Exploring the AI World with Matt Wolfe

In the entire history of mankind, no technology has seen faster adoption than AI brands, governments, entrepreneurs, individuals are all scrambling to figure out this new world. One person has been following it closely for some time and his name is Matt Wolf. Today, we welcome Matt to the show to jump into a future that might be the present. By the time you hear this episode of the Bad Crypto podcast, which happens to be episode number 684. Also, you should know.

Who'S bad.

Foreign to the Bad Crypto podcast, the show for the crypto curious and the crypto serious. I am back from an extended European vacation. We had a couple best of episodes in there, which we hope you enjoyed. But this is fresh content now, Sir.

Lord Travis, they say you need to make more content. So like, here's some effing content.

It's fresh.

I just think this should be a new show called welcome to Content. This is content.

I am content with that content. I'm really content that we finally got Matt Wolf to join us. Now you look, we have this other show called the Bad AI show, but Matt is such a leader in, is a journalist and covering the AI space, and there's definitely overlaps into crypto and NFTs and blockchain that we really wanted to bring it to you here on, on this show. Smart dude, kind of kind dude, very open.

Like, I very rarely do you see or meet someone who you're like. You know, normally when somebody, they do something cool, they figure it out. And I see this all the time, like on Reddit or even on Twitter, where somebody creates something badass and. But then they don't share how they did it. You know what I mean? I'm like, dude, like, why don't you show it? Show us how you did it. Like, dude, it's like, it's not rocket science. We just want to know. And they're like, oh, I'm not going to tell you my secret super prompts because not doing it like dick. But Matt Wolf, he's the exact opposite of that dude. You message him, be like, hey, bro. Like, he didn't even know me from Adam whenever I first messaged him months ago. And I was like, hey, bro, how dude, you did this thing? It's so cool. How'd you do that? And he's like, oh, well, you did like this. And this night I was like, what? He even gave me a link to, oh, here's a video tutorial on how to do that. I was like, what dude? The dude's so open and awesome and friendly that it was just such a. Such a joy to even interact with the dude. Now we had him on the show.

You might say he's so open that Matt Wolf is open AI, sort of, kind of in a way. So you guys are going to want to stick around, because after the interview, we're going to tell you how you can get Matt Wolf's inaugural Bad Crypto nft. I don't think he's minted an NFT yet. And we've got one to go along with this episode.

It might be the first Matt Wolf NFT ever. Is that what you're saying?

It might be. So we're going to tell you how to get that on the other side of this interview with Mr. Matt Wolf. And you're like, hey, guys, this is Bad Crypto. Right? What's with the. The AI stuff today? Well, you know that Trav and I are on the cutting edge of technology, and we've got our other show, the Bad AI Podcast. But sometimes we feel like, hey, the content we've got is so spectacular. We want to make it front and center to you here in the Republic of Bad Cryptopia. And as we're talking about AI, we're excited to welcome to today Mr. Matt Wolf, who has found himself just because of his fascination with the AI space with quite a significant audience. He's tracking the space on his YouTube channel at Matt Wolf and with his website, Future Tools IO. Matt, welcome to the Bad Crypto podcast. Good sir.

Yeah, thanks for having me. Not every day I get to chat with a sir and a lord. So excited to be here.

How about a sir Lord? Because we're actually both.

Oh, sorry, sorry. No, no disrespect.

We demand respect. You have not. You've not used the proper pronouns or titles.

Travis likes to be referred to as Zur Lord.

No, sorry, your lord, actually.

What's your whole title, Trav?

I don't even remember at this point, but it had. Because we've actually started out being sir with lords. Because we. Some land in Scotland.

Yeah.

Then. Then we Sealand decided to knight us.

Yeah.

And so they knighted us, then made a story. But what was really funny was some dude. I was having a conversation. He's like, he's from England. He's like, so lord, it's impossible. You can't be both. I was like, what do you mean, can't be both? He's like, cause one supersedes the other one. It's like, I'm a director, but I'm the CEO. Also, it don't make sense. Mate, like I'm a manager and I'm not a director. No, you, you're one of the other.

Well, no, wait a second. You could be CEO and president. I'm CEO and president of my company, so.

Yeah, but you can't be CEO and manager.

Stuff it British guy. That's what I say.

All I know is title podcast here.

Part of Travis's title is. Is well earned. He is the most high. So that is true.

So Matt, there's some site, there's some site called with the United Church something I don't even know. It's universal. Something. Something I don't even remember. You can get the most ridiculous titles of all time. So I think, Matt, you need to go get like the super AI guy.

Yeah, I should. I'll look into that for sure.

Just ask Chat GPT to write the most ridiculous, you know, title you can. So, you know, we found ourselves in the crypto space back in 2017 and decided to start a show because we were fascinated with it. You found yourself in the AI space? How did that come about? Because you were doing videos on technology in general.

