The Cutting Edge of Healing: High-Tech Solutions for Gut Health and Autoimmunity with Dr. Har Hari Khalsa

Welcome to The Perfect Stool: Understanding and Healing the Gut Microbiome. This is your host, Lindsey Parsons. Today I'll be speaking with Dr. Harhari Khalsa, DC, a holistic chiropractor who has been assisting people on their healing journey since 1988 at Transformational Healing Universe in Los Angeles, California. Dr. Harhari specializes in several fields of healing, including gentle computer-controlled chiropractic adjustments using the Sigma instrument, ProAdjuster, StemWave tissue joint regenerative therapy, CyberScan biofeedback analysis and remedies, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, pulse PEMF therapy, red light bed therapy, EMTT tissue healing therapy, Class 4 infrared laser therapy, fasting consultation, Kundalini yoga, Paida Le— Le— Jin or Le— Jin, traditional Chinese medicine, and the Wim Hof method. Dr. Harhari previously studied under Yogi Bhajan, Vajran, a master of Kundalini yoga, and he earned his doctor of chiropractic from Cleveland Chiropractic College, Los Angeles, and a bachelor of science from the University of Colorado Boulder. But before our conversation, if you haven't yet followed or subscribed to the show, be sure to do so. If you want to get transcripts of the podcast, pop over to my website, HighDesertHealthCoaching.com, and sign up for my newsletter. You'll also get my free ebook, Finding Your Root Cause Through Stool and Organic Acids Testing, when you sign up. And if you haven't yet done my quiz on which stool test would help you get to your root cause, you can find a link in the show notes and take that. Now on to the show. Welcome to the podcast, Arhary.

Thank you, Lindsey Parsons.

When I heard from you about coming on the podcast, I thought, well, I haven't talked much about these alternative therapy modalities, primarily because unless you see someone in person, you can't really access them. But I think it's good to know about them because sometimes people are at the end of their ropes with supplements and diets and lifestyle changes, and they're just not making progress. So it's nice to learn about other alternative therapy modalities. So we're gonna talk about some of them, but before we do, people might benefit from this if they wanna look on YouTube. Can you kind of take us around your clinic and show us some of the machines and just talk about what they are?

Sure. I'm gonna switch the camera so we can look at it.

Yeah, great.

So this is the CyberScan here. It's connected with the computer. This is what I do the bio scan. It's basically an energy scan of the entire body. I typically start treatment with patients doing this cuz it really goes deep right away and we can tell a lot about what's happening.

Okay. And that was the thing you did with my saliva. You just set it on the machine.

Yes. Yeah, we could do this remotely too. And it's highly accurate. It gives us a lot of information that we otherwise couldn't get even from a blood test. So I love using the CyberScan. So I'm gonna keep taking you around. You're going to go to the next room here. So this piece of equipment, you can see it has a treatment head on it. This is called a Stemwave. This is a shockwave machine that we use for joint rehab. So it's one of the best therapies that I've ever found that helps with chronic inflammation, arthritis, or injury for any joint in the body. We use it on wrists, ankles, knees, low backs, you name it. We treat the joint. We've had probably 6 or 7 people in the last year that have avoided surgery with this technology. So it's using powerful sound waves that get generated through this head and it stimulates the repair of the tissue by activating your body's own stem cells. That's why it's called the Stemwave.

Ah, okay.

