Four Patients A Day Beats One Every Ten Minutes

I've had plenty of providers, new, you know, functional providers or people who are opening up new practices come to me and say, how do I start? How do I do it?

What would you tell somebody when they started? What do you tell them?

Um, get ready. Get ready. It is, it is hard. It is hard.

Fucking hard, isn't it?

Yeah. Make space in your life. And if you think you're going to do this working full-time in another medical practice, forget about it. So you're going to have to have a cutoff date.

You didn't build your clinic to feel like an employee in your own business. I'm Matthew Cologli, and on Out of the System hosted by Dr. Talks, we challenge the broken rules holding healthcare entrepreneurs back. Hear from clinic owners, rebels, and builders who are creating bold, profitable, patient-centered practices and doing it their way. Welcome to Out of the System. So, yes, tell everybody who you are. You're from my former hometown, Charlotte, but let's—

Charlotte. Yeah. Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm a family nurse practitioner by training who Transitioned into functional medicine. And, um, I have a clinic, Simone Medical, uh, brick and mortar in Matthews. I see a lot of telehealth patients too, but kind of functional medicine, perimenopausal women have fallen into my lap.

Beautiful.

And it's so fun.

So now for those of you folks listening who don't know, I used to live in Charlotte for 23 years. I used to have a clinic in Charlotte. That's where the Carolina Men's Clinic started, was in Charlotte. Uh, what part of, like, what part of, I know you're in Matthews, but like what part of town do you live in?

Like, uh, Matthews.

You're in Matthews.

Okay, great.

We're like, we were, I mean, I was in Waxhaw slash, you know, right off of, uh, Providence and 485. So yeah, know that area well.

Yeah, yeah. I'm just right down the street. My practice— I opened my brick and mortar a year and a half ago, and we're— I'm 3 minutes away.

How's it going?

It's lovely. It's great. It's great. I'm having— I have a large patient population that still wants to do a lot of telehealth, and I'm glad to do that. It's so flexible and easy to see people from all over, you know, North Carolina. But I love having my practice. Recently hired my first 2 employees, which has been huge for me.

Really? So you're really— this is really new.

My practice is 4 and a half years old. Opened up 4 and a half years ago as a side gig. I was working for one of the big hospital systems in Charlotte for a decade and the pandemic hit. Wasn't liking how that was going for me as a provider.

That was a shit show, wasn't it?

That was a super shit show. Yeah. Yeah.

Were you, when you were working in the pandemic, so you're working with the big hospital group, were you like, were you like, this doesn't make sense? At what point did you go like, From the get-go. From the get-go.

Were you—

I was too.

Yeah.

I was like, yeah, how did we come up with 6 feet? Like, but I'm a, I'm a moderately skeptical, like I always ask a lot of questions. Right.

Same. Same. It just didn't make sense. I was seeing the protocols that were coming out, things that were changing every day and it, it didn't make sense. I started questioning things and I was told to shut up and go see a patient every 10 minutes. And that's when I said, there's gotta be more to this. So.

So what were some of the things that you kind of saw that you were like, What was, what did you feel like was the first thing that came out that you were like, based on your experience? And were you, were you kind of leaning into the functional medicine space? Had you started doing some kind of side reading and things like that?

I, when I was in nurse practitioner school, I enrolled in IFM.

So really?

Yeah.

And so how long ago was that?

9 years ago.

So you're in, you were in NP school and you enrolled. I mean, so IFM, I mean, I mean, that's, that's heresy.

Um, right, right. But I knew going through school, I was like, this is a bandaid. It's all about— all I was learning was about, you know, blood pressure prescribing, medicine prescribing and all that. And I was like, what, but what about how, how about preventing it? My nutrition was like 4 hours long. Nutrition course in NP school was 4 hours long. And I had always been on the crunchier side of things. So I looked what was gold standard in functional medicine. And so I started there. And so I got out and going back to the pandemic, my My first day on the job was March 23rd, 2020. So I walk into the clinic. I'd been a nurse there and they hired me as an NP and they said, pack up your computer. You're going home for 2 weeks.

Yeah. I love that. 2 weeks of family care.

Yeah. So my first day or my first NP job was in my bedroom, seeing patients in my bedroom from my computer. And of course it was 6 weeks that we were gone and went back in and, you know, it just, things started coming out, not making sense, not making sense. I, you know, going back to my functional medicine and healing people from the root. I worked in wound care for a long time, and I proposed a nutrition program, a diabetes education program. Well, why would we do that? Why would we do that for a wound care patient?

Well, because the wound is, you know, the skin is the largest organ in the human body.

That's too expensive though, to teach people about nutrition, blood sugar control.

How do you feel now? Like at the time of this recording, obviously Fauci just took the Fifth 111 times a couple weeks ago. He's being held in contempt. And when you see the data that's coming out now, when you— what's some of the things that you feel?

Pissed.

Really? Not vindicated, but pissed. Tell me about that.

It's traumatic.

Yeah.

I have— it's traumatic looking back on it. It makes my stomach turn thinking about the patients, the employees, just people in general. You know, it's, it really makes my stomach turn. It makes me so grateful. I wake up every day grateful that God, whoever put me in the place that I'm in now to take care of patients like I take care of them, constantly being told this changed my life. And I'm like, all I'm doing is telling you to eat differently or take this supplement or whatever it may be, or hormones, putting that in people's lives. So huge, huge. I'm still pissed and that pissed me off even more.

Could you imagine if we had taken a different approach of saying, okay, we're not going to shut everything down. Let's say we'd taken the approach of Sweden. Okay. Which basically said, if you are at risk, stay home. Okay. And just kind of, you know, like if you look, I haven't looked at their data in probably, I'm going to say like 9 months.

Right.

But the initial data that I looked at probably 9 months ago was, you know, they got vilified because they didn't shut down.

Right.

But they had the lowest infection rates. They had the lowest mortality, some of the lowest mortality rates. Now, so now imagine, let's go back into the time back, time back, the Wayback Machine. What would you have done different if you were in that seat? What would you have done differently?

Yeah.

What are some of the things that you would have done if you were leading the CDC?

Talked about food.

Okay.

Being outside.

We're talking like Doritos, mac and cheese.

Yeah.

Yeah, the good stuff.

Kind of like the movement.

No, but the movement that's happening now. Eat more Doritos?

The movement that's happening now.

You mean like whole food? Like what Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy was doing?

Yeah. Right, right. Taking the dyes out, taking the sugar out, eat less processed foods. It was never talked about. No prevention, vitamin D, you know, getting— Vitamin D would have been a big one.

Can you imagine if we just put everybody on vitamin D?

Yes. I have not had one lab that's come back in the past 4 years that people have had adequate vitamin D.

I just got my, I just got my, you know, Will Haas at Vivaive up in Wendover? So he's my, he's my doctor, right? I go see him, right? Former and a client, right? And a good friend. And I just got my blood panel back and he's going to be so happy because for the first time my vitamin D is like off the charts. It's actually on the high side. He's going to be like, maybe we should pare that back. But anyway, so why is vitamin D so important? Why do you think that's, or why do you know that?

It supports our immune system. It hormone— vitamin D is a hormone. So we need that to build our other hormones and it, it, it's anti-inflammatory. Our thyroid can't function without adequate vitamin D levels. There's tons of studies. You go on PubMed. This is evidence-based. This isn't functional medicine crunchy hearsay.

This isn't the Lindsay Simone, like, school of, I think it does.

I think that vitamin D works. It does. So yeah.

Yeah. So what else would you give everybody? Vitamin D, better food. What are some other things you would have done?

Yeah. Um, Um, open up, open up church, open up gatherings, get together. If you're not at risk, then get together. Connection. That was one of the biggest things, you know.

Well, because we are, we've had a huge mental health crisis since then. My youngest is 21. My oldest boy's 28. I mean, my 28-year-old, he spent his last year at TCU going to Zoom classes. I paid $60,000 for him to go to fucking Zoom classes.

Yeah. Yeah.

You know what? Yeah. Go laugh away. Isn't it fucking bullshit? And we swear out of the system because my company's Maverick, so I don't give a fuck. Yeah. So anyway, if that offends you, I apologize.

It does not in the least. Okay, great. I'm actually from Gastonia. Oh, great.

Wow, you clean up nice.

Thanks.

For those of you that don't know, Gastonia is a recovering mill town.

Yeah, yeah. I've been out for a while. Okay, you've been out for a while.

Which loom did your father run? Which numbers?

I know, I know. He actually lived really close. He grew up in a mill house. Yeah. Of course he did. Yeah.

Yeah, well, everybody did. But yeah. And can I keep asking you questions about this?

Of course, I love it. Okay.

What is your feeling on ivermectin?

So I have 2 very, very close friends that were nurse practitioners practicing functional medicine through the pandemic. I wasn't quite there yet. So when I— it was— I opened my practice in 2023, 2020, end of 2022. But early on, they were working for a functional— big functional medicine doctor in Charlotte, and they were prescribing ivermectin. Both of them were investigated by the FDA— the FBI. They had FBI agents come into their practice, 4-hour interviews with the medical board.

Yep.

And that is— it pisses me off. It still enrages me.

It fucking pisses me off to no end.

I just literally spoke to one of them last week, and she said, I still have fear. She dots every i, crosses every t of any prescription she ever writes, because she said, that's how quickly things can go. I can lose my license over something that now they're looking at making over the counter.

It's, you know, here we have a drug that won the Nobel Peace Prize, right? Okay. And when you understand that the only way they could get the Moderna and Pfizer shots through is they had to declare, I'm going to forget the exact phrases, but they had to say that there were no other viable options so they could fast-track it.

Right.

And so they destroyed, I think it's 60 billion doses of hydroxychloroquine, which they used in Africa and they had some of the lowest, and they do Sunday, Sunday. And this is all, by the way, in case you're wondering if this is true, go read Secretary Kennedy's, Bobby Kennedy's book on the real Anthony Fauci, right? Which he's never been sued for. And he takes on Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci. It's so well documented. Have you read it? I have, yeah.

Yeah.

Kat Merritt, who's my chief revenue officer, she did all the marketing for the movie.

Really?

Yeah. That's why she's— I don't mess around.

