This $42/mo AI Tool Is Powering Million Dollar Memes

Welcome to the Next Wave. I'm your host, Nathan Lands, and today we have a great episode for you. Today we've got Jason Levin on the show, one of my favorite people in tech. Jason has a reputation in Silicon Valley of ghost writing viral content for some of the top people on X. Now he's created Memelord, which is basically software for making memes at scale with the help of AI. Most people think memes are just jokes, but in today's world, where everything is PC and bland, memes, in my opinion, are the most underestimated form of marketing that really more people should be using to grow their business or personal brand. So by the end of today's episode, you're going to know everything you need to know to start creating memes and go viral. So let's get right into it. Jason, thanks for coming on here, dude.

It is a pleasure. The first podcast post raise. Excited to be here?

Yeah, we've been talking about it for a while, and then I saw, like, you know, you were going viral on X a few weeks back. I mean, it's already over a month ago about stuff with Andrew Cuomo using a. I guess a meme from you or something. I don't know. There was some debate about it. I would love to learn more, like. But, you know, it was going all over X for. For a while.

Everybody wants to know. So basically, I got introduced to Cuomo's team from another founder. I get the introduction, I meet the marketing team, we jump on a call, we start, you know, yapping. The marketer is basically like, ex founder, ex Silicon Valley guy, now into politics. And he just says, send me memes. And I'm like, okay. So I pull up my software, meme lord.com memoir technologies, right? And just hack away memes, two minutes and send them over. And, you know, they start laughing like, you know, I'm not in a chat with Cuomo or anything, right? It's the team. They start laughing, giggling, and saying, all right, we're going to post it. I'm like, no, you're not. You know, they're not actually going to post it on Andrew Cuomo's account. That'd be crazy. So I go to bed, wake up the next morning, meme is on the account. It's going viral. 45,000 views in the first hour. It's going nuts, right? It's just a simple one. It says, hear me out. A mayor that has had a job before, right? Just a dig on Zo Run. You know, I was doing this for free, so Cuomo invites me to a fundraiser. I get, you know, we get to talk about the meme and stuff. I talk with the team about marketing. I write the post, and it goes absolutely bonkers. You know, 7 million views, 7 plus hit pieces, rolling Stone, everything. And in the middle of that, that whole week, I was in the middle of raising more money. So it was the craziest week of my life. Seven hit pieces, almost $2 million in the bank. They literally profiled my memes in Rolling Stone, in Politico, City and State. You know, it was a great week. It was fantastic for business. You know, the entire week, this is the first time I'm talking publicly about it. I've been saving it. But the entire week it was basically, hit piece, death threat, investor call. More money. Hit piece, death threat, investor call. Hit piece, investor call. I'm sharing my screen of these hit pieces.

Well, because it just shows the power of memes, right? It shows that, like, people care about this stuff, and it actually drives culture disorders, dude.

That's. That's the power of memes. Yeah.

You wrote a book on the topic. Like, memes make millions or something like this.

So I wrote the book three years ago outlining my thesis. Basically, attention spans are going down, ChatGPT is going up. People are bored as hell, and you need to entertain them and be funny. And so I bet my entire career on humor and. And getting attention, being funnier than AI ever can be. And if you watch our launch video, I assure you that that will be the case. And so I wrote this book. Basically, I just followed my own curiosity here, which is great advice for anybody listening, is just follow your curiosity and follow your play. I was very curious, who runs these meme pages? How do they make money? And what I found was all these different strategies of, you know, these kids who are running these pages, adults, whoever, who are making millions. And so that was three years ago. And during that process of writing the book, it was almost like, you know, Google guys, they, you know, some. Some founders go do a PhD in AI. That was my PhD in memetics in marketing. And then I used that to go, you know, build my next software or build my software. Right. I found all the problems from interviewing all these different meme lords. I built my own software, and then I raised the money, so I had the thesis, and that's become a rallying cry for. For our entire community, is memes make millions. So, yeah, it's. It was a transformational experience, for sure.

Yeah. And then I guess you. You recently are. Are you able to talk about that? You raised around. Are you. Are you announcing that yet or.

We raised $3 million, led by Slow Ventures Sam. Lesson is, you know, wrote us. Wrote us a big check.

