007 You put Coffee WHERE!? Jeanette Joyce discusses Colon Health

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You know, I've always said if I could get up on a mountain and just like talk to the whole world about colonics, you know what I mean, and educate them, I think it's education is what people need more than anything.

Right.

Because right away, you know, it's a taboo subject because the society that we live in make it a taboo subject. And it's a normal function of the human body.

That's a great thing. We should throw that in there somewhere too.

It's on. I just recorded that.

Oh, it is?

Yeah, I hit the record button so I wouldn't—

Lose it.

Yeah, no, that's— I might even use that as the intro clip.

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Hello, Lyme Voice. This is Sarah Sanchez, and with me is Aaron Sanchez.

Hello, everybody.

And we are really excited to bring you an episode. We have Jeanette Joyce with us. Here in the studio, and she's talking to us about the basics of enemas and colonics. And she's been practicing for over 16 years as a certified colon hydrotherapist, and we're very excited to hear what she has to say.

Jeanette is amazingly knowledgeable about the subject, and I learned a ton from this episode. I hope it, it's not too intimidating of a subject for you guys because we are talking poop today. Or rather enemas and colonics. But before we get into the episode, I would like to read the iTunes review of the week. All right, this one is from Nick Scoots. Very informative and honest podcast. I appreciate your effort to increase awareness on this topic. I feel like I have a better understanding of those who struggle with Lyme disease. Thank you for sharing your emotional experiences and with your listeners. And that's 5 stars from Nick Scoots. Thank you, Nick. I really appreciate that. Please leave your review on iTunes, and I would love to read your review next week. So here we go. Jeanette Joyce, are you ready to help us put the puzzle pieces of Lyme into place?

Yes, I am. I'm very excited about this.

Awesome. Yes, we are so glad to have you come and answer some of these questions that so many of our audience have. Okay, today we are going to be speaking to Jeanette Joyce. Jeanette is our local colonics expert who is always full of interesting facts about using this old technology to help people heal or maintain their health. Jeanette is located right here in Rio Rancho, and for anyone local, she is a great resource. While Jeanette has not fought Lyme, she has recovered from cancer using both traditional and alternative therapies, and we are so thrilled to have her with us today. So, Jeannette, we've been talking about colonics and enemas since our very first episode because it's played a big part in my healing, and I've seen it play a big part in other people's healing. This segment, this first segment here, is about fighting, and I think it's so applicable because most people don't want— or no one sets out to want to do colonics and enemas. It really has to be something that they're willing to fight for. Like when they're— when they realize their health is not gonna just come in the form of a pill, start having to take drastic measures. And this is one of those. Um, I know a lot of our audience is caught completely off guard when they hear about coffee enemas for the first time.

Um, so tell us, just tell us the difference between enemas and colonics. Okay, so first of all, an enema is something that you do in the comfort of your own home, and an enema will typically take less water into the colon. So if you're using an old-fashioned hot water bottle, for example, you're gonna hold in that hot water bottle— I believe it's 2 quarts of water— So that would be your enema, or if you're using an enema bucket, depending on the size of the enema bucket and depending on how much water it holds, that's what you'll be taking into the colon.

Okay.

Now, when you come to my office for a colonic, they call it a high colonic for a reason, because it's a state-of-the-art machine that I use, and basically we use disposable tubing for each and every client to So once it gets used, it gets discarded. Now, I can't tell you the exact amount of water that will go into the colon during one session. I can estimate it anywhere between, I would say, oh, maybe, maybe 12 to 24 cups of water during one session, perhaps, perhaps. And that's just a guess on my part. But we do a session and it takes approximately 50 to 60 minutes during the session. It's a process of filling up the colon with clean tempered water, okay, and, and then releasing that water going into the colon and doing some light massage to the belly and abdomen area to get the fecal matter unstuck from the walls of the colon and to have the gas pass through a little bit easier. So it's a— typically it's fill the colon with water, empty out the waste, fill it up with water, empty out the waste. And we do that anywhere from 8 to 10 times throughout a session, okay, which takes again 50 to 60 minutes. Okay, so those are the basic differences between a colonic and an enema.

When I started doing coffee enemas, I'd actually been reading about it for at least 2 years and just trying to figure out some of the logistics of it, and I just was so fatigued doing anything was, was very difficult. But I saw immediate results. At the time I started doing coffee enemas, I was having major seizures, and I was just in excruciating pain. And what happened for me within the first day was I started to be able to space out these seizures that I was having. Instead of having several in a day, I could only have one or two. So tell us the significance about the coffee. Why, why coffee?

