Darin Olien: Everyday Products that Are Making You Sick + How to Return to a Toxin-Free Lifestyle

There's toxins in our water. When I realized there's something that's harming me, like, shit, Wow. I didn't know that water fluoride and the PFAS is in it is affecting half of the population in the US So now that I know that, I get to recapitulate myself, meaning that I get to get the energy back, I get to get the health back that I didn't realize I was losing. So if I know that now this water has fluoride in it, it's a neurotoxin, nothing good for my teeth. It's a shama lama ding dong, right? I can filter that water. I can revitalize that water. I just now made a massive shift in my life. Just that one thing that you have.

To do every day, the impact that it could have. The following is an operation. Podcast production. Darren Ogan, I'm so excited to have you here. You know, they say you call people into your life at a certain time for a reason. And we met really briefly at an event with Farmers Footprint with Zach Bush. And I remember at the time, I didn't know who you were, but I knew that I had to know you. Like, there's something about him. I knew that I had to talk to you then. And the irony is that this morning, when I was preparing for this, I just got my mycotoxin report back. So even somebody like me, who is a nutritionist, I've been in this path for like 20 years now. This morning, my labs came back with PGOS, which is phenyl glycolic acid, which is rubber. Rubber butyl paraben. I thought I'd been paraben free for 20 years. Also ochratoxin A. I've been on this mold journey for about two years now. Cadmium cesium. And I was just like, what the hell? Like, even despite my best efforts to live the cleanest diet and do all the things, the rover thing really pisses me off because I think that goes to a lot of the clothing that we're wearing and the workout clothes. But anyways, this is kind of a segue. I really wanted to dive into the endocrine system with you today and your book and obviously everything that you're working on and a bit of your story. But before we do that, you know, just to introduce you to what this podcast is about. It's all about ancient wisdom that I wanted to bring back and the awareness in our modern world. And if we think about it, you know, just getting rerooted and how can we get rooted in this busy life? Re rooted in ourself and our life and our inner wisdom. I think we all have to heal. So if you had to say, what are three things that help you feel really rooted in your life and in your body?

Oh, geez. I mean, I think it's quite easy. And the morning kind of meditations and guided meditations and journaling. Without a doubt.

Yeah.

Like, I. If I'm not clear on what I'm doing, where I'm going, what I'm focused on, where my energy's going, is this what I want? If I'm not clear on all of that, that always happens every day, all the time, without fail. That I'm not good. I don't do well. Right. So I'm a passionate, moving forward, Scorpio kind of guy. Right. And. And so I have to be clear on where that energy is going. So that morning, without a doubt. And also, you know, you can say flippantly, nature, but literally, feet on the ground, eyes on the sun, you know, body exposed to the sun. Every day, playing with my dogs like that. Why I chose kind of where I live is less about. It's amazing. 50 acres in Malibu. It's more about. No, it's medicine for me. And so that being that connected, walking out my door in literal. In nature with streams and birds and insects and dogs and wild animals. That. Yeah, that, that. That is without a doubt. And I think the third, and certainly not the last, is whole food. You know, just, you know, I grow as much as I can in my garden, and I certainly have plants for my food forest.

Right.

And so, you know, whole foods, like as clean as possible, as direct from the earth to my mouth as possible. Those things keep me.

Yeah.

Keep me dialed.

Would you say that there's an emotion like you've been in wellness for so long, you have really owned in on what your morning rituals are. What's the emotion that they give you?

Oh, man, I don't know if it's the emotion, but I guess it is emotional in a sense that it's like cutting out, almost like cutting out all the noise. Getting directly connected to whatever I believe God is.

Yeah. What matters.

And. And whatever that is. And, and, and. And being thankful for all of it. Yeah. I start my journal every day with just thankful. Even though the things may not even. You can argue and good argument that all of everything is happening right here, right now, dimensionally. Past life, future, all of it. It's all literally right here. So if I'm grateful And thankful for all of it. Even if I have a. Some of it. Even if I don't have some of it. It's all reorienting itself to that appreciation. So that. That emotion is this just deep, you know, space of love and contentment and that. And then inevitably from that place, it gives me the fortitude of the propeller. Right. So it's like it propels me forward, going, okay. Then inevitably enough, you know, natural, because it's produced with the endocrine system, natural cortisol and adrenaline as you. As the sun comes up.

Yeah, the way it's supposed to be.

Yeah, the way it's supposed to be. Then my, you know, then my own testosterone and man comes out going, okay, what do I do today? Like, like. And so it's a natural kind of progression into that. So it's. It's a filled full of that grace and gratitude and that, that, that as best that I can, that deep connection to myself and that self is for sure. Call it pure consciousness.

You know, I love that word. I love that you said that. Because I think a lot of people, when they listen to practitioners, they hear these checklists. Yeah, I know. It should be gratitude, you know, gratitude, yeah. Journal Med. Got it. But when we can really back it up with, like, the impact that it has on our physiology, I think that's the inspiration for people to like, okay, maybe I should really try this out. Like, that sounds pretty impactful. Pure consciousness. That's amazing. So on the flip side, you know, I think because so many people are out there, you know, just suggesting all these things that you can do to feel rooted for a lot of the people that I work with, I know I want to shine light on the opposite side, meaning a lot of the things that they're treating as a checklist every day to get rooted often becomes the. The thing that's uprooting them and leading to their inflammation or their unhappiness. So are there things that, you know, you know, having been in this industry for so long, that cause you to feel uprooted? And why?

I mean, listen, I 100% have this happen all the time. Like in the very instance of, like, I'm charging forward, I have my to do list. I have my thing. I can jump over the power of flow, right? The flow of that universe, and I can easily go into force and then that. So that flips into. I think I know what I need to do. And then I keep push, pushing it and slamming into the door and figuring out. And now listen, that's a Good trait to be unstoppable. But at the same time you have to realize like, is there another way or am I exhausting myself? It's not saying no to a goal, it's just like maybe a different route or maybe in a different timeline. So I will overwork myself. And it could be very different because everything is very subtle and yet very powerful because on the one hand, last week, probably one of my most productive weeks in my life in the last five years since my house burned down. And there was something I decided on deeply and it just started moving a million miles an hour. And so on the, on the one respect you could look at going, I was non stop all day calls and da da da, da da. But I was so inspired that I wasn't working right. But if you take that same picture and you're just observing it going, he's working so much, that looks exhausting. And I could have been in other times and I might still do that. So it's how you're being with yourself and where is that coming from? What you're saying and what you're also pointing to is it's. If it's a checkbox, then you've missed the whole point.

Yeah.

If you are literally interested in the fabric of your human experience as it relates to this extraordinary opportunity we get to have here. If you're really interested in what you are and what you really want to do from your perspective, not from what someone else says, that's a massively different situation. You, you, you. That's a completely different operating system.

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And it's then at that point it's just stress, stress, stress, stress, stress on top of your stress.

Yeah.

And so then you like, and then you're like, yeah, you're hitting your hard workouts, you're hitting your ice baths, when in fact all of those could be turning against you.

Absolutely.

