Why Western Medicine Is Holding Us Back | Dr. Joy Kong & Nate Palmer

We have to understand what it takes to keep people healthy. The doctors do not know how to do it. Some just want to stick their head in the sand and don't want to know because this is what I was taught, this is what the medical board says, this is what FDA says. So this is what I'm going to do. I'm so excited to talk with you.

Going back to just like talking about kind of the state of the industry. Obviously doctors are in it to help people, right? But it seems like the people coming out of medical school are somewhat handicapped by like the education system and the idea of, you know, like you said once, people like waiting until the problem gets so bad that we're now applying a bandage to it. You've kind of taken a, like a, you, you went through the traditional route, but you've now kind of pivoted and taking a non traditional route to performance and healing. Do you feel like to stay in that traditional route is to like kind of be. Get left behind a little bit with some of like the new, the new ideas around medicine that are coming out.

Now, they're left behind and they don't know it. So that's what I see. For example, I have a friend who, who manages a lot of doctors at Kaiser and doctors are coming to her saying, you know, I'm feeling like I'm falling behind. I'm not up to date. People come to me, patients come to me with all these questions and I don't know how to answer. So they are falling behind. So some are sensing it. Some just want to stick their head in the sand and don't want to know because this is what was taught, this is what the medical board says, this is what FDA says. So this is what I'm going to do. As, as long as I do what they've told me, then I'm protected. Right. Liability wise and everything. You can cause death, but you are completely not vulnerable to any kind of repercussions. Because you went by the book. The book says you can give this drug for this disease and if all these side effects and all these terrible things can happen, including death, that's fine as long as you told patients it. If you want to live in a net of safety, that's a great way to go. But if you actually want to really help people, then you've got to step outside of that box. So. But I would say majority of the doctors are still, are still confined and.

It seems like the system is kind of designed in a way to keep them confined. So if you were to go back, Dr. Joy, and you were able to snap your fingers and change like the state of medical education in this country and change what medical school does for like new doctors and people who are just like, just learning and going through the system. What would you do to ensure that, like, that we're not just like putting band aids on stuff with medication?

We have to understand what it takes to keep people healthy. The doctors do not know how to do it. It's not part of the education. The education is completely disease oriented. So if we can focus our attention on wellness, on how to make a person optimized and thrive, and if you can focus on that, a lot of the diseases simply will go away. But if you don't know anything about it, you just let people do whatever they do, eat terrible food and not exercise and, you know, be exposed to toxic. And then they come to you with you're. They're sick and then you throw all these drugs at them. The drug companies are happy, the insurance companies are happy. So everybody's happy. The doctors continue to be in business because, you know, people are really sick. So that became a self perpetuating. It's great for the drug company. Insurance company. Doctors used to be pretty good. It got worse and worse because their compensations are cut and cut. So they became slaves. So literally they became medical slaves to the insurance company and the drug companies. So that's why a lot of doctors are quitting medicine. It's really sad you got all this education, but you're so frustrated. You're giving a few minutes per patient. What is it? Oh, Cedar Sinai wanted doctors to spend seven minutes per patient. How much can you accomplish and help a person in seven minutes? Right? So some doctor just said, screw it, I'm done. I'm done with medicine. So that is where we've come to. The doctors have become medical slaves to these giant corporations.

Thanks for the interview. I was really crazy. I'm gonna sign off now. That's. That's insane to hear, Dr. Joy. Like, I mean, I feel like there's a lot of people out there who are kind of on this more like, you know, carnivore, low carb, like, like everything you read is wrong and toxic system who believe that. But to hear that come from you, who have, who's come out of the UCLA medical school, like, that's, that's really powerful and very compelling. So I want to get into the stem cells since you're obviously a tremendous expert in that subject. And so when I think of stem cells I think of someone hurting their knee and they're go, they go into Tijuana and they get a stem cell injection in the knee. And it's, it's helpful for resolving like athletic injuries, muscle recovery, that sort of thing. What benefits and potentials are you seeing beyond some of just like the, the athletic joint muscle repair?