Well, coffee functions as a detox for the liver. It draws toxins from the liver through the caffeine, which stimulates the production of glutathione. Glutathione is a master detoxifier in the body, which causes dilation of bile ducts in the liver. The glutathione is an enzyme that binds with the toxins and flushes them out during an enema or a colonic. So the coffee helps with peristalsis, which is the opening and closing of the colon to release the fecal matter. Coffee helps boost energy levels, and that could be why you feel better after you have a coffee enema or a coffee colonic. It improves mood and mental clarity. It helps eliminate parasites and Candida, helps to relieve pain for people who might be going through maybe chemotherapy which they're doing conventional as well as alternative. If they're doing chemotherapy, they do a coffee enema, and that coffee enema helps to relieve them of any pain that they might have, you know, such as nausea that they might experience through the chemotherapy that they're having. And it helps to ease the discomfort of those symptoms, and it helps prevent also chronic illness for somebody who's doing it on a regular basis. For somebody who's not ill with anything in particular, if they do coffee enemas or coffee colonics. It just helps to prevent illness. It helps to keep the liver clean. And the liver, as we know, is one of the most important organs in our body. It filters everything that we put through our mouths, right?

And so the caffeine actually triggers the liver in some way to dump, correct? It does.

Okay, it triggers the production of glutathione, and glutathione is a detoxifier in the body and and it causes dilation of the bile ducts in the liver so that this way that enzyme binds with the toxins and flushes them out. And the coffee.

So you said earlier that energy levels go up because of the coffee as well. Mm-hmm. Is that caffeine as well that is being absorbed?

Well, the caffeine is being absorbed. In other words, you can't do a coffee colonic or a coffee enema with coffee that's decaffeinated because it defeats the whole purpose. Okay. You need to have that caffeine because the caffeine is what draws out the toxins, and it's what works with the glutathione, the enzyme, to bind it all and pull it out. Just draws it out.

So I guess my next question is, someone that would be sensitive to caffeine, do you— does this— is this the same thing as drinking a cup of coffee?

No, it's not. It's not because the caffeine that goes through a colonic or an enema is going— is hitting the bloodstream, yes, but it's not the same as drinking it. I mean, that's why many doctors will say, including my own, will say stay away from caffeine, right? Because if you're prone to cysts, which I am, especially in my breast area, and if you're prone to cysts and tumors, they don't want you drinking caffeine or, you know, So for that reason, they tell you to stay away from, from coffee, but they, they do recommend coffee enemas on the other hand. So, hmm, you know, there's a difference there.

Yeah, because, you know, I've never heard until this, I've never heard of taking coffee in that manner.

Yes, I know many people haven't. And you know, it's a lack of information, I guess, perhaps, or maybe it's just a lack of people being informed. Yeah, maybe that's it, you know. Yeah, this is, this is a new, a new— it's not new. I mean, colonics has been around since the Egyptians, so it's not, it's not new in any way.

I didn't actually—

it went that far. Oh yeah, it's very old-fashioned. It's been around for many, many, many, many, many years, thousands of years. But you know, when I when modern medicine came into the picture, they did away with a lot of the colonic machines in hospitals. Back in the 1800s, they had colonic machines in hospitals. Yes, they did. And what happened was the American Medical Association came in and said, you know, we need to remove these colonic machines out of this, out of these hospitals, take them all out. And Wow. You know, I don't know. I've read that it, that it could have been because doctors weren't now making enough money and they weren't able to push a pen to write a prescription. You know, in the—

and that doesn't surprise me.

Yeah, yeah. In the advent of prescription medication, you know, that's what doctors were trained to do, and they are trained to do that today as well. They push a pen, they write your prescription, and off you go. And you think you're going to take this magical pill that's going to help you cure whatever's ailing you. Yeah. And what they don't realize is that this one pill has 20, 30, 40— who, God knows how many— side effects that are associated with it. Yeah. So you're fixing one thing, but you're messing up a number of others, right? We don't know how many others. And then you go back to a doctor because now you have a problem that's new, that's, that's arisen, and you're trying to figure out where that problem came from. Well, maybe it came from the first pill that you took to fix the first problem, right?

Yeah, so, and down the rabbit hole you go.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, it's horrible. I mean, and one of the reasons that we were very supportive of this whole idea and visiting you is because of the coffee enemas, and we used Sarah used the coffee enemas to help with her pain, and it actually worked better than the morphine that they were handing us. That in combination with medical marijuana, but still, even, well, I'll let you tell the story of your first colonics visit.