Yeah, no, you don't.

I'm on a fucking mission. No, we're going to change the way medicine is done. That's great.

Yeah.

If we cut off the supply of doctors, then they're going to listen.

Yes. Yes.

Right.

And that's, that's my goal too. You know, I was telling you earlier when we were talking, of course I love patient care. I love taking care of my patients. That's why I opened my brick and mortar, because I'd been telehealth for a couple years and I was like, I miss touching people, I miss sitting across from people. But I've recently started doing some courses working for the BHRT Academy. I do, do the Cohort Connection, um, and then speaking at a conference this summer, uh, for NCIMS. It's the North Carolina Integrative Medicine Society.

Yeah, no, I've spoken there.

So that was my first big speaking gig, and it was, it was life-giving. Yeah, to me. Yeah, because the questions that those new providers asked was amazing. I saw their eyes widen and up and they ask me, like, I could do this too? Like, I can leave the hospital?

Yeah.

I said, yeah.

We get people out of the hospital every day. We help them deal with their non-competes. I mean, I'm not a lawyer.

Yeah, sure.

But we just are like, you know.

I had a nurse practitioner ask, she said, how many patients do you see in a day? And I said, a heavy day for me is 4. And she about fell out of her seat.

That's a busy half hour. Heavy day.

But I see my patients for 60 to 90 minutes. You know, if not more.

What is it? What's it like for you? Um, 'cause you had a career before you were NP, right? You were, you were kind of later to the game.

Well, right. I didn't go to nursing school until I was 28.

Okay.

28.

All right. And you were an artist prior?

I was an artist.

Sculptor?

Yeah. I painted and sculpted.

Painted, sculpted?

Yeah.

You still paint and sculpt?

No.

You should.

I know.

I'm a recovering photographer. So I went to art school. I got accepted at RISD, um, Parsons in New York, Parsons Paris, Parsons in LA. I got accepted out here to a couple of others. I won at Rochester Institute of Technology. I won a number of— when I was 16 years old in the whatever, 1983, 1984, I won 4 of the 5 Blue Ribbon National Awards for photography.

Wow.

Yeah. And then the next year I didn't perform as well. I only won one or something like that.

Are you still doing it?

A little bit.

Okay.

So I will— I usually take it for me. I don't print a lot. You know, that was back in the day where we Rolled our film in black and white. You know, you'd sit in the darkroom, you know, put your hands in the chemicals. That can't have been— couldn't have been very good.

Yeah, probably not.

But anyway, yeah, we did all of that. And then, you know, I'm an all-in or all-out guy.

Same.

So I still take— I take it for me, like, we leave for vacation today and we'll be out for 2 weeks and we're going to be in Northern California and all that. I will I'll take pictures. I'll do all of that, but it'll be mostly for me. You know, I might post one or two of them and it's all on my iPhone. I don't have a camera.

Oh yeah.

No.

Well, they're just as good.

It is just as good.

Probably not for you. You're probably snobby about it, but—

No, I'm not. I'm not that snobby anymore.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But let's go back. Let's go back to this. 'Cause I, um, I think this is really fascinating. Let's go back to the whole COVID thing.

Okay.

Um, so now the information's coming out. And I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not going to get this number right, but it's the, they were advocating women in their first trimester, whether or not they should get the shot. Have you seen the numbers?

I haven't. No.

Something, I think it's almost as high as 80% miscarriage rate.

Miscarriage rate. Yeah.

Is that, do I remember that correctly?

I know it's high.

It's a, it's a holy fuck number.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And whether it's Let's just say it's 20%.

And why is it not being questioned? And the rate of cancer?

Oh, how about the rate of heart attacks in African American males, 18 to 40, and men from like, you know, India, Pakistan, right? Thailand. One of my doctors, unbelievably fit, lives out here in LA now. I won't mention his name. And his wife is a well-known pediatric cardiologist, right? High-level surgery kind of thing. Like really, you know, like left ventricle kind of crap, right?

Yeah.

You know, like very specific. And he didn't make his coaching call one day. I'm like, where are you? Didn't hear anything from him. And he goes, I had a heart incident. I thought I was having a heart attack in the gym. I'm like, you are 40-something years old and you are fucking jacked. And we started talking and he goes he had the shot 2 weeks prior, whatever the cardiac, the inflammation, right?

Myocarditis.

Myocarditis. I mean, they just sweep this shit under the rug.

I know. I know. I just, this week there's something came up on Facebook and I threw my phone across the kitchen and it was some New York Post. And I said, It literally said like, is processed food really that bad?

You know, it's, it's really disgusting to me what they have done to the American public.

Yeah.

I mean, I think the number— I was driving over here and I figured we were going to get into this.

Really?

I think the number one— well, rephrase. What do you think is the number one health issue in America today? What do you, what is the thing that keeps you up at night that you're like, holy fuck, we got to fix this?

Obesity, metabolic health.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's amazing driving over here through the neighborhoods and you see people out walking their dogs, which is their kids in LA, and they're younger. And I'm like, you're 100 pounds overweight.

Yeah.

How is that possible? I mean, I know how it's possible. How do you feel when you see that?

Because I do a lot of metabolic— weight loss is how I started getting into this. I know that it's changeable and there's one thing that you have to change is how you feed. Well, 2, how you feed and you move your body. It's just the lack of commitment, the lack of, you know, being committed to yourself, I think.

Well, why is it so hard for people to stop eating the Doritos? Why is it that—

Well, it's the way that they're made. It's the chemicals.

Are they addictive?

Yeah.

Yeah. You think so?

We think so. Yeah, definitely. The oils, sugar, it's all addictive. Very much so.

You think it's manufactured to be addictive? Yeah. Like heroin or cocaine?

Absolutely. And sugar. Yes. Yes.

The way they process it, the way they—

100%. My program that I put my patients through now at Simone Medical, I don't do anything but change their diet for the first 30 days.

We don't— How hard is that to get them to do that?

Ooh, it's hard. You should ask Lorraine. She's the one who coaches them through it. Lorraine, she'll tell you.

For those of you that can't see off camera is the wonderful Lorraine.

My health coach.

You're the health coach, right? So it's really wicked hard, right?

Yeah. Yeah, it's really hard, but it's simple stuff. We're like, don't eat sugar.

It's in everything.

Stop with the processed food. But these people struggle. They struggle. So we have learned a lot about addiction and coaching people through just motivating lifestyle. And so, you know, I'm like, nutrition— I'm not putting hormones into your body if you're not pooping every day and you're still eating this garbage, because we're going to end up with something bad down the road. And I see all these practices, these big online practices, hormone clinics, and even other clinics around me.

All they do is just give them their shots. It's so bad.

It kills me.

People are like, well, it's covered by insurance and I can just get it covered by my guy. And he gives it. I'm like, did they run any other tests? Like, what tests are they running? Right? Like, oh, well, did they check your PSA? Did they look at your estradiol? Do they? And I don't— look, I'm not even a doctor. Right.

And you know that, right?

I know.

Well, it's good. Yeah.

Because you've been at it for 12 years.

Yeah. And inflammation, you know.

Yeah. The inflammation thing is like So I've been on thymosin alpha. Okay. And I've been taking thymosin alpha probably pretty consistently for the last 18 months.

Great.

Now I don't drink anymore. I quit drinking probably like in November of '24. Like, I'll— Christine and I'll go out to dinner and we'll have a glass of wine occasionally. So I don't drink anymore. As I joke, I gave up the crystal meth. That's a joke. The only thing I really do that's quote unquote considered bad as I love cigars.

Okay.

That's my remaining vice. I mean, you know, I gave up the bestiality too. So yeah, give me a break. Yeah. It's, yeah. Isn't that great? Um, and, uh, with thymosin alpha though, my inflammation number is like below 1.

That's incredible.

I know.

Yeah.

It's freaking great.

Keep taking it before you go to A4M in December.

Why?

Oh, the, the, well, the Venetian is, is, oh yeah. It's full of mold and I get that. So keep taking. I get, I literally get the plague every year after A4M.

Really?

Yes.

Why don't you just stay at the Wynn?

I should.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's an infinitely nicer hotel.

Okay. This year.

I've stayed in most of them.

Okay.

Remember I do, I do Vegas about every month for business.

Okay. All right. Good.

Good.

Yeah. Yeah. I love A4M. I love it.

But yeah. How about that? I mean, that's gone from when I first started going a couple years ago, it was 5,000. It was 10,000. They have, we just sent in, we're gonna be for the first time, we're gonna be, um, exhibiting.

Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, it's like my Disney World. Yeah, it really is. I think any functional medicine provider, it's like our Disney World. I, I don't know, I thought about taking the year off and I was like, uh, no, there's no way I could do that.

Even if you go and just hang out, right?

Well, the— and that's what another thing that I've started. One of the biggest, um, I guess pleasures in life for me since starting my business is hanging out with other functional medicine providers. Um, when I met Deb Mathieu, you know, she brings providers together and in her mentorship program, and I have gone every 3 months. I make it a point to go to some type of workshop, mentor group, conference, something like that to meet the people that I met through that. And so A4M's like our big anniversary every year.

You know, that's an important thing cuz, you know, we run a mastermind, right? Mm-hmm. For our clients. And we do a meeting every quarter and the bulk of them are in LA cuz I live here.

Yeah.

And I love the West Coast.

Yeah.

Right. And my East Coast people are like, oh, you need to host one on the East Coast. And we're gonna do one like once a year out there. But, and I explain this to them every single time. It's not about the time away from the clinic. It's about the time in the room for a day and a half. And what the— my most favorite thing about the work that I do is the friendships that go on after they've worked with us. Like the Schachters and Roddy and Ash Goyal and Petropali and Will, like they're all— Tracy Gappin.

I just met him. He's great.

Tracy's a great guy. He's such a great guy. Mark Hollis. They're all like in chat groups and you go back to the conferences and they all have dinner together.

Yes.

Like, I see the pictures posted and they're like, that's the— because the community, if we're going to really change medicine, it's not about having a— I don't think it's about having a standard of care because standard of care really hasn't gotten us very far. I think standard of care has made us fat and addicted. Yeah. I think it's more about a standard of relationship with your peers.

Yeah.