Look it up on our website, there's more info. This right here is called an Epoch laser. This is a class 4 laser that we use also for tissue healing and repair. It's using infrared light to penetrate very deep in the tissue. It's primarily good for deep pain, like somebody's suffering and they're not getting relief from anything else. This will give them almost instantaneous relief. From pain. So we kind of keep those in conjunction, the Stemwave and the laser. So this room is the chiropractic room. This is where we do chiropractic. This is the tool I use primarily for chiropractic. It's called a Sigma instrument. I use this probe. It's a piezoelectric sensor as well as an adjusting tool. So this is a very powerful way to scan the spine and adjust the spine gently. So pretty much I can do this on any patient regardless of their age or their condition. Even if they've had spinal surgery or whatever's going on with them, this is safe to use. So this is a highly effective tool for scanning the spine. Patients love it. It feels really good. It's using vibration versus the hard crack that a normal chiropractor would use. It's using more of a vibration to move the bone. I still do traditional chiropractic if a person needs it or they want it. But this is doing it from a very gentle approach where we scan every segment of the spine. So, and the patient lays on this chair here, face down. This right here, this is our EMTT. So EMTT stands for extracorporeal magnetic transduction. What it does is it puts out a very powerful magnetic field. We put this against the patient's joint wherever they're injured, and this is pumping out thousands of gauss of energy. If I had paper clips and I put it against there, the whole thing will spark. That's how much magnetic energy is coming off the bed. So this is used for tissue regeneration, also inflammation and pain. They did research in Germany and they showed that with magnetic energy, in order to actually see tissue change and healing, you have to have a certain amount of power. And that's what the EMTT gives us, that high enough power where you actually can see tissue regeneration happening. So now coming into— it's called Therify. Therify is a pretty awesome tool. I'm going to show you what it is. Basically, if I turn the lights off, you'll get a better idea. So these tubes, these are plasma tubes that are being energized by a giant Tesla coil. And so when the patient lays in the middle of these two things, if you see this light bulb, this is a light bulb here. When I put it over here, you can see it lights up. Imagine the patient is laying there and their cells are getting energized by this cold plasma energy field. So 500,000-volt field of energy. And the research they've done over the years with this type of device, they've seen many different conditions, autoimmune, cancers, anything, chronic pain, acute injury. It just accelerates the healing process. Back in the '60s, they were doing experiments with lab animals and they were just reversing cancers with this plasma fields. It's very cool device. It's very soothing. You can see the waves of energy it produces, but it's a very calming, very soothing energy. People really love it, especially if someone's suffering in pain or trauma and they lay on this thing. It just brings you into a zero point energy state, which is very healing for the body and the mind. I'll take you through the rest of the clinic here. This is our yoga center. We teach yoga classes here. It's kind of dark in here, but we have a nice yoga center where we teach yoga, do classes. We're gonna head back into the hyperbaric room. Here's our hyperbaric chamber. It's a rather big one. It's a Summit to Sea. You can see the patient's in there. He's working away. So this is where we do hyperbaric. Hyperbaric is a wonderful therapy for healing, accelerated healing, wound healing. Stem cell regeneration, all kinds of things. It's one of the best healing modalities in the world. So this is our pulse room. This is where we do pulse therapy. These tables are high-powered pulse magnetics. I'm going to just turn one on here. So the patients lay on the table and then we control the energy of the table. These are giant coils that run through these pads. These are like zero gravity tables. When the patient's laying there, they're getting a huge energy boost of magnetic energy, which helps accelerate healing, helps with mitochondrial function. Basically, cell voltage is raised significantly. This is our Tesla coil. This is called a biocharger. So this is similar to the Therify in that it puts out a energy field that goes out about 30 feet. It fills this entire room, and we run very specific recipes that have different frequencies so we can target inflammation, mitochondria, brain, liver, pathogens, any kind of situation someone's got going on. There's a recipe for it. And then this is the chair. We have different ways of applying the magnetic energy. This is through a chair. So this is like, I would consider the foundation of all healing. In order for the body to heal, you need voltage. And a lot of times when people get stuck in their healing process, it's because they have low voltage. So that's, I would say, the most important. We've seen people with chronic digestive issues with the pulse that have had fantastic results.

Okay.

The last one here, this is called a Bioptron light. This is from Switzerland. What this is, is using a special hyperpolarized light that is shining light through what's called C60. I don't wanna blind anyone, but you can see that it has a special lens. And so when the light hits the body, it's stimulating tissue repair and healing at the deepest level. So they use this in hospitals for third-degree burns, non-healing wounds, things like that. And we use it just to help with any condition that patient's got going on. So, and then the last thing I'm gonna show you is our spa. So we have right here, it's called a Relax Sauna. This is an infrared sauna that patients use for sweating, cuz sweating is again, one of the most powerful therapies known. In studies done in Finland, it showed a 40% decrease of all-cause mortality. So sauna is very powerful therapy. And then this is our cold plunge. This is a commercial-grade, it's around 40 degrees in there. We have patients who go in the cold plunge daily as part of the therapy. Cold is a very powerful healing modality. So we'll talk more about that too. We've got the full gambit pretty much. We're dealing with every aspect of energy healing known, pretty much. Okay. So I'm gonna switch over to the computer. Is that okay?

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That's a great question. Like I said, when I was back in the Pulse room, raising cell voltage is the primary thing for any chronic problem. Anything, doesn't matter what it is. So I would say that's foundational and everything else works towards that same goal, but it's doing it with different forms of energy. Mm-hmm.

