LOVE, DATES & HEARTBREAK Pamela Jean A New Life Coaching

We are now recording, and I just want to welcome everybody. Thank you so much for coming today and watching our Zoom Live with Kay Eskridge from Phoenix, Arizona, and Angela Landrum from Tulsa, Oklahoma, and myself from Tulsa, Oklahoma. This is going to be a very candid, open conversation about love, dating, and heartbreaks. We all have been through it in one way or another. And you know what? Here's the really cool thing is we all survive. We will all survive when you go through that part of your life. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we all become stronger and better people because of it. And I've asked these two awesome women to join me very specifically because I've known Kay for many years, and I know that she is such a dynamic, awesome person and has an incredible story to tell. And I love her and I believe in her so much. Angela, I just recently met within the last two months. You know how you meet certain people and you have this crazy instant connection? Well, it was like that with Angela and I. We ended up sitting next to one another randomly at a little luncheon and. And met for coffee. And I just was able to have such great conversation with Angela, and she has an amazing story. I can't wait for you to hear it. So Angela is going to kick us off. If you have any questions that you want to ask in chat, please do so, and we will try to answer some of those questions. So, Angela, take it away.

Sure.

Thank you, Pamela, for having me.

It is great to get to connect.

With people amidst this isolation. So even if it is just the three of us.

Good.

Me too.

I'm enjoying this. So, you know the topic that you asked us to talk about on heartbreak and relationships? For me, I'm going to talk about my marriage and then the demise of the marriage and where I'm at now. And I was raised in the Baptist church and forever, you know, you didn't get a divorce. It was not an option, and you didn't really discuss your issues, and you just kind of took what you were given and you were supposed to smile and endure and make the most of it. And so for 16 years, I gave birth to babies and raised babies and worked in and out of the house, did that. And really lost myself in the last, you know, probably four years of that relationship because I was just drowning in this. In this relationship, this toxic relationship that did not have God as the center and the focus. And although he was the center and focus of my world, he was not the center and the focus of the marriage. And when you have conflicting leadership and you have conflicting foundational issues, it's a recipe for disaster. So after 16 years of marriage, and I'm actually still going through the process this two years now of filing for a divorce and trying to leave that relationship. But through this, the whole process, you know, my faith has been absolutely grounded in the foundation of what Jesus expects from us. And so to struggle with is divorce. Okay, how does God view me? How does the world view me? You know, what does life look like after that? And being in a leadership role or any, any center of influence in other women coming to you or looking at you and how you are responding to your own mistakes and how you respond to how society perceives you, it's really been a challenge and it continues to be a challenge. But I have to say that just knowing that God accepts the divorce when there are hardened hearts and there are not people who repent from their sins and turn back to him and understand that he is a gracious and a loving and a merciful God and He really does want us to prosper and grow in our walk with him, in our influence of others and how we impact the world and how we are disciples and we build one another up and we lead by example because none of us are perfect. To have this ideology that it's good, you know, there is perfection in relationship, it's absolutely false. But to know that there is God as the center and the grounding, then with him and through him all things are possible. So I mean, that's just kind of dumping a bunch. I was married and I am going through a divorce and I do have four children and I am a single mother and I am an entrepreneur and I am self employed and it is a struggle. But I know that God has great plans for me and for my family. And the most important thing that I can do is just share Jesus love with my kids and keep him at the focus for what he has in store. So, Pam, if you want to, you know, direct some of the.

Oh my gosh, Angela. I just love how honest you are about your situation and honest that you are about. It's hard. I think sometimes when you're going through something people don't realize it's hard because every time I've seen you, whether it be online or in person, Angela, you have it together. You always look amazing, you have a beautiful smile on your face and all of those things. But for you to say, I'm an entrepreneur. I'm a single mother of four and it's Hard. That is the most honest thing you could possibly say. Because I think sometimes you feel like you're on an island all by yourself and you're the only one going through it, and no one realizes how hard it is unless you been through it. But for you just to be honest and say how hard it is, I think that's incredible. And, you know, I think I can identify with you in, you know, going through divorce as well. Did I have the right reasons to be able to go through that divorce in the eyes of God? Because that was important to me, that that was deemed as being okay. So do you have anything else you want to share with our ladies?