Right. So it's like, you know, these things are, especially in this day and age, they're very tricky, these, these Instagram, tick tock, social media, flippant little things. And like I can fall victim easily too to an inspirational thing or whatever. But again, like it's not for everyone at all times. And we have to be careful with these generalizations. Right.

What I love about these questions so far is that every single guest has had a different answer. And it just goes to show, like, if you're looking for the perfect protocol, it doesn't exist. You have to make your own. You have to tune in to what you need 100%.

Like, this means nothing to anyone else. No, like all it is, is, is like if they, if they feel through my answers, all it is is me learning about myself and then figuring out what works best for me.

Absolutely.

But that journey is a language that no one can give you. That language between you Having a body in the spiritual world, trying to figure out what the hell this thing is, this mystery that we're in. And without going so far out. But that is a specific language. It's like call it your intuition that gives you insight and impulse and excitement and either your choice whether you acknowledge it or blow it off. Right. I'd rather not blow off the intelligence of something that's way beyond me. And in order to start to access that, you got to be humble and you got to be quiet and you have to shut up a little bit and go in and, and sit and learn and yeah, it's an interesting.

So good. The intelligence of the body. Yeah. I think we hold a lot of answers, but you know, when we think about kind of shifting gears to how to optimize the system. Right. Even preparing today, you know, you think you're a super conscious person. I'm. This morning I was like, oh shit, maybe this isn't as clean or as great as I thought it was. And I feel like it's getting really challenging to be this conscious person living in a modern world. Right. Whether you're doing things that are like, you know, hyper into wellness or taking you out of it, it's just, it feels like a hard commitment sometimes.

Yeah.

So let's talk a little bit about what you call fatal conveniences.

Yeah. This, this whole term sums it up right away. It's like the things that we may be doing in our modern day world that we think maybe we don't even think about and maybe we don't think are harmful but, but they have a negative side. And it is, I think all of life, the most powerful things in life are the habits that we're doing, good or bad.

Yeah.

Right. So if we're not aware of say the shampoo fragrance or the deodorant, heavy metals or the pfas on our dental floss or the petroleum in our underwear or the parabens in our makeup and, and lotion. If we're not aware of that. Your body going back to the body, your body is a victim to your unconsciousness. Now you never created any of that stuff. We all are born into it. Like the industrial revolution, flu profits over, over a lot of other things have, have reigned true. And it hasn't been like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a huge kind of propeller is. We've, we've set up profit over all these things, over the health and safety. So, so these fatal conveniences are those daily things that I Simply want people to question. Yeah, because it's, you know, it's not our grandmother that's giving us or, you know, you know, washing our clothes. It's not our mom preparing whole food from our garden. This is packaged, manipulated food. For example, it's. It's, you know, red dye number 40, carbonated weird drinks that you're consuming, and plastics. This is just stuff that we're constantly. To your point, like, we have flipped this whole thing. Right. So, you know, fatal convenience aside, there's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of things and products and chemicals. We have. We have largely lived 93% of our lives inside.

Yeah.

From our ancestors. Right. It was the opposite. So what. How do we do that? How do we. How do we now get back to. And we start having these conversations about take your shoes off, put on the ground, and, like, get out in the sun. And we, We. We have the. It's. It's kind of ironically wild. Right. We're.

It literally is the inspiration for this podcast, like, going back to our roots. Like, let's take the gifts of modern medicine and the. The things that we have access to today and testing. But I think, like, our ancestors hold so much of the information and awareness around healing, and half of it's free. Right. And it's found within nature. And by aligning that, we just turn on the intelligence of our body to rebalance again.

Right.

Like, we're going to talk about a lot of things today that, you know, it can be overwhelming, but I think we need the constant reminder of how incredible our bodies are. Like, in every second of every day, our bodies are trying to heal themselves.

Right. And they know they're really good at it.

They're really good at it.

They're not broken.

No.

And that's how we're marketed. Like.

But yet, like, we have this data now that children, you know, through umbilical cords, the amount of toxins that are found in plastics that are being found in umbilical cords, and there's still changes that aren't happening fast enough. Right. So segue to talk about your story. Like, if you think about your passion behind this, what I love about it, it's like, you're not dictating. There's a lot of people or, like, platforms that you can go to on social media. And, like, they're just angry, and it gets the viewer really angry. And then you're just, like, up against a wall. You don't know what to do, but you have this empathy and way to speaking about it. Can you share the story about your dad. And I know you've written about this in your book also. You might.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, so. So imagine I'm in college, about a couple hours away from my hometown. I'm starting to study physiology, nutrition, kinesiology, all this stuff. And then ultimately I get a call first from my dad and say, I think, you know, I've been struggling with. My dad was a, you know, double master's professor at the University of Minnesota. So he was highly functional. He did triathlon. Triathlons in the 80s. Like, he was a. He was a great, amazing guy. And you get this. I get this call from him saying, you know, I. I have all this brain fog. I can't function, I can't think, I can't perform. I can't do my job. And no one knew what it was until finally he kind of was working with a couple doctors, and they finally realized they had multiple chemical sensitivity disorder. And this was in the 90s. And so you're like going, what do you mean? He goes, well, any off gassing of a T shirt that was printed with anything, any carpet, any paints, any deodorants, any shampoos, any fragrances, any perfumes. I'm like, going, what? And of course, I don't believe him. Like, I think it's in everyone. The whole family thinks it's in his head. And that's your initial thought because you never heard of it before. So. So he starts. And this is like, before the Internet. And he starts, like, as a teacher. He starts making videotapes, right? Finding these investigative reports. He starts making notes. He starts handing out to his entire family. And we start learning about this, going, holy shit. So then he sends me care packages. If you're going to come home and see us, you got to wash your clothes. And this unscented this and this, unscented that. So I had naturally started desensitizing myself to the things that I didn't know I was sensitive to. I wasn't experiencing what he was experiencing, but. So I would then start to come home and I use all these products, and I kept using them because they felt better. And I was then sensitive to. To. Not sensitive like debilitating, but sensitive to the. Once I stepped out of it, it was like abusive to smell, you know, these fragrances. So that's how it started. And my dad and I believe if I were to pull the struggle string on his life, I mean, he was. He was an alcoholic. Then he was sober for 30 years of my life from at age of 4 he got sober and I never saw him drink. He wasn't the happiest person in the world. Never did a lot of, you know, but he was a, he was a great guy. But once he was having these physical cognitive issues with the multiple chemical sensitivity, they, they didn't know what to give him so they started giving him like Ritalin, right? So my dad, a full on addict who hadn't taken anything in 30 years, now all of a sudden they got him on speed, right? So now he starts playing the doctors off very subtly and he gets double prescriptions of stuff and he starts like getting high because number one, he's feeling like shit everywhere he goes. He can't, by the way, this has escalated so much that he can't even go out in public. He can't. He now is forced to retire. He can't be around people because of all the smells from everything that they're taking and doing and because he can't be around people. So now he's, he's high and you know, with getting older in his 60s and he was feeling pain and next thing you know he picked up a drink again and as soon as he picked up that, that and started mixing it with his, his drugs, he was, he was high and it was, it would take him out of the pain that he was experiencing and the loss of a social anything. So his demons came back and he died of alcoholism. So I know, I know that the multiple chemical sensitivity was a gateway to just this debilitating situation for him. So the book was rooted in that. My early learning and along my life There was about 30 years where I would constantly get either new research or find another researcher or doctor or friend that would have this. 25 years ago, one of the first researchers started talking to me about cell phone, cell phone pollution and electrosensitivities and very, very similar to chemical sensitivities. So there's about, I think 17 to 20% of the population has electrosensitivity. They almost experience the same things as if it was a chemical exposure like my dad. So they'll fog out, they'll feel like crap, they'll have migraines, they can't function.