What are your thoughts?

I definitely 100% agree. Just this morning I was in a chat group with some of the most brilliant minds, NPs, doctors that I know. They're just chatting on a Friday morning about, um, Candida treatment.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm screenshotting this. This is brilliant. Like I said, I think I said fucking brilliant, um, to her this morning. Um, it, it has changed everything. And I can go, I can go through IFM. I'm going through A4M's fellowship right now and I get the, you know, that, but I gained the most out of these, these friendships and these groups of other providers who are on a mission to heal The world, heal everybody in a different way. And there's not a standard of care in functional medicine. I mean, we have protocols, but they change all the time.

But standard care is kind of bullshit.

Right. It's like normal lab values.

Don't you think?

I think— Normal lab values. Let me rephrase this. Yeah.

I think standard care is bullshit.

It is.

Because all it's done is made us— if you look at, I love looking at pictures of this from the '70s and '80s and today. Can you remember one fat person growing up?

No. Maybe one.

Maybe one.

Maybe one.

And his name was probably Bubba?

Um, probably.

Probably in Gastonia his name was Bubba.

Jimmy Ray, something like that. Jimmy Ray.

Right, Papa. My father was considered quote unquote fat when he was 6'2 and he probably weighed 220 pounds.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

Like, this is just— Lindsay, it fucking blows my mind. It pisses me off.

I know.

Like, we have a national security issue because people, people think about this. I have friends of mine, I have a lot of friends of mine in the military. They go, you wanna know one of the biggest things that keeps them awake at night? I go, what's that? She goes, they can't pass the physical test.

The PT test. Yeah.

And I'm like, he's like, Matt, think about it. We recruit people that go into the military.

Yeah.

Are people that are looking to go to college that can't afford it. So they're probably lower income, lower middle income, single, you know, single parents.

Yeah.

Traditionally single moms. They, you know, they're looking for something that can provide for them. And they come outta high school and they do 20 years and they come out at 38, 40 years old and they've got a pension, right? Like, and then they can have a career. And he goes, the biggest issue we have Is these kids want to serve their country. They want this option. They can't even do a pushup because they weigh 280 pounds. And he goes, and a lot of them have grown up on food stamps, welfare. Think about the food that they get.

Yes.

It's a massive issue.

It is.

We treated— when we had the clinics, we treated a lot of people from Fort Bragg.

Oh, yeah.

You should have seen how low the testosterone levels were of these 35-year-old men. They couldn't pass their physical ability test. And the government's like, yeah, you have, you know, yeah, you served in combat and your cortisol through the roof and your testosterone 110.

Yeah.

110.

110. Yeah.

And they can't, they won't treat them. I mean, is it, is it—

yeah.

Talk about that.

Yeah. Yeah. I see that a lot. I have not had, actually, it's, it's, I had, I haven't had a man whose testosterone is over 400.

What?

Initially. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I hope it would be above 400 if they treat you right.

Yes. Yes. But it's crazy. I mean, these are guys in their 30s. I had a—

Isn't it crazy?

I had a 27-year-old who is an Army reservist whose testosterone was under 300 when he came to me.

I had a Special Forces guy, 8 tours of duty.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay. Marine recon. I think he was Marine recon. Always embedded. Yeah. 8 tours of duty, 34 years old, testosterone levels 125.

That's wild. And they feel like shit and they're depressed.

And he was ripped, but he was— what price to his body? And then we got him treated. He's like, yeah, he's like, he started sending all those guys to us.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's amazing. And young people, I have a 17-year-old daughter and the, you know, I don't know anything about food, right?

You don't know anything about anything.

Anything like that. That's right.

You'll get really smart at 28, when she gets 28.

Right, right, right. So that, that is hard teaching people how to eat, what is healthy food. And we have to get so specific, so very specific.

Let's get specific.

Let's say don't eat processed foods.

But people— so how do you, how do you explain this to people? Walk me through this.

So if it's in a bag, if it's in a box, if it has more than about 4 ingredients, it should not be in your house or your mouth. I had a guy that—

Wait a minute. Does this include Botox fillers and breast implants?

No.

Okay.

We're not, not there yet.

I just I had to go somewhere weird with it.

So food, speaking of like what you put in your mouth. Um, I had a guy, you know, we're doing— he's, he's celiac, he's got TPO antibodies, it's that Hashimoto's thyroiditis. I said, okay, we're cutting the gluten, obviously. He calls and he said, I just got the best deal on gluten-free Cheez-Its at Harris Teeter. They're buy one, get one free. I was like, back up. Just because it's gluten-free, gluten-free Cheez-Its, what else is in that?

Gluten-free Cheez-Its?

What the hell makes it a Cheez-It if it's gluten-free?

Can you make it at home?

Exactly.

That's one of my things. I'm like, if you can't make it at home, you shouldn't put it in your mouth.

I always say, if you grow it, shoot it, uh, pluck it, you know, if, if you can hunt it, grow it, whatever, then that's what you should be eating. You know? Um, so that gluten-free Cheez-Its, buy one, get one at Harris Teeter in Charlotte. Yeah.

My God.

He said, I'll see if I can return them. I was like, yeah, you do that.

Why don't you just throw them away?

Or just throw them away.

Just throw them away. Don't even give them to a homeless person.

Yeah. Just get, get rid of them. So, and, and then the fight of, well, I've got a whole pantry. full of food. What do I do now? Just throw it away. Yeah. Yeah. And the changes when people are amazed at their 31-day visit with me, when they follow the program, they, I have never felt this good in my whole life. I have never in my life felt like this. And I can't believe it with these small changes. I can't believe it. I personally, I did it too. You know, I was an NP. I had some functional training, but I was raising 3 small children. Working full-time at the hospital, going through the pandemic. And I could show you my picture. I woke up, it was a February morning, and I stepped on the scale and I weighed as much as I did the day I gave birth. And I was not pregnant. And I'd been thin my whole life and I didn't even know how it happened. I weighed, I weighed almost 170 pounds.

Wow.

Yeah.

How old were you then?

Um, this was 3 years ago.

Really?

Yes.

May I say that you look great? Well, thank you.

By the way. I changed everything. Yeah.

And that's a compliment.

Thank you.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think, you know, a lot of times guys are not— they feel like we're not supposed to tell a woman that you look great. Sure.

I appreciate it.

You look fucking great.

I've worked my ass off.

Good for you.

Yeah.

And so take the compliment.

Receive it. Thank you.

You got it.

But I want people to know it's hard, but it's not. And the payoff for how you live every day— I wake up every day and think, I had no idea I could feel like this at 43. No idea I could feel this good.

You're 43?

I'm 43.

Yeah. I'm 58. I feel better at 58. My body fat's a little high right now. It's at 15% because I've transitioned from— I know, I've decided it's gonna be— I've decided on yoga. I'm tired of pushing weights around, right? Because like shoulder kept getting like tweaked and everything. Like, I'm like, screw this.

Yeah.

So I just made the decision this week. I'm like, we're going all in on yoga.

Great.

Okay. Yeah, some hot, some Kundalini, right? Mine was similar. So we opened the clinics in 2014. Okay. And all we were doing was Trimex for ED, right? Inject the, you inject the guy's corpus cavernosus, get him a hard-on. And then we started doing cypionate and I was always patient zero at the clinic. And so they tested my, so in 2014, I was 47 years old. I was working out 3 or 4 days a week. And I had a program that I was doing. I'm pretty dead. I've never been jacked. I've always wanted to be a lean cut guy because of my body size.

Yeah.

I was doing high adventure backpacking trips every month with my son's Boy Scout troop. Okay. My testosterone level came in. Take— you want to guess what it came in at? 450. What was it?

92. 92.

90.

You were crushing it. Wow.

90.

92.

And about— so because of what I shared with you about my father dropping dead with a heart issue when I was 13, I've been pretty maniacal about making sure that that doesn't happen to me.

Right?

Even though it wasn't a heart attack, it was AFib. And so I remember going to see my GP, Schnellenberger, guy right on family practice, guy right on Ray Road right there. Anyway, and he does a test and my cholesterol comes in high and he puts me on statin, tells me to eat a low-fat diet. So I start buying low-fat everything in the house. My numbers got worse.

Your low-fat Oreos.

Yeah, my low-fat.

Yeah.

And I don't know what my testosterone level was like, and that was like age 45. So 92. So then I start doing injections and then I moved to creams because we moved to a cream protocol and my numbers went to 700. And I was like, I lost like 10 pounds. And my, just from doing that, my lipid profile improved. Now I'm unfortunately one of these guys. I don't drink. Okay.

Mm-hmm.

I don't take any statins. I take I have a stack of pills I take in the morning and a stack of pills I take in the evening. I work with the best doctors in the industry. I've got all the best stuff.

Resources.

I do HBOT twice a month. I do IVs twice a month, all of it. And my triglycerides are still high. They're like, whatever, like 300. But I went to a top-level cardiologist and he's like, I don't care about your triglycerides. But the point is, is I've been able to do my cholesterol level, is probably like, I think he came in at 199 on the last test.

Yeah.

No statins. And I'll tell you right now, it was like 300.

Yeah.

This is what we can do with diet. This is what we can do with the right science.

My father was overweight for a long time, obese. And 2 years ago, 3 years ago, I begged him. I said, Dad, please, please let me help you. Like, I'm worried. You know, he's, he's 71, 70 years old now. And he said, okay, fine. Well, I started telling him like, throw away the Cheez-Its, throw away, you know, whatever it— all the ice cream at night, that kind of thing. Put him on a low dose of semaglutide for 12 weeks. He lost about 35 pounds initially. Then he felt better. His knees didn't hurt anymore. So he started—

Imagine that.

Right. So he started walking about, you know, around his neighborhood in Belmont a couple of times a week. Long story short, he's 70 years old. His last testosterone level was 800 naturally. He does not take TRT.

What was it before? Do you remember?

Lower than 400.

Naturally?

Naturally. He does not take TRT. He takes supplements. He takes no peptides now. He strength trains with Lorraine 3 times a week. She was just telling me—

Way to go, Lorraine.

Yeah. He bit the dust. Rock on, girlfriend. Duda. Yeah, we call him Duda. And it's amazing. He's 70 years old. We call him RFK. You know, he's in the gym with his blue jeans on.

