Using Stem Cell Therapy to Heal Chronic Injuries | Edward Lord

There are so many different ways that stem cells can heal, like kids with autism and different chronic injuries and broken bones and that sort of thing. So it's just like if people knew more about it, they would be informed and they would have the information.

Hi everybody, I'm Dr. Joy Kong from Uplift Longevity Center. I'm also the president of Charobiologics where we actually provide stem cell products to patients. So I just want to introduce Eddie here is one of the patients who have received stem cells and he has some interesting perspectives I think would be really helpful to share with everybody. So Eddie, yeah, I'm excited to speak with you.

Yeah, thanks. I do. I've kind of had a transformation in my own life, health wise would be more health focused. And I guess since 2020 I had kind of a transformation with my own life, but. And I've improved my health and tried to live a better lifestyle and get better sleep. And then I had a very traumat. I was in a foreign country and had a big injury. It was the most pain I've felt in quite a long time. And just a trauma, blunt trauma, force to my feet, impact, doing kind of a parkour thing in Cappadocia, Turkey, on vacation. And for the first time in my life I thought, okay, I'm going to heal from this in a few days, it's going to get better. And I went to see the doctor in Chicago and they said, oh, you're going to be fine. And then it turned out it wasn't. And that then for about two months later I went to see another doctor and they said a podiatrist. And I said, oh yeah, you've been walking for two months on broken feet and it's probably messing up with your fascia. And so finally I got some boots on there. And then I thought, okay, now I'm going to heal and it'll be good in just a few days or a few weeks. And months went by and I would talk to guys who had feet injuries and professional skateboarder and my hairstylist and he said they were talking about their feet injuries for multiple years. I thought, I cannot afford to be talking about this for two or five years from now. So tried to find different solutions and luckily I came across you. I don't know exactly how, but it was like I kind of lost hope for being able to do the simple things like go running with my friends. Like so many times my buddies would say, hey, let's go hiking. I thought not yet, not yet. So that just went on and on and on for several months. And to go from my bedroom to my home office, I would want to sit down and take a break in the living room. It was just something. Where is this me? This is totally not my identity of someone who is just going to be incapable of doing what I've been used to, been doing for decades. Running around, going hiking, climbing trees. I thought, man, am I never going to be able to go running with my kids someday? So all these different thoughts were going through my head, which is kind of depressive thoughts, and you get trapped into that. So that's kind of the backstory. And then once I discovered that stem cells might be an option, and in my mind, it felt so risky because it was so new and just sort of uncharted territory. And I know that. My understanding is that they've been using some form of stem cells for a while, and then they. Is it Yakimoto? He's a guy who won a Nobel Prize for stem cell discoveries and just the healing factor. And so I thought, well, I've heard enough about the studies. I'm going to give it a shot. And that's why the source of the stem cells was from you, wherever you got them. Not sure exactly. Yes.

Newborn babies. Healthy newborns. And then the stem cells are extracted from the umbilical cord.

Yes. And that's actually important to me because I have nieces and nephews who were frozen for five and seven years. And then my sister was able to give birth to them through adoption process, like the snowflake process. And when I told them, I was like, yeah, and I'm using stem cells to heal my feet. And they're like, uncle Eddie, what? And it's like, no, no, no. It's from an umbilical cord. Yeah. So that's a big distinction to go from there.

So how long were you kind of incapacitated, in a sense, before you got stem cells?

Nine months.

Okay.

So just imagine for nine months being, I don't know, just like not knowing, like, uncertainty in psychological terms is very taxing on our body. And so for nine months, I thought, well, ever the optimist. I thought, well, something is out there that's going to be able to work.

And you're a young guy.

Yeah. Yeah.

You're eating healthy, you're taking good care of yourself. So it's surprising that it wasn't healing.

Yes. And this injury, I thought, well, I've been injured before, broken bones, and they healed in a matter of weeks. And six weeks is how long it takes for A bone to break. But this because chronic injury was just taking over my life. And I thought, well, I. And I've been talking to guys who had injuries for five years, and they would. They would go jogging and then their feet would hurt. When they were jogging the next day, they didn't want to be on the feet at all. I thought, that's how I am when I want to go to the Costco, you know, so is that my life? For the rest of my life? I'm just going to be one of those guys who just has to sit down whenever they're at a dinner party. And if I go to concert, I have to bring a chair. Like, I'll just go into Burning Man. I'm like, I'm have to bring a stool to watch people play music. And I thought, is this the rest of my life?