Anxiety, I'm sure leads to digestive issues.

Yeah, it just is a cascade. Imagine then trying to get away from WI fi.

Yeah.

Or cell signal. Now today, and you're electrosensitive, right. Imagine my dad. Now you're getting more and more chemicals. On average, a woman is exposed to 120 to 130 chemicals every day, all day. Reapplying like, it's like people are just like. And then, and then you're interacting. So this chemical soup that we're playing in, this electronic magnetic smog that we're in, it's just. So I was staring at this, this and I was like, this isn't gonna be. This is an elephant in the room of health for me from. Because I wrote, you know, I wrote super life, like let's breathe and let's do all these great plans for our lives and like, let's, let's live our super life, like, let's kick some ass. But then all of a sudden if we don't acknowledge this massive industrial created elephant in the room and separate our lives, start to untangle ourselves from this modern world that has been moving and has been using, you know, 60 to 80,000 toxins and you know, astrazene and pesticides and herbicides and you know, DDT was banned in 72 and it's still here and it's still in the blood of children today. It's still in that umbilical cord. So, you know, and now in our lifetime, the Teflon and the PFOAs and the PFOAs, the fluorinated gas that binds to these surfaces, that is in our makeup, that is in our clothing, that is in our couches, that is in our receipts, that is in our plastics, that is in our, our waterproofing, whatever, our wrinkle free shirts. Like that is a forever chemical. That's a similar to DDT that was banned in 92. So this PFAS is a bullet in a gun and they call it a forever chemical. It's forever, forever. And it bioaccumulates and we don't know what the hell we're doing, right? We are just, you know, I kind of take, I like to take an approach of just information, but there's a certain point where I just want to shake, you know, people listening right now and go, listen, don't blow this off, man. You, you. I get it. This shit is overwhelming.

It's wild. You know, looking back, I'm sure you'll agree. I'm sorry to go through that with your dad, but what has paved the road for you to this, right, and he used a word accumulation in Ayurveda. We talk about accumulation a lot, right? We think, oh, I don't do that now. I don't use that product. I don't use that deodorant. I've cleaned up this makeup. No, it's the accumulation of everything. Since you've since even before you arrived to this earth. Right. And I agree with you. I think it's more about taking a stand. The more that we do that, the more these companies will have to change the trajectory. Right. So in your research, you know, what percentage do you think of illnesses and diseases and stuff like that are caused by these?

Like, that's a good question. I mean, I really have no idea. I mean, it's almost impossible. It's one of those things where it's, you know, just a little glimpse. A 60 to 80,000 toxins are created every year.

Yeah.

And just blasted on us, in us, around us. All this stuff of that maybe a thousand are tested in any way and none, zero, zilch are tested as they interact. So every product you're using or putting on or they're interacting with the other one and the other one and the other one. And this endocrine system, you know, we have our nervous system which basically communicates by freaking light speed. Right. It's really fast. The endocrine system is a little slower. Right. And it can, it can be used acutely and some of that use of those hormones can be used, can proliferate for a day, a week, a month and even continue. Yeah, the endocrine system is, is a, is a very important communication device of the body. Right. It's all its job, the entire thing is to keep homeostasis. Right. To keep you in balance. And now we've introduced these plastics and plasticizers and pfizes and azo dyes and formaldehydes and all of these things that are hijacking and influencing and affecting and thwarting and changing our endocrine system or binding in certain sense. These plastics and plasticizers are kind of xenoestrogens. They're chemical estrogens. They bind, Right. So they gum up the natural receptors. So your body goes, shit, we have all this estrogen. So now, so now your balancing system is just completely off.

Right, right, right.

So now we're seeing. It's a huge focus of mine now I've got another chapter in my life that I'm really going to focus on now. And that's this hormonal system. Because the very fabric, all roads lead to, the very fabric of us is falling off the cliff. Right. So endometriosis, premenopause for women is like, it's, it's mind boggling. Right?

Just the stats are on hormones today, Testosterone plummeting. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about miscarriages and infertility and you know, breastfeds that are developing in, you know, 8, 9, 10 year olds now, it's just like, it's a mess. And I want to own in on one thing you said, you know, going out into these stores, a lot of these places are big, recognized, well known, even health food stor we have the expectation as a consumer that those products are safe. But what I heard you say is because of testing, because of legalities, now our product can go to market first until it's proven to be toxic. Is that right?

Yeah, basically it's, it's the opposite. It's the, it's the opposite.

It's not proven to be safe. So take it to the market. Yeah, it's. Prove it's toxic first.

Yeah, like catch us. It's really almost catch us.

Right.

Like if, you know these independent. I, I mean, I was just, I was doing some research with consumerlabs.com it's a great independent testing for supplements and products and I was digging into olive oils and, and the toxic, it's like such a landmine of toxicity around stuff like that. But you know, these independent ewg, like Environmental Working Group campaign for safe cosmetics. You've got Leah over at Mamavation who does an incredible amount of work. All these things exist because of that very thing. Because the agencies, they don't have the bandwidth. They're not doing anything. It's the pseudo idea that there's a regulatory body. No, it doesn't exist. There's no one that's got your back with this stuff.

It's frustrating because it's at every level too. It's not just what we're consuming, it's the things that we're wearing. It's the things in our environment, what we're purchasing in our home. It's just like, you know, and this is where it's like, oh my God, it's everywhere. Right? And.

Yeah, yeah. And I know. And it's like, you know, some will, some won't, some do, some don't. Yeah, I'm, I, you know, I say this often and I mean it. It's like if people want to know, I'm here. Like, here's the information. If you don't want to know, fine. I'm not here to convince you. Like, like, like I just have chosen a certain path in my life. The path of my life is I want to be the best version of myself. And in order to do that, I got to face some stuff that I didn't do. But I'm here in it, in this particular time in this body, you know, if I just slather on whatever and I know that it's toxic, then I'm going against my entire being in a certain sense. So I've chosen that. And a lot of people don't care, right. They'll say things like, I just want to live great.

Right. I just want to look good.

Go do your thing. That's fine. Literally your choice. I'm moving forward. Like, so I think the important thing is. And it takes time, too.

Absolutely.

Like, people are listening to this and go, shit. Like, just make one choice today. Make a different purchase this week.

Yeah. Start with one area, right? That's it.

