Stem Cell Therapy: The Cost, the Results, and What Modern Medicine Misses | #188

These cells contain the information that can make us whole. Because of that kind of power, it can make us new again, regenerate our organs and, and, and all the cells that were not working well. I'm already using it for anti-aging purposes. There's evidence that in animals they can extend lifespan by about 30%, and not only just extending lifespan, they actually found that the cells, from every measure you look at, were reverted to the younger state. So the animals are of younger age. We don't treat diseases. We treat patients. I've seen it do incredible things.

Exercise, sleep, nutrition, don't smoke, don't drink. Can we really not do anything better than that? With me today is Dr. Joy Kong, a triple board-certified stem cell physician My first question to you is, did we finally invent something that's on par with these lifestyle interventions? Is stem cell therapy on the same level?

Well, lifestyle is extremely important. I never want to diminish that. That's part of the foundation of my wellness and my patients' wellness. But stem cells is kind of a fitting into a puzzle that we didn't have a piece for, for our entire human existence. Because we didn't really understand very much about cells. You know, we know we have organs, but as far as individual cells and what they're doing, and it's really fairly new. And, of course, we didn't know anything about stem cells, that we have these early powerful original cells with full spectrum of capabilities. And they can become anything in the body. They have this ability to differentiate and form new cells. So we didn't know anything about them until the '60s. So all this is quite new. But what it does is that it's showing us that now we have the tools to give the body what was missing, what started to miss as we get sick and as we get older. Because these cells contain the information that can make us whole, just like how it can make us a whole new human from one single cell. Because of that kind of power, it can make us new again, regenerate our organs and all the cells that were not working well.

So yesterday, I went real deep into the details of stem cells and even what the cell is with, with Utah Lee, who is another stem cell therapist. But what I forgot is actually ask him what, what is it good for, you know, what are the extra things that we can expect if we do something.

So in the US is that we have to to be extraordinarily careful about what we say about diseases as far as conditions, because we cannot make any claims that a certain therapy can help with a condition if the FDA has not approved that therapy for that condition.

So there is this, this problem with asking experts to justify themselves. The reason we normies seek out the expertise the opinions of experts is because we want to know what they feel. And if they have to, if we force them to justify and simplify, then they have to simplify the things that they know. And by simplifying the things, they actually lose their expertise by definition. What do you see? Because I know you have to tread carefully here.

Yeah, we don't treat— diseases. We treat patients, right? And the patients happen to have some kind of condition. So, I can talk about how the patients did, right? People can have anything. So, we treat patients with all kinds of conditions, actually extraordinarily wide range of conditions from the head to the toe. So, we treat patients with, first of all, systemic conditions, a lot of autoimmune diseases, inflammatory type of conditions. And then we treat people with musculoskeletal issues, any joints and muscles and tendons in the body. And we treat patients with brain diseases, traumatic brain injury, Alzheimer's, with stroke victims or MS and ALS and Parkinson's or autism, which is a systemic disease and has a brain component to it. And we help patients with just about any internal organ issues. So, we have helped patients with heart problems, history of heart attack or atherosclerosis, or people with thyroid issues, with lung problems, COPD, lung chemical injuries, and people with, you know, kidney diseases, with with liver problems, with testicle issues, and even have helped people to enhance, apparently enhance the fertility. So, really, we have— we've gone just about into every organs.

They do the same protocols, very similar protocol?

No, no. That's the art of medicine, right? So, but a lot of times, it's rather similar. But, we do have different organs. We may have different approaches. We may want to put the cells right into certain organs to enhance the number of the cells in that organ. And, that will either require direct injection or certain methods to attract the cells to certain areas, like what we do in our clinic using laser to attract cells. You can use other things. To agitate a particular area. Like shockwave therapy is one method that a lot of people are trying to kind of activate the tissue. So that will attract more cells in that area. It's the microtrauma that releases signals that will grab the cells into that area. Or for the brain, we may want to open up the blood-brain barrier. And we can use chemicals like mannitol to change the osmotic pressure in the cells, around the cells, and that will allow the gap junction to open to allow more fluid to get— go in and out of the brain. So, and then there are other methods of getting into different organs. Sometimes direct injection of the cells into an organ may be too invasive, and maybe it's more elegant to just give the cells into the vein and then to attract the cells into that area. So it's a little different when it comes to different organs. But the beauty of stem cell therapy is that the cells are attracted to inflammation and injury. So they will, a lot of times, find their way to where the problem is. So that's the, that's the elegance of the therapy.