So, so how were the stem cells given to you?

Got IV and then the. I don't know how many cc's, maybe three CCs through IV and then like a half and a half in the feet, in each foot. And. Yeah, so that was really kind of a neat process.

Yeah. So what did you notice after the treatment? I mean, did you notice anything the day of?

Well, the day of, you know, if you get something injected in your feet, obviously it's going to hurt. And so just kind of rested you that day, that evening. The next day was just kind of feeling like a normal day. Not sure what to feel. But one week after I felt like running, my body just wanted to go run. And I guess that's because the inflammation was lowered. And I think I got the advice of, okay, don't do anything for six weeks. Just let it. All the stem cells do their job and do their work. But I was able to. Yeah, I think it was two months later, I went to an event, and I was still just not wanting to do too much on them, but I was able to go running and jumping and dancing. And I thought, this is magic. I was telling a friend just about an hour ago that when I was walking through the gym and going from one machine to the other, and I would literally go from one machine and do the machines where I had to sit down to do the workout. And I remember going from one machine to the other soon after those process, and I thought, I'm not thinking about my feet right now. And that was just a realization that because I wasn't thinking about my feet in those few steps, I had been thinking about every step for nine months and how much pain that was just absorbing and all the mental bandwidth going towards this sucks, you know.

Within a week. That's pretty remarkable. After nine months.

Yes. I mean, that's why I just remember looking down the sidewalk, I just want to go run. But they said, don't run. You know, take it easy for a little while.

It's interesting. I. Yeah, I tell people, give it at least six weeks, you know, for soft tissue, you know, for balm, maybe a little longer. So I did treat a patient who had ligament tear on the bottom of his foot. And he's a triathlete, so running was very important to him. So he was able to stay off his feet for two months. So that was, you know, really appreciated when patients, you know, do what you ask them to do. I really appreciate it. So he was able to have that healed after two podiatrists telling him that he absolutely needed surgery. And he didn't do it because of, you know, the potential side effects and the downside and the possibility of changing the shape was a. Of his foot. So he didn't want to go through that. And with the stem cells, yeah, it's pretty remarkable. Within three months, he did an Ironman, so. So he did go ahead and put the stress on the tissue and apparently is fully healed.

That's incredible. Stories like that. Like my brother Brian, he does consulting for Ironman. He runs his own Ironman. And I know that there's so many people like. One of the reasons why I'm so happy to be talking about this and sharing it with everybody is because this anecdotally helped me and because I keep hearing stories about people who have had stem cells from your sores. I am just. I feel like I'd be rude not to try to get this out and share it, because I know people who have had back injuries and chronic back injuries and different ailments, and there are so many different ways that stem cells can heal kids with autism and different. Just like chronic injuries and broken bones or car accidents and that sort of thing. So it's just like if people knew more about it, they would be informed and they would have the information.

Yeah. And of course, there's a lot of restrictions in the sense that certain things can't be talked about. Certain things cannot, because there's no FDA approval for any conditions beyond hemoreconstitution. So reconstitute the blood. All the blood components of blood cells. That's the only FDA approval. But if you talk about anything else, you can't make any claims. You can't claim that you can Treat or cure anything beyond that hemoreconstitution. But also yes, any new form of therapy. Because especially when it's a challenge to the existing system, there's no big profits that can be made by big pharma. And then the fact that people are getting well so fast and so completely and they are not needing surgeries or medications, I think it does pose as a threat to the existing system. So the fact that doctors can't advertise that they are using stem cells on Google, on Facebook, on Instagram, so if you tried to run an ad, they would just shut it down, they would not let you. So that those are buzzwords of basically no.

Well that makes sense because that's probably why I felt it was such a big risk is because you couldn't have people advertising the experiences they've had because it is anecdotal until you have the FDA approval saying like, yes, this is safe to use and work and that sort of thing. But I've always been like a cutting edge person, like the first person to use Uber and all these different things. So it's like when it was illegal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or PayPal back when it was like only super expensive in New York or something. But yeah, it is nice to sort of be a tip of the spear so that I can see what works and what doesn't and why. And I'm. Yeah, like I said, I'd feel so rude if I didn't try to share with people and make it known. But I can say, hey, it really works for me. And um, I mean I can literally stand, stand by that statement.

