teach a circuit training workout using the Pilates apparatus. I used the Reformer, the chair, the ladder barrel, all these machines, but I used it for circuit training. These women were shaking, they were sweating. I swear, Joy, after my second month, I was already getting invited on TV shows, program and stuff like that. I was already on TV.

Yeah, that was fast. Welcome to the Dr. Joy Kahn podcast. Today I have an exceptional guest with us, Sebastian Legree, who is the founder of Legree Fitness. It's a fitness program that I've been doing for over probably nine years and is an incredible workout. And it's not just this particular fitness method. Sebastian is pushing the boundary of what fitness means, wanting to blend fitness and spirituality in his next evolution of the fitness efforts. And he has over 200 patents under his belt. And the Lagree Fitness was named the number one workout on ClassPass. And he has been a longtime patient of our clinic as well, allowing us to supercharge his wellness and, and fitness regimen. So I'm super excited for him to be here and share his wisdom with all of you. Welcome to the show, Sebastian.

Thank you, Joy.

It's such a pleasure to have a fitness pioneer right here with me in the podcast.

Oh, thank you.

Yeah. I don't think I've ever interviewed a fitness guru.

Oh, really?

Uh huh.

Well, am I a guru?

You are a guru.

Okay.

You have over 200 patents.

I do, yeah.

What were these patents on?

These patents are for the machines that I make for the method that I created called Agree Fitness.

Yes. And I'm very familiar with it because I just worked out the Lagree Fitness this morning and actually I realized I need to do a little bit more frequently because.

Fantastic. I mean, whatever you're doing is definitely working for you.

Okay, thank you very much. Well, Legree has been part of my fitness, you know, I know, repertoire for, for a while now for I don't know how many years. Seven, eight years probably, because I know.

For sure I've known you for at least six years because I started the stem cells with you. Bona was 45, so seven years for sure.

So, yeah, so I probably did it for a couple years before I even met you.

Almost 10 years.

Yeah, I was already a fan of, of your method.

Well, thank you. Yeah, I'm a fan of your method.

See, hey, that's how we can flourish together.

Yes, absolutely.

Help each other with our. Yeah, so what you started was really fantastic because that's one method. It's like a combination of strength and resistance training, a little bit of cardio and a little bit of meditative, you know, kind of atmosphere and in a group setting. So you're not a lonely, you know, you're not pushing yourself, you know, which is a lot harder if you don't have a group to help motivate you.

Yes.

So, yeah, so tell me how.

And thank you for not saying and not mentioning Pilates. I know, I know you know better.

That's right. I. I know you triggers.

The P word is a trigger for me. Oh, shit, she said that.

Okay, but you have to admit that your method was inspired initially by Pilates. Right.

So the method was inspired by the equipment.

Okay.

So I got introduced to pilates back in 98. I came to LA to pursue a career in acting, which I obviously did not work. But so I, in order to, in order to sustain my, my acting ambitions, I had to work. So I decided to do personal training. I landed at one studio that was back in July of 1998. And so this one location is one studio in. On Melrose was offering both weight training and Pilates. And then the owner looked at me, he interviewed me and he saw that I knew that was talking about for fitness, for, for working out, for movement. So he recommended that also teach Pilates at his studio. And so when I started to learn Pilates and teach Pilates, I fell in love with the Reformer. So the method is based, or the equipment is based on the Reformer, but I don't, I haven't based any training techniques on Pilates. What I did is essentially I infused all the weight training exercise that I would do at the gym and also the weight training training techniques because I use a lot of bodybuilding training techniques in the gris and I adapted that on the Reformer and other Pilates apparatus. And that's how degree came out. But I was the first person when people ask me, hey, what do you call this method? In 1998 I called it Pilates plus because I, you know, I honestly, this was something I was just doing in the meantime. This was in the interim. This was never meant to be my career. I was going to be the next rock star. I mean, of action star, like, you know, like the rock, you know, that's what I was like, Arnold. That's what I came here, you know, was like super big, you know, was bodybuilding at the time. I had my long blonde hair, you know. So I'm thinking, oh, I'm 24 years old, I'm like, oh, I'm going to come to LA first audition, I'm going to book a $20 million deal. This is, this is. No, I know. It's, this is exactly the kind of, of, of high thinking I had about myself, you know, and of course nothing worked out. It worked out better. Yeah, but that's, so that's how the whole thing started. So Legree is essentially like a circuit training that you do on the mega former. So the mega former is essentially, essentially a souped up reformer. I mean, it's no longer a reformer because I got 200 patents and those patents have really completely modified, you know, the, the reformer. It's, it's no longer a reformer. All the, all the technology that I added to this machine is completely, it took the reformer to a whole other level and it's no longer a reformer. So that's called a. I call it the mega former.

Yeah, yeah. So what do the reformers do for the body and what do the megaformer do that's different?

