Breakthrough Approaches to Long Covid, Mold, and Toxins with Dr. Mansour | TPE Blueprint #26

Are you treating symptoms while the real problem might be hiding in your plasma? So my guest today is Dr. Mohammed Mansour. He's going to unpack his findings, working with patients who have had long Covid mold, toxic metals, and the overlooked neurological damage that toxins cause as a whole. And how therapeutic plasma exchange may actually be the only intervention that can help reset our immune systems when nothing else is moving the needle. Think of it as that oil change for your body. Dr. Savage has talked about this before, how it helps clear out the auto antibodies, the forever chemicals and this toxic load that's keeping millions of people stuck in cycles of fatigue, inflammation and chronic illness. Dr. Mansour is going to break it all down. And he also has a very step by step approach of how he, how he works with patients that I think can also shine a light, help you as well. So, so let's dive into it.

Doctor Mansour, it's great to have you here, man. Thanks for taking the time. How you doing?

Thank you. Likewise. I appreciate it like what you guys are doing.

Thank you. Yeah, we're all, well, we're all doing something that's, that's trying to push the limits here.

Right.

And like stay with the times and be kind of ground. Definitely groundbreaking and everything we're doing. And that's, that's what you've been up to. I know, for, for a bunch of years too. And it feels like like we've been chatting. There's all these different new developments just in the last what like five, ten years or so. But I guess just quickly give me, give me your background, kind of like your focus. And I'm always curious to learn a little bit about the, you know, your human side and experience before we jump into some of the topics here.

Yeah, thanks, Joe. I mean I'm a naturopathic doctor. I'm licensed in California and Arizona. I have a subspecialty in regenerative medicine. In particular using ultrasound guided imagery. I do work with non autologous regenerative products. So not just like bone marrow or PRP or blood derived products that are regenerative, but actually from third party donors, so namely exosome based care and also placental matrix and other orthobiologics that have exciting potential. And I obviously in the last five years everyone had to get versed in chronic fatigue syndrome, you know, myalgic encephalomyelitis, all the things that hit after Covid. And I think whether you like it or not, you kind of have to get into the world of multiple systemic Infectious disease. So that could be Lyme, Covid viral, could be any one of those. So I definitely have a focus in the world of tick borne related illness and chronic infections as well as just how to, how to get rid of those. And a lot of times it can be very persistent. You need creative tools to get rid of that.

Because you said, yeah, things have changed a lot in the last, like I said, about five, five, five, six years or so since like Covid time, I guess. What's your. Yeah, what's your perspective on it? Like, how's it changed from your side? Is it like a different approach that you have to take now or just new things?

Absolutely. I mean it's multimodal. You know, I know there's a lot of direct to consumer lab companies hitting up, you know, the algorithms on, on Instagram and saying, hey, you can just buy this yourself and figure out what's going on with you. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. You know, you have environmental toxins, you have heavy metals, you have mold, you have multiple triggers that can lead to long Covid that could have just been already simmering in your system. You need a specialist for that. You need somebody who's versed in environmental medicine and chelation, heavy metal toxicity, and also intravenous nutrition. Because a lot of people can't absorb things through their gut, they're going to need other ways to get treatment intravenously and bypass the gut, at least initially for some folks. So definitely a multimodal approach is what I found to work best. I don't see silver bullets. Even though I'm a naturopathic doctor, I do love herbal medicine. It's not always enough to really get somebody over the hump. It can definitely help. It definitely can potentiate the effects of certain pharmaceuticals as well. But in and of itself, I haven't found a lot of silver bullets in the post pandemic era.

I guess, like walk me through how you define that and kind of what that can curtail, you know, like.

Yeah, I mean obviously you want blood work, you want basic understanding of a patient's physiology, you want to understand what their toxic load is, what their body burden is to. Mold is a big immunosuppressant. It can make it very difficult to fight infections like Covid or even have overlap in terms of symptomology with Long Covid, even Bruce Patterson and people who are developing Long Covid blood work panels are realizing like, hey, there's a lot of overlap. We need to tease this apart. And so you definitely need a Combination of blood work, environmental toxicity panels, urine analysis. Sometimes you need 24 hour urine because a lot of toxins don't get excreted right away. So it's not just about doing these direct to consumer kits. And you know you're going to have everything in a snapshot. It's not like that. Your body doesn't work that way. It doesn't eliminate toxins like that. And you need somebody who has a thorough understanding of half life, understanding how these toxins and potential triggers to infections, viral or mold, et cetera, are even activated and then sequestered in your body. They could be in your fat tissue, so they're not even going to show up in your blood. And they may not show up after a sauna just because you pee one time. So every, every one of these toxicants, you know, heavy metals, each one has a story. Each one can tell you something. Perfluorinates can tell you something else. The forever toxins. So it's like you really have to have someone who knows where to test, how to test and then how long to test for, because you can't always get the answer just from a snapshot. So that's kind of like the short of my approach. The long of it is, well, what do they tolerate? What is the patient actually able to do?

