Cheryl Hines Speaks Out: What She Really Said About the RFK Jr. Affair Rumors

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But I was reading online things that I was reading about Cheryl Hines. Now some of you may not care about Cheryl Hines at all. I find her to be a very mid actress. I don't even call her. I mean she's like an improv person. Great, you know, with kirby enthusiasm. But other than that she's kind of like. But she she's married to RFK Jr. I don't know if anybody. You're in danger, girl. So you saw my. You saw my. You saw my. My real. My post? Anyone, Any female who gets involved with RFK Jr. Danger. Danger. So for Cheryl Hines, now, Cheryl Hines was married rfk. Okay, let me go through my notes. Let me. Let me not. I don't want to be ADHD about this. Okay. Espresso martini. It was good. I'll be honest. It was good. Okay, so what we'll do is we're going to talk. I. I just want to pull out some of the quotes from Cheryl Hines and from RFK and from the sexting woman, just so you guys can play along with me, so you can see how my PR BR brain works. And at the end, if you want. Guys want to talk about anything else, we can talk about anything else because we're going to wrap because the World Series is tonight. All right? Oh, my gosh. First game of the World Series was unbelievable. All right, so Cheryl Hines. Like, why Cheryl Hines? He's horrible. I. I totally agree with you. Now, as I said, I always like to. I always like to show if I have a bias with anything. And where you guys know that I'm coming from here is my personal bias. I am not a big Kennedy hype girl by any means. As an Irish Catholic girl, we were taught to revere the Kennedys. Okay, fine. Jfk, our first Irish Catholic president. Gotcha. Whatever. But anyone who's done even a little bit scratching the surface on that family. So there's kind of the first generation, which are, you know, Joseph P. Kennedy and then all the kids. Now we're at 3G, which is the third generation Kennedys. And they're all. Just. Not all of them. But it's kind of a messy family now, and it's so big, you can't even keep track of anyone. But RFK has been problematic, you know, and, you know, his father, you know, Robert Kennedy, you know, was assassinated. That's very. It was. And tragic. And someone, especially for someone that age. But Ethel, just the mother kind of like, let the kids kind of go in a way, and it showed. Okay, so now. So RFK junior Runs, Wants to run for a president. He's a long shot now, is Trump's HHS secretary. So last September, he's being interviewed by Olivia Nutsey. Olivia Nutsey was working as, like, a freelance journalist for the New Yorker. Neck. Last September, it was revealed that she had a. As a. As a. Had a digital relationship with him. Like a sexting. A sexting relationship. Now RFK has. Oh God, I have so many notes on this. RFK has dated or not. I can't even call it dated. That's, that's giving him to the benefit of the doubt. But his life has been, has been messy for a long time. His first wife, he cheated on her with the second wife. Second wife he gaslit into, so she's no longer with us. Cheryl Hines and the second wife, there's a little bit of an overlap there. Cheryl Hines does not want you to know about that overlap. But then Cheryl got divorced. Divorced and rfk, now they're together. So now those two are married. Now let's, let's fast forward this a little. Okay, Here are my notes. I'm sorry. Emily Black, Mary Richardson. Okay, so a leak diary. RFK Jr so you are Cheryl Hines. Imagine dating someone who is married to a woman who's no longer with us. She was just pressured into oblivion by him. She found a list on his phone of 43 mistresses. And this is also kind of the Kennedy way of life. And he coded everything. Now I will explain the nutsy sexting relationship in a moment, but did you guys know this? While all this Olivia Nutzy stuff was happening about there, she was interviewing him. These two carry on in a fair, but it was digital. There was no physical contact. But Mediaite said that at least three women are claiming to have had romantic relationships with Kennedy in the same year that he was with Nutsy married to Cheryl Hines. So. And then apparently people close to Donald Trump, they were worried because they didn't want the cheating scandal to affect Trump because Trump and Epstein see how it all gets messy. So everything was already kind of swirling around with them anyway. So then RFK announces his run, drops out. Then In September of 2024, Olivia Nutcy, Nutcy political correspondent, New York magazine, confirms that her communication with RFK Jr became, and I'm quoting her personal. She insists nothing physical happened, but admits to intimate messaging. So I think she also sent photos of herself. Okay. She was also in a. She was engaged to Ryan Lizza, who was a reporter for Political. And Political has been all over the place nowadays with, with their reporting. I mean, they did the, the texting, the young Republicans texting leak story, which was incredible. So last September, Cheryl Hines shows up in Milan for a fashion week in Milan. No ring shows up with. I think, and I forgot to confirm this. I think, think kick Kennedy Jr. RFK's daughter. Not. She's not a junior, but Kick Kennedy named After her great aunt K. Kennedy, they. She was there, but no ring for Cheryl Hines. So that is a PR move. Like when you do that, when you know you're going to be photographed. And she was. If you look at video, she was waving with her left hand. No ring. So she was sending a message. Okay. And a very clear one. Now let's fast forward to now. Two big things happening for Cheryl Hines. So she had a book that came out unscripted, and she's talking about her life, what, everything, because now she's in the spotlight. So being married to RFK gives her kind of a push. Like I said, I think she's mid. She's like a mid actress. She'd probably be. You guys tell me, Cheryl Hines C, B minus B if I'm being. If, you know, if I'm being charitable on her. But now, because she's married to him, people are interested. That's why she got a book deal. So nothing much comes out of the book. But she had a podcast with Tig Nuro for years. I think it was 2014 is when it first came out. Cher, Tig Nataro. She's on Tom Papa's podcast, It's the Breaking Bread podcast. And they're talking about everything. And then she starts talking about Cheryl. And she said they had a podcast, it was really kind of cute and funny, where they would talk about documentaries that they would watch together. And Tig said, and we made each other laugh so hard, and I love documentaries, and it was fun