Yeah. So I started creating content in 2009, my YouTube channel. I started in 09. And it was all just tech stuff. It was just anything I was interested in for years and years and years. It was mostly about WordPress and WordPress plugins and how to do Facebook ads and just anything. Digital marketing was really the place that I played in. And then last year in 2022, I started to get into crypto. I started to get into NFTs. Those were the rabbit holes. I started to travel down a little bit because again, anything sort of tech, anything new, anything sort of cutting edge is what I was into. And then somewhere around mid-2022, I really, really started to go down the AI rabbit hole. I came across some videos of people that were sort of changing their face and putting them on cartoons and, you know, face swapping. And then I started to learn about ChatGPT when that came out. And so I just. It's always been me making videos about the nerdy tech latest thing that I'm excited about. But in mid-2022, when the AI stuff started to pick up in the mainstream, I had already kind of put a few videos on my YouTube channel about AI people discovered them. One of my videos ended up hitting 1.1 million views because it was just right time, right place, every stars aligned. And one of my AI videos just sort of exploded. And I went, I should kind of do more of this. And so ever since then, I've just stuck on creating AI content because that's what's continued to work, honestly.

Yeah, I love that. And then, you know, through that discovery of your content, you know, you go out and you see the things that you've been putting together around future tools, which I was thinking about this. I just like, oh, man. Like these. And then I saw what you were doing. I was like, yeah, great. I don't need to do that. Okay, perfect, because here it already is. I know there's no need for me to try to recreate any wheel and this platform right here. So this is where I think a lot of folks are going to get some value, not only from your expertise and exploring this stuff, but, like, what you've compiled here I think is really fun because if anytime you're bored, you're like, I got nothing to do. I'm just going to waste some time, like, no, go on future tools and start playing around with some stuff. You're going to find some really cool tools. I think there was like maybe 300 something tools there when I first saw it. Now what are you up to? 1700.

Yeah. It's crazy. So this site actually started because I just. As I was coming across cool tools, I was just tossing them into a Google sheet. I literally had a Google sheet on my computer. It was bookmarked, and whenever I come across a cool AI tool, I would just toss it in there. So originally I had Mid Journey and I had GPT3 there, and I had stable diffusion and a few Google collabs that I came across that I thought were cool. But the spreadsheet, as AI started to pick up steam, I was adding so much stuff to the spreadsheet that it was getting hard to find anything in the spreadsheet. So I actually made this website with a site called webflow because it had sort of filters and sorting. And so I literally built this site for myself so that I could sort of filter down to the exact tool that I was looking for and I didn't have to sort of hunt a spreadsheet that I made. That's sort of how this started. I took this site, I gave the URL on Twitter, I went, hey, this is something I've been working on. It's just something I've been screwing around, playing with. And Twitter just exploded it for me. Robert Scoble took it, he retweeted it. A bunch of other people in the AI space started retweeting it. Next thing I know, my tweet about this Little tool that I made in like five hours had been spread across Twitter and seen by hundreds of thousands of people. So that's kind of how that started. But to answer the question of where I'm finding all these tools, I mean, it's just pure immersion, right? I'm sort of on all the AI newsletters. I'm on Twitter all the time, seeing all this stuff. There's a submission form now, so I get about 50 to 100 submissions every single day, depending on how wild things are moving in the AI space. So it's just a combination of just total immersion and people submitting stuff to me like crazy.

You know, that's funny. It's. That's kind of the Yahoo story. You know, when. When David Filo and Jerry Yang started Yahoo, it was because they needed a directory for their friends to be able to look at all the sites they were compiling. And you get bonus points, Matt, if you know what Yahoo was an acronym for.

I don't.

Oh, I'm. I got it. I think I'm close.

Okay.

Yet another hierarchical something.

Yeah. Yet another hierarchically organized Oracle is. Is Yahoo. So you have learned well, Grasshopper.

So in the early days, I was a web crawler guy. So, yeah.

So, you know, Chat GPT has been amazing to watch. What's happened with AI? Chat GPT hit a million users in five days. Like, nothing has ever crossed that million mark. It took like, how long did it take Instagram to do it? Like months, 10 months or something like that to get there. Spotify hit 1 million in. In five months. It took Netflix three and a half years to hit 1 million. And I've got a link to an article in the show Notes that you guys can check out about this. What is, what do you think this means to society in general that AI has found adoption so quickly?