That's great.

Yeah. But he said to me, he goes, Lindsay, why didn't my doctor tell me to just eat right and exercise? He was on simvastatin, 80 milligrams.

Are you shitting me?

And completely got off of it. And his cholesterol looks better than mine. Yeah. He takes no medication.

One of my, when we first started this, it was in 2015. I remember we hired a PA and this was all new to me. Right. And my then wife was an ER nurse for Presby, Nobon. And I remember telling her I was going to start testosterone. She's like, please don't. I'm like, what do you mean? She's like, You're not supposed to do that. It's a natural part of the aging. I'm like, yeah, no, I'm gonna go do this.

Let's go into that. Let's talk about hormones.

Can we?

Yes.

Go ahead. Take it away.

It is, um, going back to my, my story, you know, I was, I was fat. I was tired. I was pissed off.

I was fat too. I was 210 pounds.

Yeah, 170. It's gross. It's gross. The pictures are terrible.

Um, let me see if I can find one of me.

Go ahead. It's not posted.

No, I'm gonna find one of me.

Oh, one of you. Yeah. Yeah.

You keep talking. I'm gonna find one of me.

Anyway, I wasn't sleeping. I was 38 at the time, wasn't sleeping. I had to pull over on Independence Boulevard one day because I had a panic attack about nothing. And I'm like, something's not right.

I'm sorry, I'm not laughing because it's sad.

Well, it's scary to pull over on Independence.

Right, yeah, it's scary to pull over on Independence.

But anyway, I went to my sweet PCP at the time with Novant and told her all these things, and she wrote me 4 prescriptions that day. Ambien, Xanax, birth control.

No!

Periods were bad at 38. Um, Ambien, Xanax, birth control, and, uh, like a, you know, something for my heart rate too, metoprolol. So when I didn't get so nervous when I was at work, and I said, I don't need birth control. I don't want any of this. And I especially don't want the Xanax. She said, you're the first person in my career that's turned down Xanax. And that's all she had.

That's 2014. That doesn't even look like you.

That's wild.

Isn't that wild? Well, one, I have facial hair. Two, it's long.

That's wild.

Yeah. Does not eat. I don't know if there's a way for us to share that, but yeah. Like I show pictures of my, to my friends are like, what?

I wish I could find, I'll show you afterward that picture. I just found it. Cause I was, Lorraine trains me too in strength training and I was trying to find, can you pull it up? Find that.

I mean, look at how pudgy I am.

Yeah. That's nuts. Anyway, that's nuts. But that was when I knew, like, I'm changing everything. So that was when I went back Xanax and birth control. My husband had a vasectomy 16 years ago. You know, I don't need birth control. And that was when I started getting really into Bioterapy.

Let's just fuck up your natural cycle. Let's just completely get women outside of the way that they're supposed to be built. You're supposed, you're supposed to flow. Women are like the Mississippi River. You're supposed to change course. You're supposed to, you know, be this way one time and that way. That's the natural flow of the river. And men try to build levees around women and make you all the same. It's fucking disgusting to me.

Yeah.

Women are so fucking powerful. If men would just wake up and just finally realize the beauty of your changes, the way that you flow. If they would just, if men would just understand. I had a guy in yesterday doing a consulting session, a Dominion Path day. And he's like, yeah, I just wish my wife would come to me and talk to me more. I go, it's not her job to come to you and talk to you more. It's your job to create an environment where she feels safe and seen so that You, you have to change. It's incumbent upon you as the man, as the divine masculine, to create the environment for the divine feminine to flourish. And he looked at me, went, no one's ever said that to me in 50-plus years. I'm like, yeah, I got a whole teaching on it.

It's the truth. It's true. My sweet husband, I have to ask him, hey babe, where am I in my cycle? By the way, what day am I?

Oh, I know exactly. Oh, I know it. Oh, I know Christine's.

It's been a change.

I can tell by the way I—

who knows what to do.

I can tell by the time when I, if I kiss her, I can tell by the sense and feeling of her skin. And she's Like, I'm like, you're ovulating right now, aren't you? She's like, she looks, yeah, you're right. Like, you're going to get your period in 24 hours or 36 hours. She's like, what?

He predicts it. I'll be like, no, I've got 3 days. He's like, nope. And he's always, it pisses me off so bad.

How cool. What's that like for you as a woman to be known like that?

I just, I, I don't know. I feel, I feel very, we're very close. We're like, you know, I just feel very taken care of. Like it's the best.

But what's that like for you as a woman to feel taken care of? Because a lot of like the feminist movement is like, I don't need to be taken care of.

And as a very independent woman, I'm an entrepreneur.

Yeah.

I own my business.

Is he like a banker?

No, he works for me.

Oh, really?

Yeah. Yeah. He works with me.

Right.

With me.

Yeah.

Yeah. He's my IT. He's my office manager. He's my, I don't know, fix my plant. He does everything, everything for me. Um, and at home too. And it's amazing. Like, I just, I feel like I have a partner. This is my second marriage. So— Yeah.

I'm on my, well, Christina and I aren't married yet, but yeah, it'll be my third one.

Yeah. Yeah. This is my second. And we just took, um, you know, we took everything from both of our first marriages and it's been a process. It's been hard, but now we're in this beautiful place where—

How long have you been married?

10 years. Where we just respect each other. We're growing a life that is— we never imagined we could have because of my business, because of my entrepreneurship, my independence in doing that. Now we're able to do that. We just bought 32 acres in the mountains in North Carolina.

Congrats.

Which was our dream.

Awesome.

It's, it's like, it's amazing. We're at the top of this mountain in Lansing, North Carolina, and you have a 360 view. I love the mountains. It's so amazing. So goals to be up there permanently soon. But, um, yeah, yeah. So that's amazing. And he takes care of everything. Yeah. I run the business. He's, he's everything else, including me physically. You know, it's great.

We, it's funny. I, I am the least handy guy in America. I can grow plants.

Oh yes.

Yeah. I can't, I put me outside. I can grow flowers. I'm not that great with like growing plants, but like we have a lemon tree. I'm rehabilitating that in the backyard. We call her Grandmother. She was totally overgrown. All these other trees had grown over. I'm like, oh honey, I'm gonna— let me open you up here. Yeah. Um, now she's pumping out beautiful lemons. Um, I, I can't fix shit in the house.

Yeah.

I don't know how to plug in a hammer, but I know I have a credit card and the internet. So I'm really good at bringing guys. Like, I got a couple guys in. I'm like, babe, Juan's gonna come over today and fix this and this. She's like, oh, awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Like, just let me take care of it.

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm not— I think I think the— there's so much to unpack there.

Yeah.

I don't think there's anything more sexy to a free man and more scary than a confined man, a narrow-thinking man, than a powerful woman.

Yeah.

I think women scare the shit out of men.

Yeah.

Thoughts?

I can see that. Yeah, definitely. Um, and that is why it's so sexy to have a husband that is so supportive of my career and my dream. And, um, I never thought, because the man I was married to before said, you don't have to work, I'll take care of you. And he didn't.

See, that was me the first time, because I grew up in that stage of like, oh, the man's supposed to take care of the woman. And I was, An entrepreneur. She could not handle it. And my first wife is a wonderful woman. She's an amazing mother. She is a phenomenal mother. She's an amazing woman. She finally has a man that understands her. I didn't, like, I couldn't understand her. One, I had all my trauma, right, that I was dealing with, didn't know how to deal with it. And, you know, she was not made to be married to an entrepreneur.

It's hard to be married to an entrepreneur.

It's brutal.

Talk about it. This business has almost It has almost ended us. It really has.

Like in what way?

I don't shut it off. No entrepreneur shuts it off.

No, there's no—

No.

So Chris Flores, who owns— I have a partnership with him, Mavericks Payments. So we do payment processing for doctors' offices, merchant accounts, right? And Chris is 34. We did an interview Monday and I'm like, we were talking about work-life balance and he's like, you know, I'm trying to get work-life balance. And I just fucking laughed. I'm like, You don't. It doesn't exist for us.

No.

When did you realize that as an entrepreneur, that there is no work-life balance? There's just work and it's— work is life.

It's been recent. It really has. Especially when I was like, okay, here we go. We're, we're blasting off. Like, I'm going to make this into not just Simone Medical in Charlotte, North Carolina. Like, I want it to be educating other providers and getting my voice out there and, and, and, you know, helping patients and providers in that way. It's probably been within the last year because that's really when I've been pursuing it more than just like, I need to make enough money to pay my mortgage kind of thing. But that was also when my husband Matt— he's Matt too— he said, you got to shut it down at some point.

It's hard. How do you shut it down?

Oh, I put my phone up.

That's the best thing, isn't it?

Yeah, that's— I mean, that's what I have to do. I put my phone up. But he also asked me to cut off talking about it.

That's really hard.

Yeah.

It took me a long time to learn that. Now, again, I've got 15 years on you, right? And I've learned a lot of lessons over the years, right? I'm really good at shutting it off now. Like, I— one, have you ever done Human Design?

I've heard of it though.

Okay, you need to do it.

Okay.

And then send your chart to me and I'll do an analysis for you.

Okay.

Now I'm not like trained in Human Design, like, and you can send yours too.

Yeah.

So we run every single staff member through it.

Okay.

And when you come in and you do every client that we work with, especially the ones that come in and do a Dominion Path day where they come in and spend a day with me here. So I just had 2 clients, 2 clients in one Wednesday, one Thursday. We run them, we run their entire team. Of all the tools that I've ever used, and some people are like, I don't believe in horoscopes. I'm like, do you believe in the baby Jesus? Yeah, I love the baby Jesus. But you know those horoscopes? I'll tell you, they're sorry. That's not to make it look redneck, but it just makes it funny. You know that, that horoscope stuff? My pastor said that stuff's evil. It's from the pit of hell. I'm like, really? So how do you think the 3 wise men knew to go to Jerusalem?

Mm-hmm.

What do you mean? They were astrologers, dude. They followed the stars. How do you think we navigated up until like 50 years ago, up until World War II? The stars. So you take your date of birth and where you're born, the time you're born, and based on that you have a design. So my design, I used to be a— because I was taught that an entrepreneur never stops. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Right? Got checklists, you know, money loves speed, all that shit. I'm actually the complete opposite.