And then, you know, I think of it as kind of a recapitulation of your life. I love this term because I've done it with my spiritual journey in my life where you. You've had a hurt, you've had a pain, someone's hurt you, and you can recapitulate, you can go back into that time, in that place, in that space and. And forgive. Right. And move forward similar to this. When I realize that there's something that's harming me. Like, wow, I didn't know that that water or the fluoride and the PFAS is in it is affecting half of the population in the U.S. like, there's toxins in our water. It's easy, it's on demand, blah, blah, blah. It's great. But we have to clean it. Wow, I didn't know that. So now that I know that, I get to recapitulate myself, meaning that I get to get the energy back, I get to get the health back that I didn't realize I was losing. So if I know that now this water has fluoride and it's a neurotoxin, right. It's nothing good for my teeth. Right. It's a shama lama ding dong, right? And I can filter that water, I can revitalize that water. I just now made a massive shift in my life. I eliminated massive toxins from that one. Reverse osmosis, or distillation, adding some electrolytes. And we can get into all kinds of great electrolytes and then put it in glass bottle, eliminate plastic. Just that one thing that you have.

To do every day, the impact that it can have.

Impact because you've eliminated toxins. So you detoxed. And you now have infused your body and every cell full of liquid that is now healthy for you because your body can detox.

That's the whole point. And I hear what you're saying, but I think the takeaway is like, just play with lowering your toxic burden. Just do that. Right. The way that I think of the endocrine system is like, it's magic. It sends out these hormones to receptor sites where they, like, they fit perfectly. And we think it's so simple. We think of like three basic hormones. No, these hormones go to so many different. Every cell in your body and different organs. They know exactly where to go. It's like this key system. They fit perfectly. Right. But then you have these EDCs and there's the Endocrine Society. Seven years ago they put out a video on the impact of EDCs to our endocrine system. Seven years ago, and there's still no change. So these EDCs are going into our system. They can mimic hormones, go into that same key structure. Your body thinks that it's the hormones. So it rece. And we know like some of the symptoms that this is related to which we'll dive into. I think the first one that we'll go into is infertility. One in six individuals globally, worldwide is impacted by infertility. We know that EDCs are connected to this, Right? And still there hasn't been enough change.

Yeah, yeah. This is, this is where and, and these are, these are so proliferated in our environment, it's, it's astonishing. Right? And these endocrine disrupting compounds are, are literally so, so again, it's at the fabric of our, of if you, you can drill all of our life down to. We just want to move the population forward. Yeah, right. Males and females get together, they're attracted, they're smelling each other's pheromones and they're like, that's a good match. I want to have babies with you. Right. If you can't do that, if that isn't the elephant in the freaking room, I don't know what is. If you can't get pregnant. And our society, the way we are putting our society together is, is the culprit and we're not changing it like yesterday, that tells you that whatever and whoever is, is governing countries, states, controlling things, being on shelves, products, whatever, whoever is doing that clearly is just horrible at their job and isn't interested. Listen, I'm going to jump back a second. I have spent a lot of time around the world in a lot of different scenarios. And for me, several times in India, in Africa, I'm sitting there going, wait a minute, what year is it? And these children are taking a Jerry can, filling up water that's black and brown and full of whatever and bringing it back to their family. And they have to drink something. So it's a Russian roulette. And you have the UN with its sustainable goals. You have all this. You're going, wait a minute. How is this possible? Yeah, how is this possible in this day and age? And then I get involved with. Back in the day, raincatcher.org, we. Hell, I was under a mango tree with Obama's grandmother in Kenya. And I'm just going, wait a minute. I'm here on a water project, and currently the President of the United States, I'm sitting with the grandmother, and we're talking about the issues that the kids around this and the people around this don't have clean water. So when I talk about a product on a shelf, absolutely, that is not healthy.

Our priorities.

Our priorities are so upside down, it is astonishing. I've been informed about the craziest stuff. For whatever reason, I'm a magnet for it. I could tell you stories of things that people told me 25 to 30 years ago and make your hair stand up and now are true. And so when I saw my father suffer and when I started learning about products that were hurting people, and almost every product that you are buying, if you are not consciously buying it because it's clean, it's safe, it was tested, it is harming you. Yeah, it is harming you. And it is quote, unquote, legal for them to sell it. That is a crime against all humans.

This is what's so messed up about our world. You know, for people who have been impacted by somebody who's gotten really sick, if something's happened to your health, if you've lost a baby or if it's been a loved one who's gotten sick, you know, in that moment, nothing else matters if you don't have your health.

Yep.

Right. My husband and I, we've worked with a handful of NGOs also. And I remember, like, you meet these little children who are walking miles just to get water. Right. Have access to food to keep them alive. And it's like, what is happening? And yet we come back to this part of the world and, like, you have an issue not eating a certain food, and, you know, it's bad for you. So maybe we do need more of that impact awareness around this. You know what I mean? Because the fact of the matter is, living in this era of wellness, we've never had more access to information than ever before, but we know people are still getting sicker I think, like every show, I tend to mention the fact that I've never worked with so many people who are doing all of the right things but are still showing up with these biomarkers that are inflammatory. Right. And it's this, like, chronic systemic inflammation that's happening. And, you know, I don't care if you care about taking, you know, all these companies down or not supporting them. At the end of the day, if you're somebody who wants to wake up having more energy or at least feeling better in your body, I don't meet very many people who wouldn't, like, put their two hands up to that. Right. So that's where we have to start. And so we see these EDCs affecting chronic illness. Right. They're linked to so many things. In your book, you mentioned a few. Can you just name off a couple so that people can understand, like, the impact systemically on the body?

Yeah, yeah. One, the parabens for sure. And certainly the ones that can show up, and there's so many. And they're, they're, they're used as, like, they're, they're kind of a preservative and binder in products, but they show up in makeup and perfumes.

Are there hidden names now for parabens?

Yeah, yeah, there's, there's. Well, they're isoparabens, polyparabens. Like, there's. But the problem is that here's the problem. You know, we always say that look on the ingredient label. What it does. Yes, it says some things, but it says, it does not say some of the most important things. And some of the most important things are those in this, in maybe an instance of perfume or fragrances or flavors, natural flavors or artificial. You can get away with a lot of stuff. Stuff. And, and what they did to support the companies, because there's no other reason, is they created trade secrets where, hey, that's proprietary. I want to control. I want to, I want to preserve the hard work that we did.

Proprietary formulas, right? Yeah.

So that's where all of these, you get these scapegoats. So you'd never know even interactions of chemicals in products that, that are not put in there, but they're interacting against each other. Some very toxic compounds like dioxins show up all the time. So there's all these interactions. But phthalates, parabens, so parabens and makeup and lotions, those things you want to stay away from. If there is a good news about parabens, there's a half life. So to your Point parabens, they're an endocrine disruptor. So it's the reapplying. You're putting this, you know, the lotion on every day and blah, blah, blah, or the makeup every day and all of that stuff. There's some great options. There's some better options out there, but you're reapplying this. So the half life on parabens is usually like six to eight hours. But again, people keep reapplying. And so the other. The other important one is phthalates, right? So phthalates are like. They show up so much, but they're the original. I was like, oh, they're plasticizers. So they're in all the plastics and. And just to. Just something to keep in mind, the harder the plastic, the better. So the softer the plastic, the more phthalates are in it.