So, you know, a lot of people today say, oh, I can do something on my Reformer. Well, first of all, okay, this is 20, 25, okay. In 1998, all the reformers looked alike. They're all wooden. They're all about 88, 89 inches in length. They're very narrow. There's a large carriage. There's no platforms on the Reformer. There's just like a football on the front. You have the springs and you use. And the Reformer had remained unchanged since the 1930s. Yeah, actually, if you look at the original patent filing for the Reformer, it has nothing to do with the reformer that people saw today. When Joseph created the Reformer, it was first just a cart, a cartwheel. It was just a carriage on wheels. And then that carriage would act. There was no track, there was no frame. It would sit on the floor. So you would lay on Your back on that carriage against a wall. And then you'd have a cable that ran through the carriage attached to the wall, up to a pulley. And on the end of the pulley you had a we. So there was no, not even springs. So that was the first patent that Joseph filed, one of the first patents for the reformer. And I don't know what happened to that reformer, but I don't think he went anywhere. And in the 1930s, you start to see all these like reformers, like you see today, you know, on the bed frame. And so that system stayed unchanged until I came in the picture. So in 1998, you know, when you look at a reformer, it's essentially this wooden machine. You have a carriage with shoulder rest. Because most of the exercise you do on the reformers are laying on your back. Why? Because the reformer is another apparatus in the Pilates arsenal. And Pilates, when you study Pilates, the original method that Joseph Pilates created back in the 1920s and 30s and 40s, it's a rehab method. It's not a workout. Okay. The term fitness didn't exist until the 1970s, 1980s actually. I was, I did a first my. When I did my first documentary on fitness, I had a hard time to locate when the word fitness was actually coined. And I think fitness came out right around Pumping Iron, which was a documentary I think in the late 70s, and which pumping Iron basically popularized bodybuilding. And I think it might have been Joe Weider himself who coined the term fitness to package bodybuilding. So fitness was a. So the word fitness was coined after Joseph Pilati's death. So the poor guy, Joseph, you know, I don't know what he called his workout. I think he called contrology. That's what the, the name of the. The method was. But Joseph believed that movement healed. So in Pilates you work out when you do the original style. The original style. Because today when you go to a Pilates studios, most Pilates studios practice fake, fake lagree. They all do my workout. Now most of the Pilates studios don't do the original Pilates method. Now they're all doing my workout and they're calling it Pilates, which is causing confusing everywhere. The original method is about, okay, what issues do you have? You have issues in your back, your ankles, your knees. And then you lay on your back on the reformer so that you don't have your weight stressing the joints. You basically in a weightless environment because you lay on your back. And then you're working with a system of Springs and, and you're doing a variety of movements to bring the blood flow to the area that is hurting. And Joseph Pilati's belief that circulation promoted healing. And that's what he found out because Joseph was also a nurse and during the first World War. And that's kind of not this. I wasn't there obviously, you know, so I'm just, you know, gathering the information that I read on multiple website. And apparently when he was a nurse during the World War I, he noticed that having patient active while they were in bed actually sped up recovery. So Joseph was very interested in movement. So Pilates was never designed, it was never created to create a body like yours, for example. It was never to create this tight, sexy, defined look, right? It was just about circulation. So in Pilates there is no progressive overloading. Progressive overloading is one of the center, a principle in degree. And what it means that, you know, the intensity has to be progressed over time so that you can continue progressing and continue transforming and changing your body. In Pilates the goal is to do 10 perfect repetitions. Once you do 10 perfect repetitions, you're done. So there's never an impetus, is never, there's never the goal of just doing more. It was never part of the method. So today is very different when people do go to Pilates studio.

You know, I remember times that I want to swear when the instructor keep pushing and make us do more and more is like more. You serious? You want more?

Yeah, so. So degree is a hard workout.

Pushing.

Yeah, that pushing. Yeah, that, that pushing is, is what you need, you know, today, you know, like yesterday or today I taught this class and I had this 72 year old doing a class with me. 72 year old. And then she did a five and a half minutes reverse runners lunge, which is one of the hardest lunge you can do on the mega former. She did it without breaking form. She did a whole 60 minute workout with me without breaking form the entire time. She worked perfectly. And I love that, you know, because now what I want to do with the method, I'm. I'm changing the method so it becomes a longevity method. And this is where you and I talk a lot about the, you know, exercise, you know, because I think exercise has to be part of a longevity program. If you want to live long and then have good years, you can't do it without exercise, you know, so. And we'll talk about that. Yeah, but anyway.

Yeah, yeah, so. So the way you were, you weren't quite satisfied with Pilates because Oh, I.

Was bored to death. Oh, my God, no, hang on a sec. I taught Pilates because when in 1998, when I decided, okay, shit, I go to all these auditions and no one wants to hire me for the acting job, but everyone is asking me if I'm a personal trainer. The director, the producer, other people that were going the audition would say, hey, are you a personal trainer? Everywhere I went, people asked me if I was a personal trainer. Now, I, I already told you this, right? I have a, I, I, I, I, you know, I believe in a supernatural. Okay, right. You know that, right? I have a close connection to a God, okay? Not the biblical sense, but the universe, the Source, you know, or the Force in Star wars, for example. I really believe in that stuff. So what was interesting to me is In July of 1998, I had people coming up to me asking me if I was a personal trainer. But this didn't happen once or twice or three times. It kept on happening. The only time in my life when people actually walk up to me, okay, sometimes interrupted, is something that I did say. If asking me if I was a personal trainer, it happened so many times in that time period in July of 1998 that I took it as a sign. So very quickly I, you know, so I am like this, My whole business is run like this, by the way, guys, okay? I don't do. Maybe I do like one or two consumer group, focus group, you know, things, but it's all guts. It's all by dreams. Dreams are very important to me, right? I'm very in tune with this other realm that exists that, that we can't see but is definitely affecting our lives, right? So I'm very in tune with this. I meditate a lot. I also do psychologic drugs and. No psychedelic, no psychedelic. Psychedelic. Oh, my God, never can say that. Psychedelic. Okay. I'm really into all these, like, alternative ways of thinking and things like that. But anyway, so in July 98, everyone is asking me, you know, if I'm a personal trainer. So I'm like, okay, well, guess, guess what, I got the. I got it, I got it. God. All right, I'll go and become a personal trainer. So I go to all these different clubs in la. Everyone is refusing me because I don't have the proper credentials. I'm not a certified personal trainer. I don't have shit. I don't have a resume. I have a master's in business. Oh, but that doesn't count for anything. Apparently, you got, you can get a master's in business. But you cannot get a job as a personal trainer with a massive business. So, guys, okay, just, you know, spoiler alert, you know, you can't. So, so every, every, every club wanted me to become a personal. A personal, certified personal trainer. They all had their own program, whatever. I'm like, oh, fuck, I don't have a cash. At that point, I'm going through my cash. And so roommate is telling me that, hey, Sebastian, is this Pilates studio next door? And I think they also have weight training, so maybe you can go there and ask, you know. So the next day I go there. It's like walking distance of the, the place I was renting. So it was perfect, right? I didn't have the car. My car had been broken into. So I walked to the, the place and then the owner, Ivan, look at me, you know, I knew exactly what Ivan thought when he saw me. But I'm like, no, Ivan, I'm straight. And so Ivan took me under his wing. And Ivan said, listen, I will let you train people here with the weight because you obviously know what you're doing, but I want to teach you Pilates and I want you to teach my clients. And I told Ivan, all right, that's fine. So literally, I met Ivan on a Wednesday. And the next day, Thursday, I have my first Pilates client. I even say, all right, I gotta.