And so a lot of times, you know, if they're able to tolerate, you know, minuscule minerals, IVs, maybe they can't tolerate a lot of foods, they have a lot of sensitivities. Those are challenging cases. I might do more neurological based therapies that focus on their vagus nerve, that focus on recalibrating their vascular tone so that they can actually have good perfusion, they're actually awake, they can actually be alert enough to tolerate things and not react. And then you might think of things like laser therapy. So red light is a popular one. But there are many forms of laser therapy that could be effective in the realm of chronic infections. Covid toxins. Not just red light, but blue light, green light. Each one of these wavelengths have a myriad of effects on your mitochondria, the powerhouses of your cell. Different parts of your cell can get activated with different wavelengths. So it's a much more nuanced approach than just like, hey, I'm just going to get this red light pad, stick myself in a cryo chamber and call it good. And I'm going to be optimized. I'm like, not necessarily, not all the time. A lot of people who have a good vitality could get away with that. A lot of people unfortunately, who are suffering, who have maybe subclinical issues, they. That doesn't work for them. So you have to have a more nuanced approach.

Dang. Okay, so yeah, getting, getting all the testing is definitely step one, it sounds like.

And absolutely.

Yeah. And then from there, like you said, because the toxins are telling their own story. I thought that was interesting. So they're all what, like not only are you going to see a snapshot and obviously snapshots change. Right. Like over time and whatever you're doing to, to the system as well, but then what that's going to tell you kind of more or less what things that you might need to do then. Right. Different modalities.

Absolutely. And then, you know, what's the, what's the order of intervention for a patient? Like where can you meet them, where they're going to tolerate treatment. So if their elimination pathways, their liver, their digestion, they're not even pooping. You're not going to be able to get very far with a lot of oral therapies until you get that train moving again. So sometimes just opening lymphatics, doing low dose, even homeopathy, energetic based forms of herbal medicine could be potentially effective. But you know, it really depends on the case and, and you kind of have to. You make that clinical decision based on the patient.

That's crazy. Yeah. Are, is there anything else in your thinking? I guess on that, this approach to.

The multi approach, the most under, under talked about issue, I think in the last few years it's clear that long COVID 19 the pandemic has raised concerns of neuroinflammation, autoimmunity, even increased rates of cancer. The immune system is dysregulated. We can all agree on that. The literature is clear. You know, your natural killer cells, your TH1, your ability to fight viruses and cancer is definitely compromised. But the other impact of that is the brain and what it's doing to your neurological system and how you're able to perfuse your blood through your body. And that's an autonomic based system that's on autopilot. And your balance is also on autopilot. That's your cerebellar, your vestibular function. Those parts of your brain are very, very sensitive to toxins like mold or spike protein or viral or EBV or what have you. They're also very sensitive to chemical toxicants like perfluorinates, like VOCs, like, you know, you pick one, you know, of the thousands that are out there, benzene, etc. And I think the neurological aspect is definitely underplayed and sometimes recalibrating that is really important through certain rehab and certain types of evaluation before you can even get them to tolerate anything at all. Sometimes that, that needs to be done through a specialized neurological approach. It could also be done through an energetic approach. Some people respond well to body work, some people respond well to.

What they call amygdala retraining, retraining the parts of your brain that sense danger. And that's kind of like a cognitive based talk approach to that part of your brain. But it could also entail actual rehab strategies of those pathways to actually recalibrate your balance, recalibrate your body's ability to control blood pressure. And that's a challenge because that's like multidisciplinary. Now you're talking about six or seven different specialties, but you're only looking at one doctor and you're expecting them to know all that. So that's, that's a challenge is to stay up to date with like how much these issues overlap. Multiple systems. It's not just like one system that you can focus on, oh, if I remove spike protein from your blood, you're going to be fine. I'm like, no, your brain gets rewired a certain way and that needs to be addressed. That might require rehab. It's just like any other organ. And that, that's a under underlooked or, or underappreciated point because your brain controls your heart rate, it controls your vision, it controls your ability to coordinate, your ability to tolerate certain things.