Really?

Yep. I'm what's called an easy breezy genius, and I need massive downtime. Last week, for the first time that I could ever remember that wasn't a vacation, during a work week, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, nothing on my calendar. I got so many downloads on business systems for doctors. I got like 2 or 3 of them that are game-changing that I'm going to release in November at our mastermind. They're fucking amazing.

Wow.

And they came to me. It was like writing— I imagine it was what it was like writing Don't Stop Believin', because they wrote it in like 45 minutes. Like, I was working on something else. It came. I was like, oh shit. Wrote it down, put it together, sent it to my CEO. She's like, this is amazing.

Wow.

And the point is, is that you have to do this. I believe cancer comes from a lot of issues. One of them is you are operating outside of your design. You're operating in a way that you're not supposed to be. You're doing a job that you're not supposed to be. You're in sales when you should be in operations, or you are working in an insurance space when you should be seeing patients every 7 minutes, when you should spend 60 with it. And I believe Human Design, when we sit down and we go over their design with doctors and I'm like, this is how you need to structure your business, you can literally see tears in their eyes.

Oh, I bet. I bet. Yeah, I bet. Yeah.

Um, what do you— have you done personality profile?

I haven't, no.

What?

No, I'm so—

Get out of here, Lindsay!

Come on, girl, quit! I have been flying by the seat of my pants for 5 years. Yeah. And, but, and it's grown by— wow, by God's grace. But I am— it, it—

Thank God for God's grace.

Yes, no kidding, no kidding.

As Bono once said, I'm— somebody asked him, Bill Hybels asked, do you believe in grace? He goes, I'm counting on it. He's a rock star.

Same, same. No, I've had some amazing mentors along the way, which has definitely changed everything. But, um, no, I haven't done So you haven't done Myers-Briggs?

You haven't done StrengthsFinder?

I'm sure I did a Myers-Briggs back in—

Yeah, back when you were working for Novon or whatever. Yes. Yeah. They make you do all of that. It's fascinating stuff. I mean, when someone— I'm trying to figure what you are. I'm kind of bad at guessing. But anyway, there's all these different types and styles. But when you finally get to that place that you are operating as you're designed, it's like Oh, it creates a great roadmap for Christine and I.

Absolutely.

'Cause I have— I'm an emotional authority, so I have big highs and big lows, right? So when— right now we're having a blast, right? We'll get done, we'll high-five, we'll take a picture, you're going your way. And on the way home, I'll hit this low and I'll walk through the door and she'll know that I'm in a low. And she'll be like, you need time? I'm like, yeah, just give me like 30 minutes, right? You understand your waves, you understand how you're designed, you understand, oh, this is why.

That's awesome.

This is why I can wait till 5 minutes before I go on stage and write out on a sticky note what I'm going to talk about.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

Because this is how I'm designed.

Yeah.

It's beautiful.

Yeah. I do get the most work done. It'll be, I'll be exhausted all day seeing patients and then I hit a second wind around 9 o'clock.

Okay. And how long are you up till?

11, 12. And you get the most shit done, don't you?

Most shit done.

Yeah. Yeah.

Is that frustrating for your husband? Because he just wants to lay on the couch.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, very. Yeah. So that's, that has been probably one of the hardest parts is cutting it off when I get home because it's not like I'm at Novant every day anymore. I have to go see patients, take care of my practice, and then come home and still do it.

So what's been the hardest thing for you as an entrepreneur? Has it been the shutting off or is it just, or is it just, was it hard? Was that harder than the anxiety of starting? No, no.

No, no, the anxiety— there wasn't anxiety with starting it. It really, like I said, I said I flew by, but it fell into my lap how successful my practice has been. It really did. I started and I had a handful of patients, and I have a good friend, childhood friend from Gastonia, that ended up— she's an influencer on Instagram.

Your Instagram is really good.

Well, thanks.

It's really good, and I don't say that with like—

I appreciate that.

Yeah, it's really done well done.

Thank you.

Yeah, you're welcome.

He's great. Um, but I partnered with her and, uh, basically my husband lost his job about a year after I started my business out of nowhere. And I hit my knees, called my friend, but she had been saying, I'll go on Instagram, I'll promote your practice or whatever, because I was treating her. Um, and I called her and I said, Bailey, it's time. And she said, let's do a live tomorrow night.

You know, what's interesting is most people wouldn't have done that. They would have gotten smaller. You expanded. What drove you to say, you know what, it's time?

Because I'm not going to fail ever. I've always been very, very driven. I'm not going to be poor. I'm not going to struggle. I don't want my family or my kids to, you know, want for anything. So I'm just going to work and work and work. Anyway, Bailey and I went live that next day. I went to sleep. We just talked about GLP-1s and peptides and weight loss and hormones. The next day I woke up with 100 appointments booked. This was October the 4th.

What?

Between October the 4th and Thanksgiving, 100. And I had like 10 clients before that. Yeah, this was 2023. And, um, I mean, I like, I could, I still get choked up thinking about it. Like what a blessing it was that she did that for me. She says she, I changed her life. Um, she was just on Instagram on the way here. We were looking at it. She was shouting me out and putting my full script up on her Instagram. And I've never paid her a penny. You know, she's just that person. Your friend, yeah. Just a good friend. But anyway, it has continued. I've never paid a penny for marketing. Not one penny.

I think that's a really hard thing for people to understand. Like, Deb's kind of the same way. Amy's kind of the same way. I mean, Amy pays, spends money on webinars.

On our webinars.

Which, by the way, like webinars done correctly to cold traffic, especially in the functional medicine space, is a fucking game changer. I have people that make $50,000 on a $2,000 spend.

She's got the stronghold on webinars. Her, yeah.

She, she's taught our clients, like she's, she's given the formula and my clients use it all over the globe. All my clients all over the globe.

Yeah.

And my clients use it. I'm like, well, this might— will this work in Australia? I'm like, it'll work in fricking Botswana. Go ahead and run it. Human nature is human nature.

Yeah. Yeah. And Deb too. Deb's practice, Deb Matthews' practice is 8 minutes from mine. And she—

No competition, right?

No competition. I know the best hormone replacement therapy. Doctor in the world here in the United States.

For those of you that don't follow Deb Matthew, Deb's—

She's the happy hormone doctor.

Personal friend. Yeah. She's personal friend, client. She's been a client.

Yeah.

She's brilliant. She's a great, she's got a great program. She's a great teacher.

Yeah.

The industry is blessed to have her.

They are. But going back also to the collaboration of functional medicine providers, she's 8 minutes from me. She handed me the blueprint of her practice.

Yep.

Isn't that—

was that shocking to you that somebody that— why, why was it so shocking?

I was jaded for a long time and I wouldn't ask her questions for like the first couple of months I was in her mentorship because I was like, ooh, I feel bad. I'm, I'm, I'm right by her. Why would she share her secrets with me?

I remember when she told me you joined.

Really?

Yeah. She said, well, I've got somebody right— she didn't, I don't re— you know, she's like, I got somebody like 10 minutes away.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

She's like, she didn't say, what should I do? That's not what it was. But I'm like, fuck it.

Share 'em.

I mean, I go, Deb, I'm sharing. I shared everything with Deb about how to build a coaching company. I've built 4 of them since 2004. I've done this in numerous niches. Like I know how to build coaching companies. Right.

Yeah.

And I told her all the pitfalls. I'm like, the tendency— you can grow this to $1 million by making it based on your personality. Don't do it because then you got to unravel it. Right? Like, she's like, really? I'm like, I just saved you like 5 years. Yeah. Yeah.

She's incredible. And what she taught me through doing that, not— she didn't verbalize, oh, you're down the road or whatever. She said to me one time, you know, Deb is— she's like, there's plenty to go around.

Absolutely.

But what that taught me was like, just collaborate. Don't compete. So I I've had plenty of providers, new functional providers or people who are opening up new practices come to me and say, how do I start? How do I do it?

What would you tell somebody when they're starting? What do you tell them?

Get ready. Get ready. It is hard. It is hard.

It's fucking hard, isn't it?

Yeah. Make space in your life. And if you think you're going to do this working full-time in another medical practice, forget about it. So you're going to have to have a cutoff date for that.

You can start part-time. You can start with Saturdays for a little bit.

For a little bit.

But after you sell 10.

Oh yeah, you gotta, you gotta go. You gotta dive in. You gotta dive in. It was the— that was the scariest thing I've ever done. I had TMJ so bad for 3 months. I was— the only thing I'd eat was soup. I couldn't open my mouth on this side. I have TMJ so bad.

You can check PRP and that, you'll be fine.

I know, I know. Um, no, all I had to do was sit down at my medical director's desk at Novant and say, I'm done. I'm quitting. I'm leaving.

What did they say?

What? What are you going to do? They never asked me about my practice. They knew I had it. They never asked me questions. They don't care. I haven't heard a word from them since.

They don't care. We hear this all the time. I'm working at the big hospital. I don't want anybody to find out. I'm like, you know, I've got a non-compete. And I go, let me tell you something. They ain't going to sue you. They're going to rattle their sabers a little bit. They won't even know. I had a client, massive non-compete, like fucking draconian, right? Orthopedic surgeon started his practice on every other Saturday, was doing $50,000 a month, leaves, calls me one day. He goes, they say they're going to sue me.

I'm like, Let him.

They never sued. They just wanted him to be on call for like 4 months.

Yeah.

Yeah. I was like, just take the deal. Or whatever it was, 3 months, right?

Yeah.

They didn't— wasn't it amazing to you that they didn't care?

It was sad.

What did that feel like?

I was heartbroken because I had worked there for a decade.

And you had poured your heart and soul into the place?

Oh, poured my heart into that place. I was like, what are my patients going to do? I had patients bawling crying when I said, this is my last week.

Did you tell them where Yeah. Of course you did.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I'm still friends with a lot of them, you know? Um, but it was, it was heartbreaking to know that I wasn't supported by the people that I thought would, would fully support me in my own practice. Even a couple of them had had their own practices before and they were like, it's too hard. Don't do it. I don't recommend it.