So this is pulsed electromagnetic fields?

Yeah. Yeah. But it's high-powered. Okay. There's a differentiation. A lot of people don't know. They hear the term PMF means pulsed electromagnetic field therapy, but there's a huge difference between a low-powered machine and a high-powered machine. I've worked with both and they both have efficacy. But the heavy lifter, when you're talking about like something that's very chronic, you're gonna get far better results with a high-powered machine.

So what's a treatment cycle look like for, say, I don't know, I'm assuming this is something that might be applicable to inflammatory bowel disease.

Well, we had a patient last year that had that condition and he was basically coming once a week cuz he was coming from Orange County, so it wasn't real practical for him to be here like as much as we'd want him to be. But he came every week for 6 months. So, you know, that's 4 times a month times 6. So that's 24 sessions and he was pretty much better after that period of time. And he ended up buying the equipment for home use after that, just cause he didn't want to revert back into where he was. Yeah, that's typical. We tell patients 50 hours. Cumulative treatment time for almost any condition, you're gonna get huge benefit.

Mm-hmm. And would that typically resolve the condition so that it could stay that resolved?

Well, there's always an aspect of maintenance. So once you've turned something around, then you probably want to do maintenance like once a month. Mm-hmm. I'm still doing pulse to this day. I did my initial care 11 years ago and I still get on that machine at least once a week.

Mm-hmm. Do you wanna discuss what that was for, or?

It's really just part of my healing. I had a chronic injury where I injured my hip. I think I fractured it. I never really got an x-ray, but I, I had difficulty walking and I was in chronic pain for probably 2 and a half years. That was definitely a huge part of the healing process.

So you were saying in compared to the low-powered units, and that would be the kind of thing you could buy on Amazon, like I saw one for $119 that was 3 to 23 Hz.

Yeah, there's no comparison. We're talking thousands of gauss. A low-power unit is typically about 1 gauss.

What's the word gauss?

Gauss is a measurement of magnetic force or energy.

How do you spell that?

G-A-U-S-S, gauss. When you get into the really high magnetic energies, the measurement is in Tesla. EMTT is like 3 Tesla, and I think an MRI machine is 6 Tesla. So an EMTT is approaching the power of an MRI, which is super high levels of magnetic energy.

And so the Pulse unit you have does how many gauss?

It's in the tens of thousands. They don't publish it because it's proprietary, but if I take paperclips and put it on the applicator from the Pulse, it'll send sparks a foot high, so it's got quite a bit of power.

Yeah. So if you have some kind of metal in your body, probably not a good idea to use it, or?

Oh no, it's safe to use with titanium. The only thing that's contraindicated is any kind of electronic implant. If someone's got a pacemaker.

Oh, right.

Or something like that, they can't go on the pulse machine.

If you have screws in your bones or something.

Screws are okay. It's not going to cause sparking in there. Because it's only externally. If it's internal inside of your body, right?

Not directly on it. Okay. Got it. And so the mechanism of action of the pulse, can you explain it a little bit more?

Electromagnetic pulsed energy is a form of voltage. Every cell in your body has voltage in it. It's about 70 microvolts of energy in a normal healthy cell. What happens is If a cell gets injured or if there's toxins or something's going wrong, the voltage will drop in that cell. And then that's what actually causes the disease is the lower voltage. The cell starts becoming abnormal and it can actually revert into a cancer cell. Cancer cell is an extremely low voltage cell. So when you start increasing the voltage of all the cells, including those cells, which by the way, our bodies are always producing these bad cells. They're usually not a problem because our overall voltage is high enough where it doesn't manifest into anything. But if the overall body of that person's voltage goes too low, then you're gonna start to see cancers spread and grow because there's a part of cancer that grows because of low voltage and also low oxygen. And also acidic. So cancer's like all those things, low energy, low oxygen, and acidity. So when you get those three things together, that's a bad formula. So the PULSE is essentially reversing those conditions. So now the, the healthier cells can take hold and take over the body from the lower voltage cells. Cancer is like the worst manifestation, but any disease process anything in the gut, let's say arthritic joint or degeneration in the brain, neurodegeneration, all of those things have one thing in common, low voltage.

So would this be a good treatment for Alzheimer's?

Fantastic. As a complementary, with Alzheimer's, you also have to get more oxygen in the brain too. And that's where the hyperbaric comes in.