Yeah, my goodness, it's. There's so much. I actually give a lecture at one of the conferences that where a lot of doctors who do stem cell treatments, they, they attend. So specifically, it's actually on YouTube, it's about. I was presenting clinical evidence for diverse disease conditions. So I give a quick glimpse of all the conditions that there have been research evidence showing benefits. So there's. That's kind of an abbreviation of the course I teach through American Academy of Integrated Cell Therapy, where I go through all these organ and disease categories. Let's just start, you know, from, from autoimmune diseases. That's like the bread and butter is, you know, it's fantastic for autoimmune conditions. And there are 20, 122 autoimmune diseases we know. And then there's of course, musculoskeletal. That's the bread and butter. And we have, you know, from head to toe. Right. From neurological conditions, neurodegenerative issues, traumatic brain injury, spinal cord injury or, you know, Alzheimer's, that kind of diseases, Parkinson's to internal organs, heart, you know, congestive heart failure, atherosclerosis, you know, different, you know, post heart attack repair, lung diseases like copd, pulmonary fibrosis or liver cirrhosis, you know, liver conditions, kidney failure. I've seen people I've treated with testicular inflammation and swelling, repeated infections. I've seen people getting great benefits with fertil fertility. There's some results showing benefits for fertility. You can receive benefits in autism or in, let's say different, you know, different other organs. Hearing, eye. There are various benefits shown. So wide range. Is it a panacea? No. But has it, has it shown to be highly beneficial in a lot of conditions offering hope to people previously having no hope at all. Absolutely, yeah. Wide range.

And you're talking about recovery rather than a band aid and taking like pharmaceuticals to just mask the symptoms. You're talking about like actually restoring health and wellness rather than just being like, hey now, you don't know, you don't feel it exactly.

Fixing it from the fundamental level, most of our chronic illnesses is driven by inflammation. So stem cells are particularly good at reducing the inflammation. It's highly anti Inflammatory and it shifts your immune system. So a lot of our current problems is because we have overactive immune system. It's attacking itself, causing all kinds of symptoms and a lot of diseases. We don't even know what it is. You know, doctors say, well, you have some kind of autoimmune disease. Yeah, it's because the environment is toxic, your body is not balanced. So you have this overactive immune system attacking itself. And stem cell therapy is highly beneficial when it comes to shifting the immune system back to a more balanced state. And then on top of it, it can break down scar tissue. Right. How helpful is that? You know, not only musculoskeletally, but in your lungs, in your liver, you know, in your kidneys, it can down scar tissue and it can help regenerate blood vessels, so forming new blood vessels so oxygen, nutrients can be delivered and waste can be removed. And that is crucial for healing. Blood supply is one of the most fundamental aspects for healing. And then on top of it, it can fight, has anti cancer properties, can, can tell cancer cells to die. It also has protective properties if cells are injured but don't have to die. A lot of times some, you know, certain dying cells, let's say crash, injury or stroke, the dying cells send out signals to tell the neighboring cells to die. But stem cells can go in there and rescue these cells. So reduce the extent of injury. And it all can also provide mitochondria transfer. Especially if you use young stem cells like what I use from the umbilical cord, then you have fresh young mitochondria. You can actually improve your mitochondria pool. Right. Better mitochondria. So there are all these fundamental aspects to healing that tell me a drug that can do this right? None. So yeah, that's why it's so exciting.

So when you're talking about these stem cells for, you know, anti inflammatory properties, fixing autoimmune musculoskeletal issues, fixing COPD or working on Alzheimer's. Are we talking about different types of stem cells or is are stem cells stem cells? And it just kind of like the application depends on. Can you explain this? Like I'm five, I'm okay.

