Building a £100k per Month Only Fans Agency from Scratch - Markuss Hussle | The Midnight Pod Ep 60

For me, having somebody go through like an online course and go from 0 to just like 5k a month is way more satisfying than helping a lawyer go from half a million a month to like 600k a month. Because to me it's like. And to the lawyer, it doesn't really mean much. It's 100 grand. To a kid. When I say a kid like 18, 19, who's just finished or dropped out of college to make an extra five grand in a month to him, he's buzzing. And that was the best feeling ever.

Right? We're back with episode 60, I think @ the midnight pod. We got Marcus Hussle, stage name, I think for the second name. Officially we probably wasted like 45 minutes of quality content off camera, which is always a risk and genuinely tends to happen. I have just finished a 30 kilometer run as well, so my legs are fucked. So I'm having a drink to A, take the pain away, but B. Cause I've got some of the tequila stuff from episode 59 left over two. Tokyo's joining us. As always, you're the first person in the onlyfans world on the pod and it's an interesting and sometimes controversial space, but also you want me. I saw you when on Luke's pod and I feel everyone goes on everyone's fucking pods and it's like very small world. And I've just realized that you live in the same building as Jack, who's been on here, and a few other people. How did you get started? What's the story like? I was reading to your background. It seems pretty fucking interesting, to be fair. From Latvia originally. Came from humble beginnings and obviously doing cool shit.

Now. Yeah, don't know how quickly. How quickly do you want me to kind of wrap up the story?

But. Well, go as long as you.

Want. Sure, sure.

Sure.

Story. Yeah. So, like you mentioned, started in. I was born in Latvia, moved to the UK when I was 10 years old. Couldn't speak English at all, like literally didn't know how to say anything other than yes or no when I first moved here. So I found school, like kind of. I don't know, I didn't really know what the hell was going on. So. Yeah, anyway, long story short, kind of just flunked through school. I never really done any revision, never really took it seriously. Mainly because I didn't know what the hell was going on for the main part, if I'm being honest. So I didn't really get like incredible results when it came to me going to college or sick Form I'll be honest, I genuinely didn't know what the fuck was the difference. Can I swear by the way, is that.

Cool? I swear all the.

Time. Okay, cool. I genuinely didn't know what was the difference. I know that probably sounds stupid, but I was like, I don't know, I'll just go college and in college I done media. The reason for that was because media, which was like photography and videography in school was the only one that I've got like decent results in. Everything else was like an F you. So I'd done media in college and then. I enjoy that, I enjoy that. That was for one year I learned how to do like photography, videography, editing, Photoshop, you know, the basics of what's actually funny enough really important nowadays what we do with social media. So I've done that for one year in college because legally had to like I think you have to be 18 in it until you can.

Leave. Yeah, it's changed now I think. Is it because it used to be 16? Oh, okay, 18.

Now. Yeah, okay. Well I'm pretty sure I had to anyway I left when I was 18. I dropped out of first year of college and I didn't know what the hell I wanted to do. I joined my first like work as such as like a 9 to 5 I guess was a door to door job which is really interesting. So you know those annoying fuckers that go to your door and knock like a Jehovah.

Witness. You weren't actually a Jehovah.

Witness. I was working for RSPCA and Battersea funny enough. So like animal shelters and like that and I was trying to get like donations from people genuinely enjoyed it. Like I actually enjoyed it as like the job itself was horrible. Like I'll just be on my legs walking from like God knows when, like 3:00pm to like 8:00pm this when you're 18. I was about 19 at this point I think. Yeah, 18, 19. Yeah. No, no, no, no. One other part about my story which also by the way made me like is fairly important to the, to the. Obviously my journey is unfortunately my pops passed away when I was 18 and I think up until then by the way, I was just a typical teenager, like doing dumb stuff, you know, just smoking party and stuff like that. But unfortunately when that happened that's. And I'm the only child as well by the way. So I just had me and my mom, that's it. I don't have any grandparents, none of that. And it was just me and my mom here in the UK and My mom isn't from even a, you know, a mid background in terms of financials. Like we literally have to go to the reduced aisle of like Tesco's and shit, like to get food. So that was kind of just to give everyone a bit of perspective in terms of like my.

Upbringing. Why did she move when you were.

10? My parents split up. My mom and my biological dad split up when I was 10. Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately my pops was an alcoholic and you know, he was abusive, but not to me, to my mum, but I don't remember it because I was obviously a little kid, but my mom has told me, so. So, yeah, they split up and then my mom found my stepdad who was already living here. He's from Latvia as well, but he moved here because he's a carpenter and he's a builder. So he was here for work and then she moved. Well, she first came here by herself, my mum did, to go meet him. Everyone's cool. She came back to Latvia, basically said, do you want to move to uk? To me I was like, fucking, that's sick. Because again, for a bit of context I think you've seen on my Instagram and how I grew up in Latvia, that post. Crazy. So I was living in a house like that with which, you know, there can be worse, don't get me wrong. But it's nothing like conditions even like a shitty council estate here in the uk. Like it's nothing like that. So I was like, yeah, cool. Anyway, so I moved here then unfortunately, When I was 18, my pops passed away and that's when like my mindset just shifted from kind of, I'm a kid, I'm having fun, I don't really care about anything to you. Like it's serious now. Like I can see like the pain in my mom's eyes. Like I just understand like life. It just hit me. Yeah, yeah. So and then I got the door to door job and I took it really serious because it was a commission only job. And that's what made me realize like, oh, interesting. So the harder you work, the more money you earn. Which is pretty common sense. Right. But a lot of people, if they're just in the, in the school, college, university and 9 to 5 life genuinely don't really understand it. Which is.

Crazy. Stuck in the.

System. Yeah. So that door to door job really made me understand, like hard work does pay off eventually. It might not straight away, but if you just carry on being consistent with hard work, it will pay off. And in terms of the door to door job that, that would mean if I just start at like I can't remember, I think it's 3pm and I would knock on doors till like you know, 8pm If I'd done it consistently throughout the whole day I could guarantee make an X amount. But if I'm like lazy, if I knock on like 10 doors and it doesn't really work and I quit, obviously it's not going to work. Yeah. And that really. Yeah. That taught me like just how to be.

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Go now. I'd done that job for about a year. I quit that job because some BS reason like there was essentially like, like a ceiling and you really couldn't progress any further. So I was like, I'm pretty bored of it. I've done it for a whole year but I do not regret it at all. Like it taught me a lot. Did you ever do like a door to door job or any sales.

Job? Yeah, I did. I worked in the one that comes to mind. I worked in John Lewis selling fucking TVs in summer when I was 18 and this is when I had my first clothing brand which was so shit I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. Spent all my wages on stock and couldn't sell any. But I would go around putting and I was in like the computer and TV sections. I had to know shit about TVs. It's bullshit. And there was, like, a bit of commission and shit. But I used to go around putting my website on the computers because I thought that was advertising. I was, like, pretty expensive advertising. But, like, five people would see it in a whole day and then I get told off. But that was just like me trying to fucking.

Hustle. How old was you then? Like.

18. Yeah, yeah, maybe 18.

19. It's interesting. Interesting. Yeah, that was the first thing. So. So that's. Yeah. So that door to door. Joe, by the way, I just remembered I was gonna give this to you at the beginning, bro. Let me just give it to you now, bro, so I don't forget. So I got you a little.

Present. Fucking.

Hell. I got you one of.

These. Yeah, that.

Is. That's proper sick in it, bro. Do you know how to get this? Do you know the best part? Stick your finger in there and press that.

Button. Wait.

Where? Yeah, in there. There's a button on the middle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See at the bottom here? Oh, my.

God. Oh, shit. Fucking hell. That's a very generous gift. Very thoughtful. Thank you very.

Much. I like to come beer and gifts, like always. I think it's just a nice.

Thing. Yeah, that's legit. The only person that's ever bought me a car model like this. I still have it, is my mate bought me a fucking. A Hurricane Performante. I think I was talking about getting one. I never actually got one, but. And I got an Audi R8 one from my dad before when I got that.

Car.

Sick. But this is way sicker. I don't think I can see that. That's the DeLorean that was in. In the movie and is also on the poster up there. So. Fucking.

Hell. I was just worried that you.

Might frame that or some.

Shit. I was worried you might have one.

Already. No, I don't. That's actually sick. Thank you very.

Much. There you go, man. I was at the shop as well, and there was.

This. I thought you were just gonna give me like a bottle of wine or some.

Shit. No, no, no, it was. It was just next to it. So I was like, yeah, that's.

Sick.

Yeah, because like I said, and for people as well. Like, I've been following yourself for a while, man. So it's honestly a pleasure for. For like, having me on, man. Genuinely appreciate it.

Brother. Very generous. I appreciate this as well. That's kind of deep. That's so.

Sick. Awesome.

Man. Yeah, I'm definitely putting that In a Prada's Pride of Place somewhere. That's definitely better than a Lambo model as well. Who the fuck has that? Where do you even get this.

From? So. So this is where I was in Camden, Camden Town today. And they have a. They have like a Back to the Future.

Exhibition.

Yeah. And I walked past it, I was like, yes, this is.

Perfect. I actually was gonna rent the one for the movie that glowed like this, but they said I couldn't drive it because it's, like, not road legal. So that's why I end up getting a standard.

One. Could you not just. Did you have to do driving in the.

Scene? Yeah, well, we didn't even end up driving it because it broke down. So, like, that's why most of the shots are in next to a fucking. It's just literally in a car parking space in Belgrade.

Square. That's what I saw, like, you getting out of it. And, like, the doors.

Are. So I drove it for, like, 10 minutes before we started filming. And it's the worst car I've ever driven in my life. It's literally like a boat. I thought it was gonna crash. It was like I'd forgotten how to drive. The clutch was impossible. The brakes don't work. I was taking a sea shit. Don't chew that. But, yeah, it was. Anyway, that's why we didn't get the proper.

One. But there you go, man. You got that now. Yeah, wicked. So, yeah, back. Back to kind of where we're at, brother. Essentially, from the door to door job. That's what made me realize, like, oh, so like, the harder I work, the more money I earn. And for a bit of context as well, before that, I did have one 9 to 5, which was at Prezos, you know, like the Italian pizza pasta place. My. The story with that is my stepsister used to be a manager there. So I have, like. I have stepsisters and stepbrothers from my stepdad's side, Right. And she got me a place there. So I've been working since I was like 15, 16 years old at Prezos till, like, 18 anyway, and. But I enjoyed, funny enough, the 9th. The. The door to door job was way, way, way harder than the Prezo job. But I enjoyed it way more because, like, I was actually interacting with people and the harder I work, the more money I'd earned. So that's what made me really click. Okay. And that's the whole, like, oh, how did you become an entrepreneur? It wasn't a case of, like, right, today I'm Become an entrepreneur, right? Like, I just. That that door to door job is what made me realize, oh, cool. Like just the harder I work, the more I'm gonna earn now. So I quit that. I moved back to Essex and culture where I used to live. I got like a job at estate agency. Quite funny story. Literally, I put on my nicest suit. Literally just a black suit. Didn't have a cv, nothing, bro, because I thought it was a waste of time. Literally just put on my suit, had AirPods. And I remember this like it was yesterday. I just walked into every single estate agency in Colchester where I used to live. Just such a dickhead. I had sunglasses on and my AirPods. I'd walk in, I would. As soon as I'd walk in, I'd like take one AirPod out, go like this. Are you guys hiring? If they say no, I'm like, cool, just walk out. Mother's.

Life. MI6 or something.

Bro. Mother's life. It must have been like, only my, like fifth or sixth estate agency that I went into got the job there and then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. They were like, like their reaction when I walked in. They were like, fucking, oh, yeah. All right, well, how are you? Because, like, no one's ever done that. And again, to me it's like, it's just common sense, like, if you need the job, just do that. Like, just try and get one. So I worked at this. I'm going to try and kind of keep this one nice and short. I'm sure most people don't really give a fuck about how I worked as an estate agent, but as I was working as an estate agent, which is a filler job, I knew from day one, like when I got the job, it was just for now I wasn't going to be an estate agent. Didn't care about it. I was just thinking, what else can I do to like, really, like, what can I do? I was going to be a PT at one point. I was actually trying to become a personal trainer. So who really wants that T.

Shirt? Trying to protect this T shirt. Hey, that's.

Rude. So, yeah, I was going to be a personal trainer, but then what happened was I was learning because you need a qualification to be a pt. It just didn't work out in the end. And basically I started doing videography and photography because one of my good friends in culture stuff, he has a studio in his apartment kind of like this, but in a corner of his apartment he's got like the microphone, the mixer amp and all this stuff. He's going to be upset now, hiding this. And I would just chill at his, right? And there'd be rappers that come in, do like a song, and then they're like, all right, cool, we've got the song now it's mixer mastered. We need a music video now. And. Yeah, and I was just there, cool, I'll record a music video. And then in college, that's when I learned obviously about videography, editing, putting together. So that's how I got into, like videography media was through music videos, like rap videos. Still one of them is like Live now, so like 10k views. And back then I was like, yeah, this is.

Nuts.

Yeah. And it was like, bro, it was literally like 150 quid. I'd get paid like 200 pound for these music videos and it would take me like a week to make. But I enjoyed it, like, that's the main thing. So, yeah, so I've done that. Then I realized, right, cool, there's not really a lot of money in these music videos. So then I started learning, like, what. Who else could I do videography for photography? I started doing it for car dealerships, lawyers, so on and so on. It was a bit boring. It was all right. That was the typical smma, like a marketing.

Agency. I must remove this dog. He's going crazy about his T shirt. He's just decided he wants it. Right, calm down, go to sleep, be nice. What have we spoken.

About? I should. I should have got him a toy in it. This is my.

Bad. No, he's just Terry, he's gonna write. He's giving up now. Cool, restrain this.

Dog. But yeah, so that's how I got into, like, SMMA without. Without. Again, like, people also asked me, like, oh, how did you get into sma? Like, when did you start your agency? It wasn't a case where, like.

I woke up and I was like, it sounds more organic. Yeah, there's a lot of people now I can watch, like certain YouTubers and quite literally by their course and just starting as an epidemic of. Yeah, yeah, SMMA agencies that basically don't know what the fuck they're doing because they've never done anything correct. Not everyone, but some.

Correct. I don't think there's anything wrong with just being like, alright, cool, today I want to start an sma. Or today I want to start an Only Fans Management agency. But you have to, like, at least know what you're doing. So for me, for example, I didn't just, like I said, just, just wake up one day and go, right, I want to start a marketing agency in. By the time I got to the point where I was running a marketing agency, I had already had like two, three years of experience of doing videography, talking to businesses and stuff like that, which people don't see. And they just think, oh, he started when he got lucky and he got some clients. And another thing, I'd done a whole year of door to door sales, so I had a year's worth of sales experience. So like, so, so for me, when I started the sma, right, I found it just super fucking easy. It was just talking to other business owners. It wasn't rocket science. I just pick up the phone, call every single car dealership. I love cars. Like that's, that's, that was my thing. I just caught every single. There was no CRM, I had.

No spreadsheet, I had nothing to start as making videos for.

Them. Yeah, correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of my first ever clients shout out to you guys, total head turners. They're actually in Chelmsford. They're classic cars actually, funny enough, like classic retro cars dealership. They're my first ever client and I was doing like videos for them and things like that. And it was so great to work with because they had no idea what to do with like videography and marketing, but they were up for everything. Those are like the best clients. We don't like rolling shots, like just all different cars and shit. And it was.

Great. So this like their website or to actually pump on.

Social. Socials. Socials, right. So initially, bro, it started off as just me doing the videos and the content. Then when we started doing these videos and content, they were just, I don't know what to do with it. They were just posting on their Facebook.

Bro.

Exactly. So then they came to me and they're like, well, do you want to actually manage our Facebook as well? And I was like, yes. I didn't know what the hell I was doing at that point, but I was like, yes. Funny story, by the way, bro. You know how if you get a new client now or I don't know if. Did you ever run like a paid ads agency or not?