Well, I mean, I do like to talk, so, yeah, I share a lot of stuff. But I also. I mean, I want to say that I made poor choices in especially the latter days of the. Of the marriage. I made really poor choices that were harmful to me and harmful to my kids not knowing it, but I was drowning. And so I think that through Christ that there's redemption too. So some of us think, you know, we think that our sin or our shame is far greater than what our God can redeem us from. And that's just not true. So no matter how ugly it gets, the ultimate victory is that we turn back to God. And what's like, okay, I cannot do this anymore on my own and have asked for help from all of these different sources. And I feel like I have exhausted my resources and God is just in your hands. And so I'm not sure if you two ladies, I would imagine that both of you are successful and somewhat independent. And so when we have that spirit in us, because we survive and we get things done and we just keep moving, that sometimes that reset is okay. Let God, let go and let God. And I mean, here we are, 24 months, 23 months into the process, and I am dating a man that loves Jesus. And it is unlike any other relationship I have ever experienced in my whole life because I have opportunity to pursue God and have a companion in that same role. So I will. I will leave it at that.

That's so great, Angela. Thank you so much for sharing your story and your positivity. The good, the bad, the ugly, because it's all true and just. I appreciate you so much. All right, Ms. K, you're in the hot seat now, my friend.

The dogs were barking in the background.

No problem, no problem. They're never quiet when you need them to be.

No, they're not.

They're like children. They know when you're on the phone.

Yes, they do. And, well, they are my children. So my story is. I think all of our stories to some degree, are similar and different all at the same time. They're similar because we're women and we feel things as women do, and we see things from our perspective and we know things because of the fact that we are women. And I think the blessing and what you've done, Pam, is to bring women together in a sisterhood that gives us a place where there is no judgment and where sometimes society may. We may feel society judging us, because really they probably don't. But we tend to feel that they do. We're in a place here within this group and within the sisterhood that. That's all gone. Believe me, if I was feeling judged, I would not have dyed my hair this color. I dyed my hair this color because I don't give a flip right at this point.

I'm glad you edited your flip.

I did.

I did.

I figured this was G. What F.

Word is she gonna say?

Col drain from your face.

Phew.

She edited her F word.

Thank you.

I love you so much.

I know you know how hard that was.

I know it was really hard.

And I. I have a rubber band every time I want to say a swear word, but for those. I'm sorry. That cracked me up. Angela, I don't know you well enough to swear in front of you yet, but I think that to be given a place like this where we can come together and not feel judged and. Guys, it's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better with what we're going through as a society right now. And I'm not going to be doom and gloom, but I am going to be a realist. We are going to be facing things that we as a humankind, as a human race, have never faced before. A lot of the nurturing and the caregiving and the supportive, loving part of what we are expected to feel is and expected to portray is going to be pushed to the limit as families are thrust into staying at home and living in close quarters. And again, I kind of off topic, but at the same point, knowing that there's a place in the sisterhood and a new life and the place you've created for us, Pam, to vent these frustrations and to have open chats like this is going to be vital to keeping us each healthy, our mind, body, and our soul. So kind of a little off topic, but amen. Raise the roof for that. I'm hoping that this type of the chat will become more and more frequent on your, on your site. I urge you to keep this going, even if it's a topic like how to not go crazy, you know, when you're locked up with your children for five days.

I know I'm a teeny bit glad my kids are grown just a little.

And mine just got fur, so mine.

Are in the background.

