Stuck in an "intellectual understanding" of the Three Principles?

Hello, hello, this is Mary Schiller just starting this webinar today, and I see a few people are already here. If you could just perhaps type something into the chat box so that I know you can hear me all right, that would be great. Hi, Laurie-Ann. Hi, Shirley. Hi, Peter, Simon. Such wonderful, uh, faces, although I can't see you. It's lovely to have you on the webinar today, so thank you so much for being here. And before I go much further, let me introduce myself for those of you who are new. Hi, Gavin, thank you. My name is Mary Schiller, and I am a Three Principles Coach and the author of two books The Joy Formula and Mind Yoga, and I am proudly wearing a Mind Yoga t-shirt today so I can be very Zen during this presentation with you. Hi, Judy. And this talk today is all about if you are stuck in an intellectual understanding of the 3 principles and you really want to get unstuck, you feel like something is missing and you want to get whatever that is for you. Hi, Kathy, thank you. I appreciate the compliment on the shirt. So as you figured out, you can type a message in the chat box at any time and I will see that. And if you have a specific question for me, you can type it into the question box down below the screen and I will get an alert that it's there so I don't miss it. So before I get started, I just want to say that if you are feeling like you are stuck in an intellectual understanding of the three principles, you are not alone. It's probably one of the most common things that I hear from people who want to talk to me is they feel like, you know, they have an understanding of what the three principles are and kind of what they point to, but they haven't really been able to feel the principles. They haven't been able to kind of see the principles at work in their life on a deeper level. And I really understand that because I think that in some ways I was fortunate in that I seem to have an experience of fairly deep understanding early on. But I've certainly had periods over the last couple of years when it seemed like I was just all up in my head about it. And I was searching for that deeper feeling again. But I think during this talk, we will be able to address this in a way that really makes sense to you. So I'd like to start with asking you a question, and if you wouldn't mind typing your response in the chat box, that would be really, really helpful to me. So if you feel like you are stuck in this, or excuse me, in an intellectual understanding of these 3 principles. What does that feel like to you? What does it feel like is missing for you in this? So I'll just pause and, and let you respond to that. What's missing, if you can describe it? This is the pregnant pause, as it's called. Peter says, being on the outside looking in. Judy says, it's trust. Gavin, a connection to mind. Laurieann, supposed to answer. Oh, you can answer wherever you'd like, Laurie, the chat box is fine. Simon says, peace is missing, P-E-A-C-E. Feels like an argument in my head. That's interesting. And Shirley, teaching it to others. Kathy says it makes it feel like a technique, and I don't have the sense that I am wholly well and part of universal mind. So I'd like to start this conversation. Thank you so much for all of that. That was really, really helpful. I'd like to start this conversation by asking you to do something, which is when you're listening to me talk, see, and you've probably heard this before, but I'd really like you to try it during this next 45 minutes or so that we're together. I'd really like you to listen underneath the words that I'm saying. So instead of listening to the content of this talk and to the verbiage and all of that, because when we do that we have a tendency to try to piece things together and see how they fit and engage sort of our logic And what I'm asking is that you kind of let that logical brain take a back seat and, um, just trust— to use the word that came up just now— that there is another way to hear these principles. There's another way to look at these principles, because what we're talking about is not something that is unnatural. It's not something that we have to learn. It's not something that we even really have to understand. It's one of the reasons why I wish there was another word for understanding. Someday I'll come up with one. But there is another way to absorb this, and it really has to do with listening from a place that is not our personal thinking, listening from a place that is kind of beyond our personal thinking. And I think what happened for me— I can use myself as an example— is that when I first came across these principles in 2014, the first little bit of time that I had with them, I found myself trying to put them into context with things that I already knew. I remember comparing them to, you know, the power of positive thinking, for example. I remember comparing them to some of the tools and techniques that I had been using for several years to try to cope with my own stress levels. And I remember feeling