I mean, I think, honestly, I think it's making a lot of lives easier. I constantly, in the mix of it, right? And I hear all these stories of, like, doom and gloom and everybody worried about it taking their jobs and all of that kind of stuff. And I do think to, like, it is going to make some jobs obsolete, but I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. I think it's going to make all the jobs that nobody wants to do obsolete, but I think it's going to make a lot of jobs easier. Some of the biggest complaints I've seen about AI have come from the artist community and the game developer community and some of these communities that have always been sort of like high Skill communities. But also the biggest praise that I've seen coming about from AI has come from the people that are the artists in the artist community and the people that are the game developers, right? The people that are sort of embracing it and learning how to use AI to sort of give them these extra superpowers are the ones that are really, really thriving from it. You know, I know a lot of AI artists or a lot of artists that started to implement AI into their art. And those specific artists are the ones that are exploding on Twitter right now, they're exploding on YouTube right now, they're exploding on Instagram right now. A lot of the game developers that are starting to implement it are, you know, some of the most anticipated games. I just heard that Grand Theft Auto 6, they're taking. They. They had like the. The police officers originally, they built their own like AI for these police officers. And they decided after seeing the event that Jensen Huang spoke at not too long ago in Taiwan where he showed off this sort of this character, that the dialogue would be unique every single time you talk to him because it's using AI behind the scenes. Well, Grand Theft Auto 6 went and decided we're going to scrap our AI system and just implement that. So now when you go and talk to a police officer in GTA 6, it's going to be a complete unique conversation. Nobody's going to have the same experience ever when playing Grand Theft Auto 6 because the conversations are going to be generated on the fly.

I can't wait. That's going to be amazing.

It's exciting. And I actually, I interviewed the founder of the tool that built that convey and he gave me a walkthrough of it and I actually have an early, early demo of the software on my computer and I've played around with it a little bit and it's just mind blowing what's coming with it. So I tend to take the more optimistic, abundant philosophy on it that I think this is a good thing for society. I think a lot of bad actors will use it. Don't get me wrong. I think we will see a lot of scams and spammers and more of those stories where people are spoofing other people's voices and calling loved ones and family members to try to get money out of them. I think we're only gonna hear more and more of those stories. But from a like a business standpoint, I think it's a. It's a overall plus, honestly, it's real.

That's really fascinating to kind of think about that with. With the police, actually, they're no longer really NPCs, they're NPC GPTs. And you can interact with them. But what everyone wants to know is like, are you going to be able to communicate with the hookers? Because that's what's really important. That is what everyone truly wants to know. I mean, it's so crazy. And I want to touch base on something you said earlier. It seems to me like AI can augment us in a way to sort. It's almost like having the best Brainstorm buddy of all time or a best super assistant, because it's like, I think faster than I can do, and then it's like, oh, I got to do this step here, and then I got to do that. And then by the time I get to that next step, I'm like, I'm done. But with this, it's like, yeah, I do this, boom, it's done. Wow. Now I go to the next step. It's like having. It's like. It's like I've never felt more creative now than I am and more organized because I can take these learnings and these things that I've built, these ideas, churn them out in a way that you could never do, you know, previously, yeah, 100%.

I've. Me personally, I've never felt like I've had skill in things like art, but now I can go into mid journey and people are blown away by the stuff that I create. Right. I make really sort of unique thumbnails for my YouTube channel that stand out.

Thumbnails are freaking badass. Like, I've been sitting there going, like, how in the hell does this dude do? And then, because I could never get the face right. And I. I assume you're doing that in Stable diffusion, right?

Yep, yep. Stable diffusion is. So there's a tool called Dream Booth where you can train your face into Dream Booth and then use Stable Diffusion and replace other people's faces with your face. And so I've actually made tutorials on exactly how I do that, but I've never had that sort of artistic skill. And using AI, it's enabled me to do stuff that I never thought I would have the skill to do. I built a video game. I have a video game that I created. It's like a platformer game where you jump from platform to platform and there's lava below, and you're collecting. You try to collect as many coins as you can without falling in the lava. And I've never coded in my life and I and I have a whole game with pretty decent graphics, all coded. You can get online, you can play it right now. I put it on, I made it available for anybody to play. I put the code on GitHub and after I put the code on GitHub, it started getting forked and people started making alternate versions of this game. And to this day I don't know how to code. Like, I have no idea how the thing's running behind the scenes.

This is why, you know, learn to code is no longer a mantra to speak to people who lost their job flipping burgers or barista at Starbucks. It's got to be learned to prompt because these are the people that are going to make money. Now while you were doing that, I went to chat.

Let me add to that, Joel, that might not even be the case because with some of these super prompt generators, like I watched this one video that Matt had done of like, here's how to create the best. So you can think you're gonna say a good little prompt, but you can use Chat GPT to create so much better prompts. It's unbelievable.

So maybe it's learn to sit back and let the bots do everything for you. You know, take, take your, your government check, shut up and eat bugs and like it. I don't know. I, I went to Chad GPT and I told it to write a pompous title for Matt Wolf, a YouTuber who creates content and technology and AI space. And it. And this is what it came up with. The supreme technological oracle, Matt Wolf, the unrivaled guru of A.I. marvel's Guardian of the digital frontier and commander of the techno savvy realm.

Yeah, I think I'm going to rebrand my YouTube channel to that actually. Yeah, that sounds good.

There's actually a whole bunch of those.

So.