And yeah, it can be something that really needs a deeper dive.

I think it's a good point to make, man. And we've had some neuro retraining folks on the podcast, which has been great, right? It's like once you chill out the nervous system, it at least alleviates the pressure right, on some of the other organs downstream. So it just makes sense to address that as well in its own way.

And you stated it like there are many ways to cut the cake. It could work for some to do the retraining to calm that part of your brain down, but some might need somatic or body therapy or frequency specific microcurrent or some other modality that kind of addresses that nervous system in a different way. You know, I do more interventional work where you can actually, you know, inject ortho biologics near your cranial nerves and get them to reboot and kind of get them to turn back on. If you have, like, ringing in your ears, tinnitus, or you have severe dysautonomic issues, a lot of times those cranial nerves get really, really irritated with viral infections or with mold or toxins or. Or inflamed lymph nodes. So there's no one way to do it and it's not going to. There's no one way that's going to work for everybody. But acknowledging that it's a focal part of, of the pathology of this post pandemic era, I think it's really important.

Totally. Well, I think you're bringing up a good point and just shows, like, how well new a lot of this thinking is, because I doubt that's what I'm realizing is like, a lot of, you know, this is a source of information, you know, in this podcast just in itself, there's a lot of doctors listening. There's also general public listening. So it's kind of like this interesting. There's just a lot of new stuff. And also it's a lot of layers for an individual doctor to handle. Right. Like, I don't know, I guess it's kind of tricky. You have to pick your doctors well. Right. Like, so I don't know, like, do you have any, like, best practices actually on that before Move on into a couple of.

Best practice is always meet the patient where they're at and always understand, you know, obviously there's a financial burden. A lot of patients who see me, they've already been to like, 10, 20 other specialists. You know, they've been to, you know, Stanford, they've been to Harvard, they've been to the top cfs, chronic fatigue clinics, and they just. Nobody has answers for them. What you need to do is understand that they have treatment fatigue, they have doctor fatigue. And a lot of times just doing one or two simple things that they could tolerate, that's affordable, that could be it for a while, and that's okay. You know, it's. It's not going to get them 100% better. It's not the fix. But that allows you to build that relationship. And I think that's the biggest one I've had to humble myself about. Because we all want to help our patients and do everything we can, but less is more is what I've realized. Like, just doing everything up front sometimes overwhelms the patient and sometimes just stepping back and just picking one or two priorities and being like, hey, let's work on your drainage. Let's work on your balance. You Know your vestibular tone, you're totally dizzy, like you can't concentrate. Let's focus on that first, because if you don't know where you are in space, it doesn't matter what I'm putting in your body, your body's always going to feel like it's in danger. So certain things like that, I feel like, have humbled me to be like, okay, I think, you know, we have to be simple in certain ways, even though it's. These are complex conditions that we're dealing with.

Makes perfect sense, though, man. So, yeah, meet them where they're at. What's going to give the biggest impact to continue momentum, however that looks like.

Absolutely. But you never want to stay behind on the science. You know, Aristo Vozdani, who's one of the premier experts and immunobiology, he just released a new Long Covid panel. He's the head of Cyrex, which is a pretty famous laboratory, and he also has immunosciences, his own company and his lab. We just were on a webinar with him last week, and his panel now has so many more autoantibodies. So these are antibodies that are attacking your brain tissue, your mitochondria, not just EBV or other viruses that are co infected with Long Covid. And these autoantibodies are related to chronic fatigue, multiple sclerosis, a lot of the neuroinflammatory picture of Long Covid and these panels just came out like they're not. Like, this is something you just constantly have to be updated on and constantly be reading about, because if you're not up to date, you don't know that. Oh, I can actually check for this stuff. And if you can get an antibody picture months before symptoms get worse, that could be the difference of saving a patient's quality of life for the next 10 years or even recommending the services that your company offers through plasma exchange and actually pulling off the plasma portion of your blood that actually harbors a lot of these autoantibodies that are attacking your brain, attacking your mitochondria, et cetera.

