Episode 09 : Redefining feminism for a radical future with @SafaHussein1

Foreign. Hello everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Matriarchal Voices by the Matriarchal Times. We have a very special guest with us here today. She is from India and she's a university student. So we have Safa Hussain. She's very passionate about waking women up to their power and she's doing a lot of work in this area. If you go to her social media you can see that she's very active there and she has strong opinions and we are very lucky to have her here with us today. So yes. Safa. Hi. You can.

Hi. Hi. I'm so happy to be here. This is probably the first time I'm doing an interview thing like something like that and I'm kind of nervous but also very excited because like being with like minded people, I just enjoy, I enjoy stuff like that.

So what got you into like being a very strong voice in women's matters? What prompted it? What brought you into this at such an early age?

Honestly, this question, this is something that I asked myself as well because ever since I was very, very young, like honestly 6, 7, 8 years old, I have always been this way. Like it, it has been so natural to me. I like ever since I was a child if an adult would do something which would seem, sorry, misogynistic that would actually bother me. I did not, I wouldn't understand why exactly it's bothering him but it would because when I was in, I think I was seven, eight years old, my teacher said that my skirt was too short and I'm like a child and my mom is arguing with the teacher and I'm like, are adults okay? And then it actually started when I turned 12, I discovered feminism because I always had it in me that I don't agree with the things that I see on tv, you know, a naked woman dancing in front of a fully clothed men. So it was very intrinsic to me. I just had to discover it in the material world is what I feel like. So I'll say I was born this way. To be honest, nothing really changed me but I was born this way.

That's interesting to hear. So like living in India, how do you think that these problems like present you with the culture and everything around? There must be some specific ideas that you have about Indian culture.

Okay, yeah. When it comes to India, first off, I love being an Indian, I love my country. But this is just my opinion as an Indian. I genuinely feel like India is a very order law and orderless country. Literally anything is happening and every single community is a minority. I Mean, it's hard to explain, but let's talk in the sense of like womanity and womanhood, right? India, I believe that it has some problems to it which no other country has. For example, when it comes to dowry system, right? In, in the system, first off, you are stigmatizing the existence of a single woman. If she's 21 and single, holy shit, that's such a problem. And then you are. In order for her to get married, she has to pay huge sum of money which something that her family has never even earned their own life. You have to pay that much money to a man and you have to pay for the entire wedding. And that's not it. Even after the marriage, the girl keeps getting tortured. We had so many dowry deaths, women would be burnt alive. And we had to run ads on TV on how to protect if you ever come across a burning woman. So this is one thing that when I tell my international Muslim friends from Saudi, from other countries, they like, the guys are just so shocked. Like what? The woman has to pay for the wedding. The woman has to pay dowry. And it's not only, it's like this is one of the things that I hate the most. Dowry system, I hated the most. But they are like when it comes to your religion, your caste, it is much worse. It is much worse. A Dalit woman will go through things that I as an upper caste woman cannot even imagine and maybe don't even know of. So religion, not only Hinduism, but every single religion has really radically been practiced misogyny. If it has not practiced other stuff, it has radically practiced misogyny. And that has become a part of India even till today, even though India is secular.

So I'm not sure that I misunderstood you. What do you mean by women burning? Like literally burning on fire?

Yeah, yeah. The in laws would set the woman on fire. And I, my mom personally knows women. My grandmother personally knows women who have been set on fire. Fire. My mom's friend. My mom and her friend are the same age. The friend is a born victim. She has burn scars on her face. And she's a single mother and she was a victim of this. She was burned alive. Tried to burn alive for dowry. So you can imagine how bad it was. And it's not something, something that happened, happened in the past. Right. It's something that still happens. Very prevalent.

Okay, so like you have rules and regulations. Like if you see someone burning you to just leave them alone. Is that what you meant? Like if you see someone on the side, I don't know Whether I heard.

You wrong, like, no, no, what I meant was that we had ads on TV which were basically giving tutorials to people like how you can protect a burning bride person. And they literally took the example of dowry because the cases were so high and they still are so high, even though dowry is illegal.

