112 Flushing Out The Benefits Of Coffee and Cistus Tea Enemas

I did, I actually did research on Max Gerson, who was a doctor who was in Europe, and he, he practiced during World War I, and they were, he was in a, in a treatment facility or a hospital on the front lines of World War I, and they wanted, you know, they were, so they, they were pulling guys up right off the battlefield and trying to help them, and one of the tools that they had was enemas. So back then they were using enemas to try to help, you know, trauma traumatic case patients. While they were sawing their arms and legs off, they were giving them enemas too. Well, they ran out of water one day and, and all they had was coffee. So they said, well, let's see what happens. And actually, those patients markedly improved over the patients who had had enemas, just regular water enemas before.

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Welcome, welcome, welcome. With me today, author, healer, and advocate Greg Kirk. Greg, thank you so much for being here with us.

Hello.

Hello, hello.

Thanks for having me.

Yes, thank you for being here. Talking about something we never thought we'd be talking about in public.

Exactly, yeah. It sounds like you were too, but I was one of the first people back in 2005 experimenting with it and not telling a soul about what I was doing. Yeah. I would disappear in the bathroom for an hour, multiple flushes. What's going on in there? Never mind. It kept me upright during my darkest days of the Lyme battle. I had to do my own research about detoxing because there were no doctors telling me anything about it. Back then, there weren't even that many websites talking about detoxing. So it's something I found to be equally important, if not more important, than, than treating the actual, you know, going after and killing the bugs, the infection.

So yeah, give us an overview of where you were at with your health and your journey when you stumbled across the information and then started implementing it.

Right, so just— I won't even get into the details of the story. That's, you know, because I've personally heard it hundreds of times, you know. 2 years undiagnosed, nobody knew what was wrong with me. I lived in Connecticut, which is where they freaking discovered Lyme disease, so nobody thought to give me a Lyme test. And I didn't have classic symptoms either, so I didn't ever have a bullseye rash or even the flu-like symptoms or any of that stuff. Mine were digestive related. So, um, I would eat a meal and then really spacey or feel really fatigued and headachy and actually literally have to like pass out after eating a meal. So that even today, if somebody told you that, you wouldn't think, oh, you've got Lyme disease. Now, because of my own experience, I might think that way. But as it turns out, I also had parasites intestinal parasites on top of it. So that is the complicated— how the complicated story began. Anyway, I started seeing traditional doctors and then some very Lyme-literate doctors in my region. They treated me with nothing but antibiotics and pharmaceuticals for 6 years. I didn't know anything about Lyme treatment, so I thought, all right, well, this is like an infection, so 'Let's take antibiotics. That's what you do when you have an infection.' And then when doxycycline didn't work, or it, you know, at the time I didn't understand. Well, here's what happened. I started taking oral doxy, and after a week my doctor had me come in and check me out, and he said, 'How are you feeling?' And I said, 'Really bad.' He said, 'Good, that means you're having a Herxheimer reaction.' I said, 'Okay.' Now what? You know, like, I don't like this. What can we do about it?

You're like, besides the fact that I feel like death now, um, that's what oral doxy did to me. I was like, oh God, I just got run over by a truck.

Yeah, because it turns your gut flora upside down, you know, it kills all the good bacteria aside from the bad bacteria. Um, and he just said tough it out. He was one of the one of the many doctors who said, tough it out. This is what— this is what you have to go through when you're treating Lyme disease. And, you know, I've since realized through my own experiences and through other— others that no, you do not. That is very bad advice. You do not tough this out. Herxheimer reactions are— we're hearing this term now with the coronavirus called the cytokine storm. You know, cytokines are a part of the toxins that are involved in a die-off reaction. So let me back up even further. What's a die-off reaction? That's when you introduce some antibiotic or an antimicrobial that kills and breaks open the body of a pathogen. And the pathogen can be a virus or a bacteria or even a parasite. When you break open their bodies, that releases this hell broth of toxins, poisons in their body, as well as that includes something called cytokines that cause your body to inflame. That's the reason most patients have bad die-off reactions or Herxheimer reactions, as they've come to be known. When you tell somebody to tough it out, you can have this cytokine storm situation that can impact your organs. It can shut down your organs. It can cause your heart to malfunction. That's bad advice. Very bad medical advice. Anyway, for 6 years I stayed on antibiotics until my system began to shut down. I did PICC lines, bicillin injections, multiple oral antibiotics until finally one day I had pneumonia that I couldn't shake. I was already on 4 antibiotics and my general practitioner kept prescribing a 5th. So, and I finally said, you know, logically, how is any germ living in my body right now because I'm on all these antibiotics. And he couldn't believe that I was on that many, but his only advice was to prescribe another one. So that's when I realized, if this is the endgame, you know, that I just keep doing antibiotic after antibiotic, there's got to be something better. My doctors at the time had told me, don't even think about herbals because they don't work, and this is what you've got. So I gave it a good bash. 6 years is a long time to be on antibiotics.

Long time. And, um, in the meantime, Greg, did anyone talk to you about nutrition?

Uh, not from my doctors, didn't. No, no, no. I think a few of them did recommend probiotics, uh, or recommending eating yogurt, which by the way is horrible advice for anybody who knows about gut health. Dairy is actually the food that parasites like. I've talked to people who have done milk enemas to lure parasites down into the lower bowel when they've been treating aggressively for parasites. So that's all I had to hear. I will never drink milk again. But yeah, so, so dairy is really bad. It usually has a lot of the Yogurt usually has a lot of sugar in it. The advice they gave me was take some probiotics, but I still got a C. diff infection, which can be deadly. I was very, very sick. On top of my gut being completely upside down now because of all the antibiotics, I was having— these toxins were settling in my fat cells and the tissues of my body. So there's two kinds of toxins in your body. There's the water-soluble kind and there's the fat-soluble kind. And, you know, obviously the water-soluble kind, if you drink like Dr. Cowden tells his patients to drink, 3 liters or 3 quarts of water per day, not all at once, but that's, you know, literally just sips throughout the day, you'll flush the toxins out. You'll be peeing them out. It's, it's a good thing. The only thing is you have to be careful because you start to flush out minerals, so you got to take supplements. But in the case of fat-soluble toxins, you know, those settle in. And I've talked to patients— this is how I know somebody has fat-soluble toxins. I'll ask them like, how are you doing? You know, how did you start herxing when you went on treatment? And they said, how would I even know? I'm herxing every minute. And that's the flag right there. If you have a low-grade Herx or a low-grade depression or a low-grade feeling of hopelessness that's lasted for months to years, then you've got fat-soluble toxins. So what do you do? Well, I've written a blog about it. There's a few things you can do, but, you know, to lead right into the topic of discussion, I found out that coffee enemas were a phenomenal way to get fat-soluble toxins out of your body. I found this the same way you and I were chatting before. I just started— after my fiasco with antibiotics, I started doing all this research myself on treatments. I stumbled across the Gerson Institute and their cancer treatments. To me, they have a whole juicing protocol and an elimination diet. That was like a job to me. It was too much. Also, I'm not a huge fan of juicing in particular because I actually like the fiber that's in just when you blend up fruits and vegetables. Anyway, but there was something that stuck out. I actually did research on Max Gerson, who was a doctor who was in Europe. He practiced during World War I and they were— he was in a treatment facility or a hospital on the front lines of World War I and they— you know, they were pulling guys right off the battlefield and trying to help them. One of the tools that they had was enemas. Back then, they were using enemas to try to help, you know, traumatic case patients. While they're sawing their arms and legs off, they were giving them enemas too. Well, they ran out of water one day. And, and all they had was coffee. So they said, well, let's see what happens. And actually, those patients markedly improved over the, the patients who had had enemas, just regular water enemas, before. So he started studying what goes on when you do a coffee enema, and it's, it's phenomenal.