sort of wound up around that. And wondering, you know, if that was it. Was I missing something? And then at some point, I heard something. This was when I was listening to Michael Neill's book, The Inside Out Revolution. I heard something that allowed me to just drop out of my head and into my heart. And what I find is that in our culture, we are so conditioned to using our intellect to try to understand something. We're so accustomed to doing compare and contrast, pros and cons, for and against, and looking at charts and graphs. And all of that, that we forget that we have something that is even more trustworthy than our intellect. And that is, to use one of Sydney Banks' terms, mind. Because much more, at least to me, much more than our intellect, much more than the sort of staticky personal thinking that's going on all day. We are in something else. We are in this space of infinite intelligence— intelligence, not intellect. And the only reason that, that seems foreign to us sometimes is because we're just not accustomed to that feeling. We're so used to being up in our heads and sorting things out that we've simply forgotten that what we really have at our disposal is something that is much deeper, much smarter, much more creative, and much more powerful than even the human intellect. So I'm going to pause there for just a moment and ask you another question, which is, if you have— like Lori says, she doesn't feel she gets it at a deep enough level. To fully explain it to other people. Where have you been looking for this deeper feeling? Have you been looking for it in, for example, videos of people talking, or, you know, reading materials or audios, for instance? Have you been looking toward yourself? I'm really curious to know if you feel like something is missing in your understanding, where you've been looking for that missing thing. So I'll pause for a moment while you consider that. Lori Ann says, all of those for myself, trying to settle down and listen to an inkling or a gut feeling. Lynn, reading books, listening to audios, doing meditation. Kathy, books, audios, blogs, hoping that someone says the thing that resonates for me. That's really, really helpful. Thank you, Simon. I think when I feel it's from my heart, when I don't get it, it's in my head, and that comes from audio. Yes, listening for the thing. I really understand. I think books and audios, Peter says, and Lori says, me too. I really understand what it's like to be searching. I really— sorry, I'm getting a little bit emotional. I really understand that feeling of not having something that it looks like other people have. I spent, um, thank you, Simon. Yes, that's true. I, I spent many years of my life searching for the thing, as Lynn just said, looking to other people, looking for anything really that I could grasp onto that I thought would get me to that place that would take me toward the peace that I wanted so much for myself. The deeper sense of what life was all about. Phyllis agrees. I, at some points, really thought that it would never happen. I felt like I had done all the work, work in quotes, that I was supposed to be doing. I felt like I had read all the books, done all the techniques, invested time in myself and in my well-being, um, and I just couldn't find it. And Judy says everywhere except really within. And that's kind of where I'm going because I don't think I understood two things. One, I don't think I understood that I already had what I was looking for because my life experience didn't reveal that to me. Um, Simon says, I nearly fell for someone offering to fix me for £1,000 today. I spent way more than that, Simon, because I fundamentally didn't get that I could look within I thought, I really didn't just think, I mean, I really believed that it was not safe to look inside myself because I thought there was something wrong with me. I thought I was broken. I thought that at my core, there was some big hole that had been put into me. And I was never going to be able to really heal that. And so what was the point of looking inside myself? Because it didn't seem like the answer could possibly be there. How could the answer possibly be there? If I was so busy and so consumed with looking outside myself and looking to other people and listening to gurus, for lack of a better word, and, and all of these people who seem to have the thing that I want— wanted. It was because I didn't know back then that what I was looking for, I already had. So that was one thing. And second of all, I look back now and I had absolutely no idea how to even look inside myself. For the answers I was seeking. So I, like you guys just mentioned, and like I just mentioned, I spent, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars on programs hoping that somebody would give me the key to unlock life, essentially something that would unlock this door that was keeping me from peace. And when I talk to people— excuse me— when I talk to people who are struggling because they feel like they are stuck in this intellectual understanding of the principles, what we