Okay, okay. So now it's illegal. Okay, so when it comes to these dowry systems, is it like only when it's an arranged marriage or is it something that happened?

Anyway, okay, so from what I know, like, from the memes and the things that people say, it is said that in a love marriage you are not, like, there's no dowry in it, but coming from a Punjabi family, it's like, if the woman is not paying dowry, it's like my status is like, low. You know, it's like a ego thing. Now, now they don't call it dowry, though. They call it gifts. So it's like, it's legal, right? It's gifts. Even though I'm against those gifts as well, I feel like. I feel like the guy should pay the woman. She's leaving everything to come to your house. In a country where marital rape is legal in India, and in that country, if a woman is marrying you, honey, you should worship her is what I believe.

Okay, so now that you mentioned. So we have heard, like, people saying that Delhi is the rape capital. So how accurate is this?

Okay, so I am. I was born in Delhi and I currently still live there. And honestly, I did not realize how bad Delhi has it until I. I made friends from different states of this country and especially women who used to live in Delhi and they moved away. Like, I have a friend. We are very close. She lived in Delhi for like, third. I don't know, 20, 30 years of her life. And then she moved to Mumbai. She tells me Delhi is horrific compared to Mumbai. She tells me that every single. Like, she's very, very matriarchal. Like, she's. She. She's just like me. And honestly, she's worse than me. She used to tell me she used to beat up guys in Delhi or almost every single day, almost every single time she went out because they're just doing something or the other. And I agree with that. Every single time I go out, every single time I have a story that this guy did this, he did that. Even if I'm with my family, even if I'm with my parents, something happens. And I honestly thought that this is something that, you know, maybe happens all over the country, but it is something that happens, especially in Delhi a lot. Like, I don't know what's wrong with the guys, but they are just so disrespectful. Like they treat you like a public property. Even in other parts of the country, North Indians are kind of have a bad name that these men are just very. They don't behave good with women. Right? So my friend told me that in, in Mumbai she goes out at night at 11pm, at 12pm she smokes. And it's like safe. It's, it's safe. It's, it's, it's much safer. Like of course there are, there is stuff there, but it's much safer than Delhi. And she's like, I'm never coming back to Delhi. And I'm like, I am living in hell. I did not even realize that.

Okay, so it's like basically, do you think there's a lack of awareness that's keeping these problems alive in India? Mostly since even you, with all your knowledge and all your like explorations and activisms and everything, if you didn't realize how bad it is around you, do you think that there are some women around who basically don't know what's happening to them and that's why they don't fight back?

One thing I will definitely say is that I. It is more like a subconscious programming. Because in India we have a culture called item songs right in it. It's like there has to be one mandatory song where a woman is half naked, dancing, objectifying herself and the lyrics are just so misogynistic. So I feel like this is something which does the subconscious programming in the minds of women that oh, I am created to as inferior to a male. I am created as someone who is born to serve a male or just an entertainment piece for male. First comes Bollywood, it is the biggest problem. And then we have religion, right? No matter which religion it is. I feel like all religions say teach the same bs. So even, even my mom, she has told me that when she was a child she was really, she was told how to be a good wife to her husband. And she was told so many messed up things. So it's like the subconscious programming which starts even before, before you are born. And what I mean by that is that if a woman is expecting a child or they are trying to have a baby, they will say something like, which means like be positive, it won't be a girl. Like even the thought of having a girl is so scary to people. Like they are okay with having a boy. But the thought, even the thought is not, is Rejected. We don't want a girl. So it is such a deep, subconscious programming that even till today, I see women who are having six daughters, seven daughters, just so they can end up having a boy or aborting the shit out of children so they can have a boy. I know women, and they're like working women. That's like my neighbor right now. So it's a subconscious programming which. I'll say it's a subconscious programming which starts with, since you're a child.