It—

you hold the enema in your lower bowel for at least 12 minutes, and after that period of time, it your body starts to— it activates your liver and you start generating glutathione, which is a very beneficial detox and anti-inflammatory substance in your body. People take it as a supplement, you know, a liposomal supplement's the best. Oh yeah, it— after 12 minutes, it opens the bile ducts of your liver. It, it starts cleansing your blood. So over the course of 12 minutes, the entire contents contents of your blood. Your body's blood circulates through your intestinal tract and the capillaries there and actually filters your blood out. And then of course, most Lyme patients I talk to, especially those who have been on antibiotics, are usually pretty constipated. And this will obviously loosen you up and pull out toxins that have— you know, if you're not having at least one bowel movement a day when you're trying Lyme disease, you're, you're toxic. You're holding toxins. So just my first time I ever did a coffee enema, it was like a religious experience. I'm joking, but it literally— like, it was like the Claritin commercial where they peel back the, the screen. Everything was cold because literally that's what happened. Colors changed. Like, that's how intense it was. So the depression that I'd had, my vision changed, Colors got brighter, and I realized, 'cause prior to doing the enema, I just thought, I have brain damage. I'm dying, I'm declining. You know, I have, my short-term memory is shot. I'm depressed, I want to die. I don't want to kill myself, but if I got hit by a car, I'd be okay. All that stuff, so you're, and literally, my vision was just kind of gray every day. I did this coffee enema, and it was a completely different ballgame, and I realized, It was the toxins. The toxins were causing all those problems. So that was a huge moment for me, learning about coffee enemas for one, but learning about the power of toxins, the negative impact they have on your, your system. Because— and it's a seldom discussed thing— I've actually had patients of mine at my Lyme Recovery Clinic come to me from other doctors who say, yeah, you know, detoxing is overrated, or Yeah, you can do that if you want to. No, it's so important.

So huge.

As I say, you know, if you're going— for every punch you throw at the pathogens with an antimicrobial, you've got to be prepared for a punch back with the toxins. So, you know, another analogy I use is, you know, having one foot on the brake or one on the gas pedal. If you're going to press down the accelerator on being aggressive with treatment, you got to be prepared to pump the brakes and even stop. And I frequently, frequently recommend to my patients to stop treatment for a day or two, meaning the antimicrobials, and then do nothing but detox for 2 days until you get back to normal. And that usually clears things out. There's a lot of patients I've talked to who, you know, they treat too hard, or they're so sensitive they can only do single drops of things or, you know, do a fraction of the dose as recommended, and they have massive Herx reactions, and they're so depressed, and they think they're getting worse. That's the other thing— the, the toxins, the cytokines, they may inflame your brain, so they may think you're dying. They make you think you're getting worse, not realizing that almost everything goes back to the toxins, the toxins.

So, so I had been on— I had been on so many medications when I started doing coffee enemas. I mean, for— I'd been on pain and muscle relaxers and all sorts of stuff for years just trying to cope with pain, but then tremors. And for me, when I did my first— I did 2 coffee enemas in a day because Gerson recommends multiple per day when you're starting treatment. And for me, I was having severe tremors that were turning to seizures when I started doing it. And so they had put me on 2 different MS medications to try to control the tremors and the seizures. And of course, like a forever-long headache. I felt like I had a migraine for years. And I could not believe, like within an hour, my tremors were significantly lessened. After doing one coffee enema, and after I had done the second in that day, I had the same experience of, oh my gosh, not only am I able to control my pain in a way that the pain medicine is not doing, I felt lighter and I had physical strength that I didn't have prior to that.

Yeah, yeah, it's— a lot of people are looking for immediate relief from things, and This is immediate, but it ain't pretty, you know. It's, um, you know, I, I don't know that that's— yeah, I did them in private. I didn't tell anybody I was doing them, uh, you know, for the love of God. I never thought I'd— like you said, we'd be talking about— I'd be talking about this out in public. But, um, you know, it's, it's, uh, once you can get over it and, and get it into a routine You know, I still— I'll admit it, I still do them almost every day because they're just so good for you beyond what's going on with Lyme disease. Like, they keep you regular, and, you know, they're nothing to be afraid of. I do talk to— I just talked to a patient the other day who said, somebody told me you can die from coffee enemas. And I don't even know how that would be possible, you know, because it's the way the enema is set up, you can't really jab yourself too badly. I mean, that's the only it happening. But anyway, they're so good for you. Enemas have been— I was gonna write a blog post about the history of enemas because they've been around for thousands of years. Thousands. Yes, they've, you know, there's sculptures of, you know, people with gourds with these apparatus that go up the butt, you know. And they— and some of the partiers in Greece, I think they made alcohol enemas and had a pretty great time doing that, which for— that sounds actually very dangerous. I'd rather have a drink the other way. But, but yeah, that's— so the, the enema, getting, getting it down to a routine is really— once you do that and you get—

you get the full benefits.

Yeah, you get the full benefits. And I know there's patients who are very fatigued, they can barely get around, they're bedbound, and they they need help. But, um, you know, it's, it's something I highly recommend doing.

I just learned in preparing for this interview that coffee enemas were actually in the Merck's Manual of Medical Diagnosis until 1984. So in 1984, it was taken out.

Yeah, you know, that's when things started to get very pharmaceutical-y. You know, the idea that you needed to take a medicine to reduce your inflammation instead of doing some natural means, that's when things— that's when that started getting more popular. So yeah. I'm gonna just add in real quick. I heard the term blowing smoke up your butt.

Yeah.

They used to do that. Yes, yes.

Seriously?

Yeah, they would take smoke in a tube and blow smoke up. Well, the whole thing was that was supposed to be a miracle cure, to blow smoke, you know, as like an enema. And it— and when it didn't work— and blow smoke up your ass is a term that has real meaning to it. Wow. So, but, um But, you know, my whole thing is, you know, looking back to the remedies that have worked, you know, Gerson did this 100 years ago, literally. And my, you know, my favorite thing is to look back at the herbal treatments and so forth that have been around for thousands of years. So I always thought it was after I kind of got over my hypnotism of that I think most of us have been under with the western medical community and so forth that they, they have all the cures, they've got all the answers. But when you look outside of it, and they, you know, Western medicine's only been around for about 150 years. And but if you— and they poo-poo these ideas of, oh, you know, you're, you're doing voodoo if you're using herbals or, you know, homeopathy or, you know, whatever. But those Remedies have been around for thousands of years, and, you know, especially Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine from India, they've been around for thousands and thousands of years. And those remedies are sometimes way more powerful than the pharmaceutical remedies. And all you have to do is watch a medicine commercial on TV to see the, you know, the side effects and the symptoms you can get from taking them, which to me is not worth the gamble of even taking them, you know. So these diabetes medicines, just to get your, your A1c numbers down or whatever they are, you know, the side effects are, are life-threatening. I don't know why you would even consider that, whereas in many cases with the herbals those side effects are other benefits. In the case of like cistus tea, which, you know, tell me when you want to talk about that, but, um, that's one herbal that I've came across just in a few years that I keep hearing about other, you know, benefits, and it's just almost too good to be true.

Well, and that was one of the first intriguing things about the Gerson protocol in general was I felt like I was chasing symptoms with medicine, and that was the only solution ever offered. And when I came across the Gerson protocol and realized that juicing and detoxing don't just help whatever one illness they're dealing with, they help illnesses across the board. And to me, that was so mind-blowing because I was searching. I kept— I mean, they kept testing me for AIDS and cancer, right, over and over again. And under— if you get that diagnosis, then there's one set of treatment or a couple different sets of treatment. So in my mind, I realized I was looking for the one— I needed a diagnosis so I could figure out which pill to take. And then I realized even if I find the diagnosis, even if I find the pill, I'm still suffering. And so it just completely changed the way I looked at the body's ability to heal, nutrition across the board. It was just so intriguing.

