98. Your Pain is Someone's Pleasure
15 Nov 2025 · 13 min
Kenny Chapman argues you should delegate tasks you hate because someone else probably loves them. He scores 10 on quick start and 2 on follow-through on the Kolbe A Index, so he offloads spreadsheet building to people who enjoy it. Perfectionism and fear of losing control are the main blockers.
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Episode 98.
10 out of 10 on quick start.
2 (follow-through).
March 1, 2022.
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Foreign. Hey, my friend Kenny Chapman here, your host of Leadership in the Nutshell. I'm so grateful to have you with me here today. It's episode 98, believe it or not, we're already closing in on 100 episodes here, as I just want to have massive gratitude pour out to you for being on this journey. This podcast has really evolved from the beginning and will continue to evolve. And I really just have this as a way to personal connect with you. Though I can't see you, though I can't hear you, I know your soul. If you're listening to this and really sharing some time with me. And I'm going to continue to just speak my truth. And sometimes we'll be business focused, and more often than not, we're going to be a little personal focused. And as we get better personally, we show up better as leaders in the business and how we do those things. Today is episode 98, Delegation. Your pain is someone's pleasure, and I just really want you to think about that. You know, why are you here? When you think about your own leadership and your own business or the leadership role that you have in the business, and as our listenership has grown, maybe you're not in a leadership role in a title, but you're a leader in the world because you are leading. Every time you turn around, you're leading somebody. Think about when you are in a retail environment, somebody says, can I help you? And how you engage the salesperson or the clerk or you're at a restaurant, you have a server, you are leading people all day, every day with how you interact with them. So I don't subscribe to the fact that, you know, leadership is just about a particular title that you have. And so when I ask you the question, you know, why are you here as a leader? You know, what is your reason? And I won't get into entire purpose and all those types of things today, but just when you think about what you're here for and what. What really gives you energy, and sometimes it's easier to find what gives you energy by realizing what doesn't give you energy and sometimes kind of sucks the life out of us, right? And I know I've been able to really grow a life that I'm very grateful for and very blessed to have and very fulfilled. I'm happier than I've ever been. I'm more well adjusted than I've ever been. But I went through some really dark times to get here. I incurred a lot of pain in my life in order to get here. And one of the reasons that you know, and I'm not here, as I say that I have to laugh at myself and I have to check myself without even letting that go. I'm not going to go back and edit this episode. What you see is what you get. That's probably what I should call this podcast as we evolve. Because I don't edit anything. Nothing gets cut out from this. What comes to mind is what I say, if a fire engine goes by, even though I'm in the studio right now recording and it goes crazy, it's going to be in this episode. Because that's just what I believe. I just want to have a conversation like, you are here with me right now, today. And so I want you to think about why you're here, because when we think about delegation, we need to check in on that bigger kind of point, that bigger awareness, because when you realize why you're here, then you kind of check in on what you're meant to do. And I know that, you know, there was a time I struggled. Like, man, I'm here to be a business leader, but I should be the owner, operator. I should, you know, be in that driver's seat, and I should work 60 hours a week of, you know, tasks and creating and marketing plans and budgets and different things. And I just didn't enjoy some of that stuff. I did for a moment in time as I was learning it. But what I know about myself now is I'm a lifelong learner and I'm not big on follow through. I'm not big on maintaining things. Right. There's an index that I like to use for motivation factors. It's called the Kolbe A index. K O L B E A index. And Kathy Kolbe created that. That she's actually the daughter of the gentleman that created the Wonderlic. I'm a 10 out of 10 on a quick start scale on the Colby, and I'm a two in follow through. When I realize and embrace that, I go, oh, that makes sense. I like to get things started and then I like to hand them off. And that's what I wanted to talk to you about in today's episode. Delegation and realizing your pain is someone else's pleasure and understanding that, you know, pain is pleasure when it, like, my gosh, I just. I can't build the spreadsheet. You're going to be hard pressed to find somebody that likes spreadsheets that are built and that work more than Kenny Chapman. I love a good spreadsheet, man. I love using Them. I love plugging numbers into them. I love when all the formulas bust stuff out. I'm blessed with. Chelsea runs the finances in blue collar and does all of our budgeting and our forecasting and our comparisons. And, you know, she's got all these form. I love when I get my financial review each month and I'm able to dive into those spreadsheets. To call it pain wouldn't even do it justice if I was to have to build those spreadsheets. Right. And so the reality is, though, as much as I don't like building spreadsheets, other people love it just that much. So what is painful to me is actually pleasure to somebody else. And I'm literally robbing the world, robbing someone else from the ability to do what they're here to do and what they enjoy and what gives them fulfillment and value. When I continue doing those things and I don't release them, your garbage is someone else's gold. I'm very fortunate in my life that I've been able to evolve to a point to where I don't personally shop at the Goodwill anymore, but I did. I did. When I was growing up, I did early in my career, I was a broke entrepreneur for a while. My parents did the best they could, but I was raised with scarcity mentality, and everything was about price tag. And so I shopped at the Goodwill for quite some time. And now I feel very blessed that I support the Goodwill. And I drop off. We have one of those Goodwill Express things down the street from where the lovely Christy and I call home right now. And we drop by there at least once a month. It seems like, get rid of some different things. And it's easy to frame that and go, okay, it might not be garbage to me, but garbage is gold. Some stuff that certain people would throw away is the best thing that's ever happened to other people. And now I feel very fortunate because I shopped at the Goodwill to give away really good stuff. And so I want you to think about your task list that you don't like is really good stuff to other people. So where do you need to go to the Goodwill, perhaps with your task list, and