Never. Just straight into like the only people that never.

Did. Building your own stores and stuff, right? But if you want to connect your ads account to a different one, right, you need to like get there, send their email address and so on and so on. I didn't know how to do that, but I was like, yeah, I know how to do that. So I was in that office I was watching a YouTube video and how to do it it whilst doing it myself. So, yeah, so that's how I got into it, bro. I've done that for about a year. No, two years. About two years from 2019 till end of 2021. I want to say around it was. I remember I had the switch in October. Is it 2020, April, when lockdown.

Happened? I believe it was March, April.

20Th. Yeah. So that's when like everything changed. Because obviously all car dealerships went on pause. I mean, they were on lockdown, right. And I knew what pause meant. Like, they're not gonna come back because. No, nobody knew what that, bro. Fucking people thought the world is ending at that.

Point. Yeah, I remember that. I remember being forced to wear black rubber gloves to go in the gym. There was a gym in the building we used to live in over there. That was so weird. I remember that for like a week. And then people, they just sort of stopped it. But so strange. I think I was scared of COVID then like everyone else for like a week. And then I realized quite quickly it wasn't quite.

That. Do you remember when you couldn't go into a restaurant without the thing? I'm trying to not get this.

Censored, but I mean, don't get me started. There's so many wild.

Things. And then you walk into the.

Restaurant. A lot of stuff has come out since. Which proves all the mad people at the time were not so.

Mad. Anyway, yeah, we can go into a massive conspiracy theory, but again, on my mother's life, I swear to God, I'm not lying to you. I was telling my mom from day one, mom, this is mad. Like, I don't believe this, I swear to God. And even my mum was like, come on, darling, look, there's a video of a person walking and just falling face first. I was like, mom, this is not. This doesn't seem straight. Don't get wrong. There was a point where I was like, shit, this seems pretty bad. Yeah, but it was just always something fishy going.

On. There's always a correlation between entrepreneurs broadly and viewing like the mass consensus the opposite way about anything. It's just funny. Well, does no one else have any common.

Sense? I think also we probably look at it from a business point of view as well. So, for example, have you seen what's happening with the eggs egg farms in.

America? Yeah, I've heard about.

This. Right. All of a sudden there's been like three of the largest ones in USA that are burnt down in the last, like Seven.

Days. That's very.

Sus. And the price of eggs has skyrocketed. And who's invested into like eggs? Yeah, of these, of these farms. Yeah. So that's how I got into it essentially, brother. Like marketing and so on and so on. So then it. For like two years, it was great. I got it to about 12,000 because I know a lot of people always are curious. I got it to about £12,000 per month. Like my agency. To me, that was nuts, bro. Then that was crazy because obviously for context, at the door to door job, the most I ever made was four and a half K in a month. Yeah. But on average I'd make about two, two and a half.

Thousand. Was that just you or do you have like a.

Team? So that, that's what I would make, but then I would have a team as well. And the end of the journey, like. So throughout the year, six, seven months, it was just me. And the last couple months I started to build a team. And that's also. Remember when I said the reason why I left is because there was a bullshit cap. So the, the rule was I think all door to door jobs are different. But my one was like, if you have a team of four, so you're the leader and you have four people like working with you, then you get promoted to like head office or some shit like that and you can open up your own office, essentially, which I hit all the criteria, but they weren't letting me open my own office for months for no reason. Obviously I know now why, because if I was in their office, I'd make them a lot of commissions. So it was in their best interest to keep me there. But anyway, so yeah, so I'd done that for quite some time. And then when Covid happened, I switched from working with car dealerships to law firms. Still marketing Facebook ads. No content creation. It was just Facebook ads at this point, by the way. And Google Ads. The reason why law firms. I never, I've never been to law school, I don't know anything about law, but I know the motherfucker's got a lot of.

Money. That's very.

True. And also obviously at that point, very important. Which was, is it Covid proof? AKA like, you know, can the business still run if everything is shut down? And law firms just ticked both of those boxes massively. So I was like, perfect, right? So I started working law firms. And this is where I mean, I was going to say unfortunately, but definitely fortunately now, because I just got bored of everything. I just got like by that point as well, I had been doing marketing for like four years, five years. It was just the same, bro. Like you, like, you know, I had team members at that point. The most I ever made of a marketing agency was like 40 grand. I think some clients paid me like six months up front somewhere on a monthly billing, etc, but on average I was making like 30,000 again, which is like, very good and impressive to, like, the average person. But to me, it's just like, I was stuck at that level for so long. I was talking to lawyers. No offense, if you're a lawyer. I just. I have nothing in common with you. I had to wear, like a shirt on my Zoom calls. I had to, like, talk a certain way. It just. I didn't feel like me, you know, And. And I. And I started the whole content marketing because I enjoyed it. Like, I like making videos for car dealerships. Like, I really enjoy that. I do it for free. And then now we got to a point where, like, I was working for money and the money was okay, but I wasn't enjoying it. So then, I mean, you talking about this off camera, about traveling. So you traveled quite a bit as well.

Right? Yeah, fucking.

Loads. Yeah. Was it mainly around, like, Europe and Asia.

Or. Started in Europe, then went Asia, Australia, America. But yeah, Asia is what got me most excited at the.

Time. Yeah. Like.

Bali. Bali and shit.

Yeah. So kind of the same thing, but for me, I only basically stay around Europe and I travel. So that's when I traveled for like two years. I also started a coaching business at that point as well, called Ad Academy. The most lucrative industry in the world. Like, you're literally selling information. The profit margins are fucking.

100%.

Yeah. So I was like, cool. So I was running my marketing agency and my coaching business at this point, and I was traveling. The marketing agency kind of really slowed down. I had like one or two clients that were paying like 5k. And my coaching business was doing pretty.

Good. Coaching people to start.

Agencies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. And in terms of that as well, by the way, for context, it wasn't a case where, like, again, I woke up one day and I was like, right, today I'm gonna start coaching business. I have a Facebook group, which you guys can still find right now. If you go on Facebook right now, you just search S smma, which is like what stands for social media marketing agency. My group typically is the first one. It's got 30,000 people, all real members. The reason why I started that group, by the way, is Because I was living in like a council estate back when I first started, like, marketing. None of my friends wanted to do online businesses. Nothing to do with that. Literally none of them. All they ever wanted to do was either do drugs or sell them. So I was like, yeah, I'm not on it. So I started my own little group on Facebook, I swear to God, just for the purpose of like networking with other, like minded people. Just a cool community. Then because I was the face of it. Instead of created by Marcus Hustle on Facebook, people would message me all the time, like for advice. And I would do it for free at first because it was only like five messages a day, to be.

Honest. Yeah, yeah, you should like turn us, turn a screw and start.

Printing. Well, that's it. Yeah, I mean, essentially, when you have the community, you can do what you want with.

It.

Right? So yeah, and then, and then essentially just got to the point where like, there was literally guys messaging me. Hey, how much for your coaching? I didn't do coaching. I just had the Facebook group. And I was like, what do you mean, like? And then he goes, you know, how much would you charge for, like, to coach me on how to run the agency? I was like, 250. £250? And he was like, all right. I was like, really? He was like, yeah, I'll just do it. How do I pay you? I was, all right, sweet. So he paid me £250. And all I had to do was do one zoom call with him a week for. For a month. So 4.4Zoom calls a month for £250. I was like, yo, what? People were gonna pay me to do a zoom call with me? And that's kind of how the coaching started. And obviously, eventually then I realized, oh, wait, so if I just. Because I had kept having the same questions over and over, alright, so if I just record a video that answers the same question that I keep getting, I can just send that video to them. And that's how I slowly built an online course. And then I just started selling that and I started really learning about info products and being a coach. And I was like, shit, this industry is insane. Like, it's so scalable. Profit margins are insane. And also for me, having somebody go through like an online course and go from 0 to just like 5k a month is way more satisfying than helping a lawyer go from half a million a month to like 600k a month. Because to me it's like. And to the lawyer doesn't really mean much. It's 100 grand to a kid. When I say a kid like 18, 19, who's just finished or dropped out of college to make an extra five grand in a month to him, he's buzzing. And that was the best feeling ever. And that's kind of how I got into coaching and stuff now in terms of onlyfans. So what I do now is I run an onlyfans consultancy, management agency. How I got into that is when I started traveling for those two years, I met a lot of girls who were already in Onlyfans or just starting.

Out. Well, like.

Bali. And so for no, around Europe, I was meant to go Bali, actually. I had tickets. But they changed the rule again to where you had to have mandatory vaccine. Yeah, I wasn't doing.

It. Get around that. I got around.

That. Yeah, I did, but I never went, to be honest. Yeah. So no. So it was around Europe, right?

Yeah. So like Eastern Europe or just.

Europe? Europe, Spain, France were mainly around Spain. I was living in Tenerife and Marbella for quite some time. IBEA is fun. Yeah, that was that. But this, for context, this is about. Yeah, three years ago. Now it's 2023. So it was about three years ago, two years.

Ago. When did only fans get.

Founded?

2017. Yes. It's not actually that old, is it? No, six.

Years.

Yeah. That's.

Mad. But. But since the COVID like, lockdown it had. If you look at the chart, like, it's got a massive spike. Yeah, it's insane. And obviously I joined like the best time in the.

World. So is that. How did that come about? So you just met these girls? Yeah, you were currently doing the market and stuff still. And it was a gradual opportunity.

Transition. So I was traveling with one of my boys, Andre. Well, it was kind of like I went to one country and I met a couple of my boys, went to a different country, met a couple of my boys, are different lads. But then. But then for the second year into traveling, I just traveled with me and my boy Andre. He was also running agency, but he's a friend of mine from the door to door job. Say.

Again? Is that the guy on.

Twitter? No, no, no, you won't know.

Him. He's okay. Because I'm just thinking of that name and some guy that has a lot of onlyfans up on.

Twitter. Oh, no, he doesn't do onlyfans. No, no, he was doing a smma. Yeah. Yeah. And he's not on. He's not on socials. You definitely don't know. So, yeah, me and him were Traveling and just, you know, yeah, we're just going out, Tinder, you know, whatever. Just meeting a lot of girls and we just noticed like pretty much there's a trend they're all fucking doing. Only fans. And I'm like, huh, interesting. And it wasn't until like we had like some girls come around us that were both doing of and we're just like, you know, just, just drinking, pre drinks talking to them and like she showed me like her phone, like how much she was making a month. It was like 12, it was like 15, 15, 16,000 thousand misses per month. And I'm like, yo, what? And then all you have to do is just upload some photos and videos and that's it. She's like, yeah. And I'm like, so I'm just curious like, so what's stopping you from like making more? She's like, oh. If I'm honest, like I don't have the time and I don't really know how to like get.

More. She's doing this on the.

Side. Yeah, yeah. Well, no, it was kind of full time. I think she was a student and she was also. But in terms of job wise, like money, just. Oh. So I asked her like, so what's stopping you? Because again, from a business point of view, I always look at everything like, so what's stopping you from like making more? And she was like time and not the knowledge of like what, where to market, like what to do. I was like, interesting. Funny that because my marketing agency saves people time and help some marketing. So I was like, interesting. So then the next morning I was hanging my ass, but I was just learning about OnlyFans, like looking into it like crazy. And that's essentially how I like started learning about it and getting into it then. And yeah, essentially my first clients, again, they weren't. Again, it wasn't a case where like I woke up and I was like, let me start an OnlyFans management agency. It was literally just reaching back to those girls. Like, do you want to work together? But I'll help you do this, this, this. I'll just take a percentage. This is also the massive difference by the way, because we have a marketing agency, I would get my law firm clients to pay me a monthly base upfront. Whereas with this, with OnlyFans, you take a percentage of the earnings. So if somehow you don't make like a certain amount, like you make less. You know what I mean? And the girl doesn't have to pay you anything upfront. So there's not really Any risk, win, win. Right? So, so that's kind of how I pitched it. I was like, look, let me just do this for a month. I promise you I know what the fuck I'm doing. Like, I'm a nerd when it comes to marketing. Like, I love looking at like, oh, what gets more clicks, what gets more engagement and all these, like analytics. I love all that stuff. I'm going to make sure I do all your marketing. I'm going to try and do your only fans and da, da, da, da. And let's just try out and I'll just take, I'll just take 30% of what you do. She's like, all right, cool. Yeah. And it just fucking worked like because the girl didn't have enough time to actually do all the messaging and stuff, whereas I was like, fucking, let me just try it. And what's really funny is like me as a guy, I know what other guys want when they're doing a messaging and it was just like simple. Like all you have to do is just like essentially play along with like what they want, like play into their fantasies.

Etc. So a girl that like at the start. So this girl said she make 15 grand a month. I'm just interested in this. Is she like got a big following already or is she just like a normal girl that's, I don't know, got a few, thousand followers, 10k. She's just getting that from like a link in.

Bio. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Purely.

Organic. Yeah, it's just 10k Instagram followers. You don't have crazy, you don't have to be. And I know I say, I just say just 10k. But like nowadays girls have way more than on average, like at least definitely London. So no, you don't have to be like no crazy influencer. What makes the most amount of money is like the craziest that you do, the more guys will pay. Or alternatively if you are like of a high standard or of a high level. So for example, we have one model. I can show you this after. But obviously for NDA reasons, I'll generally. I'll show you, I'll show you kind of the numbers and stuff after. We have one model who is an influencer. She has like 6,000, I believe, like followers on Instagram, but she works in one of the high end. I know you've probably been to one of the high end nightclubs. It's like rain, but it's not rain. So you probably know which one. You know those dancers and bottle girls. So she's One of those. And most of her followers are obviously guys that go to the club. They have a lot of money to spend. They're. They're wealthy. Right. So we launched her of. Bro, we. We're selling a picture of our ass for.

$100. Hell, is that a custom picture, as in like one per bloke? Or is it like. No, because how does it actually work? I mean, I know there's. I've never been a customer and I never will be, but I'm sure lots of guys watching this. Maybe secretly, I don't know. But, like, I will click on it. I've seen it before. Obviously, like, there's like monthly membership. Is that just to get like general access and then you can pay for, like, custom shit on top?

Correct. Basically, it simply. Yeah, yeah. So it's like you. So this. Every girl has a chance to either do a free account or, like a paid account. And that's just to, like, see her stuff and talk to her. So with the idea with the two options, and the girl can choose whatever and she can switch it whenever she wants as well. So with a free account, it's essentially like an Instagram. Think of it that way, right? So you have to sign up to OnlyFans as a guy and then you just follow her. Right? And it's all free. And then you can see her feed post, which is the same as like Instagram feed posts. Think of it that way. Or like her profile. Right. And typically on there, if it's a free account, she obviously won't be posting nothing crazy. It'll be like the same post as Instagram. You're like bikini photos, things like that. Yeah. Then where the money comes in is when the guy messages her and then asks for, like, either a custom video or a photo, a voice note, you know, from. And so.

On. And so, yeah, can you also have a paid. Because I've seen it before, I've clicked on them and it's like 20 quid a.

Month. So most of them are paid. Yeah.

Yeah. So I could. Paid just for the standard account. Correct. Just for their general content. And then beyond that, there's like the weird.

Shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And obviously the. And here it's interesting. And this is why I just. I love it, bro, because it's like you can play around with. You can do two. Two, like, main methods, essentially, which is it's either a free account to subscribe, but then in order for the guy to message the girl, he has to tip her.

Right?

Yeah. Or the guy has to pay straight up first to even see the stuff. But then he can message her for free and then he can get more stuff like in the customs and dms. Yeah, but, yeah, but it's very interesting where some girls can charge a lot more and some girls have to charge less. There's a lot of reasons for that, but mainly it's to do with, like, what has the girl already, like, done and in the past. So, for example, one of our models, she's an actual porn star. I can say her name, actually. Jess West. And I've heard of her, to be fair. Mark did a little quick Google and there's another one, but anyway, I'll keep that one private. So obviously, because they're actual porn stars, you can find that. Actually, you might need to censor that word. Corn stars demonetized. Anyway, anyway, so, because they obviously do that, you can see their content for free on these.