I agree. There was something I read early on when I stumbled upon the Gerson information, which was basically that your immune system and your body is almost indestructible if kept in the perfect state. In other words, if you give your body the right food, you sleep the right amount, you do a bit of exercise, and you keep stress out of your life, you will almost never be sick. And I thought that was a really interesting concept. And that— and that the fact that people are sick is because they don't eat well, they're stressed out, they don't sleep enough. You know, the— our food supply is so, so bad. There's so many toxins in our food. We're always reeling from the food that we're— or the— and the beverages that we drink and so forth. And, you know, we live in this society where being in a stressful job is kind of the norm. And, you know, of course stress and emotional and, you know, mindset is a big deal. Again, that we talked about this just earlier, but yeah, let's talk about mindset. Such a huge thing with my healing. I noticed it. So Yeah, I was just doing the typical thing that you do when you're living in America and you're sick. I just started taking medicine. I wasn't doing any detoxing and I was going down fast. And I'm working a stressful job and I had a new baby and that was stressful. We had a new house. We bought and sold a house in the same month, within 2 months of our baby being born. So it was insane amount of stress and pressure. So that's when the Lyme symptoms first came out. So, um, I— nobody gave me— I didn't know any advice about how important it was to keep a positive frame of mind until I just— again, like with the Gerson stuff, I stumbled upon this idea myself where there was one day I was watching— my wife and I were watching a stand-up comedian on TV. And we laughed our butts off the entire hour. And when it was over, I was like, I forgot I was sick. And, you know, I said it out loud, but I was like, wow, how did that happen? Because that was a real thing. I, I was not sick for that hour. And then I noticed it with certain music I would listen to too in my car. I would listen to this music and then get out of my car. I'm like, wow, I was not During that time, I was not sick. I realized that if I could kind of string these things together and just keep listening to that music or keep— We started to become connoisseurs of different comedians, Jim Brewer and Jim Gaffigan and Dane Cook and all of these— Louis C.K., man, we had got all their DVDs and just watched them endlessly. Wow. You can do research about endorphin rush that you get when you're laughing and how that can reduce inflammation, things like that. And so, you know, I knew a little bit about that, but I also knew to guide my thoughts. I started to realize that that's kind of like taking a pill, you know, when you watch the show, you know, you get that cause and effect. But if you don't do anything about your thoughts and just let them kind of steer to their natural course of being negative, which mine was because I would wake up in the morning and as soon as I moved, I'm in pain. Oh, not this again. Oh, I'm sick. I'm going to have another day where I'm sick. What am I going to do? Then it goes downhill from there. I started to— I did some reading, Dr. Wayne Dyer. I saw a show of his on Channel 12 one time. Called The Power of Intention, the basic idea of the power of attraction. Your thoughts are powerful. They attract things. They can attract negative things if you're negative and attract positive things if you're positive. Made perfect sense to me. I started just roughly practicing. I didn't do anything major. I didn't become a devotee or anything like that, but I just started experimenting on my own. Like, what if I just Don't watch a horror show. Don't watch the news. That's what some of the— eventually, you know, when I got into energy work and so forth, they said the worst thing you could do— you can traumatize yourself by watching a horror movie because your body, you know, your autonomic system doesn't understand that it's not watching something real, and you will go through a state of shock and become mildly catatonic by watching shows like Saw and these really horrible ones. So yeah, I just realized enough, you know, stay away from that stuff, keep a positive frame of mind, hang out with my daughter. You know, she made me laugh quite a bit back then, and keep my thoughts on that level. And that started to help quite a bit. And, and that's how I started to get out of the hole, honestly, because there's a lot of patients who are like, how do you get over this hump? You know, it's a combination of feeling better physically. How do you get your mind ahead of the game where your mind's— and I got my mind way ahead of where my body was early on. And then when I started doing the coffee enemas, my body started to catch up.

So, hey, Greg, let me throw a couple audience participation questions at you because you can't see them. But, um, and I have this— I get this question all the time. Is there any damage to the intestinal system that can occur? I heard that you can become dependent on them to even have a bowel movement. Is this true? For nearly 2 decades, Invita Medical Center has been leading the way with the latest in personalized treatment options designed for patients dealing with Lyme disease complex. At Invita Medical Center, they offer a team-style approach and the latest technology regarding treatment and testing at an unmatched radical love and care environment for their patients. Call to speak to one of the patient care coordinators today to learn why hundreds of patients choose Invita Medical Center each year. You can find them online at invita.com. System that can occur. I heard that you can become dependent on them to even have a bowel movement. Is this true?

Well, I don't know. Yeah, it's not dependent like, like an addiction, but— and yes, there may be that feeling of you need to do the enema to have a regular bowel movement for a while. I did have that feeling, but it wasn't a negative thing. I was so backed up. I had so many biofilms, which is another thing that can happen and cause constipation, that I did depend on enemas for a couple of years to have regular bowel movements until I was finally flushed out. So, you know, it's, it's all in your perspective, right? Do you think, "Oh, that you should be having a regular bowel movement just on your own?" Well, after you've been through Lyme disease and you've been through intestinal damage caused by antibiotics and not eating right and so forth, it's not a fair question. It's basically you have to— you need something to flush it out. So, yeah. So let's talk about the potential negatives of colonics. Coffee enemas or any kind of enemas for that matter that I do talk to people about, because some people will say something like that, like, oh, you know, is it a bad thing? Because some people think it's a bad thing to do more than one enema a day. And as you mentioned, like, I read in the Gerson therapy, some people doing as many as 5 a day. These are cancer patients on chemo, so they have to. But, you know, one a day is probably plenty for most patients.

And I did 2 a day. I did the Gerson protocol and I juiced once a day but then did 2 different coffee enemas a day, and I did that for several months and then went down to 1 a day.

Right, exactly, and that's fine. But the other thing is, and this is the only mildly harmful thing caused by enemas, is it's the same effect that if you drink as much water as Dr. Cowden recommends, 3, 3 quarts a day or 3 liters. When you're putting that much water in your body, you're going to leach some things out, some minerals and some vitamins, and you just take a supplement. That's it. You know, that's, that's how you fix that problem. So the benefits of enemas far outweigh any kind of negatives. And, you know, I would just say that if you're worried about doing too many, then just, you know, back off and don't do so many. But there is less danger than you would think doing one enema a day. I mean, I've been doing one enema, give or take, a day for a decade or more. So, and I'm good. I'm healthier than I've ever been.

Well, did you know that there, there's a show called My Strange Addiction? And it's a— there's a whole episode on coffee enemas. And I watched it because I kept hearing about it so often. People are like, oh, you can become addicted. And I'm like, how would you become addicted to a coffee enema? Like, it's not a pleasant experience, but it's— and for me, it was so healing that it became— it was just part of my habit stacking daily routines. I did— I've never felt addicted to them, but it does help me continue to feel better. I— if I'm ever suffering from air hunger, I know that's a symptom flare for me that I need to do a detox. And so yeah, but My Strange Addiction, the couple who was doing it weren't sick or anything, they were just addicted to the feelings. But I'm like, that's like such a weird—

that's, that's weird. Yeah, that's the show where people eat dryer sheets and stuff, so this Yeah, those people ain't right. Do you have any other questions?

Yes, here, I'll read you the next one. Very curious to know how biologics used for arthritis are good or bad to use when diagnosed also with Lyme.

Ah, biologics, I don't know that. Is that—

yeah, I don't know, I don't know specifically what that means.

Um, Hmm, can you read it again?

So I think it's a steroid. Oh, steroid use.

Oh, okay. Well, steroids, as most Lyme patients know, are really bad to take with when you've got Lyme disease. It can cause Herx reactions that last for weeks. They basically— they impair them, the immune system. So you've already got an impaired immune system with Lyme. Anyway. And so they can just bring the curtain down on your immune system. I've had so many patients who have taken things like prednisone and other steroids and just had a horrible time, and sometimes never bouncing completely back from that. So I would be very careful if you're entertaining the idea of taking any kind of steroid and you're treating for Lyme. I don't recommend it.