But you had not done Pilates.

I've never done Pilates. This is how it is. This is how it is behind the scene. Because later on I find out that when you get certified in Pilates, it takes two years. So most studios won't let you touch your clients after the first two years. For the first year, you get trained and you get. It's all the method and all the theory and all the practice and all that stuff. I got trained two hours and then I got an hour break and then I got my clients. So Ivan tells me, all right, come back tomorrow at 2pm, we're going to do this. I'm going to show you this routine. You're going to rehearse that routine. You're going to take a break. At four, five o' clock, you got your first client. And that's how it was done.

Wow.

So I went and basically did that. I did my two hour training, I took an hour off, then I trained. That one person had no fucking idea what I was doing. But apparently the person liked it. So about 10 sessions. And I kept on doing this every day. And after about a month of teaching Pilates, I'm fucking bored out of My mind, okay? Because I don't. This is not my style, okay? I don't. I don't teach on wooden machine. I was like 250 pounds, okay? I'm 6 4, okay? I'm 250 pound of muscles. I lift hundreds of pounds. I just like. Like, you know, I'm doing. I was also on roids, okay? And so I'm, you know, you know, I'm like, I love lifting metal. I love to sweat, I love to shake. I love to be sore the next if I'm not soft to work out. I'm really pissed off. I've been sore for the. Since I'm 13 years old, you know, almost. Almost 40 years of soreness, okay? And so I love this. And so I'm teaching those people this workout. I can. Women are fucking bored as fuck on those machines. And then I say, listen, I noticed that after you do the Pilates sessions with me, you go to the gym. So where are you going? To the gym. And they all tell me, well, Sebastian, you know, I don't offend you, but I'm not getting anything from that workout. You know, I'm not sweating. I'm not feeling anything. I'm like, well, you're doing Pilates is basically, you're, you're stretching. You're. You're stretching the big muscles, the strength, the small, smaller muscles. You basically tuning your body. You're restoring the original balance to your body. That's what Pilates, I don't know what you think it is, because the problem with Pilates is being promoted. It's a workout that is going to lengthen your muscles. You can't fucking lengthen the muscle, guys. You're going to work a muscle in its length, but you cannot extend a muscle beyond its points of origin and insertion. It's impossible. I cannot. I cannot work my biceps and then extend my biceps to my wrist, okay? It's not going to happen. All right? And by the way, Pilates been promoted for years. I Hope you do 10 or 20 or 30 sessions, you're going to have the body of a dancer. No, you're not going to have the body of a dancer, okay? Do you know how many hours dancer dance, okay? They dance six, seven, eight hours a day. You tell me you're going to take three hours of Pilates a week, and that's going to give you what, 8 times 5, 40 hours of no. So these women are being sold something and they're disappointed, right? And so I come in the picture and I say, listen, I can give you the result that you're seeking without taking you to the gym. Okay? Because some of these women wanted to do cardio. They want to do some exercise, but kind of afraid of lifting weight because they thought that the weight would bulk them up. And also I was working with a lot of women who were actresses or they were host, you know, TV host models. So these people had a wardrobe and they could not gain muscle and then not fit in the wardrobe. Right? So boots like what you're wearing right now. Oh, my God. So many actors have come to. Mr. Sebastian, this is my boot size. Is this going to make my calves bigger? No, it's not going to make your calves bigger because I was really big, right? I was bodybuilding at the time. I was on roids. I was all pumped. And these women see this bodybuilder guy teaching these women, like you beautiful women, super tight, you know, this machine. I don't want to get big. I'm like, don't worry, okay? In bodybuilding you have trained techniques to get big, thick muscle fibers, but you also have training techniques to get tight muscle fibers. We're going to use the training techniques to get you tight. Okay? And then so I went to Ivan, I went to the owner and I say, Ivan, listen, these women are not going to stay all these. I don't think they're liking the sessions, but it's just not intense enough. Is it okay for me to modify the method? And he said, Sebastian, I remember this. I was in, in one of the room and give massages because Ivan is an incredible man, right? He's a, he's a, he's a, he's a ifb, IFBB pro, professional bodybuilder, massage therapist. I think also acupuncture, acupuncturist. I mean, this guy had like degrees all over the walls, you know, Very knowledgeable. And I love people like that who like multifacetets. So whatever Ivan told me was going to be this, okay? Ivan tells me, sebastian, make these women happy. I don't care what you teach. Great. All right, so I, I basically started to teach a circuit training workout using the Pilates apparatus. I didn't use any Pilates train techniques. I use the Reformer, I use the chair, the ladder barrel, the Cadillac, all these machines. But I used it for circuit training. And in between, since there was a cardio room, we would do like five or six minutes, you know, on the, on the, on the pre core. And they would mix basically the cardio and the weight. These women were shaking. They were Sweating. I swear, Joy, in a matter of three weeks, I went from working maybe 12, 14 hours a week to 60 hours a week.

Really?

After my second month, I was already getting invited on TV shows, program and stuff like that. I was already on tv.

Yeah, that was fast.

That was super fast. So I'm like, you know, then I, then I thought, well, this is why I was getting all these messages in July. So I'm supposed to do this, right? But I, you know, anyway, so that's, that's, that's, that's the whole thing. That's how everything started.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's amazing. So you are using grabbing different things along with the machine to create this?

Absolutely, yeah. Yeah. And then I, I, I, I knew that this woman had to move constantly, right? We had to use time and attention, which is absolutely in the concept that does not exist in Pilates, okay? There's no fucking time under tension. Don't even tell me. I'll challenge any Pilates master to demonstrate time under tension doesn't exist.

Tension. What does, what does it do? So you're, you're, so you're keeping the muscles exactly.