Back to the subject of hand at hand, of love loss and dealing with emotional rollercoaster that falling in love and falling out of love creates within our own self. And I can only speak to my experience. I got married right out of college. I made my college sweetheart greatest guy in the world. Loved him, love him. He since passed, but I still feel his presence with me every day. We were married for 15 years, but I got married at 21. I didn't even know who the hell I was at 21, let alone who he was. And yet you put these two kids together, you put them in the same industry, you build a business. We had a business together, then we were photographers together. And these two young children, really. And I grew up. And what's funny that you said that I grew up. And so much of this is generational too, with a mother whose attitude was put on a happy face, your father's coming home. So what does that translate to is that we didn't have problems because we just smiled through them. That no matter what went on at home or no matter what my sister and I were fighting, the minute that door opened, we put on a happy face. Our father was coming home. And my Dave, Mack's husband, he grew up with a family that lived in the country club. And they didn't have problems because they didn't discuss them. So you get these two kids together, one who doesn't discuss problems, one who just knows to put on a happy face. And no wonder we fell apart. We just didn't have the tools of communication to keep it together when we really needed it. So, you know, fast forward through a variety of different relationships and I was fairly.

I was.

I am monogamous with my relationships. Even in college and after Dave and I split, I always stayed with one person for long periods of time. So I didn't go through that dating scene. I can't attest to that, but I can now. Look, now that I'm looking back and I'm 50, I'm a speed limit, let's just say that. Double nickels. I now am finally at a point of understanding in my own life how I am with myself and what I will and will not put up with yes. And that wasn't the same person who got married when she was 21 years old. And I now am looking for different things in a man that I looked for back then because I know I can be my own hunter gatherer, I can make my own money. I am an entrepreneur. I don't need a man to complete me. I want a man to be my partner in life because it's a hell of heck. Sorry. It's a heck of a lot more fun having a partner in my life. And there are benefits to having that. But I think the older we get as women, we become self reliant and feel good enough about ourselves to where it's okay if maybe I'm alone for a while. It doesn't mean I'm a cuckoo bird or that there's something wrong with me or that I'm less of a woman or that, you know, why aren't you married? Well, maybe because it's my choice not to be married right now. Maybe married doesn't necessarily mean to me what it used to mean. And maybe I don't give a flip about what society thinks about me because I am okay with who I am at this point. But it took me 30 some odd years to finally get here. And honestly, this revelation, this K that you're seeing right now is not the K I was even eight months ago or a year ago or two years ago. I was a chocolate mess. I mean, you may not have known that because I put on a happy face.

My father was coming home, I knew.

But I was a swirling Tasmanian mess. And it's taken a lot of hard work to get where I am now. But I wouldn't change the. I wouldn't change the ride because I'm better through it and because of it. But heartache and heartbreak can send you down a real dark, deep dark place. And it makes you question everything about yourself. So that's when you rely on your friends, you rely on your sisterhood. You send up a message on Facebook in the group and say, I'm having a really crappy day. I'm thinking about eating like a whole box of chocolate. Somebody reach out to me, you know, and we'll virtually chocolate together. Because I would want, I would be that kind of girlfriend for you, I would help you that way. But in all seriousness, it's not easy. And relying on your faith and relying on your inner being and your core and relying on your friendship and your family is really the only way we're gonna get through all this. Because heartache Sucks.

It does. And I will just say this to you, Kay, we've been having some really deep conversations, probably starting, what, two years ago, would that be? I mean, I've known you for many, many years, but our deep conversations probably happened about two years ago. And I could not be more proud, excited, thrilled, whatever for you, because you've done so much hard work. And I'm just so blessed because you're in my life, and I'm so proud and happy for where you are in your life. And, I mean, it's just. I mean, I'm getting all. I'm a big old crier, so I'm gonna get all teary, but it's just. I'm just so happy for you because I know there's such a sense of peace about you that I have never known to be there. And not because you didn't want it, but you just hadn't found it yet. And I'm just so thrilled that you are at that place of peace in your life. So thank you so much for sharing your story. I know that's going to resonate with the women that listen to this and that have been in your shoes or are in your shoes or are going to be in your shoes, because we all kind of follow the same journey. Our paths are so similar, it's ridiculous and we just don't know it. We're not open with each other to realize that, man, we're all going through this stuff at the same time. The details might be different, but the journey is the same. So thank you so much for sharing that.

