Creating Authentic Connection & Content in the Age of AI

And we are live. Fantastic. Welcome everyone to a pop-up edition of Creative on Purpose Live. I am your host, Scott Perry. I am the founder of Creative on Purpose and also the publisher of the Purpose Driven Prosperity Model. I'm here with Solopreneur Success Circle member and participant and contributor, Anna Kohler-Smith. And Anna and I decided today just a few hours ago that we were gonna talk about something that we both have profound, deep knowledge in, uh, and that is artificial intelligence, authenticity, and, uh, create, uh, content creation and, uh, connection. So, Anna, I, I don't have a, like, a real agenda here, but one of the things that I always kind of find it's helpful to do, uh, is to make sure that we're, we're all talking about the same thing and that people understand what we're talking about. So for anybody tuning in, you know, we're using, uh, words like AI and authenticity and content creation and connection. So I'd love for you to start us off with, you know, just a little riff on how do you think about content creation, creativity, connection, and, and how, uh, and what AI is and how it plays into all of that.

So I've been sort of amazed to think like, what about it? What about, what about our own humanity that we, we seek when we look for content, right? So what is it that we're actually after when we are reading things online or we're looking for people to follow or we're looking for connections or we're looking to not be lonely or we want to find community? Like, what is it? Where is that line between this is a meaningful piece of information that I'm glad I know now that I didn't know before I read it or listened to it, and what changes the course of my life in terms of meaning? Um, and I think that those are the kinds of questions that I think about as I walk around. I was washing the dishes this morning and I was like, you know, why is it, why do I care more about the human the human face, but not just a human face as an AI avatar, but a human that's actually a human and I can trust as a real human. Where is that line? And I feel like I am in my own learning curve because I'm new to Substack and I've launched my business recently and kind of in what I think is also going on for a lot of people, which is a bit of a crisis in terms of knowing what to actually believe. There's so much that's fake. There's so much that's sensationalized. There's so much misinformation. So, and our loneliness and need for connection is so strong. You know, how do we find ourselves in that broader conversation in terms of what we create in the world, what we need to be nourished and to be well, what we need in terms of useful information and what is kind of irrelevant and not that helpful. Like, a bunch, you know, like in the way I'm a public health person and I run public health for 15 years and it just knowing a bunch of facts about a specific kind of behavior like smoking just doesn't really do much of anything. I don't really think. Where do we actually internalize a behavior? Where do we move forward? Where do we connect? Where do we actually feel like we can, you know, as you talk about empathetic antagonism, where is that small amount under the skin we can get where something changes. And these are all the questions I just wanted to dump track onto you today.

Yeah, no, I love it. It's such a, I mean, it's a great topic. It's obviously a very timely topic. Um, and I love what you said about, you know, when we are online, it is often in search of information, which comes through various content content delivery systems, whether that's blogging or email or podcasting or video. And, you know, we can do it on platforms that are built on social media or in search engines like YouTube or on broadcast platforms like Apple iTunes or— I'm spacing on the primary ones now, but anyway. Um, and, and for people that are purpose-driven difference makers like you and I, you know, I think we are— our pursuit of information is not for distraction's sake. You know, that's what— where people, you know, people go to, to social media for distraction or to fuel outrage, right? People that are, um, like you and I are in search of information that will help us solve a problem or achieve an aspiration of our own, but also often are creating content that is informative, that will help, uh, build awareness and earn attention from people that need to hear the kind of things that we talk about so that they, they can achieve their problem or achieve their aspiration or solve their problem. So the information part is really important, and We are drowning in information. Like, the internet is nothing but information. So, and with AI now, there, you know, as soon as everybody could have a podcast, everybody had a podcast. As soon as everybody could have a newspaper, everyone had a newspaper or magazine, right? So we tremendously increased the amount of information, but it wasn't always necessarily filtered, vetted. There's plenty of bad information out there. So there is this element of the AI question around, you know, what does that do to an already saturated market? Does it just make it more saturated? And does it in fact just make it more saturated with more BS stuff? And I think the answer is probably. But here's the way I also see tremendous opportunity for those of us that do try to create and promote and connect through meaningful information that's intended to help people solve problems and achieve aspirations is that as the marketplace gets more and more glutted with all sorts of, you know, BS and/or information of questionable validity, they will start to also seek the person behind the content, which is speaking to what you said, like they will seek the, the human behind the content. So it begs the question, if you are a person that believes in the power of human-to-human connection, um, connection and collaboration, communication, all the things, uh, is it okay to use AI, or how do we use AI? Um, so I definitely have some thoughts on all that, but that's, that's just a little, uh, riff to build upon your riff about kind of where we're all at with this thing right now.

I think, I think, right, um, I do think that at the end of the day, the point is the human, right? The point, we can trace it back where the point, the point is to, I mean, not to be, it's not to be so human-centric, but to be sort of our own purpose, our own focus, our own perspective, our own wisdom in the world, our own place in the world. And I think that if AI can help us get to more clarity and then more wisdom, then we're moving in the right direction. If it's just distracting us with more facts and more presentation and more show and more shine and kind of more bullshit, you know, I feel like it's not, it's not really offering that, but I do think there are ways of doing that. Like, I was talking to an artist friend of mine just before our call, and she was like, you know, I just— she's finishing up art school and she's like, you know, I just feel like I'm not as good of an artist as all these other people around me. And I kept thinking, according to whom? Like, according to what standard of what is it what your style needs to be? And according to what, you know, if your one skill is according to what kind of master defined in what way? What makes art attractive to me is the human mess behind it, you know? And so that— and I told her that, and she was like, oh yeah, I guess it's like, if it's all— all you are is technical skill as an artist, I think you've lost the point. And I don't think she lost the point, but it just was interesting to be like, actually, wait, like, the imperfection is where we get in. The imperfection is where we connect. It's, it's where we can relate. I can't relate to a perfect artist. I can relate to a human who's making some stuff. So where does AI fit into that? You know, like, how does— I mean, how can we use AI to get closer to that version of a wiser version of ourselves as creators who are actually just on the independent, authentic craft path of creation?

