Finding Healing And Balance With Homeopathy with Dr. Payam Hakimi

It's time for us to start creating doctors that can actually help. Because, you know, we're changing. The soil is changing, the air is changing, toxins are changing. Everything has changed since 50 years ago.

And food is not food.

What is not food?

Right, right.

So we need someone who. We need doctors to know what's happening now, not what was happening 100 years ago.

Exactly.

We're done with that exact.

Welcome to the Hope and Help podcast where we talk about science and science based tools for fatigue and chronic illness. I'm your host, Hayley Pomeray, a number one New York Times best selling author of the Fast Metabolism Diet, leading health and wellness expert. And that's right, guys, I'm back in school. I'm a PhD student right now in neuroimmunology and as always, a fierce advocate for those in need of a little bit of help and hope. Today we're going to be talking about a subject very near and dear to my heart. We are going to tackle the topic of homeopathy. Personally, I have taken homeopathic since I was 2 years old. I raised my kids on homeopathy and I think it is a very powerful form of medicine. So as you know, for our community, whenever we have a subject that we're going to tackle, I try to seek out an expert in the field, someone that is revered by many. And so today I'm very excited to have Dr. Hakimi with me. Dr. Hakimi, thank you so, so much for being here today.

Thank you very much.

It is wonderful. So you used to be in my neck of the woods, Beverly Hills. We had offices there together. And now you're here in Miami, Florida?

Yes, we moved to Miami and we're happy about it.

That's great. And when you say we, you told me your wife is from here, so I'm sure she's extra happy. Happy wife, happy life. I'm a firm believer in that. So. So, Dr. Kami, there's so much about homeopathy that I want to ask you kind of. First, let's start from the basics. What in basic terms, is homeopathy?

In basic terms, homeopathy is a substance that will create an effect in the body that will make the body accomplish something. And we think it works through the immune system. And, and it sort of is about encouraging to buy the body to get something done.

Right. I love that. I always say it's a, it's the, it inspires action in the body as opposed to kind of doing something for the body. It inspires action, is That a good kind of, that's the way I grew up thinking about homeopathy.

Exactly. That's, that's exactly how it is. And if we can think about sort of vaccines to go back in time where homeopathy started, it was the time that vaccine was sort of becoming one of the leading sort of systems of medicine at the time. So what happened is we started giving small amounts of viruses to people to sort of get their body to become, to create an action to it. And homeopathy, I think of it exactly the same way. That's what it does as well.

And so it's funny because we just had a pharmacologist on and we were talking about the difference between what used to really be an inoculation with the vaccines. Right. And what is now. It's totally different aspect of medicine. And, and with homeopathy, is there actual substance in there or is it more like the electrical signature of the product? Like how does that work? Like are you going to chemistry be able to isolate the substance or.

It depends how diluted the homeopathic medication is. So we use some of the homeopathic medications as mother tinctures. That means they're the actual substance. And then there are other that get diluted and diluted. And that's the number that you actually see on the homeopathic medication on the tubes that says, you know, 6C or 15C or 30C. That relates to how diluted it is. So the more diluted it gets, the less of the actual substance is in the medication.

And Dr. Hikami, your practice is, is very robust, Right, So you do all aspects of, of integrative and functional medicine, right?

Yeah, we do. We start from, I think I started when it was called holistic alternative. Yeah, alternative.

30 years. Like pick a name. Right.

And then it was called integrative medicine.

Yes.

And then so what we do, what I do in the, in the office is functional medicine, hormone replacement therapy, clinical homeopathy, osteopathy and cranial osteopathy, anti aging medicine, IV nutrition. And so we cover everything under one roof actually.

So what was the motivation for you to get into this kind of medicine?

I think this was a love that was there from, from day one, maybe from the time I went to osteopathic school. A great deal of my time was reading other books because I had heard, you know, the, the first week of osteopathic school, medical school, they teach you how to study properly. And one of the techniques was to change the way your brain is functioning and that means not working, not sort of concentrating on medicine, but actually doing something else. And I was very much involved in alternative medicine and so I love that I started reading books from day one of medical school. So sort of this alternative path started from day one of medical school with me and it's sort of grown since then.