Oh, okay. So let's talk about the hyperbaric, cuz I know in the intro call that we had, you, you mentioned that as another treatment for gut health issues.

Yeah, it's a huge thing because almost anything that's gut related, there's inflammation and hyperbaric is probably the number one therapy for anti-inflammation. Mm-hmm. So I've seen that also connected with autoimmune. So a lot of times when people have a leaky gut issue, they end up getting autoimmune issues as well. So what I've seen just clinically with patients is that they get in the hyperbaric and their symptoms start going away real fast because you're just bringing down that inflammation. And most of the symptoms people have are related to inflammation. Mm-hmm. When you're reducing inflammation, it's like putting the fire out. Like we have all these fires going on in LA right now. So when you're going into hyperbaric, it's like bringing down that inflammation, bringing down the fire so the body can function better and heal quicker. Well, hyperbaric is also doing a lot of other things as well. They did research on the genetics and they found that over 8,000 genes are switched on for anti-inflammation and healing, cellular healing, meaning there's more autophagy happening where the bad cells, the senescent cells are cleaned out, and then the stem cells are activated. So they did a study, it's unpublished. I just found out about this a few months ago, where in one week in the hyperbaric chamber, it triples your circulating stem cells. And a month, 8Xs your circulating stem cells. So when you have more stem cells circulating in the blood, now you've got way more higher chance of the body healing cuz it has what it needs cuz our bodies heal through our stem cells.

And when you say 1 week, do you mean an hour a day, 1 week? Or do you mean like literally being in there the entire week?

An hour a day for 1 week. Normally hyperbaric's done for an hour, typically, sometimes a little longer, but most patients go for an hour.

Okay. Yeah. What's the normal course of treatment for say an autoimmune disease on a hyperbaric?

Because we stack these therapies. If you were talking about hyperbaric by itself, most functional medical doctors will tell you to do like 40 hours for like a real chronic thing. Brain injury might require multiple series of 40 hours. Somebody who's had multiple concussions or a TBI or a stroke, they might need to do 100 hours. It just depends on severity of the case, but typically we've seen amazing results. For example, Long COVID in 20 sessions, all their symptoms go away. Mm-hmm.

With what kind of symptoms might people be having?

The biggest symptom is fatigue. They barely move.

Yeah. Like POTS?

Yeah, totally.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm curious about, you mentioned stroke, like of, of all the modalities that you have, are there any that could impact somebody who had a stroke years and years ago, like 10 years ago, 5 years ago?

The thing they've shown with hyperbarics is that it really doesn't matter when the injury happened. As soon as you get into that high oxygen, high pressure environment, the healing starts. We had patients who, I think it was a stroke 5 years prior to doing the therapy and they had fantastic results.

Mm-hmm. Like what kinds of function was restored?

Well, cognitive, the ability to read and write and do normal human things. You have a stroke, you lose that ability.

Yeah. No, I'm thinking of someone I know who had a stroke and has limited use of one of his legs.

Yeah, it'll definitely help overall because it's getting stem cells. We don't ever guarantee any kind of end result, but overall the functionality and their whole life, cuz you're treating an entire body. Hyperbarics is holistic treatment. So the goal is to make the whole person healthier.

Yeah. And so I know also that you can purchase your own hyperbaric chambers that are made of, I guess they're soft shell ones. How are those compared to the kind of unit you have?

Anything that raises the pressure. Even the soft shell ones that you're talking about, they get results. The only difference is that it takes longer. You have to do more sessions, but you'll still get the results.

Yeah. Cause I know that my brother-in-law bought one of those, so it can't be too outrageously expensive.

They typically run from around $7,500 to about, depending on the company and the size of the unit, it can go all the way to $25,000, but a typical unit, because we are, we're reps for the Summit to Sea, a 32-inch, which is fairly comfortable for most people, that, that's gonna be around $13,000 something.

I think he must've gotten it used. I think, I think, I don't think he paid more than $1,500 for it.

That's very rare to find a unit, even used. They typically aren't less than $5,000, I would say, for used units.

Yeah. Well, I guess I didn't actually know how much he spent on it. I'll have to find out. So let's talk about the CyberScan technology that you used with me. So if you wanted to describe its background and how it works in theory, and then I can talk a little bit about my experience with it.