If you're five, imagine when you were born or before you were born. Remember, I don't know if you know that you were once a single cell, you were a fertilized egg. This is how miraculous we all are, that we now are fully formed human beings. But guess what? We came from one cell. What's in that one cell that has the kind of Just improbable intelligence that can form us. Right? So that one cell is a quintessential first ste from that first stem cell, then you can have more stem cells. More stem cells. So you form the ball. And actually, day five to seven after fertilization, that's when you can get a few cells from the inner cell mass of this ball and use those as embryonic stem cells. By the way, no one I know in this country is providing embryonic stem cell treatment, you know, clinically, unless it's under a clinical study, but not, as far as I know, when it starts to form, when the embryo is developing, all those cells are stem cells. You know, they. They keep changing. They keep developing new protein surface markers, gaining more function, but they're losing capacity while they're gaining function because genes are turned on and off. So as they keep going down the pathway until they get to the very end organ, let's say your heart, right. It becomes a heart muscle cell. That cell is no longer a stem cell, but right before it becomes the heart heart cell, it was a heart stem cell. So the heart muscle cell has a precursor, and that's a stem cell. So all this along the pathway, there are thousands and thousands of. Of different types of stem cells. So when we talk about stem cells, we can talk about all of those. You know, we can include all of those, or we can include a portion of those. What's most popular and most fashionable, well, has a lot of active research going on is mesenchymal stem cells. And so these are cells formed, you know, from a particular germ layer. When the. When the babies form, there are three germ layers. So from this middle germ layer, you can get these mesenchymal stem cells that ended up to be populating your entire body. So anywhere you have blood supply and blood vessels, these cells are right there. They're hugging the blood vessels. They're holding on to your blood vessels while they are keeping pulse on the environment that they're. They're in. Right. Whatever tissue they're in, they're talking to the local stem cells. They're talking to the immune cells in the neighborhood. They can also send signals into the blood, and they can sense signals sometimes when there's strong enough signal that they. This is all the intelligence, you know, that we're trying to figure out, right. So certain signals will kind of wake them up and they will realize that, oh, I need to get into the blood vessels and go somewhere else. So they will actually swim upstream like a salmon to find the location where the signal is emitted and get to that place which usually is the site of inflammation and injury, and then they will get out of the blood vessels and start to do its work. So these are the cells that we're talking most commonly. But when we use bone marrow transplant or umbilical cord blood transplantation, there's only a small fraction that. Are these cells, mesenchymal stem cells, MSCs. Majority of them are what's called mononuclear cells. These are immature immune cells, so primitive immune cells. There are stem cells, but they are not msc. So people don't realize that, you know, there's so many different kinds, but both are important. A lot of people only use one kind. So my philosophy is that I want to include everything in my therapy. So in what I do, the product I formulated, we actually use cells from all these different sources.

Gotcha. Okay. And you kind of just relying on the innate intelligence in the stem cells to solve issues in specific locations. I know you said they can, like, they can go upstream and kind of find the. Find the spots where the signal's coming from, like, most likely places from inflammation or that have damage. Is it very dependent on, like, where the stem cells are applied? Is it? Is it? No.

I'll give you a story that will put in, you know, in a tangible form. My very first patient, he was 69 years old. He came to me because he was facing bilateral knee replacement, because two separate orthopedic surgeons said, your knees are in such bad shape, you have osteoarthritis. They're bone on bone, so you absolutely need bilateral knee replacement. And he said, I don't want to do that. I'm very active. I just don't want to go through that. So this is eight years ago. I give him injections in both knees, and then I give him the IV infusion. Because my philosophy when treating osteoarthritis, these chronic inflammatory joint diseases, is that you want to attack from both angles. You want to attack from the joint, because inside the joint, the inner 2/3 of the cartilage is nourished by the synovial fluid, but the outer one third of cartilage is nourished by the blood supply. So the blood and the synovial fluid have very, very slow exchange rate. So if you attack from both angles, the entire thickness, the cartilage can receive the signals. So that's what I did. But what's interesting was the next day, he said, hey, I slept through the night, and I haven't slept through the night for Decades, because I had a car accident when I was a teenager when the car rolled over and I injured my rotator cuff and it never fully healed. So every night when I shift and move my body around, I wake up and he said I slept through the night and that he kept sleeping through the night. So that no longer is a problem. Basically the cells I gave him through IV found its way because that area probably is screaming inflammation that I'm not healed, I don't know how to repair. I don't have the right signals. The cells went right to that area through the IV route. So IV route, I think is very powerful and I've seen it happen again and again and again. I think is one of the main driving forces. Not only it can get to the site and that's they need to, you know, to repair, but they can also activate the immune system. So they interact with your spleen and with your lymph, peripheral lymphoid system. So all these can mount a repair response that your local tissue may need. So I think IV is, it's going to be one of the fundamental, you know, like a main feature for stem cell therapy.

Okay, this sounds like incredible, but it also sounds like something my insurance is definitely not going to cover.