So you timing the muscle contraction. So in agree, you have to keep the muscle contracted for at least 60 seconds. 60 seconds is the trigger for the aerobic system to kick in. So when people tell me, well, this is not aerobic. Oh, why? Well, because I'm not running for 20 minutes. Do you know what aerobic activity means? Go look it up. 60 seconds of continuous motion, that's aerobic. It's all it takes for the body to turn into aerobic mode. Cardio mode is 60 fucking seconds. So if you do your sets and each of your sets are at least 60 seconds, it's cardiovascular. But so many people are just old school about training. They're completely unable to accept new ideas, new things. Me, I'm all about new ideas and new things. Because obviously, whatever system that we have in use right now, it's not working. We have more and more obese people. We have more and more people not working out. So I want to find the techniques, I want to find the technology that triggers people into, want to work out. Because working out is life. You know, exercise is life with some school of thought.

It says that you have to reach a heart rate to a certain level to reap the cardiovascular benefit.

Yes, well, this, so there's an anaerobic and aerobic threshold. So that's. So when you go into anaerobic threshold, you start to be more sugar and less fat. And that has to do. And you, you figure this out with basically your age. And then I forgot what it is. You have to take an age and you take a minus. You take 20 off. I forgot how you calculate that. I used to know, but now I don't give a shit about this.

You don't care. I don't care about cardiovascular health. You need to get your heart rate to a certain level. Like that's.

So it depends. I think as long as your heart is constantly pumping, right? And at least as long as you're about 100 beat per minute, right? It doesn't take that much to be the, you know, well, it takes a little bit of effort, like walking. I think my, you know, if I walk around, I think I might be like 100 beat per minute or whatever. It depends why you want to do cardio. 4. I mean, are you doing it to keep your heart active and young and healthy, or are you doing it because you're doing like some advance, you know, Are you doing it for. Are you competing in something? Do you want to burn fat? All of that stuff, Right? It depends what you want to do cardio. I think what we need to do in the fitness industry today, we need to. We can't just. We can't just throw everything in the same basket. Legree, pilates, yoga, CrossFit, Zumba. It's all fucking different. You have to. You have to. You cannot blunt these fitness activities. They all have different goals, different purpose. You know, who's to say that degree is better than yoga? You know, for some people, they need yoga. You know, I do some yoga on the machine. I love yoga, you know, and so, you know, it's not better, it's not worse, it's just different. Like Pilates, for example. A lot of people think everything against Pilates. I don't have a thing about Pilates. I love Pilates. I do also Pilates. I think Pilates is a wonderful method for the spine. I do it on the mega. You've done it too. I've seen it. You did some exercise on the mega. But I don't teach Pilates because to me it's boring and it's just not intense. And I'm an intense guy. I'm not a guy who's going to lead you through, you know, guide you through meditation, okay? I'm a guy who's going to make you sweat and shake and sore the next day. That's who I am. That's what I love. That's what I like for my workout, you know, But I Love Pilates. But what I don't like is when people call Pilates Liguri because there's two are different. For me, that's different as night and day. You wouldn't call the night the day or the day the night. Right. So it's all your name calling, but they're all separate, right? So it depends what you want to do. A lot of people want to want to work out, but they don't know their goals. If you ask them what they want to do, they don't know they want to work out. Most of, the, most of the time when people say they want to work out, they want to lose weight. People want to work out because they won't change. But they don't know that. They don't know that until years later that oh my God, I was really want a transformation. But the transformation is the physic part was just this, the first part. I'm not happy with my life. Ah, now we're getting somewhere. You won't change. You know, a lot of people want to work out because they won't change. But they can't exactly put their fingers what they want to change. I want a tighter butt, I want sexier abs or arms. Okay. All right, well, there's tons of different ways you can achieve that. You don't even need to do legree for this. You could do at home. I could choose some exercise right now that. Lift your butt up, tighten your triceps, make you do some weight, you know. Why do you want to work out? It takes years and some people will never really get to the bottom of it. Why they actually really want to work out. What is it about the workout for me now things have changed. You know, I love to have a physical, a muscular body. You know, I'm 52 and then maybe, maybe in three or four years I'd, you know, if I, if I, if I can make the time, I wouldn't mind competing. I wouldn't mind doing some classic shows and things. I think it might be good for me.

Bodybuilding.

Well, not the bodybuilding you see on stage. You have different classification that one of them is basically the A classic is more like a bikini thing. So you don't have to be super muscular because I honestly cannot do the, the supplement the drugs that it requires to be at that level. But I think it'd be good for me to. It'd be a good challenge, a mental challenge. But the number one reason I really work out is because I was telling you earlier, it keeps my energy at the highest possible level. So for me today, clarity and focus in my mind is the most important sensation, the most important emotion for me because I'm leading this method that is growing like globally. I have a lot of, I have a lot of, I have a lot of opportunities. I saw a lot of threats and when I come in at work I need, I need to be 100% focused. And so everything that I do, the stem cells that I do with you, I do the, the, the hormone replacement program. So the, the, the simmer or whatever the thing is fucking called, you know, and then all the vitamins and all the stuff. Everything that I do is for me to function, to allow my brain to function at the highest, optimum level. Because I need to know exactly where I'm at, where the industry is going, what I'm creating, how it's going to affect, how I need to be 20 steps in front of everyone else. And so that's why I work out today. I could not get this meditating under a tree, eating an apple. Okay. Or reading a book or listening to like, you know, whatever I need to work out. The only time that I get that clarity and focus is after I work out. So for me, I'm doing everything now and, and I've modified degree and I'm changing the method now so that Degree becomes more of a mental, has bring more mental and spiritual benefit. And that's, you know, I'm doing a documentary on that too.

Right.

You know, because I feel like the real benefit of fitness are not the muscle gain and the weight loss. The real benefit of fitness are psychological, intellectual, emotional, social, spiritual, mental, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

How are you planning on accomplishing that? The machine is fantastic.