Right as we're looking at future tools, let, let's just pick out a few things that we can look at that's really caught your attention lately. And, and I want to like, let's show off something without me tool before. What, what should we look at?

Let's see. So if you click on any one of those buttons there, it'll filter it down by that style. I think some of the most impressive stuff on here is some of the generative video stuff that you can just type prompts and it'll generate video. There's some really, really killer text to speech stuff. Now I don't know if you guys have played around with 11 Labs at all. Yes, 11 Labs is pretty mind blowing. You can train your own voice into it. You can train anybody's voice into it. You know, there's, there's obviously some ethical issues that can arise from that. But I did make a video where I trained Owen Wilson's voice in there and made a sort of mock Wes Anderson film. That one's pretty mind blowing.

But which, which is, is, is model. For example, I'm looking at model scope text to video. Is that, does that work pretty good? If I like just type in text, it'll make a video for me of that.

That one will work decently. I don' A lot of the text of video generation is still fairly slow. But model scope, text to video, if you're familiar with Gen 2 from Runway ML, that's also a text to video tool.

Basically where you were snapping the other day. I just watched that last night.

Yeah, thanks. Yeah, that was done with actually Gen 1, which is a video to video. So Gen 1 is video to video. You upload a video, you give it a prompt and it will change the video to look like the prompt you give it. Gen 2 is peer text to video. You type whatever you want. It'll generate a video based on that text prompt. But what that model scope is that you were just looking at, it's similar to what Gen2 does, where you can type any text prompt and it'll make a video. The problem with most text to video right now is it only generates between three and four second videos. So the video is almost too short to even get excited about what you're seeing because it's usually just like a little blip on the screen real quick of whatever you generated. And also that model scope, all of the data that it's in. That's in there was trained on Shutterstock data. So all of it has a Shutterstock watermark across it.

Yeah. I got a question for you around this because I saw your, your summary of the Apple event. Right?

Yeah.

And we were all watching that. I know Joel and I have been talking about this for years. I was like, dude, when, when Apple comes out with an AR device, this is going to change the game. Now, I really wasn't expecting ski goggles because you can't really walk around in ski goggles and look cool. I was kind of, you know, I was kind of expecting it when the, when the form factor gets a little bit smaller so we can actually, you know, look through them and you got lenses and your lenses can do stuff. I think that this seems really ridiculous. And one of the things I was talking to Joel about was, how cool will it be when we are able to use Generative AI to command exactly the environment we want to be sitting in right now? It seems to me that games are on the precipice of changing in a way that most people could never even comprehend. When you can say, I want to sit in a. A beautiful field in Switzerland. I want to see the Alps in the background. And I wanted there to be a big lake right here in a river and give me a palm tree for no reason. And like you're going to be able to sit in these worlds that you just concocted, dude. It makes me think, bro. It really makes me think that we probably are living in some sort of simulation where we are this synthetic bio algorithm of some sort that some advanced og. Because we can create stuff like this now, dude. And like. And we've only been in the industrial revolution for 250 years.

Like. What? Yeah, it's getting crazy. In fact, when you just said that, it reminded me of another tool that I don't know if you guys have tried. Have you. Have you seen Blockade Labs yet?

What's the website?

Blockade Labs is a text to 3D environment. So you prompt anything you want. So what you were just saying you want to be in a field with trees and flowers or whatever. You prompt it, it will prompt a 360 degree thing that you can actually like move around and look around in. And it's free to use. You can get on.

You can get in there and look at it.

Yeah. You can export it and pull it into a Google, into a meta quest if you wanted to. Yeah, yeah. You can import it into Unreal Engine, use it as your 3D environment in a video game. Yeah, it works really, really good. You can type any prompt you want and it will just generate that landscape.

Oh my Trav. Give me a. Let's dream up something right now. Give me a world. I'll type it in.

Okay, so we want an island world.

Yeah.

Can you put creatures inside of it or is it just only the environment?

You could try. I don't know how well it's going to generate the creatures because it's more meant to be the sort of scenery that you then put 3D objects into.

Okay. Maybe let's do like a pirate scene or some sort like an island pirate treasure hunter.

I just did. I just did an island in space. I just. Let's see.

Space Island.

Yeah, Space islands sound really cool. And just checking back here, it's. I queued up here in Model Scope a Cute Yorkie poo playing in the grass. And I'm number four in the queue, so I'm gonna keep my eye on that.

Is that what Rufus is? Is he. Is he a Yorkie?

Yeah, he's a Yorkie poo. Yeah, we, we when. When we rescued Rufus, we thought he was a. What do you call him? A schnauzer. And there's no schnut in him at all. Okay, there it is. There is our island in space that it just created for us.

Yeah, there's a little drop down right next to the generate button too, where you could sort of change up the style of what you're going for as well.

Oh, so if I want to make it a manga, I can do that. I can change it to dreamlike cyberpunk, sci fi fantasy lands. Let's do anime art style. And that'll just.