often talk about is that what they may be missing is just what I mentioned, that not only is it safe to look within, that's where safety and security and peace actually are. So instead of waiting for an insight to occur, let's say, or or looking to someone or something to try to prompt that, what actually happens, even when it looks like it's coming from those things, as Simon just alluded to, those insights are coming from this place that is already within you, that actually is you. So a key or snake oil, Simon says, exactly. I think a lot of it, a lot of what I was looking for in buying these programs and books and all these things that I did, I was hoping that somebody was just a little bit smarter than I was about this. And I think honestly that most of them were well-meaning people who thought they had an answer. They had something that seemed to work for them, and so they were trying to help other people. But ultimately, None of those things were the actual key. And for me, and it sounds like for you if you're on this webinar with me or watching the replay, you've uncovered the key, which is this understanding of these 3 principles. So this next question is maybe a little bit blunt, but I'm going to ask it anyway. Do you really see? Do you really see that there is nothing about you that needs to change? That there is nothing about you that needs to be made better? Do you really see that you're not broken? Do you really feel like you are whole? Lynn says no. Thank you for being so honest, Lynn. It seems like every area of my life needs to change. Judy says, sadly, no. Well, Lorianne, no in some areas, wait, etc. Kathy, there are parts of the form of me that need to change. I can sort of believe that the real me is okay. Lynn says, I want to see what you see. Gavin, not in my heart of hearts. Simon, I feel whole now, but at 5 AM tomorrow, I might not. Peter, sometimes yes, and then thoughts can come very quickly to cancel it out. Thank you so much for all those honest comments. That means a lot. And I think if I could get one thing across in this talk today, it would be this: that no matter how you see yourself, no matter how you see yourself, you are still whole. You are still unbroken. You are still not in need of any repairs. So even if you wake up tomorrow morning and see yourself as having a litany of flaws, in many ways, that matters not at all. Because it doesn't change the fact It doesn't change the truth with a capital T, which is that no matter what thoughts we have about ourselves or about anything in our life, it doesn't affect who we really are. When I saw that for myself, you may have heard me say this before, But when I saw that for myself, it was as if I— speaking of snakes— it was as if I had shed a skin that I'd been wearing for a long time that was itchy and not very comfortable. And I realized that my personal thinking was immaterial. It had nothing to do with me. And not only that, the events of my life that I had experienced had nothing to do with me. The circumstances under which I'm living have nothing to do with me. How much I weigh, how much money I have, what kind of work I do, where I live, what I eat— none of that has anything to do with who we really are. If you feel like you're stuck in your exploration of these principles and they don't seem quite real. It's because this, in my opinion, is the missing piece. Lynn says, but all my life I've been taught my life is the result of my thinking and choices, and I'm responsible. That's a really insightful comment because I see responsibility in a very different way now. And I think that this might help if any of you are in that frame of mind too. I used to look at my life as basically a series of errors, errors in judgment. And it's why, like I said earlier, I didn't know who— if I could trust myself, if I could look inside myself, because it seemed like I wasn't trustworthy. And Simon says the person who wanted him to spend all that money told him the same thing. Paul has the point that I'm making, which is we did the best we could with what we knew at the time. And now that makes much more sense to me because I can look back on the decisions that I've made and the choices I've made, to use your word, Lynn, and I can see that they were based on whatever thinking I had going on in my head at the time. That's all any of us are ever doing. We're responding to whatever thoughts we have at the time. What's fortunate about this is that when we have this understanding of the principles, we're much more able to kind of recognize when our thinking might be leading us astray, when it might be unhelpful, If we're having some kind of distressful feeling, distressed feeling, stressful feeling, or we're feeling upset or frustrated or any of those things, we know that we can just sort of stop and take a timeout and wait for that feeling to pass by and for new thought to come in. But at the same time, What seems to be missing for a lot of people is what happens after that. What happens after I stop listening to my thinking? Where am I then? Phyllis says, I'm so stuck in