to watch documentaries every week. But also we would ask each other things like, who are you attracted to? And it was actually funny. Like, the two of them were kind of laughing a lot. But then when RFK and mentioned his run, that's when. That's when she said, I just felt like I needed to step away because there are beliefs that are like a gnat on the arms. And years ago, and they were getting more and more to the spotlight. So she said, she was like, I can't. I can't. I just don't trust it. And. And Cheryl Hines wanted her to kind of separate the two of them and say, you know, we can do this. And then Tignataro said, no. Like, once the differences were, like, minor irritations. But then she said became impossible ignore. And I don't blame her at all. But that shows, like, Cheryl Hines is making very, very big moves to. To be with this guy. You know, things are really happening to her. But so Nutsy now is coming out with a book. So this is going to be not great, because why does Nutsy get a book? Does anybody really care about her? No, nobody really cares about her. But most people only know Cheryl from Curb. Exactly. She was great on Curb, but not. Not much else. I. C minus. Okay. I feel like she hides out. Yes, a B minus. Okay, good. The only intimate relationship I can understand having with him would be through text. Can you imagine the voice seduce. Oh, I know that's awful. But it's so true. Lizza was a chief pres. The chief correspondent for the New York Times, but stepped down because of the scandal. No. I thought he was at Politico. Are you telling me that he's at New York? I'm almost positive he was at Politico. Every time he talks about it being digital, I can think of as the Bernie road trip. It's not cheating. I know. If you only did this with administration, that would make him resign from his position. Oh yes, I know. Cheryl is Teemo. Christine Brandt's. I don't know. I don't know. But okay, so now Nuts, he comes out. So she has a book that's coming out. Why is Nuts he getting a publication deal? Like why Nobody cares. Right. But if rfk, that's why she's getting it. And it also. Nuts, he's going to talk about what happened with her and RFK Jr. Now, it could lead to a bunch of nothing. Now rfk, Let me give you rfk. Let me read the statements from both sides. So. So last September. So New York magazine came out, this is last September, saying it's Washington correspondent is on leave after learning the star journalist had allegedly engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a reporting subject. That's accurate. That person is rfk. Okay, so quote, recently our Washington correspondent Olivia Nuts, he acknowledged to the magazine's editor that she engaged in a personal relationship with. Personal. That's it. She's called personal with. Oh, where did my. Where did you guys go? Hold on a second. Hold on. I lost you guys. There you go. Sorry, I lost you guys for a moment. Well, damn. I. You guys have too many things. Too many things. Had the magazine been aware of this relationship, she would not have continued to cover the campaign. Blah, blah, blah. So she said during that time, I did not directly report on the subject nor use them as a source. The relationship was never physical, but should have been disclosed to prevent the appearance of a conflict. I deeply regret not doing so immediately and apologize to those I've disappointed, especially my colleagues at New York. And then a representative for Kennedy told a magazine Mr. Kennedy only met Olivia Nutzi once in his life for an interview she requested, which yielded a hit piece, the spokesperson said, and that was it. So it actually is pretty surprising that there wouldn't be. I mean, honestly, it's surprising that there wouldn't be a relationship between the two. I mean, it actually really does surprise me. But. So let's just quickly go to Cheryl Hines and then we'll move on to other topics that you like. So now this book is coming out. Sadly, Cheryl Hines, like the administration. No wonder RFK was so. Ask Casino's wife, Cheryl, when he was running. Oh, exactly, exactly. So now she has this book coming out. I don't know what she's going to reveal in it, but the White House, the administration wants nothing to do with it because no one wants to be reminded of the obvious. That RFK Jr. Not only is, like, crazy, but he. He is horrible to women. He's absolutely horrible to women. And all these cheating stories that. That they were able to do away with before because RFK likely went back to Cheryl and went, please, please, please, please, please. It's going to bring it back. And negativity on RFK is going to create more negativity. And when you talk about sexting, everything is going to go straight up to Epstein. So the White House does not want this. So that's why they bring out Cheryl Hines to be on the Katie Miller podcast. Katie Miller, who is married to a demon of a man who I think is Stephen Miller, just, like, awful. So this is what she said. Sorry. Oh, my gosh. Where am I showing articles? Oh, my gosh. Sorry, you guys. I have so many things going on. Okay, here we go. People magazine. Okay, now, so this podcast is coming out tomorrow. So. And there was a sneak peek of her upcoming performance. They had to leak this ahead of time so they could already frame it because they don't necessarily want people to listen to the entire podcast. They just want to highlight. So this is like a PR move. They want to highlight certain quotes that came from it. And here are some of the quotes that they had. Okay, so it was obtained by the Political Playbook. Hind shared how she learned of the sexting scandal, which reportedly happened while Nutsy was covering. We already talked about that quote. This from show Hines. Bobby had been running for president. And it was an exhausting year and a half of headlines and rumors and articles and chaos. It's just like Taylor Swift called things chaos. And at that time I thought, okay, this is more chaos and more rumors. And it was a lot. Now it's Framed as chaos and rumors. That's what she wants to do. But I think there's a projection of truth there, because Cheryl Hines has every reason to think RFK Jr. And Anthony Weiner are cut from the same cloth. Honestly, Anthony Weiner doesn't even hold a candle to RFK Jr. Honestly. Doesn't even hold a candle. That's how bad RFK Jr. Is, is because Cheryl knows that he's a cheater. She knows and believes 100 what happened. Not only does she believe 100 that what happened with Nutsy, she probably thinks that something more happened. And they both kind of agreed just to not be more about it. She knows her husband is