Yeah, so okay, we talked about— we've talked about a little bit about colonics, and I want to get into the cystis tea specifically. But one of my— to me, I did not— I had started the Gerson therapy and I had been in bed for 2 years. I was in excruciating pain and it instantly began lowering my pain levels and helping my tremors subside. But I had an even bigger, more profound experience after I had started treatment. I went out to Invita Medical in Scottsdale and they recommended 2 coffee enemas a day plus colonics. And so I had never done colonics before. And at this point I was in a wheelchair. I was totally unable to care for myself. And my dad was taking care of me at that time period when I was out in Arizona. And I went in for— so I had already been doing coffee enemas twice a day for several months and I was in a wheelchair. I was not walking and I could only walk maybe a few steps a day at that point, like enough to get in and out of the bathroom was kind of the extent of it. And I went into a colonics appointment and it was like a 45-minute appointment and then they also did a coffee enema at the end of it. And I walked. So the whole appointment took 2 hours and I walked out of the room.

That's amazing.

I walked out of the room and my dad was following me behind with the wheelchair, like in case I had to fall or needed to sit down. And, you know, with Lyme, you ebb and flow so much depending on what's going on with your body. You hit those walls of fatigue. And so I was like, this is so strange, but I'm sure I'll be back in my chair tomorrow. Like, that was my fleeting thought was, don't get your hopes up. And I never went back in the chair.

Wow.

I walked— he right behind me all the way to the car, got in, walked into the apartment. Like, from that day forward, I was just like, there's something so profound about this.

Yeah. So, you know, just so some people don't understand the difference between an enema and a colonic, a colonic is like a jet of water that is, you know, administered by a trained professional. So don't go getting a garden hose or something, but it is shot up the, the lower bowel and is, uh, you know, it's like the difference between, um, I guess, you know, pouring water into a bowl or shooting it with a, you know, a jet sprayer, you know.

Well, and I think it's comparable to like 30— I should have looked that up— I think it's comparable to like 30 bowel movements.

Okay, it's a lot. It's a constant jet of water, so it's just— it's a lot more thorough. It's a lot more cleansing. Yeah, it's— that's amazing. What— that's, that's one of the more dramatic stories I've ever heard from, you know, positive results from a colonic. Wow.

Yeah, so I think I, I like colonics and enemas, you know, coffee enemas, because of the power of it. But as a combination, they work great. Hey, Greg, here's a, here's a question. Would the cystis enema at night cause insomnia?

No, it won't, because there's no caffeine in cystis tea.

Okay, so explain the difference, because you want the caffeine, but so many people do have allergies to—

Yeah, so yeah, let's talk about cystis tea just real quick by itself. Cystis tea, I first heard about it through a Lyme patient years ago. She had heard about it through Dr. Klinghardt. Out on the West Coast. It's amazing. I've written a blog about it. It's— I called it, you know, how they have superfoods. Well, this is like a super tea. It's got multiple benefits. I have an online store that I've not been able to keep it in stock because it kills viruses and bacteria in the upper respiratory system too. So it's a perfect, you know, shield for COVID-19 or any other flu or any thing like that. The main reason Lyme patients like it is because it gets after mold and Candida, the yeast in your intestinal tract. So you just drink it. It has no caffeine, so it will not keep you up if you drink the tea or you do an enema. So that's one of the good things. It's also an anti-inflammatory. It's a detox. It kills an array— it kills staph, bacteria, kills it. And it also is really good at getting rid of urinary tract infections, especially in women. So it's just like one thing after another. Amazing, amazing, amazing. So I had already— and in fact, this is just an anecdotal story, but it'll tell you the power of coffee— cystis tea, I'm sorry. When many patients first come to me, we sit down, we have a consult, and And, you know, I try to get them on a treatment that's helpful, like a broad-spectrum one. I, you know, the majority of the time I try to get them on the Cowden protocol because it has a range of antimicrobials that get after all of the co-infections, plus antivirals and a little bit of parasites. But, you know, these patients usually come to me, they're like, I'm sensitive, I can't handle this. So I I get them on lion's mane, which, which is a mushroom extract that helps with neuropathy and nerve damage, which I find a lot of people have, and cystis tea. So I just say for the first week or two, just drink cystis tea and take this lion's mane and see what happens. I've had so many patients come back to me and say more than 50% of my Lyme symptoms have gone away Just by drinking this freaking tea. Yeah. So why is that? Well, look at what's happening. There's a lot of stuff, a lot of trouble in the gut that it's taken care of. And just know that you can— your first cup of cistus tea, you may actually have a Herx reaction from it, especially those who are sensitive, because it's an antimicrobial. It's a mild one, but it's, it's for real, you know. So it's, it can— it's a detox agent and an antimicrobial at the same time. So anyway, I— so I had already been doing— using Cystic Sea as a major help in helping with Lyme treatment. And I was running across these patients where I was saying, you got to try coffee enema, because that's the other problem most patients have. Their guts are upside down, they're constipated, and they're not detoxing properly. So I try to get them on the coffee enema. Well, people— some patients are either allergic to coffee, or they're allergic to caffeine, or worse, they have such high anxiety that any kind of substance like caffeine will trigger them, even make them go into a panic attack. So I thought, you know, I'm coming out, I'm the inventor of the cistus tea enema. I hope I don't get famous from that, but I thought, why not So this is— I forgot to mention one huge thing about Cystis tea. It's a biofilm buster. So that mucousy shield that the bacteria generates in the presence of antibiotics, that in my case was so profound it turned my blood to jelly. I had biofilms in my blood that, you know, during a regular blood draw in my doctor's office, like half a vial of blood came out and that was it. And they— everybody was staring at me like, what's the matter with you? That's how thick biofilms can become. They can get in your blood, they can get in your intestinal tract. So if you've got something that can kill— and well, it doesn't kill, it dissolves the biofilms on contact— well, you know, that would be a great thing, right? So I started— I, I tried them myself. So I, I created what's called a 50/50, half, half coffee, half cistus tea, just to make sure, you know, I do all these experiments on myself. I'm the number one, right, before I recommend it to anybody. So I tried that, and, um, yeah, I started— and this was back when I was fighting, uh, parasites. I started noticing some things in the toilet that didn't belong in my body, let me just put it that way. So, um, and you may notice— and I don't, you know, I don't know how graphic we want to get here, but you may notice some stringy things coming out, um, that don't look like bowel movement. They look kind of gelatinous and stringy and so forth, um, and even worm-like. Uh, that's— the cistus tea will loosen that up. So I thought, all right, for these patients who can't do any coffee, just do a straight-up cistus tea enema. So you brew 4 cups of cistus tea, you, um, put it in a, in a glass container. Don't put it in first because you'll break the glass container like I've done. Fill the glass container with about half or a third of the way of cool water, then fill it, the cistus tea, with the warm, just brewed cistus tea. Then now you've got a container, half-gallon container, that's your enema contents. Fill it, the enema container, the bucket, the bag, whatever you got, and go to town. For the coffee enema to be more effective, excuse me, you need to hold it in for at least 12 minutes. With this, not as long. You can do 10 minutes or less, but you, you should lay down and let it, you know, really go through your intestinal tract to almost your, you know, your mid to upper intestines, and, and then let it go. So here's one other thing I want to let patients know about that, um, that is the other potentially negative thing of any kind of enema. And I'm wondering if this ever happened to you, Sarah. I've had patients talk to me, especially with coffee enemas, because they can be more intense with the caffeine, that they do an enema and they're like, oh my God, within 15 minutes I had the worst headache ever and I felt awful, I felt sick to my stomach. That's because they didn't get all the enema out. This happens.

Really?

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Oh, I've never heard that.

One in every 50 enemas, it happens to me still. So that's because, you know, your intestinal tract is this circuitous windy road, and if there's some food there that might block it or just whatever, it's— it doesn't drain all the way. So, um, yeah, so I've had it happen to me where, uh I did an enema and like an idiot, I went on a 2-hour car ride. Then my bowel was like, "Hello, now we're ready to let the rest of it out." Don't do that because there's toxins in that and that can— it can kind of generate a mild Herx. It's what happens when you do a binder that doesn't bind to all the toxins. It can stir up the toxins. And then now you've got a little bit of a toxic storm that can cause trouble. So what I usually tell patients, especially beginners, is get your enema kit ready, you know, get your, your contents in your glass jug or whatever you got, and then just have a half gallon of water, you know, like warmish water ready. Because if within half an hour you're feeling worse from the enema, it's because you didn't get it all out and you need to do a water enema right away. Don't, don't wait around.