And was homeopathy something that was introduced early on? Was it? So, so in our practice it was. It. I always say it wasn't by choice, it was by need. Right. There were different modalities that were working, but in the complex cases that we were seeing, we needed that aspect in. So, so I, I didn't. I was exposed to it young. I needed it though. And, and I. And is that how, how did it come into your practice?

Well, it's, it's interesting. I was the chief resident for Family medicine department at University of Southern California, Louisiana county. And one of my sort of tasks was to bring educational piece to the residency program. And so I was tired of bringing in the old sales reps who will bring food and they will bring, you know, we will talk about the medication which we had done many years. So what I asked my resident was, are you open to bringing your own food from the cafeteria?

And.

And then we're going to talk about other things. And I gave them a lecture on osteopathy. They loved it. And then we started, I started with acupuncture. We had people who did raw and vegan food and name it, we started doing. And homeopathy was one of the other aspects that I brought in as a educational piece to the residency program. And. Right. It was love at first sight.

It.

As soon as I heard it, I knew that this is what's going to help my patients. Because if I wanted to continue on this path of more natural therapies with osteopathy, homeopathy would be a really nice sort of engagement with osteopathy. And that worked really well for me. So I started early on with homeopathy as well. And I've loved it. It's fantastic.

So we're going to call it a natural therapy. Right. Would we consider that it's in the natural therapy space. Although it's interesting because I was just in Vienna and Austria this year and.

It'S my favorite city.

Oh God, I loved it. But my favorite pharmacy almost in the world. And I try to hit them all but, but it was, it's so cool to see their, their pharmacy in, in Austria, in Germany and Switzerland and it incorporated. Homeopathy is right up there with any Other pharmacological option. Right. It's such a standard of care.

Well, even in this country, homeopathic medications, we don't call them remedies because they're medications, actually, because FDA has been regulating them since the 1900s and they are treated as medications. And at the time, and we sort of have probably forgotten this, but we had early 1900s, late 1800s, we had around 22 homeopathic medical schools in this country, and we had around 100 homeopathic hospitals where the staff was homeopathic doctors treating patients. We've had homeopathic sort of psychiatrists. We have had. So in this country, homeopathy was one of the biggest things at the time. And we can see from the monument of Hahnemann in Washington, D.C. because it's one of the only monuments of a physician. And it was put up because of his. All the amazing things that he added to the medical knowledge of the time. So we sort of forget that homeopathy is a medicine because we've heard remedies so much and we think it's. It's a. Yes, we can say it's. It's natural in the sense that it is the base. The basic components of it are natural substances. But in essence, it's considered a medication and a medicine. So that's, that's what we call it, homeopathic medications.

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So what happened with FDA was actually very positive for homeopathy because if you remember, you would go to, you know, Whole Foods and, and all these places and you would see many different Supplements marked as homeopathic medications, although they did not have anything to do with homeopathy. Yes, they were not using homeopathic dilutions. They were just putting homeopathy on the box because homeopathy has become sort of the sort of term to sell things. So it sort of. FDA had an issue with that and what happened through an FTC as well. So what happened, the resolution was, which was again very positive for homeopathy, is these companies cannot put homeopathic medication or cannot put homeopathy on their supplements unless they can show that it was manufactured in a homeopathic pharmacy with homeopathic restraints and principles and everything that goes with it. So it was actually fantastic for homeopathy and we're very happy about it.

Okay, that's great. That's great to know because we found that there were certain things that were difficult to get and suddenly, you know, were. Were had changed and I really didn't understand what was going on.

I think some of the injectables were taken away from the tramials. So that was taken away, but based on certain sort of regulation changes. But we still think that part of it was not positive because those injectables were doing a lot of good for a lot of our patients. I can bring an example. My father had an issue and I took him to see their Sinai. He had a sciatica back pain and nothing really. He was on morphine and everything else. And he called me from the ER and said, can you come get me, please? These people don't know what they're doing. So I go and get him out of emergency room at Cedar Sinai and I bring him home and I run to my office, grab trauma, bring it back, and he was basically writhing in pain on the floor. And, and you know, I inject him and we're talking with the family, with my mom and my brothers, and then half an hour later, my dad is sitting up eating, and we're like, what happened?