Thank you. It's kind of cathartic, too. I mean, I think Angela would agree that. Actually, Pam, you told me this. The more you tell your story, the less hold it has on you. And that resonated with me. And the more I tell my story, the more I see my story from a different perspective and actually, the more strength it gives me. And I don't know if that makes sense or that's just the weird coconut juice I have going on up here, but I get stronger and. And hear my own voice saying these things, and I'm like, dang, that that's true.

It's such great stuff. And I think part of that is taking ownership of your life and ownership of your journey. So many times there's things about your life that you don't want the whole world to know, that you want to keep it a secret. You just, you know, it's like you want to lock it up and tuck it away, but the more you Tell your story. The good, the bad and the ugly, the less power and control it has in your life. Because truly, it is simply your journey. That's all it is. And when you own it and when you talk about it and face it head on, it completely has no power or no control over you. It is like a tiny dot on your radar of life. And that it is nothing more than a dot of that timeline. It's all it is, is a little dot. We give that little dot so much control and power, but once we start talking about it and sharing it and looking at that dot of how can that situation work for me, not against me. Because our past and our history is truly to work for you and for your future. It's not meant to keep you back there. You're not a victim to it. You're a survivor of everything. But it happens for you, not to you. And I think when you turn that corner, there's a level of healing, acceptance, and love for yourself. That that is the only way that you can accomplish that. I really, really believe that. And you have just. You're just amazing. You have done so many great things. And I love your heart. I love who you are. I love that you want to say F bombs and you don't. I just love that about you because you're so. You're Real restraint. But you're un. Unapologetically you. And I love that. I love that about you and Angela. I felt the same about you when I first met you, that you were about as real as anyone I had ever met. I did not feel like I was sitting next to a stranger. When we sat together at that luncheon. I felt like I had known you forever. And our conversation proved that to me. And our first coffee was so delightful. And I will tell you all, incidentally. Angela is going to be our caterer for our Live a New Life conference.

That's her.

This is her.

Yes.

I was telling Kay how amazing you were.

Oh, my gosh.

And how you were going to make that.

I know.

Virtual hug. Do it. Because.

Oh, my gosh.

Yes. So I talked. I mean, I have spoken about you, Angela, and I'm just. You're so great. Because food is not my thing. Food is your thing. Because Angela's like, food, what do you want to do? And I'm like, okay, don't I eat. I don't love it. I mean, I don't eat to live. I live to eat. So, you know, our opposite of that. I just. Food's not my thing, so I need someone who is so beautiful with your presentation is amazing and it's just going to add to the great experience. So I'm so excited and she's phenomenal.

So very much looking forward.

Yes, I cannot wait because it's all going to come together. When the timing is right, when our world settles down, it's all going to happen. We just have to roll with the punches. And, you know, we're making lemonade out of lemons and it's going to be a beautiful thing.

Without vodka.

With no vodka.

Exactly.

We're not going to. No vodka in the lemonade for sure.

You know, I want to say one more thing, too. Well, a couple things, but I don't want cut into Angela too much. But one thing about the conference is that the more of this kind of thing that we get the chance to do, suddenly I feel like when we. The conference is face to face, it's going to be like coming home. I mean, it's going to be like Angela, you know, whereas had it worked out, it was going to work out, we would have made friends. But now when we do have this wonderful conference, we're all going to know each other already and what a blessing.