my thinking that my blood pressure is sky high. Feel like I'm on a hamster wheel, like I know nothing. And the reason why we have states like that, Billis, you're not alone. A lot of people feel like that is because we believe that what we think and what we see around us, including our physical selves, is actually who we are. That is where I was before I came across these principles. I thought that my life circumstances, all the choices I'd made, all the traumatic stressful thinking I had, I thought that that was all me. Judy, it seems like I don't like the person I think I am, so busy judging and beating up on myself. Exactly, I did the same thing over and over and over again. And what I saw and what I would love to try to communicate with you is that it didn't matter at all what I thought about myself, what I had designed as the Mary who was walking around in this world didn't matter at all because it wasn't connected to anything real. It was thought-created, version of Mary. Hi Amir, I hope I'm pronouncing that right. Find it hard to just sit with the stressful thinking, allow it to move on by itself. I feel I have to do something to make myself feel better, end up engaging in bad habits that I know are destructive to me. I did the exact same thing, exact same thing. I didn't understand that if I just allowed my beautiful system to work as it was designed to work, that it would bring me back to the feeling that's always there, because it's always there even when it doesn't look like it is. The beautiful feeling that we're all looking for, which is why we're, we're talking together today. Whether we know it or not, is actually who we are, our true selves. And somebody— I can't remember who said this, so I apologize if they're watching or whatever— but somebody said something recently that was like, I would hate to get to the end of a wonderful life and realize I missed it. And that's really what is driving me to host calls like this and keep talking with people, because I don't want you to miss the wonderful life that you already are, not just that you have. But that you are. Kathy says, the form of us has to make it through each day in the world, even if that isn't the real us. I can't understand the dissociation you described. Thanks for asking that, Kathy. So I can give you an example, a very, very recent example of a way I was able to see, excuse me, what you just asked. So as I'm talking to you, we are waiting to hear how my father-in-law is doing. We're in New York and he is in California, um, and we know he's not well My husband was back there recently to see him, and as of yesterday, it wasn't clear whether he was going to live to today. And so we're kind of on pins and needles today. We haven't heard anything yet, you know, kind of waiting for the phone to ring, if you know that feeling. And so I found myself in this place of having all those normal human feelings of a little fear, um, sadness, some grief coming in now and then, and all those things that people generally go through when they know that a loved one is about to die. At the same time, I've also experienced an incredible feeling of peace and calm and beauty while all of that emotion is sort of swirling around in my human form. And I'm wondering, Kathy, if— or, and all of you— if you can remember a time when you were experiencing something difficult, but at the same time, you sensed what I'm talking about. You sensed that presence underneath all of that. Perhaps it was a situation where other people around you were very stressed and, and worried, and you had some of that, but you were able to make decisions you needed to make and do things that you needed to do. Can anyone relate to that experience? I'll give you a second, and by the way, I really appreciate your involvement in this talk. That, that's wonderful. Because Shirley, yes. Oh, when your boyfriend was killed, you were in a place of peace and stillness. Gosh. Judy, a couple of times in stressful situations, I felt nothing really weird, not peace, just nothing. Kathy, an extreme emotional experience, my husband almost died. I had the strong sense I would be fine, but I don't feel that normally. Shirley says you didn't understand it back then. That feeling of peace and stillness is what we are. I was going to say who we are, but it feels more like a what. Simon, I lost my best friend 16 years ago and was gutted, but I had the best night's sleep ever. There was nothing I could do. Stop worrying about business, higher perspective. All of what you're describing, that feeling of peace and stillness, that even that higher perspective, that sort of lifting up feeling instead of the dragging down feeling, that is what we are made of. Lynn says she's had a diagnosis she didn't care for and you had a sense there's another answer. I think that one way we can connect to that more often, even just in our day-to-day life, is simply remembering— just remembering who we actually are and and what we actually are. Is that sense wisdom? Lynn says, I think so, Simon. And that wisdom is innate. That isn't something that