They will one day, but not yet.

So I feel like a lot of times I talk to people who are like, I'm going to get stem cells and they talk about like going to Mexico or going to Thailand or something like that. Is that a good option? Is, or should we be like, is there better options here locally in the US like how do you recommend someone start going about this if they, for example, had someone tell them they need bilateral knee replacements?

Yeah, I actually believe that people can get better therapy here. But again, when it comes to stem cells, there's so kinds you can get it from your own body, right, from your own fat or bone marrow, or you can get it from the umbilical cord. So I have a lecture on YouTube. It's called Are All Mses Created Equal? I basically broke down the differences between these different types of stem cell therapy. If you go through the 40 minute lecture, you go through the evidence I'm presenting to you from research from around the world, then you probably will reach the same conclusion that I did. That umbilical cord, which is the early birth tissue source, is actually superior to a person's own. So just that there's a difference. Right? Are you, what are you using? Are you using your own? So if you're 40 years old, then your stem cells are 40 years old.

I'm 37, but thank you so much. I know you can't tell what the gray hair.

I know 37 is so much better than 40. So your own stem cells would be 37 years old. So that is nowhere as potent as a newborn stem cell. But guess what? The umbilical core stem cells are way younger than the newborn stem cell. So it's in between the embryonic stem cells and the newborn baby stem cells. So the cells were trapped early in embryogenesis, and the cells retained the early characteristics without having the wild potentials that's embedded in the embryonic stem cells, which can cause new tumor. But when you use umbilical core cells, it doesn't have that potential anymore. So it's kind of the best of both worlds. You have the early powerful potential, but you don't have the wild potential that leads to tumor formation. And then it's more potent than your own stem cells. So just to give you an idea, our stem cell supply drastically declined. It's like falling off a cliff. So when we were born, every one out of 10,000 cells is a stem cell. And by the time we reach our teenage years, it becomes one in a hundred thousand. And when we reach our forties is one in four hundred thousand. When we reach our eighties is one in two million. So as you can see, you're running out of the engine that's driving repair and regeneration. That's why we age. So, you know, at a certain point, rapidly, you know, falling off a cliff because your organs can't be prepared, I mean, repaired as we need. So. So anyhow, your own stem cells may not be as potent, right? So when you compare apples to apple, so you're using your own stem cells, you can't quite compare to using cells from the umbilical cord because these are completely different sources. But you can do that if you want to. And what I see is that, you know, the older you are, the less effective the therapy is going to be. But if you use umbilical core cells, which a lot of people do, they go overseas to get stem cells that came from the umbilical cord. But the difference is that they are using cells that have been expanded. That means the cells were taken out of the tissue and put in a kind of culture medium and put in an incubator to grow to huge numbers. And that is a stressful situation for cells, is not the Garden of Eden, as some people proclaim, is actually very different from the human body environment that the cells are trying to adapt to. In that adaptation process, the cells can secrete all kinds of inflammatory molecules and they can also differentiate. So when stem cells divide, they have a tendency to divide into a copy of itself and something that's more differentiated. Right. That's, that's how they preserve its own population. But, you know, continue to exert its function, which is to replenish the tissue that they're in. So if you allow the cells to grow in the culture, then they tend to divide into a copy of itself and something that's a little different, the daughter cell that's a little more differentiated, showing more surface markers that are consistent with the donor. Right. With the. Where it came from. So that surface marker could be different from the recipient and that could cause rejection. So imagine one cell divided into two cells, one copied, identical, one daughter cell. And then those two cells would divide again. So that stem cell, identical copy will divide into identical copy and daughter cell, and the daughter cell will be divided into daughter cell and daughter cell. So by the time you have a huge pool of cells, it's great, you got a lot of cells. But then the amount of stem cells is much smaller. It's small, right? Because you actually dividing the huge pool to give to many, many people. Because now you think, oh, I have so many cells, I can give to a lot of people. So economically, one umbilical cord, you can treat a lot more people because you can get a lot more cells. But the actual native stem cells are much reduced in population. I have statistics showing in one of my presentations, I talk about how when you give 10 times the number of stem cells, but these cells are expanded, even though you have 10 times the number, the benefit is actually less. So it's not like the more the better. You can be detrimental by having so much more, but are differentiated.