I had the machine already mapped mind. So I am going to take everybody on a detour because right now the machines that I'm making are more like for that day club vibe. But there's another machine that I'm not going to talk about and I'm going to open that studio and I'm not going to say anything to anyone about anything and I'm just going to open that studio and it's going to be in. That will be the future of fitness. Oh, wow. So right now I'm going to do this new machine I'm going to start to take because I have a lot of copycats. So I'm going and then copycat Listen because I'm going to fuck you over with. So just listen very carefully. The next five years I'm going to introduce a series of machines that's going to make you think I'm going one way, but secretly I'm working on this other machine. And you think I'm kidding. I'm not. I swear to God. Right? Yes. Okay. I swear on my son's head. All right. I'm working on a secret machine that is going to integrate mental health and spirituality. And that workout will be done completely. You have no idea. I'll tell you on the podcast. And it's got nothing to do what I'm doing right now. It was going to be on a very similar bed, but it's a whole different experience. And the market is going to be ready. Five years from now. The next generation of people born will want to get that workout. The generation after that will be completely into it. Yeah. And it's going to be a workout that is going to align you physically, mentally and spiritually. What I want to do with my method, like I told you before, I want to elevate people, but not just on the physical level. I want to elevate people on a mental and spiritual level. I want people to believe in themselves. I want people to develop faith in themselves. You don't need to pray to God, you need to pray to yourself. You know, God wants you to be confident, to accept you and to take care of your, be responsible. Right. And a lot of people don't know how to do this. So I'm going to teach people how to do this through fitness.

Wow.

That's what I want. If we have a world of people who are independent, self thinking people, stop getting the fucking ideas from Facebook and Instagram. The worst, you know, worst possible source of, of, of, of motivation, or maybe not motivation because it's not true, because there's some people that are doing pretty good job. But the worst source of info, if you get your info from life, from social media, you are not living at your optimum level. Right. So I want people to just give up the phone a little bit, spend more time on themselves, get to know themselves, each other, but also develop the skills that is going to allow them to go to that next level. Because, you know, we're fed this, this idea that there's only so much room at the top, right? There's only, only so many people can be successful. That's fucking bullshit. The top is a plateau. Everybody can be successful. There's plenty of room for everyone to, to succeed without stepping on other people's toes and foot or whatever. There's room for everyone to be. There's plenty. There's abundance at the top, okay? There's not scarcity. Scarcity, all right? There's a lot of abundance, and everybody can be successful and everybody can have joy in their life and be happy. You know, that doesn't belong to only a few of people. And unfortunately, you were born in the wrong demographic, so you'll never have access to that. That's bullshit. You can change all of this stuff, but the only way that I can show people how to get there is through fitness. You know, some people do it. The books. I'm a writer, you know, there's other ways. I think, too, you can probably ascend spiritually. For me, I'm ascending through fitness. That's why fitness is the most important, most essential part of my life.

Wow. Very exciting. I can't wait. Was fascinating that you would even think about bringing fitness and spirituality together, because, I don't know. Did you talk to other people in the industry?

Anyone else? When you work out, have you ever experienced bliss? Have you ever had a time when you work out and all of a sudden you just. You want to cry? You want to cry. You feel absolutely so high on life, and you feel connected, and you just. You can see everything. It's so good. It's just so fucking amazing. You're so happy to be in your skin at this moment, and you feel abundance and it's overwhelming, and sometimes you cry. Have you ever felt that when you work out? Or it could be, like, in a workout. It could be a workout. It could be a walk. When you're physically active, not when you're sitting down. You're physically active. And all of a sudden all these ideas are coming to you, and you feel. You feel connected to the source.

Yeah, well, definitely, like. Like hiking in the mountains.

Okay.

I just find myself smiling. Like, I don't know why I'm smiling. I just, like. It's incredible.

That's it.

Yeah.

So there is this phenomenon happening, heart and the brain, that I'm trying to study. There's a connection, right? And so for me, I felt bliss. Many times, working out, I felt bliss. And I'm feeling it more and more now, and I'm starting to understand a little bit more about what kind of activities I can find. But it's the time. It's just amazing because you see yourself in such a positive light, you motivating yourself. You're really becoming like your own cheering crowd, you know? And it's so essential because you need this. I mean, I need that because I'm doing so many things that no one has done. Before. So, you know, I need that confidence, you know, because if I don't have that, a lot of these ideas, I'm never going to make them. I need to have just balls of steels to do this shit and then that no one else has ever done. And even if people, you know, are going to ridicule me, I'm still going to go ahead with it. It takes a lot of strength, a lot of inner strength to do this. And that only happens to me when I work out, you know, So I want to find that formula to bring this in every workout for everyone.

Well, you have incredible courage, first of all. You have a very open mind. You, you're, you're enthusiastic and kind of in awe, you know, looking at the world and all the wonders of the world. That's why you travel to some really exotic places and do some crazy stuff.

I love to travel to exotic place and meet exotic people and do exotic things and crazy.

Like, what was the thing, though, with whales that you were.

I love being on the water with big animals, like predators. It could be sharks, it could be orcas. You know, the one I did with the anaconda, for example, you know, love being in the water. Water is where I'm, I'm, I'm a water sign, I guess. You know, I've. I love being, I love swimming, I love being in the water, but being with these majestic animals is absolutely crazy. I did several, well, things I did. I did the humpbacks. Where was the fungi? The humpback was in Rurutu in French Polynesia. That was, that was pretty cool. I did the southern right whales. This was last year in Argentina. This is amazing. I mean, you're like, you could touch. This is 40 ton, you know, Wells. My favorite was the sperm whales. Those sperm whales in the Dominica, you know, sperm. I swam literally within three sperm whales and I could just reach out my arms and I could touch the sperm whales right here. And I swam with them for a good 10 minutes, and they let me be in between them and the calf that was under the two mothers, he had moments like that. I had this calf. I swam with this sperm whale for 45 minutes with my friend and I, Rob. And the sperm whales were like dancing with us. It was amazing. Yeah.

Wow.

And so it was, it was great. And then orcas. I've done a lot of trip with the orcas. I'm going back next year to do the orcas. I can't believe people are afraid of orgasm. He's just like, orgasms are Magnificence, you know.

Yeah. The reason I mentioned that is because, first of all, it takes courage to go into these places, going to the deep water and, you know, facing these majestic animals, but it's not, it's not an easy thing to do for me.

I don't, I don't, I don't feel the danger. You know, even when I get in the water with an anaconda, you know, I, I'm, I'm so in awe of these animals that I just really don't even see any fucking danger. And I've never had any bad situation, and I've enough. And I've dealt with over almost 70 different species of sharks now.

Wow.