a scamp. She knows this. That's why the ring was off. That's why. So then she said, you know, when asked about the scandal on the podcast, she says, quote, I think you always have to consider the source, right? So that's where I start, she said. And then it ends with the conversation with Bobby. So these are very interesting lines. When you first read it. On the surface, she's dodging it, right? And she's doing a very typical deflection where someone says they. They blame the messenger and they play more of the victim. Like, all those people are out to get us. Like, for instance, the east wing is being demolished. Stephen Miller, husband of Katie Miller, goes out and says, you think this is bad. What? The radical left is going out and defacing art and saying horrible things about everything is like, oh, my God, they're throwing anything to a wall that will stick. It's crazy. It makes. It doesn't make any sense. But she's kind of doing the same playbook where she's saying, you have to consider the stores. They want to denounce her. But unlike a woman who might have a little bit of flus attached to her or kind of be sketching, this woman is a journalist. She's a credible now. She works for Vanity Fair. She's a tough one to denounce. And the fact that she came out and admitted it, she lost an engagement, her and Ryan Lizza, when it got into a whole legal thing, because he's the one allegedly, who leaked it. Because he found out about it. He got so pissed, he leaks it. Being horrible to women is a prereq to be in this administration so amply named. Oh, Carlos Danger. Thank you for that. I totally forgot about Carlos Danger. That's hysterical. That is hysterical. I love that. That was his online pseudonym. That was very funny. So now they want. Now they want to denounce Olivia Nudcy. But it's going to be tough because she has a whole book to back it up. And then it ends with a conversation with Bobby. And there it's like, I think she's being honest. She's being honest. Like she's in the spin of the podcast. She's saying, you know, then Bobby and I come together and talk about how they're attacking us and they're rumors and they're not true. But really she's sitting down with Bobby saying, bobby, again, you're doing this to me again. And then she said, quote, I don't know this person. Probably true. Don't know their intentions. True. She said of Nutsy, I could guess, but I won't. But you can if you want. See, she doesn't say anything. So this is a way where you can kind of speak out of both sides of your mouth. She's playing along with the Playbook. She's on the Katie Miller Plot podcast. She's playing a lot the Playbook. But if you really listen to what she's saying, she's kind of projecting a lot of the truth there too. After her relationship with RFK Jr went public in 2024, nuts. He shared a statement admitting that the nature of some communication between herself and a former reporting soldier subject turned personal and then said it wasn't physical. And the following month, a source told People that Hines had barely spoken to Kennedy following the news going public. See, Cheryl Hines put the word into People magazine. She was pissed at Bobby. Pissed. And it worked. She's embarrassed because he got caught. The source said. You want to know who the source is? That's, that's coming straight from Cheryl Heinz. It's Cheryl Heinz. So she's already busted Bobby and, and also over this. That's why it's more than those two just texting. You know that. It's more. In August 2025, interview with the Wall Street Journal. Oh, that article. Heinz and Kennedy refused to comment on the sexing scandal directly, but presented a united front as Heinz tiptoed around the subject. That's when she got reeled back in by RFK and also this administration. I don't think there's any point to, to going through every rumor and headline to try and defend or explain it. The actress said, Bobby and I talk about everything. So that's how we move through everything. And we're really good friends and we trust each other. That is a lie. That is a bold faced lie. She does not trust him. In her own recently published memoir and Scripted. Heinz paints her marriage on a positive. In a positive life. One would deduce that we love each other and are still married and whatever we've been through is behind us. Isn't that a weird quote? One would deduce not. We love each other and we're still married and whatever we've been through is behind us. It's one would deduce. Okay, so what are our takes away in this? Is that the Heinz PR playbook is she responds without responding. Daisy Mae, Benny and Juno. Why does she stay with them? Because I think she got divorced for him. That's the first thing no one wants to admit. Fault. No one wants to admit they made a mistake. That's the number one thing to the Kennedy thing. I mean, after all, Taylor Swift did it with RFK Jr's son, Connor. C O N R And Taylor Swift. Connor was a lot younger. He was 17 when Taylor Swift was was dating him. There's the poll of the Kennedy allure. And also it elevated her status without rfk. Cheryl Hines is. What's your Heinz doing? Right? I believe as Chris. I believe she thinks she trusts him. I bet she tries. I bet she tries. She's trying hard to appease everyone needs to be in Bobby's circle and desperately doesn't want to lose her Hollywood friends. You're right. But she is losing her Hollywood friends. But she is losing her Hollywood friends. Okay, guys, so here's my assessment. The Heinz response, technically precise. Everything she says is precise but hollow. Because if you really pay attention, she's kind of telling the truth. But she doesn't want to admit that she knows, like, my husband is the worst. But I can't say that I got to go along with this administration. So. Because she wants to preserve dignity to herself, but also to the Kennedy name and also, you know, RFK has ostracized himself from so many people in the family. He's got to be all in. And Cheryl Hines doesn't want to be out. So she is sidestepping the truth. 