Yeah, we used a lot of the injectable tramial for. I had car accident and it was just life changing for me. It was wonderful. So I hated to see that go. But yeah, there are. It's good news is, is it's still available out of the country. So I. Good news if you're going out of the country. But, but so I, I want to ask about you. You brought up Hahnemann, right? And. And I in, in my practices and in my space, I, you know, I really like the German model of homotoxicology, how the body toxifies or how it detoxifies. Right. That there is actually a system of, of the body depositing toxins or trying or attempting to secrete toxins. How does homeopathy play into that model of medicine? Right. It's not like we just get poisoned and you have this outcome. They actually talk through the phases of the body. Innate immune response, the excretion reaction. Right. And then the degenerative response, the deposition, depositing of, of toxins or viruses or, or some sort of provocative agent. Right, right. How, how does homeopathy work on those areas of, of what systems are being impacted?

One of the most important things in homeopathy is elimination. Elimination is, it either happens or it happens slowly. The tissues that eliminate are obviously the digestive system, the genital urinary system, the skin, the lungs, the mucous membranes. So homeopathy, we think whenever anything comes to the body, even water, it has to be used and then the rest of it has to be eliminated somewhere. Calcium, magnesium, anything else that we use, food has to be eliminated as well. And it's the backup that's the problem. The backup causes abnormalities with the skin. We see it as psoriasis, we see it as acne. We see it as other things. It causes abnormalities with the lungs. We see people who are prone to asthma, bronchitis, and everything else or anywhere else in the body. We see people who have genitourinary problems continuously and chronically. And so we know an elimination system has been blocked. So to change things, we use homeopathic medications specifically for those elimination pathways to help our patients to eliminate better, and that releases the body and gets rid of a lot of the toxins.

So for our community, let's talk a minute about constitutions, because it's a term that's used in homeopathy. And, and we, we tell us all, like, what do we mean by a person's constitution? Is it akin to their genetic predisposition? Is it their, you know, disc profile, Their, their, their psychological profile or what, what is a constitution encompass?

Constitution is the physical, physiological and behavioral emotional makeup of a person. So we put, you know, the behavioral, emotional are part of the homeopathic medications and constitutions. So we do have certain constitution like a phosphorus, which is sensitive to light and sensitive to sound and sensitive to spaces. And so we know that as a emotional, behavioral aspect, we know what a phosphorus, a person who is a phosphorus constitution is going to do. But we also know that a person who has phosphorus will have some abnormalities in the physiology which makes them do certain things. And then we also Know that they get some, you know, because of the. The way their body is, they will get some joint issues and neck pains and back pains and knee pains. That becomes part of it. So when we look at somebody, we try with a person, we try to figure out and see if we can match all of these things. And these things, as you said, are partly genetic. So we actually, just like a medical doctor, we ask the family history, because the family history gives us everything that a patient might be and that can direct us to what their constitution can be.

That's great. It's great. And can. Can. Is a person's constitution always their constitution, or does it change dep. Depending upon what they're dealing with from a health perspective?

Exactly. The constitution changes. And one of these changes is a constitution that is an eliminator, again, like a phosphorus with, you know, a constitution that does, again, does not eliminate properly, which becomes another homeopathic medication. So, so once phosphorus goes through their degradation, they can become another homeopathic medication. Or we see some of the homeopathic constitutions that are close to one another, like sulfur, lycopodium, pulsatilla. These can also, at times sort of switch back and forth based on the emotional and physiological effects that they're going through.

So clinically, are there some, like, I think in my mind, like, oh, you know, homeopathy works really well for this, or a patient presenting, Um, I wish I could get some homeopathy in that. Like, is. Is there. Is there certain things that are just ripe for a homeopathic intervention?

Yes. Well, number one, there are certain people that respond better to homeopathic medications. Number two, there's certain homeopathic medications that work really good.

When we talk about different types of bodies work better with homeopathy, give me some examples of bodies that are just super receptive to homeopathy.