Okay, that's really disturbing, actually. I mean, if there were no women in the world, like, where are the rest of the human race going to come from? Hasn't. Haven't they realized that yet? So anyway, just wanted to ask you something a bit sensitive. Like, is pedophilia something that happens over there when it comes to underage marriages or anything like that still?

Okay, so pedophilia is definitely a very sensitive topic. And I'll be honest, from. I'll first talk from my personal, personal experience and then we'll talk about others, right? But I got the most harassed in my life before turning 13. 14, like 12, 13, right before even becoming a teenager, I was the most publicly touched person. Like, I felt like a public property. I used to hate going out. I used to hate when I. When I saw a man even before I became a teenager. Because pedophilia is so common. We do not realize that we have had, like, maybe it's not that relevant right now, but unfortunately it is actually. Okay, so I'll share something which my friend told me, who is also a huge feminist, is that in. In some part of India. I'm not gonna say which one. Because of some reason there is still a culture where the mother's brother is supposed to have sexual relations with the mother's daughter when she is very young. And it is like very, very common. It is very common in that part. And this child. I'm getting a little overwhelmed. I'm so sorry, because this is a very sensitive topic. But child marriages and it is like so common. Like, you know, every single family has that one or two creepy uncle that they know is a baby toucher and they are okay with it. They don't take it seriously. Do you realize that? Because I'm sorry, I've been a victim of this. So it's very hard to talk about it. But it is so common. It is very common. And. And these people are. There are more pedophiles than like normal rapists or something. It is very common.

I'm so sorry. For what you went through. And I hope that you are gotten into a safer situation now at least.

Yeah, I am.

Okay, so like you were saying, there's. It's become a cultural thing, it's become an accepted thing in your society. Like repressing women, treating them differently. And you know, people turn the other way when things are happening to women. So in with all this, with so many issues, what do you think? Where do you think that India can even start to unravel these problems and kind of start fixing them or solving them?

So I believe that any society, any community is not have. Is not supposed to have so many men. In India and China, we have aborted so many baby girls that we have 70 million extra men than women, which is terrifying because we are not supposed to have these many men. We don't need them. It's going to sound disturbing, but I personally believe that the male population needs to go down. It definitely needs to go down. Because too many men, too many damn.

Men and start exporting them.

Definitely. And also like religion, religion has been a huge problem. I have always hated religion, always hated it. The fear that religion will tell you that if you do not obey this, you do not do that, then you're going to hell or something bad will happen. You know, in Hinduism, like Shani, they will do this and all that. I feel like that, I feel like this, this needs to go, you know, we need to bring spirituality, Spirituality, we need to divine, fight the female. Because that's what a female is. A female body is so interesting. She is, she can create life from her own body. She is smarter biologically. Her brain is, she has more brain cells than a man. Her prefrontal cortex is much more developed than a man. She is meant to lead. But what are we doing in India? We are teaching women that your only job is to be pretty, is to be the best sex object a man has ever seen. To obey your husband, to obey your in laws, to be a baby machine. And women are falling for this. Unfortunately, women are falling for this. India misogyny is not the only problem that India, when it comes to India exclusively is facing. There's caste issues as well, which is terrifying, which is terrifying. Religious problems, which are terrifying. Corruption. But again, all of this boils down to patriarchy, right? The male supremacy, the male, male tendency to hold wealth, male tendency to hoard wealth, to create a hierarchy, to seek dominance is where all this comes from. So I think that firstly, if I ever got into power, the first thing I would do is I would start making I would start like change the. The way women are portrayed in media. Because I personally believe that it is not school which is educating the children, it's the media which is educating the children which is creating the biggest influence. Little kids I have been at this age recently I was intimidated on a. Harassed on a. On the road by four teenage boys. Teenage boys. We can see how they feel about women, right. And then separating the needs of both men and women. Men and women have different needs. I believe that right now in the. The current generation or current population of the country, I feel like anti women sentiments are very intrinsic to people. Even women are very, very anti women, right. They are extremely misogynistic. Of course the males are going to misogynistic as well. I feel like the. The radical feminist movement, even in India it is not that popular. Like you would expect that women to be much more radical. But like that's the thing. The reason why India is so utterly garbage for women is because there is anti women sentiments even among women, right. So for. Personally I believe that first of this nuclear. Nuclear family system which is created, which is created to isolate women because women are. Men need women and women need each other. So if women are not coming together in a community to share each other's problems, to solve issues and talk to each other, basically be for each other, then I feel like that is a huge problem because you are being caged up in a home in a box with your biggest predator, which is a male. Right. So I feel like the nuclear family system is definitely that I'm really against. Secondly, the portrayal of women in media. The fact that even the most powerful women are okay with doing these item songs where. Which is like so talked about that it is a very misogynistic. It is very objectifying of the female body. Even these strong, powerful women are okay with still doing this. So first off, I think that should be banned. But like why is that? Why is that sentiment within them that they want to do these things? Why? So I think we must address the root cause which is like the subconscious programming ever since they are a kid. That's why people tend to not see any problem with that because subconsciously we all are trained to see women as objects, right. So I think it starts within from your childhood.