I see. I see. So you can imagine a future, or perhaps it is a present for you, where you do stem cell therapy like you do exercise. Every week you inject some stem cells and that's your protocol. And it is not for a specific condition. It is for making you function better.

Prophylactic, just like taking antibiotics before you get surgery, when you think you might catch something, or when you have caught something, when you get sick, when you get injured, you can get some stem cells. Yes, I'm already using it for anti-aging purposes. So are a lot of patients who come to our clinic. So that, um, does allow this ongoing repair and rejuvenation to prevent decline and deterioration. So yeah, we can definitely, I think one day, depending on, you know, where the science is going, 'cause there are a lot of exciting things going on with the arrival of AI and with just the new, that really speeds up the pace of science. I think, you know, who knows, who knows what we're gonna find with these cells. But even just right now with the cells we have, which most— the most commonly used cells are mesenchymal stem cells. So even just with these, what I use is from the umbilical cord. Of course, I also use other cell types that are also stem cells from the umbilical cord blood. So I use a combination of cells which will give me broader range of potentials as far as what they can do. But even just with these cells, we can— there's evidence that in animals, they can extend lifespan by about 30%. And not only just extending lifespan, they don't keep old animals just live longer. They make the old animals look like younger animals. So, and then when they dissect their bodies, their muscles and their brain, they actually found that the cells, from every measure you look at, whether or not it's the amount of growth factors they can secrete, or the amount of toxic waste they accumulate, or the neurotransmitters they secrete, the senescent markers, everything you look at, these levels were reverted to the younger state. So, really, the animals have cells that are of younger age. So, the animals are of younger age. And we are at the point in history where we humans can benefit from that, that we can greatly stall the aging process and allow our lifespan to be extended, I believe 30% is no big deal.

Speaking of animals looking younger.

Yeah, it's, it's not going to come out well, but they were looking at mice. They were like shiny fur, even fur, straighter spine, and better locomotion and better mental capabilities. Yes. They are younger.

Do you remember when we met in, in person and I mentioned how—

In India, yeah.

How excellent your, how pristine your skin is, especially your, your neck. That's—

My neck? Okay. It's interesting. Is that what you're looking for? When you try to figure out people's age, you look at their neck?

Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's something that tells, tells a lot, a lot of story. And yesterday I interviewed Joy Kong, who is another stem cell therapist, and he's, he's looking just as great as you do. Right. And he's a man.

So yeah, every person actually, I've only known, I think, two other men who have done regular stem cells as me for almost 10 years, like at least twice a year, and they all look at least 10 years younger than their age. Yeah, they all look fabulous.

Yeah. And, and this is like, this is crazy. Like, I have never seen such a, such a stark contrast of how people look. I don't know if it's localized to, to the skin. Like, you have like a super huge benefit to the skin.

I believe the skin is the window to your internal organs.

Could be.

Okay, so one of the organs, it's— it gets affected by stem cells, gets rejuvenated, and so is every other organ, as we've seen from studies, how it repairs the, the organs with diseases and making them new and healthy again. So yeah, they get everywhere and helps with rejuvenation.

But I could also think about people like Hollywood stars who who are healthy, but their skin is much better than, than how healthy they are.

Oh yeah. I mean, you can do extra things for your skin or you can do surgeries.

I wanted to ask you that, what's the difference between your approach to stem cell therapy and Utah's? So what he's doing is, I mentioned this before the show, but he's when pregnancy goes wrong, he's, he's taking stem cells from there.

Ectopic pregnancies. Yeah. So that will be a much younger, depending what time they retrieve. Did he tell you at what gestation age usually that they retrieve it?

Oh, I think he was talking about some weeks, like 4 weeks, 6 weeks. Does that make sense?

So that's very, very young.

Yeah. So very, very expensive, like $10,000 a week, right? Weekly injection. That would be a current price. Yeah.