I know, I know. And honestly, it's just, I'm not a. I'm not a doom and gloom. I am not that person. When I made the decision to make the postponement, it honestly was not a hard decision to make, just simply because it's like, you know what? There's a reason for this. It's happening for a reason. And it's going to be fine. It's going to be probably better than anything I could have ever imagined. So I truly, truly believe that. And it's going to happen. So we'll just have to see what happens in our world and we'll roll with the punches and when the timing is right, it's going to all come together perfectly. So I have all the confidence in the world for that. So I want to share my story. And just because I know it can help someone. And it's not about. It's really not about me, but it's just about whatever I can share with someone else that will make a difference in your life. That's what's important to me today. So I have been divorced twice and I'm on my third marriage. And I will be very honest with you, I am not proud of that. I am not at all proud of that. I have always been a strong Christian. I wasn't raised in a Christian home, but made that choice as I was in my late teens, so I'm not proud of that fact. And one of the things that I think is so important for you to do is to dig deep within yourself and understand why you chose the people that you choose to be in your life. Why did I choose the people, the men to be in my life that I chose that, you know, obviously because of the divorces were not right for me. I am blessed with amazing children through those relationships so that I will never, ever regret. I have three children and then two bonus kids that I love more than life itself. So that to me is the greatest blessing. But like you, Angela, I think it's important for you to understand, you know, why did I make the choices that I made through the people that I chose? I think we have to take responsibility for our own decisions and take responsibility for understanding ourselves. Well, one of the things that for me is most of my life I had a very low self esteem. I never felt comfortable in my own skin. And like uk, I settled. You just kind of settle, you just take it, you just put a smile on and it's going to be okay. And I always felt if I did the right thing and I worked hard and I did all the things right, it was going to work out somehow it was all going to work out. And I really believed that. But clearly it didn't work out the way I thought it would end up turning out. And that's okay because of those bad relationships. It helped me understand what a good relationship looks like. And when you can wrap your head around that, I think that's the most important thing. So one of my coaching clients asked me a really great question. She said to me, how did you ever have the courage to be married again? Because I'll be honest with you, after divorce number two, I was done. There was no way on this earth that I was going to be married again. Clearly the number one common denominator in those marriages was me. And I felt like, okay, what is wrong with me? And I put myself on a journey of doing a lot of soul searching to understand why I settled for certain things in my life. How did I allow certain things to be ok? And I worked on myself for almost two years. Hardcore counseling and therapy and life coaching, all of those things. Just have a better understanding of myself. One of my daughters asked me one day, you know, mom, are you going to think about dating again sometime? It's been almost, you know, it's been a year and a half. Are you thinking? And I'm like, I am not there. In fact, I don't think that I will ever be there. I'm comfortable being alone. I love being alone. Like both Kay and Angela, I'm an entrepreneur. I'm a hustler. I work hard. I'm independent. I'm going to make crap happen. It's. I'm gonna do it. I don't need someone in my life to complete that part of my world. So being a single woman for the rest of my life actually sounded like a great idea. I thought I could easily do that. The two differences. Number one, I found a place of love and contentment with myself being 150% comfortable in my own skin. I love everything about me. I don't want that to sound arrogant or anything, but I am so comfortable with who I am. It doesn't matter if someone doesn't like me. It is okay. I don't care. I mean, I'm not going to do something to make someone not like me. But if you don't like me for who I am, that is okay. That is on you. That is not on me. Whereas I would take things so personally that. What's wrong with me? Not even realizing that when there was those conflicts, it was not about me personally. It was about the other person and their insecurities. It's taken me 50 years to figure that out. I mean, seriously. So reason number one that I was able to make that decision to be married again, truly was because I finally fell in love with myself first. And I have never fell in love with myself first. So that is reason number one. Reason number two is God sent me my husband, the man that I am married to today. I never, in my wildest dreams, and I think, Angela, you can attest to this, too, imagined that I could be so compatible and happy with another human being. We love the Lord together. We worship together. He is my biggest fan. He would just lay his life down for mine, and I would do the same for him. There's no competition. There's no. There's just. It's just love. That's all it is. It's patience and love and kindness. And I'll just get a little weird on you all, and that's fine. You can think I'm crazy, and that's okay. But I. God showed him to me in a dream before I met him. And I woke up thinking, well, that was a weird dream. That doesn't even make any sense. But he showed him to me in a dream, and about a month later is when I met him. And I remembered that dream. And I Thought, oh, my gosh, this, this is him. This is who God showed me. I would not have been able to see, see any of that if I hadn't worked on myself first. And if I hadn't fallen in love with me, I would not have been able to fall in love with him. So truly, before we can be loved 110% unconditionally by another person, whether it's a family member, your mother, your sister, your brother, a spouse, you have to be able to love you before anyone else can love you completely. Because you can't accept the love until you love you first. So, yes, and that's, you know, Angela, please share your thoughts on that.