Yeah, my first colonics visit was when I was out at treatment in Arizona at Shea, and I had been doing coffee enemas 3 times a day for several weeks at that point, and it did reduce my seizures, it reduced my pain levels, I still was on a ton of pain meds at the time, but when I went in for my first colonics appointment, I was in a wheelchair. I'd been in a wheelchair for several weeks, and my dad took me and, you know, pushed me in, and then when I was done with the appointment, which was like an hour and a half later, I walked out of the clinic. And in my head, I was, I mean, I was totally astounded because I hadn't walked well in a lot of months. And I told my dad, I'm like, there's no way it's gonna last. Like, I'm sure I'll be back in my wheelchair tomorrow morning. And it didn't. From that point forward, every time I went in, every like 2 to 3 days for 2 months, and every time I went in, I had more mobility. I could stand longer. I had better balance. And that just blew my mind.

That is mind-blowing. That is amazing.

Yeah, I mean, we had been doing everything we knew to do for, at that point, like a solid 7 years and nothing helped as quickly and immediately and safely as a colonics visit. And so right away I'm like, wow, what, what is this? So tell me, Jeannette, how did you decide on colonics as a career? That's— it's not a traditional career path. What brought you to that place where you knew there was something more to this?

Well, I was ill when I first learned of colonics, and I was suffering with parasites and Candida. After spending a lot of time and money trying to find out why I felt so sick— I had feelings of fatigue and depression, anxiety. I mean, I was just miserable. Yeah, I started to investigate alternative healing because I had gone to the conventional doctors and none of them could offer me any any hope, any real hope. They were telling me that, you know, my blood work was coming back normal, my— all my tests were coming back normal, and that there was nothing really wrong with me. And then they started to tell me that, you know, maybe it was something psychological. And I knew that it was not something psychological. It was affecting me psychologically because of how I was feeling, right? But it didn't stem from something psychological, and that I knew. So I thought to myself, the only way I'm going to get better is to be my own advocate. And so I went to— at the time, it was back in the '80s— I went to the library, the local library. And I was— wow, typical, you know, the ones with the card catalog. At that point, we didn't have computers yet, you know. And I did my own investigating, and I did my own research, and I found out that through colonics there might be some hope. So I, I made an appointment and I began my journey to healing through a series of colon cleansings. And I realized that there was definitely something to colonics because I started to feel better. And now I do colonics on myself to maintain a healthy digestive process and to keep myself in a good remission from the cancer that I, that I was diagnosed with 5 years ago.

Okay, yeah, tell us more about that. You had started doing colonics before you ever had a diagnosis. How did that play into your healing?

Well, I was, I've been doing colonics now for about 19 years. Okay. I was really, really good with my clients And I have to say that I was better taking care of other people than I was of myself. Not that I didn't do colonics on myself, I did colonics on myself, but I didn't do colonics on myself as often as I should have. And so therefore, you know, I believe that at some point I had a lot of stress in my life, and between the stress and not keeping clean of a diet as I could have kept and not keeping as good of a clean colon as I could have kept, I ended up with lymphoma. And so when I was diagnosed, I— it just blew me away. I just couldn't even imagine that me, of all people, could be diagnosed with lymphoma. But I have to say that my diagnosis in the long run was an actual blessing because it made me get into gear, if you will. It made me jump on the wagon of colonics where I do them now once a week, religiously, without fail, right? It made me change my whole diet. It made me get away from refined sugars. It made me get away from the carbs that are no good for you, like the white flour products. It made me eliminate, you know, anything that contains additives and preservatives and food colorings and anything like that that is not healthy. Yeah. So my diet has changed completely. I juice. I do green vegetable juices every single day. I do my one colonic once a week, every week, and I'm fit as a fiddle. I have energy. I am clear-minded. I, I feel like a new person. I feel like I was reborn.

That's fantastic.

Wow. I really do, and I thank the Lord. For having, you know, it was like a curse and a blessing at the same time, my diagnosis. So I have to really thank God every day because it's what made me get, get myself into a, on a different path.

Yeah, and that's so hard to do. I mean, just, I mean, you, for our listeners, your description of your protocol is overwhelming, and I'm sure at the starting gate when you started on this, if you would have known it— probably. But now you've been through it and the benefit is tremendous.

Yeah, it's tremendous. And it's a lifestyle change. It's a total lifestyle change. And so now I have my lifestyle change down to a science. Yeah, because I know what I have to do in the morning and I'm caring for an ill parent. So I am the caretaker of my mother who is ill, and she can no longer live independently, and she lives with me. So I'm caring for her as well. So it's not an easy process, but it is something that can be done, right? It is something that can be done, because here I am, you know, um, I'm proof— fully transformed, right? I'm proof that it can be done.