I see. Yeah. That's interesting. Weekly injection, huh? So of course, ectopic pregnancy, it's— you're getting much smaller amount of cells, but these cells put potentially are younger than what I'm using. Because what I'm using is from the umbilical cord. And this is like the, the most controversy-free source of cells, right? We don't harm any babies. So, there's no such thing as, you know, coming from any abortion because that's not where the source is. I mean, you could, but that's not what we use in the US. These umbilical cords are from babies who are born live and healthy, and the cord is cut and usually, you know, thrown away with the placenta into the trash. But now we can get cells out of it. What happens with the umbilical cord is that when the baby is forming, the cord actually traps all these cells that were younger in their state, in their differentiate— stage of differentiation. So these cells have surface markers that are no longer existent in the baby's stem cells. So, we all think the baby's fresh and brand new. Well, the baby is older than the cells that in the umbilical cord. So, it's a nice intermediary between the embryonic stem cell, which was just day 5 to 7 of— after fertilization. So, these are, you know, in between. That and the new baby. So the ectopic pregnancy, that will be even younger. I haven't seen much studies on these particular cells as far as their safety. I know embryonic stem cells, there are problems because of how potent they are. Also because they were so early that they haven't withstood the test of time. When we have a fresh newborn baby that's alive and healthy, if the baby's not healthy, we're not going to accept the court, period. We only accept from healthy life births who come from healthy life parents with a healthy lifestyle and no history of infections. We're talking the test of the formation of the baby. So we know these cells are connected to a human being that's fully formed, that is good to go, right? Because a lot of pregnancies don't result in live births because they just don't make it. Because they don't— something's wrong with the chromosomes and DNA and, you know, their metabolism, you know, the different pathways. They just said they can't form a viable baby. So, when a full baby is formed, then you know that these cells don't have any abnormal genetic conditions. But, if you haven't withstood the test of time and the formation of a baby as a demonstration that everything is going right, then there's a risk. So, I don't know how he reduces that risk. Yeah. So, that's something I need to hear more from people who are doing that.

So, it just occurs to me that—

The embryonic stem cells. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Embryonic stem cells has very high risk of forming teratoma, which is uncontrolled growth. Of cells forming tumor. So one of the reasons is because the cells are so wild and they can go fully awry and become anything. And so that, we still have trouble controlling that. But if you use cells from the umbilical cord, there's no such problem. So they don't have that wild potential anymore. So I don't know where these ectopic pregnancy embryos where they fall on the risk of forming teratoma.

Yeah, it would be a good question for him. Anyhow, what, what really piqued my interest is that, okay, so you take the umbilical cord, but how do you mesh that into something that you can actually inject into yourself?

You can free the cells.

So what's going on there?

There are a lot of cells that are trapped in the matrix of the tissue. So you can't free them. So these cells are— we still don't fully understand why we have all these amazing cells in the umbilical cord and the placenta, right? So if you only think of placenta as an organ of, um, of delivery of nutrients and removal of waste, which is what medicine textbooks told us. And why would these organs have such vast number of potent cells that can send all these powerful signals if the umbilical cord is purely an organ to cushion and protect? Because that's what they told us, and that's what FDA still insists, that these, these umbilical cords is to cushion and protect. So if it does anything else, then they don't believe it. So So, if you're trying to use these cells for other purposes, then they say that's beyond the original purpose of the cells. So, how do they know why they're there? So, that shows arrogance that they believe they know why the cells are there. Well, why do we need cells to be there to cushion and protect, right? You just need collagenous matrix. So, there's a lot of mystery on why we have these powerful cells trapped in these tissue. Hello, my loyal listeners. I want to interrupt this podcast for just a second because I want to let you know that if you're looking to help solve a major health issue, or you're looking for health optimization and just for longevity purposes, you can find us at Chara Health. We are considered the leader in the regenerative medicine and longevity space, and we utilize modalities like stem cell therapy, peptide therapy, plasmapheresis, ozone treatments, laser therapy, all to create a beautiful symphony to get you to where you want to be. You can find us at www.chara-health.com. That's C-H-A-R-A.

Yeah. What did we do with this before, you know, civilization? Get a stone and cut it like that?

You toss them away. But I think in Africa—

But how did we cut it?

Eventually will fall off. I've heard of Africans using the amniotic membrane or just the placenta to put on wounds. So, they know that these organs have the ability to heal. And, of course, the Chinese have been eating placenta. I remember my mom cooked one. But, of course, you would have cooked away all these elements that were alive. But still, there were other things that probably different peptides that survived cooking that could be very beneficial. So, yeah, people have thought that there's something very powerful in these organs.

So another thing, it just came to my YouTube feed yesterday. There was a guy who was talking about why do Why do celebrities get sepsis? And then he brought up someone like Jordan Peterson, Mark Hyman. But I think what he was trying to get at is that Dr. Adeyakan is the reason, his stem cell therapy is the reason why people get sepsis. Do you even know what I'm talking about?