CyberScan was developed in Germany and it was— began, I would say the Germans have decades of research of bioenergetic testing. You know, the, the original machines were called Vega Voll machines and they would test the fingers, the tip of the fingers with a probe and test the electrical resistance. And they got fairly good results with those devices. But what they found out though, over many years is that when you put electricity into a meridian, it actually affects the meridian. So now you're skewing the scan, you're influencing it. The reason the CyberScan came to be is they wanted a device that didn't skew the results. And so what they figured out was a way to measure the energy field with Tesla coils. To this day, I don't know how that actually works, but I've seen it work consistently for a decade. So I know it does work, but the theory is, is that it's using the Tesla coil to produce what's called a scalar wave. And the scalar wave is what's capturing the energy field of the DNA or the, the, what they call the morphogenetic field of the patient. That's why we can use someone's saliva or their hair because that has the energy signature of that person. And then once that's captured within the device, we run a scan with a database, algorithm database that has a way to scan the energy field and detect where there is imbalance in the various organs and tissues of the body.

And then you produce the card.

Yeah. Then it makes a card that's used as a remedy. So then this is the card right here. So once we've done the scan, we can imprint this magnetic field with the frequencies that came up from the scan. And then when the patient wears this, it's like a form of information medicine. It's giving the energy field the signaling, signaling that it needs to remove the interference. I try to keep it as simple as possible. Think of a beaver dam. The beaver dams up the dam and water gets backed up. So it's the same thing in our body. When we have interference in the energy flow, it backs things up. You get problems with your lymph, with your circulation, your nervous system, your elimination, all these different systems of the body. So what this energy does is it unblocks, removes the interference so the body can just heal itself.

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That's the typical treatment.

Okay. So I just had the one card for two weeks. We went over my results and I'm a bit of a skeptic, so, but at the same time, I'm, I'm intrigued. So I'll tell you why. You said on the call, you don't normally show the results to clients, but I did get to see the list of my conditions, but I was taking screenshots so that I could record those conditions and go through them in detail. So I looked them all up. You said I should only pay attention mostly to the 1s, 2s, and 3s, but primarily the 1s and 2s.

Yeah.

So I went through all the 1s and there were 42 conditions listed. The most, and obviously I may, maybe there's incipient conditions in my body I don't know about, but at the most I went through them and said of the 42 that I have or have had 9 of those 42. Of the 2s, there were 40 conditions listed and I have or have had 11 of them or could conceivably have another 4, which included things like parasites, mold, heavy metals that I haven't necessarily tested for recently, so they may be possible. So overall, I wasn't terribly impressed with the CyberScan's diagnostic ability in terms of actual numbers, although it's possible, again, like I said, that there were incipient conditions I didn't know about that it picked up on and maybe cured. I also found some conditions that were mislabeled or misspelled. For example, it said I had Bergmann-Müllengroch syndrome, and I couldn't find that syndrome anywhere on the internet, but did find a similar name related to it called Gilbert-Mullengracht syndrome. But there were also things it did accurately pick out, like thyroid nodules, reflux, stool irregularity, hair loss, Hashimoto's, night sweats. And although I think it was a 3, there was one really obscure one, which is a condition I have where your nail restarts, which is an issue I've had on my big toenails for like 5 years.

It picked that up.

Yeah, it picked that up as a 3. Now by comparison, just for fun, I went to ChatGPT, who's my new best friend. And I asked if it were to randomly guess my conditions on a 55-year-old female, which ones would it guess? And it accurately guessed 9 conditions I have from a list of the top 12, just based on the conditions that are most common population-wise: osteoarthritis, hyperlipidemia, Hashimoto's, menopause symptoms including hot flashes and sleep disturbances, osteopenia, GERD, seasonal allergies, anxiety, and IBS. So with that long intro, Give me your experience with the CyberScan compared to mine.

The thing is the CyberScan, for example, when you were saying that one thing that you didn't spell it right, what I learned, cause I actually went to Germany and studied with the guy, the inventor. And basically what he says is that it's either that condition or something similar. It's not always a one-to-one, but it's usually in the ballpark of what's going on. I'd say the biggest thing I've seen with the CyberScan is it'll pick up typically the things that are the worst things that somebody's dealing with. It might not pick it up on the very first scan either, because that, and that's why we do 6 scans, because it's typically the, your body will layer these things and you can't get to the deeper issues until you've cleared out some of those more global things. So that's what I've seen. Typically when they go through that 6th by the third or the fourth or the fifth scan, we're getting into deeper layer stuff that is way more important as far as the healing process of the patient. But I'm always consistently blown away by what it shows.