Meta guy, right? Meta guy.

Yeah. Yeah. Ex Facebook with support from Unpopular Ventures. Biology, Serena Boston, Cyan Bannister over at Long Journey Ventures. A bunch more. Nathan was kind enough to invest that.

Yeah, I did.

Yeah. Probably disclose that as well. And, you know, I wasn't sure, to be honest with you.

You sounded a little bit crazy. You know, to be quite honest with you.

I was like, that's the point, man.

Speech. I do think that memes are important. And I kind of pinged Cyan, and she was like, yeah, support freedom of speech. You're like, yeah, I do. So let's do it. And fantastic.

So I was. I was just on. On the phone with Cyan this morning. There's a piece coming out about me in the Free Press. So they just interviewed her, you know, if we want to talk freedom of speech. Super important right now. And so, yeah, that is. Humor's the last frontier, man. You see it all around us as comedians getting canceled. Me in Rolling Stone for memes. Like, they used to write about rock stars, man. I'm just some dumb founder who makes memes, right? Like, yeah, you know, it's. It's crazy. And so they're. They're trying to come for us, and both sides, really, honestly, is like, everybody just wants clicks, right? You know, by the time the clicks were done about me, they just moved on. And that's the power of memes, and that's the power of the. The. As I wrote in my book, right? You got to capitalize on the current thing. For 48 hours, I was the current thing. So journalists capitalized on me and maybe made 12 bucks in AdSense or whatever. But I mean. I mean. I mean, we care.

We care about freedom of speech. Maybe some listeners are like, maybe like, yeah, I care, but I care more about, you know, how I can use this in my business or how I can make money.

Ye.

Like, you know, what are your thoughts on how businesses can be using memes more effectively?

Yeah, I think the best way to do that would be a little demo. Is that cool?

Yeah, let's just jump into it. I think it makes sense here.

You can see our software on the left side. We upload all the newest trending memes, right? These are getting uploaded all throughout the day. We're scanning the Internet, and you can see examples of how they're actually being used Right, So here is, you know, that autism announcement one, and, you know, different, different Meme Lords posting the content and we show examples, and from there it's very easy to then go edit it. Right? So this meme of Alex Carp was going super viral. I just did a quick little face swap, right? Face swap myself into here. And I said, hey, founder of Palantir.

For anyone who's not familiar.

Yeah, yeah, founder of Palantir. And so here's. Here's one earlier that I was just making is like, this was a meta ray ban that was getting turned into a meme, right? Their. Their new model. And I just say, right click, you know, switch the holograph on a lens with a Red Bull. So we'll try, like, switch the holograph on lens with the Duolingo logo. Let's see what happens if. If the AI decides to allow that copyright. But you see here, it worked with Red Bull, right? And so you could do this with any brand, with any idea, and tailor memes towards your business. And so the most powerful thing, really. Here we go. So now you could kind of imagine, hey, this is what Duolingo, you know, an app would look like. If you're able to actually go talk.

To people, they could put it on LinkedIn or whatever and, like, make a joke about it and.

Yeah, exactly. And so what's so cool about Memelord is like, we have all the newest trending memes that you could just tailor to your business and how it works, right? So this could have a hundred different things. It's like, you know, the sales manager, you know, meeting with the client who spurned him. Right? Or maybe it's like, you know, the VC meeting with like, the, you know, the founder who he. He invested it in and then like, ghosted. Right.

Exactly, exactly. And so you could just like, easily add text here and just be like, V and, you know, just. Just screw around there a little bit. And it's just very easy to do. And so, you know, we can. You could kind of just have fun with it however you want. Like, when you were changing the images.

Like adding the logos and stuff, was that using Nano Banana or something like that?

Or like, that was, dude. So Nano Banana, I am very, very a huge fan of that. And so Nano Banana, we use that a ton. We also use Veo a ton as well for video. But really, like, there's a hundred different ways you can. You can do it, right? And so you can see here, like, just something I was making with, you know, Meme Lords, it's the Angry Birds hitting this thing and you could just say like, you know, Nano Banana, right? Like just making memes on the spot. Nano Banana, like crushing chatgpt, right? Or like, because we were, we were actually using ChatGPT's image model and now Nano Banana is better. Right. And like, as an AI founder, Google's.