Well, it's because they were in the insurance space.

Yeah. Right. Right. But I was, you know, that, that's a— now I'm, I'm, I'm, I just, I have a lot of trauma. There's my trauma, I think, is is getting out of the hospital system.

Well, it's an abusive system.

It is.

You know, we talked about this. You know, we do a lot of— we've done a lot of plant medicine work, psychedelic work with our doctors. Right. I'm very open about my journey. And I tell clients when they come to work with us, it's not a requirement. Like, we don't advertise it. Right. We are creating a separate company to now do this. But I always tell folks, I'm like, look, this is a tool in the toolbox. You can choose to do it or not. I will tell you that I've done talk therapy. for 20-plus years. I've tried Lexapro. Like, I've tried exercise. I've tried whatever. Nothing has moved the needle quite like plant medicine. And so we've sent 40 doctors plus, at least, I can tell when they go. And like, they'll be like, I had no idea how much trauma I was carrying. Wow.

Wow. Yeah.

I had no idea that residency was that abusive.

Yeah.

Now that you're under— and I know you're just beginning your own journey, you can share whatever you want around that. I'm always very sensitive on that topic. When you look back on some of the things that you've done in medicine or how they've treated you, what are some of the things that you stand back now, you go, fuck, that was abusive? What were some of the things that you saw?

Oh gosh. As a baby nurse, On the floor, the, the, the things that the more experienced nurses leaving— I'm going to smoke, you stay here, you've already got your 4 critical care intubated patients, watch mine too.

Were you ER? Were you, uh, critical care?

I see. I worked at Trump.

Were you in Novak?

Um, no, I, I started the other one. I started in Germany at Landstuhl Medical.

Oh, that's right, I saw that because you were— were you military?

I was a civilian nurse for the Army.

Was your first?

My ex-husband was Air Force. Yeah, he was stationed Yeah. So I was working at Lunchroom, um, in the trauma, um, ICU there. And then I came home and worked critical care in Gastonia. Yeah. And then went to Novant.

I was gonna say, if you knew my ex-wife, that'd be really funny.

Yeah.

Um, okay. So like, what were some of the things like that you saw that you look back and I'm like, oh my God, that was abusive. The training, the education. What were some of the things?

Um, education was great. I would say, um, actually going back, thinking about that, that, that brings— I had a preceptor in nursing school and she said, my goal is to make at least one student cry every semester. Isn't that fucked up?

Like, what the fuck are you accomplishing?

Yeah, and I said something. There was some medical term I mispronounced because I did go to nursing school in Germany. It was a hybrid nursing program. I was the first military spouse to go through nursing school, so I had to petition the school, University of Wisconsin, and fly back and forth. But I mispronounced a medical term because I was reading it. I wasn't in class, and she ripped me to shreds. It was perineum, and I don't remember how— or perineum. I pronounced it perineum and it's perineum. And she ripped me a new shirt.

What the fuck does it matter?

Why does it matter? Be supportive. Be supportive. That's why I, you know, when I have these other providers that want to do what I do message me every day on Instagram, you know, I want to figure out how to support them. I want to, you know, right now I'm like, go see Deb, go, go.

Have them send them our way too. Give them a copy of the book. Like, seriously, like what? We've got to free these doctors. We have to free them.

We have to. And nurse practitioners and doctors.

And when you ask me doctors and NPs, sorry, sorry, NPs. I always lump you together with PAs.

Sorry.

I don't want to call you all providers because that's kind of abusive.

I don't mind provider. I don't like mid-level. Oh, fuck that.

That's disgusting.

Yeah, I don't mind provider.

I don't want anybody in the mid-level of nothing.

I have another colleague who's still in at Novant and she's always like, well, I don't want to have to work when I get home like you do. Okay.

Well, fine. Then take 7 minutes. That's your choice. Like, this is not for everybody.

Yeah. Yeah.

This road is not for everyone.

No, but God, it's so much fun.

What was it that surprised you? 2 sides of this coin. What was it that surprised you about having your own business that you're like, hell, this is a blast? And what was the thing that surprised you? You're like, hell, I didn't know it was going to be that hard.

Um, I mean, just the freedom of deciding how to take care of my patients and the time with my patients and seeing the change in a human in front of me, their life. I mean, I feel like I don't, I don't want to toot my own horn and say I've saved lives.

own horn. It's the whole purpose why we have a podcast. I got a friggin— I got Bozo over there somewhere. Let's get a horn.

I had a girl last week and I looked at her and I teared up. A tear rolled down my face and I said, I will save your life if you let me. I know I can. If you stay where you're at, you are going to be dead in the next 5 years. I can guarantee you that. And that— but I know I can. I don't think I could. I knew I couldn't. That was one of the things that gave me the TMJ when I was at Novant, I couldn't save somebody's life whose foot was already rotting off and had type 2 diabetes. You know, I didn't have time or the space to do it. So that, and just learning what functional medicine can do for a person. It's not about medication, you know, learning how to do it right too.

Yeah.

Functional medicine's blowing up.

Yeah, it is.

Blowing up.

When I— so I sold the practices in 2017.

Yeah.

In 2018, I'd run out of my testosterone. So I'm like, I got to go to somebody. And I knew of Dr. Mickey Barber, who was right down the street. She's on Pineville Matthews. She has 2 locations. She has Charleston and Charlotte. And at that time, she was kind of like the big dog, right? So I'm like, I'm going to schedule an appointment to go see her. And so, you know, we start talking. She's like, you own the men's clinic? I'm like, yeah, I just sold it, blah, blah, blah. She's like, I was like, all right. And she actually was my first client.

Oh.

Okay. She was client patient X. And so she does a full, she's like, all right, we need to get you in. You need to do a full stress test, everything. I was drinking bourbon, a lot of it, because that's what you do in North Carolina. You start drinking bourbon and eating barbecue, baby. And she got my blood panel work and she said, you need to come into the office. And she came into the office and she sat me down and she goes, you're going to be dead in 5 She goes, you will have a massive heart attack. Yeah. I'm like, what? She goes, you got to change your life. And slowly, it took me a little while. The best thing I gave up was the booze. Sure. Alcohol's horrible. It's the worst.

It's toxic.

Yeah. I'm not going to say I'd rather have somebody do heroin, but it ranks right up with the heroin as to how it destroys lives.

It's pretty toxic. Yeah. In every way.

Um, but yeah, she just, she completely changed my life.

I love being able to say that. I had another man this week that said, why didn't my doctor— he's from Belmont, Gastonia too— why didn't my doctor tell me any of this, Lindsay? He looked at my labs. He said, I just was there in June. And I had told him the same thing.

They don't know.

Yeah.

They don't know.

They don't know. And it's not their fault.

No, it's not.

It's not that they're stupid people and they're, they're brilliant. They are. But it's not what they, you know, labs. I spend so much time just explaining normal lab values and optimal lab values and what that means. That's a huge part of my initial visit with everybody that I see, just so that they can wrap their minds around, well, my labs said they were normal. Why do I need to eat better?

Why do I You know, you think it's fear as to why they don't dive into it? Do you think they're afraid of getting in trouble or getting sued?

Yeah. Yeah. Because there's guidelines. And if you, if somebody's cholesterol is high and you don't recommend a statin, at least recommend a statin and somebody has a heart attack, it's your fault as a doctor.

Yeah.

It's stupid. They have to.

Doctors are supposed to be some of the most creative, always testing new ideas. Like, have you ever sat down and read the full Hippocratic Oath in the context and the content with which it was written?

I can't say that I committed that much time.

So one of the, We grew up in, when we were in Charlotte, we went to Forest Hill Church.

Okay.

And David Chadwick's a beautiful teacher. Right. And David would always talk about people that would misquote the Bible. They would, they would take just a chunk.

Take what they want to hear.

Right. Yeah. And he said, you always have to remember context and content, the context of the times.

Right. Right.

Why was it written this way in the times? He's like, well, because you're getting a message out, right?

Yeah.

And then the content, what's the story before it and after it? Like, so if you're reading, if you're gonna take a line from Matthew and you're gonna say, like, I love it. I love it when people will be like, well, in the Bible it says it, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, but that's 8 words of a 29-chapter book. Let's go through the entire context and content of Matthew who wrote it, why they wrote it, the time in which they wrote it, what is the purpose of it, who are they writing it to, right? Imagine just taking a line from Rocky, right? And attributing it to abortion, right?

Yeah.

So when you look at the Hippocratic Oath and you look at it in the context and the content, it's amazing to me how few doctors have read the entire thing. The gist of it, as I understand it and interpret it based on the context and Do no harm is not about not harming.

Harming, right.

What it means is explore every single option available outside the norm of anything that you can possibly find. As a doctor, you are charged to push the envelope— my words, not theirs— in order to find a cure for your patient. That's what it means by do no harm. And we've bastardized it from the standpoint of do not harm. You got to take a statin. It's standard of care. We need to take a standard of care, and everybody's got to fit right in that standard of care because we don't— everybody's good. You're going to fucking kill them anyway.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

It just pisses me off. I look at how doctors have been manipulated and lied to and told that you're bad with money or you're just a dumb old doctor and you shouldn't be in business. And, you know, doc, just, you know, it pisses me off to no end. And everybody makes money on your— everyone is making money on your license.

Yes.

Everybody.

Everybody. It is. And us mid-levels, it's even worse. It's even worse.

Really? What was that like?

Yeah. I mean, think about what you can pay. Well, the whole fight, okay, about autonomous practice in North Carolina. So in North Carolina, I have to have a collaborating doctor to practice. There's not a whole lot of requirement behind it. You know, we talk every month. I have a wonderful collaborating doctor and we talk every month. and she looks at a couple of my charts. But there are a lot of states where nurse practitioners can practice without a doctor to supervise them. And the big fight in North Carolina is between anesthesiologists and CRNAs because anesthesiologists are doctors who give anesthesia and what they get paid versus a CRNA who is a nurse anesthetist at the hospital.

Yep.

It's about half probably of what an— $3 million versus that. And so that's the big fight. fight that's being put up in North Carolina, because if nurse practitioners, CRNAs can practice autonomously, what are hospital— who are hospitals going to hire?