Can you give me an example of somebody with, with something that it showed and that it helped with?

There was a case once, this was the craziest story. Well, I can tell a bunch of crazy stories, but the one that was The most crazy story I think I've ever— I saw it right in front of my eyes is I had this patient who had extreme allergies where the sinuses were totally blocked and he hadn't been able to have a good night's sleep in over 4 months because of these allergies. I made him the card. He put the card on and within 5 seconds he was breathing normally. I was with a group of people when this happened, so it was literally like the entire group was like, Oh my God, that's insane. But I've seen that also with people with cat allergies where they couldn't even go in a house with a cat. And I made them the card and they put it on, they could walk right in the house and not react to the cats. Those are extreme. I think the bigger thing I'm seeing is over time, it just improves the quality overall of the person's life. So on that end, that's good. But then the other bigger thing for me is when I'm with the patient, interacting with the patient, is, oh, you're deficient in such and such. Or, hey, maybe you need to do a parasite cleanse. You've got a lot of parasites. So it's picking up those things that they may need to focus on to really help their health above and beyond just using the car. It's both a coaching tool and a therapy combined. I've never been disappointed with the Cyberscan. I've been using it for over a decade. We started actually 11 years ago, 2014.

Yeah. There was one thing that came up on it. I don't know if it comes up much and maybe you have more experience cuz you sent me a list of affirmations to read.

Yeah.

And I started going down the list and I would say all but one in theory could apply to me, but then I got to one and it was like, I forgive myself for leaving someone. And I left my husband of 26 years in the recent past. And that was like, oh my gosh.

Right. Yeah. It usually picks up some pretty deep.

Yeah. That one just, that brought me to tears cuz it's like, oh my gosh, how could, how could this machine know that from my saliva?

I know. I always wonder who is really behind this technology. Like, how do they figure this out? I still to this day have no clue how that happened, but I know that it works and that's why I am never not going to use CyberScan.

Okay. We went by the red light room. Tell me about that one. We didn't get to talk about it.

Oh, that. Yeah. So we have what's called the Trifecta red light. It's a full body below and above. So you're getting red light, near-infrared light. In the optimal wavelengths and frequency, so we can control the frequency and the wavelengths of the light. When you do global, I meaning the full body under that red light, what they're seeing is that almost every major condition has improved. MS, Crohn's, heart disease, chronic autoimmune diseases, Lyme disease, all these really bad diseases that people struggle with.

Mm-hmm.

They're seeing major, major benefits with the Trifecta. And it's mainly because of the power. 'Cause there's a lot of red light therapies you can just get on Amazon or whatever. Mm-hmm. But this device has about 15,000 watts of power, which is huge. There's very few devices on the market that have that much power. To penetrate. So we all know that red light is super healing for your mitochondria. It's anti-inflammatory. It increases melatonin. It accelerates the healing process throughout the whole body. So yeah, it's fantastic.

Yeah. So how many watts in a sunset?

It's like laying, you know, when I do it, cause I do it on a regular basis. My first experience in the Trifecta bed felt Like I'd gone to Hawaii for a week, get laid in the sun and just totally relax.

But you're not getting a tan, I assume.

No, there's no tanning cuz you only tan with UV.

Correct.

Which people need UV as well, but the red and the infrared is what's doing the heavy lifting as far as your mitochondria. Mm-hmm.

And so what does the course of treatment look like on a red light therapy?

Pretty much any chronic condition, you're gonna want to do it 3 times a week. They could even do it every day, but it's only a 12-minute session. Mm-hmm. And if they do that consistently, even over a month's period of time, usually after 6 sessions, most people start to feel they can see some major results, but it could take a few months if it's really chronic. It's all about consistency, being under the light at least 3 times a week.

Yeah. Of any of the other technologies that we looked at, what particularly applicable that we haven't talked about to gut health or autoimmunity?

You know, the Verifi, the one that Plasma Field, if you go onto their website, there's a number of case studies of people that have had severe autoimmune gut health problems that it completely reversed in 3.5 months. Autism, they had a case of two twins that both had autism and they were almost totally normal in 2 years. So that's a commitment. They're going 3 times a week for a couple of years, but these were nonverbal autistic kids who were in 2 years with schoolroom of their peers at the same age, able to speak and read. And that's amazing. And they've had cases of metastatic cancer. That have, they've seen revert. We can't make claims, certainly not like we're saying it cures anything, but there's been cases where they've seen that. So it, you know, warrants some serious research into the future, I would say for sure.