100. So in PR terms, what do you guys think? Does she succeed or does she not? Like, is it a win? Theoretically, we are still in love, right? I know. It's so bad. It's super embarrassing for her that she went into this marriage being that stupid. I know, but I think he must have a way. He just must have a way. The Kennedy thing is so tainted now. I totally agree with you. I totally agree. Prenup. That's right. Legally, what going down there? We don't know. We don't know, Heinz. Messages awkwardly delivered. She probably is getting a big pail forever. You're married. Oh, Alice. Interesting. Yeah. Because you almost want to say there's got to be something in it for her. Right? Right. Thank you. See, sorry but Anthony Wiener was far worse when they found child corn. Oh, wait a minute. Was there. I don't remember that. Was there. I thought. I thought it was just women. I. I don't remember that. Let's check Carlos Danger on the laptop. Oh, what a mess that was Uma. Oh, well, here we go. He sent. Oh, do you remember the photo? Oh, remember the carless Danger photo? Oh God, how bad that was with the underwear shot. I don't remember. So she. He sent it to a 21 year old. Following report the Daily Mail. The FBI investigated Wiener for sexting with a 15 year old girl. Okay. He was sentenced to 21 months in prison. He was in Massachusetts. I remember that. I remember driving by going hey, Anthony. I don't see anything about that. But maybe the 15 year old. Maybe that's what you were thinking. I don't see anything. Yeah, I don't see anything about that part. Divorce will happen once RFK is out of office. I don't know how she could say in a long term. But also sometimes when you. You sign a deal with the devil, right. I'd say it's a win. I think she's communicating what how she wants. It's not making her look bad. We all know the truth. I'm gonna. I'm gonna hold you for one second there, Louise. Caleb, I feel like for the mega side it will work. Milani and Donald are not loving whatsoever. But their united front tends to work for their base. All right. So I see Heinz and RFK doing the same. Interesting. Interesting. I think Wieners last week Sandal. Yes. After this administration she will still be tainted with mega stink. Aptly put. She's trying to play both sides of the table and we'll succeed in either. We're. Aptly put. Aptly put. Yes. She's trying to do it all. That's what I'm thinking. Because a prenup has some clause she wants to fulfill first. Oh, that's interesting. That's interesting. That's interesting. The wordies who thinks she fails. I think she isn't trying for when I think she's trying to get back to neutral. Yeah, that's true. What is the end goal? Is it a win or she just. She's just trying to get through. Right? She's just trying to get through. So I will say, like, closest to Skakel. Tell me what you mean by Skakel jeans. The whole Skakel, the Martha Moxley of it all. Her vocabulary is so disconnected from emotion. Oh, so well said. You're right. You're 100% right. You don't want to think about the photo. You don't want to think about the Anthony Weiner photo. Again, it's not like Cheryl was getting so many acting gigs once Curb was done. This is probably her next best gig. I totally agree with you. Because Cheryl Hines is an improv person. Like, she was an improv class. She was in improv class. Does anyone want to guess who she was in improv class with? Someone who was incredibly famous and rich. Someone who was fired from one show and she got picked up on the next show, and they were together in the same improv. Anyone want to guess who that is? So Cheryl's lucky that she got Curb, but yeah, I totally agree. I don't think she would. I mean, she had a couple other parts here and there. She will dump them when this is over. Maybe. Hey, Olivia. This situation is reminding me of the blonde lady that was Trump's mouthpiece last administration. And her husband was a liberal mouthpiece. Help me out. Who is that? And are they still married? You were thinking of Kellyanne Conway. Adam Sandler. Why are you bringing up Adam Sandler? Tell me. Oh, Seinfeld. Amy. Oh. Oh, my guess is hello. No, not Adam Sandler. Not Amy Poehler. No, but Amy Poehler is a great guest because she's a big improv person. No, not. Oh, Tracy Ullman. No, but remember the Tracy Ullman song? They Don't Know about us. And Paul McCartney was in the last scene. That is the Conway's and George Conway. Yes, it's Kellyanne Conway. Remember Kellyanne and George Conway's daughter? I don't remember her name. Start with a C. Not Claudette or something. She. She was going off on her mom. Do you guys remember all that? The daughter. Oh, so good. Kellyanne Conway and her husband are separated. They could be divorced, but I know they're not long. No, they're no longer together. For those with genuine insight, she absolutely fails who's buying it. Oh, I like that, too. Caveat. If you have genuine insight, Kellyanne. Yeah, see, it all comes back, doesn't it? It all comes back. So. No, not Tig. So Tig has disavowed and Hurt and Cheryl Hines are really, really close. And that's what, in that podcast is what kept Cheryl Hines kind of in the Hollywood milieu, if you will. Kellyanne Conway and her alternative fact sets. Right. Definitely getting a lot of reminders. These things I'd rather forget. Yeah, I remember her on Meet the Press telling Chuck Todd alternate facts. George has a podcast. I think you're right. I think you're right. I think he does. No, but see if you can guess it. Not Larry David. It's a female. She started an improv with this female who had a huge hit first Hollywood, big hire, fired and then got. Then got hired after fired, after fire. And so I'm sure Cyril Hines was looking at this person going, not Taylor Swift. Oh, we'll talk about Taylor Swift. We'll go to Taylor Swift next. Not Tina Fey. You guys, I'm sorry to do this to you, but I have to do it. Huge name, ensemble, cast. Not Ellen. Ellen. Not Ellen. Jordan with the win. Lisa Kudrow. Lisa Kudrow and Cheryl Hines got their start at the same time in the ground lanes. Oh, Julia Louis Dreyfus. That's a good guess. Lisa Kudrow. So they got their. They got their start in the same times. Look at Lisa Kudrow. Look at Cheryl Heinz. Because Cheryl Hines was good. And what made Cheryl Heinz good enough to knock on her? Totally. But Larry David made Cheryl Hines good. Cheryl Hines wasn't good. Just on her own. Right. So that's what I say. So I love all your takes, you guys. That. It could be prenup. It could be. She's just in it till after the administration, until he's finished. So that's that. All right, so that wraps. Oh, wait, let me see my. Wait, My final thing on Cheryl Hines, though. I do have a line. Okay. Cheryl Hines. Oh, I got your answers when I said, how'd she do? I agree with all of you. They came up with Conan, too. Conan and Lisa Kudrow dated Caleb. Lisa Kudrow show. The comeback is such underrated masterpiece. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely on that. Absolutely on that. So Cheryl Hines, in my opinion, actually every single person who commented on it, I agree. 