So what I wanted to ask you is like there's so much in the western culture that tells women like you're empowered if you do certain things. You're empowered if you just like this. It's empowering to be yourself and to kind of flaunt yourself. So where do you. What is your idea of this? What do you think? Is it empowering or is it embarrassing? Is it humiliating? Like, is it. Where has it all gone wrong? Like, what do you think? In your personal opinion, it doesn't have to be like, very complex or anything. Like, just what do you think? I'm sure you've thought about it.

Okay, firstly, I'm like a very spiritual person, right? So I personally came to the conclusion that because in certain parts of the world, there are women who are forced to cover up from head to toe, right? They're forced to dress modestly. So I feel like in order to create a balance, Mother Nature just created in another country, they created these type of women or this type of a culture where women just want to flaunt everything. They want to objectify them. So in order to create a balance, maybe this happened is what I believe spiritually. But I feel like the fact that if a woman is covering from head to toe, because head to toe because of her religion, and if a woman is like, like, you know, in female rap, if a woman is just showing everything in the most obscene, vulgar ways, I think it's like the two different sides of the same coin, right? Neither of them is empowering, in my opinion. It is not empowering to cover yourself from head to toe because the religion tells you that. Do it because you're a sex object or you will turn a man on sexually and then you'll be responsible for rape. But at the same time, women just consensually objectifying themselves. I think that's just not empowering. That's not empowering. That's not empowerment. And there's more to a woman than just her body. I think even a woman should realize that.

Do you feel like people are not taking women seriously because of this? Mainly because that's something that I feel that people don't see us as someone that they need to listen to because of this culture that we have.

Okay, so you know what? I am going to have to disagree over there because, like, if you look at men, they are the leading cause of a rape pandemic. They are the reason why femicide exists. But everyone takes them seriously, right? So it's about asserting your power, asserting your dominance. Of course, the fact that in an already misogyny, misogynistic society, if you as a woman are choosing to be more misogynistic, of course not men, neither men or women are going to respect you. And I feel like even you don't respect, like, even if you are doing that even you don't respect yourself. If in, in a society which is like created to be against you, you are giving them more, you are like just perpetuating the same things. And I think you just don't respect yourself and you are not going to be heard because in order to be respected, you have to respect yourself. And of course your clothes don't determine how much you respect yourself. But if you are clearly objectifying yourself and the female body, for example, in female rap, then I'm sorry, that is straight up misogynistic.

Okay, so again, coming back to India, so Hinduism is a prominent religion there. And inside Hinduism you have a whole goddess worship sect. Like it's a very main, it's a main thing there, Goddess worship. So having female goddesses, like worshiping them as God, basically. How. Why do you think that still people don't respect women with this religious background also supporting the respect and worship of women.