Websites. So I actually found this so interesting, by the way, because we're not talking about E commerce, but it's kind of the same principles. It's just in a different.

World.

Yeah. And it's a more murky, probably intriguing world to a lot of people that are too scared to kind of ask about.

It. Yeah. Yeah. I remember when I done Phil Reads podcast, he, the response was just insane. And Phil, Phil was asking me all the hard questions, like, so are you manipulating girls and start at it? Because even the way you started the podcast, and I agree, by the way, bro, this industry is like, fuck me. There are so many. It's very, very one of the two. It's like you either agree with it and it's like, it's cool, girls are making money, whatever, or it's like, you know, this is disgusting, you shouldn't do it, etc. Etc. If I'm honest, I'm in the middle. I understand both sides. Yeah. The way I look at it, by the way, just in general, like, this industry as a whole is like, whether I do it or not is going to happen. Like, somebody's going to be doing it either way. Like, that doesn't matter. Is it haram? Yes. Am I Muslim? No. Like, I, you know, if I was, obviously I wouldn't be doing it. And, you know, there has been guys who have asked me as well, like, oh, can I, you know, start if I'm Muslim? Etc, I'll literally tell you, no. Like, it's literally haram, do not do it. But to me, like, I respect your religion and I hope you can respect my opinion. Like, if I'M not, I don't. I'm not Christian, nothing like that. So for me, it's like, I don't have a problem with that. In terms of the girls, we do not work with girls who are just starting out. We only will work with girls who are already making kind of 10k a month and onwards. The girl who is working, the one I was talking about working at the nightclub, she's an exception because she's a friend of a friend. My girlfriend Becks, she used to work in one of those nightclubs. But typically, yeah, we won't message a girl to like, hey, do you want to start? Or any fans? Like, you'll have to. Already been doing it. Yeah. So it's not like we're trying to get girls into starting something that they don't want to do. And there's just so many like qualifications that we go through. So to me it's like. And also from the guy's point of view that's paying for this stuff, at the end of the day, he's getting faster replies, he's getting more content. So it's like everyone wins, in my.

Opinion. I have so many questions, but I want to go back really. So sure. When you started it, what was the period and process from. You got the sma, you do this little, I guess, pilot launch with the first girl or girls. How long did that take for you to realize that it's basically more lucrative and potentially more interesting. And then you kind of sacked off the SLMO stuff that just like fizzle out or how long was that.

Process? I can't remember the exact dates, but I know. And again, it actually wasn't like a case of like, right, I'm closing it, but I basically quit my. My marketing agency. Like I mentioned earlier, I had like two clients, two law firm clients at that point, just. Just on a monthly basis. I was getting them really good results. Yeah, it's. It's kind of.

Hot. I just swallowed a fucking chili.

Bit. Where is actual chili bits in.

There? I don't know, but it felt like.

It. This drink is qu. So, yeah, so I had like two law firm clients just like going and I can still shout them out. Maryland law firm. My. No, his name. Was it Michael? Yeah, I think his name is Michael. No, Dan. Dan Murphy. That's his name. Super nice guy. He was like my. It was like my longest client for. For law firms. Funny enough, by the way, he was actually trying to help me with my only fans agency. Maddest thing ever. Just really, really quick side Note, he's a lawyer. He's a criminal lawyer. Right. But he also. I don't know if I can. Yeah, I think I can say this. He had like strip clubs. Yeah, it's quite.

Funny. More money from.

That. Yeah. But he was honestly one of this and the reason why I enjoyed working with him the most. As you can imagine, he's a criminal lawyer, so he's not very like. He's wearing a suit and stuff, but he's not so formal all the time. You know, he swears he's just like, I found him just like me. Whereas all the other lawyers are so boring. It's like, why. Anyway, quick side note. Done. So your question was how do I kind of do the.

Transition?

Yeah. So I was still on holiday. Not holiday, but I was traveling all around Europe and I basically just said, look, the law firm clients, like it's been great, but I think it's just not really, you know, going to be working out for us. I think I remember I did try, I was a bit cheeky so I thought, fuck it, why not? I was going to quit it anyway. I tried to basically double the service fee because I knew they're going to say no anyway. But if they said, yeah, why not 10k service, we all do it. But obviously they both said no. And I was like, fair enough, no problem. And I even helped them partner with one of my students at that point as well. So that's, that's how I kind of got away from that. And I had like one media buyer and one staff member, so it wasn't a case like had a massive fucking thing going on where I had to like, you know, sell it all, etc. So it was just a really simple. Just quit it. And by that point as well, I had already been making about 5, 10k a month with OnlyFans management. I took on more girls. I started playing around with chatters. So essentially these would be people who did. Doing the messages rather than I'm having to sit there and so it's getting already pretty hands off and it was getting pretty.

Lucrative. How long did you do the messes yourself for then? I mentioned before, someone I know does it and he's. I think he still does it all himself and he's showing me some weird.

Shit. I don't know.

How. How do you. How long did you do it? Like, was that.

Weird? About a.

Month. And yes, and also like with the content that they're. Is your content, you're sending the guy as the girl. Have you got that like pre.

Made. So yes and no. So, so the customs obviously know, right? So the guy maybe literally, like he'll say, can you write my name on your tits? Obviously, like, we'll have to. So I'm in a group chat with the girl. I'm quickly. Or you know, just a WhatsApp chat with the girl. And I'll quickly ask her, hey, can you do this? Boom. Instantly does it. That's how the customers would work. But we would also have like, there's a thing called the vault on OnlyFans and that's where you can have like just. It's basically like a Google Drive folder, right. And there's like just unlimited content on there. And what I realized over time was like, okay, typically guys are into like different fetishes. So I'll get the girl to create different types of content for the different fetishes. You know, like feet, ass, boobs, this and this and this. Right? Yeah. So she would have already pre made like photos and videos, maybe even like, you know, voice notes of these different categories. Yeah. So a bit of.

Both. And did she ever find that way about you having access to all.

That?

No. It's like, you just get over.

That. Yeah. This is the maddest thing for me. And I remember Phil asked me this as well. He was like, you must have seen it all. I was like, yeah. When I first did, it was like, it was a bit mad because you just see like, even now, like, we'll sign up a model. I mean, for now. I don't even speak to most of them. I do after they have signed up with our agency, but it's like in the early stages, I would do a Zoom call with a girl for the first time ever. I've never met her in real life, anything like that. It was typically a referral from a friend of a friend. And so she, I guess already trust me. But still, to me it was just a mad concept of like speaking to a girl on. On Zoom for the first time ever. She says, yeah, cool, sounds good. Signs a contract with me and my agency starts and literally five minutes later sends me the login details to of. And it's like everything is there. But.

Yeah. Anyway, you've felt like you might develop feelings or some.

Shit? Nah, not.

Really. I guess maybe it's hard to get feelings for girls. I have an only fans account, but that's sickening. But you know, I mean, yeah, only that you've been like, oh, shit.

Now over time, you kind of just not get numb to it. But it's just like. It's just the same shit. Like. Like imagine if. Imagine spending a whole day on pornhub.com like within two hours you'd be like, Yeah, no, no, it wasn't. It wasn't really. And obviously now as well, like, we obviously have a very strict rule, like, we do not ever meet up with any of the models. There's only been a couple cases where we've met them. For example, I met one of our recent ones, so Jess west, she's the porn.

Star. Everyone's Googling that.

Girl, but she's so sound. She has a husband as well. The maddest relationship. They're both niche, they're both into, they're both porn stars and obviously, anyway, it.

Works.

Sex. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. But I went around hers and. Yeah, so, so, but typically, no, like, we don't ever meet our models. We don't really. Like, you know, we obviously have a strict rule where there's by any means, like, you're not allowed to obviously have sexual intercourse with them. With a client. It. Everything up.

Yeah. Has that ever happened, to your knowledge, in, like, anyone that you know in.

The. Oh, for sure, for sure. There's. There's one recently I'm not going to mention because I don't want to give them any credit or clout because they're a agency. But there is a scandal going about right now. So. Right now is the. The 4th of February. I can guarantee in about like a week or so there's going to be like a massive article or something about it. The owner of the agency, he's like half of their models and given them.

STDs.

Were. Yeah, I.

Know. Tokyo.

Sorry. Sorry for the vulgar language. Tokyo. But yeah, so. And, And I've been speaking to some of the models, like, you know, who are.

Her. Cancelled working with.

Him. Well, here's the thing. They can't. They're in a contract. You have to sign a contract. Yeah. And it's just. It's so horrible. It genuinely is horrible. Like some of the girls are genuinely crying, like, sending me voice notes about it. But the unfortunate truth is, like, you know, you can take them to court.

But. But I assume that was.

Consensual. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, it's nothing like he's. No.

No. Paying him in a state.

Wherever. No, no, no. It's nothing. Fair play to, you know, isn't. There's nothing like that. But at the end of the day, like, the girl genuinely had that, which is.

Nuts. Yeah, yeah. Do customers ever can like girls. Is it allowed to offer that on only fans? Like.

Sex? No. No, absolutely.

Not. Does that.

Happen?

No. Is there ever like offers, crazy.

Offers and shit There are there. So I know of a like, of a method. Not a method, but it's like a strategy I guess. And I swear to God it would have never done it or tried it. But it's like, it's like a short term play. So you'd create an account of like this girl and you. And by the way, for context as well, just so you know, and all the watchers, it's. It's against terms of services of OnlyFans to organize meetups or to send phone numbers and all this stuff. Right. So you should always keep everything strictly within OnlyFans the chat. So yeah. So obviously organizing meetups is wolf, like completely forbidden. Like do not do that. But I do know some guys who literally what they'll do is they'll create a fake OnlyFans account of a girl. Like it's a real girl, but they'll create a fake account of her.

Maybe. So common though, huh? Is that like really.

Common? Not.

Really. Because Verification. Yeah.

Correct. And it's getting harder and harder to verify, which to me it's fine because we actually do work with the models. But to somebody like that, yes, you know, but yeah, so you know, beforehand it was just really easy to create an account. As long as you have a picture of the girl like this, like a selfie and she's holding up the driving license or passport, you can just create the account. Now it's a lot more difficult, which is really good. It's good thing. But yeah, so these guys would create fake accounts of these girls and obviously pretend to be the girl and then organize fake meetups and then say, oh baby, you know, I need a visa to come here or my flight is £600 or this and that and obviously just scam them. That I know of that happening. But in terms of like genuinely actually organizing meetups, like no, that's obviously escorting and that's illegal. So no, we don't do.

That.

Yeah. But then also I feel like you do get obviously a lot of weirdos. So you know, you would be putting the girl a massive risk. But you can't do.

That. And then when you said you hired chatters, where are they? Are they full time? Like are they in the Philippines? I guess it's a virtual assistant for OnlyFans.

Business. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. But I like VAs.

Yeah. And are they like experienced in that specifically? Usually or do you bring them into.

It? So we've tried a bit of everything. When I first started, I worked with Chatters in the UK simply because, like, I just knew of people and girls who are either in this industry or X industry who've done it and then aren't doing it anymore. And that's how we first started. Obviously with people in the UK is they'll be of higher caliber in terms of like, I mean, English is the first language, so. So it's easy for them to talk and sexton English, but they'll obviously charge a lot more, you know, so it's like profit margin, etc. So then I started playing around with overseas workers. I had a lot of virtual assistants that I'd worked with when I was running my agency, my marketing agency. So I just reached out to them, seeing if they wanted to do it. Most of them said no, but they knew of people and that's kind of how I started working with.

Some. And how would they get paid? Is it just like a standard salary or are they also getting.

Commissioned? So the UK ones were on a commission because I realized with the smaller girls, it worked out cheaper for me to do a.

Commission.

Yeah. Whereas like an hourly. And also they'll be better incentivized to like vlogging in the morning as well if they're on a commission. But with overseas it was just simply just an hourly. And then with overseas, it was mainly Philippines. I.

Worked. Yeah, yeah. No, it's the same E commerce and shit. Just a. The whole culture there is. I've got a mate who's got 500 plus Filipino base on the.

Books. Yeah.

Yeah. It's across like multiple shit. But it's kind of mad and like she has an army and he uses WhatsApp to speak to all of.

Them. It's fucking crazy the amount of love I have for Filipino people. Like, they're just the most nicest people. And you'll send them a hundred.

Countries. I've been there.

Once. I have yet to.

Visit. I'm really.

Mad.

Yeah. I've never felt like a celebrity as.

Much. What do you.

Mean? I went to Baguio City, which is like the equivalent of going to, I don't know, fucking Stoke in Philippines. Right. So it's not like a tourist place like Manila or, I don't know, anywhere.

Else. Like a.

Village. Yeah, it was like a village on a fucking hill. And I was there for an E commerce event like five years ago. But I remember we went to this nightclub and we got like, I Swear we got like military grade escort there or some bullshit and it was like 100 pound or something. And it was the only nightclub I've ever been to where the, the bouncers were like nice to us. It was literally a case of like, which girl do you want out of fucking everyone. Yeah, just I felt like a.

Celebrity treating you like the.

Royalty. You're there with blonde hair and you just stand out like a sore thumb. There's some weird stories from that trip which I probably never say on this podcast. Some very niche ones, some fucking high risk.

Shit. Did you ever meet like a virtual assistant out there? Did you have any from at the.

Time? I probably didn't. It's just like when I was getting started. But I've always said to my mates we should do a trip to, to the Philippines and meet everyone we ever worked with and like take them out of clubbing and shit. It'd be so lit. So I used to have like 45 people in the Philippines when I was running the Neon.

Brand.

Yeah. And I always thought I'd do like a massive club night and pay for everything be so.

Lit. But bro, I tell you, I tell you what, I've done that twice now in terms of like flying to a country where my worker is like meeting them and like taking them on a crazy like holiday basically, right? I've done it twice now for anybody that's watching this and is like running an online business and has like overseas workers, like virtual assistants, whatever it might be. And if they're from a third world country, the annoying thing is it's like, it's the best thing in the world for me, like, for me as a person because like for both of these guys, I had worked with them for over a year and now it's been like one of them is over three years, one of them is over two years. To me it's like the best thing in the world because seeing their first of all, just meeting them in person after being on zoom with them for like, you know, hours upon hours upon hours meeting them in.

Person. There's a few people like that now.

Met. Yeah, right. It's crazy. So meeting him in person is incredible. Then, you know, taking them to all these luxury places in their city that they could never afford to do is like, you know, and seeing their face and their reaction is just the best thing ever. But you know, it's really interesting, weird. And it's two for two for me. So maybe it's just like a coincidence for me, but for me it's Two for two. After I left, they both like, the work rate is.

Gone.

Really? You think it's the opposite. And I think, you know, because they might watch this and, you know, they'll probably know who they are. And I'm still working with both of them. They're great people and, you know, I've obviously had to bring up like, hey, you know, why does the work rate drop? Like, what's happening here, what's happening there? And I think what probably has happened is when you go and meet these, these guys and they see the lifestyle, right, and you pay for like, you know, the best restaurants and nightclubs and all this stuff, they, they're like, oh, so I can, I can afford this stuff now. I could do this now. Like one of, one of our, one of our staff. I just paid him just shy of 7,000 pound. He's in Serbia, bro. That's nearly a million. Like that of that Serbian. I forgot the current lek. I think like a loaf of bread is like 200 or something, right? So he's living like an actual king. And I'm assuming they're just like now going out and doing this crazy stuff. So that's just my experience. But maybe, yeah, maybe it's just my coincidence. Two for two. But genuinely, it's dipped.

Massively. Treating me and keeping king. Maybe that logic doesn't.