1, 100. Everything that you guys say, I agree with all of it. I actually am going to call hers a bit of a win because all she has to do is just get through. That's it. I think she's fighting for her life, personally. Like, I don't think it's the professional piece. She cares about the professional piece, but right now she's just trying to get through it. She's doing whatever she can. Oh. Oh. We'll talk about this very quickly. Lori Laughlin and Massimo Divorce. If. Can I talk about this? I will say that I had a client tied. Diversity blues. And I'll leave it at that. So that's why when it all happened, I did a podcast on Lori lan. When all this went down and John Stamos trashing Massimo. Oh, my gosh. Oh, I won't put up there, but that is one of the. I gotta find it. I have to show it. Oh, is that a bug? I have to show this real quick. If I can get it up. John Stamos. Let's see if I can. If I can get the video up in 10 seconds, I'll show it to you guys. Second work. Okay. It's all coming up with other crap, but yeah. So, Massimo. So the whole Varsity Blues thing, that's when in terms of people, well known people. Lori Laughlin, her husband. Oh, my God, my brain's going back. I'm like dusting off the cobwebs on this one. I mean, they lied on the application. Oh, God. Now I gotta bring it up. I already forgot the guy's name. What's the guy's name? But so many people got my Varsity Blues. FBI. Felicity Huffman got wrapped up in it, so it was Operation Varsity Blues. That's what the FBI called it. So let me go to Varsity Blue Scandals. Okay, what was the guy's name? Oh, God. Oh, my gosh. There's so much here. I can't find the guy's name, but. Oh, so involved. Party. Oh, Rick Singer. Rick Singer, Yeah. Felicity Huffman's all coming back. And honestly, Felicity Huffman and Lori Laughlin, they deserve to come back. They deserved it. They took accountability. Back when we had a real FBI. Could you imagine if Cash Patel was running this thing? Felicity Huffman and Lori Laughlin, both of them, you know, both of them went to prison for it. Both of them took accountability for it, but both of them got kind of caught up in the system where this Rick Singer said, if you pay me, I can help you get into these schools. And parents sometimes will do anything, you know, for their kids. Not to say that it was right, but John Stamos came out and basically said, lord, I think I'm quoting John Stamos. I think Lori Laughlin went to prison for that. And I height of shameless. William H. Macy. Yes. That's the husband. That's Felicity's husband. Is. How is Stamo? Still good looking. Well, help. Right? But still, it looks good. I've had a hard time believing it was all Massimo. Okay, Olivia. So fair. I'm not Saying it's all Massimo too. But I think Lori Laughlin, when you're in relationships with powerful, narcissistic men, they convince you to do things. Now, I will say, since I worked in it, I know how this singer operated. And when singer went to parents, it was set in a way where if you wanted to justify it in your head, where you knew it's not right, but he said it in a way where you could justify it, like, okay, that, that makes sense and it's fair, and then you just pay for it. How it was explained, and if you had kind of a bullying type, powerful husband in that mix and you were Lori Laughlin, you're just going to get swept into it. So that's what John Stamos was saying. And I totally believe that based on what I know was so. And strangely too, a good friend of mine knew someone else who got arrested from it as well. Just. That's just like random. I happen to know someone who did it, so you can see how. But Felicity Huffman, you know, but admit it. You know, she admitted let Lori Lavin go back to doing her little Hallmark gigs in peace. Absolutely. I totally agree. What about the guy changing the SAT scores, right? Yeah. And they had other people. Do you remember all this, you guys? They had other people taking the test for them. What was Huffman's excuse? I hope you're not going to tell me that. No, William H. Macy is not a bad dude. He is a very good dude. They have a. He had nothing to do with it. That's the other thing. Because even if he did, Felicity Huffman said my husband had nothing to do with it. This is a reason why we like Felicity Huffman. This is the reason. Because their kind of marriage. I would be shocked if William H. Macy didn't know anything about it. But again, because I know these things because I was involved, how Rick Singer convinced these parents to do was still selfish and they were wrong. But he said it in a way as it was told to me. He said it in a way that it was between. Right. And everybody else kind of does this. Like, this is how it's done. But she admitted it because she got caught. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, she did. And that's the thing. Here's the thing about why Felicity Huffman, why we love her for this. She admitted it. She fully came out and admitted it. I was wrong. I wanted my daughter to get ahead. She explained it and it would be straight out of which, if I remember correctly, I did the podcast about it years ago. It was Straight out of my playbook. That's what you have to do. And it wasn't. She wasn't getting out of prison, but she didn't go that long. And the farther. The further away you get from it. People forget. Did he make it sound like it wasn't illegal? Yes, Louise. That's what this guy did. That's what this guy. Well, everyone else is doing it. Why shouldn't I quote. Yeah, exactly. And I think how it was phrased, I can't remember because this has been a while. This has been at least two years since I worked on this with a client. I'm on the outside, so I'm hearing it, and I'm going really like, they didn't see it. But I can be empathetic enough in my role where I thought, oh, if I was that mom, and I desperately wanted my kid to get ahead. And also, the athlete piece was in there as well. And you're told this is kind of how you do it. And if you pay it, like, he was making it seem like too, like, oh, the school, like, USC kind of backdoors it because USC was backdoor in it because the head of. It wasn't the head of admissions, but the sports, the person involved, you know, who has all the scholarships, they were in on it too. He gave them plausible deniability. Rebecca, thank you for saying it. It. Articulating it a whole lot better than I did. Thank you. Yeah. So that's what went down. How do we even get out here? Oh, Lori Laughlin. So thanks for bringing that up. So Lori Loffman. Laughlin, like, same thing. But William H. Macy, I think is a good dude. The Massimo sounds just like a horror show. An absolute horror show. Okay. And the drive for a parent to do almost anything for their child, it seemed like normal, especially if you're