Hello, my name is Kerry Stewart, and I did the brain protocol for the MD lifespan. I was struggling to recall names of couples, and so I shared this with the doctor. That's when he introduced me and said, I think you're ready. And let me explain to you a tpe because this is going to help your memory, your focus, your clarity, and I truly believe you'll be a wonderful candidate for this. I have had five TPE protocols. And each time I have improved. And it's not until this last one that I honestly, I am feeling so back on top of my game. Like my brain fog is gone. I am focused more, I have more clarity. This was life changing for me and I feel so much better for it.

It's a lot to keep up with, but you got to do it somehow. And there's all sources of information. Yeah, we're doing our best here, so thanks for helping out.

No, and thank you guys. I mean, plasma exchange was a very nebulous procedure I didn't hear about except in the extreme, you know, ICU issues, like, you know, very, very complex autoimmune issues. Not even all Pans and Pandas children cases were eligible for it and you couldn't find that anywhere. So you guys are actually trying to provide this along the country. You know, kudos to you for doing that because a lot of patients would never access to it at all.

Yeah, man, it's new. And yeah, Dr. Savage and his vision with it all at MD Lifespan, it's pretty awesome.

So.

So talk to me because you have the EBOO comes up often. And as it compares to TPE therapeutic plasma exchange like we're talking about, I guess tell me your perspective because we're talking. I don't know, when is this applied? I guess defining it kind of the scenarios where you see it play is best for patients. Just kind of putting it out there.

I mean, EBOO is an acronym. It stands for extracorporeal blood ozonation and Oxygenation. That's a mouthful, but basically it's extracorporeal means taking blood out of your body. It's a two line system. So you have two IVs, there's an outline and an inline. And then in the middle there's a filtration system with a pump. The pump is pretty low level. It's pulling the blood out at a pretty reasonable low rate. And it's basically siphoning it through a filter that can trap some uremic toxins. So these are higher molecular weight. This isn't like plasma exchange, like what you guys do. This is definitely bigger molecules that can get trapped in this filter. Beta 2 microglobulin is one of them. There's several other uremic based toxins that can get trapped. Some studies and colleagues have shown that even biofilm can get trapped in it. And at the same time you're filtering the blood, you're ozonating it. So there's actually an ongoing continuous ozonation of the blood. And that's the aspect to EVOO that's a little bit different than other forms of ozone based therapy. So this is all under the category of ozone. Well, what does ozone do in the body? Well, it can boost your mitochondrial function. It boosts something called oxygen utilization. So the way your body can utilize oxygen and maximize metabolic efficiency is, is improved with exposure to ozone at the right dose, obviously in the right concentration, in the right administrative ways.

And that is a critical piece because of chronic fatigue and chronic infections. You need something to kind of improve that metabolic switch in your cells and obviously in your mitochondria too. The other offshoot that's interesting about of ozone is that it boosts nad. So that's a hot one. A lot of people are looking for NAD for energy, but ozone actually improves your, your body's natural ability to make nad. And that's a, a critical molecule to improve oxygen utilization. The way your body uses oxygen. If you can't use oxygen efficiently, you're going to be fatigued, especially after exercise. You're not going to get good perfusion to your muscles. It won't matter how much effort you put in, you're never going to get the output you want. And that's what's so devastating about a lot of the viral conditions. So if it's acute viral, let's say it's acute Covid or it's sepsis. Acute bacterial evil is fantastic for those acute situations because you're getting high throughput ozone. It's continuous, it's like a time procedure. And it's also higher surface area of the ozone to your blood because of the filter. So the, the nice thing about that, it's not like the old school. You pull a little blood out, you mix it with ozone, you, you, you kind of re infuse that back. This is actually being exposed through a filter. The ozone has much more surface area of the blood to be exposed to while it's going back in the in line. So it's much more ozonation of your blood per unit time. And it's also.