Yeah, I've done a lot of shark dives. You know, I love the sharks. I love the sharks because the shark, they're easy to see because you bait them. The whales, you got to be lucky. You can't. You can whistle and the whale comes to you, and then that's it, you have your encounter. It doesn't work that way. But the sharks are so dumb, you know, that you literally have the, And I see it in a, In a very friendly way. Sharks are super smart, actually, but they're very easy to attract. You know, you put whatever you bait in the water and then within minutes, boop, they're right there, and then you can have your encounter and it's almost guaranteed.

I see.

But the whales is not like that. I, you know, for those of you who had chance to swim for blue, well, you guys are very lucky because I've been, I've been on several blue well trips and never saw one. They're, they're elusive. So if you, if, if you had a chance, you know, and you had a blue whale encounter, you guys are lucky. Sons of. Yeah, that's next on my list. I want to do that.

So all this is coming together, right? That you going to exotic places, being in kind of one with these gigantic, magnificent animals and that you bring that back with you.

Oh, absolutely.

When you're, you know, trying to revolutionize.

Yeah, absolutely.

Industry.

Yeah. Because, you know, I, I, you know, I, I feel that people, if once, you know, once humanity reach a certain amount of consciousness, a certain level of consciousness, we're going to completely go back on the way we treat animals, you know, and I think we're going to have a lot more respect. We need to care of this animal. I can't believe that. What. How many species have we killed off since. In the last 100 years? Is it 50, 60, 70%? Of the species are dead because of us. It's. It's appalling. And it doesn't have to be that way because it's room for everyone, you know, and then especially, you know, when I see how, you know, how we overfish the ocean, and then you go to restaurants, and then all this waste on the. Sitting on the table is disgusting, you know, so, you know, so I. I hope that we can change, you know, and think of others beside ourselves and then start to be aware of our impact on this planet, you know, so. Yeah, so in that sense, you know, that, that, that, that kind of helps me to force this. This. This. This desire to create a method to change the work from within, you know, change. People are not going to change unless they want to change for themselves. So the only way change can happen is from within.

Yeah. So when. When you talk with people about fitness, I mean, Pilates is an incredible tool. I mean, Pilates, they agree.

Well, Pilates too, you know, I mean, it's just fine, you know?

Yes.

And then again, I have you. You know, I love Pilates, right. So I don't have anything bad about. Yeah, so that. But don't call my workout Pilates.

So how would you advise people on their approach to fitness? Someone said, I want to get really fit, I want to look good, and my body function optimally, and this is good for my longevity. Like, if that's the goal, what's your advice?

Well, first of all, I advise people to start young, okay? Fitness is really something you should be doing, you know, since the day you're born, until the day you die. But, you know, when you want to start a fitness regimen, you got to ease into it. You know, people are going to watch. You know, people, let's say, are they. You know, they're. They're, you know, they're getting weight, and all of a sudden they watch the movie Rocky. It's like, ah. And they get all pumped up. You know, it's like, that's it. Two more. I'm gonna go for a run. And then they do go for the run the next day. And then they get super sore, but they keep running and running and then not listening to their bodies. And after two weeks, they stop because they're like, oh, my God, this is like, I'm sore all the time. And then that was it. That is the wrong way to start the fitness regimen. You want to ease into it. You want to start slowly. Okay, first of all, okay, don't start fitness regimen when in your vacation. That Is unrealistic. Okay? If you have a busy life, this is the perfect time to do fitness because you're gonna have to make the time, but you don't need a lot of time, you know, and fitness is a two way street, right? Because you have the actual workout and then you have what you eat. All right? If you don't eat all that that you're putting in your body, guess what, you don't have to burn it off. All right? So you know, so you know, if your goal is to lose weight, probably before you start working out, you should already make changes to what you eat. Because otherwise you're never going to out train a bad diet. You're always going to get like a fat fucking pig. Look at me, okay, look at this right over here. Because daddy eats whatever the fuck he wants, okay? I have a huge sweet tooth. I'm working on it, by the way right now because when I shoot my videos, I see that little bulge now and it's like, oh shit, I got, I got to start working on it.

Plate. That one time I went to your, your warehouse, you know, and then you had your, whoever prepared or you ordered a plate of food and I was not approving of it.

I know, yes, well, I'm changing that now. So now I'm actually eating better. I'm doing my cardio, but also know that.

What kind of cardio are you doing?

I have a machine, so I've transformed a pre core and I've added more elements to the pre course so I can do a full body workout on the pre core. And so so I have spraying system all the way around it. So I basically work out and do the pre core at the same time. So in 30 minutes I am sweating like a crazy. And so I'm starting to, I'm doing that every day now, you know, and I do my weightlifting in the morning, but my weightlifting is very different because like you saw my place, I don't have traditional weight machine. I tweak everything that I have. Every piece of machinery I have at my gym is being modified, altered or completely changed to incorporate new ideas and new training philosophies. And it's because I want to get better, bigger, but not at the expense of my body, right? So if I want to get more muscular, but I don't want that to affect my mobility, my posture, my youth, my longevity, anything like this, all right? If I put more muscle on my body, it's got to at the same time keep adding more energy and it's got to be it's going to be done the right way, Okay? I don't want to get big. It's got to be getting big. You know, moving, being flexible, all that, you know, be mobile is very important. But what I was going to say for people, you know, to find an activities that, first of all, that it can get to in less than 10 minutes. Because if you want to work out, but now the gym is 30 minutes away from you, you're not even going to go there, you're never going to start, okay? So if you're going to do cardio to work out, okay? So first of all, like I'm saying, change your diet. Make sure that you have control over the diet because there's no point of wanting to lose weight by just doing exercise itself. Stop it, you're gonna lose, okay, Forget about it. You need to first change your diet and you need to stop gaining weight. Once you stop gaining weight, and maybe now you start to take weight off just from diet, then you can start working out. And then the way you're going to work out, you're not going to work out every day for an hour because that's not sustainable. You're going to do 30 minutes here, 30 minutes there, maybe do workout at home, do something that you can do easily and effortlessly. Fitness has to be effortless. If it takes time, money, energy to get to the. You're not going to state, be honest with yourself, you're not going to fucking do it. You never, let's say you're 40 years old, you've never worked out in your life. You're not going to drive 40 minutes to go to the gym, pay the expensive membership. You're not going to do it. You're going to do it the first time and you're not going to go back. Be realistic, first of all, to lose weight, to have a great body, you don't need to go to the gym, you don't need to do my method, you don't need to do anything. You can do some workouts, you know, at home. So you have to find something that you love doing. For me, I love bodybuilding. I fucking love it. I love it. I can tell you, for me, it's easy to work out every day. I work out for an hour and a half. I absolutely enjoy this. You have no idea. I love lifting the dumb weight. I love it. I love doing biceps and back and shoulders and then do my forearms and my obliques and my lower back and my real delts and my traps. I love working all these muscles I've always enjoyed. So for me, I know that even on this might be a year or two, and I was not so good on my diet. I'm okay because I'm still working out. Okay. That is very important. So now I want to lose some weight. All right. I'm going to add a couple of cardio. In three months, this right here is going to be gone. I fucking tell you it's going to be gone. You'd be gone, right? You could be gone, right? Be gone, please. All right. Right. But. So you have to find something that is manageable, something that is enjoyable. Bring a friend. I've always believed in the buddy system. You know, bring a friend. It's. It's the same, the same tips that I gave 20, 30 years ago. It still applies today. You know, go for Fran. You know, you know, the. And then. But the, the diet part of it is, I think is a very important component of that. You know, let's see a lot of people just eating, just feeding the body the absolute worst fuel. And so your body's not going to perform, you know.