And squishy water bottles.

Yeah, more squishy they are, the cheaper they are, the more phthalates they have and the more prone they are to leech into that water. Especially then when you got heat and you have oxygen, you have sunlight hitting those things. And like now you're just drinking oil at this point. Because plastic is oil, right? And a lot of chemicals it took to create that plastic. I mean, we're so insane. The fact that we thought it was a good idea to surround our food and our water in plastic hot food bars, right?

Those chickens that come in plastic. I will not let my kids eat at their school. Because the food sits in plastic on heat for hours. Right?

I mean, that's literally a bomb for their endocrine system.

And all the products that we purchase for, the products that we use are all plastic.

So a little caveat, you know, a little thing like when you have. When you have food touching containers and plastics, you have phthalates, you have plastics, you have petroleum. And then you also have bpa, bisphenol A. And then they say, well, it's bisphenol A free. And then they go, it's bisphenol H. And then you don't.

Why is there no EDC free?

Exactly. Because it would be too complicated. It would almost be impossible. You'd have to recreate the entire product and container. But here's what inspires me. Every day. I'll throw a little break in the horrible news. Because it's horrible news. You gotta deal with this stuff. I get it. Go back, number one, go back to whole food. Eat as much whole food where your farmers are from. Get back to making salads and stews and rice and beans and legumes and than whole plants and whole fruits and everything else. But the things that I get inspired by are the people that I keep meeting in these spaces that are making changes. So I know that there's companies making big companies making big changes. So it's happening. Is it happen fast? No, because there are big companies that need to make big changes. But you know, I know specifically, I know people in the, in the chemical world who are, who are creating, for example, pfas they're making out of cellulose and making a clean product at scale so it won't cost the companies more and it will make. And they're currently doing trials right now with McDonald's, Walmart, like a bunch of other big boys. So, so that's happening. And so again, I think it's the pressure that we can put on them and the moms, the controlling of the household, you know, the purchasing power, you know, I get it. Sometimes these things are more expensive, right? It does happen that way. But again, like, save more, prioritize your budget and then just work in the way that you can. I mean, if you get a water filter and glass bottles for every one of your children and family, you've saved money.

Absolutely. Ditch all your Tupperware. Like replace everything with glass.

Exactly.

There's incredible reusable stores around here. We can just go and fill up with safer options with soap and makeup and detergents and laundry. You name it. Like, it's out there. And I agree with you. I think it has to take a little bit more readjustment in terms what your habit is or what your rituals are. But just think about the impact, right?

Big time.

And I think to the mom point, my gosh, if I ever post about a product or frustration or an ingredient that I have, I get like hate mail from people like, oh, well, you know, this is the best that we can do. This is what we can afford. And it's like, well, at the end of the day, Whole Foods is always going to be cheaper than a processed food. Right? Most of the time. And on the flip side, like, the more that we're purchasing from those companies and what happened from the time that babies are born and we're reading every single ingredient and we're so cautious of what they're absorbing in their skin, what they're smelling, what they're eating, what happens when they turn 3, 4, 5, like it doesn't matter anymore. It still matters. Everything is building and growing. Their brain is still forming. Right. Their sex organs Everything. So it's funny, after my labs, I'm so curious to get a toxin test done for my kids. Simply with the awareness nonetheless of, like, where else can I clean up? In and around my home?

Yeah.

Because it's prevention, right? Like, if we're not accumulating as much, we're preventing a lot of these imbalances. And I think a lot of people, when they think about what their symptoms are, the first go to living in our world is like, who on TikTok? Who on Instagram is doing this protocol? Or what's a new way of fasting? Or what's a new product or supplement that I can take instead of what can I take away? Right. I think that that's.

It's so powerful, especially when you line those things up together, like, what can I avoid so that I don't have toxic exposure? And then what can I add that can just give more life to me?

Is there a hierarchy of EDCs? Like, is there one that you would say, like, go after this one first?

I mean, I think. I mean, I think phthalates and, and pfas, like the, The. The fluorinated stuff, because that's, that's not only PFAS is so dangerous. I just finished finishing up watching, watching one of the final edits of a clothing documentary that I did with a good friend of mine who's been hitting this drum for 20 years, Jeff Garner. And the documentary is called Let Them Be Naked. And we. He went all over the world. I did what I could in some of the episodes, but we tested some of this stuff and in the lab and worked seeing it. And you could see the scientists going, oh, we wouldn't tell them what. Where it was from or what the uniform was, but it's some big boys and we're outing some of this stuff. And so it's important to, you know, these things are shocking. You know, they're shocking, but it's. But again, I think the power is in the integration. I never ended up here either. Did you? It's steps that we. You just learn something about yourself so then you can make adjustments. It's it. That's what life is. Right. You can't be perfect tomorrow, but you just make the best. I kind of think of things as go, go in to out. What are you putting in your mouth? Do the water first. Clean up the water. Put a filter on your shower. Like, and. And then what you're eating, clean, literally clean that up. Stop with the ultra processed food. Because. Because those things are, Are, are super Dangerous. But, but I think that from the pesticides, the herbs, herbicide residues, the, the phthalates and the pfas, if you just focus on those, plenty of products that have all of those in there, I would. And of course, you know, with all of the ultra processed food, you're getting heavy metals, you're getting pfas, you're getting pesticides and herbicides. So again, these things aren't so overwhelming, but they're just a switch. And of course you're addicted to stuff, so it takes a little bit of time to swap.

You gotta. You're used to those smelly creams.

But man, I tell you what, I looked at a stuff study that I was involved in maybe 10 plus years ago, and I took a group, men and women from meat and dairy and we got them on whole plants and monitor them and they were doing some exercise stuff. The average men. The men were average regular people. But in particular, in two and a half weeks, their testosterone went up by 27%. 27. And there's other studies that also show that same close to 30% just lifestyle. And that wasn't even tweaking the fatal conveniences, that was just focused on food, right? So there's so much same with women. You adjust certain things because oftentimes the foods you're addicted to are also laced with all kinds of things that you keep exposing yourself to.

Yeah. And we keep using this word healthspan, right? And it's like if we're not addressing our hormones and like it's the biggest thing, I'm sitting here having all these flashbacks. So prior to wellness, I worked in the cosmetic industry.

Oh yeah. Oh boy.

Yeah. So big luxury cosmetic brand. I had to travel the world and it was part of my job to spray these massive conference rooms with perfume, right? Then I had to wear the product, right? So I'm wearing basically a mask of just all of this stuff every day. And it was a French brand also, where perfume was just like the thing, right? Fragranced everything, right. And this was also around the time where, like, I knew there was another way. My anxiety was through the roof. I've shared my health story before, but I was diagnosed with pcos. It was so bad I had stopped getting my periods. The doctors told me at the time that it would be very challenging for me to have kids if at all. I was like, what the hell is happening? I was eating a really great diet, I was exercising, I was doing all the things, but here I am, like things were shutting down, right. I started getting my heart Palpitations that led to having my heart surgeries. Yeah.