in the competitive environment where everybody has to go to a good school and all that. I have children. I can't say I wouldn't do it. It's wrong, but I can't. I can see how it could justify. Michelle, thank you for saying, oh, the athletic director. Thank you, Alice. I mean, my kids all played sports. We were dealing with recruiters. We were dealing with the same thing. When it came down to, you know, my daughter for hockey, and it was coming down to SAT scores and all this. God, I think if someone dangled to me, well, if you do this, this is a way to get that I. I'm not. That I would do it. I wouldn't do it. But if you had money And, I don't know, Lori's daughter handled it poorly. Well, you could imagine in her live content from college. Oh, my God, it's all coming back to me. Do you remember that girl's content? Wasn't she on the president of universities yacht when she found out? Maybe. I can't remember that, but do you remember the video that they showed? Like, that she was just using her home row machine. And I have friends. Like, I have a friend whose daughter's a D1 crew athlete and think, oh, my God, that girl got in filming it from her phone. Take accountability and give the pub. The public a second. They'll forget a hundred percent. You got that? This wasn't new. How did Rob Kardashian get into USC with poor grades? When is the book coming out? Whose book? Yes. So bad. Did your daughter play ice hockey? She did, but she ended up getting recruited for soccer, but thank you for asking. And then she played on the men's hockey team. The club team. So thank you for asking. Okay, you guys, so a couple more minutes. What else were we talking about? There was in the Tick Tock Live, people did mention Taylor Swift and the. And the lightning bolt necklace thing. They thought it looked like Nazi paraphernalia. I did not think so at all. I think it just looked like really, really hideous necklace. But that's just me. So that was the Taylor thing that came up. The other thing that came up was Nicole Kidman doing her revenge walk a la Diana. Princess Diana. USC has murky reputation. College counselor circles, I believe that. And also USC is the highest. I think the most expensive college private school in the nation. So you can imagine. Do you think Taylor and Blake are still friends secretly? Will Blakely at the wedding? I. That's a hard one to call. So I was talking on the Tick Tock Live. So I mentioned this last week. People were asking me, how'd you feel about being named in that audio? So I don't know if you guys saw that audio, the leak audio, that the woman, Claire, who's the producer. Writer. Producer. That she secretly taped the head of Wayfair, like an audio call. And she sounds. She comes out sounding horrible. But my DMs blew up because so many people were telling me that. That I was mentioned in it. And I freaked out because I thought it was a phone call that I've taken around that case and someone secretly recorded me. So I had a little bit of a panic moment. And then the. And then in the end, they were only referring to me and saying that I was great and awesome. And then they said that I was in my 50s and I thought that's an odd qualifier to add in the leaked audio tape. But yeah, for Blake, I think Blake will wake up or is waking up right now. And she will. Her and Brian will. Ryan will not. Will not survive this as a couple. At some point, that will go away and Blake will try her best to get back, but I don't know if she'll ever give it Taylor Swift. I don't think tree pain is going to let her do anything huge with Blake again. They don't want that taint at all. Okay, we're gonna cover the NBA. NBA gambling stuff. I mean, not really, because I don't know what much there is to say about it other than I'm surprised it didn't swallow more people. The NBA is lucky it did not swallow up bigger names, bigger coaches, bigger players. But that's an incredible story because also it gets into the whole gambling piece. When you get into gambling and professional sports and college sports, it gets messy. Messy. Lily Allen, the drama there. So to be honest, I gotta tell you, when I saw the Lily Allen, David Harbour. So he, the husband, apparently been carrying on this affair with someone for years or months. Was it months or years? I think it was a couple years. And. And so just found out and Lily Allen has a new album coming out. I didn't know about any of this. Ali knew Lily Allen from years ago when she was like, all over the tabloids. So I really can't talk about it at all. But she has a new album out. This. This is what drives new albums. This is like, oh, a la Taylor Swift, right? Like, oh, there's going to be things in here about a woman going through pain about a cheating ex. Let me listen. So it's very good PR for Lily Allen. It looks like Sears 1979. Julie for high schoolers. Meg Leahy. I am seconding you on that Taylor Swift review of that jewelry. That jewelry is so hideous. And that's why when some fans are saying that she's making just a play for money, look no further than that absolutely hideous necklace. I feel like Taylor and Blake are definitely still friends. Could definitely see those two being similar personality wise. Okay, fair, respectful. I can't tell deep on it. But I don't think Taylor Swift personally, don't come at me. I don't think she is. I interviewed a journalist who, who interviewed her when she was 14 and 16 and when she was really, really young. She was really good. I gotta reach out to her again. I gotta do an interview with her. We were talking about Taylor. I think Taylor had a bit of that stunted, you know, because she's been in this game for so long. I don't think she has normal relationships. That's not to knock her. It's just reality. So I don't think she. I think all her relationships, and especially how can they not be when you're in this world of entertainment? So many relationships and entertainment are performative. Relationships. Relationships. Right. They're transactional. They're transactional relationships. And that's. I. I think a big part of Blake and Taylor was transactional. That's just my opinion. Not saying this is a big Taylor fan, but just saying as someone who's been around the block and been watching this for a while. But I don't disagree with you, Alec. I. I could support what you're saying there. I just personally don't see them as close. And I also don't think that Tree Payne Taylor's publicist, wants her anywhere near. How does the NBA recover from betting scandal? I. You know, that's why they want the story to go away so fast. They need it to go away. They do. Any updates on Diddy? No, they're trying to reduce sign. That's all. Because he just came up on my thing. In this current climate, it feels very out of touch for Taylor to put out anything that could be construed. Oh, I want you to finish your thought, Michelle. Oh, very cool. One of my nanny kids. Oh. One of my nanny kids was at Phillips Exeter and then Middlebury and women's hockey. Oh, interesting. Along the same time. Yeah. My daughter spoke with me. Phillips Exitor. Not Middlebury, but Phillips Exitor. Oh, that's interesting. I feel like father figure could be about Blake. Could be. Oh. Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry. So the same. The same person who interviewed Taylor Swift, who I was telling you about, the reporter, she interviewed Katy Perry, too. And she was telling me this is on one of my live. No. Was it alive or just a podcast? She was saying it's Vanessa Gary Otis. She was saying that she was interviewing Katy Perry. She said that Russell Brand was craze crazy. She felt sorry for Katy Perry. Katy Perry was trying to make the normal of it. And so I'm mixed on Katy Perry because Katy Perry also was trying to kick the nuns off the lands, which talk about bad karma. Like, why would you do that? That's bad juju to do that. And I feel like karma's coming back for Katy Perry in that way. The Blue Origin thing. What a massive miscalculation on Katy Perry's part. So, Justin Trudeau, we don't see this lasting, but you know, you know to Katy Perry. Why not? She. She needs this right now. How Stephen A. Smith still around after his crazy stuff earlier since year. I know, but you know, you got a name, you got a contract. People know him. He's like. He's the personality, right? You don't think they're done rounding up NBA people? I agree with you, but I. I personally would think. Think that the big names would have already come out by now, personally. Unless the FBI. Cash Patel's FBI is trying to kind of smoke them out a bit. Like maybe they don't have full evidence on other players, former players, coaches, whatever. Maybe. But that's just. I don't know my gut. My brother in law used to be an FBI agent. And now David harbor is about to go on a press tour for Stranger Things. I know. His team is scrambling. 100 scrambling. A hundred percent scrambling. Okay, I. Olivia, I'm gonna listen to Lily. I'm gonna listen to the album. I'm just gonna do it. I wouldn't want any distractions at my wedding such as having Blake there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. How you know Blake Lively will not be at the Taylor Swift wedding is because the Taylor Swift wedding needs to be about Taylor Swift, not about Blake Lively. That's how, you know, I. I take my chip in Vegas and put it down on that. Put a hundred dollars on that. Hundred thousand dollars on that. I could swear by it. My pal worked with a woman. Oh, I love this. Whenever there's inside stuff. My pal worked with a woman Lily Allen's ex was cheating on with. Oh, wow. All on set. New. He eventually left a woman a wad of cash to justify that it wasn't an affair. And she was done. That so tracks, doesn't it? That's how it's done. The entire merch draw for Ophelia was hit. It was hideous. I believe it after seeing that necklace. Your pal worked with a woman, Lily. Oh, fascinating. So do you know anything more about him? Taylor better have a prenup. Oh, can you imagine the prenup that both of those. That her and Kelsey both have? Oh my God, she's written about it. I was so ahead of the curve. The curve became the sphere left behind all my classmates and ended up here. Is that Lily? I gotta listen. Taylor said she used to have Blake's kids listen to our songs first before they came out. Believe it. Half believe it. Don't believe it. You know what I mean. You just don't know. I think the biggest part of Taylor Swift's personality is being a chameleon. Before I even keep reading Rebecca, I'm gonna have to agree with you on that. And adapting her. Oh, I. Oh, I love that Will said chameleon. And adapting herself to whatever people she's around. Yep. This Kansas City mega version. I think you meant maga. Right? This Kansas City mega version is probably my least favorite iter. I would say this about the mega. The Taylor Swift mega. This is the one that she has had to work the hardest around. Right. Her reputation era is now navigating all of that. And don't forget Taylor has like a legit 10th grade education. Well, yeah, I mean, she went to high school. She was already a professional. But here's the thing. She could be academically not so smart, but strategically, she's smart. You. You cannot be at the lengths that she is and not be smart. I think you can see awkward a lot of the time. Yes, I. Ghislaine Maxwell claims to have had sex with George Clooney. Really? Does that track? It could. Blue Origin reminded me of Gayle King posting that pick with Jesse Waters. You're right. But then again, the. The network Inc. Anchors have such rarefied air. I don't even think. I don't even think Gayle King was even thinking like that. She's like, oh, look at us, you know, up here. Oh, so bad. Father figures about Scott B. Yeah, I read that. I didn't love that song. Construed as something with the Nazi symbol. White supremacist coated. Yeah, the. The lightning bolts, which. But there are a million lightning bolts everywhere. I put together an entire marketing deck on how Katie could revive her career after all these steps. Oh my God. I have to absolutely love that. Oh my God, it's so funny, Caleb. Just like Selena wedding was about her. You didn't really know Taylor was there, right, Alice? Not that Well, I should say. It's not that. I did deep, deep, deep on that wedding. But you're right. The coverage on that. You're right. I agree with you on that. Page Six said David harbor was at Disneyland with Lily Ellen's kids and had photos. I'd love to know though. But what is that? Was that part of his play? Stranger Things. Get a lot of PR from this. You're right. Any publicity is good publicity. You're right. Justin true likes astronauts. Is Katie really an astronaut? He was sleeping with makeup artists on the set in New York City. She told me late last Christmas. Okay. Tracks right. Took the money and ran. Why not? I think she has to answer for those issues. And I love her, but I won't take the feet off the fire. Ooh. I don't even know who we're talking about anymore. I saw the long pong videos of Taylor from folklore days. Holy moly. Right? She was a different person then. She's. She's a genius. That's not up for debate in the world of marketing. I agree. Oh, the Ghislaine news. Okay, tmz. Oh, George Clooney does