Right. So bodies that have not been under a lot of stress, bodies that are new to medication, bodies that actually, like, we have patients that come in and they say, if you give me this much of B12 shot, I won't sleep for two days. We know those people are sensitive to everything. So we know homeopathic medication is going to work really good with them. The other criteria. Well, it's not a criteria, but the other thing that tells us that homeopathic medications are going to work good is if a patient has been on medication, how many medication and what type of medications. We know medications like beta blockers, we know medications like steroids. They basically what they're doing is beta blockers. Are working on the nervous system to sort of calm, bring down the reaction of the body.

Like a sedative, Right? Yeah.

Steroids are doing exactly the same thing. So if we have a patient who is on these medications or they have been on multiple medications, we know we don't expect the homeopathic medication to work right away. We know that we have to give it some time for the homeopathic medications to start working. And that's what we use a lot of times, you know, it's promising the patient and telling the patient how long is it going to take for things to get better is another question with homeopathy. And that sort of comes into play. It's like, well, what is your physiology? What has your physiology been through so far? And how responsive are you to different things?

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I, I always, I always go back to what you said earlier, which is homeopathy evokes the body to do something. Right. So the body has to have the energy and the capacity to do what you're.

Exactly.

Enticing it to do. Exactly. You know, I love nutrition, but I always, whenever we're coupling homeopathy, we always, you know, try to make the most nutrient available protocol. Right. Easy to absorb, easy to bring in, not hard to digest. Because we want to. Everything you do in your body's nutrient dependent. Right. So if we're going to provoke a change, with homeopathy, that change is a nutrient dependent activity.

Right.

And so we, you know, we try to kind of couple that is with, with homeopathics, there's different potentizations are some potencies like I've heard sometimes, you know, some potencies are quick acting and some don't even take effect until it's been in the body for three to four weeks. Is that, is that the case with potentization or how does that work.

It's the case with the substance itself. Like we have a substance that is made from honeybee, which is called APIs mellifica. And so we know in nature well, and the reason that medication works really good and APIs mellifica has research that shows it works the best at around 15C. So we, number one, try to use it at 15C. The potency of or the dilution of the homeopathic medication. The other thing is when it works fast in nature, it's also going to work fast in homeopathy. So let's say a honey, a bee sting, it's right away it's going to be painful, it's going to swell. That allergic reaction, the dopamine, the histamine release is going to happen very fast and the person is going to have a major reaction. Now, the acuteness of that is very important because it also constitute how the homeopathic medication work. APIs malifica also works that quickly. APIs malifica sometimes works in 10 to 15 minutes. So you see it in front of your eyes maybe with, with some of the welts that you were talking about earlier on. It works that fast. And then we have other homeopathic medications that are heavier metals, let's say, or homeopathic dilution of sand or home. Other homeopathic dilutions.

What about like tissue salts or cell salts? Like the. Are those quick or slow or those.

Depend on the physiology of the patient. And, and which are we. Are we more carbonic, more fluoric, more phosphoric and. And where we're going because some of them eliminate faster.

Yeah.

So then we have the homeopathic medications that are hom. Homeopathic dilution of metals like aurum metallicum or muriaticum, which is homeopathic dilution of gold. These are medications that are a little bit heavier. It's going to take them a little bit longer to work. They're still going to work, but we don't give it 10 minutes to work as we did with APIs. So that it's a different. It's a completely different class.

What are some homeopathics that you like? Top three things that you have all the time available in your, in your. I'm going to call it your personal first aid kit. I've got my purse out here. I can tell you what's in my.

Definitely arnica. Yes, the arnica is an amazing research that shows how it works and it helps with angiogenesis and it helps with inflammation and everything else. APIs Malifica is another one that's there all the time. And then one of the homeopathic medications like Gel Simium, I like a lot because it's a homeopathic medication that helps you with a lot of different things, starting from, you know, the anxieties and everything else. Sleep issues, it helps with flu, like symptoms in the body. And it's one of the major medications that we use actually with a chronic fatigue syndrome, because gelsemium is a homeopathic medication for muscle aches and, and sort of this feeling of. We call it obtundit. That means I feel heavy and I feel tired physically and mentally.

Kind of a wet blanket.