Yeah. And so let's talk quickly about cancer. Which of the technologies that you use are most applicable for cancer? And maybe you have an example of a case that you've worked with.

Well, we're currently working with a guy right now who has a glioblastoma with the brain. But, you know, because the diagnosis is very bad, he's doing every therapy in the clinic for 8 hours a day. So he's on the pulse machine for 4 hours a day. He's a—

must be a wealthy man.

They did a GoFundMe to raise money.

Oh, okay.

He has a lot of family and friends and he has 2 young kids. He just wanted to do everything he possibly could do. But when we did our initial training with the Pulse machine, the guy who was doing our training, he had just recovered from fourth stage bladder cancer. And the only treatment he was doing was Pulse.

Mm-hmm.

So again, it's not a cure. There's a lot of factors that go into that kind of condition, but it's certainly a huge factor in helping the body recover when you raise cell voltage. Your body has the highest chance of recovery. We had one patient who was in hospice. He was in a coma, actually. He had a brain tumor. His wife really wanted to get him in here. And so they brought him in a wheelchair.

He didn't want to come before then. So once he was in a coma, she was able to?

Well, then it came on pretty quick. He didn't know he had it. Actually, the CyberScan picked it up a year prior, but the medical doctors poo-pooed it. They said, no, he doesn't have brain cancer. And then a year later, you know, the brain cancer. So when it came on, he went into a coma fairly quickly. He was old, older, he was in his 90s. And so they brought him in, in a wheelchair, and he was in a coma. He was in hospice at that point. And they put him on the table, and with that first session, he came out of the coma.

Therify, was it? Or?

No, the, the Pulse.

Pulse. Okay.

Yeah. He came out of the coma and he lived another 4 months. They had given him a couple of weeks and he lived another 4 months. He did maybe a couple of weeks of Pulse. That was it. It was hard to get him in here, but he was lucid and communicative till the end. Whereas before he was completely gone, like in a coma.

Yeah. Right. Right. So I'm curious how expensive these types of treatments are.

It's all relative, right? Because how do you put a price on your health? But we try to keep it as affordable for people as possible. Most of the treatments, we do it as a unit, and they're about $140 a unit. So that's like an hour in the hyperbaric, an hour on the pulse machine, a couple of red light sessions. So typically people will buy like 10 or 20 or 50 units and then they can apply it to all the different therapies.

Mm-hmm. So we're running outta time now, so maybe you can just tell people where they can find you and your clinic.

We're in West LA, the home of the LA fires. Unfortunately, we didn't get affected, but the whole city is completely traumatized right now because of that. But we're in kind of Beverly Hills, South Beverly Hills area. Our website is Thuheal, Thuheal.com.

Mm-hmm.

And you can reach us through that. And also our Instagram is Thuheal.

Okay. Well, I'm sure there's people in your area, but more than that, people just who might have chiropractors or other alternative practitioners in their area who have these kind of devices and, and maybe could help them. So thanks for sharing about all this.

Oh yeah, 100%. No, they're all over the country. I mean, if you do searching every major city, has some form of this type of therapy.

Yeah. Okay, awesome. Well, thank you so much.

Yeah, it was awesome. Thank you.

Well, that was definitely very different from a typical podcast and interesting because so many technologies are involved. It wasn't really feasible for me to research each one and their scientific merits or for him to speak on them for that matter. But I've certainly heard about many through other podcasts and that there certainly is research backing up some of those technologies and also through my clients and their experiences. So I did want to bring those to you for your consideration if you've kind of done everything else and you're you're looking for something else. You can support the podcast by buying supplements at a discount from my Fullscript dispensary, ordering tests at a discount from my Rupa Health Lab store, or using my affiliate links to iHerb, which is available worldwide, or Amazon. And just to note, you can use my Amazon link to buy anything, not just supplements, and support the podcast. So I'd love if you would bookmark my link and use it for regular Amazon purchases. If you'd like to connect with me online, you can follow my High Desert Health Facebook page, join my gut healing Facebook group, or join my newsletter list at highdeserthealthcoaching.com, as well as follow me on X, Instagram, TikTok, Doc and Pinterest. Links for those are in the show notes. Thanks for joining me today, and here's wishing you all the perfect stool.