not need this. Oh, oh, oh. Let me share this. How much time do I have left? A couple more minutes. Oh. Oh. George Clay calls BS on Lauren. Sex allegations in Virginia Giuffre's Gifra memoir. George Clooney was reportedly boiling with anger after reading scandalous claims made against him in Virginia Guffe's group's Goofy's go free posthumous memoir. In Nobody's Girl. La la la, she alleges Galain once claimed she performed a sex act on but a Hollywood associate, Clay her stories bs. Yes. They insisted he never met G. Maxwell in his life, and he's horrified his name has been dragged into this. They continue calling the allegations a grotesque fabrication. Guy was a survivor. We've reached out to George Clooney's rap. Oh, That is so bad. That is so bad for George Clooney. Oh, that is so bad. Because he's such a Democrat, right? It's in the memoir that's so bad. It wasn't Galain saying it. It's in the memoir. So bad. Okay, Caleb, I am listening to Lily Allen. I promise you, Donald J. Trump will love this George stuff. But you know what, Alice? It's like, they'd love it, but then they go, we can't say anything because it's Epstein. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She was the one with Prince Andrew. Oh, yeah. George, find another way to deflect. He's gonna have to come up with a better response than that. You guys, you guys, I'm gonna do this real quick. Do you guys mind if I film a tick tock really quick about George Clooney? Who. Who is the person who gave me the George Clooney tip? Who said, I'm gonna go back and look. I'm gonna go back and look who. Who said it. If anyone wants to tell me who's the first? I. She's. She gave pony blue. Okay, so a couple of you. Oh, God, what an effing mess. That's a Tough one in the. I can't go after Virginia, the victim. You're right. You're right. It was you. Thank you, Alana. That's right. Not. Not at all. Film away. Okay. I think that Virginia's saying. Okay, first of all, it's. It's goofre, right? Can someone tell me that how to pronounce goofre? I think it's goofre. Okay, I need jufre. Jew free. Jew free. That can't be right. Is it Jew free? Okay, for it's you free. It is too free. Okay, you guys, I'm gonna record a quick tick tock. If. If I may. I'm gonna record a quick TikTok with you guys because I'm gonna include your. I hope you guys don't mind this. And then we're gonna look. Okay, I want to get. Okay, you guys. You guys are gonna jump into my tick tock, if you don't mind. Tell me what you think about George. Okay, Goufre. Tell me what you think about George. About George Clooney. Okay. The tragedy and all this is that all these men involved. The only person in prison is a woman. I know. I know. So you guys, there's a little leg here. Tell me what you think. I'm gonna read the juf. The goufre. No, Jufre. I'm gonna read what George Clooney said. Okay? And you guys tell me so I can see all. Oh, tell George to prove it by getting. Okay, here we go. Giuffre. All right. I'm currently on a YouTube live with people in the community who just let. Okay, wait, actually, I gotta do this over you guys. Is this in bad taste that I'm filming with you guys on here? Is this totally in bad taste? Okay, here we go. All right, I don't feel bad. Okay, here we go. I'm currently on a TikTok live with the community and they let me know that George Clooney was just called out in the memoir stating that he hooked up with Ghislaine Maxwell. So we have to give Alana the credit here, but TMZ is reporting this right now. So in so George Clooney was reportedly, quote, boiling with anger after reading scandalous claims made against him in Virginia Dufres posthumous memoir. According to. Okay, in the memoir published earlier this month, she alleges that Ghislaine Maxwell once claimed she performed a sex act on him. But a Hollywood associate of Clooney told okay. Her story is bs they insisted he has never met Ghislaine Maxwell in his life and he's horrified his name has been dragged into this. They continue calling the allegations a grotesque fabrication. We've read. And then TMZ reached out to George Rooney's clip, George Clooney's rep for comment. So far, no return call. So now the feedback on George Clooney right now. I've hated George since he crapped on Biden during the election. You had a good run, Clooney. George is in trouble. If he did it, which I can honestly see it happening, it would be. It would have been better to come clean, especially considering his wife is a human rights lawyer. Good point. If it comes out in the files, he's done. I can imagine he'd be peed with any mention of. I shouldn't say pissed. With any mention of him associated with this at all. But didn't you say the quote said. The book says it was a claim. The book said it was a claim by Galan, so that it was her claim. But this is interesting. So all George Clooney can do is refute it, right? Like that's all he can do is refute it. But typically. Which we were talking about in the chat. I'm doing a chat, chat. The administration, Donald Trump would love to jump on this because Clooney was such a pro Biden guy, but the White House can't jump on it because then it goes all back to the Epstein Fund house. This is what we call a PR mess. Okay, thanks, you guys. I appreciate Clooney needs a better retort than that. Yeah. I don't believe anything that comes out of Maxwell's mouth now. It's breaking news. Yeah. I mean, who knows it's here. You're right. It's hearsay. Virginia didn't witness it. You're right. We will see what a mall does. This is not good. This is not good. All right, you guys, it's one minute over. I want to thank you so much for participating tonight. We. We covered a lot, we said a lot, you shared a lot. And I learned a lot. That's what's the best. All right, you guys, so thanks so much for joining me. Stay in touch through subsec if you can. I've. I've altered where we're going to be. I've hired people on my team now so I can do more content. So you're going to get more of these, so I really appreciate you taking the time to jump in. Oh, thank you so much. Love you, too. I'm looking at some more of your comments. Here. Ghislaine and Epstein did lie a lot. Molly, if there's time, what do you think about Alison Mack launching a podcast? Oh, my gosh. Allison Mack has just published a podcast. We will get into that another time. Oh, my gosh. That's interesting. That'll happen in Albany. All right. You're a subscriber. Awesome. We have more. See, these are better. When we go off the record into our vault then, because now we got to get back in the. In the swing of things. All right, you guys, bye for now. Thank you so much for joining me.