Model, by the way, for anyone who does it is not familiar with.

Yeah, yeah, it's, it's incredible. It's sick. And then we have a lot more than that as well. We also just have straight up a magic meme generator where all you have to do is say, like, AI startups and it actually just like generates memes on the spot. And so there's so many ways you could do it.

Yeah, it's, it's, it's actually pretty, pretty impressive. Like, let's try another venture capital. VC is so easy to make fun of if you're a founder and you want cloud on Twitter. Easiest way.

I mean, I mean, can this just lead to like a huge like, you know, AI slop kind of problem though? Like, people mass generate like 10,000, like schedule them all for like, you know, 10 years.

Yeah, yeah. So I have a base take on this, which is I don't think memes are slop. I think they are hidden truths. And, you know, there's good ones and bad ones. Sure, you can make some quick slop and some people want that. Some people, you know, if they're running 20 accounts, you need to just throw out some stuff. But I think memes show hidden truths just like a good joke. And you know, the same way people used to watch Seinfeld or comedy shows, like, memes are just little clips. And so what we're able to actually do is, is turn these whole things into, into mini movies as well and, and entire clips and I'll, you know, our entire launch video was made on Memelord. And so we literally have made, are making, you know, straight up movies on meme. Lord. Like, I could show you here like, you know, little things, right? And then we combine them into entire videos. Here's another generation that I did for, for tech Twitter out here, right? So yeah, there's, there's a ton of different ways, right? Like here my wife works for a calendaring company called Howie, so I use this as a tweet on her launch video. And I said, hey, book me a date with my wife. Right? And so like, it's just endless options. It's really your, your imagination is, is really the only limit here is of what you can do. Look, I've been testing a for years now, and here's what I've learned. The brands that are crushing it at content aren't just throwing prompts at ChatGPT and hoping for the best. They've actually got systems. And HubSpot just dropped 20 prompts that walk you through the exact four stage workflow top brands are using for their content across ideation, creation, distribution and optimization. These are actual prompts that will help you scale authentic content while keeping that human edge. You can get it right. Now scan the QR code or click that link in the description. All right, now let's get back to the show.

Yeah, I feel like a lot of companies are kind of like scared to do memes or to do jokes.

Yeah.

You know, but one thing I mean, I think people should think about is, I mean, now the White House is putting out memes, whether you like, you know, the current administration or not. Like, that obviously shows the power if they're actually using memes on the official White House Twitter account. Right. And for a long time, Elon Musk has been a huge fan of memes. You know, and again, whether you like him or not, like, he's like, probably the best businessman of our generation. So if he's using memes, you probably should be taking, you know, noticing that 100%.

I mean, Musk was the one who said, like, who controls the memes controls the universe. And, you know, he's 100% right. If you control the ideas, you can control a conversation and influence it. And ideas are upstream of action. And if you're able to actually influence people's idea ideas, you can influence their actions. And that's what Meme Lord is really about, is it's a memetic warfare software. And so somebody's, you know, a founder out here trying to start a vibe coding revolution. Right. They want to, you know, build that. Right. You could go do that. Right. We've worked with a bunch of vibe coding startups. All of them, actually. Every single one, basically, from Lovable to Bolt to Vibe codes, literally. Or if you're an HR company, you can do that. If you are Defense, you can spread your ideas with memes.

Yeah, I mean, actually there's like some crazy connection with this show to memes, because, like, when we first started it, I was trying to figure out who were gonna be the great first guests that were gonna come on when we, when we first launched the show, like a year and a half now ago now. And the one of the first guests was Aravind Seren Perplexity. And so Aravind used to interact with a lot of my memes. I used to do a lot more memes I'm not doing. I haven't been doing many recently, but I used to do a lot of memes about AI. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And Elon Musk, we interact with him. I think he. He responded to like 6 or 7 of my memes. And then Aravin followed me because of that and started sending me memes privately, you know, in dms. And then that's how I got Arin on the show. So, like, shows like, yeah, you could actually build real businesses using humor. Because I probably would have never got him on the show without doing that.

There's so many examples of this, it's not even funny. Like, of clients I've gotten, I got $30,000 brand sponsor because I made a meme one time of their competitor and then they hit me up. Like they're just endless examples of this, which sounds absurd.