Well, what we have all said in so many different words is the process of self discovery. And so not knowing what we wanted or why we accepted the things that we did when we were younger versions of ourselves. And here we, we are experiencing life and maturing as a human being and then realizing, okay, so these standards are not acceptable. And I don't have to endure this. And this is truly what our heavenly Father has in store for us. And then we begin to walk that out. So that process of self discovery is huge. And I feel like as women, you know, we're at different ages and stages in our life. And I didn't have, my parents weren't married forever, so I didn't come from a background where I had generations of influence that were coaching me and mentoring me and teaching me how to live life. So now, as you know, where I'm at in my position, I want so much to do that for my kids, and I want to be there for other women so that we can help them make better choices and understand themselves so that they don't have to go through the hardships that we've gone through. And I think we all speak to that in our own, in our own journey, right?

Absolutely. You know, all three of us have taken different journeys. Our paths are different, but our end results are the same. Our end result is that I love who I am. I know, Kay, you love who you are. And Angela, the same for you. That is the key, is that you have to do the self discovery. Angela is so important to work on you before you can work on the relationship or work on the partner. And that doesn't mean that if you're in a difficult relationship today, right now, it doesn't mean that divorce is your answer. Absolutely not. I mean, if you have an opportunity to save a family, that's important. That's number one, save your family. But I do believe that it's not always savable if you're not walking the same walk and if you cannot get on the same page, obviously there's issues. And then, of course, if there's physical emotional abuse, that's a completely different topic. But at the end of all of this, the self discovery and learning to love who you are, falling in love with yourself has to happen first before you can love other people and before they can love you.

Absolutely. And I don't. Are we doing okay on time?

Yeah, we're good. We can wrap it up and whenever you guys are done.

Oh, okay. Well, one thing that you had urged us to do at the beginning of the year was kind of pick our own word of the year. And I chose the word grace for Maya. And when I chose that word, I was thinking of my mother giving my mother grace. Because right now, she's making me crazy. I'm blessed and cursed with having a mother like she is. I love her to death, but she makes me nutty, as most mothers do. But to condense it, father's going through dementia. They're in their 80s. Move them from Payson two hours away, down to Phoenix just a month ago. Life is getting better. Things are finally. My world seems to be kind of doing this again, rotating on its right axis. But I found that my mother making me crazy and people sometimes making me crazy. What was happening is I wasn't giving them the grace to be who they were. I wasn't allowing them to naturally be who they would be with me. And understanding that a lot of my mother is generational and she's the way she is because of the way she was raised and because of the way her grandmother raised her and so on and so forth. And Pam, you and I spoke about, you know, breaking that chain of happy face, your father's coming home. That expectation of leave it to Beaver cleaver families where everything was perfect and June had great hair and this perfect skirt and bacon was ready at the right time. And, you know, that whole Persona that we as women have been led to believe, that was what was expected of us. So I needed to give my mom grace that she could only do the best she could in raising me. And then it would be up to me to see that and then do the best I could. Now I don't have children. That wasn't part of God's plan, and that's okay. But if I can share that grace and that understanding with women in this forum or with the tweens that I photograph or the mothers of the tweens that, you know, we have to be willing to give grace. With that being said, the strongest lesson I've learned right now is I have to give myself grace and that I can give grace to as many people as I want. And that sounds all great, but until I give it to myself. And when I finally gave myself that, the grace to be who I am, warts and all, ups, downs, crazy sideways crying, fits in the shower, jumping up and down and doing a happy dance for no reason until I gave myself grace. That was the turning point for me, Pam, is when I finally said, give yourself the grace. Give it to you. So for those of you that are listening, sit down and think about that and give yourself grace right now. Allow yourself the freedom to make mistakes, celebrate your victories. Try to understand, if something didn't work, work it out in your own heads. But give yourself that grace. Because I know as hard as it is, we're not perfect. None of us are. And by knowing that and accepting that and giving yourself that grace, it sure takes a lot of pressure off.