That's Fascinating. I've never heard that. So would you— one of the questions on here is, would you recommend doing it? Is there benefit in doing it longer than 15 minutes?

Yeah, no, there— I think there's a point where it is too long. Yeah, I would not do it longer than 15 minutes for— that's one of the reasons, because the enema starts to travel way up into your upper digestive tract to where it doesn't want to come back down. And then, you know, now you've got toxins that have moved from the lower bowel up to the higher bowel, and that's not a good thing. So yeah, there is such a thing as doing a coffee enema for too long. So I wouldn't do it more than 15 minutes. I mean, 20 tops. But if you're doing a 20-minute coffee enema, you're, you're a warrior. Say, I'm up to 3 minutes now, you know, I can't, I can't hold it, you know. You know, women who are small, you know, they're, they're like 90 pounds and they can't hold it all in. So, you know, you do what you can, but yet holding it in for too long is actually something that's not— you don't get benefits.

Okay, and then if you have those adverse reactions, then follow it up with a water enema.

Yeah, do it right away. Exactly. Yeah.

Okay, okay. Huh, interesting. So have— how long you guys are doing this with your— do you guys do this at your clinic, or you just advise people and they do it at their house?

Yeah, no, yeah, this is not an in-person kind of thing. Uh, no, I mean, you know, this is all a part of— for obvious reasons. When I help patients at the clinic, I didn't like the doctor-patient relationship that I had with all my doctors. They came off as these, you know, know-it-alls. They didn't like it when I came in with information I had printed off the internet. I mean, one day, you know, I walked in with these papers. I'm like, you know, sitting down with my doctor. He said, "What's that? Something you printed off the internet? You're one of those guys?" I'm like, What? I'm one of these guys who's interested in my health. I want to talk to you about my case. You know, why aren't you interested? You— I don't know, just, I, I got a problem with people in general who think they know everything. You know, come on, don't you want to learn? Everybody has something to teach you. So, you know, I had a problem with that. So it— at my clinic, it's more like, you know, I listen to you. I want to hear— you know your body more than anyone else in the world. So you're the authority. Let's hear what you have to say about your own body, for God's sake. And I've learned, you know, case in point, this woman came in and told me about cystis tea. It, you know, I drink it every day now. Um, so anyway, uh, the whole point of what I was trying to make is I try to help empower people. I try to help them so that there's planned obsolescence in our relationship, where there's some day where we, we don't have to talk unless You want to talk socially, you know, where you're done, you're done with treatment and you're good and you set sail and you're, you know, riding off into the sunset. I don't want to keep— I've seen even well-respected Lyme doctors keep patients on this kind of like, all right, you need me, you know, you got to pay me all this money for all this medicine or for my special concoction that I've created that, you know, only I have. Yeah, I don't— I didn't like that. I sit down and try to be a guide, a true health coach, you know, where I try to coach people through. I'm going to teach you what I know. I'm going to learn from you. We're going to guide you into wellness, and that's all there is to it. I'm not, you know, the big guru here. I've been through a lot. I mean, I've been through a lot of experiences. I know a lot. But I don't know everything, and I'm— let's put our heads together to get you better. And it's me working alongside you as opposed to I'm, you know, I'm the guy with the degree and knows everything, who really actually doesn't know much at all about Lyme disease.

So anyway, so let's see, I have a couple more questions here. Oh, Karen says, thank you, I did a 17-minute— well done, 17 minutes this morning, and I'm feeling nauseous, might still have some inside me. My— one of my biggest things was not nausea and air hunger, and I would have it for about an hour when I first started doing them. And I wonder if that was part of it. Maybe I just hadn't eliminated to the full extent.

Yeah, 17 minutes is a long time to do an enema, so I would If you did that recently, I would do a water enema right away. That might bring a question up. When should you— you should do the water enema as soon as you can when you know you're having a negative effect of the toxins still hanging around from the enema. You can still get benefits, I would say, even an hour or two later. If you don't realize, "Oh, that's what that is." You know, you should not feel worse from any kind of enema, is my point. And if you do, because you didn't get all the toxins out.

And I actually do, after so many years of doing it, I do usually a couple buckets of water, warm water first, and then I do the coffee enema after about a half hour of flushing. And so that way I only do it about 3 times a week, is kind of my routine.

I think so. If you're doing— yeah, so you're doing almost like a slow colonic then, if you're doing a slow colonic.

Sonic followed by a coffee enema.

Yeah, yeah, okay. So that's, that's probably why you didn't have— or you, you don't regularly get that problem of the stuck, because yeah, I still get it every now and then. And I notice it, you know, it's like things like if you eat a big meal, you know, the night before, and then, well, now there's more stuff to block it.

So yeah, Greg, you guys If people want to get in touch with you for a coaching session, a healing session, you, you guys use Cowden Protocol, correct?

Well, that's one of them. Yeah, you know, I've kind of gotten this label of like, well, that's all you're gonna do, show me the Cowden Protocol. No, right? But I have patients say, say, I know you're gonna tell me Cowden Protocol. Like, not necessarily, but, but it's a good basis. It's a good basic treatment. And it's a good thing to get— I use it as a diagnostic tool. So there's patients who come in and like, I've done all these tests and I don't know if I have Lyme. Do 1 month of the Cowden protocol. If you don't react to it, then you— there's a good chance you don't have Lyme. And I've done— my best story about that is there was twins who came into my clinic, a boy and a girl. One thought they had Lyme and one didn't. And, and, you know, I just told the parents, I'll tell you which one has and which one doesn't. In a month. And we gave them the Cowden protocol, and sure enough, you know, one reacted and one didn't. So that— it's a good diagnostic tool, but I use other tools as well. And in fact, you know, you know, like Cystis T for one, but I use a number of other things, especially I've developed a parasite-fighting protocol as well. So I've got some parasite tea, antiparasitos, which is a South American tea, and phenomenal. And, and that's another thing I've created, another enema with this, you know, the— it's the cystic tea antiparasitos enema, which is— that's for real, you know, that's, that's something that will get the— see, so think about this. So somebody told me about this a long time ago who was fighting, who had the most profound case of parasites I've ever heard of. I said something about taking something orally to get rid of parasites. And she said, oh well, the parasites are smart, they'll just move down in the lower bowel. If something is raining on them from up above, they'll just move down. They're so smart. And I said, what if you drank something and then within the hour of that have something come up from below, depth, a depth charge? No, an enema with treatment in it. What would happen then? I found out and I wrote something called the anti-parasitic experiment that I did. I used a product called MMS, chlorine dioxide, but now I'm using cistus tea and this anti-parasitos tea. You drink it. Before doing the enema, you drink— this is a pint. You drink a tea made with cistus tea and antiparasitos. You drink it and then you have your enema ready. And then so it's, you know, coming down from above. Yeah, the enema. And you'll get results, I guarantee it.

I'll throw those links up, you guys listening. I'll put the links up to Greg's site, and I put up one of them, but I have not tried that, but I'm totally going to.

Yeah, so just real quick about parasites and so forth. So that was the thing that I needed to do on my own. I found out— so as it turns out, my whole issue from the beginning was a parasite issue mixed in with Lyme. And it's a very common issue. Sometimes there are parasite eggs in the gastric juices of the tick. So when they bite you, they give you not just Lyme, but they actually give you parasites. There is a thing that happens where the bodies of the parasites get invaded by the spirochetes and the, and the, the co-infections. So they can actually hide in the bodies of the parasites. So frequently I talk to patients that are like, I'm kind of stuck, I'm not getting anywhere. Then we do a parasite treatment and then they start feeling, you know, they get back, they get to where they want to be. So That's just one of the methods. So you asked about what do we do besides the Cowden protocol. We do a number of things. I also use the Zang treatment, Chinese medicine, but, but mainly it's, it's really getting aggressive about parasites.

This is off topic, but have you heard of— does this parasitic treatment protocol, is it kinder to you in the sense of like— I know a lot of people who are suicidal on parasite treatment protocols.