I think things are just so generic these days. So like anything that cuts through that actually grabs people attention. Like you said, it's harder to grab people's attention. So if they resonate with a joke and it's very simple that that just cuts through things, whereas just everything else is so generic that people just kind of forget about it, you know, a minute later.

Dude, 100%. And so I want to. I want to show you this as well is if I could. Hopefully it'll capture both demos. But so what I was saying earlier is you can turn all your memes into movies as well. And so thanks to the power of Veo, you could actually like, turn your videos or turn your scenes. Like I made this entire scene on Meme Lord, right? And I turned this whole thing into, you know, different videos, right? And you're able to combine this just as simple as, you know, actually just making them talk, right? And then adding your voice. And this is all in our software. I just say, you know, image to video and, you know, make mean. Let's. Let's try this one, all right? Make man play piano and maybe smoke a cigarette, right? And it'll be.

Young marketing geniuses are going to make a fortune using this.

Dude, we. We are having fun, right? And like, you know, we. We made it super cheap for users to be able to do this. They could always buy more credits very, very easily as well. And so, like, it's just so much fun. Like, this has been. I don't know how much you know about my past You've. You, you. I know.

Yeah.

Dude, this is literally 20 years of culmination, which sounds crazy, but I'm 27 and like, I had a flashback when I was making all this to, like, being 7 years old and, like, drawing cartoons and like, you know, in, in my, I would make these different characters straight up if. And, and think about how I'd, like, turn it into a show. And now, like, I'm actually able to do that and give that power to my users as well. And so, like, we, we made our entire launch video and I don't, I don't want to show too much here, but on Memeloid, where I was in here, I'm in my own software eight to ten hours a day. And it's the happiest time of my life of just, just making stuff. Right? All right, here we go. So we've got, got this video. It just already arrived. And like, you can see here, like.

Like this.

What do you do?

This would cost tens of thousands of dollars to do, like, if you hire an animator. And so what you're able to do is then, you know, so many people are just doing these little clips. It's like, no, we actually built a video editor so you can combine the clips, think about this melody into a movie, right? And so you're able to actually build a scene. Like, I'm doing this on the spot, right? And you take enough of these clips and, and you actually have a, you know, a whole thing, right? And so you say, all right, let's start him on the piano. And maybe, you know what, we want to add a little filter, like, you know, make it a different color or something. We could do that. Like, there's just endless opportunity to, like, fuck around and find out essentially, and make whatever. And I think, like, I don't know, man. I, I, you know, the slop conversation is interesting, but I think there's so much fun to be had with AI. I feel really bad for the people that are so anti AI that they, they don't even have fun, right? Like, this has been the most fun time of my life is making crazy stuff that I wouldn't be able to do beforehand. And so, like, I imagine.

The next. Yeah, yeah, I see this as the next Family Guy. Like, that's where, that's, that's why Cyan invested was literally like, she, she's like, this is where the next south park will be made, right? And so, you know, that's, that's my dream is, is to give that creative tools to young kids. Out there. You know, I grew up making YouTube videos when I was 7 years old, 10 years old, going to a video editing camp. And I always dreamed of, of, of making movies and stuff. And it's very hard to do that as, as a one person and if you're one kid with no connections. I was born in Bumfuck, Pennsylvania. You know, like, you can't do that. And so now thanks to the Internet, you can. And that's, that's really the goal here is, is give anybody the ability not just to make memes, not just to go viral, but actually like really make movies and, and break through the noise and make beautiful creations. And our team is going to lead the way doing that first.

So that's awesome. That's exciting. I don't know if you, I don't, I don't know if you know the, you know, some of the backstory with me owning lore.com. i mean, actually, so I originally, I was involved in crypto pretty early on, and then a friend connected me to Barry Osborne, the producer of Lord of the Rings and the Matrix, and we tried to actually create a movie studio together. So, like, I like spent a bunch of time. I went to the set of Mulan several times. I was going back and forth between New Zealand and Hollywood and, and the more I looked into, I was like, man, the film business is absolutely horrible. It's like, it's like it costs so much money to make anything. And so obviously you can't be creative at all because you have to just follow a proven template that, you know, with financial models behind it, where you can show that, yes, people love, you know, X Men or whatever or make another X Men film. It feels like stuff like this creativity. Yeah.