we have to go find from an expensive guru like I thought I did before. Phyllis says, I've been in that feeling with health issues with my parents and also when they passed. I knew what to do without thinking. Now I pick everything apart from what I think to what I should eat. And Phyllis, you also said, but you knew what to do and you were in peace. So what I find so amazing about this conversation that we're having right now is that you're all describing the very thing that seems like it's missing. You're all describing an experience that you had of your true self, of what you're really made of. Simon, I think that that's true. He says peace came first, then knowing what to do, because The reason why is because when we are operating from this place of calm, which is, like I said, our true nature, then we're able to make decisions much more easily. In fact, a lot of the time decisions don't even feel like decisions. It's more like, well, of course this is what I need to do. There's no, you know, like I was saying before, there's no pros and cons list. Things come very naturally. So the question you may be asking yourselves right now— yes, it's fine, Simon, to keep chipping in. The question you may be asking yourselves right now is, well, if I feel like I'm stuck in this intellectual understanding, and what you're saying, Mary, is that, you know, I already have the thing that seems like it's missing, then how do I experience that? More often? How do I experience that place of peace more often? And for me, it's really about, like I was saying a moment ago, remembering, remembering who I am and what I am. It's knowing that whenever I have a feeling of distress that that isn't me. It's a human being having a stressful experience. Kathy says, without a crisis, personal thought and criticism takes center stage. When I'm really worrying about the small stuff, it occurs to me that I need a crisis. So Kathy, let me ask you this, and anybody else who would like to chime in here. When, when you are engaged in a lot of self-criticism, or you feel like life isn't going well and that there's something that you need to do about it, things start to feel kind of urgent. And at least for me, and they start to feel pressurized. And like I was just doing, my shoulders start to come up and I start to feel this way. We have built into this system a beautiful mechanism that lets us know we're looking in the wrong direction, and that's that feeling. When we have that feeling of distress, that's a sure sign that for that moment, we're a little bit confused about who we are and what we are. And I love that because it's like a little signal that just goes off every time that I know I don't need to trust that feeling. I can sort of let it go by and, and not really worry about it too much. And who I really am will rise up and take its place. Lynn, I've had so many times in my life where things were not what I thought— betrayal, for example— that I feel out of sync with life, thoughts, beliefs. I know what you mean, Lynn, and I hope this doesn't sound weird, but I'm going to say it anyway, is that whether we feel in sync or not is not what really matters. I know that sounds horrible to say when I say it out loud, but It's not— it's momentary thought. It doesn't affect us. It doesn't affect Lynn with a capital L. It doesn't affect Mary with big M. And the more we get that my sporadic ups and downs, or my feeling out of sync with myself, or my beliefs getting in the way, the more we see that that is simply a function of being a human being. It's not specific to us. It's simply the way human beings are. We have ups and downs. We feel in sync. We feel out of sync. We have feelings of all kinds that flow in and out, and that's what it means to have this human being experience in this form, then it starts to matter a whole lot less what those individual experiences are. They start to look more like a beautiful tapestry that we are weaving and being part of and enjoying and experiencing. Rather than something we need to fix and change. Kathy says, recognizing those feelings as warning about my thoughts is one of the great things I've gotten from this understanding, but that is part of what makes it feel like I'm applying the principles. So what I would say there is that, because I think I understand what you mean, Kathy, what I would say there is that for me, it's simply a matter of noticing, of more of an awareness, more of my eyes being open and seeing, or my ears being open and hearing, rather than Oh, when I'm in that kind of thinking, then I have to do XYZ. Because what happens is that when I recognize that I'm caught up in some kooky thinking that's got me all wound up and nervous, it's almost like a reflex in this system that we have that kind of pops me right back out of it. I might go right back into it, but then the moment I see that that's what's going on, pop, I'm back out of it again. And I think what is even more helpful for me than that is just recognizing that this is what it means to be human. This is the human being experience. Lori Ann says, for