There. We just don't have it where it's instantaneous, where we can see it. But I mean, with that new apple I like to call the Eyesight Pro. Should have called it. They totally missed it. It could have been eyesight and that's perfect. But this thing is. Looks phenomenal. Like this has nothing to do with crypto at all. But I mean, just the new era of spatial computing and some of the things that's going on in this space, even with like what Versus is doing and versus AI and how they're kind of putting everything in its own little operating system and everything has its own object, has its own thing. Like we are entering into such a unique phase in humanity that's like unlike anything that you can compare it to, I think.

Yeah, absolutely. I don't think anybody that claims they know where this is all going actually knows where it's all going. Because so far it's like people say, hey, we're gonna see this in two years. And then two months later we see the thing that they were predicting. Everything just seems to be accelerating and the pace at which all of this is happening is just blowing my mind, honestly. It's like some of this text to video stuff. I didn't think we would see it nearly as quick as we're seeing it.

There you go. There's the two second video of a Yorkie poo. Looks more like a Yorkie with one eye. Less like a poo. I don't see any poo there. But he's. He's in the grass. And this is all just AI generated. That dog doesn't exist. There he is. Are you familiar? Have we talked all offline about Verses yet, Matt, I've, I've heard of verses.

I don't know a whole lot about it, honestly.

So I had an opportunity to speak with Dan Mapes, who wrote the book on it, has been working on this technology and waiting for the right time for well over a decade. This is the next evolution of the web and, and the standards border, was it the IEE something or other that decides what the web protocols are going to be that are uniform? They've already given the thumbs up on this. This is going to be rolling out and it is what they call the spatial web. And I would encourage you and anybody who's interested in where the Internet is going to go to VERSUS AI and read about this. They actually just released a, a major industry report that solves the global AI governance problem due to how this, their open platform decentralizes and democratizes everything. And you can actually go to the website of Versus AI look for this press release that was done with Denton's us. Dentons is the world's largest law firm, I believe, that deals with technology and so it's kind of a big deal. And I think that, you know, we keep an eye on that. We might be ahead of the curve on what's coming next.

Yeah. So is Spatial Web this sort of rebranding of the word Metaverse?

Spatial Web? Yeah, yeah, it really is. The Spatial web is, you know, we've been talking about the Internet of things and what that's going to be like with everything being interconnected for years. But you know, devices don't necessarily talk to one another. If you're in the, you know, like the Philips ecosystem, you can control your, all your home devices from one app, but that doesn't necessarily talk to the LG stuff. And the spatial web is going to give ID to everything where it becomes completely interoperable and yet democratized and private. And I wish I could say I fully understand it. We're going to have Dan Mapes on a future episode of Bad Crypto to talk about this because it's mind blowing stuff.

Yeah, yeah, because I kind of feel like, you know, metaverse was the big term of 2022, but then I feel like Facebook kind of killed it. You know, Facebook turned it into like a term your grandpa uses kind of thing. And now nobody wants to say metaverse. I just went to the Augmented World Expo a couple weeks ago in Santa Clara and the entire time nobody mentioned the word metaverse once. And the whole thing was about AR and VR and mixed reality. And the word metaverse wasn't brought up once, except for ironically. Right. Like, nobody was using that term anymore in that space at all. And I think a lot of that has to do with Facebook's rebrand and then nobody wanting to use that term anymore. But, yeah, I still think that there's a metaverse coming. I just don't think it's what a lot of people thought the metaverse was going to be a couple years ago. I think it's less of the Ready Player One, where everybody is sort of all grouped together and you can bump into random people anywhere at any time. And because that, to me, it feels kind of awkward, right? I have a meta quest. I've gotten into the meta horizon thing. I've played these video games, and I wander around and bump into random people. And to me, that it's awkward. It just. It feels uncomfortable to be, like, running into random people all over the place. I think what Apple's version of it is, it's more the metaverse is you sort of joining your family members, joining your friends. I can have somebody sitting across from me in the room that lives in New Zealand, that lives in Puerto Rico, that lives, you know, wherever, but we feel like we're in the same room having a conversation or, you know, playing, you know, cards against humanity, against each other in virtual reality. I think that's more where the metaverse is going to go. And I think it's also more what, like, the general population would want from a metaverse. But I don't know. You guys have been in that world deeper than I have, so you probably have opinions.

Yeah, well, even when you look at it, you know, and you think about, oh, the metaverse is so huge, and then you're like, wait a second. I read that Decentraland has, like, on average, 38 daily active users or some crazy like that. So it's like. It's almost like it was kind of forced upon us. It seemed like it's like, no, we're gonna look. You're gonna love the metaverse. Here it is. And. And so I think as a by proxy, it kind of damaged the term Web3. And it's like. Because Web3 is really. It's like, here is this new tech. We're kind of really in web 2.5 right now. It's not quite a web 3. Maybe that new web 3 is this sort of spatial technology land. What is that term, Joel? I was looking for it. I can't find it. But it's like, it's not AI. They have another term that's AI that's like. But it's, it's similar to artificial intelligence, but it's some other term. I can't. I was looking for it. I can't find it because it's a really interesting way to sort of look at sort of. It's not augmented, it's something else. I don't know.