Wet blanket.

There you go. Yeah, that's interesting. With, with, with that. The last one you were talking about, the gelcinium, I, I've always thought of it also helping with, when you talk about. With me, CFS is helping modulate that immune response. Right. If a person's immune responses is out.

Of harmony, um, gelsemium actually has a really good research that shows that it works in the allopregnanolone pathways. So we know actually gelsemium is the homeopathic dilution of St. John's Wort. So we know actually how it works in the nervous system, and we know how it sort of stimulates or dampens the stimulation of the nervous system. And that's how you take away some of these pain, activities, anxiety issues, and sort of feeling tired, feeling I can't think, I can't think straight. Which comes with cfs. It's me, cfs, which is, you know, I'm in a brain fog. I know it, but I, I can't recall it. It can't come back to me. So gelium.

So do you, do you have like, website resources? So, so, you know, I. One of the biggest things about building our community is it's so hard for people across the United States and, and globally because we're, we're globally syndicated too, to get access to people. And I know that you obviously have a wealth of knowledge, not just in the homeopathic, but from a functional medicine perspective. Do you post blog posts? Do you post things? Okay, and what, what's the website?

Our website is bodyofharmony.com because the, the, the. The philosophy was to harmonize the body. It was never to push or pull or anti. You know, it was more about how do we harmonize the body. So it was. Works better. Body of Harmony has a blog. I post a lot of different things. There is an MECFS blog Actually, that's really good. It covers everything from the supplements, all the homeopathic medications that we use like Merck, Merxol and, and Gelsemium that we talked about, Arsenicum album and, and Nox Vomica and Pulsatilla. Everything else that we use in homeopathy. Then it goes through low dose naltrexone. There's a video on low dose naltrexone there which is used for, as an anti inflammatory and immune boosting. And it's been fantastic with me CFS patients. Then there is the IV nutritions like NAD and glutathione and everything else that's used to help patients with me cfs, I love that.

And the other piece that I love is kind of the information helps people even go back and talk to their doctors. Right. I, it's, there's a massive, I mean it's, I really think the pandemic has made it worse. There's massive deficiency in having access to adequate care, period. I mean, I don't know, I, I, I haven't had anybody disagree with me on that. And I usually say things that can sometimes be disagreeable. And I know you do a lot of functional medicine testing. Like you said, I'm a massive IV therapy advocate. How just I would love to ask you because I have access those individuals that are struggling right now to talk to their doctors about getting, you know, I used the word alternative many moons ago, getting adequate care because it's really just adequate care at this point. Right. This whole alternative versus integrative versus functional, personalized, however you want to call it. It's medicine and it's the way medicine should be, period. Right. Because we've gotten so far away on the other end of, you know, three minute to seven minute visits with a script pad attached at the middle, beginning and end. Right. How can someone talk to their doctor if they're going in and they're not feeling well? They're dealing with, you know, we have a lot of chronic. Right. We were getting so many long Covid, I don't know what we're gonna do. How do they talk to their doctor about, you know, I want to do broader care. What are some tips that you can give them?

One of the things they can do and, and this is, I'll go back to one of my experiences when I first came across low dose naltrexone or LDN, I think it was 2006. And I literally looked at the research, dropped to the trash can, put it in the trash can. I said, this is, you know, trash. It doesn't work. And then it came across my table one more time and then a patient brought it to me and said, look, it works. And so then I started sort of researching about it and I figured that it actually works. And then I started putting my patients on ldn. So there is a. There is in medicine. There is, I hate to call it narcissism, but I will. It's a narcissism that as medical doctors, we know everything and the only thing that can cure things is a medication. That's not true. And, but unfortunately, doctors don't have time. As you said, they have the seven minutes visit and then they have 10 minutes to sort of type in their notes after you leave the office. So they're working usually till, you know, 7, 8, 9, 10pm Just to keep up with their day. But if you were to take even the stuff on my website and send them the link, send them the link that is on ldn. Send them the link that's on NAD iv. Send them the link of all of these things.

I always tell them, print it out and make copies. So we do this thing, it's called a request for care.

Right.