I think it's eventually just like Uber, like PayPal, you know, what was, you know, kind of hush hush fringe or. Yeah, fringe. It just because it's so beneficial. It actually it's very helpful something that people want to use eventually just going to catch on to the point where it's like the whole prairie is on fire. You can't really put it out anymore. That's why I think this is a grassroots movement. I have so many doctors who approach me saying, hey, I have all these patients, I have three, four patients lined up. They all want stem cells. I don't know how to do it. Can you teach me? How can I do this? So it's patients who are asking for it and who want it and that's just, you know, it's, it's, it's the way of the future.

So no matter doctor's offices that you provide the stem cells for or they around.

Yeah. So There are a lot of doctors. Yeah, some. Some find me because I provide a lot of education. I founded an academy, American Academy of Integrated Cell Therapy. So if anyone's interested, they can go on the website aict.org so on the website there are actually a lot of case studies that shows what people's experiences have been. So this is an educational site. There are also scientific articles that are cited. So. So a lot of doctors want education or they heard about another doctor having success treating patients and then realize where the cell sources are. So they found their way to me. Yeah, so they want training, they want to, you know, be able to do this for their patients. Because I can't think of anything more frustrating than being a doctor and can't help your patients. Then you don't have the tools. That's one way to want to quit medicine, frankly. And I actually, when I was in medical school and when I was at the va, seeing all these veterans having. And bags of medications, really how effective are you at being a physician when all you're doing is just throwing medication after the medication, one medication, side effects, then you give another medication to counter that. So every veteran, when they come in, these are veterans that are, you know, 50, 60, you know, up to 80, 90 years old. And each one will have a bag of at least 15 medications, if not 35. So that's that. Everyone comes in with a big plastic bag. So it's, it's really sad. I mean, really, what are we doing? Are we really prolonging health? And are the primitive cultures. What about those people who've lived for a long time, you know, do they have medications to, to sustain them, to get there? Like, what are we doing wrong?

So I feel like we're, we're trying to add on things instead of strip away. What, like figuring out, like, doing, like, assessment, like, what is working and what, what is not working and it, like, I'm very happy that, that, that this is available. I'm alive right now. I'm going to be discovered because I guess, like, umbilical cords and that sort of thing just got thrown away back in the day, like mine. I guess ever since I was born, we could use those umbilical cords to heal so many.

We could. There are a lot of missed opportunities. Yeah, I think the Africans were actually using the amnion membrane to heal wounds. They put placenta on top of, you know, wound, you know, skin wounds, so they know the healing properties in these early birth tissue.

They're forced to try different things like that. Whereas in Western Modern medicine, you just go based on what you were taught in the book. And. Yeah, what's experimenting with us?

And what's interesting is I just did a video on Tony Robbins book Life Force, which I think is a fantastic book. But when it comes to stem cells, because I know so much in this area, so I'm seeing all these things that are not quite correct, and it's unfortunate. So I want to share with people. One thing that's unfortunately not correct was thinking that stem cell therapy using umbilical cord was somehow illegal. It was never illegal, but there's no. It was considered a great gray area, just like ozone therapy, like a lot of naturopathic therapies. No one said it's legal. No one said it is illegal. But at least in 2017, the FDA was coming up with a policy saying, well, if you are using cells that are extracted, and then you're not manipulating it by putting chemicals or enzyme into this extraction, and you're not growing them into huge numbers which can cause cell degradation, then you're doing tissue transplantation. That's not a drug. And as a doctor, you can do tissue transplant. But if you're manipulating it, changing it, then yes, you need to apply for drug studies, because then you're making a drug. But most companies who want to give a lot of cells, they go overseas because earlier studies were showing that they had to give. Well, they were using expanded cells, so cells that have been growing culture. So they were giving it at certain dosages. And so. So that's where the idea of the certain dose of, you know, how many million cells per kilo of body weight, and you have to give that much. That's how it came about. So people think that, okay, you have to adhere to that kind of number. But the truth is, when we're using native cells at much, much lower doses, like what you received, it's a fraction of what those research were recommending. And look at what happened. Right? So the proof is in the pudding. So you need to look at what, what the body's doing with the amount of cells you're giving. So a lot of people think that they have to go overseas because they want to receive the huge number of cells. But the problem is that those numbers are cells that have been expanded and grown and have senesced. So there's cell senescence going on when you grow them in culture and they start to express surface markers showing the characteristic of who they were as a donor.