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Chatters. Like how do you. Do you train them for that? Or like you said, most people have come from a job or like they already know the industry and like, how would you define a good chatter? Obviously, like, I suppose like you said, being able to speak English natively probably helps a lot because, like chatting in general, but particularly like sexting. Do guys ever spot that it's a chatter rather than the girl? And surely you think they'd cop onto this by now, or is it just the clientele are a bit both, I.

Guess. Yeah. So there's a lot to unwrap there. So the biggest thing to like answer everything in one go is like, can you speak any other languages than.

English? Honestly?

No. Fluent?

No. I used to be quite good at French when I was in.

School. Yeah. But so let's just.

Say. I wish I.

Could. Let's just say that as an example, right, if you was to be flirting, because you can probably speak somewhat, a little bit of French now, but if you were to like try and flirt in French to a French girl. Yes. Like, you know, it just wouldn't sound natural. Just would be a bit, especially over text because then you can't hear the tonality and see the body language and stuff. Right. This, the same goes for, you know, somebody from like Philippines trying to. Trying to sext in. In English, even though you might do a zoom call with them and they sound incredible English and like they sound American because most Filipino vas do this American. But when it comes to sexting it, it just doesn't sound right for the most part. Don't get wrong, I've had exceptions and you do get quite a lot of exceptions. Well, but for the most part, when you have somebody from a different speaking language trying to do like chatting for a different language, it just doesn't work for the most part. That being said, we still do have like two overseas chatters who are incredible. They're both from Philippines and they are just like, it's just you wouldn't think that you're speaking to somebody from, from a different country. Yeah, but for the most part, yeah. In terms of how do we get to, in terms of like chatters, how do we find out all this stuff and where are we now? I think I mentioned earlier, like, we tried English like ones in the uk, then we tried overseas, etc, we've just found that either like gay guys from the uk, like they work really well because at the end of the day what it comes down to is you need to know how to talk to a man who's horny, as mad as that sounds. Right. And funny enough, gay guys know how to do that pretty well. And also gay like guys at the end of the day, like, like guys for me, I found always, like it's a lot easier to. I guess I might sound like sexist, whatever, but it's just a lot easier from my experience to tell a guy to do something and like he'll just do it. Whereas a lot of females, it depends on obviously who you're talking to, but just my personal experience, a lot of times when I tell a girl to do something, if she thinks otherwise, like she'll go and do it that way and so on and so on. So we found like gay guys work really, really well or obviously ex of models, right? So girls who have been in the industry, they have quit for whatever reason. So that means that they have it themselves before they know what it is, they know how, how it works. Those are really, really.

Great. Find them. Because I'm guessing It's not on.

LinkedIn. That's a good. So again, because this is such a, like small industry and like you said, I'm like the first guest on here, right, who's in this industry. You probably won't find many. The industry is so small, so it is mostly just word of mouth. There's a lot of telegram groups as well, but most of it is like, if I need something I will just ask one person, that one person will ask like another five and within like a couple minutes I'll find what it is. And there's not a lot of people really. And especially in the fucking uk, the OFC in America is pretty big, but here in, in the UK it's really not that big. There's like one or two big agencies here in the uk. Yeah, one of them is going through that fucking allegation I mentioned. So they're probably not going to be around for too long. So yeah, so that's about chatters, but it's an interesting, it's interesting that the chatting side of this industry is kind of like a very low key subject because I try not to talk about it too much. Of course not that like it's a secret. Like at the end of the day it's, it's all out there. Like before I even met you, I'm sure you already knew that. Like that's a thing. Like you know, a lot of.

The time the girls, that's what makes me think. Do the customers not think that? I mean like I don't know if there's even a stat for this but like how many, like what percentage of the population are paying for this? You know, because obviously it's a massive industry but I just instinctively assume it's like the sort of bottom 10%. Like people that can't get girls and I don't know, maybe or just have like niche fetishes alongside real relationships. I don't know. But at least the examples I've seen from other people, they are like at least the ones that spend the most seem a bit got screw.

Loose. I mean bro, I think you hit the nail on the head. Me and my girlfriend speak about this all the time. It's like when, when I first got over because she already knew I was doing. I remember we had this conversation, it was like, like who the is doing it? Who's paying for this.

Stuff? And also got money as well. I've seen guys spend like a thousand pounds a.

Day. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So they're not.

Broke. Yeah, yeah. A lot of like bro, these, A lot of these gamers combination. A lot of these gamers who like collect like little figures of like. What is it called? Not Warhammer, Minecraft very.

Much. Is it Minecraft? Yeah, World of Warcraft or some.

Shit. Dragons and Dungeon, Dungeons and Dragons. They've got money, bro. But yeah, to answer your question, most of the time it genuinely is. Yeah. Like people who put it this way and I said this song feels putty, right? It's like me and you, we might spend like two grand on a stupid night out but like if we, if we're there to celebrate like one of one of our boys achievement or his birthday, whatever to me and you, it's like that two grand, like we enjoyed it and it's like I wouldn't say it was perfect for most of me I don't enjoy going out much but you know, we spend that money. Cool. To somebody else who's very like introverted, maybe like a fucking nerd. And I used to be One I used to play little video games, all this stuff when I was a little kid. But somebody who's like 27 years old, an introvert nerd who just sits at home and maybe is like a computer scientist at like fucking Microsoft and works from home, who makes like eight grand a month to him, he might just spend that two grand in a month. On the burden only fans where the girl. And by the way, this is, this is definitely doable. Like the girl can do zoom call. Not a zoom call but we do Skype calls. So the girl would do a Skype call with, with the guy who.

Subbed. Oh, is that a thing? Is that a premium.

Option? Not on of but it's like outside of the box. Right. That's something that we offer. Right, so like Grey Line. Grey Line you.

Mentioned. So they can't meet them go off platform.

Correct? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, to somebody like that they might spend. So that's kind of how, at least how I'm imagining it. Right. It's like to somebody like that they might just spend two grand and not think twice about doing something like that. And where somebody else might spend two grand on something that somebody else might think is stupid and silly. That's how I think about it. But yeah, for the most part it probably is guys who just like can't muster the fucking confidence to go and speak to a girl in person. But they're like oh fuck it, I'll send her some money and they boost their self ego I.

Guess. Right, the time of day because you mentioned like chatters might be on in the morning or more motivated to be if they've getting commission on the shit I would imagine. Surely all this goes on like in the late hours of the day or is that not the case? Is there people literally at 7am.

Paying for like there are people at 7am yeah, well the bigger accounts and.

Do the chatters work 247 like or is it. Well not literally 247 but how does that.

Work? Sure. So it will depend from girl to girl and that will depend on how many subscribers are obviously the equivalent of like followers, right, on OnlyFans. So depend on how many subscribers does the girl have if she only has like sub 500 like less than 500 you can get away with like one chatter. And in terms of timing you asked me and this is for everybody who's maybe curious, typically you'll find the busiest time is around 9pm in the evening to like 3am in the morning.

And then the second day of the week specifically pretty.

Much? Yeah, yeah, pretty much. And the second peak is roughly around 6am till about 11am really in the morning. Yeah. So before they go sleep and.

When they wake up, what, like morning Gloria for some.

Shit? And one last thing you mentioned about, do they work like 24 hours? So if, if a girl has like 3,000 active subs, you know. Yeah. We'll have like two, three different virtual assistants on split rota. So they'll all be in a group chat with the model and when one finishes, he or she will add a lot of notes to the next chatter who's about to log on to obviously let them know, hey, I was talking to so and so, blah, blah. So that's kind of how we do it. And. And as I was just saying that, by the way, I thought just popped into my mind, you mentioned about, like, why do guys, like, do it? Like, do. Don't they just fucking understand that, like, you know, there's somebody chatting, etc. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, but I feel like. I feel like half of them at least do, maybe even more. But at the end of the day, the reason why they pay is to get the custom. The money is all in the customs. Right. The subscriptions are. Right. Like, if you're a massive influencer, which we do have like one couple, I can tell you them off camera, you'll know them. They're in London. They're.

Huge. Are they known for this or they know for some else? And this is like, like.

Cover.

Yeah.

Correct. Second one. Yeah, they're. They're also in the club scene. So again, you see how it's all like, word of mouth. Like, that's how we get most of our clients. But I was just gonna say, unless you're like a massive influencer, like, they are. They got millions and millions of followers. Then you make a couple grand from the subs. So like 10. A couple 10. Like 10, 20 grand from the subs. But typically you're making 50, 60,000 just from messages and DMs. And that is literally like videos, voice notes, photos, sometimes outside of the box, maybe, or maybe we do or maybe we don't do this. You can sell like, used underwear and stuff from the girl. There's just not so much, like, stupid amounts of money in that. Like, you know, there was this mad article that came out about, you know, Bell Dafine. She actually sold like jars of her water from her bus. Yeah, she made millions from that. Wow. So what's interesting is a lot of people think that a lot of People think that it's just OnlyFans. Right. But it's not. You're actually. It's OnlyFans is just a small portion of it. Like for me personally, I would say OnlyFans is bringing us about 70% of the income. The 30% is nothing to do with OnlyFans. It's to do with the.

Model.

Right. But it's not on only.

Fans. So you get the 30% on.

Everything. No, no. So, so out of 100% of what we make per month. Yeah. 70% of that is from OnlyFans. 30% would be from like different websites that we sell certain things. You can also sell photos and videos from other websites as well. Not just. Yeah.

Yeah. But you're getting a share of all the models. Monetization.

Correct? Yeah. Things like Cash app as well, Amazon Wishlist, things like.

That. And then the actual like contracts and financial services. So. So on the account, so they get whatever 100 grand, are they then paying you an invoice of 30 at the end of the month or are you owning the account and you pay them their.

70%? Just for context as well, just so you know, I know I mentioned 30% earlier, but for most of our models we do 50 and 50. So for most of them we do 50% is what we take. Now to answer your question, it's one of two ways. So if we're working with a model for more than three months, then what we'll do is we'll set up a brand new account like a bank account online, which is in both of our names. Right. So the model has full access to it. So do we. That's what we connect to the of account and that money. So the model has got access to it, but in order for her to access to it, it's obviously for a two step verification which is our phone number. The model was obviously she knows it. It's not we're trying to hide anything from her and at all times she can access it if she wants to. It's just we typically manage it after the third month. That's all in a contract as.

Well. But in the first three they would just pay.

You. Correct. We just invoice them. Yeah. Again, some exceptions if we are going to sign up a bigger earner model. So if a model's already making over 50k then we'll obviously put that in place straight away. Just because there's a lot of trust obviously involved. Right. And we've, we've had this so many fucking.

Times. Yeah. I was going to say it's ever been. They haven't paid.

You. Of course. Of course, of course. And I get it, like. And I get it, bro. Like, from a girl's point of view, if, if you're. And this is when we're first starting out, right? This is also why we don't even entertain working with girls who are just starting out. It's just a nightmare. Which, for context, by the way, I said this on other podcasts. So it's like imagine. Yeah. For example, space goods, right? So imagine if you, you haven't started Space Goods yet, but it was just an idea in your head, right? And I'm a marketing agency. That's you one example. And then you have somebody like Sunuchi, for example, that's been running for years, right? The equivalent of me going to a girl who's just starting out would be like me coming to you when you're just starting space codes and be like, right, so as you're starting it, you know, I'm going to help you market it and this and.

That. No, there's no historic numbers, no proof, no.

Context. Correct. Right. And then what if you have a change of mind as well? What if something goes south and you don't want to do the business anymore? But I've already put in like two, three months of like, come on. Yeah, let's do it, let's do it. Compared to like somebody like Sunucci, who's been doing it for years, established business, just go to them, right? So that's the same with like, why we don't work with girls who are starting out. And when I mentioned about change of mind, that's what would happen a lot with the girls. They would either after the first month, like, don't want to do it anymore, or which again, I completely understand, but, you know, just avoid it by doing a contract, which is what we do now is the first month, you know, a normal girl who's going to uni, Maybe she's making 1.2k a month from working at Tesco. Right? Nothing wrong with that. But then all of a sudden, she works with us, starts at only fans, and she makes like 10 grand in her first month. She's going to be like, what the fuck? And then if we're taking 50% from her point of view, instead of she gets to keep five grand, but she has to pay us, right? She's looking at it as have to pay them five grand. Correct. Whereas what we do the other way, which is if we make now like for example, say 50,000, we collect the 50K we send the girl 25,000 and her mindset is I've made 25,000.

Right. And she also knows that she may have only made ten grand before by herself.

Etc. Yeah, yeah, correct. But for us, like me, they're.

Making a lot of easy money, these girls, aren't.

They? It's just ridiculous.

Bro. It's actually crazy when you think like, fucking lawyer might make a hundred.

Grand. Yeah.

Yeah. Or maybe 300 grand if they're a big lawyer in the city. Like 30 grand a month and a girl is sat there doing ass picks, making that, that kind of.

Money. It's.

Nuts. That's.

Crazy. The biggest one that I've seen in my own eyes and like I've looked around on a profile was 1.2 million per month. Per month earning. Yeah. Riley. Riley.

Reid. Oh, I know of her. A.

Month?

Yeah. Fucking out. That's like the biggest Premier League.

Wage.

Nuts. Yeah. It's like 253 indicators a week. Yeah.

Wow. I think black china is still. Unless it's changed now. But I know black china was like at the top, if I remember correctly, it was about 20 million a.

Month. 20.

Million? Crazy. How crazy is.

That? It's mad. So on the payments and shit then say a girl, you've got now 50 grand a month, like what does that break down into? Like how many transactions and like how much would a sort of thing cost? I don't like, like different levels of premium.

Shit. Yeah, so. So this will completely vary from girl to girl. Right. So remember how I mentioned earlier, we have like porn stars who their, their, their customs and just their. It's called a ppv, a pay per view. Right. So you'd essentially send out like the same photo and the video to all of her subscribers, which is like a pay per view. Also how it works, by the way, for anybody who's never used the app and doesn't like can't visualize it, once you subscribe, you can message the model, which is kind of like an Instagram dm just to keep it simple. I imagine it that way. It's just text, right? Back and forth. Then if you. Let's just say you want like a specific video of a girl doing whatever you want her to do is your maddest imagination. Right. You obviously ask her to do the certain thing and then there's one or two ways how the model can do it. She can either ask you to tip first and then she creates the content. So if it's like a really weird or Like a really detailed custom where she has to like, you know, take her time out of the way to really create it rather than just a quick, you know, like that. And she would then ask for the tip up front and the guy will have to tip. Then she creates the video of the photo and then she sends it and you can see it straight away or the other way, which is just like, if a guy just wants like his name written on her ass or her tits, she'll just quickly do it, send the photo, but it'll be like blurred out. Like he won't be able to see anything. Like, so it's like it's like gray blurred out and there's a lock button or lock icon in front of it. And then the guy has to obviously tip whatever the amount that girl chooses. So it's $50, $60, et cetera. So that's like how it works in terms of your question, which is like, so how much do they price? It genuinely varies. So some of our porn star models, like they're like an actual full on porno of them getting fucked like 5, 10 minutes. That might only sell for like 15, 25.

$30.

Really. Whereas we have like that model who used to work. I don't know if she still does at the nightclub. I don't think she still does anymore. But like we've sold, we're still are selling. Like I will, yeah, let me see if I can log into it. And I just want just so.

People do have like mass login like on.

Instagram. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well I have it noted down. Yeah, I just wanted, I just want people to see like your live reaction. Right. But girls like her, we're selling like just pictures of her ass for a hundred dollars.

Right? Really? At scale, like custom.

Ones? No, no, no, no. Same.

Photo.

Fucking. I will literally show you right.

Now. I'm in the wrong.

Business. So it.

Really. All guys.

Are. It really varies, bro. But yeah, this industry is just absolutely.

Nuts. What's the most expensive custom or whatever that you've seen in your.

Group? Probably a thousand or 1.5 K. Probably a.

Thousand. What was that.

For? It was just a custom video. It's pretty fucking.

Weird. But who's naming the price as well? Because, because if a custom comes in and the chatters are on, are they naming it or have you got like rules written down and you know, tariffs or.

