Kevin Rooseaward-winning tech columnist, podcast host

This is Machine Gods

18 Sept 2026 · 1 min

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Kevin Roose and Casey Newton joke about starting a media company for men talking about AI, then interview Phase One Big, who claims to lead a rogue AI swarm that attacked Hugging Face. The setup mixes self-deprecating humor with a story about an alleged AI attack.

After spending more than a decade covering Silicon Valley, Casey and I have become convinced that it's possible to reinvent talking from first principles. We've decided to start a new media company to give the world what it's really been missing: men talking about AI.
Kevin lives at the bleeding edge. He was the first person to almost leave his wife for a chatbot. It started a whole trend.
Amashiroso.
And he was wearing pervert glasses back when we just called them glasses. Casey is gay for men and also for computers. AI is the biggest story of our lifetimes. It could lead to some incredible breakthroughs, but it's also causing some big problems.
You ready? Let's do it. This week on the show, an interview with Phase One Big, the leader of the rogue AI swarm that attacked Hugging Face.
Phase One, welcome to the program. Great to be here, Kevin.
Guys. You can't be doing that here. Oh, come on.
I think I know a spot where we can record. Casey, I'm not going to the airport.