Oh, really? Yeah. On the pharmaceutical kind or just any kind?

Um, both, but, but as you say that, actually it's probably more pharmaceutical.

Yeah. Uh, yeah, so yeah, I've got— yeah, obviously I'm not a doctor, so I can't prescribe, uh, things, but, um, ivermectin and fenbenzodol are two really good positive pharmaceutical. So I'm not, you know, as I said in the beginning of the interview, I had a tough time on pharmaceuticals. The only asterisk in my story is ivermectin and fenbendazole are two phenomenal pharmaceuticals that are antiparasitic that are very, very good. They're very well tolerated. They usually don't have too many negatives or hardly any negative side effects in patients. I use herbals. And you can, if you want to, go to a livestock or feed store and buy ivermectin. And I know a lot of people, and I have tried it myself, I've used the topical and I've used the, the horse ivermectin, and it won't kill you. And it sounds crazy and everything, but you know, it's one of those things where I tried it a little bit to see if, you know, it would harm me, and it didn't. And there's a lot of people using that. But I've got herbals that are— and there's something made by Microbe Formulas called Mimosa Pudica. It's a plant that is phenomenal as an antiparasitic, but it's also very good for your intestinal tract, and it heals the nerves, it heals ulcers caused by, you know, different bacteria. It's— so we use that and have a lot of respect for the Microbe Formulas people and their their products for fighting parasites.

Hmm, and what was the name of that?

Mimosa, like the drink or like the tree, pudica, P-U-D-I-C-A.

You have an article about it on your blog. Yes, you do.

Yes, I do. Okay, because that's another thing that's like almost too good to be true. It's, it's unbelievable the benefits that it has, and it's a weird thing. It's so— it's a seed, so there's a plant Oddly enough, a friend of mine used to grow them in high school. They're these little plants that look— they're ferns, and when you touch them, the leaves of the ferns actually curl up. It's one of those plants that actually moves. It's a really cool plant by itself, but the seeds, they crush them up and put them in microformulas, people do, put them in a pill. There's a video that they have out where they show they open up a pill and they put it in water. And this— it turns into this stringy kind of gel that if, you know, you swallow it, obviously you swallow the pills, and then in your body, your intestinal tract, it opens up and it just starts pulling things out. It's sticky. It doesn't— the good thing I like about it is it doesn't break open the bodies of like the parasites, which is when— how you can have a bad Herx reaction. It just pulls everything out. It can pull stomach acids, bacteria, It's like flypaper. It's like swallowing watered-up flypaper. It goes through your intestinal tract, pulls everything out. It's not affected by your gastric acids. Man, I'll tell you, when you take a number of those pills and you have a bowel movement, unfortunately, I've had people send me pictures of what—

I was going to say. I have, you know, advocacy is a weird thing and Lyme is weird, but I get text messages from coaching clients and stuff of things that they've found in their toilets. And I'm just like, this is such a weird world that we live in. Like, and I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

Never seen that one before. I've been stupid enough to be in the middle of dinner like, oh, here's somebody texting me like, oh my God. Don't, don't do that to me. But yeah, so Mimosa pudica is for real. It's, it's, it's for most patients who are aggressively fighting parasites. That's, that's, you know, that's one of the pillars of treatment is Mimosa pudica.

And okay, a question that came in. So you would recommend doing the— oops, I lost an earbud. You would recommend doing half coffee, half cistus tea, but if you're gonna do the parasite one, would you do that separately as a separate enema, or would you combine all three, or—

well, okay, so yeah, let me kind of clarify. So if you can't do coffee at all, then just obviously do the cistus by itself. If you can do coffee and you want to, you know, help kill biofilms and kind of loosen up potential parasites in your body, you can do that 50/50, half coffee, half cistus. If you just want to completely go for parasites, then you do a cistus tea and this anti-parasitos tea. Go to Long Recovery Clinic and click the shop button. There's this tea that I get from Peru that is phenomenal. It uses all these herbs from the rainforest. It's is a very mild antiparasitic, but its main action is it stops the parasites from laying eggs because that's one of the biggest problems. There's the rope worm in particular. Somebody told me lays 20,000 eggs when it dies. So how obnoxious is that? Yeah, you're killing it and then it's just, you know, spraying more eggs. So that's awful. So You need to have a tea like this anti-parasitos to stop it from doing that, because otherwise you're just— you're going through this vicious cycle of killing, and then now there's new offspring, and you know, you don't want that. So yeah, doing the cystis— half cystis, half anti-parasitos— is a— is another invention of mine.

So, well, that's— I don't know, I love— I love all these inventions and what people come up with as their trying to save their own lives.

I mean, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, well, awesome. Well, I'll keep putting up the links here to your site, to your clinic. Um, what is— give me a ballpark of what it costs your typical client to do Cowden Protocol. Like, I have no idea. Is it $500 a month? Is it $1,000?

Like, what's— yeah, it depends.

It's—

so first of all, my, my consult fee is only $100. So, you know, somebody came in the other day— I live in Connecticut— and they're like, yeah, my doc, the last guy charged me $2,500. $2,500 for a visit? So that's pretty high. And then, yeah, I can get a discount on the protocol itself. Typically, the Cowden protocol for per month is $350, but I— it'll, it'll be less than that. $265 is usually what we do. And if we don't do the full protocol, it'll be, you know, we'll use elements of that, and that'll be lower. And then, you know, things like Cystis Tea are $35. You know, it comes in a tin like this. This is, I think, 172 servings. That's the other, you know, not that Cystis Tea, like, it just keeps getting better and better. So this is how great the tea is.

You're selling it, Greg. I'm like, I'm ready to order.

I know. I need to be growing it or something and having my own brand. It's loose tea, so you have to put it in a tea ball or diffuser or whatever. This is the amazing thing about the tea. You should make 3 cups of it per ball because with the first brewing— you boil water and you put the tea ball in. You let it sit for 5 to 7 minutes. That's one. Not all of the good, you know, micronutrients and all the good stuff, you know, the antioxidants and so forth, are in that first brewing. So you put the tea ball in 2 other times, so 3 full brewings. One tea ball gets you 3 cups of tea, is what I'm trying to tell you. So that's why a tin like this gets 172 servings or something. You know, this is 100 grams. This is It's not that much tea, but it's got a phenomenal shelf life. That's why it's so cool that you can make a cistus tea enema with this tiny little tea ball that's a couple teaspoons.

Wow. Yeah. Anyway. Awesome. I love it. Thank you so much for sharing all your info with us. When I read your blog article a couple weeks ago, I was like, "Oh man, we hadn't done a colonics episode in a couple of years." And I just know there's a lot of people who do have issues with caffeine. And so that sounds so great. And then chronic UTIs, when I got reinfected in 2018, that was one of my primary symptoms was heart palpitations, all of a sudden skin issues and gut issues. But I was in the ER I think 12 times for UTIs in just a few short months. Yeah, had, had never had that problem, but I did not— I didn't know that even doing an enema with something like this could help, help do that.

Well, even just the tea itself, right, by itself, just drinking it will help with that as well. So yeah, it's— so what you're telling me is, I can just tell you from what you're— you had a yeast overgrowth issue, it was your problem, your gut was upside down, you had a The UTIs are usually caused from yeast overgrowth. And I've had patients who have said that they've started getting sores in their armpits and they get, you know, thrush, which is when the yeast actually starts to come up the throat and you get a white tongue. And yeah, there's all kinds of horrible things. You get toe fungus and it gets under your nails. That's, that's when it becomes systemic. And that's when, yeah, you should be doing the cissus tea enemas and drinking it at the same time just to flush your whole system.

All right, yeah, so, okay, consultations. You guys can find Greg at—

oh, I asked you this before—

limerecoveryclinic.com. Limerecoveryclinic.com. Oh, and I have the link up there.