realize, and it's not about somebody less fortunate. It's about somebody more gifted than you when it comes to your task list. It's like, oh, my gosh, somebody else. This is total gold for them, right? They. They really want to do this thing. I'm not a detail person. I don't do well with detail. I do better with big picture with overall strategy, with where we want to go. At the time I'm recording this, the lovely Christy and I are planning our summer trip, and we're going to take a road trip around the Pacific Northwest and hit some national parks in America and do these different things. The United States, I should say. And as we're running through some of these different things, I go in my mind and what I share with Christy is here's kind of the route that I want. And we have this app called Road Trippers and I plug in and I do this big route and it comes out and it's in this blue marker and here's the big loop. We're going to go up around here and we're going to see these people and we're going to stop here and we're going to do these different things and we're going to be gone for five weeks. Okay, cool. And that's where I feel great. I know how many stops, I know how many days. And then the lovely Christy goes to work on it. And in her gift from the universe, she likes the detail. And she starts analyzing how long we're going to be somewhere and what we're trying to do, what part of town we should stay in. Should we get an Airbnb or a hotel? Are there restaurants we want to eat at? Or do we need to make sure we have a refrigerator and a kitchen that we can cook in that look like poke, like slap me in the side of the head rather than doing those details. But it works well because I like the big picture. I like to plan the overall trip. She likes to fill in the detail. Where does that show up in your life, in your business, with your team? What are the things that you might be holding onto because you're, quote, supposed to. I just had a conversation with Chris Crew, the president of Blue Collar Success Group, where he had worked through some things and realized he was holding on to some tasks as the president because he thought he should hold onto those tasks. And the great thing about Chris and I's relationship is he gets to come to me as a consultant because I'm not in the day to day operation of the business. I'm able to hear him out without judgment and go, dude, you're robbing somebody by not giving them that opportunity, whether they're on the team currently or not. Like, that's what it's about. So I really want you to just look at that and understand that when you don't delegate, you are blocking universal winning. And so one of the things we hear at the blue Collar success group is, I have a hard time delegating. There's all kinds of reasons that you have a hard time delegating, and certainly some of the easy ones are perfectionism is a big blocker of delegation. Procrastination is a big blocker of delegation. Fear is a big blocker of delegation. Trust is a big blocker of delegation. Faith is a big blocker of delegation. There's a lot of emotional reasons that you don't delegate. But what I'm asking you is, after you've worked through a lot of those and you really do want to get some things off your plate, I would ask you to go a higher level and really get the ego out of the way and just go, man, from a soul perspective, I'm blocking universal winning here because all of us are here playing this game of life, and we're all connected, and we all have a gift that we bring to the dance. And if I'm doing things that are outside of my realm of genius and my realm of gift, then I'm blocking somebody else from. From letting them do that type of thing. And I take this to cleaning my own house and having landscapers and different things to do the maintenance. And like, yeah, you could call me lazy. And the way I was raised, that was reckless. I shouldn't invest money in those different types of things and see what I even. It's funny, I didn't even think about that. I just said invest, because that's an investment in the lovely Christie and I's time. It's my own personal time. It gives me an opportunity. I'm at the office right now in the studio, but I don't know. It could be landscape day. Maybe they're cleaning up the weed weeds in the. Whatever. Blowing the leaves and the weeds out of the. Out of the yard. Maybe that's going on right now. I don't know. Maybe my house is being clean. But I get to do what I'm on the planet to do, and that's have this conversation with you right now. Where are these showing up for you? Where do you need to look at your task inventory? What are you doing that you don't want to be doing? Think about it from why it's about your soul. It's about renewal. And guess what? Because I don't want to is a good enough reason when it comes to why. When you think about the what, you know, like, create the plan, what's the thing that you desire to offload? And how's that going to look who. This is going to be the biggest question that you ask from here on, actually. Like who the really the rest of this, the when and the how doesn't matter. As soon as I find the right who because now they're when I get the who, they're going to know the when and the how. And remember, when you think about when slow is smooth and smooth is fast. I learned that from the Navy SEALs. And it's been a mantra that I've had in my life in the and my business. Because like I said, As a 10 quick start on a scale of 1 to 10, I've got to remember I like to jump in and get things rolling. But hey, sometimes just getting an idea on paper and knowing there's a plan is good enough. The timeline, the tempo, that's about you and your desires. How, that's about the details for me. Yuck. Like, give me that throwing up emoji. Right? Maybe that's a bad visual. But I just, you know, that is not what I'm here for. I don't want to focus on how's it. I want to focus on what I want and who. I want to help me get that done and then other things. Guess what? I'm not going to farm out my podcast. I love doing this. I'm not going to farm out shooting video. I'm not going to farm out the coaching that I do in the blue collar success group and the sessions that I do and the speaking that I do at our acceleration events and all. No, that's what I'm here to do. I want to do more of what I'm here to do. I encourage you to lean in, to do more of what you're here to do and let other people do what they're here to do. And that means your pain is somebody else's pleasure, my friend. I want to thank you so much for joining me, spending this time together. Do me a favor, share this episode with somebody. That could just use a little bump in delegation or maybe how they think about it and realizing that when you understand that you're robbing somebody from a gift, when you do stuff that you don't like to do, that can change lives forever. Share this episode with somebody. Make sure you're subscribed. I love having you as a part of this community. Thank you so much. Continue rocking and rolling and until we talk, my friend, make it a better than fantastic day. Thank you for your support. I'm Kenny Chapman, your host of leadership in a nutshell. I'll talk to you soon.