So it's not like even, hey, you, you do a lot of these expanded cells and you're only getting 50% of the benefit. It's like you do all these expanded cells and you're actually getting less benefit than if you had done 10 times less. But only stem cells.

Exactly.

And that sounds, it sounds like that's what you're saying. Like that's a lot of times what you get when you go overseas for.

This, not to mercy, you're going to get more side effects. Because I've, I've seen a lot of side effects problems. Like Tony Robbins talks about cytokine storm. Say, oh, if you get stem cells, just be prepared, you may get cytokine storm. I never have to counsel my patients of Cytokine storm because it simply doesn't happen with native stem cells because there's no such inflammatory molecules or these surface markers that can trigger that kind of response. So yeah, that's one of the problems.

So if you're just some, somebody who's looking for better longevity, better health, maybe you got like that achy shoulder, but it's not something that you're going to really get like a script for or like insurance to cover anything. How do you go about starting to utilize these to improve your quality of life, just improve your, your longevity, like kind of as anti aging piece.

My approach is that if you're pretty young, let's say under the age of 45 or so, and you just as a sports injury, as an acute injury, we can certainly inject locally and that may be enough. But if you have a chronic issue is something that's been lingering. Why is it lingering? Because your body has not been able to repair. Because your body should be able to repair it if you have the right amount of regenerative potential. Right. Just like when we're little kids, you don't worry about osteoarthritis in little kids. Right. Their cartilage is not breaking down because they can repair so much faster. They have the engine behind it. So as we get older, we're losing the number of engines and we're losing the quality of the engines. So those situations, the chronic situations, we may need to do both IV and local injection to really elevate your full body's potential and reduce the inflammation. Yeah. So that would be my approach.

So do I need to find someone like you who specializes in this sort of thing? Or like, where do we, where do you go to get started with this? If someone's listening right now and is like, that's, that sounds like what I need. Where do they, what's the next step to take?

They should find doctors who are well trained. Unfortunately, a lot of doctors who are doing stem cell therapy have not received any kind of TR training that they realized this is great, can help people, you know, which is, which is fine. But, but they were taking instructions from reps from certain stem cell companies that, that were selling the products. So that's really not the right way of being a doctor. Right. You don't take orders from a rep who have no medical training. They just tell you, hey, this, this will work. You know, this is what we recommend. And then. So you want a doctor that's gone through proper training. And this is one reason I found it the academy. So we do at least twice a year we do an in person certification training course. So you want to find a doctor who's properly trained and that's using a proper product and becomes, it becomes so confusing. This is a very competitive, you know, kind of, you know, confusing field because, because so many people are jumping in to produce these products. So the quality vary greatly and they may not tell you the truth. So this is one reason I started my own stem cell company because I couldn't find a good, trustworthy company where I can just trust that they're going to make the product and not lie to me. It just, yeah, so this is, it's confusing. So you really have to do your research and find out if the product has what they claim that they have. So are the products, is it a cord blood product? So if you just umbilical cord blood that you will, you should know that there are very little MSC. So you think that we're, you know, I want MSCs, but they have less than 1% that are MSCs. If it's umbilical cord tissue cells, they may have a lot of MSCs, but they don't have all the beneficial mononuclear cells, endothelial progenitor cells and that are contained in the cord blood. So this is why I have this formulation where I put these different sources from the umbilical cord together. So we're getting all these different cell types because we know the different cells actually work together. They're synergistic. So know your, you know, know whether or not the doctor's trained and whether or not the product is trustworthy, this.

Would be a really good time to drop the name of your product. Also, I feel like the product I.

Develop is called Chara Core. So C H A R A core C O R E so that is from the company Chara Biologics, which I founded. And chara is the Greek word for joy. Because I, my mission in this world is to elevate the happiness level of the world, you know, so joy to bring more joy. And I think there's joy in healing, in the repair, because you're witnessing a miracle of the body, right? So there, there is joy in that. So it's okay to not be well, to be sick. But you know what? You can experience the joy when you start to repair and regenerate and witness your body's capabilities.

Awesome. Aptly named Dr. Joy. Like what's the difference between stem cells and peptides? I feel like they're both getting a lot of press right now for Similar reasons. You know, I know that a lot of peptides will claim to do different things. Do you use those synergistically?