And that's what we're all after. We're all after having a life the way God designed it for us, a life full of abundance and free from disease. That's right. And if these are the, the hoops you have to go through, wow, being sick— being healthy versus sick is—

yeah. And when you're in— when you're put into a position of life and death, right, you choose life right away.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's— I mean, we've had this conversation so many times for myself, I can't imagine ever having come to this point regardless of like severe life and death situations where every day I exercise, every day I juice, every day I do enemas, every day I'm prioritizing nutrition, and, and yet I'm in the same boat you are. Like, there's no life for me outside of this protocol. Like, this protocol is my key to having energy. It's my key to being able to get up and watch my kids play soccer or go to a movie in the late evening. It's so important. But you do— you have to choose life every day. You have to be disciplined in those. Or for me, it's discipline to take my supplements all the time. And no, totally disciplined. And yet I, I feel like I've already been old, like I've already aged in a disease-ridden body, and it is atrocious. So I know for us, like, we're just— we were faster-paced and hard worker. I would have worked. I would have put my energy into working and growing our businesses. And, and now I put that energy into getting myself healed, getting myself up on a higher functioning level than I think I ever could have before.

And it's time-consuming. Oh yeah, it's like a full-time job in itself. It is juice. To do your enemas, to do your colonics, to exercise, to make sure you're getting plenty of water, right, to take supplements.

I mean, it is a full-time job, but it provides the gateway to everything else.

Yes, without your health, without that, you have nothing.

You really don't.

Yeah, absolutely nothing. So yeah, that's, that's so true.

Awesome. So before we continue, I'd like to take this moment to take a break.

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Issues and, um, constipation issues. And when you start talking to people who finally have a diagnosis, um, a lot of them had the same issues as both you and I did where for years they're going and they're saying something's wrong and their blood work is coming back normal and yet they're very deeply suffering with all these chronic issues. Explain how colonics— I wish, ugh, I wish I would have known just about colonics and enemas because I hear it from people in their voices for years. Just, I've been suffering with this for years and I just didn't even understand how simple it was to do an enema. But the other thing is, is the only enemas that are like available on shelves at like Walgreens have Fleet, Fleet, right? They have a ton of chemicals in it. They make you feel awful. It's very painful. What, what are the benefits of, even for someone who has struggled just with IBS or constipation, what what benefits can they gain?

Well, let me address the— I lost it. Let me address what you had mentioned about not knowing about coffee enemas. Coffee is something that's an old-fashioned remedy, and so doctors nowadays don't learn when they go to school very much about the colon, or even, you know, colonics in general. So for them to tell you to go home and do a coffee enema, that's an old-fashioned thing. You might find a doctor who is very, very old in the past who might have suggested that, but nowadays they just— they don't know about that, that sort of thing, right? So coffee enemas have been around for a long, long time. But the benefits for somebody who has constipation, for example, if you're dealing with constipation, you have to— it's like peeling an onion. There's a lot of accumulated fecal debris in the colon for someone who's got constipation. I have clients that come to me that have had constipation all their lives and and they can go anywhere from, from 7 to 20 days without having a bowel movement. Oh my gosh, that to me is like torture. It's— I can't even imagine what that could be like. I mean, that's total toxicity. So it's like peeling an onion. You have to start with baby steps. They— like, if somebody was to come to me today for a colonic and they haven't had a bowel movement in 2 weeks, I'm afraid that it could either go one way or the other. Either I could get them on the machine and they'll have a massive amount of fecal matter and waste come through, or they might not have anything come through because they're so stopped up and what's inside of them is so cement-like that it's not breaking up. And you have to kind of go in there with something that's going to implode that cement. Yeah, if you will. Yeah. So what I tell them to do is before they come to me, they need to get themselves on some magnesium citrate. Okay, that's one. And it's not the liquid that you get at Walmart, it's a capsule that comes usually in 150 milligram capsules or even 200 milligram capsules. And you start by taking 2 in the morning and 2 in the evening. And with that, you can also take a B6 because the B6 helps to get that absorbed into the, into the system better. And I tell them to start with that and to do that for at least 5 days before they come to me for a colonic.

Oh, okay.