Well, right. But then you've got the other issue.

Yeah.

Okay. So then you have the bigger issue, the whole bullshit of the corporate practice of medicine. Okay. So for those of you that are, if you're in the medical field, you understand corporate practice, it's different in every single state.

Yeah.

Right. So what it basically states is that as a non-doctor in the state of North Carolina, and along with a number of other states, there are some states where I can own a medical practice, Virginia, Texas, I think is one of them anyway. I don't remember them all. I used to. Anyway, you, the corporate practice of medicine says that a non-doctor may not own a medical practice. So that gets me thinking, how the fuck are the VCs, venture capitalists owning all of these? Well, I know because this is what we did at the men's clinic and it's totally legal. You have a management company, right?

Yep.

So we own the name, own the domain, uh, own the merchant account, um, hired the employees, right? And then we had a contract with the doctor that the doctor signed a contract with us for us to manage his facility.

Yeah.

And basically what you do is you create an environment where the doctor has all the medical control, but if they don't do what you want them to do, ours was not this draconian, but basically this is how you set it up. If they don't do what they want to do, you can tell the doctor he has to sell.

Hmm.

Okay?

Interesting.

Yeah. Right? So they've created all these loopholes. The other thing is, you wanna know the other way that you can own a medical practice?

Huh.

Is if it's a nonprofit.

Oh.

'Cause what are most hospitals?

They're nonprofit. That's how they do it.

What was Presby? Nonprofit.

Yeah.

Presby, which was the big hospital, it's now Novant. It's nonprofit.

Yeah.

So what do they do? They keep their nonprofit status.

Mm-hmm.

But yet they have profits.

Right.

And they create loopholes in the management company.

Yeah.

I think that even though I'm a non-doctor and I've owned, I think corporations owning medical practices and owning hospitals along with the— is hat in hand as bad for us as UnitedHealthcare.

Yeah. Yeah. Have you heard about the new bidding system for shifts for nurses at UNC Chapel Hill?

Oh, tell me about it.

Oh my God.

I got to hear it. I'd love to hear this.

They are implementing a bid system for nurses to bid for their shifts at UNC Chapel Hill. So it goes to the lowest bidder. Whoever says, I'll take this shift for X.

Are you kidding me?

Yes.

Wow.

Came out like 2 or 3 weeks ago, I think.

Awesome. That's really going to make me happy as a patient.

Right. Let's just talk. So you get the nurse that'll work for the least.

That's like saying, don't get sick after July 1st.

Right.

On July 1st, don't go to the ER after July 1st because that's when all the new students are there. The new residency students are there. Get sick in June.

Yeah. Yeah. I swear if I got out of healthcare, Or if I got— if I— if my practice failed, I would be out of healthcare. I'd go work at Costco, probably.

No, you wouldn't.

I would.

You would not go work at Costco.

There's no way I'd go back there.

There's no fucking way you'd go work at Costco. You would last— you think you could make it till noon? You think you could make a week at Costco?

No.

I don't—

Of course not.

I don't think I could make it till noon.

I love, I love this. You know, going back, you asked like, what, you know, what's the worst part about the— about owning my business? And it's, it's, it's the businessy part of it. You know, it's the taxes and the running that piece of it. I just want to see patients.

Yeah. Most doctors, NPs, PAs, they just want to see patients.

Right. But I—

But you have to know it.

I wasn't trained in— I've never been trained in business. I went to NC State. I took some economics classes, you know, that kind of thing. But, um, that's been the hardest part.

It's the thing that I love the most.

Yeah, really?

You know how you love— you know how you, when you have a patient come in and you look at their chart and you know that you can fix them, right? And you get a tear in your eye. I do the same thing when I look at their balance sheets and P&L statements.

I'm so glad that we're—

I can literally I'm really looking, you know how you can look at somebody at Walmart and say, I know how I can fix them without a blood panel.

Oh yeah. Right?

I can do the same thing with businesses.

That's amazing.

I just had, we had a startup in on Wednesday. We had a guy that was, he's got like 38 employees in yesterday, 2 vastly different businesses. That is my operating room.

That's great.

There is nothing better. See, I love freeing doctors. Like, I could go do this in a lot of other industries and probably make like 5x, but this—

But look at the impact that you have on— it's not just the doctor and his family.

Look at how many people we're helping.

Their patients.

Yeah. I know that when we, when we can make a doctor more profitable, because here's the thing, doctors are like, well, especially like it's really prevalent in the NP space and it's really super prevalent in the naturopaths, right? And we have naturopaths that are clients and they'll be like, well, you know, I just want to help people and I want to make it affordable. The problem with making something affordable affordable is it doesn't mean that more people are going to buy it. No, it actually turns off the people that can afford it.

Yeah.

And, you know, we can, I believe we can save our country by the work that you and I are doing.

I think so. Yeah.

Because let's say you positively impact the lives of, let's call it 250 patients in a year. And you do that every year. And what that exponentially It really does. Right? I bet you, you have patients that their friends went to Deb and they couldn't get into Deb and now they went to you. I would bet. I'm just, you know?

Yeah.

And I think of the marriages we can save.

Yes. Oh my gosh.

Okay. LA, number of homeless people. I bet, I'm going to bet a large percentage of those have gut issues.

Yeah. And hormone deficiencies. Absolutely.

Gut issues. Okay. So help me. Yeah. Um, Kent Tolteroff has talked about this. We talked about this a couple years ago, like, but I want to hear your thoughts on it.

Yes, I— last night we were on the boardwalk at Redondo Beach and I was watching.

Better watch where you step.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But several people walked by and my heart aches.

Heart breaks.

Because something is going on, something probably gut. I have a patient who's recently— her 17-year-old son went from great strong junior, um, at high school and a switch And he spiraled psychologically and ended up committing suicide. And she truly believes that it was his gut, possibly Lyme disease, and they were starting to explore it. He had been diagnosed.

Is Lyme disease manufactured?

You know, I've got this land in the mountains and that is a big thing that we're, you know, dealing with.

I don't know. I'm just trying to— you don't— yeah, I'm not trying to put you on the spot.

This is something that I You know, I wish my husband was here.

What would he say? What's his name?

100%. His name's Matt. It's Matt. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah, yeah, I do.

Game of function.

Yeah.

Yeah. So I think of this, by the way, I'm going to give a book for your friend to read.

Okay.

Okay. So we do this training. So our, you know, you've read my books, right? So the stairway system, right? That's how you start a practice. That's how you get a practice to $1 million. My practice is over $1 million. Then you expand beyond that. You don't just have one way that people come in. Now you have the capital to bring people in from a bunch of different ways. Okay. So there is, look at the stairway system, we have the beachhead, that's the bottom level. So we have a new version of it where we put underneath that culture, vision, values, vision, values, culture, right? That's kind of like your foundation. Below that is the basement and we call it the origin code.

Okay.

And so with my work in psychedelics and plant medicine since November of '24 and the work that we've done with our doctors, I've gone back and I've looked at our doctors that have gone through through these journeys with Zeller or with Christine. And I went, the ones that are consistently getting the biggest breakthroughs. Now it's not a straight line. Okay? You get a breakthrough, then you drop, 'cause then you find another piece of trauma you gotta fight through or work through. And I started looking at it and I went, huh, the ones that are having some of their biggest breakthroughs are the ones that have gone and they keep growing.

Yeah.

So that gets me thinking one day. And I think about my own journey, my own traumas. And then I read the study on epigenetics and how the egg that became you was in your great-grandmother. So the trauma that she was going through, the starvation, the pestilence, the rape, the whatever, was encoded in your DNA.

Yeah.

Right? Have you seen the 2013 Emory study with the lab rats?

Yes. Right? So were they—

yeah, the cherry blossoms, they have the parents cherry blossom electric Then they don't have the electric shock. They give 'em the cherry blossom smell. They still respond. And their great-great-grandpups respond the same way without the electric shock. Right?

Yeah. It's wild.

So, and it didn't start with you.

Yeah.

The basic concept of it is, is that you have genetic wiring that predisposes you to the situation that all of a sudden, I bet your friend had someone else on their family that at 18, something switched.

Yeah.

It's encoded.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

I've done my entire genealogy. I knew very little about my family. It took a lot of time to kind of—

Oh, wow.

My father and I are the only ones that are not alcoholics.

Really?

Really. A lot of failed businesses.

Wow.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah. Like just—

Yeah.

So—

That's amazing. Yeah.

It didn't start with you.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's a great book and it's not to make her feel bad. It's to stop the cycle.

Sure. It didn't start with you. I will—

And I think that a lot of these people that are homeless, one, alcoholism. But gut health.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Hormones. Yeah. Yeah. Gut. Well, gut plays into hormones. It's all interrelated. And that is one— that's a big piece of my teaching too. We have to address your gut first. Going back to that, I will not do anything for you if you're not pooping every day and if you're still eating garbage. Like, I just— I want to help everybody. But if you're not willing to make that change, I'm not willing to help you because I know that it's not going to work. I mean, who doesn't want to have a great poop every day? Right. But the amount of people, especially women that come to me and are like, I'm constipated, you know, 4 days, 5 days, how much? 5 to 7 days. I talk to women all the time.

What do they normally prescribe then to fix that? Like if they go to their doctor, what is their, what is their family doctor or their gyno say?

Nothing. They tell them it's normal. It's fine. Tell them, you know, drink more water, but then it'll be, well, how much water do you drink? That's the first thing that I always ask. And they're like, oh, I mean, I have a glass in the morning.

I drink Diet Coke.

Yeah. Diet Coke. God Almighty. Coffee all day long.

I drink coffee. It's got water in it.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But the constipation issue is huge because then you're not detoxing your, you know, your gut. You're just recycling everything, all the other toxic crap you put in your body, you know, and alcohol then, then comes in there.

Yeah. And then I have the wine because I can't—

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm, I'm not pooping. I don't feel good. I can't exercise because I'm too tired. So you're not sweating. You're not detoxing it out. It's, yeah, it's a horrible cycle. Whole cycle.

A couple of other questions.

Yeah, go ahead.

Let's talk about gluten.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. So gluten is—

so yeah. How bad is glyphosate?

It's awful.