The amount of fun that we are having, I'm. I'm grabbing a image right now to show you, like, it's just absolutely like so much fun. Like, so I made this in Meme Lord earlier, right? It's just a cop chasing my little character, right? It's like, all right, let's cop chasing bad guy. And let's say maybe he like, and picks up the cash and steals it.

Let's see.

He takes a bag and he's running. Exactly. Dude. It's so much fun. It's so addicting. And like, I think my biggest piece of advice for people making AI videos or AI art at all is just be grateful. Be grateful if you get an eight second video, if two seconds are good, you can then combine that enough times, right? You're saving so much time and Money. Just be grateful. Like so many people are like, oh, this eight second video isn't perfect. It's like, no, like it never is. Like, that's why movie studios film 30 hours and then only put one hour. Right? And that's. Yeah, that's low. Right. That's why Prince had hundreds of thousands of songs and Mac Miller died with, you know, albums, right? Albums and albums unreleased. Like, that's the point of art. Like, people think that I write a lot on Twitter and there's a lot more that I don't post. Right. Like, that's the point is to, is to cut down. So, yeah, my advice if you're making AI movies is be grateful if you get a couple good seconds, a few, three, four good seconds, it'll never be perfect. That's just making movies. That's reality of making art. And so cut it up and then use your taste and skill. It takes a lot of hard work still. Like, this has been the most locked in period of my life. Like, let's, let's see how this, let's see how this baby turned out. It's so much fun.

See, does he grab the cash?

Oh, all right, so he already had the cash. Right. But you can imagine, like, you could kind of split this up.

It's pretty solid. Exactly, exactly. Like, it's never perfect. And that's what's cool too is you just like if you want to just regenerate it, something. A really fun feature that I think we did is we just show you recent prompts and all you have to do is just press, press it again right? And, and then just basically like if you want to tailor the prompt a little, but like you just press generate video and you get to do it again. And so, you know, AI, I tweeted this the other day, or I tweeted this maybe it was today. It was like, you remember, like those video games where you'd blow on it to try again. Like, that's what AI is half the time right now. It's like, by the way, it's like, please try again.

Japan. I was curious if that was an America only thing. I was like, I asked my wife, you're like, no, they did that in Japan too, you know, with the famicon games. They were, they were blowing on them as well here in Japan.

That's so funny. That's so funny. But yeah, man, it's, it's, it's absolutely crazy, like the stuff you can make today. And I'm really excited for, for people to try out the Software, you know, I built the first version by myself. I don't know how to code and I built it with no code, a tool called Bubble and grew it to, you know, 100k ARR myself in nine months before I raised. And so now we actually have engineers, we have money, and now people get, you know, people already loved it. And so now we get to really.

The design aesthetic is very. It's almost like Windows 95 or something like this.

I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. It's basically the way that, the way that my engineer described it is it's Windows 95 on Jason's drugs or whatever. So here you can see, like, Meme Lord is the new Hollywood, right? So let's say, like, man, saying Meme Lord is the new Hollywood and taking a puff of a cigarette and we'll see how that goes. So this is, yeah, basically, like, I don't know, man, I'm just excited for people to try this thing. See the crazy stuff. That's the craziest part about building creative, weird software is seeing what others create. You never expected, like, is.

I mean, I mean, do you imagine that it's mostly gonna be individuals using Meme Lord?

So people are always surprised. It is mostly businesses, or at least creators and entrepreneurs who are trying to build their business. But we have CMOs at some of the fastest growing companies. We also have public companies literally using our software. It sounds crazy, but it's B2B meme sass.

And yeah, I think you heard, I think, I think you described it as like the Palantir of memes, or maybe somebody else did.

Exactly, exactly.

Of mimetic warfare, probably. Like, what does that mean? And is that like kind of the business model? It's kind of like a Palantir where you got like technology and services.

Yeah, yeah. Let's. Let's see how this is the new. All right, it worked. Let's go. And so, yeah, the way that I see Palantir for memes is essentially it's both software and services. We really just do services with big companies now public companies and soon to be public companies as well as, you know, government projects. And then we have the software. Right, which, which mostly brands use. And you know, at first I started as a joke saying it was Palantir for memes, but I was literally a Palantir last week. Right. And you know, at their office they could invest and they're going to give.