Wow.

And then, like, you ended up traveling. I went back to my roots at the ashram and took all of that stuff away and my body just healed. Right. So, yeah, we're going to go through some key products because I think that one of the most important places, places that you can start, obviously, is in your home, in your kitchens, and then in your bathrooms. Right. So if we dive into some really big fatal conveniences and why they're harmful. Let's just start with toothpaste, dental floss and mouthwash.

Yeah.

Nobody thinks about dental floss being plastic. Strings of plastic. I know, right?

Even I did.

Yeah.

You just say, what?

Yeah.

Like, not only is it plastic because you don't want it to break.

Right.

It's laced with, like, a really bad chemical, pfas. Right. Because it's. Again, it's really good. The good news and the bad news is these chemicals are really good at their job.

Absolutely.

So they're like, I love that this dental floss slides easier in between my teeth. Well, you're getting exposed. And that was. And that particular. The brand was in a study where it was connected to kidney cancer.

Come on.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah. So these things can be correlated quite profoundly, especially when you're. I mean, you think about herbal applications, you think about tinctures. There's a reason why you put it under your tongue and put it in your mouth because it's so absorbable. Now, now think about it.

Yeah.

You're taking a pfas, an endocrine disruptor connected to several cancers, and you're putting your mouth every day thinking you're doing a good job. This is a perfect example of a fatal convenience. You go on, hey, I'm keeping my teeth good. But you're putting this again, because it's a medical device. They don't have to disclose anything.

Dentists think I'm crazy when they don't. When they. When I say no to Listerine and stuff like that. I've had to break up with a lot of people.

Yeah.

There's propylene glycol.

Propylene glycol.

Colors.

Colors. And underneath it all, it just wipes out your microbiome in your mouth, and that starts your digestion. So the amylase and the. Starting to break down your carbohydrates starts in your mouth, and you're just clear cutting your microbiome with this insane idea to take in Listerine plus all of the chemicals that you're swallowing. And it's Just like when I hope people take a second. Don't take this as stress, but just look at this almost comedically.

Yeah, it's hilarious.

It's almost like, seriously, Holy shit. Yeah. Why would. Like, this is a bad joke. Like, why would we do that? When you really look at it going, that's insane. Yeah, that's insane. And it's insane to give a kid who suffers from ADD and ADHD, red dye number 40 and Gatorade, surrounded by plastics, and he's trying to be an athlete. And it's actually going against his own hormonal system. And you're going, oh, my God, it's the mirrors of opposites.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, seriously, this is nuts. So in writing the book, there was a lot of the pages and 15 researchers and all of that stuff. There's a lot of swear words and a lot of, like, Twilight Zone moments going. This is. I'm reading this. I'm reading this study, and it's in all of these products, and I feel like no one knows.

Totally. I. With some of my clients, they're like, laugh out loud moments. Yeah, it's like, yeah, we've got a whole trash can of things that were just thrown in. Okay, so for listeners, what are some better alternatives then for the oral care aspect?

Yeah, oral care. I mean, listen, I use a. You know, certainly use dental floss. You know, there's organic cotton. There's charcoal covered. I use a cotton with a charcoal cover, like, because that's antibacterial, antifungal. And all I do is wet it first.

Great.

So it's a little slipper.

Yeah. The one that I love comes in a cardboard box, too.

Yes, exactly.

Right.

Same one. Probably the same. Same. And then, you know, I love a company bite toothpaste, so there's no. I love the fact that you're. They're Less footprint as well. So there's no plastic tubes because, again, yeah, when you have plastic coming against something you're going to ingest, you're getting chemicals and plasticizers and phthalates. And it's not just toothpaste. And the toothpaste is riddled full of chemicals and fluorides and everything else. Get rid of that shit. Right. Of course there's some. There's some better toothpaste. I like bite because it's just a little tablet. I chew on it, boom, it comes. I still have the same container. Three years later, I have a glass container, and they just send pouches of refills, and it's. And by the way, it's a lot easier to travel with going, how many days am I gonna be gone? Okay, 10 days. I need 20 tablets. Like, you know, I love it.

I gotta check them out.

Yeah, it's easy. Yeah. I mean, those. Those things are.

Those are great.

Yeah.

Yeah. Personal hygiene for women. Tampons like this is still frightening because you still see the options for the Completely bleached, full of camels, even fragrances in the products that are being inserted into women's bodies for hours upon hours. So fatal convenience, for sure. Something that we have been accustomed to thinking and is safe. Safe. It's normal. It's safe for us to use. What is a better option?

Well, I mean, certainly you. You would know better as well. I mean, what are your options?

Diva cups, definitely.

Diva cups are great.

I'm sure that there's companies out there that are working towards organic cotton options and stuff like that, making sure that there's no fragrance in those.

100%.

Yeah.

You know, listen, and also, as a guy where. Where women are often, you know, you gotta charge, you gotta make. I love, like, all. Number one. I love. I get so excited with smart women around me. I've got all women who are. I didn't even try. It was just the women around me and my team, they just kick ass, and I love it. But at the same time, let's celebrate being a woman. So when that cycle happens, it's a very powerful time.

Yeah, right.

It's so powerful. And so, like, just, you know, support the hormones and don't chart your. Your. Your cycle is completely different than ours. And so most of the studies and the biohacking studies are all based on men. So you. Again, you can't compare this thing. So. So at the same time, I want women to celebrate that cycle. I want to celebrate them and that way. And. And, yeah, and stop with the toxic. Way too.

Stop with the toxic. Right. I'll throw diapers into that too, because, like, you know, that's like the other big thing as a new mom, which is just frightening. But thank you for that shout out. I think it's so important. Okay. Makeup, Fatal convenience. Obviously, we went through a lot of those chemical. All the chemicals, the perfumes, the dyes, like in. You know, we say with food, if you don't know what an ingredient is and either with your body. Holy shit, look at the side of that. Foundation, concealer, mascara, lip balm. Can we talk about greenwashing for a second?

Yeah, yeah, let's do that.

Like, I won't go into Sephora anymore. Like, yeah, there's so few brands. And you really, like, this is a thing as a woman where you. So many things are marketed to us as safe or they'll get that. The fancy green leaf or something on the side saying that it's a safer product to use. I don't care who you are. If it's in the food industry, if it's in the makeup industry, a lot of these companies, if you have money, you can pay for whatever label that you want to go onto the front of that package. Right. So going through these ingredients, because they're hormone disruptors, are impacting your mood, they're impacting your fertility, they're impacting things like brain fog, perhaps your digestion. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, these things are, again, this is why, you know, the manipulation. They're manipulating where the masses are going. We want things to be healthier for us. We know that there's a problem. So greenwashing is that idea that they're going to take a part of that market share without doing anything or without doing the right thing, and they're just going to manipulate the messaging, put on a pretty package or whatever and donate to whomever doing whatever and not. Not do the real work. So the greenwashing is a really big problem. Listen, it is. These aren't easy.

No.