Yeah. Okay, so first off, I want to say I'm irreligious, extremely irreligious. I am a spiritual person. So I'm not pro or against any religion. And initially it is believed that what we call today as Hinduism was just a lifestyle of India. India. And it was a very matriarchal society that even most Hindus will not admit. Will never admit. I have had conversation with Hindus who want to establish a Hindu state, but even they are patriarchal, you know, because if you read the article called Law Emasculation and sexual violence by Pratiksha Bakshi, she clearly states that when Britishers came to India, they were shocked to see that women were grabbing men by their balls if they misbehaved, publicly humiliating them if, if they did something which was unacceptable. Right. And that was a culture of India that used to happen, which tells us that India was a matriarchy. India was. It was called a sone ki cheriya, which is like a golden bird. It had so much money, so much abundance, and it. Because it was a matriarchy. So a side note, if, if a country treats its women well, it's going to progress because a country can only do as, as well as its women. Like it can only progress as well as much as women have. Right. So it is believed that after the. These Abrahamic religions came, Britishers came, they started labeling these women as savages. Right. Like they basically stigmatized women who are dictating or like being powerful over men or are protecting themselves. Right. Okay.

So they brought in the patriarchy.

Yeah, yeah. Islam and Christianity. It is said that. And I'M not. I'm not a Hindu supremacist, as someone will accuse me of being. I do acknowledge that the Hinduism we see today is nothing more than patriarchy. I am irreligious. It's nothing more than patriarchy. It is nothing more than Islamified or Abrahamic religionified Hinduism we see today. It is not real. It is not the natural order. It is not what Sanatana Dharma was about. Sanatana Dharma is the original name of Hinduism. So and you know, the goddess worshiping it is just something which stayed along. Like it stayed along with us because we have all these books teaching women how to be good wives. We have Patidev, which means like your husband is a kind of a God, like a demigod. So you have to worship him, you have to wash his feet and then drink the water. And basically we were taught male worship. Dick worshiping, male worshiping, we were taught that. But these female goddesses, they just stayed along. They just. And okay, one more thing. The female goddesses, they were shown as they. Because they are so obedient to their husbands. That's the thing. They are shown as like, oh, this goddess is so obedient to her husband. So that's what makes her a goddess. Then again, we have a Bharatiya Nari, which translates to an Indian woman. So this Bharatiya Nari is a woman who is self sacrificing. She never keeps herself. First she will sacrifice herself for her children and her husband. So this was glorified. And initially when I was young, I was like, oh my God, she is worshiping Bharatiya Nari. She is idolizing Bharatiya Nadi. And until I realized what Bharatiya Nari is about, it is a woman who gives away her everything, her freedom, her time, her energy to her children and her husband. Right? So this, so yeah, that's what I'll say about that. Even though we have goddesses. Well, what are the goddesses doing? The goddesses are worshipping their husbands.

Okay, so not really good role models in the end.

Well, we do have some goddesses which kill men. But again, they come up with some BS like, oh, you are not her. Like, okay, so like they will tell me that I'm a goddess, so I must behave like a goddess, right? A goddess is kind, she covers herself. But then there is Kalima who is fully naked. She's killing men, good and bad, both men. And then I say, well, why can I not be Kali? And then people told me, well, you're not Kali, you're not a goddess, you're just a human. And I'm like, so like 2 minutes ago I was a goddess and now I'm a human.

Okay, cool.

Like you just want to control me.

No, it's just according to convenience.

Don't worry about it. Exactly.

So in India also, do you have any like men rights activism movements? And what's that about?

Oh my God. Look, like, as someone who like this country is internationally humiliated for so many things. One of them being that we gave the world the news that four men, they, they unalived, like killed and raped a monitor lizard and ate it later. We are the country which gave the world this news. And, and every 16 minutes a rape is reported. Just reported. So many rapes go unreported. Because I have never reported anything that has happened with me. I have never reported eve teasing. I've never reported if my professor was a pervert. Every still, every 16 minutes a rape is reported. In India, marital rape is legal. It is legal to rape your wife in India. They have been like, dowry is illegal, but it is still active. It is still happening. They call it gifts. And plus, like for 200 years we have been a patriarchy. Women did not have the rights to study lower caste. People did not have the right to study lower caste. Women were just like caste and your sex just coming together and even crushing them even further over that you still need men's rights activism, that there are still some rights that you don't have. Like 200 years of this violent patriarchy and you still were not able to create a system which fully benefits you. Then maybe you are just naturally incompetent because you still need men's rights activists. And yes, there are a lot of men's rights organization in India. I don't know what rights they want. Hopefully they get it. Hopefully they don't. I don't know.