Then when they come to me for a colonic, I have an easier time and they have an easier time because they're not in pain trying to get through this and and trying to get all of that waste out of their colons, they're having success with it, you know, at that point, because it has— the magnesium citrate and the B6 has softened it up enough to allow that waste to come through. And when you're talking a tube that's about the size and circumference of a quarter, you have to have it— you have to have that fecal matter broken up so that— and softened so that it can move through that tube. And the process is basically it goes through the tube and down into the sewer. So there's no odor really involved in a, in a colonic, not with my, my equipment anyway. Depending on the equipment that you use, sometimes there is some odor, but not with my equipment. There's no odor. It's a closed system.

Okay.

Yeah.

Explain to our listeners the difference between a closed and an open system?

Is that—

yes, the terms. Okay, what are the—

explain those two. So a closed system is basically where you have a disposable tubing, that disposable instruments that are used, and a plastic speculum is then introduced into the rectum, uh, very gently into the rectum. A controlled amount of tempered water is then allowed into the colon, and then the waste is released from the colon down into the sewer, and, and there's no, there's no odor involved in that particular system because it's all closed. Yeah. Now, if you, if you're using an open system such as the Jimmy John or the Libby or even the Angel of Water, those are 3 open systems. And those are, those are the names of those systems. They call it open because it's basically a table that you can lie on, but you're not flat, you're sitting upright sort of in like a seat. I should say it's more like a chair with an opening where your buttocks would, would sit. Yeah, and it's like a A toilet bowl. It's very similar to a toilet bowl, just that it doesn't look like a toilet bowl. It looks like you're sitting in a reclined position in a chair, sort of, or something like that. And you have a, you have a tube that is inserted into the rectum, but then when you get the cramping and you get the urge to push, you can push on this particular machine. You can push and then the fecal matter just falls into this seat that you're sitting on, or into this toilet, if you will, and it goes around the tubing that is inserted into the rectum. And so that's why there's an odor, because it's open like a toilet bowl might be open. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah.

So, so for me, I've never taken a colonics. I have not had the opportunity. I should say, is in a situation like that, is that closed as far as odor? I mean, that's not— it doesn't sound real pleasant. It would be a little bit embarrassing. Is that a closed room or are you in the room in those systems? Because that's not the system you use.

It's not the system. The open system is not one that I use. Okay. It's one that I recommend. It's one that works just as well. Yeah, but it's not one that I use. And normally you— well, it can work one of, one of two ways. You can either leave the client alone in the room if she— so he or she so desires, or I would prefer to be there in the room with the client. I don't like leaving the client alone. Yeah, I, you know, on that system you can leave the room for a couple of minutes and then come back and which is totally fine. But some people, I think, leave the client totally by themselves to do their own thing. And I guess it depends on the individual whether they like that or not. But I prefer to be in and out with the open system. And yes, it's a private room, and it's, you know, everything is private, right?

Yeah, I've done both. The clinic I started at had the open system, and then once I got here, and you had the closed system, and I would highly recommend the closed system.

Oh, do you like it better? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Good. Why? Why would you say?

It's— I think part of having a chronic illness is you just lose so much of your dignity over and over and over again in all these different areas. And, you know, I'm pretty like no-nonsense, like, okay, just do what needs to be done. But within that, like, there's just more dignity within the system where, you know, I don't know, that's just what I preferred. I just felt like you maintain more of your dignity in a taboo type situation, or—

right, yeah, good, good. And everybody has a preference.

Yeah, explain. So during different sessions, sometimes I leave a session just completely exhausted and very tired. Not as much anymore. And then sometimes I'm literally elated. What is going on that— and I've heard that described with other people, that you can be almost euphoric.

Yes, and that can most certainly happen. You know, at the end of a colonic, it can go either way. You know, you can— many people describe a sense of lightness and an increase in energy. And a sense of I can conquer the world. But then there are others, and usually I've noticed those are the people that are very toxic. The people who walk out of my office saying, oh, I'm so sick, I have a headache, I have, you know, I'm nauseous, I don't feel well at all, I'm extremely tired— those are the people that are the most toxic. And so, you know, usually what I tell them is that these feelings usually ease up after about an hour or two and that they should go home and rest, and when they wake up from a little nap, they'll feel much better.

Yeah, that's an important part, even to understand that. I, I didn't get that right away, but now I understand after an appointment I really need to schedule time to rest, because it's just kind of where I'm at.

Yeah, and a lot of people do. I have a client who suffers tremendously with Candida. She's got Candida very, very bad, and one of the worst cases I've seen. And inadvertently, almost every time she comes in for a colonic, and she's a regular of mine, she leaves exhausted. So she keeps her Thursday 4 colonics and exercise, and then— well, exercise first and then her colonic. And then after her colonic, she goes straight home and takes a nap because she's just totally exhausted.

Now, I thought you had mentioned, does it help in sleeping?