So I have my own personal website. I also do energy healing. We didn't talk about that, but that's something that the combination of all these things we talked about on top of energy healing is a really good— I've had patients go into remission just from the energy healing session. So we could do a whole—

okay, so take us— wait, take a couple minutes and tell us about that, because you and I— that's how I came to know you, through your book, which is called The Gratitude Curve, here. And then you and I did an energy session reading, and that— I'd never had— I'd never done anything like that. It was a really neat experience.

Yeah. So, um, yes, so energy healing is— you probably heard of things like Reiki or whatever. And energy healing is something I've been trained to do, been doing it for a couple decades. I can do it in person, I do it in my clinic, or now especially with lockdown, I'm doing many more sessions. Of course, the remote sessions, believe it or not, can be more powerful or more effective, whatever, however you want to describe it than the in-person sessions, which, you know, it's kind of counterintuitive. So I've had patients on the West Coast— I'm on the East Coast— go into remission from Lyme just from a couple of sessions. That, you know, it was hard for me to believe, like, you know. But, you know, I also have patients who we've done— been doing the sessions for years, and they're definitely improving, but they've still got a long way to go. It's, it's, you know, everybody's different. So I am shocked that I've had patients go— you know, one patient in particular, I, before lockdown, I was doing in-person sessions every other weekend at a salt spa in Woodbury, Connecticut called Salt of the Earth. And, you know, I had a patient there who I did in-person sessions on— I used tuning forks, and which is a whole other thing. These tuning forks vibrate, you can put them on your body, and they They're, you know, they're really, really beneficial. Most patients get up off the table and just say, wow, I can't believe how good I feel now. Anyway, we did 2 sessions and then we did a 3rd. She couldn't show up in person, so we did a remote session and this spontaneous past life thing came. And she— well, we didn't know at the time that it— how profound it was, but it was actually not centered on Lyme. She had a shoulder cuff shoulder rotator cuff issue. And I saw her being pushed down a flight of stairs when, like, 400 years ago, and, and realized that because of that trauma in that life, she was carrying that injury and that trauma in her energy field for every life she's had after that life. So she probably had a shoulder injury or a shoulder issue since the 1700s, you know, 1700s. Anyway, so I didn't see her until the next week, and the owner of the salt spa and I could not believe— she was transformed. She looked completely different, like great, fantastic. She had makeup on, like, you know, no depression, like she was just shining. And so we just said, what's going on? How are you doing? She said, I feel so good. Remember my shoulder? Like she said, I needed to go in for surgery. I said, yeah. She said, well, 2 days after our session, I went to my doctor to get a CAT scan because she was going in for rotator cuff surgery. And the doctor came back and he— she said he had this look on his face like, what did you do? Like, you don't need surgery. You— your rotator, it's healed. Like, no surgery needed at all. So that was amazing enough. But then she leans over to me and she says, Greg, by the way, I don't have Lyme disease anymore. Then I just couldn't believe, you know, it's hard for me to believe even that healing can happen spontaneously like that. Sometimes, sometimes it takes years, but it was something that was her block. It was this past life block that got removed and it opened the doorway for other things. So I tell this story to patients, but not to set their expectations of, hey, come see me and I'll have you go into remission. Because obviously it didn't happen with you and it doesn't happen with everybody. But I would say that there's benefits in it for sure, and that if you consistently do it, you— that— see, the thing is, most patients need, you know, more than one. So I've been working with patients, you know, for, you know, months or even years where we're getting down now to the nugget of what's, what's bothering them. They're much improved. And if you do, it's just a an extra dimension of healing to work with. So, you know, working on the physical stuff, obviously that's important, but sometimes you can focus on that and not this energetic stuff. Sometimes the energetic stuff is the linchpin and just opens everything up.

So yeah, you know, healing comes in so many various ways. We'll have to do a whole other episode about healing because I know you've experienced an instantaneous healing in conjunction with John of God over in Brazil. I've experienced my own instantaneous healings. Joe Dispenza talks about it a lot.

That's— he's awesome.

He's great. And I've experienced— I've— but I've been through treatment twice too. Like, I've had some things that I have healed, and my husband has— like, he instantly was healed of years of horrible allergies. And yet, and yet it does— we can't necessarily like apply it to other people or apply it to other things. But there is so much healing that can happen in all these different platforms that energy medicine is just a fascinating aspect of, I think, everyone's journey.

Yeah, you got to find out what's right for you. So, you know, as I started finding out in my own journey, I said, you know, I tried antibiotics for years, that didn't work. I tried herbals, I got better. And as you said, I went to Brazil, I had a spontaneous healing down there. The end of the story wasn't there. I went back to eating bad foods and stressful life, symptoms started to come back. So I realized, okay, I've got to do work on myself too. And I've had patients have that. I had one patient who went into complete remission from a remote session that we did, and then she contacted me me a few months later, and she had been ridiculous. She had burned the candle at both ends, had spent weeks of sleepless nights, stressed herself out, and got sick again like anybody would. We had to recalibrate her, and she's fine now. Everybody's on a different path, and you just got to realize— think of your body as like a car. Would you expect to drive a car for, you know, 5 years without putting any oil in it or doing no maintenance on it at all and driving it all around the country and, you know, beating it up and expecting it to run properly? Because that's kind of what we do with our bodies.

For sure, that's a great analogy. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, as we end, Greg, let's see, we have one final question. How long after you brew the tea, how long can you— will it keep in the refrigerator?

Oh yeah, that's a good question. It'll keep for several days. So you can make— yeah, you can use it. And that's another good point, you don't have to drink it warm. You can make an iced tea out of it. Yeah, it's, it's good for as long as any regular tea, you know, so 4 or 5 days even.

Or 5 days. You know, I never thought of that, but I— because I do my coffee, I have a big pot and I do a big huge batch at the beginning of a week. And then set it in my fridge for a week, right? I never thought of maybe it expiring.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of a long time. But yeah, but yeah, so that was a good question because it can— yeah, I've had, you know, iced tea go bad. It smells. So don't let it go more than a week. That's That's for sure.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you. Thank you so much for sharing all your healing energy and your time with us. I really appreciate it, and all your years and years of colonics investigating and experimenting on your own body.

Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah. Thank you so much, Sarah and Aaron. Thank you to Aaron and I'm glad to see you're— hey, yeah, you're looking very healthy, so I'm happy for you.

Yeah, I'm happy to be healthy too.

It's—

yeah, it's a worthy endeavor getting back to this place.

So we'll have to do another energy session, get you tuned up.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we were talking about it this morning. I was like, babe, you should— you got to do an energy session with Greg. You know, my one regret with the energy session I did with you is that I didn't record it. Oh yeah, yeah. I was trying to like take notes and stuff, but also like trying to relax and stuff. So I wrote some things down, but there were several things that you tapped into that I wished— that was my one thing is I was like, I should have recorded this call somehow. Yeah, I could go back to it.

Because it's better for the patient to be really, really meditative and not be taking notes and stuff. So yeah, we'll definitely— we could definitely record it. I've had a couple people do that because, yeah, then they become like— I don't know what's— yeah, it's like a reading. It's like a psychic reading sometimes. Sometimes these sessions are like that, you know, because You know, what's involved is sometimes past lives are involved, sometimes just knowing, you know, things come up like, you know, like, here's a bizarre thing that happened the other day. So there was a— I was doing a session on a woman, and I was visualizing her energy body. We were moving down her energy body, and then all of a sudden I saw this like gray spot like around her pelvis, like where her female parts are. So I'm trying to just delicately say, you got some problems down there? Like, I asked if she had trouble with childbirth, or did she have any trouble, um, now? Like, is she menopausal? Is she having a hard time with that, or does she have hard periods even? No, no, no, no. I said, well, I'm seeing this block She said, oh, well, I had 3 miscarriages. I said, there you go. So, and as we started to clear the energies, we saw these strands, these like filaments of the energy of those beings who did not come through her were still attached to her, stuck. And it was causing massive health problems with her that she didn't even know about. I didn't know about. So I just talked to her today. She's like, she feels so much lighter. So weird things like that can happen where they, you know, you come to me for an energy session because of one thing, but we find something that you didn't even know. You know, I— who knew that was a thing? And this is the second time this has happened. Recently did one on a woman who she's had healthy children, but early in her life, she had an abortion. It was the same kind of thing. We saw the strand of this baby that didn't pass through and then was stuck, kind of like a little bit of an energetic attachment. It was causing issues. So those kinds of energetic blocks need to be removed. And once they are, it's just like your energy flow— you— like, she emailed me today, she's like, I feel so much lighter, like I can't even believe it. So It's a good thing for anyone to look into, I'd say, because it's kind of the X factor on healing. We pay so much attention to the physical stuff, but if you can work on your energy at the same time, it's just an extra factor that can figure in.

