In this interview, host Speaker A discusses recent public displays of affection—specifically a kiss between high‑profile political figures—and seeks relationship expert Sami Wunder’s perspective. Wunder emphasizes that such gestures are acceptable when there is prior familiarity and clear consent between the parties involved. The conversation shifts to a personal anecdote from the host about a confusing cheek‑kiss‑and‑hug greeting with a friend’s spouse, highlighting the lack of shared norms around social greetings. Wunder suggests that, especially in formal settings like the State of the Union, participants should establish greeting protocols in advance to avoid awkward moments. Throughout, the dialogue underscores the importance of consent, context, and clear communication in both public and private affectionate interactions.
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Relationships expert Sami Wunder joins us. Sami, were you surprised when you saw this kiss?
I mean, it does look a little funny, but I think if something was really going on, it would be very unsmart of them to show up and do it this way. So I actually believe it's in innocence and it's just a sign of affection and familiarity. And I think if their spouses don't have an issue with it, like, who are we to be judging them?
But yeah, no, I don't think anyone's seriously suggesting there is an affair because you would really struggle to keep that one quiet. You know, the president's wife and the vice president's husband, that's, that's a whole sort of stage drama. But, um, if somebody that you knew only in a formal setting, Sami, a male, leant over and gave you a smacker on the lips, would this not be something you'd think, wait, I sort of need to give permission for that?
Yes, and I think this is why it's so important to understand that we can see that there is a previous context that is existing there, and there is a sense of familiarity from before, and it seems like this is the way they express warmth and affection to each other. And I think if the 2 parties involved are okay with it and have given consent for it, and this is how they show up, and express affection than it's appropriate for them.
I was— Sami, I was out the other night with 2 friends. I sound like I've had a really interesting week. I mean, yeah, I'm out all the time. I know. So meal with friends, little pizza, 6:30, my wife and, and myself with friend and friend's spouse. And when we all parted, we all did those greetings, Sami, with the friend's spouse, the wife. I kissed her on the left cheek as she faced me, and then a disaster. I then went for a hug to follow the kiss. So I did left cheek and then hug. She went for the right cheek and we almost fell over. Now, someone's got to sort this out because it's so confusing.
Yes, absolutely. And I think ideally for something as professional and formal as the State of the Union, I think there should be a pre-conversation around, you know, how you will be doing this greeting so that even if this was an accident, it could be avoided.
Yeah, right. Brilliant. Well, lovely to see you, Sami. Sami Wunder, relationships and dating expert.