Yeah.

So. So eating is. Is important, but also just, you know, picking an activities that, you know, enjoy doing. You know, if, you know, if, if you love swimming, but you live in the mountain. Sorry guys. Unless you have a pool or somewhere, pick something else, you know. So you have to be realistic as well.

Yeah. So when it comes to legree, what is the ideal frequency that a person should work out?

So Luigree is a muscular endurance workout. So it means it's like running. The more you do agree, the more you can do it. So the. And then a lot of people who do agree don't do it only for the physical benefit. A lot of people do it for the mental benefit. A lot of people tell me that's, that's the best workout for them to really stress. I've had a lot of cancer, cancer, cancer patient who do agree to help them the chemo because they say that the shaking is actually helping them to release the toxicity from the chemo. Yeah, that's something. I want to spend a bit more time on that. So people are going to agree for different reasons. I remember I had this one attorney in Texas one day, one time, she texted me, like, Sebastian. I took five classes in a row because she had like a trial coming up and she was so stressed out. She did five hours of Legree.

Wow.

Yeah. So degrees, degrees of muscular endurance workout. It's up to you, you know, to me, what matters is the beginning. The first Six weeks, you are conditioning your body to this new method. Don't push it the first six weeks, maybe eight weeks you do degree maybe do it two or three times a week. Wait for the initial soreness to, to go. Give yourself plenty of rest, especially for going to connective tissues, because you're going to work a lot on the connective tissues when you do this, this workout. And give your body time to acclimate to this new method. After six, eight weeks into it, then you can start to go more often. You can start to push and then don't worry, you'll get, you know, the result very quickly after that.

Yeah, I remember the first time I did lagree, I got nauseous. I've never gotten nauseous from any workouts before. Yeah, it's surprising how it's intense, you know.

I get nauseous from my workout, you know. Absolutely. Yeah. It's just like, you know, I like to push, you know.

Yeah. At one point I was doing it every day. Do you think it's like, unnecessary three days a week? Is that going to achieve the same results as every day?

I work out every day, you know, I work out every day. Sometime I, you know, that's why I go on those trips sometimes. That's why I like to go diving because I'm like, okay, I've been working out for eight weeks now. I need a week off, so I'll go dive somewhere. So diving is extremely therapeutic for both the body, but also the mind. Right. Because, you know, when you go dive in cold water, first of all you do like cryo, you know, and then, and then you're doing also hyperbaric treatments. You have your, you do your oxygen therapy and cryo both into one basically session. And not only that, but you see beautiful. You, you see a whole different world out there under the surface.

Do they have research on diving, what it does as far as health?

No, but, but it has the same effect as the hyperbaric chamber because the pressure is going to liquefy the oxygen and it makes the oxygen penetrates your cells.

Really? Yeah. They've proved that. Proven.

Oh, yeah, yeah. But that's how the, the hyperbaric chamber works. You know, when I go to Utah, I'm going to buy this epibermic chamber and I'm going to do that because it's. I, I really feel that oxygen therapy is, is a good treatment. But I do O3 with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that.

Wow.

Yeah.

So, okay, so you think, but what do you think doing it Every day is going to give you more results than doing it three times a week.

It depends how well you do it. If you, let's say push yourself and you use the rule of progressive overloading, that means that every single time you do the workout, you're going to do the workout, you're going to move slower, you're going to work on the better body alignments, you're going to increase the range of motion, you are going to progress the intensity. Then I would say don't do it every day. Give yourself a couple days of rest because you work the sotus muscle fibers, the Sotosh muscle fibers recover very quickly. But you also work the connective tissues and get a connected tissue takes a longer time to, to recover. So then you can do maybe three times a week. But honestly, you know, I'm going to talk against myself over here, but I like to mix the stuff. You know, I would do, I would do legree, I would combine it. If you have some extra time, do a couple sessions of Pilates. You know, they actually, that combination might work really well. Yeah, you could do also yoga. Yoga, Pilates. Degree work out really well. You know, for me, I can't tell you to do degree every day. When I don't do degree every day. Get on the mega. Former. I do a bunch of exercise. I'm always doing exercise on new prototypes, right. Every day I try new things, which I love to do. I love to invent new ways of moving. This is like literally the tip of the iceberg for me. The, the, the, the, the cherry on top of the cake, right. But I just combine other things. I think it's great, you know, other modalities of, of, of training. But if you love degree and you only want to do that, I would say then use the rule of progressive overloading. Progressive overloading will be integrated in the machine in the future. In the next couple of years you'll start seeing machines that are more electronics that are more. Basically they have intelligence, you know, and they'll, the machines will start to work with you and in helping you to push the intensity or progressing. Intensity.

Yeah, yeah. So for. How did you even get so interested in fitness in the first place?