I do, yeah. I use both in. In our clinic. I do think they're very synergistic. So peptides are little short sequences of amino acids secreted by. By cells. So they're made by cells. Cells, of course, contains DNA, which is the mothership. It's the intelligence, the blueprint that can tell you what to do and can secrete relevant peptides that your body needs. So the. The cells can secrete peptides, growth factors, different types of exosomes. These are little packages that contain a lot of like a micro RNA has also various growth factors. So the cells are what's producing peptides. And peptides is one of the. It's like a language the cells are giving instructions to. The DNA is allowing the cells to make different peptides for different situations. The beauty of peptides is that it's very specific. I think there are 300,000 different kinds of peptides that we have discussed. That way we know that there are. So it's overwhelming, right? We're literally a soup of peptides. So we. That's going around your body, that's telling your body different part of your. Your cells and. And you know what to do. So the cells are the intelligence behind what gets secreted. So you cannot replace stem cells. And this stem cells are the mothership. You know, you can't. You can't replace that. But peptides can be very helpful because, let's say a person comes to me with cardiovascular issues. There are peptides that are more specific to help repair the cardiovascular system or someone with immune dysregulation or peptides just for that or something for the brain. So I can really tailor what signals I'm sending it to the body along with the stem cells. So they kind of. They can, you know, augment the benefits. So I think it's important to utilize all the tools that we have. So in our clinic, we, you know, don't just use, you know, stem cells and peptides. We use ozone therapy. We use different supplements. We use laser light as a form of therapy. We can use sound, you know, certain shockwave. There's so many things that we can utilize and. And kind of getting into different angles at the rejuvenative capability of the body.

Where's your clinic located?

It's in Los Angeles.

Okay, cool. So, all right, and then you're. And you. You stay in California then?

Yeah, it's called Chara Health. So People just look up Chara Health. Yeah. We have people who fly from all around the world. And what's funny is that, you know, people think that, that we have to go overseas. And of course, there's tremendous prestige of Europe and, you know, everyone is like bowing down to anything Germany or Switzerland does. Oh, my God, it must be the best. People don't realize that United States leads the way in stem cell therapy in the world. We have the most amount of research, you know, far ahead of any other country. The next to the US Is China conducting stem cell research. But we are still the leader. And as far as the number of providers, it just is blowing up. It's just funny because we're all kind of, you know, not quite out in the open in the sense that we're advertising that we do stem cell therapy. Because guess what? Certain entities won't let you advertise. Google, Instagram, Facebook, they basically said, oh, we don't approve. We think that this is part of miracle cure category. Never mind. These are not medical professionals. They haven't read all the research from around the world, but they're making medical decisions. They say, oh, these are miracle cures. So we can't let you advertise. So basically, doctors cannot advertise, so no one knows who's doing what. And then some doctors are scared of being targeted by the FDA or medical board, and then they just won't mention it on their website.

I get shut down for, like trying to advertise protein on Facebook all the time. Like protein and aminos, they don't like that either.

You serious?

But guess what I just bought off of a Facebook ad. Yeah, Mushrooms. Psilocybin. Yeah. Just bought it off of an Internet ad.

Okay, we'll see how that works.

So that's fine. But protein, no go.

Wow. Wow. Mind boggling. Yeah. The kind of control. Yeah, so, but even with that kind of control and censorship, the number of clinics, stem cell clinics, have quadrupled in the last five years. So that's the latest statistic I've read. So that just shows you why it's a grassroots movement. You can't stop it. So at one point they just have to say, okay, all right. So everyone is doing it and it has been proven very, very safe. It's helping all these conditions. So they have to change their approach. They can't just say, you can't do it. Let me tell you, if you. I'll pull up my pda, right? My drug information compilation. You tell me any drug, I'll pull it up. And I'll show you the side effects. Incredible amount of serious side effects and then just common side effects. If stem cell therapy has like any one of those serious, not even common, you know, like some of any of those side effects almost that, you know, I think will be shut down, you know, this is how. This is how safe it is. I challenge people to go on. But just remember, every medical treatment is operator dependent. Right. If you inject stem cells into places you shouldn't be injecting to, like the eyeballs that you don't know what you're doing. Like a clinic in Florida that got shut down, they injected people in the eyeballs, I think. Blinded three people, and they injected two at a time. You never do that. You don't do two eyes at a time. So it's operator dependent. Just like surgery. Right. There are all kinds of surgeries and let's say a knee replacement surgery, and there's a bad surgeon that did a terrible job, somebody died. Do you ban the surgery? Do you say this surgery is from now on, you know, not available because, you know, is shut down? You don't do that. Right. It's not about the surgery. So it's not about the stem cells, about the operator and how they're operating. So just keep that in mind.