Is that one of the benefits of colonics? It helps for certain people. You know, some people notice that they feel that they sleep a little bit better. Okay. But when you're that tired, you know, it depends on the individual, really. Yeah. I'm not so sure that colonics itself can really cure insomnia. Yeah. I wouldn't say that, you know. But I do know that this particular client of mine, she, like I said, she, she leaves from her colonic and she's always exhausted. And she's so happy to have the day off and just go straight home and take a nap. Which is what she does. She has no problem sleeping to begin with, but you know, for people who do have problems with insomnia, I, I'm— I haven't heard of anybody say that colonics helps them to sleep better, so I can't really address that.

Yeah, well, if it's alleviating pain, the pain inhibits sleep.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, if you're eliminating the pain, sure, yeah, it does help then.

Right. And another thing that I should mention that's really very important to do after a colonic is to make sure that, that a person is taking probiotics. Okay. Probiotics after a colonic is very important to replenish the healthy flora back into the colon. So that's one thing that I just want to throw out there for people who— good tip, you know. Yeah, yeah, that's a very important thing to do.

Now, Jeanette, that's a great point, and so many people with Lyme are on probiotics. Right. You can actually do a probiotic enema, correct?

Yes, you can. Yes, you can. I call them— when you do an implant, I call it an implant when you use the colonic machine. When you come to me for a colonic, I can put probiotics in the water. I can use coffee, which I use with you all the time, right, Sarah? And we can use chlorophyll. We can use wheatgrass. We can use oils, certain oils that might be beneficial.

Um, can you explain some of those things? Like, for instance, um, someone who's doing stuff at home— like, on Mondays I always do, uh, colonics. Like, that's kind of my day to do an extended colonics type thing from home, right? Can I purchase a certain type of probiotic to add into it when I'm at home?

Basically what I do is I take the capsules and open them up. I'll take maybe 2 or 3 capsules and I'll put it in a, uh, maybe 4 cups of water and just open up the capsules and stir it around and put it in your enema bag or your bucket, okay, whatever it is that you use. When I do it for a client, I 4 cups of water with the capsules opened up into the water, stir it around, and I put it in the container that will do the implant into the colon.

Is there a brand you recommend of probiotics, or is it just any probiotic?

Well, there are better ones out there. Okay, there are better ones out there. I particularly like— when I take a probiotic orally, I like the Dr. O'Heara's. And that comes in a gel, so that's like a gel cap. That, to open up and put in the water, is not— it's not as easy to open up a gel cap as it is to open up a capsule. So when I use the capsule, a lot of times I'll use Renew Life, puts out a good one. Okay, I like their products. It happens to be a colon therapist that's the owner of that company. Renew Life. Awesome. So I like that product very much, and they come in capsules.

And we'll list all of these products mentioned on the show notes, so if you look up LimeVoice at the end of this episode, you can look up all the different things we talked about and any other resources. As we move into the lips section, what would you say someone that has heard all the benefits and what we've talked about and is interested and maybe a little timid What would you say to someone like that?

I would say it's perfectly normal to feel this way because after all, it's a very private and personal service that we offer them, and it is a taboo subject with many, many people to begin with. So it's understandable for someone to be nervous at first when they don't know what to expect. Yeah, but I find that if you let them know that you understand how they feel and and you explain the process to them from beginning to end and what they can expect, then they're a little bit easier about it and they feel more trusting. They feel that trust, that sense of trust. And of course they are covered. I mean, I offer them a big towel, they cover themselves, that, you know, their dignity is always respected. And, and I always tell them to let me know if there's anything that's not feeling quite right. So I want them to feel comfortable with me as a therapist. And usually, you know, they experience it for the first time and they realize, oh hey, you know, it's not so bad. Yeah. And the next time they come, they know what to expect, so it kind of tends to be less intimidating and full of fear in the future for them.

Yeah, you know, so that brought me to another thought. So many of our kids have Lyme. At what age can, can a kid do colonics? And because I know you said you buy different equipment for kids, but at what age is that beneficial?