So no women's rights movements or are they there? Are they small or crushing them even.

Further over that you still need men's rights.

How is that? How like how is the fight going?

Basically actually activism that there are still some rights that you don't have. Like 200 years of this violent patriarchy and you still were not able to create a system which fully benefits you. Then maybe you are just naturally incompetent because you still need menstruality. The fight is very clear, like very expected stuff. Very expected stuff. Like the government will just say the most expected stuff. Like, okay, we will do this for women, we will do that for women, or we should respect women. But again, that same, that same politician has like 18 rape cases going on them. It is very like very performative when it comes to politicians. There are a lot of feminist organizations, for example, feminist activists and yes, there are a lot of men's rights organization in India. I don't know what in India. Well, they have had some controversy because of, because of religion and caste rights. They want, hopefully they get it. Hopefully they don't. I don't know.

So no women's rights movements or are they there? Are they small or how is that, how like how is the fight going?

Basically actually. But there are a lot of, a lot of feminist organizations which actively help women. Personally, I used to work at a skill, skill like a training center for women. We used to teach like underprivileged poor women for free. And it was such a beautiful experience. Like they would come in being very under confident like with like they're like, I, I took my husband's permission, my family is like, they're luckily letting me come. And then a year later they are so well trained, they are running their own center and they have such a beautiful personality. They are such a boss women. So yeah, there are organizations, but they're not enough, I'll say because they're not really directly the fight is very clear. Like very expected stuff. Very expected stuff. Like the government will just say the most expected stuff like okay, we will do this for women, we will do that for women or we should respect women. But again, that same, that same politician has like 18 rape cases going on them. It is very like very performative addressing the issue. Right.

Okay, so what are you hoping to do in future? Like once you leave university, are you going to become like full time into this or are you going to go into politics trying to make a change, like what are your plans?

Okay, so when it comes to like what I want to do, I want to do so many things, but also what I, what can I do, right? What will work out, what will not work out when it comes to politicians. There are a lot of feminist organizations. For example, feminism in India. Well, they have had some controversy because of, because of religion and caste. But there are a lot of, a lot of feminist organizations which actively help because I had plans and those plans didn't work out. Right. So I'm a natural humanitarian. As I told you, this was something that came to me naturally since I was a kid, right. I'm a natural humanitarian of women. Personally. I used to work at a skill. Of course I want to do something for the womanity especially. So for that I'm going to need Money, I'm going to need power, I'm going to need fame. So currently I'm just working my online presence, right? The things that I post online, it is basically just skill, like a training center for women. We used to teach like underprivileged poor women for free and it was such a beautiful experience. Like they would come in being with me, trying to get that like support of women to understand it. Very underconfident. Like with like they're like I took my husband's permission, my family's like they're luckily letting me come income and then a year later they are so well trained, they are running their better. But honestly for now I'm more focused on making money. Eventually yes, I want to do a lot for humanity. I want to wake women up. But for now the most I can do, unfortunately it is just make videos online. So currently I'm just focused on online activism. But eventually I do want to turn it into like full time work, but I'm gonna need to work hard for it.

Okay. Anybody out there wants to check out.

Their own center and they have such a beautiful personality, they are such a boss women. So yeah, there are organizations, but they are not enough, I'll say because they're not really directly addressing the issue. Right.

Okay, so what are you Safa's content? She's on Instagram. We'll put the links in the description so you can hoping to do in future like once you leave university, are you going to become follow her and keep up to date with her work and everything. So Safa, is there anything else you would like to say before we sign off from our audience today? Is there any message that you want to give?