Right.

The donor cells, if you put in the body, the donor somehow is able to work with you. But if you grow them outside in the petri dish or in the culture medium in the incubator, there's no such information that they need to adapt to. And it's actually stressful for the cells. So the cells start to feel stressed, and in the process, they will differentiate. They will. Instead of dividing into perfect duplicates of itself, which is a stem cell, they often divide into a daughter cell, which has gained certain functions. They're trying to, you know, have more gain more functions. And in that process, they express these surface markers that can cause immune rejection. Right. You just express the characteristics of who the umbilical cord was from, and then all of a sudden, you're giving it to a new person. A perfect example is that when you transplant bone marrow, if it's between two adults, you have to do a match, almost perfect match. But even a perfect match, there's a chance of rejection. But if you transplant umbilical cord blood, which has very similar composition as the bone marrow, but if you don't, you don't. You don't even consider matching it. You get it from the umbilical cord, you didn't match it, you give it to the person, no matching. And there's less chance of rejection than a perfectly matched bone marrow. So that shows you how young cells, how they're different from matured adult stem cells, even though they're all stem cells.

That was one of my questions. Like, are you ever worried about rejection from the stem cell donor? And also, how many stem cells are in a CC? Because I think you got like three CCs via IV. Like, how many sim cells are in a city?

Yeah, so.

Because, I mean, the people who are going internationally are kind of tricked by the numbers. Like, oh, we'll give you 20 billion. Well, they're only giving you 10 billion or whatever it might be.

Yeah, the general numbers overseas, I think people are running between 100 million to 300 million. So that's the general numbers, you know, that's in the ballpark of what the research will be suggesting. But from what we're doing here, you know, the number will be around 20 to 50 million. So it's a fraction of what's going on, you know, maybe one sixth of what's used overseas. But the results we're seeing are just as good, if not better. Definitely way less side effects, Almost no side effects. I barely see any issues, partially because we have the product from, you know, that I'm using, that I've developed, is that there's high concentration of Mesenchymal stem cells. And these are cells that are what's called immune evasive. So they're almost like they don't cause a problem with your immune system, but they also have a way of calming the immune system. So these cells can be given to somebody who just received organ transplantation and that actually help prevent them from rejecting the organs. So these cells are hugely beneficial in, you know, reducing this excessive reaction of your immune system. Think about COVID It's not the COVID virus that's killing you. It's your own immune over zealous, you know, immune reaction that's causing the problem. So the high concentration of the mesenchymal stem cells is what's able to calm the system. But if you're using a product like a pure core blood product that has very few MSCs, mesenchymal stem cells, then you have a much higher chance of having, having immune rejection. So people don't understand that different products are different. You need to look at what kind of cells are in there, even though they are all stem cells, because they all have stem cell characteristics. But there are hundreds of different kinds of stem cells in your body, maybe even more. It's almost like a, like a gradation before a original embryonic stem cell or pluripotent, you know, very, very early, you know, cell that have huge potentials to develop into any organs from that cell all the way down to a cell that's about to be developed into your organ specific cells. Let's say your liver cell. Right there's liver stem cell that's just ready to, you know, one step away from becoming liver cell. And that's a stem cell. But does it have a potential to develop into bone or for, you know, or your stomach lining? No, it's a very, very specialized stem cell. So that all the way down to that level. But that came from the very, very wide capabilities of the early stem cells. But every step of the way, the cells will gain function and lose potential. But then it's a continuum. So we're capturing stem cells anywhere in this continuum. And they're all stem cells, but there's so many of them. Mesenchymal stem cells are the most famous because they are proposed to be named medicinal signaling cells by Dr. Kaplan, who discovered these cells because he believes the function of these cells is not to develop, develop into your local stem cells, you know, specific tissue cells, is to send signals throughout your body to tell your body how to heal. So, so these are, these are the immune, you know, adaptive immune Evasive cells, they're all around your blood vessels. So these are the cells that we have been using as kind of a gold standard. But this is one type of stem cells. So cord blood have some other types of stem cells. You need to look at what kind of cells you're getting. But the key is, if you're using mesenchymal stem cells, their capability is mostly, you know, the benefit they're exerting is mostly because they're able to trigger your body to respond in the right way. They're telling your body to calm the inflammation, to break down the scar tissue, to promote more vascular formation, to rescue cells that didn't have to die by sending out the right signals. Or tell cells that need to die, like cancer cells, senescent cells, and tell them to die. And basically working with your immune system, communicating with your immune system, which is the most, the powerful mechanism for healing. Right. For us to recover from any illness, infections or cancer, or even just senescence from aging. So these mesenchymal stem cells are the key. But other cells are important, too. This is, you know, we're still in the beginning of the science, but mesenchymal stem cells is the hottest right now. We have the most research on it. But are things going to change, evolve? Yes. And that's why it's so exciting. But with what we have, we can do a lot. And you are one example of showing that it can transform your life.

