Charlie Kirk / Social Credit Scores/UBI

And all citizens could be scored based on their behavior. Get Real uncovers the truth about China's social credit system. Is it the cure to uncivilized behavior? Or a tool to silence dissent? Hello, and could it create a new chasm between the haves and have-nots?

Welcome back to the channel, uh, guys. I hope you're having a great evening, and, um, as you can tell, uh, by the title of the video, we're going to be discussing a little bit about, uh, the unfortunate passing of Charlie Kirk, uh, social credit systems and universal basic income, right? Uh, now these things are all— would definitely be different topics, not relative to one another. Uh, in this video, we're just going to pull some interesting things together, um, that we've seen happen in the past, uh, week or so, uh, with this incident and how the online community has shifted, uh, you know, on the basis of, um, um, how they feel about these set of events. So First, just condolences go out to the Charlie Kirk family. You know, it's very unfortunate that in a country like America, we cannot have our opinions put, you know, out there on the table, have discussions, you know, to diplomacy without violence, right? Without acts of violence, right? It's never an okay situation to be in, uh, because I'm a big believer punishment should always fit the crime, you know what I mean? Uh, if, if there is even is a crime, you know, of course in Charlie Kirk's situation there was no crime at all, right? He was just assassinated, right? But as to say that if you believe something bad should happen to a person, it should be relative in, in level. That's what we call justice with the actions they take. They take— so these things should be on par with that, you know, despite, you know, what, how you see these certain situations. And so I'm a big believer in that, so I'm always going to be in support of ideas like that. But, you know, in saying that and looking at someone like Mr. Charlie Kirk, although I don't have a— I never got a lot of information on Charlie Kirk, unfortunately. I, I mostly was familiar with Candace Owens. I think I saw Charlie Kirk maybe in like one of these, um, these, uh, change my mind type situations. And, um, um, and I, I, so I, I'm very limited in, you know, who Charlie Kirk was. It's only in recent times I've been seeing the media the clips that they put out on him, but I've never taken the time to get to know in its entirety how he would do these debates and so on. I've seen the clips like most everybody else, but I didn't get a chance to really dig deep into who Charlie Kirk was. Now, what I did pick up on was the, uh, I, I, I, I, I took from a lot of the information he was putting out that he was a Christian, he was a capitalist, uh, he loved America, he was friends with, uh, President Donald Trump and so on. And, um, and so he would have these, uh, debates on college campuses to, uh, go out and try to you know, basically have these, these civilized discussions, right, on what would appear to be touchy subjects. And so that's all I really was able to gather with Charlie Kirk. Now, the other big thing that I found interesting in doing this video was that there was a, a big uproar about people losing their jobs because they're very insensitive to the killing of Charlie Kirk, and to the point that they would, you know, post it on social media, right? And when they put— posted stuff on social media, these private companies that they work for, they, you know, they get wind of this, and, you know, or, you know, maybe the, the public outcry gets to them and would fire these people, right? I think some people were— I think some— did some— a college student get arrested? I think maybe a college student got arrested. I don't know what the charge would have been, but it is the relationship Charlie Kirk had with Donald Trump. It is also very— the president was very adamant about people being very insensitive to Charlie Kirk. And, um, uh, you know, it would almost seem that they look at this as hate speech, right? Um, uh, or elements of it. And so some people have lost their jobs and so on and so forth. Uh, now I would say that based on the information I do have about Charlie Kirk, that anything relative to like a a social credit system, right? And I'm not saying that's what they were doing, anything like that. What I'm doing is I'm just, from what the public seems to be, what they seem to be putting forth, right? I'm just looking at some similarities of what's happening in these, in this situation and social credit systems and what could possibly be happening in universal basic income. That isn't necessarily happening, that they can all be three separate things. And, um, these things can be, uh, the— as in a comparison since they could be totally different, but certain elements of them could be the same as well, right? And that's kind of why I put that together like this, right? Um, and so what do I mean by that, right? So in the little clip we saw from this video, right, about social credit systems, particularly like what they have in China. You know, what was happening was that if you are a good citizen in China, right? Your social credit score can go up, right? You know, maybe you help your neighbor, the old lady across the street. You volunteer, you do volunteer work, right? You keep your areas clean. You're always helpful to people, um, you know, uh, you get rewarded from the government for that, right? Now I, I understand that in the West, you know, being an American like myself, that, uh, people hear all the horror stories about social credit systems, right? But I also think it's very important that we focus on, uh, the good parts of the social credit system to kind of present the video in an objective way, right? And so we can kind of look at all the good, the bad, and the ugly. So what