A way to kind of trap biofilm and some of the higher molecular weight toxins that are in your blood. It's not dialysis. A lot of clinics, it's a misnomer, they call it that. It is not formally known as such. And there's a lot of misdirection in terms of, well, you've never done ozone before. So let's just ship you on to evil right away. And that can be A disaster. So if somebody doesn't have the reserves of antioxidants and ability to tolerate ozone, and they've never done it before, or let's say they have certain genetic traits like a G6PD, certain blood traits that make them intolerant to ozone, that can be very dangerous. So it's not a, it's not like everybody can just do this. There is a graded scale of how I like to introduce that to a patient. But it can be a game changer for sure. It can definitely, if it's used the right way, it can turn an infection around very quickly. And I'm talking within hours. I've had septic patients post surgical. A botched testicular case, he was going to lose his testicle literally. And evil saved it. Like it basically turned sepsis around. So. And the same with acute Covid, like if you get it in that acute phase, it's money like every time. That's why they used it in Africa with Ebola, because if you can capture it at that early phase where it's still replicating, you're, you know, you're in like, you can definitely have a massive impact. Unfortunately, in the chronic cases, once it passes that initial phase of infection, you're definitely going to be more in the lines of using plasma freesis, using other ways to modulate the immune function because now you have memory cells, now your immune system has been dysregulated and now you need to reboot that and modulate that so it's no longer just about going after the infection anymore. So that's where I find the biggest distinction and vaccine injury too, between IBU and when you would use plasmapheresis.

And that's tpe, right? Yeah. Therapeutic plasma exchange is multiple names and.

I don't find that EBOO can help with. It can help in some phases of acute inflammation with vaccine injury, but I definitely veer towards plasma freezes TPE for vaccine injury, long Covid, anything that's past. Kind of like that first initial infectious phase of the first 15 days, you know, you have to start thinking. The one exception I would make is chronic lyme and chronic tick borne illness. So bartonella, because they have persistor cells and they make biofilm, you need something to capture that biofilm and at the same time kill active replicating pathogen. And that's where IBU I find it turns the lights on really quickly for those patients. Is it a, is it a silver bullet? No. Can you just rely on evil alone? Absolutely not. But in conjunction with IV therapy, lasers, you can get a lot of headway and make a really good jump start in patients, cases. When you consider it, that's interesting.

Thanks for laying that out. Like kind of the differences and just understanding it seems like, I mean, huge benefits, especially when it's a timely thing going on. Like you said active infection in some kind of time window for IBU and yeah, TPE for more of like the long term stuff, you know, that you just gotta rid. Rid from the system and toxins, you.

Know, that's a big one. You know, obviously mold is being thrown around like, hey, evil's gonna get rid of mold. Even's gonna get rid of, you know, all the spike protein. We have no evidence for that. You know, the technology was originated in Malaysia and I did train with the initial people who invented ibu, but unfortunately not everyone is using the right filtration system. They're not using the right filters. They're also potentially using too much ozone, which causes too much oxidative stress. It actually hemolyzes your blood, it breaks down the red blood cells. So that's really bad. And I don't find that it's appropriate in a lot of cases of mold toxicity because a lot of times they can't even tolerate ozone and that, you know, some of my mentors, like Dr. Neil Nathan and Jill Christa, you know, they've seen the same things like, hey, you have to be very careful with mold sensitive patients because what does mold do? It's similar to Covid. It's dysregulating your immune function. It's causing this low level inflammation. It's causing a lot of hypersensitivity mast cell histamine release. You're super sensitive. You add ozone to that mix. They don't have enough antioxidants, they don't have enough reserve to fight and their immune system is already compromised. It's a, it's, it can backfire. So that's where a lot of people get negative reactions. They get bad experiences because it was used at the wrong time. I don't say that you can't use it, but I don't think it could be used immediately in those types of cases. I definitely would lean towards plasma freezes. Especially with multiple chemical sensitivity. Mold, any, any type of toxins that are very difficult to eliminate. Perfluorinates, pfas, forever chemicals, those types of things. You, you definitely need something to pull the plasma, the soup where all the cells are living in, you gotta, you gotta pull some of that out, siphon it off and allow your immune System to reboot.

Yeah, it's like literally you got to extract it.

Talk to me about.

The IV nutrition that you get, because I think that was a key part. You mentioned it earlier, because I know that's paired up with TPE sessions.

You said it bypasses the gut. So that's kind of like where it really is played. But I guess how do you pair that to a detox therapy like this?

It can be game changing as well. It can potentiate the effects of ozone. There are certain nutrients.