I can tell you lead up an institution of education because I feel like I got an education just right there. But it gives me so much more appreciation when I do know more about a subject of any kind. And it does make sense. I've heard that the reason why these stem cells are more useful is because they are from a successful birth, like a happy baby. And then donor mothers, they're from C section. Yeah, yeah.

They don't go through vaginal canal, which can be full of bacteria.

Okay, yeah, okay. That's a good point, too.

Preventing that from happening, because C section is sterile surgical field.

And the reason why they don't use embryonic stem cells is because a lot of births wouldn't turn out to be a fully functioning. So you might have a lot of senescent cells, or not really sure that.

Well, embryonic stem cells. I think, first of all, a lot of embryos don't become a healthy baby. Right. That's why there are a lot of abortion, not abortion, miscarriages, because it's not easy to form a perfectly functioning human being.

And so much of our Body is made up of cells like everybody has. Everybody right now, I've heard, has little cancers in their body, but our immune system gets rid of them.

Exactly.

So it makes sense to have a lot of these cells that don't. Don't make it into a successful, healthy part of my body. So a lot of the. Yeah, the embryonic cells wouldn't make a fully useful.

Yeah, a lot of things can go wrong and, you know, either from the environmental factors or from genetic factors. So a lot of these cells, they may not have the capability to form a perfectly. Like clockwork. Right. The most sophisticated clock you can imagine. So imagine if you are using embryonic stem cells that really hasn't been tested by fire. So you haven't really shown that you can't form a human yet. And now we're using you to try to heal, try to, you know, help a, you know, fully formed human. But these cells can, you know, go crazy. And that's really what they can do, form new cancer. So what's called teratoma. These are new, uncontrolled growth that they don't know how to organize themselves. So they just form all kinds of tissues and they're all clumped together. So you probably heard of women that have teratoma. Instead of forming a baby, they have a tumor growing. So that's a potential problem. And that still, till this day, we don't know how to control it. I think one reason is probably because some embryos are not meant to actually form a full human being. They don't have all that takes. And embryonic stem cells, you know, when you. When you. Yeah, so we've heard of instances where it's injected into people and then they ended up getting a new cancer, you know, new tumor. So that's one of the main. Main concerns. Same thing with pluripotent stem cells that are kind of induced. So we can get your skin cell, let's say this scientist was able to revert it back to embryonic state and then use that as a stem cell to heal the person. Right. This sounds perfect. But the problem is, once you induce it back to the embryonic state, I think there are a lot of factors that we don't understand yet. We think we can, in a sense, play God and do this maneuver. And then we got this perfectly original state that can become anything. And it doesn't quite happen that way because the same thing can happen. The teratoma can still happen with these cells. So that's an. Again, you know, we haven't solved that issue yet. But if you use umbilical cord derived stem cells, these cells, even though they're very young and very primitive, way younger than the baby's cells. So the baby is born zero day old. Right. But these umbilical cord cells are actually younger than the baby cells because they were formed during embryogenesis. But because there's so much later in the evolution of the cells, they don't have the capability to go crazy anymore. And I think in a sense they were also kind of proven the full baby is formed, baby is fine. So all the genetic, all the mechanisms are functioning just right. And then you're getting a cell from the cord that have been capable, that has been capable of providing nutrients who are fully formed human being with the same genetic material. So it's almost like a, you know, it's been tested.

Yeah, sounds the right way to go. Yeah. I've had a friend, like I said just this week who is doing. Getting stem cells from their own fat tissue or bone marrow and it seems that. So I was, I was told that the, the stem cells kind of know where to go to fix the inflammation and if you just give yourself an injury, they're probably going to go fix that injury that you just worked on.

I mean it's true if you just.

So the majority was. It's.