would be good about a social credit system in relation to what happened to Mr. Charlie Kirk, right? So all of this stuff that's come on the, uh, you know, out online, right, that's you know, been put out there about the decency of human beings, right? That the fact someone could be assassinated and people are posting online that they don't care about Charlie Kirk. Some people are saying that, you know, um, um, you know, some of the, the way he lived and some of the information he put out right, that it was, uh, basically setting up the environment for not good things to happen to Charlie Kirk, right? But the thing is this, right, if you did see it that way and you, you looked at the situation with Charlie Kirk like people, you know, like these people should be punished for their insensitivity. They don't care. They're saying, you know, mean, terrible, disgusting things, right? And they shouldn't represent these jobs, workplaces, and so on. The thing about that is that in a social credit system, it would do that, right? These people would be punished, right? But not only will the people like that be punished by the system, they would also be rewarded by the system, right? And so I think from a human, a humanity standpoint, a lot of us can appreciate that because oftentimes we want to see people rewarded who deserve it, right? You know, like how you have that great neighbor, he's always helpful, he's helping everybody, he's doing everything for everybody. but he never gets anything for it. He's never paid for it, right? It doesn't seem that he's getting back like he's putting out. In a social credit system, there's kind of a balance to that. Interesting enough, a lot of people who watch the channel also understand that I was a big advocate for presidential candidate Andrew Yang because he's running on universal basic income. You know, by the way, um, universal basic income is the political stance I take. So Democrat or Republican, uh, if they're not talking UBI, I'm not very interested in, you know, what they're doing. And so because of that, uh, I would say, you know, my position in a situation like this whole Charlie Kirk thing is I wouldn't fall on either side, right? Um, because I just think UBI, Universal Basic Income, could be that helpful to people. I would probably think that Charlie Kirk wouldn't, you know, be interested in anything like that as a capitalist. And that's fine. You know, having, you know, difference of opinions is what democracy is all about, you know. So no issue there. But Uh, it would seem that people who, uh, were big supporters of Charlie Kirk, they want— they wanted the insensitive people to get what they deserve, right? Um, if something was going on that wasn't right, their behavior wasn't right, uh, they of course would want there to be a correction there. And social credit systems would do that. Again, I'm not advocating for social credit systems. I'm just finding it interesting, some of the relative parts of it with that, with the Charlie Kirk incident, and with universal basic income. Now, another thing that was happening a lot was people were making it like freedom of speech was under attack, right? Some people believe freedom of speech is under attack. Now, the only thing I have to say about that is I think we've had many incidents throughout our history where, what do you call them, Karens, what do you call them, despicable people, insensitive people, where it's come out that they behaved in certain ways where jobs have come forward and said that they don't represent the company the proper way. And so we're going to be dismissing this person, we're going to fire this person, right? And we've had many incidents online with people that's happened to. So that's nothing new, you know, and we didn't have the conversation about it being an attack on freedom of speech. So I think we've always had that. The only difference I could see in the Charlie Kirk incident was that Charlie Kirk being so close to Donald Trump, right, with his political party, their friends and such, and the president taking a personal message about Charlie to the public. That's the only thing I could kind of see different in that, right? That the involvement of Donald Trump. Other than that, I would say that there have been many incidents where people have said things that would be considered unacceptable to the public, that would be considered, you know, whether it be hateful or just in poor taste of the companies they work for, because you got to keep in mind companies are private entities, which means that you don't necessarily have to break the law or anything like that. But if you're just not representing that company in the proper light, they have the right to dismiss you, right? So, you know, whereas I can see the concern with the involvement of Donald Trump in this, Uh, just looking at it from a totally objective point of view, um, I don't think that necessarily has anything to do with a private company firing you if you're online and you're saying things that a lot of public would consider insensitive after someone's been shot and killed, right? Uh, especially if they were shot and killed in a legal procedure, they weren't doing anything illegal and so on, right? So I just want to kind of put that out there so that, you know, when I say speak of the relation of the social credit system, or I just kind of pull things together, that doesn't mean I'm not by no means saying Charlie Kirk did anything wrong, or that it is an attack on freedom of speech. I don't believe it necessarily is. It could be, depending on the cases. But in many situations, simply put, if a job feels that you're bringing a lot of bad attention to their, to their organization, right, they are, uh, you know, their company, they are, uh, in their right to dismiss you or fire you, right? Especially if they have determined