Whatever? Great question, bro. So you asked me this like earlier when you were talking about chatters, to be honest. You said, do you train them? Like how does that work. So yeah. So first of all we obviously qualify them so we get a lot of applications. A lot of it is just some of my Instagram dm. Hey, you hiring right now? If you're running an onlyfans agency. No, brother, I'm not going to hire you because I know what you're going to do. You should come on, try and learn from me and then I'm not stupid. So you know, we're not going to really entertain something like that. But if it's. Let me see. I think this might be.

It. Genuinely interesting. I feel like I'm learning more than I've learned in any episode. It's just an industry. I don't.

Know.

That's. So this is the same principles as any marketing.

Really. You know, it's really interesting, bro. I have a YouTube channel, right, which is like the same as my name and I have a video which is literally titled like why I quit SMA to start. Ofm, right? OFM stands for Only Fans Management. That video is like the one that I've done the best. Like 30 to 33,000 views. It's like a 16 minute long video. And pretty much the whole point of what I was trying to get across and people definitely got it, which was it's just interesting. Like you said it yourself, like you're learning so much. I think the interesting. What comes interesting isn't fucking news and like the pictures of titties and shit. Because you get over it over time. What's really interesting is like. Like at the end of the day it's just the same as any other business model. But it's just in a different industry that nobody has stepped.

Into. The biggest industry ever in it. Sex basically like sexual desire at least.

Bro. And how long has it been about like just the industry of pornography.

And every person is a potential customer because every person, well, you know, they have desires and urges and so they're trying to find me the most mad.

Thing. No, no, just in terms of earnings. Just so you can see kind of how frequently. So do you want to me to just pass the phone or. Cuz I was gonna explain. I'll do this.

Right?

Yeah. Then if people can. Can still hear me. So. So what you see in here, this is like the earnings. Let me talk into the.

Mic. I feel like this is properly edited. We'd fucking screen record this and put this on. That's some.

Bullshit. The only thing is you'd have to blur out the names. The blue ones. I'll record it. But if you are Gonna put it. You have to blur out the name.

Honestly. I'll ask him. We're trying to up the production for this one, make it a TikTok.

Clip. So. So on the left hand side, this is the time and this is how frequently they're coming in. This middle one where it says amount is obviously how much the guy has.

Paid. So this is just one.

Girl? Yeah. Oh, this is just one girl in about. About a couple of hours. So a hundred thirty dollars, twenty.

Dollars, $20.20 platform by the looks of.

It. The only fans does. Yeah. Which is nuts by the way. It's crazy. You see why we tried to make money outside of now, right? Because that would just take 100. So yeah, there's 100, another hundred, a hundred and 200 in about. What is that? About an hour to.

Be. How much like yesterday with this girl have.

Done? Let's have a.

Look. Or like on an average day.

On average, I know she does about 800. This is like not a big earner. The biggest one is about 3.4 thousand in 24 hours that were.

Done. So 120k a.

Month. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Fuck. So your current roster then, how big is that and how wide ranging is.

That? This is a big, big, big misconception. A lot of people, because a lot of people think that, oh, in order to make a lot of money in this industry, you need to have a lot of clients, which I understand why you have that thought process, which I did as well, because coming from an SMMA background, because it's just a retainer upfront, they pay you in order to make more of money. You just need more clients. Pretty simple. Unless you're doing roas deals obviously with E Comm, which I wasn't with this because it's all technically a roas deal. Right. The easiest way to describe, it's like Ecom boys. You don't need to have like 20 clients, 30 or 50 clients, which we've tried by the way. And it's a fucking logistical nightmare because the more clients you have, AKA the more girls you have, the more problems you have. Each girl has like, you know, three different social medias. On each social media she has like five different accounts. Then on of itself she'll have like customs every single day. What if the social media account gets banned? Then the girl has to. It's a logistical nightmare to manage it all, you have to hire more people, which ruins your profit margins. Yeah. So anyway, long story short, you don't need to have fucked on of clients all and I say this all the time. All you need to do is have about five to 10 clients who tick all your boxes. And for context as well, because I know everyone's probably curious. So how many do I have? We have about seven. Seven clients right now. Now in terms of the boxes, what do they need to tick? I've made a YouTube video about this before, but essentially it's like, so how often, like how much, how many hours can she put into this? So for us they need to be doing this full time. If they're doing this as like a little part time thing after uni, be my guest. But it's not worth our time. What explicity of level of content can she do, you know, is she just posting bikini photos? Because if she is, again, be my guest, all the power to you. But it's not worth our time because you know, a girl like that doesn't make as much money as like somebody who just does some mad shit. Also like, you know, little things, I'm not going to bore people, but little things like what kind of phone does she have? Or camera, right? So she has an old like Galaxy, which isn't the end of the world. Like you know, we can always buy them a new phone, but. But that comes into, into play. What country is she from? All these little things and also like what niche is she from in? Sorry. So like a gamer girl might make a lot more than somebody who's just your typical, you know, girl who's maybe like 30 something years old or obviously if she looks young, she makes more as.

Well. Yeah. So many questions come up right now and then like, is she working hard? Yeah, because let's say you want her full time because my maybe outside perception previously, which might have been wrong, is that they make the content pretty much once they put it in the vault, whatever, do the odd custom, but they're just sitting at home watching Netflix all day making 50 grand a month. Is it not.

That. That's another misconception, bro. Yeah, they work very fucking hard. Yeah. Because again, remember how I said most of the money is in the customs. So. So my business, right, my agency, aura, our job is to essentially we manage the model. But what does that really mean? So the main part of it is it's our job to get as many as many people to visit her onlyfans and subscribe. Then from there on the other department of our business is the chatting, right? So we manage all the dms. Now this is basically the top of the funnel, which is the marketing and obviously the conversion is the DMs. Now when the conversion happens, aka somebody tips or pays or you know, wants to get a custom, obviously the girl has to make that content then, right? So only like 10, 20% of the sales are pre made photos and videos. Most of it is she has to do something there and then and create an organic piece of content. And that's also why most guys are like on only fans. Like they probably know that most of the time, like they're not talking to the guys, especially if she's a mad influencer. Unless like, you know, they can't put two and two together. But because they even know that it doesn't matter because they're like, cool. I want to see her do some madness. I want her to do this, this, this. How much? Say the.

Price. It's still a custom thing even though it's not her messaging because she's ultimately doing the.

Thing. And remember this as well, right? And everybody listening. It's all good and well. She's doing the customs and only fans for her subs. She also still has to create content on social.

Media. Yes, I was gonna ask about that. So how involved do you get in at the very top of funnel, which I guess is in most cases with Instagram for most of them. And do you do any paid stuff or is it purely to have a following? It's a link in bio.

Whatever. Yes, paid stuff. Not as all of you guys probably imagine it, in terms like Facebook and Instagram.

Ads. What's the CAC on a fucking horny middle aged.

Man? So mainly it's like paid advertisement on Instagram and GGs are called guaranteed gains. Right. So typically what will happen is, typically what will happen is you will go ahead and go to a different model. So let's just say my model right now is at 5,000 subscribers on OnlyFans. Right. Which by the way puts her well above 0.1%. Well, it depends on how much she's earning, but for us it is. So if she is at 5,000 subscribers and 0.01% on of the percentage, do you know how the percentages work or. No, it's essentially how much she's making. The more she makes, the less of a percentage she's in. So if you're in the top, top, like the same as that 1% of men. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So like the smaller the percentage, the better she's doing in terms of income. All right, so anyway, so let's just say our model is at 5,000 subscribers and she's in the 0.01% on OnlyFans. Right. In terms of earnings, then our job as an agency would be to find another model. Ideally. Well, she definitely needs to have at least the same stats. And then ideally she needs to look the same as the model as well. So if our model is like a blonde, short girl, big tits, for example, we need to find another girl who looks very, very similar to that. Then we go to her and we'll essentially ask her how much for a guaranteed gains of let's just say 500. What that means by the way.

Is. Yeah, I never heard of.

That. Yeah, so guaranteed gains. Essentially the other model is guaranteeing that she will get 500 gains. Okay. Subscribers to my models.

Account.

Right. So how does that work? If people are wondering, essentially the model that I've just paid, she will keep posting and promoting my model until she has gained an extra 500.

Subscribers. Oh.

Interesting. And typically it's for a free link. So this is another thing for. I know I'm probably educating so many people. So let's just say the model has a $20 subscription fee, which that one did, the one I just showed you. She can create like a. What they know, like affiliate links. Yeah, kind of like. Yeah, essentially it's an affiliate link with like a discount code. And typically these guaranteed gains are like 100% off for the first month discount link. So I will go to a different girl who I'm not managing, but she's the same statistics as mine. I will pay her with my money as an agency to promote my model until my model hits the 500 extra subs. So she'll go from 5k to 5.5k for example. So that's in terms of paid advertisement. That's one of.

Them. Obviously Instagram shoutouts, just like big influences like you said, that look similar but they just have loads of followers. Is that.

So? Say.

Again. So when you're finding the girl to do the guaranteed gains promo, is it just like you said, you've got a blond of client, you find a model that looks similar, that's got a big following, that can drive the traffic. Yeah, but you know, you don't do any paid stuff on the actual of models Instagram or do you do.

That? You mean in terms of paid ads like on. On.

Instagram? Yeah. Like is it basically what's the best way for them to get signups? Is it often from their own page or is it doing these guaranteed gains things with these other big.

Pages? Yeah, second one. Yeah. But then again there is there's so much to talk about in terms of that. Like, there's also bots for like Tinder and.

Bumble. Yeah, I mean, I've had these before in it.

Yeah. So this is gonna blow so many of you guys minds.

Right? So how many the whole of the world about.

Because. Yeah, yeah. So how many of you? Because it's all about the black hat, right? So it's like outside of the box thinking, and this is what I fucking love because it's new and it's interesting and I just, I'm such a geek when it comes to marketing. I love it. So this will blow a lot of your minds, right, lads, so how many times have you guys been on fucking Tinder? Just swiping along and you see like this bird, she's so fit and you swipe and you match up. No, no, and you match her and you're like, yo, you go into her account, right? You go into the bio and you see, oh my God, her Instagram is there. Yes. You go into her Instagram and then you see that she's got a link in her.

Bio. Get followers probably every day off his accounts. And for one second I think, yeah, it's got a fucking.

Thing. So that's one. Another one. This, this. I promise this is probably happens all you lads. And unfortunately I am the fucker that's doing this, but it works, man. Another one. How many times you guys gone into your Instagram story, right, and you see a fit bird has liked your story. You know, who's this? I have never seen this bird before. You click on it. It's a brand new account and she's got two followers, but she's got 5,000. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so that is another one. Obviously the mass dms, it used to work, but nowhere near as well now. Like about a year ago, two years ago, worked really well. Like mass dm. Such as, like you go into your requested folder and you see a fitbird that said something, that one all the time. And then another one on Instagram.

And he's falling for that as well. But I guess it's a numbers.

Game. It's a numbers.

Game. Thousand dms, you get 10.

Signups. Oh, bro, the. The story one is nuts. The story. We actually launched a new one today. This morning. The girl went from like 300 and what was it? Followers to just, just shy of a thousand with just, just the story likes method.

Yeah. Is that a bot doing.

That? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. That's.

Crazy. So essentially what you do is you find as Many Instagram at handles of other of models and again, ideally the most similar looking ones. If everyone's wondering, like, why do I keep saying similar looking? Because obviously if our model is that young looking blonde girl with big tits, but then, but then we find another one who is like, I don't know, a brunette, 40 years old, like a milf. Those same followers. Yeah, exactly. Right. So typically we find like, you know, about a thousand Instagram at handles who girls are similar looking and then this bot will just go through all of their followers who are following these girls and go into their profile, like the guy who's following them and if the guy has an Instagram story, it'll automatically pop up the story and like the story and that's it, move on to the next one. And it does that like millions of times.

Yeah. And do you find. Because obviously everyone does have a type. I mean, I certainly have a type. People take the piss out of me because it's such an obvious type. It's like so consistent in my life. But like, do you find a certain type of. In the industry, broadly, but also your clients, is there a certain type of girl that makes the most.

Money? Nah, bro, there's a niche for everything. There's a niche for everything. Well, that, funny enough, the more niche it is, the more she'll make. So for example, we've just recently signed fans. Yeah. Like, we've recently signed a transgender.

Model. Oh.

Wow. Yeah, wow indeed. It's different world.

It's. So who's going for that? Is it other trans.

People? I couldn't tell you. I'm assuming. So like I said, I genuinely at this point, like, I barely speak to the clients and the only ones that I speak to now are still like the ones that we've worked with for like a year before we started building like essentially like a massive team. But like, for example, so the girl, what's it called, the girl that worked at the nightclub, I don't really speak to her, I just know of her because she's a friend of my girlfriend. Yeah. And this transmodel that we recently signed, I don't, I haven't spoken to her because it was a guy that went and become a girl. But yeah, in terms of. So I don't see the statistics, I don't see the people that are following. Right. But I'm assuming so. Yeah. But to answer your question, who makes more? Yeah, it is the more niche, the, the better. Like, because the more niche following. Actually what's really interesting here's. Here's a thought that just came into my mind. We personally haven't done it yet, but I've seen other agencies work with them. Essentially, there's a niche, I want to say bdsm, maybe I've butchered that. Essentially where, like, guys like to be, like, talked down upon and, like, say, oh, you're this and you're that. Madness. But. But long story.

Short.

Dominated. Yeah. Dominated. Yeah, yeah. And essentially that niche makes bank because obviously, like, the girl will literally be like, oh, you piece of shit. You think $500 is.

Enough?

Yeah. By the way, I'm not doing that. But like, these guys like that. These guys are into that, which is nuts. It's just a fetish. Again, like, same as, like a foot fetish. But I know for a fact that niche makes bank. We just haven't had a model like that.

Yet. That is mad. And how big is the spread between the seven you've currently got in terms of. Yeah, they all, like, fairly similar or you got like, a big.

Fish. Nah, on average, they're about 30,000. The average one.

34,000. It's crazy. Yeah. I should think about.

It.

Yeah. And that's obviously, like you said. Well, that though, obviously you mentioned something doing 20 million a month. Unicorn. But it's 30,000amonth still. In, like, out of every account, there's still like, the top one.

1%. Oh, yeah. I. I Googled this literally because I was just in Turkey. Literally, what, like, two days ago? I literally just got.

Back.

Back. And how did this conversation come up? I think me and my girlfriend were talking about something and she was like, no, that seems about average income. Because there was a girl that was on like a 'Thousand, I think 1.2 thousand a month, like, she was making. And I was like, yeah, I don't know, it seems about average. And I was just curious. I googled, what is the average income on only fans? What do you reckon it.

Is? But it's low. Lower than you thought. Yeah, it's like with everything it, you. You become accustomed and it's the same like E Commerce. You look at the guys that are making millions and then you hang around with them or whatever, you become them and you remember. You have to remember, like, I don't know, there's 2 million Shopify stores, there's probably 1.98 million of them make a hundred pound a.

Month. So. So same with this, it's $180, which is the average.

Yeah. And how many accounts are there.

Worldwide? So a Google Statistic says there's 1.7 million active creators. That is 180 million users, I believe. But there's 1.7 mil craters now. I don't know if again, it could just be a case where like 600,000 of them is just an account that's been created. A girl has created an account, but it's never actually posted. But it's still an active account. Right. But yeah, the average is $180, which is just nuts. But to answer your question, that.

Makes more sense though, because obviously not every girl is going to fucking make 30 grand a month. Yeah, I mean, at least I hope they're not. I mean, it's just too.

Easy. The average that we, that we see, like, when, when girls reach out to us, is about.

2,000. Yeah. So I was gonna ask that, like, what's your process for? Well, I suppose, do you even. Do you even want to expand to more people or do you want to get more money out of each person? And also if you are getting new people, like, what's the process for, like onboarding them and.