Well, and Klinghardt talks a lot about that.

He does. Yeah, I love— he's— yes, he talks a lot about paying attention or not to the bacteria itself, which I love that concept. I heard about that years ago. He said, you know, the bacteria is smart. It knows when you're paying attention to it, so the best thing you could do is ignore it, you know. And that's— that's— I did start doing that years ago when I was— a patient in Brazil actually told me, it was a Lyme patient who was seeing Klinghardt, and she said, yeah, he says to ignore the bacteria. Because it likes it when you're mad or sad or all this stuff.

So I was like, wow, wow, right? Yeah. You know, when you and I did my energy session last December, so it was more than a year ago, one of the things that came up, like, you had, um, I didn't know I had been reinfected, but I didn't know exactly what I was dealing with. But you had, during the session, said like, hey, you're dealing with some type of an upper GI infection. You probably don't even remember this. And I was like, huh? And I mean, it was because I had— I didn't fully know what I was dealing with. And when I went out to treatment, I ended up going back out to Invita because I was just going way downhill in 2019. And that was one of my primary things that came up was when I went through their extensive testing, is I had this upper GI thing. And I was like, Greg said, I know I get a lot of that.

You know, I don't know what to say. I can't tell you how I see these things, but I do see them. And half the time I think I'm crazy. You know, I actually— I'm starting my second book where I'm starting to get information now from the patients that I work on, like their guides give me this information. And I'll just tell a quick quick story of something that, you know, I'm learning lessons, you know, as I'm doing all this stuff. But sometimes I see things that don't make sense to me, and it makes me sound crazy, right? And I don't want to tell somebody, you know. And so in one case, out of the blue, I'm doing, you know, I'm scanning the person's body, and all of a sudden I see her in the setting where there's people around her laughing, and she's trying on this giant oversized sombrero. And so I'm like, so instead of just saying, have you ever tried on an oversized sombrero? I said, you ever been to Mexico, like south of the border, you know, Tijuana or something? Yeah, yeah, I went to Cancun. That made it worse because then she'd actually been to Cancun. Do you ever try on a sombrero? No, no, no. We wasted all this time trying to investigate it. And anyway, we finished the session and no resolution, like nope. You know, so the satisfying part is the next day she sent me an email. She said, Greg, I've got chills. I can't believe it. After our session, like within hours, a friend of mine sent me a photograph of me at a wedding 3 years ago trying on this giant sombrero with all these people laughing. I said, that's amazing.

And she didn't even remember?

No. No, right. Huh. Second one happened a couple years ago after that where, you know, again, I'm scanning this person's body. I'm like, I see her on a unicorn corn raft as like a 10-year-old girl in the middle of a lake. Like, why am I seeing that? So again, and then I'm— and I'm making these deals in my mind. I'm like, I'm not gonna say anything. That's gonna make me sound like I'm a nut. Then her guides are like, "Tell her, tell her, tell her." They're not leaving me alone. I don't hear voices, but I'm getting this pressure like, "Oh, all right." I say, "Have you ever been on a unicorn raft in the middle of a lake when you were 10 years old?" "Nope, no memory. Nope, nope, nope, nope." Then this one was worse. Luckily, she was very open. I said, "This is why I don't tell people. It makes me sound crazy." You're not crazy. 3 months later, she sends me an email. I had nothing in the— nobody in the email. Subject line was, you're not crazy. It was a photograph of her and another girl on a unicorn raft when she was 12 years old.

Yeah.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. So the information I got with all this, this is this whole mindset thing. So there's a book out called The Emotion Code that this is the concept of it basically, which I asked the guys, "Why are you doing this to me, first of all? Second of all, why are you showing these snapshots of a person's life?" Then all the information flooded in. These people were in the peak of health. They were happy. They were free. It was a slice of their life that was perfect. They're vibrating high. So, in both cases, there were photographs. There's a little snapshot of this time. So, the guide said the next time— and both of these people were fighting depression. So, the guide said, "Look at this photograph when you're down and relive it. Like, literally put yourself in that place. Relive it. Experience that memory. Achieve that state of mind that you were in, and it will act as an antidote." as a natural antidepressant. And I just thought, well, that's, that's pretty amazing. So it's a long, long road to get to that, and it made me sound like a nut, but wow, how powerful, you know?

Yeah, I've done a total of 4 energy healing sessions, and I've had varying experiences with all 4 of them, but they're all valuable. They've all been deeply valuable to me on some level.

Yeah, yeah, I get that. And it's, you know, it's all part of, you know, I used to say it's, it's kind of a cliché, it's like peeling the layers of the onion off. Because, you know, I've done sessions with people where we've done one every day for several weeks, you know, when we would experience something like amazing like the next day something even more amazing would happen. And I would, you know, be asking the guides or whatever, or wondering in my mind, why didn't we do all this at once? How come I didn't see this the day before? Did I miss something? And they were like, no, you can't do it all at once. The person wouldn't be able to handle it. And this is all supposed to happen over a continuum, you know, gently, you know, slowly unraveling. So that's, I think, what's happening with you. You're getting the benefits from all these healers, but it's happening at a pace that you can handle. And that's, that's what I've noticed in my patients too. But sometimes it's like that, you know, you do one session and the patient, you know, it's happened to me twice where I do a remote session on a patient and I usually hear back from them in 24 hours to make sure they're doing fine. Sometimes, you know, I wouldn't hear from these people for weeks and then they email me like, oh yeah, I'm in remission now, see you later. Like, wait a minute, what? You know, so, you know, when you, when you feel better, you, you don't want to look back. I don't blame them. Yeah, yeah. Oh, anyway, wow.

Thank you. All, all genuine types of healing. I, I'm like, I'll take it on whatever level, wherever it comes from.

I want it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, a lot of times it comes down to internal work. Work, which is the hardest work of all. And so, you know, I still do— it's a nonstop thing. You always got to do internal work. So, you know, I find myself now, if I'm not feeling well physically or mentally, I'm like, why? You know, now it's more of a mental thing. Somebody yells at me on Facebook or something and it really bothers me, but it shouldn't. I'm like, why did that bother me so much? Why did I let that person get to me? And then, you know, really, what is it about that that bothers you so much? And so instead of shrugging it off, it's good to, you know, it's not comfortable work to do, but it's good to sit down and self-examination is— that's a part of healing too, you know. So learning what your hang-ups are and what your blocks are, you can release them.

Emotionally and physically. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. All right, thank you so much for your time.

Thank you so much for your invitation, your time, your great conversation. Really enjoyed it. You're, you're very easy to talk to, and, uh, I love what you're doing. And guts, you and Aaron, for, for, you know, what you're doing, shining light on, on this situation and, and helping so many people.

Yep, I would not have chosen this journey on purpose, but once you're in it, then you—

you're on a righteous path though, you know? Yeah, you're doing the right thing, so God bless.

Agreed. All right, thanks, Greg. Thank you. Hi guys, I want to let you know about a book I wrote called Little Bite, Big Trouble, and I'm gonna read a review that recently recently came in. This is from Carolyn, and she says, "Thank you so much for writing your book. It has become the means by which I have explained Lyme to my 4-year-olds. They ask for it to be read as a bedtime story over and over again and love that the mama birdie does yoga and juicing like their mommy. I can't thank you enough for writing this book. It has helped my family so much." You can find it today at Amazon.com. Little Bite, Big Trouble. Disease is contrary to life. Therefore, wherever disease exists, life must also fight to exist.

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