it's bad for business, right? It's a bad representation of the company. You know, if you make a public, you know, declaration about what's going on with someone. Now, where does UBI fit into this? Well, unfortunately, when people think of social credit systems, anytime the government's rewarding you or they're paying you, right, based on not necessarily just You know, if it's not job-related, right, and you're getting money from the government, right, if it's not labor per se related, universal basic income in a weird way, although not the same, it can kind of feel similar to the social credit system simply because the government seemingly is just giving you money and you're not working for the government, you're not working for a public company. Um, also, the government can make decisions specifically on if they want you to continue to get UBI or not. Like, it would be possible for the government just to stop your UBI, right, for something you do or don't do, whatever the case may be, right? It would still be under the wing of the government in that sense. Um, And so those are some of the relations. So let's kind of put them together now, right? UBI, you're getting what some people deem to be free money from the government just because you're a citizen, right? The government can take it away based on if you, you're a bad actor in some sense. Social credit score, you can get rewarded or get, um, basically, uh, punished, right? Based on— because, uh, as I was watching that documentary, they were speaking about a gentleman who he had done some bad things in the— in his community, right? Or things people didn't find very tasteful. And I can't remember exactly what it was because you remember in the social credit system, as you're losing points or gaining them. Doesn't necessarily— you're not breaking the law, but you're just doing things, or you could be in some cases, and that'll affect it too, I would imagine. But it, it doesn't necessarily mean you have to break the law to get a demotion in your points, right? Get points taken away, get negative, uh, impact on your score. And so this one person in China it not only took away many of his rewards, but it stopped him from being able to book up flights, right? It stopped him from being able to get a passport to move around and things like that. So he was basically in pretty bad shape simply because he wasn't behaving in a way that the community and the Chinese government wanted him to. So in a situation like that, we can kind of see why it could be so fearful, uh, social credit scores and such, and why people would be, um, so concerned about, uh, what they, you know, what they would deem as their freedom taken away, right? Uh, this kind of off-topic topic, but on topic, if you're a Black Mirror fan, uh, there was an episode called Nosedive that I think you should watch that maybe in an exaggerated way, but pretty much I would say, uh, definitely would put you in the mind of this such a great documentary, uh, where, you know, the people were punished, right? Your livelihood, where you lived, right? What kind of bookings you got, uh, kind of air travel, uh, you got, what kind of car rentals you got. Everything was connected to your social credit score, right? And so, you know, this episode of Black Mirror called Nosedive, it details that in a very interesting way. Maybe I could show us a clip of it real quick. Let's see if I can do that.

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Okay, so the episode, I was trying to find the actual trailer, but it was clips of it in there, uh, where your social credit score would allow you to do a variety of things, right? Um, or you couldn't do it, right? And so Um, a world like that would be scary to a lot of people because the good portions of it, right, where you're, um, you know, you're being rewarded for doing a good deed, for volunteer work, and so on and so forth, right? Similar to during the Andrew Yang campaign, uh, he was saying that if you're a volunteer, right, that you should deserve universal basic income, right? All of these jobs that you're doing that the market doesn't pay you for in a situation like a stay-at-home mom, right? One of the most important jobs in the world. You're not paying, these people aren't getting paid, although they're laboring intensively, right? And so these are all arguments for, you know, the idea of being rewarded as well for The things that you do that you're not paid for, right? And so in a social credit system, you would have some of that, but you would also have a situation where you could be punished greatly for that to the point your freedoms could be on the line, many of them, right? Or how you would see it. In a situation like universal basic income, you could have it taken away by the government, right? For whatever reason the government would deem you didn't, you shouldn't have access to it, right? Looking at a situation like Charlie Kirk, right? I think that when we see people fired for having these, what we would tend to look at as negative opinions and negative statements about Charlie Kirk in such a sensitive time. Right, things said about his family and so on. Uh, we would want to see, uh, that corrected, right? Similar to the social credit systems, similar to what happened in universal basic income, which you're getting it or not getting it. And Charlie Kirk's situation, we— people would want to see those people punished for that insensitivity, right? But on the other side, the arguments have been, as we've seen in the media, that some people feel like their freedom of speech is being taken away and that they should have the right not to care about a person, not to like a person, to be able to disagree with a person, right? And say insensitive things as a right if they so chose to. And so if you, in a social credit system, if you're able to punish