me, it's about choosing not to engage a thought or feeling as much, not taking it as real or the truth, capital T. Just one thought in one moment, no more and no less. Another one is coming along in the next moment. That's what I'm driving at, is that our experience is happening moment to moment via thought and consciousness working together. It's accepting that that's what being a human being is like, that we have this experience that can sometimes be painful and sometimes be joyful. But there's nothing about it that needs to be corrected. Phyllis says, I know my latching on to thoughts that I deem awful, yet they seem to multiply at warp speed. Simon says, thoughts aren't things we have to worry about. Those two comments are so interesting because we latch on to thinking because we believe that there is something we have to do about it. So I think what I'm asking you to do, pardon me, in this talk is to kind of zoom out a little bit, zoom out on the human experience if you can for a moment. And Laurie Ann says, I wonder if the challenge is a bit of rumination on the bad thoughts rather than being able to let go. To me, it's even further back than that. So maybe if each of you could just for the next 60 seconds imagine that you are outside of yourself and you're watching you have this human being experience. You're watching this person sitting in front of this computer or however you're engaging in this and grappling with, with this understanding, and you're just watching this person really trying to understand something about themselves. Can you look at that person—that's you—with an incredible amount of compassion and understanding? And an incredible amount of love, frankly, for this person who is in this form, who is navigating day-to-day life, but is really in this infinite net, if you will. Of safety? Just going to pause there for a second. I think that that's what I was able to see 2 years ago. Phyllis says, you often see it that way and think, oh, stop. And yet you wouldn't do that to anyone else. Exactly. What I saw 2 years ago was this person named Mary who had been living her life, and as we said earlier, doing the best she could with what she understood at the time. Navigating difficult choices and challenging people and situations. And I was able to see that she was this human being in this form, but that she was also part of mind. And that, like Simon just said, he had his first out-of-body experience. It made me laugh at the thought wrangling. That's almost exactly what happened for me. I saw myself as this thinking being who had created this whole little world inside my own little brain, and I didn't know, I didn't know that I was part of this gigantic beautiful space that all of us are in all the time. I didn't know that that was even there. Judy, it feels like I'm observing myself constantly but with negative judgment, not the love and compassion I need. That love and compassion that you need is what you're made of, Judy. It's what you're made of. And when you kind of pull back the way that I just did and look at Judy, you can see that she's just like Mary, she's just like Simon, she's just like Lynn, she's just like Phyllis, just like Lorianne, and she's part of this incredible human spiritual, however you want to call it, network that brings light and life into who we are. So perhaps instead of sort of accusing oneself of being stuck in an intellectual understanding of the principles. Perhaps instead of that, you can say, you know, this is how it looks to me right now, and I know where I really am. I'm just not feeling it right now, and that's all right. Simon says, that's lovely, Mary, almost Don't want to type and write the spell. Lynn, thank you, Mary, for always waking up. So I have a couple of things to say here before I leave you today. First of all— well, maybe 3 things. First of all is your honesty and openness and sharing was truly inspirational to me today. And I do not take it lightly because I know it's really hard to admit how things look to us. And as Phyllis says, the voice inside says, "Yeah, but..." You know, I think the key there is knowing that the voice is not us. The voice is simply momentary thinking that doesn't hold within it that truth we were talking about, because that truth is so much bigger than these little specks of thought that go through our minds. And I'm not diminishing the power of thought. I have immense respect for it, and I never say it's just thought because I know the power that it holds. At the same time, thought is not us. It helps us experience this human being life, but it isn't us. Oh, you got up at 4 AM, Judy. Thank you. So the last thing I want to say is that I would love to continue this conversation with you, and I'm sending this out in an email as well, but I do have a new class coming up soon that will be like this. It'll be a series of 4 webinars where I'll actually take you to this place. That's my hope on each call while walking you through the mind yoga experience. And so I would invite you to take a look at that when it goes out. In the email follow-up, and