I vet companies so much and even after vetting them and talking to them and having them show me the data, I've been in situations with companies where I'm like, wait a minute, what is this product? And then I discover, oh, that product has got things that there's no way I would use gone. And, and then all of a sudden I'm like, I didn't see that. And I didn't see all those, those, those differences. So then I re like, I pull that person, I send money back. If there's money exchanged, like, it's, it's. I had a recent thing. I'm not gonna out the company because I think they are, they are trying. There's a few companies trying to do it, but again, it's also expensive for companies to do it.

Totally. We've built a brand. I know your experience building product to take a product from one end to market. And I think the intention is often there.

Yeah.

But when you're building a brand and then you're taking in profit and then the retailer and all the steps in between, it's like, holy shit. The product and the inspiration, the marketing to what you actually get can change drastically.

Oh, yeah, it's it's, it's, it, it's hard, it's, it's challenging for any product to be in the world. Like number one. And then you try to do your best, but the, the, if you're, you're, if you're consciously doing it, like consciously greenwashing and you know it. Yeah, a lot of it too. Smaller businesses, there's a naive part to it where they haven't looked under the hood enough or haven't tested, tested. You know, some products that I developed 15, 17 years ago, we have thousands of tests that we set up that we. Third party control.

Like such a good point. Transparency, right?

Yeah.

To the company having the information ready for people.

Yeah. I mean listen and, and listen, the bigger company, the more liability. So if you, if I, so let's use a supplement. If I do a test, every batch, there's thousands of tests potentially depending on the product. So I can't necessarily share that because the next batch could be completely different. Not to say that it didn't trigger a warning like where there's no heavy metals or whatever, but you can't necessarily share that publicly. I haven't, I realize the difference. But like when I'm behind a product or something, or I help formulate it and the company then backs it with 5,000 tests, literally, then I'm like, okay, I can speak to that. I can speak to anybody about that and say this is what we do. And it's also difficult to really unpack many companies to really see what they're doing. Sometimes like some clothing companies have reached out and I'll be like, okay, they're great. Organic this, organic that. And then all of a sudden a workout gear is a great example. It's like if you want, you want to, you want yoga pants without leaching, doesn't exist yet. There's some better companies using better material. But, but in order for the color to bind, it's still synthetic, it's better. And oftentimes I've also said that there's a, there's a, there's a place in society where we should have an imperfect solution, that it's better than the predecessor. Right. It's a better path. So then let's support that better path because things aren't perfect necessarily.

Yeah. I think the more people supporting too, like we'll eventually get the cost down for a lot of these things too. Right. Like it just has to be the way when this episode comes out, I'll do my due diligence on these things. As of now, the One place that I love especially for cosmetics is the Detox market. It's a Toronto company where they're now in la. But like the inspiration is about clean, non endocrine disrupting products. So shout out to them.

Amazing. I'll check them out.

Yeah, yeah. Last.

I mean, I won't use them. I don't have a need.

Yeah.

But I'll give them as gifts if they're good.

Last product then. Or bucket. We'll say laundry detergents and cleaning products. This is a really simple one to just start at home. Right. Better alternatives.

Yeah.

What do you do?

My, my. I'm such a bachelor when it comes to my laundry and my cleaning products. So. So here's my laundry, which I just did yesterday.

Yeah.

The dogs get all my towel, all their towels really dirty. So I had to. Because of the rain. I'll take. I have a bucket of borax. Freaking borax. I take literally a handful, shove it in. Then if it's whites, I have a, of a. A gallon jug of hydrogen peroxide.

Yeah, great.

For the whites. And then, and then vinegar, organic vinegar, white vinegar. That's it. That's my laundry now. If I want things to. And I hang them. So they all smell good. Yeah, you don't smell that stuff on it. They all smell fresh anyway. But if you want, you can add essential oils to all that stuff. That's super. Now there's also some great companies coming online that do it very simply and do it well and have sustainable packaging and stuff too. So you don't have to necessarily. But, but please, please, please stay away from all of that smelly, perfumey 100.

You know, I'm so sensitive to it now. If I hug somebody who's using like downy or like all of those chemicals.

Abusive.

Yeah, it's absolutely. It's like an assault to yourself.

It's an assault. I gotta get away.

Yeah. We keep essential oils with dryer balls and I just drop them into the. The dryer balls and then it's great. And then the kids get to wear something that's soothing to their senses.

Oh, man. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna appreciate. I'm gonna update dryer balls, organic dryer balls with essential oil.

Yeah. It's amazing.

My dogs will like it too. It's good for the dogs too.

Absolutely. Your animals in the house. But bottom line, like, just find one of these places. They're popping up everywhere where you can just go and refill safe products. No chemicals, no fragrances, no nothing. They're completely safe. There's just, there's so many options. Why not? And they're not more expensive either. Right. It's just a new habit.

Mine's so cheap. My laundry is so cheap. Bulk, that's it lasts forever.

All right, well, so to wrap it up, what would you say some of the current challenges in regulating EDCs from.

A regulatory perspective or from an individual perspective?

From a regulatory perspective, like, God.

I think the challenge is that there's no one smoking gun.

And is it like when we think about the FDA and stuff, they're not on it, right? They don't have to be on it.

No.

Right.

They're not doing anything. They have no bandwidth. They're not gonna, they don't. There's no certifying by the FDA anyway. They don't do any of that stuff. So. So, you know, it's, it's pressure that we have to put and it. And it's pressure of us buying our purchasing power for the companies too. Companies are listening. They are changing. You know, they are moving to regenerative agriculture. Some of the biggest companies in the world.

Yeah.

Literally. I know this firsthand. Like so, so it does work. They know what's going on. They know that these conversations are happening. They know that the growing number of people are becoming aware of this stuff. I have the most faith in that than some pop up agency that says they're going to do something about it. I hope they do. I have faith in the agencies that have popped up. Like Environmental working group, like Mamavation, like Campaign for Safe Cosmetics and there's a bunch more. Like I have faith in those because that's, you know, even food babe. Right? Even the work she's been doing, like she's just kicking ass just like testing this stuff herself and like, like that's it. And if she hasn't alone shown for years, like that's not okay. I'm putting pressure on you. I'm using my platform and next thing I know she's in their offices.

Yeah.

And they're trying to negotiate how they change fast enough or else they're just going to get the crappy out of them. That's the beautiful thing about social media and media. Let's use our numbers. We have the numbers always.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah. It's purpose driven. What I love about a lot of the people that you're mentoring, mentioning EWG Food babe. The petitions that go out to just ignite the conversation to make the change. It's all happening. Right. So don't gloss over those Things you've mentioned a couple of really great platforms to check out. Would you say that there's a top three for listeners to just go, okay, you know, I'm gonna go check out these products against these three platforms. Are there three that you typically go to?