Right? Yes, that absolutely resonates. And the thing that I'll follow up with that is we would not speak to another human being the way we speak to ourselves. Inside here and inside here. Some of the things that I have told myself over the years, I would never ever say speak to anyone else. So why? Why do we allow ourselves to demise and demean who we are? Because I would never say what I say said to myself to another human being, ever. So tagging into that grace and going back to, you know what? You are okay. You're not perfect. And it's okay that you're not perfect. You are an incredible human being. Your heart is in the right place. Giving yourself that grace, you would never speak to someone else the way you speak to yourself. And that self talk is all part of that learning to love yourself and that self discovery and wrapping that all up together.

Yeah.

Wow.

Good.

Okay. Any final thoughts, ladies, before we wrap it up today? Are we good?

No, I think this is great. And there are all sorts of topics.

That we could probably continue to talk about. Oh, my gosh, so many. I know. It's like my behind the scenes brain is already working on it. This was so perfect.

You guys.

Go ahead, Angela.

No, I was. Thank you.

Oh, my gosh. Thank you both. Kay and Angela, thank you so much. So much. I just want to mention, Kay is a photographer from Phoenix, Arizona. She is absolutely amazing. She mentors other photographers. If you ever need some mentoring or guidance she is your girl. She is phenomenal. I love and adore her. Kay also has a second business that she started called the Connected Bead. Correct. Yes. Okay, so we are going to be featuring the connected. Yes. The rubber band.

Don't say it. Don't say it.

We are going to be featuring Kay and her new business in the next couple of weeks. So I'm excited to introduce you to the Connected beat. She is doing some amazing work with. With her beading. So I'm excited about that.

It's intentional beading, so it's got healing crystals and that's filled with good, for lack of terminology, good juju right now, protective crystals to help you feel safe with clarity. Just all kinds of goodness and love. So we'll share that.

We're going to talk about that in the next couple of weeks. And Angela, I have to brag on. Angela, tell us real quickly about the nonprofit that you've started, Angela, because that is so amazing.

Sure. So everything I do is centered around food, basically. And we have a program and we focused in East Tulsa right now, which is predominantly Hispanic, a Hispanic community. And we educate people. We give them the work skills that they need to get back into the workplace or to advance in the workplace. We provide a language lab so that not only can they learn to speak English, but we can learn to speak Spanish and we can break down those cultural barriers so that people can excel to the best of their ability. Basically, it's people development and it all centers around education and food. And we break down those barriers and we build that relationship and that trust by sharing a meal with someone. And then the state of crisis that the world is in right now.

I feel very compelled to.

To really be focusing on teaching people how to compost and how to grow food in small quantities at your house. And so we just really. That self sufficiency and that reliance on ourselves, we have to educate people so that we can progress as a society.

And, you know, what is the name of your nonprofit prophet?

It's called Life's Food. You know, nourishment for the soul. It's, you know, as you said, K and Pam, it's all about mind, body, spirit, you know, it's the whole being. It's everything. And that takes into account our relationships, our spiritual relationships, our intellect, our physical activity, everything so that we can be the best that we can be for ourselves and for our family and for others.

Awesome. So good, ladies. This was better than I could ever have imagined. Thank you so much for joining me. Kay and Angela, you guys are awesome. And if you don't mind, I'm going to invite you to come back and present again because I feel like both of you are a wealth of knowledge and I adore both of you so very much. So thank you for joining us, you guys. I love you. I love you so much. Thank you, ladies. Take good care. Bye.

Bye.

Bye.