someone to the point where they'll have to correct that, it can become an infringement of freedoms. If it's true that certain people are being punished for having opinions about Charlie Kirk, that, uh, you know, uh, maybe aren't in line with those that some people want you to have, then they might look at that as an infringement on freedom of speech, right? If you're getting universal basic income, you know, again, and, um, it's not a universal right, it's not something that you're entitled to, or if because it's a program run by the government, they could just decide to say, hey, we don't think you have met the criteria to receive this anymore, right? Or you violated the rules. Maybe you broke the law and a person who has a criminal record is not entitled to it, so on and so forth. But you guys, you kind of see where I'm going, you know, where I went with this, that interesting enough, these systems, when there are punishments with them, right, they can all have a very similar ring to them. Um, and so I find that quite interesting. I don't know enough about Mr. Charlie Kirk to say what he thinks of this, you know. Because he, he seemed very interesting from the information I did gather on him. Uh, so I do wonder if he would be in the mindset of he would be okay with people being able to say whatever they wish. He, you know, I, I have seen some clips, so I don't really fully know, you know, how he would react to that, but I just find that would be interesting if his opinion about the situation. I can only say in conclusion that I think people are punished for saying insensitive things, especially if they're connected to certain companies and outfits and so on, right? Certain government positions, and if they're in the military and so on. As far as college campuses go, You know, I guess that can depend in many areas, right? But I just thought that would be some interesting stuff to talk about today. Um, um, as far as political positions and things like that, uh, that's not really what the channel is about. Uh, I try to look at things from an objective standpoint. I, you know, I feel, I factor, I learn a lot more being coming at something from an angle of objectivity, right? Looking at where everybody's coming from and trying to get some understanding of their point of view, what they're saying, how they feel, and so on. And when you look at something like the social credit system where, you know, again, I don't champion social credit systems, but there are elements of it I do like. You know, I do like the, fact that you could be a good Samaritan and be rewarded for it, right? Even if nobody else does, uh, the system, the government does. I kind of like some elements of that, right? Volunteer work and so on. Uh, some things about that I like. Um, but I have in the past wonder if freedom was overrated, right? Like, for example, if your freedom, right, endangers another person, or it can, but you want the right to still be able to make that decision, right? Um, in a case like that, I wonder should you be able to make a decision like that, right? And some people will say, yeah, you should have the freedom either way to make it, uh, even if that decision can harm other people. Without getting to specifics, let's think of in the situation of a disease, right? Let's say you have a disease, but you need to be quarantined or quarantined from the rest of the population. But you feel it's your right to be able to move around, go into the city, do the things you normally do, and not be basically, you know, be able to do that, but at the danger of spreading this disease to other people, right? So in a case like that, I wonder then, is freedom overrated when it's endangering the public, right? Should you still have the right to do that even if it can kill other people, right? It seems you've taken away their freedom. And some people will say yes. And if so, uh, if, if you don't agree with that, if you say, well, you know, you shouldn't be able to do that, so now you're kind of forced to be a prisoner somewhere, or you can't go do this or that, you can't shop in stores and so on, uh, then would it be better if you had the freedom to be able to survive? You see what I'm saying? Um, and the idea of freedom and liberty, right? Freedom, uh, or I'm sorry, freedom and security, you know, it comes to the forefront. Which is the most important, right? Do you want to be have like all this freedom and there is no safety, security, to the point, uh, a lot of lives are in danger? Or would you like to have the security where you know everyone's going to be all right, but it's going to limit a lot of what you can do? And so I used to in the past in some instances go, well, the security probably is going to make sense in, in more scenarios than not, right? Because Freedom could be dangerous for a lot of situations. Freedom could mean that you're able to smoke cigarettes, get lung cancer, and die, right? And we do have the right to do that. But just 'cause you have the right to do something doesn't necessarily mean you should. But if you can, is it overrated, right? So I used to say, well, security is better. But after watching this social credit documentary, I have to step back and kind of change my mind about that and look at it like, um, you know, uh, there are good arguments for certain areas of freedom even if it could mean endangering other people's lives, right? It just is. Um, and there are good arguments where I think security works, of safety and protection of many people, right? And I guess we just have to meet somewhere in the middle with that. But that's all I got to say in this video, guys. Let me all know what you all think about topics like this. Uh, don't forget to like, subscribe to the channel if you like content like this. And as always, till next time, take care of yourselves and be good to one another.