Yeah, yeah. Firstly, I want to talk to you like matriarchy times. I want to talk to you that when I first came across your reel on Instagram, when I saw the word matriarchy, I was like, okay, the time has finally come when women have woken up to the extent that they are.

Like full time into this. Are you going to go into politics trying to make a change? Like what are your plans?

Okay, so when it comes to like what I want to do, I want to do so many things, but also what I what can I do, right? What will work out, what will not work out? Because I had plans and those plans didn't work out, right? So I'm a natural humanitarian, actively asking for a matriarchy. Not asking, they're like creating a matriarchy. Because ever since I was a kid I was like, no, men are not Meant to rule. Men should not be ruling. Women should be given the power. Women should be given the dominion over the planet. And back then when I used to say these things, like I would get attacked by other women, right? So I'm so happy to see that women are working towards it. And even if not working, like they have this feeling that we want a matriarchy, we want women to rule. And for the people watching, especially the women, watch. As I told you, this was something that came to me naturally since I was a kid, right? I'm a natural humanitarian. Of course I want to do something for the womanity especially. So for that I'm going to need money, I'm going to need power, I'm going to need fame. So currently I'm just working my online presence, right? The things that I post online, it is basically just saying, I want to say address your subconscious programming that subconsciously you might think that you are created below a man. Subconsciously you might believe that you are just a sex object. But let me tell you one thing. Naturally you have so much power within you. Biologically you are. I know they tell you you're just a baby machine, you are dumb, but that is not true. You are so. You have, you are so. I don't want to say that word, but you are very, very superior. Like you are a very superior being. You are a divine being. Me trying to get that like support of women to understand that you are meant to rule. So don't fall for these trad wife bs like oh, I'm meant to better. But honestly for now I'm more focused on making money. Eventually yes, I want to do a lot for humanity. I want to wake women up. But for now the most I can do, unfortunately it is just make videos online. So currently I'm just focused on online activism. But even server man don't fall for that. Build yourself, create yourself and serve humanity is what I'll say to them.

Thank you so much and thank you so much for joining us today. It was so nice talking to you and hopefully we can help you achieve one of your goals of becoming famous.

Thank you so much.

Okay, until next time everyone. Thank you for joining and listening and please tune in for our next episode.

Actually I do want to turn it into like full time work, but I'm gonna need to work hard for it.

Okay, if anybody out there wants to check out Safa's content, she's on Instagram. We'll put the links in the description so you can follow her and keep up to date with her work and everything. So, Safa, is there anything else you would like to say before we sign off from our audience today? Is there any message that you want to give?

Yeah, yeah. Firstly, I want to talk to you like, matriarchy times. I want to talk to you that. When I first came across your reel on Instagram, when I saw the word matriarchy, I was like, okay, the time has finally come when women have woken up to the extent that they are actively asking for a matriarchy. Not asking, they're like creating a matriarchy. Because ever since I was a kid, I was like, no, men are not meant to rule. Men should not be ruling. Women should be given the power. Women should be given the dominion over the planet. And back then when I used to say these things, like, I would get attacked by other women and. Right. So I'm so happy to see that women are working towards it. And even if not working, like, they have this feeling that we want a matriarchy, we want women to rule. And for the people watching, especially the women watching, I want to say address your subconscious programming that subconsciously you might think that you are created below a man. Subconsciously you might believe that you are just a sex object. But let me tell you one thing. Naturally you have so much power within you. Biologically you are. I know they tell you you're just a baby machine. You are dumb, but that is not true. You are so. You have. You are so. I don't want to say that word, but you are very, very superior. Like, you are a very superior being. You are a divine being. You are meant to rule. So don't fall for these trad wives BS like, oh, I'm meant to serve a man. Don't fall for that. Build yourself, create yourself and serve humanity is what I'll say to them.

Thank you so much. And thank you so much for joining us today. It was so nice talking to you and hopefully we can help you achieve one of your goals of becoming famous.

Thank you so much.

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