You some advice or.

Uh, we'll see, we'll see. You know, I, I love Valenter. I. I Think they're doing super important work and big, big fan of Lonsdale and the whole team. So. But you know, it's at the end of the day, like what we're trying to do is, is super important. It's, it's not just silliness, it's not just make people laugh, but it's, it's idea warfare and it's getting rid of bad ideas and, and fighting for the good ideas in the world and, and hopefully the market decides and people make crazy stuff and, and have fun and, and push their ideas. You know, we've got everybody from, like I said, you know, we, we have clients or customers who are, you know, health food people. Right. One, one of our customers runs a dried mango company. He makes mango memes. Right. But then we also have companies who are, you know, hundred billion dollar companies or whatever that are using our software. And so it's, it's the whole gambit, whatever ideas somebody wants to promote into the world or you know, spread. They could use me more to do that. Yeah.

For anyone who's listening, like what's your, I mean you've kind of already, you already done the pitch really. But what would be your pitch to a listener of like why they should use Meme Lord if they're a business owner?

Yeah, I would say you can stay on top of the hottest trends faster than anybody. We are scanning the Internet all the time. So the second Trump says something memeable, the second that there's something in sporting something in technology, anytime there's a big event, you could, you, you know first. Right. Like memes aren't just silly images and JPEGs, they are actual narratives. And if you want to jump on some of the trending narratives and stay on top of that, you can be a Meme Lord. Right. Like we have very high up PR type people, right, who are using it all the time because they want to understand what's going on in the world. Marketers, founders, whoever, they want to understand the narratives. And so once you get those narratives and you understand what's going on, you can then tailor it towards your business. However it is. Memes can be applied anywhere. Right. The same meme could be used in E commerce, tech, finance, you know, only fans, whatever it might be, we, we've got it all. And that's the beautiful thing about memes is, is at the end of the day, like Meme Lord, all it is is just a funny marketing business. And funny marketing has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's, I Wish I invented funny marketing, but I didn't. You know, they were, they were doing funny ads in the newspaper 300, 400 years ago. So if you want to, you know, leverage funny marketing as one of the tools in your tool belt, Memelord is the company for you. There's plenty of other marketing tools. We're not the SEO tool, you know, we're, we're the funny marketing tool. And it's becoming more and more important in the age where anybody could build anything, but it's harder and harder to get attention. You got to stand out.

Cool.

That would be the pitch. Yeah, it's a good pitch.

It's a good pitch.

I appreciate it, man. I appreciate it. It seems to be doing good. I'm curious on your end what you've been seeing on the, on the AI front these days. I feel like there's a new model every day. Are there any, any that's been super fun?

There's like, model fatigue is setting in. You know, it's like there's, there's always a new model and it's someone who's, you know, before the podcast, I was covering all of it on, on Twitter X, you know, for like, I guess the last three years now, you know, GPT5 is amazing. I'm excited about it. But you know, it's like, okay, something came out and it's slightly better. I'm, yeah, I'm more and more getting interested in like, okay, what can you actually do with the models? Ver just like, oh, the model's slightly more intelligent.

100% man. Like, I think model fatigue is, is a really good word. I think a lot of people are feeling that, you know, every day there's just a new model that like, should we integrate this? Should we not integrate this? And like, you know, that's why, you know, we use a bunch of different models from, you know, from foul because they, they're like a, you know, model hub for a lot of stuff. So, you know, it makes it a lot easier to do that, I think. But yeah, I, it's crazy. I would, it's, it must be really weird being one of these companies right now. And at the same time you're building a 10 billion dollar trillion dollar business, but at the same time you also have no moat and like people are just coming for your throats and switching.

Yeah, it's becoming the second. There's, it's a compute or as well. Right, which is, yeah, that, that, that is where I am like slightly, you know, I, I, I think that Elms has an advantage that people don't understand because I've actually been, I don't think I've told you this, but I'm getting, I'm. I'm possibly getting involved in data centers and possibly acquiring data centers and whatnot. And the. It's a very hard business. And like, especially like building data centers right now, like the weight on some of the stuff you need to build a data center, some of it's like three to five years, especially for anything like power related. And so that's where like, you know, someone like Elon Musk who's like good in the physical world and good with power and batteries has an advantage. I think most people are not, you know, thinking about.