So we have that online community. We all sit down and help prep people before they go to their doctor's office. I heard you give all of us permission to bring white papers, to bring documents to our physician to help encourage them to participate in our wellness journey. Right. And so, so I always tell them with the request for care, I say make a copy for the doc, for the nurse, the front desk, and have one put in your chart. I mean, just, if we can just. And I agree with you and I, so many of our communities talking about, you know, being just so medically gaslit when they go into the doctor's office and they're told you're fine, you're aging, lose weight, stop eating burgers, you know, whatever it is that they're dismissed about. But I, but that's why I love the resources that you give on your website. Right. Is because it's, it's not just for their own personal knowledge, but it's also backed in science so they can take it and communicate with the health care provider that, that they're destined to see for right now.

Right, exactly. And a lot of what's on my website is, has research behind it so they can actually see what works and what doesn't work. And then make your doctors be a little bit more receptive to these things by talking about mold and yeast and viruses. And environmental toxins. These are the things that are bothering and sort of putting a pressure and stress on our body and our immune system and are revving up our inflammatory system. So we need to know what these are and doctors need to start getting to sort of look at these things as a possible part of the medical, these sort of chronic medical conditions.

So we were talking at the institute about, you know, trying to look at some of the positives that came out of the pandemic, right. One was that everybody started having nomenclature around science, right? So people were talking about cytokine storms and spike proteins and, and really forcing to get to understand and, and know their body. But I think with long Covid, we even have the, you know, we need to re educate the medical schools, period. Right? We, we have to get in and I'm taking it as personal responsibility from a nutrition perspective to get in and make inroads into the medical education because they're the ones that are the front lines seeing these patients, giving the patients permission to be fierce advocates for themselves. Right. And collaborative in the education piece.

I agree. I think our medical schooling is long overdue for an overhaul because we've been doing it for the past 100 years. There's nothing new to it. My nutrition course in class in medical school was 50 minutes and where it was, the doctor talked about all the vitamins and then at the end said, don't use vitamins, the vitamins don't work. And, and this. But you have a test on it the next day, right? What does vitamin A do? And so it was very confusing when you see in pharmacology that these things actually work. And then somebody else, you know, we're reading in pharmacology, medical school, these things work. And then nutrition, these things don't work. Right. So I think our medical school is definitely needs a change for sure. It's been there for a long period of time and it's sort of teaching the old, old things over and over again, but we haven't added anything to it. And, and we need to open our medical schools to everything else that's working. Everything that's experiential, that's working. We have acupuncture that's been there for a long time. And you know, we say acupuncture doesn't work. And then your homeopathy has been there for a very long time. Homeopathy is where some of the, some of the medicine like glonoinum, nitroglycerin and all these other stuff came from. These came from Homeopathic research. Right. So it's. It's time for us to start creating doctors that can actually help. Because, you know, we're changing. The soil is changing, the air is changing, Toxins are changing. Everything has changed since 50 years ago.

And food is not food.

What is not food?

Right, Right.

So we need someone who. We need doctors to know the what's happening now. Not what. Not what was happening 100 years ago.

Exactly.

We're done with that.

Exactly. And it's like we have patients that are in a completely different environment. Air, food, water. I always say, if you plan on eating, breathing, drinking, or sleeping in this today. Right. You are in a completely different environment than you were when the medical books were written. And, and the. Even. Even in a lot of the research that's been cited. Right. It's not even replicable anymore. They were saying somewhere in the 80 percentile of all the research that's been published is not replicable in today's patient.

Well, we can talk about research. No, I'll leave it with this. We have five migraine medications. And then you have week one, a rep comes in and says our migraine medication is the best. Look, comparing to these five medication, it did the best. Next week, the next rep comes and says our medication is the best comparing to these five. And then every single one of them says exactly the same thing. How can we call that a medical research? How can we call that research? Because research means it has to be able to be replicated. Right. How can we call this research when only with five medications? Everyone comes and says ours is the best. And now you have sort of blood pressure medications. That's not five. It's like more than 25. And they're all saying their medication is the best. Well, how does this happen?