Did you ask Chat GPT because they might know.

I did not. I did not ask that, but I probably should. I was literally searching on it because I saw it on versus.com before, but then they've changed their website, so I don't see that term they were saying before. But anyways, it is, it is really fascinating this, this world and where we're headed in this sort of merger of all of these things into one. And I think you do such a great job of just like. Because it's like you, you, you're kind of like us where we've always said with crypto, we're not experts. We are going to explore this stuff and then teach you along the way. And I think you've done a really great job of capturing the soul and spirit of this all. And you're like, I'm not an expert. I'm not going to create a course. I'm just going to show you. And that's what I love about what you do, dude, is that most people don't open up the kimono like you do and say, oh, here's exactly how I like. I asked you on Twitter one day, I said, hey, dude, I suck at obs. How do I make myself in a circle? And you're like, oh, you need to do the. Yeah, thanks, bro. And now I figured out how to make myself in a little hexagon and I'm getting better at obs. I appreciate it. You're so open, man, and not a lot of people are.

Yeah, I mean, I try to be. I've never, I mean, probably partially imposter syndrome, but I've never really felt like an expert in any of the stuff I do. I feel like I'm just kind of learning it with everybody else. You know, I'm not. I'm not a machine learning engineer. I'm not somebody who has built any of this AI stuff myself. I'm not a coder. I'm not, you know, I've gotten better at crafting prompts in ChatGPT, but, you know, I don't know how a lot of this stuff runs behind the scenes. I'll do interviews with people who are developing these models and half the conversation is over my head. I'll go and listen to the interview back and type into chat GPT. What does this mean? After I did the interview, because, dude, half the words they use, I don't know.

That's the story of our lives. And you're not an imposter at all. I mean, you, you're fascinated with the space, you're covering it and people depend upon real people that are engaged. That's one of the reasons that Bad Crypto took off is we didn't come in and say, hey, we're experts, we're pointy heads, we get or curious. Are you curious? Are you crypto curious? Come with us and let's, let's discover together. And that's real because the, the world needs ombudsman, right? It needs shepherds. We're the Sherpa Derpas. You know, we, we love bringing people on the journey and, and introducing to them to this. So you, you told me before we started the interview that you dabbled with NFTs a little bit. You haven't gone too deep into it, but I'm curious, what, what did you dabble in? What did you, what caught your attention?

So most of what caught my attention, so I'm, I've always been a gamer and what caught my attention was most of the Metaverse gaming NFT stuff. There was a wave there where I was really, really into Solana NFTs. I thought a lot of the gaming world was going to be Solana. You know, I liked the transaction fees, I liked the experience of using Phantom. You know, there was some issues with Solana. I don't even remember the whole story, but didn't they have something to do with ftx? Ftx, yeah. So they were involved with ftx and that sort of hurt Solana quite a bit. But I was, I was really into the, the gaming space. There was a game that was coming out called Synergy Lands that I was an investor in. There was, you know, I was, I was playing with Alluvium and Star Atlas and Phantom Galaxies and there's a lot of games coming out that really got me excited that that was more the world that I played in. I had some NFTs that, you know, have some utility. I think actually one of the first NFTs I had was the Blockchain Heroes NFTs that, that Joel sent me, co host Joe. That was one of our first entries into the NFT world. And I still hold all of those as well. So I still have those.

There's Joel and I back there, there's our little NFT where I was fighting sooth and say, there we are.

Yeah, yeah. Which I'll release this little tidbit for the first time to those who are paying attention. There may be a blockchain heroes game on the way. Anyhow, that's all I'll say about that.

By the way, by the way, I realize what the term is. It's active inference. So it's like artificial intelligence versus active inference. And I did use chat GPT and it says active inference is a theoretical framework that is used in the fields of neuroscience, cognitive science and AI. It is based on the premise that living organisms, including humans, and by extensions, AI systems, act to minimize the difference between their expectations and sensory input. In other words, they act to reduce the uncertainty about their environment based on their internal model of the world. So it's like that's kind of what versus is is. It's using active inference, where it's that framework for things versus just artificial intelligence, which can be all these large language models or any of these other things that's doing. It's sort of the framework behind it all, which is one of the terms that they use. But I couldn't find it on their.

Website and it's still AI. It's an acronym. So. Yeah, and be like, no, I didn't mean artificial intelligence. I mean active inference.

Matt, if you want to use this one instead, you can. The astounding cyberspace savant, prodigy of technological exploits, virtuoso of AI's delights, and grand poobah of digital discovery.

Yeah, that one's got a better ring to it. I think. I like that one better.