Gotcha. But it's not petroleum based and available from a large pharmaceutical company. So it's not. It's not. Okay.

Yeah, we're. We're definitely, you know, out of the box there. So not. Not welcome. Yeah, for now.

For now. So I got a kind of a random question I want to wrap up with. But, like, this is. This is kind of a grassroots thing. Like you said, we're growing. It's quadrupled in the last five years. Is there a place that, like, if you're looking to, like, invest or take advantage of some of the advancements in stem cells that you would be able to, like, you know, outside of becoming a doctor and opening a stem cell clinic, where would someone go to take advantage of this emerging technology?

Talking about from a monetary standpoint.

Yeah. And this is completely 100% just something that I want to know.

I guess you could look for stem cell companies. I mean, that's. That's one possibility.

Char Health not going public yet.

No, no. No intention for that or for clinics. And there, you know, that. I think it's. It's. The potential is astronomical. So you can definitely invest in either of the. The two, you know, the product provider or the clinic, you know, providing the services. But as far as Individuals how they want to take advantage of this new technology for themselves. I think if you would like to slow down the rate of your decline that comes with aging, and if you would like to even reverse that, become younger, then you will be a fool not to take advantage of it, because this is the first time in history we can actually do that. This is powerful because I'm kind of a guinea pig for it. I wasn't doing stem cells with that in mind at the time. I thought I just wanted to have good functions and, you know, I want to feel, you know, even more vibrant. Right? So eight years ago, that's when I started doing stem cells. But what I can tell you is that it has reversed my age. So. And I do believe your skin, your face, is a reflection of what's inside your body. But if you just look at my pictures from now. So I'm 53 years old, I can show you pictures of me when I was 43. I definitely look a lot younger. So that is the side effects of doing regular IV stem cells. And I have a lecture online called Anti aging benefits of stem cells. I actually presented all kinds of evidence. A lot of them are animal studies, some human studies, but a lot of animal studies where you can actually study lifespan. Giving old animals young stem cells reverted everything back to a younger state. So they. They've categorized that by. By testing for neurotransmitters, growth factors, senescent markers in the animals.

That's wild. Okay. Yeah, I'm in. I'm. I'll come. I'm gonna come right over. By the way, if you're just listening to this and you're not watching on YouTube or something like that, Dr. Joy looks like she's, like, 26. So when you said face, like, reflects how. What's happening on the inside, I was like, oh, that's bad news for me. Dr. Joy, this has been amazing. This has been really, really fascinating. Something that I think that a lot of people should look into. I personally am going to start, like, using some of these things, because I would like to reverse aging. I want to live to be 150. Why not? Tell me, like, what would. What do you want to leave us with today?

Definitely respect your body. So I think a lot of people, when they put bad things into their body, when they don't exercise, they don't, you know, respect. This is a gift, right? You. You. You staying in this body for some time. This is a gift. So respect your body and take control of your own health. Don't trust. Put all your faith in doctors. I mean, this is, this is sad. I'm a doctor. So medical mistakes are the third leading cause of death. Right. And those are medical mistakes. There are a lot of things that doctors are doing. The medications they're giving you, they're not mistakes. They're just regular medical practice. And those can also lead to severe decline and diseases. And those are not even counted. So I think effectively your doctor has become, you know, I hate to say it sounds so drastic, you know, a, you know, effective way of causing your decline, to put it mildly. So you may want to really take control of your own health. Yes, you go to doctors for some guidance, but don't think that what they say is like from the Bible. No, they are still on their way and they have their limitations. So really take responsibility for yourself.

I love that. Thank you for leaving. That coming from a doctor. Don't trust doctors. Take control of your own health.