Right. And none of us are deficient in migraine medication or blood pressure medication. Right. There is no. There's no deficiency. We weren't born with a deficiency in that medication. Yeah. So. So functional medicine, we're working with what's gotten out of balance. Right. And with homeopathy, we're working with turning back on the systems. Right. And evoking the system. Positive change. Awesome. So I know we're almost out of time. I want to go down some very specific subjects. Will you come back? Of course. That would be wonderful.

Of course.

So do you see homeopathy being important in kind of the health crisis that we're in? Coming back to some of the Hahnemann teaching, coming back to using that in hospital situations, it was shocking to me. To see IV nutritions. Right. Given in Kaiser hospitals during COVID Right. The administration of vitamin D. Right. Maybe it was low quality, but the administration of zinc in the hospitals. I was in a medical microbiology class at George Washington in the public health department, and the gentleman that was teaching this particular class said, you know, again, supplements don't do anything. And I said, well, if you look at the top 10 medical breakthroughs in public health, right. Let's talk about vitamin A. Let's talk about vitamin D. Let's talk about scurvy. Let's talk about night blindness. Are you sure you, you know, you sure? Are you sure? Yeah, I know.

I mean, with the amount. It's so funny. I was working out the other day and. And my friend grabs me and says, look at this doctor on tv. He says, probiotics don't work. You say they work. I said, there's so much research on probiotic. And how can a doctor, you know, you have to do your research before you go on national TV and you say probiotics don't work. And they're not doing that. It's, it's.

I know. And every other species. I have my first degrees in agriculture and soil sciences. Before I did biochem, then master's in nutrition, and now PhD.

And, you know, our soil is changing, so everything is changing with our soil.

But we're the only species that does not supplement from a mandatory perspective. There is not a horse, a dog, a cat. You cannot sell dog food without it having supplementation. And black rhinos, every extinct species. Right. So. But somehow our soil. But somehow we're. We're good. Yeah. Although we have this massive progression of disease. Of course. Dr. Hakimi, thank you so much for talking with us today. Our community is going to have tons of questions about homeopathy. That's the goal, is that we evoke questions and ideas and to have someone like you to be able to lean on for answers. We all appreciate it. I would love to, very, very much.

And for a lot of the doctors or physicians, nurse practitioners and physician assistants who are watching this right now, we do have a course where we teach doctors, nurse practitioners, physician assistants, homeopathy. And we believe that homeopathy should be taught in with a medical knowledge, because that was one of the tenets of Hahnemann, which was you need to know the disease, you need to know your patient, you need to understand the medication and the mechanism, and then be able to make the right decision.

I just want to say how I got to have you on the show. Was at the Institute for Neuroimmune Medicine. And Dr. Klimas always says this. She says, you know, I didn't want to learn all these different modalities of medicine. I was forced to. I had to, because what was available was not getting patients well. So two of our docs are taking your training course. Yeah. And when they came and said, oh, we're taking this training course, I said, I want to. I love homeopathy. I want to have them on the show. So. So it was great. So. So we're incorporating it with our patients in the Institute of your immune medicine. And to start with two of our physicians. And then what we do in our clinical, we have rounds every Friday was one of our favorite things to do. All the docs come together, we all talk about cases, and everybody that's gone and learned and advanced their education brings it back to the whole team. So I'm really. Because I've again, I've been taking homeopathy since I was 2. I'm very excited.

Well, you have my full support. And any of the doctors who want to sign up for our course, or at least know about it, is called cedh, or center for Education and Development of Homeopathy.

Wonderful.

We are in many different. We're in more than 30 countries, and we have more than 400 teachers teaching homeopathy to doctors.

That's wonderful.

Our plan is to grow homeopathy and bring it back to what Hahnemann was talking about and the basic knowledge and the basic concepts so that we. We can decrease the amount of toxins that are being given to patients and actually use natural substances which we know have worked over the past 2, 300 years. We're going to use those and sort of help out our community and your community.

I appreciate it so much. So, you guys, there's lots of hope if you're struggling right now. We're bringing solutions every day, and I'll make sure that all of the contact information is available for the community. We will connect more, and I look forward to having you on. There's. There's a lot of subjects we didn't get to cover, but I think this is really going to help everybody out there.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Sam.