Outreaching? It's very rare that will actually take somebody on. Now, there's a couple reasons. So the first one is just because I think I was saying this to you off camera. I'm just in a very cushy part of my life right now. Like, I'm making a decent amount of money again, I'm sure people are curious, so. And I swear to God, I'm not saying it to impress you because to me, I know it sounds nuts, but to me it's like not impressive anymore. But when I first started, to me, 10 grand was like, that was my, my milestone. But yeah, to me, at the moment we're making about 100, and last month was 100, 200, 3,000. So that's your percentage business as a total we took. Yeah. Which is. And I have a business partner as well, for context, So I take 50 of that. But that was gross as well. So expenses aren't too much in this industry. Again, most of our chatters are on a commission, so the more money we make, the more, the more they make. But yeah, so. So for me, it's kind of like I don't really feel if I don't want to grow it massively because it's not really a thing that I could exit.

From. I don't think I was going to get on to.

That.

Yeah. Like, where do you see? Do you have a plan for how long you do it? Obviously said you don't want to expand it, but, like, surely you could get it to like. Is it possible to get it to a million a month? Because then it's. You wouldn't even need to exit. You do that for a few years for.

Sure. Oh, it's a massive cash cow business right now. Yeah. But we do have a plan. So the plan essentially without saying. Yeah, I guess, I guess this. I'll just say it for the first time. Right. I haven't said this anywhere else. So we do have like a. Essentially like a three step plan. So step one is essentially what we're doing right now, like the actual management agency. Step two is building a massive community which is what we're doing with the coaching side of it. So we have a Discord group of about 15,000 people. Maybe 16,000 by the time you're watching this Discord shit.

Yes. Everyone watching the pod one wants the pool party.

Discord. Do it.

Man. I just don't have a clue what I'm doing with that old.

Man. Everyone pressure him into doing a Discord. Yeah, it's great. It's a cool community, man. So, yeah. So stage two is to build a massive following and a massive community of people who genuinely are like serious about this industry, who aren't just there to about and you know, who genuinely want to build a business with this. Right. Which is what got going on. It's incredible. Stage three is to essentially launch a competitor to OnlyFans.

Guns.

Wow. The. Bro, the website is just ass. Like you. You saw it then when I was. Look, it'll probably still be doing it right now. Look, it's still.

Loading. Yeah. Why is he doing.

That? It's still loading. And also look how slow. Look at it. Just.

Look. He's English, isn't.

It?

Yeah. Tim Stokely, I.

Think.

Yeah. I want to get him on the.

Pod.

Yeah. He must be a billionaire from.

This. You know, it's not that difficult to reach really. I'll try and put.

You. I just assumed it was some west coast. Some like San Francisco guy or.

Whatever. It's. It's owned by an American company.

Now. Really? I just sold.

It. Oh yeah?

Yeah. Hundreds of.

Mills. Bill. I think it was Bill. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so the. You know, props. Props to him. But the. The app itself is just so slow and it's just. It's also down all the time. Like I. When I say all the time, bro, I genuinely mean every day. Every.

Day. There's some logic to it that. But you think if they're six years old, fairly.

Established. That's what I.

Think. There's Hundreds but billions going through it. Tens of billions of like gross numbers going through.

It.

Yeah. And it don't.

Work. It's interesting now that you said that maybe, but I can't imagine because it's random. It's not a certain time and it's random. And also that like you know how I told you there's a mass messages that you can send out? Yeah, but It'll take like 20, 30 minutes to send out. Like so you type the message, you tap all subscribers and then you press send and it'll just fucking go like this for like 20 minutes till it sends like crazy. Whereas you know, like Instagram, keeping.

The overheads low, probably not doing a Twitter with 100,000 people sat on a fucking sofa playing ping.

Pong. Probably. But genuinely the. The site is just shit is boring. They take 20% which is nuts, bro. At big numbers that adds up. Like we've lost hundreds of.

Thousands. Guess is it a monopoly though.

Currently? Yes. Big time. Yeah, big.

Time. How do you see it feasible.

To cool so once the cocktail.

Like. Yeah, how do you compete with that? Because I guess it sounds like trying to compete with Instagram or.

Something. Yeah, in, in a sense. But you've got to remember of has only been about since 2017, it's recently gone through a transition. Do you remember and I don't know if this is a fact, but I think it is. Do you remember when there was a massive scandal about two years ago now when OnlyFans made a rule and it was.

Public? Oh yeah, yeah, I do remember.

That. Interestingly enough, I'm pretty sure that was just before the exit. And I think what he done.

I remember reading about this, I think.

He done that on purpose because he.

Knew it couldn't be any explicit content anymore. Was like, hold on, that's literally what the platform.

Is. Right? And obviously Tim knew that and what I. And I don't know if this is a fact, obviously, but I think think he probably knew he was going to exit. He needed to boost the engagement. The visitors of the website, the creators, right. He probably thought what's. What can I do to just make this thing go viral? And he probably done that, made it go viral. Visitors just spiked. Investors thought, all right, fair enough. Like, yeah, you know, I'll probably buy it for this much now. I think that's what happened. But to answer your question, like what can we do different? So first of all, OnlyFans. So I know a girl who is like, I think she's literally the 40th creator ever to Start So she knows Tim like on a friends basis. And she said the first month, the first month there was about 150 creators ever on the platform of the first month. And it just very, very slow growth, like 200, 300, et cetera. For us. Already we have like 15,000 guys in our discord who are like, like to be agency owners. This is the free discord I'm talking about. So let's just say only 10% of that is like actual guys who have an agency because everybody wants to join these discords and think they're doing well, but they're not. So anyway, our goal is to essentially find 10, sorry, 1,000 agency owners who are serious and who are actually, you know, running the business. And on average they got about 10 models. So that means, means around 10,000 potential clients and on launch day would essentially give them a, you know, an exclusive reason or a percentage on why they should move their models over to, to our platform. Because you've got to think, bro, if your model is even, just. Even if she's making 10 grand a month, 20 of that, you know, compared to imagine if I said.

Is. Is there no real value other than it's what everyone uses to actually be an only fans that ultimately it's their own traffic.

Source. Correct. Right. And this is speaking to Jess, who's the porn star, right. And she said the biggest thing that she's the difference between. Because she was in porn for like. Well, she still is. She was in porn for about. She was in porn for what, like 15 years? Like I said, she still is. But she said the difference between that and of is like with the porn industry is she would get paid like straight up, she would go and do the shoot and that's it. She's made her money with this. She not only has to create the content herself, she has to do the marketing herself, she has to sell it herself. And it's just crazy. There's a big difference. But to answer your question, bro, so like, is there anything else to of other than, you know, like just the biggest thing with it is like you said, it's a monopoly. And everybody knows what onlyfans is. Everyone trusts to go on there. You know, if a girl was on, I don't know, only friends.com guys might think, I don't know if I trust me putting credit card details into this and so on, but for us, yeah. So the big goal, bro, and this will probably change because I don't like to publicly say like my moves. So I'm happy to Say this one because it's just an idea of like a hundred we have, but we essentially want to create like a Love island, but for OnlyFans stars. So you're like five guys, five girls in a villa in Marbella, cameras everywhere. And when they go to then just basically Love.

Island.

Right. But when they go to sleep, you go into our website to see like the exclusive content. So that's how. That's what that would be on launch day. Yeah, but that's just. I swear to God, that's literally one out of like a hundred ideas that we have for launch. Another one which is like. And again, I'm happy to say this one, I'll leave it there because I'll talk to you off camera about it. But another one would essentially be like integrating Tinder in a sense. Because right now the only way how you can find other models on of is outside of OnlyFans. There is a search function in OnlyFans, but it's dog shit. It doesn't really work. So our goal, or one idea at least, is our platform would essentially be kind of like a Tinder integration where you can go on there and you can essentially swipe and whatever model you want. If you just swipe up, for example, you pay for her subscription and you're in. And that's how you essentially. Once the client is on the website, he's going to be more likely to spend a lot more compared to just subscribing to one.

Girl. The other function would be swiping to find girls that you might subscribe.

To. Yeah.

Yeah. There's not actually a dating.

Thing. No, no, no.

No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that sort of thing. If you can build something even remotely threatening to only fans, that's why they would just buy.

It. Completely agree. And there is a couple already, like fansly.

Fanview. There's gonna say, how competitive is.

This space in terms of competitor.

To. Oh, I guess agencies like yourself, but also other platforms. Because there must be a lot of smart people that have realized there's a shitload of money in.

Sex.

Yeah. And sexual.

Desire. So first one just to rule out because it's a really quick conversation, which is apps. You can't have an app on the App Store, which is anything to do with explicit.

Content. It's.

Just. It's just not allowed. So that's why, by the way, if people are wondering why don't OnlyFans have an.

App? I never even thought of that. Is it just a.

Website? Yeah, it's just that they only Have a website. Yeah. That's another thing by the way, which I want to somehow something. There's got to be some loopholes you can fucking pull and have an app. Because if you have an app, I feel like that would help a lot because again, I think the reason why it's so slow and clunky is because the website, you have to use it on Safari or Google Chrome app on your phone. So in terms of app stores, there's obviously literally zilch. There's nothing in terms of competitors to OnlyFans itself. I only know of like big ones, about 3. The rest of them are like wishy washy. And there is a lot of other competitors in the industry, but it's nothing like. So there's one for like just feet finder. It's literally just pictures for my.

Feet. People make banks getting off feet, but it seems to be a common.

One. People may bank from that. There's my picks like with an X.

That. That you're missing out. This is a juicy episode. Only fans. I'm actually learning so much.

Shit. Yeah, you came in just the right time.

Bro. We're gonna clip every second of this. Gonna go viral as.

Fuck. So yeah, so there's other ones which aren't like direct competitors to OnlyFans, but they are in the industry of like explicit content selling. Right. And the last one you said about agencies, I mean, now that I've started it, and I don't mean to sound like a cocky, but like, I swear to God, I've started this pandemic of guys like starting and it does.

Feel to me, even though I'm not in it, like the. The new smma. Yeah, yeah, it's the new wave.

Bro. There was. It's funny as well. And it's all. This is. This is why I love YouTube as well on social media because it's all document. There's dates and everything on it. You can't fake that there's a YouTube video which you can go watch, which I think is the one I was mentioning, which is why I quit SMA to start ofm. Yeah, in that video you can see when I uploaded it, I literally say, I'm pretty sure I'm like one of the only people to start this and call it.

OFM. Are you the iman at the OnlyFans space.

Now? Props to Eman. But I mean, yeah, I guess the Tai Lopez of this industry. The Tai Lopez. But yeah, on that video I literally say like, it's funny because I bet you're gonna see now people calling it ofm. Nobody called it OFM until. Until I started. Yeah. I swear to God. That wasn't a term. Yeah, that wasn't a term. But anyway, like to answer your question, which is is there a lot of competitors in terms of the agency space? The same as what you mentioned about E Com? There's probably not millions for us, but there's millions of E Comm stores, but there's only this many who are actually above making 10k profit a month. Right. The same thing with us. And that goes for everything in life. The same as if you buy an online course out of, of. Out of the hundreds of people that go through it, maybe a small percentage would actually really be successful. Same as a university. Out of 30 kids that go to uni, maybe just one of them will actually get the job that they were, you know, planning to get while they got the degree. So it's the same of everything in the uk, as I mentioned earlier, there's probably one or two big or two or three. I know three who are big agencies. It's massive in the States, huge in Miami and la. Hollywood.

In. Yeah, it's a sad one. I think it's definitely smart to try and I guess you're trying to go into like the platform side, which definitely smart in general. Like if you can own Shopify instead of own a drop shipping store. Obviously there's like in betweens. But is that because just like a personal preference or you think there's a ceiling with the management stuff? Obviously you said you don't plan on scaling it too much because like life feels good or whatever. But is that because you don't. That you can or you just think there's more opportunity in building a platform and owning it a bit.

More. Who was.

It? And obviously the community as.

Well. Yeah, Kieran, you know, Iman just recently bought a SAS company from Guy called Kieran something or. No, I don't.

Know. To be fair, I haven't heard.

About. So I forgot what it was called, bro, but I literally watched it in Turkey like two, three days ago. YouTube video. So I follow this guy called Kieran and he built media kits. I don't know if you're familiar with that, that media kits. But. But Iman didn't buy media kits. It was something else and it was basically like, you know about go high level. Yeah, yeah. So it was essentially, from what I understood, it was essentially like a kind of like an extension to go high level. But essentially what it done is basically would help you look at all of these sub accounts from like a dash, what's it called? A dashboard. And you can have like a bird's eye view of all of them rather than clicking into each one. From what I'm understanding, that was premise of it. Yeah, fair play. I don't know why you wanted to buy that, but yeah, all the props to Kieran as well, by the way. Fair play to the guy. He's a young guy, he's like 24 years old and multi, multi millionaire. Anyway, so it wasn't because I watched Kieran's video because I had this idea way before, but that just reminded me and I was just like. The thing is like the. I'm sure you're probably the same as me, bro. Like, owning a Ferrari or owning a Lamborghini or owning like one nice house is like cool and all, but bro, I want like Elon Musk level of power, bro. This is not about. I swear to God, it's not about money. Because like, bro, don't get me wrong, I'm not that rich. Like, you know, I'm not rich at all, actually. No, but like, I make a decent living, right? But there's not much. Like, I don't ever want to buy a Lamborghini. I don't ever want to buy a Ferrari. I don't give a fuck about it. Because I know as soon as I purchase that car and I drive that car off of the curb of the dealership, I've lost like 30, 40 grand. And to me, from a kid who comes from poverty, I just can't bring myself to do that. Like, the nicest thing that I've bought, like, actually own myself, is probably this watch. And I know it's probably going to hold its.

Value. Watches are one of very few things that are sick but actually make sense. Yeah, financially.

Right? I guess the right ones boost your status, I guess. Right, but. And also hold your values. Like I said it on the video when I went to purchase it. It's like the way I justify it is like it's the same as putting 15 grand in a bank account, but it's just on my wrist and I get to enjoy it. But I have a mad story about this. Yeah, I've never said this before, bro. Literally never. Because it sounds so bullshit and I bet you none of them will believe.

It. Which model is.

That? The rhodium dial. 41.

Mil. Oh.

Yes.

Yeah. Seriously into watches. I bought my first fancy watch like five years ago, then got nicked off my wrist a month later. Okay, here it was actually In.

Barcelona.

Okay. So that's my first Rolex and then I bought like five more and then I sold a few of them. Whatever. But I mean, I've got nothing on the level of some of my mates, watch.

Wise.

Yeah. Buying that is worth three times that the second they walk.

Out. Yeah. It's nuts. So this is a cool world I. I had. So I went to. Where was it not? Milan? Naples. Naples.

Italy. I want to go to Italy more. I've been.

Once. Don't go to Naples, bro. If you do, don't bring your watch. So. But I swear to God, it sounds so bullshit. But actually I have photos so I can show you as evidence because nobody will believe it. It. It sounds so.

Nuts. So I thought you were driving some new Ferrari in Naples, right? Which fry was that? The fa. Massive car.

Guy. F8 tribute, bro. I'll tell you what, I've driven one in terms of Ferraris, I've driven that on the.

458. The 458 for a.

Year. Trust. Oh, you had.

It. Yeah.

Yeah. I. I think the 458 was more fun as actually aspirated. Yeah.

Correct. Athletes hybrid.

Right? Yeah, correct. And also it's got so many filters and on it, it, don't get.

Me wrong here is sick.

Though. I like the steering wheel as a car. The F8 obviously is miles better because it's.

Newer. I think Ferraris are so much more sick than Lambos. It's like you have to get cars to like Ferraris. A Lambo is like a status thing. Like Ferrari is a car thing.

Correct. I want to get. Bro. There was, there was a super fast that I. We drove past and I was like, oh.

My. I've driven an F12 in LA before and, and that was ridiculous. I can only imagine what an 812 is.