Yeah. And it seems like a bigger and bigger raising money game. I mean Sam just looked like raised $100 billion from the like numbers are just fake at this point. It's crazy.

What if we get. They may be. I think that's what some of these people actually realizing, like, you know, you do want to win, you know, because if you don't, it doesn't matter. Anyways. So.

Yeah, I was talking to one of our investors, Ariel Zuckerberg, about how Mark is thinking about this stuff. Right. I was at an investor retreat with her a few, few weeks ago and it was really cool. She was just saying like he is such a wartime CEO because like all these rumors were coming out about how he's giving these big offers and she's like, when he feels behind, he goes crazy. Just like works so hard.

Well, yeah, because with AI, like Facebook and Instagram could become pointless in the future. Like you might not even need them. The, the whole interface may change in the future because AI so like you.

You got, you gotta, you gotta win this. And what I, what I think is also really cool is just like, yes.

There is, you know, this, this AGI coming, whatever. Like who, who knows? Who, who really knows what that means. But at the same time, like, I think what we're all realizing is like, we have a lot more hope. Hopefully we'll have a lot more time to create and make cool stuff. And you know, I, I'm, I'm personally very excited about that.

When I first invested in your company, I started watching your, your silly Valley episodes on YouTube. I know you stopped doing that, I think, or at least put it on hiatus for now. But like why do you, why were you doing that? Like, what was that about? And like how did that get started?

Yeah, so I believe like software is the future of content and that's kind of an expression of that. So every episode we just built something really fast. And so the first one was called Duo, which was Duolingo for cursing. And we, we did this.

You like when pitched it's New York VCs and stuff like that pitch to.

VCS, did a whole viral campaign and then we, we pretended to vibe code Palantir which like you know you could vibe code very simple apps. You can't vibe code Palantir we found out. Right. And, and you know software is content. It's getting easier and easier to make software and I thought, I think there's, there's something fun about that in a, in a show format and we're still going to be doing a bunch of shows and silly stuff. Really. Just like during the race what happened was I just got way too busy to be filming every week.

Yeah, I was like, I was like well these episodes are like pretty well put together. Dude.

It's a lot. I was worried about you. I was like it's a lot of work. I mean but you know we're, we're going to try to be getting back on, on these as, as we scale out the team but at the end of the day we gotta, we gotta focus on the software business.

But yeah, I mean you probably could put like like one good episode a month or something and just like really.

That'S what we're thinking, that's what, that's what we're thinking. And focus on the short form videos as like the daily faster ones and then you know, one, one banger a month and you know, focus on behind the scenes of running a meme company and I'm starting to do that now more. And so another reason around Silly Valley was like at first we were getting sponsors for it and so once we like raised money we're like why are we getting all these? You know, let's just focus on making videos about our company. And so that was also the reason was like let's just you know, focus on making this about meme Lord.

Yeah, that is what I was wondering. Like okay, like VC backed startup. You're like making revenue off of YouTube sponsorships.

Yeah. 100 which it was great for reducing burn for a while but now it's not as necessary with a female in the bank. So yeah, definitely. Nice.

So yeah, so with a few million in the banks like what's, what's next?

Yeah, so what's next is we build Melod into premier place to make movies. And you know all these people are thinking too Small, in my opinion. They're. They're trying to build apps for, for TikToks. And I'm, I'm trying to build movies, man. Like, that's, that's what we want is, is real, real software to build movies and start movements. And so to do that, one of the big reasons we raised was to, to help make it cheaper for users to, you know, create movies and videos. And so we'll be.

When you say movies, I mean, do you mean like, for, like any purpose, like whether it's entertainment or education or marketing or.100%.

So, so meme Lord, like, you can edit. You could upload videos of yourself. You can, you know, a movie studio could upload videos. Like, you know, a kid in India can animate something. It could be used for anything the same way that, you know, Final Cut or Adobe Premiere can be used. And it's, it's cheap enough at the $42 a month price range that, that anybody could use it. And, and, and really, you know, memes are the gateway drug into making movies. You know, memes are the silliness. They are. They're the, the cultural, the smallest unit of cultural transmission. But, but the bigger picture is, is to make movies and movements. And, and there's a reason, you know, that's, that's what we're going after.