if you're still on the screen, it's also in the little offers tab at the bottom if you'd like to take a peek. But my real aim on this call was to help you to see even a little bit that what you're searching for and what you're looking for is already present It's already your— I'm gonna say DNA. If there's a spiritual DNA, it already is your spiritual DNA. And it's okay— this was the biggie for me— it's okay to look within because that's where truth really is, even if we have sort of a skewed view of who we are, that's simply a drawing that we've made of ourselves that looks real to us but isn't. It's more than safe to look within. That's where this feeling really is that you want in life. Lynn says, um, are you talking about observing the observer, pulling back? And Phyllis says she wishes she could. Let me talk about that since I have a few minutes left. I like that phrase observing the observer. I think Eckhart Tolle talks about that in a couple of his books, if not more, where we can, if we can see that we think, then who is doing the seeing? Who is that? That can't be the same being that's doing the thinking, right? It doesn't make logical sense that way. It has to be that we, capital W, are somehow both connected to and outside of that. And so when I asked you to recall an experience where you felt that sense of calm while also kind of being in perhaps a state of distress or grief or fear, it's because while they're separate in, in one sense, and that we can observe, they're also inextricably together. We are both this beautiful, spacious, secure free being, and we are this human one. And as a human having this human experience, the more we can see ourselves as both, the more we can kind of let go of the judgment about the human experience part the more we can experience this rich truth. I think we can get very caught up in the idea that the surface of our life has to look a certain way or has to be a certain way, or, or, you know, we have to look a certain way or be a certain way. And that's what can often kind of derail us. And what I'm suggesting is step back and then step back again and step back again and watch the human being there and just see the beauty in that. See the beauty in someone who is trying to improve themselves, who is trying to be this better person, and find and feel that natural compassion that you have, because that is there even when you're not aware of it. And that's— to close out this conversation— that's my favorite thing about the principle My absolute favorite thing about the principles is that they are true even when I don't know it, even when I can't see it, when I can't feel it, when I'm not experiencing them. I still know that they are there, they are true, they are working. So even in times when I am really stuck in my intellect and really up in my thinking, Somewhere in the back of my mind, I know where I am. Even when it doesn't look like it, I still know where I am, just like I know that I am sitting in this chair because gravity is keeping me here. In the same way, I know even when it feels like I'm all up in here that the principles, especially the principle of mind, is keeping me down here, and I'm just not feeling it right then. So I will ask you if you have any final comments or thoughts before I close out this conversation. And again, I want to thank you so much for being here and for being willing to listen and look in a new direction and just really being willing to explore something that's not normal in our worldly conversations. Oh, thank you for being here so much. Thank you, Kathy, Phyllis, everybody, Lynn. Oh, I'm glad you feel more peaceful now, Lynn. That's wonderful. That's wonderful. Thank you so very much, and I really hope that we have the chance to interact again soon. I will continue to offer these free talks as well as some classes, as I mentioned, and I really hope to see you there because we can go into even more depth and, and really have an amazing time together. I'm sure of that. Thank you, Peter. Thank you, Simon. I love you guys. Thank you, Paul. Oh, what does Paul say? Let me check on it. I don't know. We're trying to intellectualize and understand, but listening to our heart. Yes, listening to this, listening to this heart inside, that's where the answers are. And luckily, that's not going anywhere. Thank you, everybody. I'm going to sign off. And please feel free to email me anytime if you have any questions about anything. You know where to find me, and I think some of you are also in the Mind Yoga Spa Facebook group, so I can continue the conversation there as well. Thank you so much. Hi, Monica. Phyllis, I want to address Phyllis's comments. Sometimes it doesn't say anything, you know, Phyllis. I find that the heart is often quiet and the mind is busy. And it's more often than not that when I'm feeling that quiet, that that's when my heart is speaking. If that makes sense. Thank you. I'll talk to you again soon. Bye-bye, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. And enjoy the replay if you're watching that as well. Thank you. Bye, Peter.