Grand Poob AI.

It rolls off the tongue better.

So do you, are you like us? Do you just kind of roll with it and whatever happens, whatever opportunities open up, you explore, or do you have like a master plan for what you want to do and where you're going?

I would say it's sort of somewhere in between. Right. I, I, I sort of roll with it on a daily basis as far as like, longer term, I kind of know where I want to end up, you know, future tools. It is, it is something that in the future I see probably exiting. When I built it, I didn't. Right. It was just a sort of weekend project, but I've actually already had people reach out, ask if I'd be interested in selling it. So now it sort of is in the back of my mind that maybe I'll, you know, two years from now that will be sort of my retirement, if I do decide to sell it. But, you know, I really, I, I love just creating content, right? I love finding new. I, I'm a gadget guy. I buy every gadget that comes out. I've got drones, I've got VR headsets, I've got AR headsets, I've got, I buy everything, right? I'm going to get an Apple Vision Pro. And so I think over time, my channel on YouTube may sort of evolve into more tech with an AI leaning focus. But, you know, I, I, I sort of aspire to be like a Marques Brownlee, you know, sort of crossed with corridor crew. Like, that's sort of my vision for where I want to take this.

Have you ever thought of writing a book? It seems to me if you, if you have already, you may have, I don't know. Have you written a book?

I wrote a book on WordPress already.

Yeah, I wrote a book on WordPress years and years and years ago, you know, but that was, that was before I had AI to assist me with writing a book.

Yeah, I mean, it seems like you're the guy who could probably, with, with the popularity of the site and the offers that you're already getting, you could probably become an even more powerful voice in the AI space. With a book.

Yeah, definitely something that I've thought about it. In fact, what I would, the angle I'd probably approach it as is there was this really good book in the marketing world called, oh, shoot, what's it called? But it was by this guy, Joel Calm, and it was like the history of, like, the digital marketing world to, like, where it was when the book was, was written.

Click here to order. Click Here to Order. It was called Click Here to Order.

I actually have it on my bookshelf, but I was just drawing, I was thinking of, like, that kind of idea, but for AI space of almost like sort of a retelling of the story of AI. I just got to figure out at what point do I feel it's right to tell this story at a point where, like, the history makes the most sense.

You know what? Let's have this conversation offline. I've got the publisher for you and I could help, I could help make this happen for you.

Yeah, that'd be great. That is something that I've thought about doing because that is one way I see the YouTube channel is. You know, a lot of people ask, okay, you're making news videos. There's not a lot of longevity to that. But I almost see the YouTube channel is like this time capsule of AI. You can go back to this channel two years from now and see at any date, like, here's what was going on in the AI world at that time. And so a book would probably follow that sort of same logic.

Here's the beautiful thing about answering the question of when to do it immediately. Because one of the things that most authors don't have is the hook to, to build the relationship with the reader and keep them coming back. Yours is built in. You want to know what's next. You have to come here to the site to keep getting your updates. This is where, this is where your future chapters are all at.

That's true. And actually you could do something with like a book IO, like with what I'm doing with the project and release it a chapter at a time. Right. You don't have to release the whole book anymore. And this is the first time that it's been done through that platform. And actually as an nft, as a book by the chapter, which is a really fun, unique kind of a thing to do, I thought I was like, dude, Charles Dickens did this back in the day and nobody else has released a book by the chapter. And it's like as you sort of, you know, finish up one and go, all right, I'm done with this one. You don't have to wait six months until the whole book is done. You're like, boom. You drop that and you build that community out as you go. Now this is bad crypto, by the way. And so I want to, I want to tap into your brain because one of the things that, that Joel and I have been thinking about and talking about is, dude, AI plus some crypto related projects. There's going to be a couple of them that just go cat, that just go stratospheric sort of baboon like. And I, you know, I look at it, I go, is it twin protocol? Because they're doing the digital twin stuff and I've been chatting with those guys, they're doing some cool stuff. There's some other potential AI and crypto things. Like what are some of the things or maybe how is it that you're looking at it that maybe other people can do their own research to maybe find something that's AI and crypto related for them?

Yeah, I mean, I don't know a lot about the, you know, what's going on with the crossover of AI in crypto, but I do know that there is, there's a need for that sort of. I'm drawing a Blank on the term. But like, people are creating a lot of really, really cool stuff with AI, but they need to be able to put it on the blockchain to sort of verify the ownership of it. And so I think, I think there is a need for the sort of crossover of blockchain and AI for creators in the very least, where you create stuff and then you put it on the blockchain. I know Mid Journey, right? The very popular art tool they. When they first started launching Midjourney, one of the things that they did when they first started was almost like every piece of art that they were generating, they were putting it on OpenSea for people to purchase early art that was made from midjourney. So you can actually get on OpenSea and find some of the earliest stuff that Midjourney ever generated internally.

They were working on it internally and then they said, hey, we did. Oh, wow, okay.