That's. Yeah, I've, you know, discussed that in my lectures in different conferences. So it's great and there is benefit. But it's true if you just extracted cells from your bone marrow or you just did a liposuction to get stem cells out and then you're putting the cells into a vein hoping that they're going to help you with other conditions. But a lot of them will be attracted to the injury you just made. Yeah. And then you know, there's. And on top of that, your own cells are just more sluggish than the cells from the umbilical cord. It's. There's no way.

Decades older.

Yeah, it's older. And it's proven by studies after studies that these cells are reduce in their capabilities in their potency. So they don't secrete as much growth factors, they're not as neuroprotective. They're. Yeah, they're, they have senesced. You know, they, they're just, they're older, the telomeres are shorter. So they simply are just, you know, they don't have the younger.

Is the motivation to go to those places because it's less expensive or something like that?

It's not less expensive. It's very expensive. It's. You know, some people have. They feel better about using their own cells. So even if their cells are older and less effective, they think that they're uncomfortable about getting something from another human being. I think it's, you know, that's, I mean, they don't realize that humans exchange genetic material all the time. And they found out that 60% of women actually have Y chromosomes in their body and they couldn't account for that number by just looking at possibly there was genetic exchange. If they were in the womb of the mother and there was a sibling that may have died, you know, brother, or they have given. They had been pregnant with male children, but they didn't know about it because there's spontaneous miscarriages. They couldn't account for 60% of women having Y chromosomes. So the only explanation was that it's from sexual intercourse. So if you think of a sexual intercourse, that men and women are exchanging chromosomes. Right. They're very, very different people. Right. When we have a whole chromosome that's different, but all these women are fine.

That's right.

So it's, you know, just like we carry so much bacteria, not the. Our body. Right. £5. We've got all these critters in our body living with us. So having a minute amount of somebody else's DNA is really not as drastic as people think. And I've done IV infusions on myself every three months for the last almost eight years. Yeah, I, I have not seen any problems. And I love having all this DNA in me. It's like, you know, maybe some. I just, you know, it's teamwork. Teamwork, exactly. You know, maybe I'm lacking in something and, you know, help me.

Yeah, well, that. Interesting, the biodiversity. I wonder if your immune system is a bit stronger than it would have been otherwise, just because you are commingled.

The thing is that the amount we're giving people is so minute, you know, it's going to be. Yeah, it's going to be a little bit here and there, but I think on the whole scope of things, we have, you know, how many trillions, three people, 0.7 trillion cells, 37 trillion cells, you know, and we're giving a fraction of cells and even if they stay is not going to make as much impact as people think. But the healing effect is profound. Think about those. Not that many cells. I mean, it sounds like a lot, you know, whatever, 30 million, 40 million. But it's minute comparing to how many cells you have in the body. But the effect they have on you. The impact is profound. Yeah. So this is really exciting time that we're tapping into this, this blueprint of what made us the intelligence that's. That's in that blueprint which is, you know, in the stem cells that they carry some of the intelligence.

Well, I'll tell you, I can't wait to be able to get stem cells every. For just longevity purposes and health purposes and rejuvenating all these older cells to help them be, you know, rejuvenating younger cells, you know.

And the research have shown that when you give animals starting like middle aged animals, rats or mice, that you extend their lifespan by about 30%. So regular IV infusions of stem cells. Yeah.

How regular?

Well, because they don't live very long. So they were giving. So these rats are lifestyle. Yeah, they generally live for about 20 months on average. So they give them about once a month or twice a month. So, you know, it's kind of similar to what we're doing every three to six months for humans. So not only they live longer, who cares if they live longer. But they look terrible. Right. But they are acting like they're healthy and young and vibrant so that you extend the time that they're actually living a really good life. And then they.

You know, that reminds me of my previous comment where I thought is the point in my life over where I was able to run around, climb trees, run 5Ks, just go hiking with my buddies. And to know that the, I mean, it's just having that time period of my life, my health span extended, that gives me, I mean, more joy for life and it gives me a lot more hope. And it's for someone who lost hope to be able to have more hope and to feel like, wow, this life does get better after this. That's one of those things where. And it comes from our mother's. The stem cells between a mother and a baby. That's really, really neat.

Exactly.

Yeah.