There are other reasons. Of course, one common issue will be non-sterile technique. Then people can get sepsis. But it could also be contaminated product. So we know, you've heard about the, the Livion scandal where a lot of people were hospitalized and because of— Yeah, sepsis. So this is back in 2015, somewhere around there, '15, '16. So they were the biggest stem cell company at the time from using cells from the umbilical board. And then all these people got sick from contaminated tissue, contaminated with E. coli, because that was not tested, properly tested. And I think there was a falsification of documents that they claimed to have sent for sterility testing, but it was not. So the tissue were not sterile. So I don't know. Yeah, exactly how, um, I mean, there's only, only a couple of reasons that sepsis can happen.

Yeah. So, so, well, it all comes down to quality control, not to—

Absolutely.

Yeah. Not to some fundamental flaw in stem cell therapies.

It's not the fault of the cells. It's the fault of processing and treatment. Yeah. Treatment process.

So let's pick up on the, on the recreational aspect of stem cell therapies. Let's say I want to start doing this indefinitely as a general, general protocol in my life next to lifestyle interventions. Right. That's something that you have to do forever as well. So how often would I do what and how much money would it take and where would I have to live? Right.

And depending on where you go, of course, the range of stem cell treatments—

to you, of course.

To me. Okay. So we are kind of, I think, in the middle and maybe on the lower side of the cost because I know overseas can easily go to $25,000 or even to $50,000. So at our clinic, depending on your body weight, your age, and your health issues, there's a range of how much product is needed, and that would determine how much the cost is because the product is expensive. So we, if we're just looking at IV treatments, we start at $8,500 and go all the way if you need a lot of products and you're going to inject into all kinds of places. So that could go—

$8,500. Per IV treatment.

Yeah. So just for— if just IV can go up to $18,000, and then if you add different injections, if you want intranasal exosomes to target your brain, if you want to inject into your joints, if you want to do a facial rejuvenation, hair restoration, you want to better sexual functions, we can inject into the penis, vagina. I mean, everything. Then the more you do, then the more it adds up. So But just basic IV treatment, generally from $8,500 to $18,000 at our clinic.

Oh, friend.

I do it every 3 months, but we have another patient that does it every 2 months. Because we are biohackers, we want to be preemptive. But some people do it every 6 months or 4 months. Even if you do it once a year, it's better than not doing it at all. So, and this is really in the realm of preventative. You can always do it for treatment purposes, right? You're doing it to help you recover from any particular condition. And that is a different protocol. If you're dealing with something that's really impacting your life and you wanna solve that problem, we usually recommend 3 sessions within every 1 to 2 months. But for some people, just one session pretty much solves the problem. But for some people, it may take 3 or even 4. If you don't do everything right to correct why you got sick in the first place, then your condition may come back, right? Because the same— it's like a train going one way and you don't do anything to try to stop the train. So you do stem cells, you're like holding the train back a little bit. So the stem cells doing its work. But the same force is pushing the train going in that direction. So if you don't have anything, you didn't correct anything that was powering the train, then the train is going to keep going. So then you may exacerbate, get a little worse, and then you try to stop the train again by stem cells. There are some people in research, I've seen that in the clinic, we do one treatment, the patient is trying to do everything right and, and, um, Um, I mean, they could do well for 10, 15 years.

Are you familiar with tren?

With what?

Tren, the be-all end-all body recomposition drug.

Hmm, no, I'm not. What, what, uh, explain that to me.

Yeah, when you look at a bodybuilder who's achieving a Mr. Olympia level of fame, they are definitely on it. Right? That's, uh, that's what Tren is. Really no human studies that we can make any conclusion from yet. So many people are using it. So somehow we, we have a good idea of what it does, uh, and it does a lot of great and a lot of very nasty things, of course. But, but there are no studies, like it's, it's somewhat cutting edge. Then my question to you is that What, what does stem cell therapy do? And I don't care about the studies because the studies are not there. Science didn't catch up. So what's your expert—