Well, we don't buy different equipment, we buy a smaller speculum is what we buy. The equipment is the same, remains the same, but the speculum is smaller, of course. You know, I have worked on someone as young as 15. But I always say to them and to their parents, it is totally up to you because it is something that's invasive. Let's face it, it's something that's personal. It's, it's something that in today's society is looked at as, you know, right? So I want them to be, before I say yes, to working on a child, I want them to be ready. Yeah, I want them to say, I'm ready to do this, I feel comfortable with this. And of course, I would make them feel comfortable with me. So it's totally up to the parents and the child. I did have someone that was about 18 or 19 years old who was in a situation where she just needed colonics because she wasn't going to the bathroom in weeks. I'm talking weeks, possibly even a month. Oh my gosh. And this person came in and we worked on her for— I think she had about 5 sessions with me, and I think it was the 4th or 5th session that she started to release. Wow. So it took that long just to get her— wow— hydrated enough to soften what was up in there. You're talking about— I mean, you know, and I, I could tell from the get-go that this person had emotional issues. You know, somebody who's that age that walks in with a blanket, you know, has something going on. Yeah. And so I wanted to get to the bottom of what was happening, so I talked to her a little bit about that. And she did reveal to me that there was some deep emotional trauma in her life. Wow.

Was that playing into her bowel movements?

Yes, absolutely. Most definitely, unequivocally, yes. Wow. There's no question.

So you really have to look at the whole client.

You do. You do. Sometimes you have to look at the whole picture. A lot of times people hold on to that and it's emotional. Yeah, you know, it's stuff that they just, for whatever reason, their body doesn't want to let go of. Yeah, I mean, you know, I, I had a family member on my husband's side who had a child who, when he was already potty trained, he wouldn't want to— when he had to do number 2, he didn't want to go to the bathroom. And he would hold it in. That was emotional. And he would stand behind the door, he would do everything, and he would just hold it in, hold it in, hold it in. And they had a hard time with, with, with him. They had a heck of a time with him.

Yeah, well, you bring up a really good point. Just the physical and the emotional are very closely woven together. And you do— I mean, that's What I've loved, the thing that I've loved about alternative treatments is that they do really look at you as a whole person. And what I felt like was happening within the traditional medical community was, oh, if you have this issue, go see this specialist. If you have this issue, go see this specialist. But then the underlying theme was that they really didn't believe you or that they couldn't figure it out, so it must be in your head. And so the opposite of that can be true too, in the sense of there can be physical issues but have that emotional root.

That's right, that's exactly right. And you know, I always say my belief is that most illness does begin in the gut. I would say 90% of all illness begins in the gut. Really? That is my belief. I truly believe that. And I, I always tell people having a colonic is like taking, taking your colon to the gym. Hmm. It's like working out your colon. You're working out your colon. That's why a lot of people lose the peristalsis in their colon, because they're so— they've suffered so long with constipation that the colon just doesn't know how to open and close. Or, or it could also be that they ignore their bodies when it's time to go. When your body says, I I have to go to the bathroom, you got to go to the bathroom. I mean, I can see if you're on a highway and you're in traffic and you can't get off, that's one thing. But if your body says, I have to have a bowel movement now, you know what? If you don't listen to it, it's gonna shut down and it's not gonna give you that message anymore. After giving you the message over and over and over again and you ignoring that message because you don't have time or because you're at work or because for whatever reason, the body shuts down and it stops giving you those messages. Wow. So food goes in, waste needs to come out. Yeah, yeah, has to, because the body does not utilize everything that you put in your mouth. It just doesn't. It takes the nutrients from the foods that you eat, it gets absorbed through the bloodstream, and the waste gets push down into the colon, which then ultimately has to come out. And if it doesn't come out, you're gonna cause a big problem.

So essentially, if you're not relieving yourself, you're reabsorbing—

yeah, toxic toxicity, most definitely. Wow. It's poisons. It's all bacteria. Wow. It's all stuff that the body rejected to begin with. It's all stuff that the body can't use.

So essentially, you could make yourself sick even if you're healthy.

Yeah, you can. You most definitely can.

So for those of who are suffering from health issues in the first place, how much more important is it— is good colon health?

I mean, well, and that's huge. Brings up another really good point. What, what's considered normal bowel movement? How many times per day?

Well, a normal bowel movement is every time you have a meal. If you eat 3 meals a day, you should be moving your bowels 3 times a day. Okay, now, and it depends on the quantity of what you're eating as well. I'm a small eater, so I have small bowel movements, but I do have 3 bowel movements a day. And then again, I, I do colonics on myself once a week. So juice, when that cleans, you know, you— and, and the other thing is, when you have a colonic, you can expect to not go for the next 2 or 3 days. That, that, that will happen because— did you know that when you have a colonic, it's the equivalent to 36 bowel movements? No. Whoa.

Yes, it is.

Are you serious?

I'm serious. I've never heard that statistic.

36 bowel movements.

So how much— you, you have to lose weight then?

Yes, it helps with losing weight because colonics helps with metabolism. Okay, and when it helps to regulate your metabolism, in turn it helps you to lose weight. Yeah, so yeah, that's true. You will lose weight. You can't just lose weight by doing colonics, sure, but you can certainly— it certainly helps.