Yeah. Is that the— why is that? Why you have gluten intolerance?

I think so. I think so. I think because I have plenty of patience. I personally have been to Italy and been able to eat—

Food's great, isn't it?

The pizza, eat the pasta. I lost 12 pounds. I'm gluten-free.

I tried Well, American gluten-free.

American gluten-free.

Is that a choice or is that a medical issue?

It's a choice. It's a choice. I have some sensitivity to it. I'm not celiac or anything like that, but how much better I feel when I am, I do eat gluten-free. It's a no-brainer.

Yeah. We were in France a couple of years ago, right about this time, because I always take the last 2 weeks of August off. And I was in France, ate bread every day. Felt great.

I would too. Yeah. Yeah. I lived in Germany. I ate all the bread, all the bread and went to Italy and, and never had any issues. And it was coming back here, but it's, it's so inflammatory. So if I have anybody that has any kind of autoimmune or inflammation, that's one of the things that we take out of the diet. And I'd really have to tell them it's not a thing that you can cheat on. It's not, you can't be gluten-free Monday through Thursday and then eat pizza on Friday. It don't, it didn't work like that. So yeah, it's, it's—

Do you go so far as to bring in Italian wheat and have your, and grind it yourself?

I have not made it myself. We only do— we do only eat Italian. My husband's Italian, so I—

Christine's Italian too. She's 50% Italian, 50% Irish, and I always tell him like, baby, there ain't any Irish in you. Trust me, you are all Italian. You got all Italian in the DNA pool.

He's not touching any of the, you know, protein pasta or anything like that, so it's the Italian semolina pasta for me.

Can he make really good gnocchis? That's what I need to know.

He makes good everything.

Yeah?

Oh my God, he's so good.

Oh God, when I'm in Charlotte, can we have dinner? Can he cook dinner for us?

He doesn't cook often, but he is Italian food man. The other night he was I said, I'm gonna make chicken cutlets. And he was like, he perked up. He said, well, do you have this? Do you have the Italian breadcrumbs? Do you have the mozzarella? I was like, I wasn't gonna go to all those lengths, but we ended up cooking together until 9 o'clock. We didn't have dinner until 9 because it has to be just right.

Yeah, I love to cook.

Yeah, he does too.

Again, I don't get a chance to cook as much because, you know, yeah, the gluten, here's what I see. I'm pretty sure, I'm I mean, I followed Secretary Kennedy pretty closely. Like the guy's, what he did to our waterways. I mean, how can you argue with the man?

Right. Right.

And I remember seeing, there's always a couple, I always, I'm very visual. They showed the time that they started spraying and desiccating our wheat with glyphosate and the skyrocket of gluten intolerance. This is what I try to explain to my friends. I'm like, you have to understand statistically. They're like, well, it's gluten. Like, you know, we need, I'm like, you know that this doesn't exist in other countries. They're like, what? I was telling my friends, And I go, we're at a party. And she's like, oh, I'm gluten intolerant. And I go, have you been to Europe? She's like, no. I go, you know that gluten doesn't exist anywhere else. They're like, what? And I go, here's the chart. I think I used to have it on my phone. I don't have it anymore. But basically here's the chart. We started spraying it. Look at the instances. What are your thoughts on autism and Asperger's? You think it's just a cultural phenomenon that all of a sudden we have more?

I don't, I don't. I taught school for a few years. It was awful. After I graduated from college initially, And it was, that's why I got out the behavioral, the, you know, and they, we don't have the space and the capability for these kids. And then the diet goes back to diet.

You think it's also related to the red dyes?

I think it's related to nutrition. I think it's related to some other things that might happen to kids when they're babies at birth. And yeah, yeah.

Let's give them 37 shots.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, and that's, and by the way, for those of you that don't understand, I want to be really clear. So I'm not anti-vax.

No, me either.

Okay.

Yeah.

But I'm to sit here and say that vaccine saves lives. You have to understand the measles vaccine came in in 1964. You know what has had more impact?

Right.

Clean water.

Right.

You can look at the fucking charts.

Yeah.

Okay. And it's not, I have no issue with vaccines. I have an issue with a baby getting hep C and the ThermoSol that they use, the binding agent, which is mercury. Which when they euthanize the monkeys, it breaks the brain-blood barrier, which means that all of these things, these head thrashing, all of that, the monkeys exhibited the exact same thing and they suppressed the studies. Go read Kennedy's Vaxxed and Unvaxxed. You won't make it through chapter 2 because you'll be so pissed off.

So mad.

You'll be so pissed off. I won't let Christine read it. I'm like, you are not allowed to read this book. It'll destroy you.

Yeah. Yeah. I had to take a lot of walks when I read that.

Oh God.

It took a long time to get through it.

I was listening. So when I drove from Charlotte to here, I was listening to the real Anthony Fauci. Yeah, I'd have to stop and walk. I was so angry. I was gonna have like road rage.

Yeah, we could, we could go into that. So yeah, take us— I, I have a couple friends who I have tried to lay out nutrition for kids, and, and then I have a sister-in-law who, who changed her children's whole diet, and it was good for her. It was life-changing for their behaviors, you know. They were— it was great. So yeah, I definitely think that, that, that Gluten is one of the things that if you change one thing, if you change one thing, get gluten out of your diet.

Unless it's like good gluten.

Unless you're in Italy. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

Last thing, GLP-1s.

Yeah.

You use them a lot.

I do.

You big, obviously you're a big fan.

Big fan.

What are your, what's your worry about them? Do you have a worry?

Yes.

What is it?

I have a big worry that they're mismanaged. They're overused. What does that mean? Everybody wants a shot. Everybody wants a shot. I still, to this day, I have a good, and I love my loyal patients. I started with GLP-1s. I started as a telehealth Your favorite one is?

Semaglutide.

Yeah.

Semaglutide, the GI issue.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I just see a lot of mismanagement with it, but I see a lot of people who don't want to do the work. So I've got— I've gotten really strict. You know, if you're not pooping every day, if you're not strength training— strength training is non-negotiable. You have to do something.

You put them on creatine?

Um, I do creatine, fiber, vitamin D.

How much a day?

I'm careful with creatine because I personally, I can't take over about 10 milligrams a day or It's like bad news. So we'll start with 5.

I do like 10. Yeah, I do 2 pills, 2.5 in the morning, 2.5 in the evening.

I'm thinking about starting to split it up, like taking an evening dose too. So I do it in the morning.

Yeah, the studies on that is split it up. Oh yeah, I have some people that recommend 20.

Yeah, I would love to get to that. I just personally can't tolerate it.

It's a little rough. Yeah, yeah, but a lot of freaking water.

Yeah, but good stuff, good stuff. So it's, it's just, you know, getting these people to understand that they are going to hurt themselves if they take these shots and they lose all this weight without putting the work into it.

I'm always fascinated by the unintended consequences. Okay. And I'm always fascinated, like in history, the first time I ever heard this was there was a German doctor that said that, you know, in the morning, the doctors would go down and they work in the cadaver lab. And then in the afternoon, they would go deliver babies. And they had some of the highest— they were always— they were losing so many babies in Germany, right? Because they weren't washing their hands. Okay. In France, they did the exact same thing. One of the doctors said, hey, maybe we should wash our hands, right?

Of course.

In Germany, right? In Germany, the doctor said, maybe we should wash our hands. They're like, that's crazy. There's no such thing as germs and bacteria. And he was crazy. He wound up dying crazy, right? And this other doctor, and here's what the interesting thing, this was like the 1870s. It was the difference between Germany having enough manpower to win the war and to work the farms and France, because they had such high mortality rates of their infant rate in Germany. It was the equivalent of something like 5,000 or 5 million people.

Wow.

Which one of the things Germany had, they didn't have people to work the fields. That's why they ran out of food. Isn't that fascinating? So I think one of the unintended consequences And consequences that we're going to see with GLP-1s is the people that don't manage it correctly. Hip breaks.

False. Yep. Osteo issues.

Osteo issues. Especially with hips.

Absolutely.

What do you think?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Muscle is our insurance. Muscle is our fat insurance. So one thing I can get a bell to ring usually in people is I say, if you build more muscle, you can eat more food. You know, you can eat more food if you build more muscle. That's how Lorraine had ice cream last night, you know, because she can and look at her. Sure.

Lori and I love ice cream.

And that's how—

The good stuff.

Yes. So you—

The milk and sugar, real sugar cane sugar stuff.

You can have that every now and then if you build muscle. If you don't, you cannot have that. And preserving bone, you know, always try to scare the shit out of them with the, you break your hip and in 5 years you're probably going to die.

It's shorter than that.

Yeah.

It's like, yeah. If you're over 70, it's like 18 months.

18 months.

Yeah. It's the— this is the joy of working. I learned a lot of cool shit working with orthopedics. I've learned a lot more about bones than I ever wanted to. I think it's like there's age categories, but yeah, like you're, you know, if you're over 80 and you break your hip, you're just like, they're like just playing the funeral.

Yeah. I mean, my dad's and my stepmom, they're both, she's 66, he's 70, and their transformation over the past 3 years to in the gym 3 times a week lifting heavy stuff.

Good for you.

Is amazing. And I'm like, if they can do it, if they can do it, anybody can, you know, especially these 40-year-olds that come in.

I think I told you before we started and then we'll wrap it up. Yeah. I have made the, I'm decided I'm going Yeah. Like the body, you know, the core and the one leg. I mean, to me it's better than— I've lifted weights for a lot of years. It's kind of like I want to do something else.

Yeah. I think it's good to mix it up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lindsay, I am so glad you contacted me. I'm so glad we were able to make this work. I wedged you in between clients and me leaving the set to run.

I know. Before you went to—

Will you come back on and do this again?

I would love to come to LA again. This is great.

Yeah. Come on out. Let's hang out. Seriously.

Yeah, for sure.

Come on out. Bring Matt.

Yeah.

We'll introduce him to Christine. We'll stick the Italians together. They can like, you know, talk about gnocchis and chicken parm. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, definitely. Okay. Do it again.

All right. Thanks so much. All right. And I'll let you know when I'm in Charlotte.

Okay.

All right. Awesome. All right, everyone. Thanks.

Thank you.

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