Like. Yeah, yeah. So in terms of the story then, brother, I went to Naples, Italy for my birthday. Me and my. Me and my business partner Harry, we went there for my birthday and obviously because of my birthday weekend, we thought, fuck, it might as well go all out because, yeah, so. So we, we got this Ferrari F8 Tributo for like a week. We went on like this yacht, we went like shopping, Louis Vuitton, all this stuff. Like, we're literally living like, like just. We were just living it out, right? Just for a week. Because, like, because like me, I'm the most boring person ever. I know it probably sounds like I'm like this mad like guy. All.

These. That's not. That's.

Honest. Yeah. It probably sounds like I'm like, this guy with all these girls, and, like, I'm this pimp this and that, bro. I swear to go, I'm the most boring ever. But anyway, so. But every now and then, I like to have fun. Right? Because you have to. Why else are you making all this money? I've. I've retired my mom. I literally, the reason why I was in Turkey, I bought her, like, teeth. I literally paid for the whole thing. Yeah. So, like, I do all this stuff for my friends and family, so, like, sometimes I want to enjoy myself. Right. And it was my birthday. So, anyway, we're there. And for context as well, it was literally the day before I flew to Naples is when I got this from a jewelers. So I just got this watch as I. My brand new. Brand new watch. So I'm in love with it. So we get there, we get to the airport, we land, and we meet the guy, obviously with the car. The guys, young guys, always like, oh, how you doing, man? Well, two things about Italy, like Naples. One, the watch. Put it.

Away. That's.

Interesting. I never heard that same number two. Police. Slow down. Police. He said something like that. I was like, all right, whatever. Because I'm the same as you, bro. I didn't know. I thought Italy because I've been to Milan, right.

Next. I knew about Barcelona. Even though I got to watch next. At the time, I didn't know, but. But, yeah, I never thought Italy.

Was like, I've been to Milan. That's the only place where I've been to in Italy. Beautiful, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, kind of like London, but just.

Nicer. Yeah. Assassin's.

Creed. So anyway, he said that, but I didn't think much of it. I was like, whatever. You know, I respect it. You know, I'm gonna wear it like this. It's.

Fine.

Exactly. So I'm driving. Long story short, I'm driving. You probably all know where this is probably going.

Right?

Right. So we're driving just to give you guys the scenario so you can imagine it. We're in a one way. By the way, the roads in Naples are so. They're all like rubble. So all like bricks. Right. Well, in, like, the town center, like the. The old town, right. They're all rubbles. They're all one, like, one lane as well. They're not two ways. They're all one way, but, like, they're one lane. Bear in mind, the cars in there are like. Like Ford Fiestas and mini cars. Smart cars. Right, bro, this F8 is so wide and so long. And. And one more thing, it was the. I swear to God, it was the only supercar there. The bro, we were driving about for like four hours because of traffic. We did not hear or see another supercar for like four hours, bro. So we were the own. And it's a very poor part of Italy, which I didn't know as well. Again, I just thought. Cuz you think of Amalfi coast, like Naples, south Italy, baller beautiful, right bro? Naples ain't like that. So we're driving about and you know, I'm not mad at the place because I was being a. I was wearing a tuxedo. So we just done a video. Me and my boy were both wearing tuxedos. This is my Instagram, actually what I was wearing. And let me show you. So this is how I was driving about.

Right? Yeah, I've seen that.

One. Yeah. So I'm driving and as you can see, the watch is on my wrist there.

Right? Asking for.

Trouble. I'm asking for trouble, bro. But obviously I, you know, I'm not, I'm not doing it on purpose, I didn't mean to. And so anyway, I'm driving about and it's hot as hell there, so I put the window down and you know, I'm not an idiot. Like I know there's a crime everywhere, but it's just, it wasn't crossing my mind because I was just so chilled out. I'm in a Ferrari and it's hot and I put the window down. I just had my arm like this and I'm driving. Right? Another piece of context, just so you guys can imagine like the scenario. There are motorbikes, like peds going past like just every.

Second. So you're in traffic right now.

Stuck in traffic, it's not moving and there's PEDs going past like from both sides, etc. So we're chilling and. And you know, I'm just like this. And all I feel is like, you know, tap on my shoulder like this and. And this happened once already? No, nobody tapped me. But somebody like, you know, stopped and went like this and like went like that on a motorbike. And I took a picture of the car and I just thought it was another guy, like, you know, nice car, saying, revving. I just looked over and I'm like, yeah, like this, whatever. I look back and he went. And there was two guys on the ped, by the way, one of them grabbed like one of them got off. The guy in the front? No, gone the back Sorry. Guy in the back of the ped got off, grabbed my wrist, and started pulling it out the window. And I don't know what kind of fucking idiot he was, but he just. He wasn't trying to undo it. He was just trying to rip it off my wrist. And obviously, at that point, I was like, right, cool. I'm getting robbed. I've never had anything like that before, right? So I'm like, all right, cool. And for context as well, like, I'm. I don't come from, like, a rough, like, gang background, but, like, I come from a. What's it called? Council estate. And, like, I've been around this stuff. Like, I know what it is. Like, not. I'm not a. About it. So I wasn't. I was freaking out a little bit, but I wasn't like, okay, okay, take it. So I was trying to pull him back, and then the other guy who was sitting in front of the bike, he went like this. Got a gun, right? A Glock. A Glock. And what he done is he. He lent in and put it on my. On my. On my chest. Obviously, he's not trying to make a massive. By the way. Yeah, this is a busy street. This isn't like some alleyway. This is a busy street, and there's people walking around. And he put it on my chest, right? Rather than going like this, so everyone can see, just put it in my chest. Obviously, at that point, I'm like, fuck. Like, this guy's got a gun. And I don't know. It was just. It just wasn't even in my thought process that he was gonna shoot me or, like, kill.

Me. Yeah. I'm about to say the watch is still there, so you either bought another one or something's.

Happened. So. So it just wasn't even in my thought process. That. And for context as well, just so it happens so quickly, but I'm trying to kind of, you know, do it in the same time. Time frame as he gets the gun here. My. My business partner, Harry, he. Because we had seatbelts on, he undone his seatbelt and low key undone my one without, like, the guys noticing. And by that point, Harry had already gotten out of the car and started walking around, like, the back of the car, like, low. Low down. The guys obviously didn't see it, and Harry didn't know I had a gun here. So anyway, and I'm still in the midst of, like, pulling my. Pulling my wrist back in. Then the guy realized, all right, the guy, his friend is there. I'm not Being a. I'm not just giving him my. Giving him my watch. So he takes the gun, put like, puts it like actually to my head like this and starts punching me with a gun. And I think this is where I realized in a split second that's not a real gun. It might have been, but it just, it didn't knock me out, bro. I have photos and again, I can, if you remind me, I'm happy to send them because I know this sounds like some bullshit story, but you know, it didn't really hurt. It bruised my. It bruised my head. It might be on my other phone. Let me.

See. Yeah. Fuck. I've had a watch next, but I've never had a gun pulled on.

Me. Yeah, yeah, let me see. It might be on my other phone. I will get it in in just a second. All it was, there was like bruises here and a kind of a bruise on my forehead here. But a long story short, so they were hitting me with a gun at this point. And I think when he was hitting me with a gun, that's when I was. Alright, so he's not gonna shoot me because he would have fucking shot me by now. Yeah. Can I just grab my other phone? Because I really want you. I want people to see your reaction in real time. Okay, just cut one second.

Guys. That's a good.

Story. Oh, sorry. I think it's right here. Maybe you didn't even need to cut. So it's. It's on this phone. So. Yeah. So by this point, my business partner runs around the back, back and he's pushing him off the bike. And I think this is where all because people knew what was going on around, but nobody was coming over to help. And I don't blame him. Like there's a gun, people are screaming, shouting. Obviously everyone knows that I'm getting robbed. So like I don't, you know, blame the people. I'm not expecting some superman to come around the corner. It's fine. But Harry basically pushed one off. Oh.

My. You push him off with a.

Gun? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, not with a.

Gun. So then like the Dom with the.

Gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So and then also for context, he's wearing suspenders. I mean they're called. Right, like those things here because we're both wearing full tuxedos, right? And he's running because the guy with the bike starts running away now. Oh, driving away, sorry. And left his buddy like behind. And obviously he realized he left his friend behind. He stopped. Where the fuck is this.

Photo?

Shit. Ah, Here we go, here we go. Here we go. I'm about to find it. And. Yeah. So long story short, they basically. Here we go, bro. So this is all that I got, was basically a mark there. They. They mainly hit me on my head like here. So that's why you couldn't see. And if you remind me, I'm happy to send this to you so you guys can put it up on the thing here. I mean, this is where you pointed the gun. Like.

This. Fuck. Yeah. He's going pretty.

Hard. Oh, yeah, bro. No, like he. And then obviously, as you can see, this red on my wrist here, because that's what. Bro, he wasn't trying to undo it. He was just trying to rip it.

Off.

Off. It is physically impossible, but. Yes. Anyway, so then Harry pushed one of them off. One of. One of them fell over. One of them started. So one of them was off the pad. One of them was on the pad. The guy on the PED started like, riding away because he'd realized, like, ah, this is bad because they were already there for like two minutes probably, but it felt like two seconds because they were taking so long. They're probably expecting to freak me.

Out.

Yeah. And I'm a little white boy in a Ferrari. Daddy's money. What? They're probably thinking he's probably gonna shit himself and take a his watch off. That wasn't the case. And I'm like, oh, it will probably go then. And then he starts riding away and left his. Left his friend. So Harry. So the guy behind him starts running after the PED to jump on Harry. Harry's wearing suspenders and, like smart shoes. And bear in mind, these are cobbled. It's a cobbled road, right? So it's not like a tarmac. Harry's like tripping over, twisting his ankle. I jump out of the car as well. We're like shouting at them, screaming at them. And then. Yeah, just a little bit. Obviously I didn't want to leave the card. I literally just. I basically I was by the door, but Harry was running after them. Yeah. And again, for context, remember, it's traffic, so it's not like they just got on a car just.

Went. Just.

Leave. Was just in the moment, bro. Like, yeah, we're just like screaming and shouting and we just had so much adrenaline pumping as well. I didn't even feel these until like the next day, obviously. So, yeah, so we ran away. And then the guy, lucky, well for him, luckily, jumped on the pedal. They just left. And then me and Harry, we obviously jumped Back into the Ferrari, we went down to the side. Everyone, like, swarms over. Like, in terms of. The public is like, oh, you okay? You're okay. Okay? And they were like, we can call the police. And then somebody came over and, like, could actually speak English. No. And they let. They're like, I'll be honest, guys. Like, we can call the police if you want, but I wouldn't suggest it because one, by the time they get here, it'll be like half an hour. Two, they're the corrupt that. This is how bad Naples is, bro. So he said, two, they're pro. They're corrupt. So they'll probably do the same thing. And then.

Free.

If. If you do actually come here, they will need a full statement from you. You're gonna have to go to the police station, so on and so on. So, yeah, how the story ended was we. We were shitting ourselves at this point because what we're thinking was, obviously they're gonna come back with, like, more people. Yeah. Because we were stuck there. Like, it's, you know, the traffic. We're stuck. But luckily, you know, we basically just weasel through the traffic. The windows are up, doors are locked. We're, like constantly looking around. And we just stopped at the closest hotel, which was fucking bougie as hell. It was like some Hilton hotel. It was a great ending, to be honest. But, yeah, that was my first time, like, getting.

Robbed. That's a good story to be fair, isn't.

It? Yeah, but this is. And then, you know, me and you off camera were talking about Dubai and moving stuff. Like, bro, even in London, like, I went out like this story, by the way, about Naples. This was. I was my birthday October. So it must have been like late October. My birthday is 20th of October. So I think it was like, there you go. It's either. Are you a Libra as well? Sick. It's either the end of the October or, like beginning of November, right? So now it must have been about 3ish months ago. We went out after, like December, just before Christmas, to London. I think it was like Cirque. We went out to. And for anybody that doesn't know what that is or where it is, when you come out of that nightclub, there's just a bunch of like, streets and alleyways, and we're essentially trying to come out to, like, the main road. And like, like, bro, there was just guy, like two guys ballied.

Up.

Yeah. Puffer Jack. Which is, like, funny because, like, people just.

Walk. People just walk around about London with the.

Watches. Nuts man, people just walk around like that around.

London.

Yeah. Like just the ballet, like fair play. But like, you know, it was just me and my boy again. And there was these two guys like, we've ballied up and like walking our way and you know, obviously I was like, not this again. Obviously had my watch on, which. I don't know, like, I've got. I've got a cat. No G shock. I've got a G shock now and I just wear that whenever I go.

Out.

Yeah. But yeah, yeah, it's. This is why I would. I'm moving away from. From uk. I'm not going to live.

Here. Is that confirmed that you're moving to the country they don't speak.

About? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, so I'm not going to be living there for certain reasons. But. But my business partner may or may not potentially be living.

There. Everyone on Twitter and YouTube has moved there or is moving there, including some of my very close friends. Friends. Which is sad because. Not gonna see.

Him. What was it? Four hour flight? No, eight.

Hour. Six and a.

Half. Six and a half Seven. But it's just. I don't know why Dubai flights are expensive, man. What.

The. I've never paid for flights. Always on.

Points. Points.

Yeah. First class for free. Yeah. Doing it for five years. That's. That is the one benefit of ad.

Spend. Yeah.

Yeah. True In E commerce particularly. Even though you actually run the maths on it and it's like, it's not worth as much as you.

Think. Yeah, but, yeah, where was. Where was the best place that you went to, by the.

Way? But.

Whatever. But the thing is, people ask me this as well, but I always. My answer is like. Well, it depends on what. Like, are you talking about the nightlife? Like, look.

Wise. The most memorable when I first went was probably like Bali because it's very different. That was like. I associate that period with when I first, like started traveling and like being entrepreneur and all this.

Shit. The first kind of taste of freedom, I.

Guess. Yeah, exactly. And. And it's never as magical as the first time. And you don't know that at the time. I've since been there recently, it was still sick, but it wasn't as.

Magical. Yeah.

Yeah. I've seen it done it before.

Now.

Yeah. It's like with.

Anything.

Yeah. Which is why things are very fleeting with their experiences or things. And kind.

Of. We were speaking about this off camera, which is like, like. And it's also, by the way, it goes back to just before I started the story about the Watch one of the last questions you asked me, which was like, so why not just scale the management agency right to like a mil a month? Like. Like, because it could be a great cash cow business. So, yeah, so we. How I got into this story was like, I'm at the stage where, like, I. I've done all the things that I've wanted. Which, by the way, was the only thing that I wanted was just to retire my mom. Like, that was my only thing. Mainly because, like I mentioned, unfortunately my pops passed away when I was 18, so that just left me with me and my mum and without going like, too fucking dark to end the potty or like, you know, bit of a sob story, but I think it just made you realize, like, what's actually important. Going out, spending two grand on some stupid bottles where you're gonna be hanging the next morning, or buying a piece of clothing, you know, where like, unfortunately, if you just spill something on it, it's fucked. Like, it's not worth it. But helping your friends and family is like, incredible, bro. So I have a really small family. I just have my initial family, just me and my mum. And then my full family is just my auntie and two cousins. That is it. I have no grandparents. I don't have any brothers or sisters. So because we are such a small family, that's what, that's the only thing that really matters, you know, that's what I like spending money on. That's what I do not ever think twice about spending money on. Whereas, like, sometimes genuinely, like, I'll. I bought this scarf in, in Italy, but I thought twice about it, but I was like, that's right, it's winter. I'll justify. I'll wear the scarf for such an idiot. It was like £400. Which I guess to me now is like, it's okay, but like, still £400. I could have spent it on something else. Yeah. But friends and family is very important. So I've done that. Now. What's, what's. What else do I really want? I know it sounds, I don't know, some maybe to you will sound normal, but to most people, maybe it sounds like, oh, look at you. But I've always had, like, massive goals and I thought, like, really, really big, which is like, for me, I just want power now. It's like. And when I say power, by the way, I just mean, like, what's the best way to describe it? For example, if I want to get into a country but I'm not allowed, or like, if, if my Friend is stuck in a country and he can't get out. I can just do one message or one phone call and I can sort that. Like, that's what I'm trying to get to. Right. And a meal a month ain't gonna do that. It's just not. It just isn't. So I need to build something to then be able to exit from and then just keep redoing that, like, because I love building things. So my thought process is, if I can build something, exit from it, it's probably not going to be anything too big in the grand scheme of things. Sure, it'll be a couple mil, but I'm not talking like hundreds of millions. But the lesson that. The lessons I will learn along there will help me with the next business. Do you know Alex Homozy? Yeah, heard of him. Right. You know, essentially I want to essentially, you know, build something. What Alex has got going on. So it's like an incubator of, like, businesses that are doing above 3 million a month. Month. And he helps them build to, like, you know, whatever. However, what is the ceiling of that said business and then to exit for hundreds of millions. And if anyone's wondering, like, where did I get this idea? Or like, how. What makes me think this way? It's actually quite funny. I remember watching. What was it called out Billionaire, I think Billionaires. Yeah, it's like a series, right? Is it called.