Well, I was even thinking if I, you know, I would walk out a few pounds lighter.

Yeah, yeah, it helps to regulate your metabolism, which then helps you lose weight. But yeah, you have to incorporate exercise and plenty of water and, you know, the right types of foods and, and that sort of thing.

I think one of the biggest things we've learned through this whole Lyme journey and health journey is there is no one pill, there is no one fix to any of this. We have a whole body and we need to address the whole body. So often I think I had it in my mind that I have to address myself or care for myself by taking a pill, and that doesn't make sense. You can't get exercise from a pill. You can't get, you know, you need to, to, to do it all.

You know, I have to say that, you know, thank God for antibiotics, because if you didn't have antibiotics, yes, you know, naturally if you have a bacterial infection, you need an antibiotic and you have take it. Thank God for emergency rooms and hospitals and operating rooms, because if you have a motorcycle accident and you break your leg and your arm, you need to go and have that fixed, have it set and put it in a cast. Yeah, otherwise it's not gonna heal, right? So there's a place for hospitals, there's a place for doctors, there's a place for acute injuries or acute issues. Yeah, and there's a place for antibiotics. Right, because otherwise we'd have a lot of dead people like we had back in the day before we had antibiotics. So there's a place for that. But what I don't like to see is I don't like to see people put Band-Aids on things, right? I would rather see— if I have an ailment, I'd rather see a doctor say to me, well, let's see if we can't get to the root of this issue. Fix the root of the problem instead of covering it up. For example, I know somebody who has asthma. Every time this person has an asthma attack, she goes to the hospital. What do they do? They pump her up with prednisone, they pump her up with antibiotics, they pump her up with that adrenaline, whatever makes her adrenaline go up, whatever that might be. Epinephrine, I guess it is. And yeah, she walks out of there breathing, which I guess in itself is a good thing, but it's just covering it up. Yeah. If you don't stay on the, on the, on the cortisone pills— yeah, if she doesn't stay on the cortisone pills, it's not— it's going to come right back. Yeah, right back.

That's a great point because colonics is the root of it. I mean, if, if all of your nutrition is absorbed by your colon And we know that with Lyme health, or any health for that matter, what you take in, the information that you take in, the food that you take in, is telling your body what to do. If there's a clog, a barrier between your colon and your body, you can't absorb that. So why— I mean, you'd be wasting your time eating your vegetables and drinking your juice if your colon isn't working properly.

That's what I tell people with supplements. Yeah, if you're gonna spend money out there and buy all these wonderful supplements for your body that are supposed to be benefiting you, yeah, if your colon is not clean, you're throwing your money away.

Oh goodness.

If you have a toxic colon and you're impacted and you're constipated and you haven't gone for 2 weeks, why take them? Yeah, they're not getting absorbed. Yeah, they're just getting thrown onto a pile of toxic waste. Yeah, the sewer system of our bodies. Yeah, the colon. And if it's not kept clean, it will make you sick.

Yeah. Jeanette, thank you so much for being with us today. Your story and your own commitment to health is very inspiring, and just thank you so much for coming and chatting with us today. Can you leave us with an inspiring quote?

Stay on top of your health. Colonics is the first step. Nice. Awesome. And I would recommend that if you have issues with constipation and you're suffering in some way with your health, that you might try colonics and find yourself a colon therapist near you. Make an appointment. Yeah, for anyone in the Albuquerque and Santa Fe area, you can call me.

Yeah, we'll put your phone number on the show notes page and everyone will have access to it on the— at lionvoice.com as well.

Yeah, yeah, thank you, Jeanette. And so someone looking at starting colonics, is there a first place to start that you, that you suggest? They're not in the New Mexico area, they can't visit you, they're in another state, what's the, what's the first step for someone interested in this?

The first step I would recommend would be to either look up on Google I-Act. I-Act, that stands for the International Association of Colon Therapists. Okay. And when they look up I-Act on Google, they will find a list of people who are certified IACT people, certified by the International Association of Colon Therapy. So that's the best resource. I-ACT, IACT for short, and that is short for International Association for Colon Therapy. And wherever they may live, they can pull up the list and find a colon therapist in their area.

Awesome, that's great, that's a great resource, yeah.

We'll put that in the show notes as well. Again, thank you so much for joining us today at Lion Voice. Jeanette, thank you, uh, hopefully we'll see you again. And we gotta go now because the kids are home off the bus. We'll catch you next time.

Thank you for having me.

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