Yeah, Midjourney themselves. The founder is David Holtz. He. He was basically running like an OpenSea account where he was taking some of the first art to ever come out of Mid Journey and put it on there. So I do think there's a need for that also. Coming back to the gaming space, I felt like for the longest time that blockchain and gaming were just like this match made in heaven. I still believe that. I think that having digital asset ownership for games is really, really a great use case for all of the use cases of blockchain. I still think gaming is one of the easiest to grasp, one of the easiest to understand. If you earn an item in a game that took you 100 hours to earn that item, you know, put it on the blockchain and then let me like resell that item to somebody else if I want to, or, you know, let me, let me hang it in my Metaverse bedroom so other people can see it. I really believe that gaming crossover is there and, you know, there's platforms out there like Ready Player Me, that allow you to create your own avatar for the metaverse that's your own look alike that you can then mint on the blockchain. So it's yours, it's only you. So that's sort of where my head tends to go when it comes to blockchain. I think the stuff that I've sort of soured to over the years when it comes to crypto is the very sort of like financial quick riches, make a lot of money really fast by buying and selling coins. A lot of that kind of narrative. I used to be a lot more into it. I Used to trade a lot of coins. I used to do a lot of stuff with the Defi world and I got burnt on so many different projects in the Defi world that a lot of that stuff I've sort of soured to over the years. But I still see that crossover of like gaming and blockchain being like just that perfect marriage, in my opinion.

You're, you're completely right. We're building. We've got multiple things happening in the gaming space. We're definitely not giving up. A lot of, you know, a lot of people have given up, especially during the bear market. And you know, my son Zach with Draco Dice, he has persisted and we are so close to releasing the game that he promised, he refused to stop because he promised people who bought these NFTs that they were going to get these games. And so, you know, we're working on that. We're working on the Blockchain Heroes game. And imagine this, Matt, the time and the future where you earn this item in a game. And whether it's through a platform that it can cross over to other games or whether it's through the manufacturer, that, that, that sword that you earned in game A can also. You have the NFT that automatically triggers it to be able to be used in game B, C, D, E and add infinitum. So now if you get done playing a game or they retire that game, that item that you have lives on and that's, that's value. And that is going to happen. It's just a matter of time, take.

Your map or even the source of Zelda over somewhere else, be like, yeah, kill something over here.

Or even that sort of like crossover collaboration where maybe it's not that sword, but anybody who owns this sword gets X special item in this game. Right. Where it can look at your wallet and see, oh, you have that sword. Well, because you have that sword, you now get this item in this game. Right. So I can verify that you have that thing and give you this thing. So not, not, not only just being able to bring that item over, but the sort of verification that you own this item so that you can get this item in this game, that's like marketing.

That's like a. That's like a great sort of a PR thing. It's like, dude, I know that this guy over here spent 100 hours to get this particular item. This is a power user that we want on our platform. Yeah. And so finding a way to sort of cross pollinate that, it makes a lot of sense.

Exactly.

Yep, for sure. Well, hey Matt, we really appreciate you coming in and taking your time with us today. The website Matt Wolf with an E on the end is where you want to go. And of course Chat GPT has given us all kinds of great titles for him. Matt Wolf, the ineffable oracle of technological delights, sovereign of AI's vast dominion and sultan of innovations, magnificence. That's you, Matt. Thanks for, for joining us today. We really appreciate it.

Yeah, thanks for having me. It's been so much fun. Love the show.

A whole new world, a whole new life. AI is blowing up and I don't know what the.

What do you do?

What is what, why it's a whole new world, man. The world has changed so much. Like literally when we started Bad Crypto six years ago, bro, seriously. And we're going, okay, crypto is a new. And then like look at where we are now. Can you even imagine six years from now, like where things are going to be like it. It's mind boggling to me.

Yeah, Matt's Matt was great, really fun talking to him and, and I am in conversation with Dan Mapes to get him from verses like dudes, once he comes on the show he is going to blow our minds. He provides so much depth in where the technology is going and more than that, he is so optimistic about the future because of the technology that they've built. And when you just, you're not going to be able to come away from this interview and not feel optimistic. So that's coming soon. I just messaged him again and hoping that he'll schedule something with us shortly. Meanwhile, we promised you guys an NFT as we speak. Matt Wolf is working on something unique that we are going to deliver to you guys through the Bad Crypto Network at Bad Crypto Uncut FM and the nft. If you already hold a Bad Crypto Nifty Club membership card like you see here on the screen, that's spinny. You're going to get this as an airdrop for free and we're going to do that a few days after this episode releases. If you don't have one of these and you want to go to bad crypto.uncut FM or uncut.network, they're both lead to the same place now and pick one of these up we for the bargain basement price of 002 ETH which translates currently to 3.47 and then you'll be in the community with 643 other members and this is going to Be a cool NFT because Matt himself is going to create it and he does badass stuff.

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