It's a simple transplantation from this early, you know, human, you know, this basically a byproduct of birth that we can give it to you and I mean, and bring so much life back to you. I mean, it's incredible, right? Just one treatment, I mean, that was quite a while ago. You got one treatment and then you're vibrant. You know, instead of relying on some medication that, you know, that we're trying, I mean, this is a drastically different way of healing the body.

That's awesome.

Exciting, right?

How long is it going to take before we can all just really enjoy.

All this stuff, I think it's going to take shorter than we think. You know, I'm definitely working hard in that direction, you know, you know, making sure that we are doing everything right. We're producing a product, you know, under really strict criteria. We can show the FDA we're doing everything in a, you know, highly responsible manner, and we can standardize everything we're doing. Once that comes through, I think there's going to be a point that the insurance companies are going to realize that we can save so much money by covering this. There are already insurance companies that are covering it. Very, very few companies. But you can see that these people are smart. They realize, oh, my goodness, we can save so much money by preventing people from ending up getting surgeries or getting all these expensive drugs or getting cancer and chemotherapy. So you can really safeguard. You can basically grow your wealth as an insurance company by covering these therapies. So it's going to come along.

I'm a big fan of preventative medicine, and that's where. If I get good sleep and I eat a healthy diet and don't put a bunch of inflammatory foods in there, I know that I'm not going to be sore, I'm not going to be more easily injured when I do those crazy things. So, yeah. Yeah. This is. Yeah. So good. Well, awesome. I think that you've got a flight to catch and I've got dinner to go.

So, yeah, it's a great discussion.

Yeah. Kind of impromptu getting together, but yeah, this has been so good. And I'm so happy that we met. I'm so happy that I met first, your stem cells, your source first, and then can be able to share this with other people. Is there something that. That the general population can do to help this? This? I guess the knowledge and I mean, I just. Sharing and watching this video is one way to do it. But is it like when people write in their congressperson, is it people ask their doctor, like, do you know anything about stem cells? Do a lot of doctors know about stem cells or no?

What from the traditionally trained doctors? I think they have blinders on because the traditional medical system, it doesn't talk about stem cells very much. It's very, very few things that the doctors actually know. And they are given the impression that this is still very experimental, that there's not much evidence. I still hear that from patients who have talked to their primary care doctors saying, oh, there's no evidence that works. And my question is always, have you ever looked for the evidence? If you haven't Looked, then I guess it doesn't exist to you. But why don't you. What, what evidence would you like? Because I would love to send you articles, I would love to send you research from all around the world because the evidence is there. So unfortunately, I don't know what the percentage is.90% of doctors, really, they are still stuck in the traditional pharmaceutical system that they're not looking beyond. So, you know, so if a patient wants to trust these doctors, trust their words is at their own peril because they might have missed really, really powerful healing potentials just because these doctors don't know what they don't know. Yeah. So what can people do? Be educated. We are doing as a study to help understand what stem cells can do for traumatic brain injury. So clinical studies, and we do want to help a lot of veterans and we're hoping that if we can show that these stem cells can help veterans, first responders, that there's going to be a little bit more incentive for the government, the power to be, to want to do something about it and eventually that there's going to be more support because now we're talking about people that we are emotionally attached to and the politicians may be more willing to stand behind veterans, you know, even if it's for their own political gains. So, I mean, that could be one way of helping things move forward just a little faster other than, you know, people just started, you know, to start using it and, you know, so it's everywhere to the point where that somebody is going to get help from it. Right. Some congressperson, somebody in the government saved, their own life is saved and then maybe we can change legislation.

That's a good point because I chronicled my healing process and I just remember this doesn't feel real. And I'm so happy that it's doing its job and it's worked. And I feel like just talking with you, this is a big step in the right direction, a big step towards healing. So that's pretty amazing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we're going to stop here.

Yes.

And thank you everybody for, for, you know, coming along with us and go on this little journey about stem cells. And hopefully one day this is going to be everywhere. I know one day this is going to be as common and not issue as antibiotics, that everybody before surgery are just going to get some stem cells so you get healed so much faster, so much better, or if you get sick, just get some stem cells, you're going to heal so much better and, you know, you can avoid a lot of issues, even for infections that we've known. Even with the recent, you know, big epidemic, China has conducted research in very early stages using stem cells and getting people off ventilators within six days and even people who are very sick and, you know, elderly. So. So it's like, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. So hopefully, you know, it's going to happen sooner than later. So, yeah, let's all push for this together.

Yes, sir. Amen.