well, I've seen it do incredible things. I have one of my earliest patients was somebody that was dying from cirrhosis, literally in hospice care with, who knows, 1 to 2 months to be alive and with huge ascites. So that's swelling the abdomen. And we did one treatment, actually at a fairly low dose. He didn't come back. And I didn't know what happened to him until a couple months later that his brother was on a radio show with me. And that's when I asked him, how's your brother doing? Because he was so weak, he barely could speak. But what happened was on the way drive back from Los Angeles to Sacramento, that's about 4 or 5 hours drive. In the middle of the drive, the swelling was halfway down. And within a few weeks, he was walking around in the yard, big gait, loud voice, talking on the phone like he's some normal person. And then within months, a few months, his liver function was normal. I was so shocked. All I could say on the radio was, "Really?" And that was because I did not expect that one small little dose of these cells could do this. And to me, that's like, that's that— I've treated so many people, chronic severe pain, decades of severe pain all over the body, several patients, over 90% improvement with one treatment. I mean, huge, huge relief and enhancement of life quality. And I have one patient who was blind in one eye from optic nerve damage. After one treatment we did, I think we just did IV, 40 years later he started to see in that one eye. And people who thought they were dying from COPD, they were barely had strength to go upstairs, up and down stairs. Now sprinting. I mean, these are just drastic things that modern medicine is not able to, to really bring about this kind of results. So if modern medicine with all these drugs they have cannot do this, then what are we missing? Maybe we're missing the design. If you just invoke what can make us, and then it will heal us.

What about blood? What blood markers might—

About blood? Yeah, sure. You should check blood markers, for sure.

What blood markers might change?

You can check inflammation markers, CRP, lipids. A lot of times I've heard cholesterol levels normalize, get to a much better place. Blood sugar improvements and, and, or whatever organ. If you have markers for different organs, like liver function or kidney function, I've seen people with improvements.

Yes. So if that's the case, why I don't know many people in the Longevity World Cup who are doing stem cell therapies.

Sure. Have you asked them?

Perhaps.

Tony Robbins is doing it. Brian Johnson has done it. Who else? Everybody I know has done stuff like this.

Dave Posko. Dave Posko did it with you, did he?

Yes. I mean, everybody is, I mean, they know, and they know it's powerful. So if I doubt they will want to, yes, sometimes expensive. Sometimes they want to. That's why you see some biohackers promoting certain clinics because they, they, they can promote the clinic and get the treatment for free. Yes. So, but they would do it.

I see. Well, I have a very important question to you.

Yeah.

What is that behind you in the background?

Oh yeah. That was, um, painting by my ex-husband who is a mystic, a tremendous artist, but he painted that. He said it's a portrait of me. I was like, that's what he said. Yeah. He said that's, yeah, that's one of the first very artistic thing to say. Yeah. So that is a mythic tiger. So as you can see, it's is as big as the mountains, right? It's— the size is mythical. Um, yeah, so there's, um, and has, has its fang, fierce. That's, uh, like you. That's, uh, I'm, I'm a little fierce. I've got that spirit. I mean, I would have never made it to the US if I did not have that piece of me in there. Um, and I, I wrote book, the, the title is Tiger of Beijing. I think he did the painting— oh yeah, he did the painting way before I came up with that title. That's what's fascinating, that that was the portrait of me, and then I wrote the book. I think I came up with the title probably in 2019. That's when the book was published, I think, 2019. But this is years before that book and that title. So I finally just owned it. There's a tiger inside of me. And I really utilized the power of that tiger to accomplish what I wanted to accomplish in life.

What's the story between— behind you making it to the US?

Oh, that's a good story. So, if anyone's interested, the book is on Amazon and there's also Audible. It's a story of overcoming So, there are, of course, if there's no difficulty, there's no good story. My first obstacle was a visa rejection. So, as a 20-year-old, after working very hard for 18 months to try to get to America to reach for my dream because I dreamed of this new life, this exciting life. There's just something about America. Beautiful idea of a country that made me want to be part of it. But then they rejected me. They said nope. Not because I was not smart, not because my grades were not good. It's because I didn't know anybody in America. Because America had a requirement that you have to have an affidavit of support. If you don't have an American to write that piece of paper, then they consider you a possibility as a burden for the country. So they won't let you in. I was rejected on that basis because that's what the person interviewed me basically said, nope. After he questioned me about my affidavit of support, which was written by my mom's student, he just did not believe that my mom's student who lives in America would be willing to help me. I mean, he couldn't comprehend. And the truth is, I wasn't counting on him to help me at all. I was willing to become a whatever, dishwasher. Start at a Chinese restaurant. That's where all the Chinese with no money would start. I'll wash dishes. So I really wasn't going to burden this student of my mom's, but the embassy who was interviewing me, I didn't tell them my plan, but they just like, no, no, you're not coming. So that was my first obstacle.. And, uh, I had to figure out how I was going to overcome that. It seemed insurpassable at the time because here I was, a penniless Chinese girl. I mean, we were so poor that even though my—

you can't give up.