Oh my God. I think I told you this, right? I met a girl because what happened is I was always, I was always active when I was a kid. And then when I turned 11, I remember went to my friend's house and he just got this console, this game console called Intellivision. And I do this video game called. I think it was Like Knight Rider or Night Stalker or whatever the fuck that was. And oh my God, next week I had the same console in my living room and I was playing and I was hooked. And I was playing the hours a day. And then from 11 to 12 to 13, I started to become really heavy, really fat. And I was probably the only fat guy in France in. At that age, which was probably in the early 1980s, because everybody smoked in France at the time. In the 1980s. Everyone my age would smoke. All the. 11, 12, 13, they all smoke. I was the only fat around because I was the only one not smoking. But I was eating ice cream and whatever. I was living life, right, playing my video games. And I remember I went to. I met this girl when I was 13 years old, Elodie, and beautiful French girl, you know, tall, you know, very pale skin, green eyes, but just the face of an angel. And that was my first French kiss, you know. And then I lost my virginity to her. And I gotta tell you that all it took after that, I want to look like a Greek God for her. And the motivation came to me then I would. Because I went to the gym when I was 11 because I want to start to gain weight. My mom got really, really scared. My dad got so embarrassed. So my. My parents used two different strategies. My mom tried to take me to the gym and try to motivate me, and then my dad would pay me to lose weight. Neither strategies worked right. I did the weight training for a little bit and I stopped going to the gym. And then with my dad, what I did is I would lose the weight because it would run with him, okay. My dad would take me, you know, running with him, and I say for every kilo that I lost, we get a certain amount of francs or, you know, dollars. And. And then after, if I reach certain milestone, I get these big bonuses. Well, I reach all those milestones. I think I ended up making like 2000 francs, which was like a lot of fucking money in the early 1980s, you know. And so about more video games, you know. And then so I stopped running with my dad, you know, and my guy got so discouraged, you know, and my mom, same thing. And then I met Elodie and then motivation. And that's what I was telling you earlier, that motivation comes from within. You cannot motivate people to behave a certain way. They have to find it for themselves. And so I started to work out on my own. Lost all, all the weight in six months. Never had to diet, you know, I just started to work out but then I was 13, I was 14 years old when I started to work out. And my hormones were working for me, Right. You know, and then within six months, I started to work out. I think was July. And then by December, lost all the fucking weight. The next year I went back, you know, to that same place. I had fucking abs. I was like the, I had the best body on the beach. I was like shoulders and peculiar. And people stopped calling me by my nickname, too. That was a huge thing. My nickname is Baba because in my early years in France, I used to eat this dessert called Baba rum. And it's a donut soaked in rum.

Whoa.

It's delicious. Okay. If you have a chance in France, eat that baba rum. So people call me Baba because I was eating that dessert and I look like a fucking donut. And so, and so I, I, I went back that following year when I was 15, and people call me Sebastian. It was, it was remarkable. Wow. And then only that. But I was getting the attention of everyone. So then that attention took the interest in working out, even to a higher level. Thank God that In the early 1980s there was no social media because I would have been this very obnoxious dude posing himself all the time. You know, the abs and the chest and the biceps, and that would have been me. You know, I had no desire today of doing this. Right. I feel bad for those people now, but, yeah, that's, that's what it took, you know, so you have to find your lod, you know, in a sense. Right, right. You have to find that motivation for yourself.

It's true. Yeah. Find that spark. Yeah. Well, Sebastian, this has been amazing. What a cool journey.

Joy, it's always a pleasure to hang out with you. I love her, by the way. Joy is this. She's always got new therapies, new things. You are also an inventor in your own ways. You always try new therapies. You're always calling me about these new things you have. So I'm very excited every single time, you know?

Yeah. Well, that brings to the point that you actually utilize some cutting edge tools to enhance your physical fitness.

Absolutely. I. Stem cells therapy, doing the nads, doing the, the exosome, the O3 therapy. All of this is, is actually, I want to do that more now because I'm, I feel that I'm just, I'm getting so much out of this. And I've. At 52, I've never felt better. I feel like I'm really at the highest, I don't think I could function at A higher level right now.

Wow.

It's fucking amazing. I have the energy, you know, I sleep good. I mean, every, every, every function in my body feels like it's vibrating at the highest possible frequency. And it's amazing. And I'm attracting everything at that level, too.

Oh, wow.

You know, so it's just like. Yeah, I feel like everything is coming now because it's of. I'm working on myself, and that's the most important thing. You know, I, I, I, I tell people that your days should start at the gym, you know, but you, you really have to take care of yourself, and everything else is going to take care of you. You just take care of yourself. Everything will come to you. You don't have to chase a thing. You take care of yourself, everything will come to you.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah. And, and you're doing stem cells, so you were talking about, you know, wanting to amplify it. But as we age, you know, a good analogy is that aging is like a roll of toilet paper.

Yeah.

And the older you are, the faster. Right. The more you use it, the faster it goes. So I think when we're younger, probably we don't need to have it as frequent, but the older we are. Yeah.

So, yeah, I love the, I love the frequency. I love the, the program I'm on right now. Yeah.

Yeah. It's amazing, always amazing to have you at our clinic. You're just.

Well, thank you.

Everybody loves you.

Well, and I love everyone. And I love you, too.

All right, Sebastian, so where can people find you? Follow you?

Oh, you can find me. So on the Internet, you go to Lagree Fitness.com Lagree spelled L, a G R E E Fitness.com. and otherwise you can find me on Instagram Lry Fitness, or you can follow me at Sebastian Lry. It's, yeah, yeah. I think you, if you want to look, if you want to find me, you'll find me.

Yeah, you get, you get covered in a lot of magazines, right?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. We get a lot of, a lot of press. It's funny because you, we've been covered by the press for 27 years, and every single time talk about this new trend, this new workout. I'm like, guys, we've been around for 27 years, okay? And we always get the same kind of article. It's like, oh, it's all new things. Just like, no, it's been around for 27 years. It's been evolving too, but it's been around for a while.

Yeah. Amazing. I, I, I, I look forward to keep following you. Your inventions and inspirations.

Thank you. Well, you'll know, because I'll. I'll brag about it to you.

Please do. Wonderful. Thank you, Sebastian.

Thank you.