Yeah, I mean, I'm building out my marketplace of vetted stuff so people can go to my marketplace. And MamaVation is a great one. Literally. MamaVation.com she. She was on my podcast. Leah. Just tireless work. Incredible. And, and listen, Environmental working group. I don't think they get enough. Enough attention because they've got all of these, you know, you can plug in this company, that company, and they'll rate it and, and going, hey, what about. What about laundry detergent? What about makeup? And they've got it in there, or they've written about it, or they've. They've rated it. So, you know, and again, campaign for safe cosmetics, like these things especially for the women like you to navigate. Like, how many, you know, lipsticks are there? How many companies? How much? How many? The next skin care company. Like, the good news is there's very few that are actually good for you.

Absolutely. Yeah, that's a good point.

Right. So don't be overwhelmed by how many. Just find the ones that are just who you love and who are doing good for you, and then that won't suppress you over time. That will lift you up. Because we need strong women in the world.

Absolutely. And I want to shout out ewg. So I spoke on a panel for them last year, and they had so many women there just speaking on all different buckets of the things that we've talked about today. But there's really great initiatives that are happening if you just get involved. So if it's checking out their site, signing up for a newsletter, checking out your store when it comes out, wrapping things up. You know, we've talked about the doom and the gloom. We've talked about the education and feeling empowered. Paint a picture of the future. I think a lot of these changes that are happening are going to happen in our lifetime.

Yeah.

Like, I think they're starting to happen faster and faster. But if you could just, like, paint a vision for the future, what are you hoping for?

Well, number one, I believe in the power of the human spirit beyond any other power. I mean, the power that moves life forward is the power that we are so. So we can change anything we want. And so that. That the power of common sense and doing right in the world. I believe, of course, you have a lot of people doing stupid shit. And that continues to this day. I'm not interested in them. I'm interested in gathering, having these conversations like this and gathering people that care. So that to me is the most, probably the most powerful thing. What was the other, what was the question?

Just the vision of the future that you have.

Yeah, the vision.

Because I feel like you can see it like you've gone through everything. You're having your laugh out loud moments.

No, no, I, I, the vision, I mean the thing that keeps me going is the vision. Like from the vision of my own property to. Again, I, what keeps me going is that whole thing of when you believe in something and hold to it, it definitely attracts other people. You know, I've been on, I've been witnessed and receiving information about frequencies of healing the body that will make your literally in the last two weeks that have taken a quantum leap that are so inspiring that will bypass so much other stuff and allow you to truly heal. And really from old technology, Dr. Royal Rife in the early 19, before 1920s and then Tesla and there's a lot of stuff coming online. There's a lot of powerful stuff around AI to support an individual person's journey that I've been working on.

So it can be used for good.

Exactly. So it's how you use these things. So you know, I am surrounded by incredible people and I'm, I'm pouring more of my energy into projects and people and so I'm, I'm inspired by them. So I, I, I without a doubt know that we can be the best versions of ourselves and society. And I also know that you shouldn't be taken down by the people that won't.

Right.

And will not change.

Yeah.

And don't let that create your vision.

Yeah.

Let them do whatever the hell they want. Let them, whatever. If they're causing you harm, then protect yourself. Right. But get away from those people and create the utopia. And, and listen, there's a rabbit hole that I could get into around clean energy technology that I'm involved with with for the last decade that, so what I see is sovereignty. I see freedom in people. I see freedom in our society. Water, power, food, shelter, health. And I, and I see the fabric of it being created right in front of me with the people that are around. So yeah, I believe in absolute, utter utopia bliss. Beauty. Not, not from a granola point of view, that too. But you know, growing our own food, living powerfully with our own power and water creation and waste, annihilation and a completely different way of doing things that's upon us, that's happening, and it will happen.

I'm with you use that powerful word frequency. And I think that what's happening right now is we've lived for a little while. Where we go online, there's a lot of bashing and anger against brands. That's fine. If that gets you interested, great. But what I really love about you is the fact that you are bringing the awareness with such a beautiful kind of growth, mindset approach about the possibilities that exist. So thank you for that. Are you ready for some rapid fire questions?

Sure.

Quick ones. How do you think people are making healing and health too complicated?

How do I think by not doing what it is they know to do, not listening to their common sense.

What's your favorite ancient healing remedy?

Oh, wow.

I feel like you've got a lot.

Of this favorite remedy. I mean, I go into so many different. I think my, my favorite was the knowledge and the ceremony I was in with Wallace Black Elk before he passed away. That comes from the lineage of Black Elk Speaks.

Wow.

And he said that the knowledge is directly here for you and he meant all of us. And that you don't need brains on your back like a book. If you're willing to ask, you can receive.

Beautiful. Yeah, powerful. If you had to pick something about modern medicine that excites you, what would it be?

Well, modern medicine. Oh, what does it excite me? Fine. I know there's a lot about modern medicine, about the industrialized medicine.

Modern medicine, let's put it maybe through the lens of biofeedback, biomarker testing, stuff like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's, I would say that's, that's not even mainstream. Right. So that's, I would say, I would say the thing that I'm most excited about is what I was hinting at was that every. Everything literally is frequency. Everything. Right. And when we understand what those frequencies are, when they're not in harmony, we can then use frequency to create harmony again. So. So I have seen, I have experienced those types of modalities and they are coming online in such a powerful way using technology, backing it up with blood tests and everything else, validating all of these things. So it's not like out there science. It's very grounded, but it's very actionable. And it's very now to be able to. To be able to respond to what your bio body and biology is doing right now and where it's at right now and what you can harmonize with right now to change It. So that's. That's happening.

I'm laughing because I need to have you back on. Just to talk about.

Oh, my God.

I'm doing my master's at the Quantum University. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. Then you're gonna lose your mind when we have a call, when we have a conversation about the people that I've been talking to.

Oh, cool.

The things that are coming down the line. Yeah.

All right, Last two. Three things that you would just recommend that people start doing to optimize their health.

I would. It's always a big one. Filter your water, get a glass bottle. That's easy. Add some, you know, unrefined salt, pinch of it, and eliminate that toxin. And again, I'm just gonna be a broken record. Like you literally eat whole food.

Yeah.

And move your damn body more, you know, and, and flip the script on the 93% of your life inside and try to get your ass outside.

Absolutely. If you could leave our listeners with just one takeaway that you're most passionate about right now.

I just said it.

Yeah, you mentioned a few.

I'm moving on this hormonal thing in a, In a powerful business way to, to help combat some of this. Part of it is based in the lifestyle and, and fatal conveniences. Part of it has also helped to steer this, this hormonal system for both men and women back online. So I'm, I'm very focused on that in a lot of different ways. Both frequency, both in herbs, both in lifestyle. So, yeah, I'm, I'm stoked.

Just in this last rapid fire, I can hear people being like, yes, yes. I want to know more. So what's the best way for people to find you and connect with you?

Yeah, just. Darrenolean.com Darren Olean on social. You should be able to find most of what I'm doing.

An incredible line of barucas also.

Yeah. Great. Ancient, nutrient dense, super nut of the savannah. It's a lovely project we've got going on there.

I can't wait to do a deeper dive with you. I'm so grateful for today. Thank you. My heart is so full. I've never felt such a full range of emotions. So I'm so grateful. Thank you so much.

Yeah. Thank you.

Till next time.

Cheers.

Cheers.