Yeah, my dad's a professor. I mean, we were— my mom's a high school teacher. We're a well-educated family. I grew up in the most prestigious university in China, but it was— we had no money. So, when I had no connections, not like my family knew anybody in America, so it had to be— I had to find a way. So, that's when I decided that I wasn't going to give up and I wasn't going to let people stop me from my dreams. I actually got really upset. So, that tiger, that anger that can come out, that's what came out after I was rejected. And, from that anger, came to me doing things that are a little, uh, impulsive and ridiculous or, uh, ballsy. So I just grabbed the phone book in Beijing and started calling different hotels and different rooms randomly. I just— I got— I was pissed. I was like, I'm gonna know somebody. I did somehow. So, so, so that was the start of my journey, um, and one thing led to another. So, so I took people on this journey of what happens when you just throw things into the universe and just, here I am, I'm going to do something drastic. And then one thing led to another, and 8 months later, I arrived in San Francisco. But in San Francisco, I encountered another obstacle, which was being trapped in a relationship that was detrimental to my spirit and just to my existence as a human being. And how— and me as a young person coming to this country at 20 years old, really not experienced in navigating this complex terrain of pathologies of different personalities. And no one really told me about how to deal with the people who are manipulative and self-centered and insecure. So I had to figure figure things out myself. I was also crushed when it comes to feeling like I couldn't breathe. I was being controlled, and I just, I had no, really not much freedom. And yeah, so my personal aspirations was not important. My whole role was to assist this other person in his existence, so to glorify his existence. So about what about all the things I want to do, What about the things I'm passionate about? That wasn't important to him. So that was something that of a trap that I had to figure out that this was a trap. Unless I get out, my spirit will die. And there are people who stay in something like this and their spirit dies.

So what were you working at the time?

I'm sorry?

What did you work at the time?

What did I work?

Yes. What was your career like? You're in a washing dish school.

No, I didn't have to wash dishes ever. So, but, but I ran into other, yeah, I mean, I was very comfortable, but, but very miserable. So, yeah. So that was the, the second obstacle that I had to overcome. Eventually, it's a book of, not giving up when there's a no to your life and then finding solutions and respect your own spirit that you do anything you can to be true to yourself. Know that you are the final guardian for your life and you just, you owe it to yourself. So I was willing to, if I had to become homeless, whatever, whatever it took, I was gonna be free. Yeah, so that's the— so eventually, um, there was more drama in, in the book, but, um, eventually, yeah, I set myself free.

What you did there is that picking up the phone and calling people as long as you find someone to fucking say to the embassy that I know this person, right? That's such a, such a deep, right?

It's ridiculous.

It's such a, yeah, it just shows your motivation.

Yeah.

Yeah. But inspiring.

You have to, you have to do something. You have to be, yeah. So, um, yes. So that's just, that's the thing. I don't believe when people think that they're trapped in circumstances and then they just lay down their weapons saying, well, this is it. I'm given. This, um, and, and this is my, my fate. No, never accept that because you have your dreams. You have this spirit inside of you, this light. Let that light shine.

And then people tell you that that's not normal, but that's a good thing because if you want normal results, then you do normal things. You have to do extraordinary things. To get extraordinary results.

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Joy, where can people learn about your work or perhaps even take on your services?

They can take a look at my website, joykongmd.com, and that explains everything I do from my clinic to my stem cell company to the academy I founded to train other doctors to the cosmetic company I founded, which which is called Char Omni. We have an incredible all-natural cream that also have stem cells and peptides. And then my book, my memoir, Tiger of Beijing. And then if people want to contact me directly, they can always go to Instagram. Uh, it's just, uh, Dr. Joy Kong, K-O-N-G. And then my YouTube channel, which is full of great information about stem cell therapy or other things. I interview a lot of experts and people in the field. So my podcast, the Dr. Joy Kong Podcast, so you can always find me there as well.

Thank you for taking your time this late in the day for coming to this podcast. We'll probably hear a lot more.

Thank you so much, Adam. It's, yeah, it's great questions. And yeah, we got into some interesting aspects. Thank you for watching and listening. If you enjoyed this kind of content, please subscribe and turn on your notification bell so you don't miss any of my future content. And if you want to learn more about regenerative medicine or other modalities in anti-aging medicine, please go to my YouTube channel, Joy Kong, MD, and there are all kinds of videos to help you keep learning.