Excuse me, that work in, in synergy with ozone, like artemisinin or wormwood for sure you can administer those. It's called artesinate, for sure in the cancer world, they use it a lot for cancer. But it can be layered with ozone and EBOO because it potentiates those oxidative effects. But again, you have to be careful. Can induce hemolysis, break down red blood cells if you're too aggressive. So it's kind of like this seesaw. It's kind of like a balance with infections. Obviously you can do vitamin C, you can do a myriad of amino acids and nutrients like taurine is, is very important to clear certain types of infections like klebsiella, things that create biofilm. So certain amino acids can definitely be added to IV nutritional therapy. But you know, it's a, it's a case by case basis because a lot of people need to start with just getting antioxidants like, hey, you don't have enough vitamin C or B vitamins or magnesium to even tolerate ozone. So we just got to give you some IV nutrition first. And sometimes I just have to do that first for a while, for several weeks or maybe even months if they're extremely depleted and deficient. And then we transition over to ozone later. And a lot of times, as I said, I don't do IBU right away. I do something like ozonated saline. So that's intravenous. But instead of giving ozone in this really advanced system where you pull the blood out, I just ozonate a bag of saline and administer that. And that can be really effective as a gentle way of giving some ozone and, and just allowing that patient to have that immune regulatory effect as well as giving them IV nutrition. But I think the biggest ones, obviously, you know, glutathione, vitamin C, B vitamins, amino acids, carnitine, taurine, lysine. In certain regards, especially in viral issues, all these can be given intravenously with really good results. Curcumin, now you have some compounders making other Types of nutrients, even polyphenols like green tea extract, resveratrol can be given intravenously. They have their place. But you know, you again, you have to see what's the inflammatory load. Are they even. Is it, is it like just throwing water into a wildfire? Or am I just trying to build them up slowly, give them what they need so that wildfire can get contained again? So again, that's where it's a great modality. It has 100% bioavailability, but I can't use it on its own a lot of times. What I'd like to say, in addition to IV therapy, you can potentiate the effects of IVs by doing laser therapy. And I don't think a lot of people realize there are ways to layer fiber optic lasers intravenously on top of IV therapy. That's called the Weber system, which not a lot of people are well versed in. But it can address biofilm, it can activate certain B vitamins. Like riboflavin is activated by UV light and that kills covet on contact. That's immediate. Like you, you can spray some riboflavin in your nose and express UV light and expose your nostrils to light and it'll kill the COVID right away. That's been documented. And even double envelope viruses in general. So that applies to flu, etc. So using laser as an activator of IV therapy, I think that's also underutilized, underappreciated. So it's not just, again, it's not just one thing. But if you, if you look at it like a symphony and everybody's playing their part. Hey, don't forget about the cello. Don't forget about the oboe. Don't forget about the brass section. These people, when they come together, it sounds amazing. Everyone in particular sounds great. But when you put them together, it's a different story.

It's kind of a good way to end this because like you're talking about just like the slew of how much, how layered this stuff is. I mean, the human body, obviously it's not straightforward, but it's like you got to be, well vert, you know, have the right doctor that you're, that you're going to, of course, and, and just what, ask questions and just make sure that you're, you're gonna get the treatment that's, that's best for you.

Hey, where, where's the, where can folks go chase after you? Go dive into a little bit of what you're doing if they want to go find You.

I mean, I. My website has a lot of info. It's monsourmedical.com m a n s o u r medical dot com. I. I'm. I'm not that active on. On Instagram, but you could find me there. It's doctor.com monsour/nd as a naturopathic doctor. And, yeah, you know, I try to post some things that are relevant. I have some promising research that I think your team would like to know about musculoskeletal injuries in the sports world related to Covid, because that translates to what you guys are doing on the. On the plasma fresis front. There's a lot of correlations that I think will be really, really exciting to make with your technology and your services, even with cancer and plasma freesis. And I'm really excited to see what you guys do with that.

Nice, man. Well, yeah, we'll definitely make sure you're. You're synced up with everyone there, but, yeah, go, definitely. We'll link out everything in the show. Notes, description and all that stuff, so it's easy. Dr. Mansour, thank you, man. You brought in all interesting perspectives, as it's always.

I appreciate you. No, thank you. For the platform and I'm excited. And we just got to keep it going, get more people aware of it. I'm excited. Right. We're all.

That's. That's everybody's game right now. It's more.

More awareness and just understanding that you can't always detox things. Like, sometimes you do need plasma freezes, like pfas and chemicals. You can't always sweat that out. You know, you. Unfortunately, we live in a world where we do need these technologies, so that's important to get out there.

It's good that they're here, though, man. But, well, keep doing what you're doing. And, yeah, keep sharing the notes, too. You know, this is helpful, so.

Sure. Thank you. Appreciate you.