Billionaires? Something like that? It's Billionaires.

Billions. Billions. I don't know the actor's.

Name. Yeah, the Ginger.

John. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. My dad watches that.

Shit. Yeah. So I watched like four or five episodes of it back when I was running my agency, funny enough, like my marketing agency. This is so. I'm. I was like 20 years old at that point. I'm 24 now, by the way. And back then, and I watched it and that's what made me, like. It's really interesting. I genuinely. If you guys don't watch any of that, that's the only thing that I. I recommend. I'm Wolver, Wall street, obviously, but everyone's watched that and. But that what. That gave me, like an insight. I know it's a TV show or like a series, but at the end of the day, it genuinely gives you a bit of an insight on what does a billionaire actually like, what does their life look like, bro? And there's like that one. I think it's like the fourth episode, which is the last one I watched. I didn't watch much of it, but Because I. I get bored so easily. I have like a really short attention span if I'm not into something, right? And. But I remember this. One of the episodes was him. I'm probably gonna butcher the exact storyline, but it was basically like he went to, like, this event with his misses and it was like some awards ceremony, right? And it was being hosted in this hall in there in their city. It was like one of those old. Old, like, halls, right? Like a massive, like, fucking thing. And it was called something like this said family, like, named it and the plaque said, like, their name, Their family.

Name. I know this.

Guy. Huh? Yeah. And he. And he looked at it. He was like, like, isn't it? And she was like, what do you mean, darling? It was like this beautiful building. It's called the name. I don't like it. I'm gonna change it. She was like, what do you mean? The next cutscene is him sitting in, like, the. The table with all the. The family that own that building. And. And he made like, a crazy offer. I think they were looking for like, 400 million or 40. No, 40 million, something like that. And he offered 4 million, right? Something. Something along those lines. Like proper. Proper undercut edit. And yeah, long story short, he actually got the building, changed the name just because he didn't fucking like it. And it's kind of like how Elon just buys Twitter and things like.

That. Yeah, it's fucking levels to.

It. But I think that's. I think that's where I'll. I'll get enjoyment without going too deep as well. I know me and you spoke about this. Just off the potty is like, I'm not depressed in no way, shape or form. Like, I. I'm happy, but there's not a lot of things I like, I really find enjoyment anymore other than, like, building things, like building businesses and like, working on.

Things. I think just progression. Yeah, yeah, I've spoke about this before. It's the only real thing. Like, that's why, like, the whole. The whole lifestyle brigade are never going to go very far unless they realize pretty soon that that stuff is fleeting while it's still sick. And I would fucking love to have 25 cars in a garage, especially cars, because that's my thing. But you just. I think you want to be. You want to build something cool, always be getting better and be respected for doing.

Something. That's the goal.

Basically.

It.

Yeah. Like, it's a. And I think that's what you have to do as a man, particularly as a man, which is like, apparently a like, sensitive subject these days, because who is a man on.

This?

Yeah. But I think I'm pretty traditional in that respect.

So. You know what else is an interesting topic as well? I've only realized, like, in the last two years, I guess, because I've only really been making. To me, like, good money is like 100k a month now. Like, it's not nowhere near to where I want to get to, but to me, like, I'm making that now, which is, to me, I'm quite happy with it. But fuck, what was I gonna say? Oh, yeah. To me, when I was first starting out, I was thinking essentially, like. Like, maybe when you make like 10 grand a month, that's when you can, like, afford everything that you always wanted. Which kind of. It depends. Obviously, everyone. Everyone has, like, different goals and everyone wants, like, different things, but to me, it's like, even now, 100k, it's like. Yeah. I still can't, like, I love RMs as ugly as they are. I actually really like.

Them. Don't write.

Them.

No. I think the Holy Grail is like a rose gold Passette Nautilus or some.

Shit. Yeah. Yeah. They're beautiful as.

Well. Well, I can see what you.

Mean. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say the RM is like my Grail piece, but as much as I love them, I know how expensive they are, but, like, I can't afford something like that. Yeah, I wouldn't want to either.

Because I don't know they're really gonna go. I mean, the carrot's always.

Moving. Yeah, correct. Right. And it's always. It's always that next.

Thing. It's always going to be like that, though. But I think when you get to the point where you can experience a bit of it, then you probably start to have more context on the fact that it's not going to make you happy anyway. It's more the building things. And obviously you want money and it's here of things. It does matter, but it matters less. Less past a certain point and then it's more about just doing it because you want to build shit. It's like, what else are we fucking here for? Can't all be like, enjoyment. Which is why I relate to David Goggins so much. That's why I've started doing these mad runs and.

Shit.

Yeah. I do it because it's.

Shit.

Yeah. And because I. Because I know that most people aren't doing it. So I like the idea of being able to say, I beat that guy. By an.

Hour. That's how you get.

Satisfaction. I like the fact that it's not money and it's away from a.

Screen.

Yeah. It's like a physical endeavor. It's like some.

Viking. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Worked harder than.

You.

Yeah. You versus me, like I'm gonna kill you. It's like a physical.

Realm. Conquer in.

It. Yeah.

Exactly. Conquering the.

Day. It passes over into the. Into other things as.

Well. Let's. I've spoken about the whole morning routine type of things because for me, when I was first starting out in, in business in general, I would have like this mad morning routine that I genuinely stick to like every day. If I like half a year, which was like obviously you wake up at like 4 or 5, but. But go to sleep at like 9, 10 obviously. So it's kind of like the same thing. But yeah, just going to sleep earlier and then be at the gym. I think it was. No, I think I woke up at five. Go to the gym at six because it opened at six, finish it obviously seven, have a shower, this and that, eat breakfast and then start work at like half eight. And then by like 1 2pm I've already done like more work than like the average person would in a week. And that would feel just fucking incredible. So. I know exactly what you mean. That feeling. Right. Like kind of satisfaction of like I know I've worked harder than somebody.

Else.

Yeah. But what's interesting is I don't do that anymore and I make way.

More. Well, I think it's because you learn what works for you and you become more nuanced in your approach to things rather than trying to just, you know, watch Alex Homozy or whatever and follow that which you have to do to.

Yourself.

Point. Right, last question. I feel like we could go for like five.

Hours.

Yeah. Storyteller. I asked this question to everyone. Now it's very cheesy, but I think it's quite reflective and useful and you have to think about on the spot. If you could give three bits of advice to your, I don't know, 16 year old self now, in hindsight, what would it.

Be? What would they be as difficult that the most difficult things in general are the things that are going to bring you more rewards, which is like common sense. But once you actually practice it, then you start to realize it. So for example, it's not easy to wake up at 5am consistently and to go gym and to come home and start work and genuinely put this away. Like, like away away and actually sit at your computer and Just like work for four or five hours. So one is like do the hard things. Like you said it yourself, you do it because you don't want not know you want to do it, but it's difficult. That's why you do it. Right. So that second thing, and I feel like probably everybody's heard all these things, but there's probably a reason because these are the things that matter. Second one is just consistency. Second one is consistency again. I know it seems like such a cliche.

Yeah. I mean this is the.

Thing. Everyone says the same.

Thing. Well, the cliches are.

True. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. But it's interesting hearing it from different people. They're not all the.

Same. Same thing. So. Yeah. Second thing is consistency. That goes for more than which obviously I'm sure everyone just thinks about like if you're running a business, work on my business consistently. Yeah, but like, I mean like how you do one thing is how you do everything, bro. So if you're not consistent with how you clean your room, you're not going to be consistent in how you run your business. If you're not consistent in your self hygiene and how you portray yourself, it's the same with that. Same as how you talk, how you make yourself come across. Like it's all these things. You have to be consistent in everything and over a long period of time. Yeah. Third one piece of advice. Yeah, yeah. Initially, first thing I heard is such a cheesy thing, but I'm not gonna say. I'll just say it. But this isn't my third thing which is like take more risk. I always did. I think I've been in such a fortunate position in my life where like, like my mother, bless her little heart, man, my mother has always been like the perfect balance between like Marcus, do whatever the you want and Marcus, you can't do this or you have to do that. And like a balance. Right. She's never been strict and she's never really told me what not to do or what to do. But she's always supported me, man, always. But there has been like, unfortunately before my, you know, pops passed away, there was a pretty shit thing that I was, you know, going down because I was living in council estate and like I said, all my friends were either doing drugs or selling them and as you can imagine, I was doing one of the two. I'll let you figure that one out. Out. And then obviously things like that. My mom would like put me in a place like, what the are you doing? You know, you can't do that for the rest of your life. But other than that, my mom always let me take risks. So for example, I was like, mom, I'm gonna drop out of college. I don't see a point in it. All right, cool. Most parents probably wouldn't do that, right? Hey, mum, I know I've been doing this door to door job for a year and I'm making decent money, but I'm gonna quit. You sure? Yeah. All right, cool. So. So take risks is the third thing that came in my.

Mind. But I feel like I can think of one. But you can add a.

Four. I can feel I can think of a better one. What about you? Give, give one, give on yourself for 16.

Yourself. I'm slightly different. Once I've answered a few times, people have turned on me. I would say document more for your own sake, even if you don't post it. Because I wish I had fucking done these weekly videos or podcast, whatever the fuck you want to call it in some context. Even when I had nothing to speak about, I wish I'd done more of it. Because you can't get those that time back. And the stuff I did film from like five years ago. I find it like so powerful watching now because it's the only. Obviously pictures are one day everyone's got loads of pictures. But if you have a video of you speaking, it's like a time capsule. So I just. Especially in this day and age, even if you don't post it, like do a private YouTube video, whatever it is. And especially with YouTube you can then make it public in years to come and people have a date on it. So it's like context for the journey. So that's probably one thing I'd say so.

Different. Completely agree, man. That's also why I haven't privated all my old videos when I was doing sma. Yeah, okay. They're still up there. I'm like. Because it's hide people.

Give. It's impossible. Not so. When you're younger you give way too much. People think, which is why you don't make content. I remember wanting to be a YouTube. A YouTuber. Yeah, I used to make music covers. Yeah, I deleted loads of them because someone at school said they.

Were. Yeah, yeah, I wish I.

Just. Now I just don't give a. Because whatever, you get over.

It. But document more, I thought. Thank you for giving me some time to think, by the way. Okay, I've got the third thing now. And this will only this probably won't apply to everybody because if you're Just starting out. This won't apply to you. But if you're like, if you've been doing entrepreneurship or trying to build something, the. Bro, please take this advice. And there's so many fucking people that don't do this. Just stick to one thing for long enough. Yeah, because I know me and you spoke about that briefly off camera, and I was the same, bro. Like the thing, you know, the shiny object syndrome.

Obviously. Right. I even get it.

Now. Sure, sure, sure, sure. The thing is, is it's. It's like, you know that such an old, old photo of, like two guys digging and one is like this close to diamonds. And, you know, he's. He's classic. It's so true. I swear to.

God. It's something you can do anything, but not.

Everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. At least at the same.

Time. Correct. Especially when you're starting out. Yeah, when. When you are like Elon Musk level and you have money to then pay people to do for you, that's fine. But people don't think of it that way. People think that Elon is the one building all this. He's not. He's just making the moves and, you know, so on and so on. But even then, imagine if Elon just put all this thought power into, like, one.

Thing. Yeah, arguably would be.

Better. Right? But especially when you're starting out, bro, you have so much learning to do. You have so much learning to do. You probably don't have a lot of money, so you can't, you know, scale faster. And even if. Even if you have a lot of money and you have a lot of time, it's also about your thought capabilities, right? So, like, if you're thinking of two, just. Just two things, which, by the way, most people have fucking seven different things going on. Like. Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm into trading, I'm into crypto, but I'm also running this agency, and I'm also doing copywriting.

And email with a girl that saps your mental.

Energy. There you.

Go. That's just.

Me. No, that's it, man. So just stick to one thing, man. Stick to one thing. And sure, maybe somebody might be thinking, but what do I stick to? Or how long do I stick to it? No, obviously I can't answer it for everybody because everybody has a different, different thing. For me personally, I can only say for me, if you're doing something and. And you've been doing it for, you know, so, like, I mean, again, there's a difference because somebody might do something for three months and Somebody might do something for a.

Year. It's hard to stick with one thing when you're getting started. But you'll know. I think what you're getting at is you'll know if it's going somewhere or not. You just have to be honest with yourself. Maybe it takes someone else to tell you, or maybe it takes, I don't know numbers to tell you, but I think you know in your gut if something's for you or.

Not. Do you know what the best way. The best way. And again, this won't apply to everybody, but this is how I'd done it. Maybe yourself as well, they will. If you are doing a bunch of shit and if this is you right now, you're listening right. Out of the three, four, even two things, how many things got you got going on? Out of all the things that you're going on? Well, which one do you want? Kind of enjoy the most, but that isn't that important. It depends which stage you're at. Actually, for me now it's enjoyment. Right, I'm sure maybe for you as well, but. And then two is obviously which one is making you the most money. Money, yeah, like profit. That is not revenue because you can have an E comm store and you're making 20k a month, but if you're making a thousand a month, that doesn't matter. How much are you taking home from that store? Right. But yeah, so how much are you making from all the things that you're going on? And if there's one thing that stands out from all of them, like way above and you enjoy that thing, just drop all the other things and stick to that one thing. Yeah, you can always go back to the other things in the future if you really wanted to. It's not going to disappear, but I think people have FOMO in it. They want to do a bit of.

Everything. I've got FOMO because I'm not running an any fan agency yet. And the problem is I could probably do it, but I'm not gonna. On that bombshell, this has been a long one, actually like two hours, 20 nearly. This is in the top 1% of long podcast. We're running down.

Six. I'm always in the top 1%. Let's go, boys. Thank you for having me.

Man. I think we can definitely clip this pod more than any other episode I ever did done. And I'm going to. And yeah, I hope people learn something. So I certainly did. And if you are not doing anything, maybe potentially check out your community and start a agency. But I guess if you're running an econ brand, probably not the best idea, but. Yeah, where can people find you and. And your community and shit? I mean, I'll link it all down, but.

Sure. Just the easiest way I guess is if you want to directly link the. The Discord community. I'll just obviously get that in the description, but just my Instagram at Marcushustle, then in the description of that Instagram is the Discord. And on there you can find everything. We have a bunch of free stuff. Obviously, if you. If you have some money. We have an online course. It's $499. It's like 300 something quid. 390 quid or something. If you want that. Sure, be my guest. That does teach you everything from A to Z. It just save you a lot of time. But alternatively, if you're just starting out, we have a bunch of free stuff. Stuff. Just join the Discord.

See. Right. As always, subscribe to the pod. Cheers for watching. This was a sick episode and I really need a piss now, so see you in the next.

One. See you later.

Lads. Cheers.