That makes sense to me. I think. I mean, I think because of AI, work's really going to change and people are going to want to do more creative work. And then it's awesome that, well, AI enables that 100%.

I mean, I. One guy made our entire launch video, which, which you'll see, but I did the storyboarding on Memor on our Infinite Camp.

Can I see it or not? Can I. Are we able to see it or no? The video?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's. It'll be on Twitter. I'll, I'll. It's. We're. We're still putting finishing touches on. So I don't, I don't want to show too, too much right now.

Okay.

But I, Yeah, I mean, one guy just did this whole movie, whereas I did the scripting and then I did the creating the characters in different variations. AI Edit. Make me a guy with a T shirt. Make me a guy with a blue shirt. Make me a guy with a green shirt. And then combining them into scenes, then pressing, hey, I turn this scene into a video. You know what? Let me. Actually, I could pull up a quick little, quick little clip of it. Actually, you know what? I'm. Ignore the Voices right now. So AI Something interesting about AI is it creates voices in all sorts. I'm doing the voiceover after, but you could kind of see the vibe.

So there we go.

It's cool. No, I don't hear any audio, but I. I just see it, so it's fine. Cool.

Cool. Yeah, I mean, it's. It's pretty sick, man. So I even went Bob Ross in the park. You really think, dude, you really think AI? You really think AI could do this, man, like, half shirtless in Central Park? So, yeah, I'm very, very excited about this. And it was literally, you can see here, our software, all of this just straight up made on Memelord, like down to, you know, creating these characters, down to the storyboard and everything. It was all made on Meme, Lord. Right? And this is what I want to give to the world, is for people to, you know, make all their crazy ideas and dreams possible.

The future is gonna be so much fun. Like, I think people should be more optimistic about where things are headed.

Dude, me too, man. I mean, look, there's a. There's a lot of weird stuff going on in the world, but there's also a lot of beautiful stuff. It's. It's. I look at the AI Dumorus and I look at my broke friends, and it sounds bad, but I look at friends in. In. In comedy especially.

Who are friends.

Oh, yeah, childhood. A lot of. A lot of broke childhood friends who are. You know, we were all stoner artist types, and I. I made it out of this, the stoner artist type, and found. Found the tech world a little bit, I guess, six years ago, seven years ago. But we were all just like stoner artists, dreamy types as a teenager, and. And most of them are stuck in Brooklyn and. And doing comedy for 10 bucks an hour or whatever, and they're. They hate AI, they hate technology, and meanwhile, capitalism. Probably hate capitalism because they're bad at it. That's my hot take. People hate capitalism because they're bad at.

It, but get AI to help train them, to teach them.

They could be having so much fun. Like, that's why I feel that I don't feel bad because they're broke and working as a substitute teacher. I feel bad because they're. They're missing out on the fun. Like, I am happy.

Wait, why doesn't that exist? There need to be something that's like a capitalism 101, like, AI power, dude. Like, why is it better than the alternatives? If not perfect? But why is it better than the alternatives? And then how to play the game 100%.

I mean, look at this video here. Like, I am having fun, right? Like. Like there, like, you could be having so much more fun if you just leaned into the technological revolution and AI revolution that that is going on right now. Like, you could be angry and sad and pessimistic, or you could be like, you know what? I'm going to have a good time and I'm going to make some cool stuff and I'm going to get rich and I'm going to get my whole squad rich and I'm going to retire my parents off of silliness. That's my plan. I don't know about. I don't know about the people listening, but that's my plan. Personally. That's a great story.

That probably be like your final book in life, right?

Like, I hope so.

Story from.

Yeah, I hope so. Yeah.

How can people find you online, like memelord.com or.tech or how do you market?

We officially bought the domain. We are now live@memelord.com you could go there, give it a try for free. It is then $42 per month. You get a shitload of AI credits, unlimited AI image generation. All the newest trending memes. Also just hit me up on Twitter. I respond to dms. It's just, I am Jason Levin and send the death threats to my lawyer. All right, great. Should be good.

Jason, this has been awesome, man. Thanks for coming on.

All right. Thank you. Of course. I'll talk to you later.