So that's, that's true.

Awesome.

Well, you're speaking to the whole idea of function over form. Like if you're, if you're, if what you are trying to accomplish, if the function that you're trying to achieve is to help someone make a meaningful change for the better. And the way that you know that you can do that is to engage with them in a way that helps them make the difference only you can help them make in the way that you can help them make it. Then the form can take a lot of different— you can take a lot of different paths, and AI is just one of the form pieces that can help you do that better. So here's, here's where I'd like to maybe get into, you know, what do we actually talk about when we talk about AI and authentic connection and creation? Because I have a very specific definition of intelligence that I borrowed from Dr. Dan Snyder, which has also been adopted by the Guardian Academy, which is— and, and this is— I have read this from other people much earlier, so it's— this is not proprietary IP that I'm sharing. This is the idea that intelligence is the ability to, get what you want, to accomplish what you want to accomplish. That's a measure of your intelligence. So that's different than knowledge and/or information, right? Because information and not— like, you can spend a lot of time just connecting or collecting dots, collecting knowledge, collecting information. Intelligence is your ability to connect that knowledge and information in a way that helps you close the gap between where you are and where you want to be in terms of some sort of objective aspiration or goal or solved problem. So the artificial part is problematic because artificial has a kind of a negative connotation. I think it's pretty important to remember that we've been using AI for a very long time. You know, a stone axe was AI for people that wanted to chop logs without smashing them against boulders or trying to chew through them with their teeth, right? A steam shovel was artificial intelligence for someone that wanted to dig a hole faster than they could do it with a shovel or their hands or a team of people with shovels. So I prefer the idea, I prefer calling it augmented intelligence. Again, my presumption is if you're following me, my work, or engaged in any of the communities that I engage in, is that you're trying to be a force for good in the world and that you're trying to make a difference. You're trying to do work that matters with people you care about. You want to help other people accomplish things that you've accomplished. Or share knowledge that will help them accomplish what they want to accomplish that maybe is not exactly what you've accomplished. And so that idea that AI as augmented intelligence is helping you accomplish a goal with greater ease and velocity, plain and simple. AI becomes a tool. Tools by and large are created to save you time, effort, reduce risk, and so forth. Now, tools could be used for good or for ill, and some tools have a purpose. You know, a hammer is designed to drive nails into boards. You can use it to build a house. You can use it to build a fence. You can use it to build lots lots of things. You can also use it to bash someone's head in. So, you know, the utility of the tool really depends on the efficacy, the integrity, and the intention of the user. And I was recently engaged in a conversation where someone said, well, AI is not just this, um, neutral tool. Um, it has, you know, it was designed for a purpose. And I, I get that, you know, the same way that people would argue like a gun is actually a tool used intended to take a life. Or to protect oneself. And indeed, you can use it to, you know, and people in my neck of the world use it all the time to put meat on the table. I'm glad they have guns. I'm glad they're able to feed their families. Some people use it as a deterrent or as a way to protect themselves. I think that's okay. Some people use it to go into schools and take innocent lives. Well, that's not okay, but Again, the tool is, although intended for a purpose, I have, I think it's a longer conversation about where does something become the tool's responsibility as opposed to the human's responsibility. So when I think about AI as augmented intelligence, it is a way that I can accomplish the things that I want to accomplish to achieve, to apply intelligence, my ability to get what I want with greater ease and velocity and the intention and integrity of how I'm using it, that's kind of up to me. And obviously there's a lot of people that, you know, do it in ways that you and I wouldn't agree with, but a lot of people are also using it in ways that it's very easy to agree with. The other fundamental thing that I think is worth just noodling on is if you decide that AI is a tool intended purely for evil and you're not going to use it, where are you going to be in the marketplace where most everyone else is using it?

Exactly. I kind of, I wonder too, like, A lot of people, I read, I don't know who was it, was it Maya who wrote yesterday on Substack? She's like, you know, a lot of people have already outsourced their thinking to other places, right? We're already outsourced. So to what extent, so if we're worried about something being outsourced, you know, I think we're kind of missing the problem itself. I think that what we're often missing still is the overarching clarity of what we're really after, the broader philosophical questions of our lives. Where, where do we derive meaning? What is, what is a wise use of our time? How do we care for each other? How do we care for ourselves? I mean, those are the kinds of questions that it brings me to. And I, you know, and I'm like thinking to myself, am I just using AI sometimes because I feel lazy? Because I just get tired and there's a lot of information in the world and I'm like, okay, that's one thing. But when I'm looking online for people to read, people on Substack to follow, whatever. I'm looking for real, messy, non-AI voices that I can see are humans. That's what we're looking for. Uh, at least I think most of us are actually in the same way that when we look for a friend, we look for a real person. We look for a way in. Do you think?

No, I think that's—

I'm like fixing my phone real quick. Okay.

No, you're fine. Fundamentally, you're spot on. I mean, what most of us that are engaged in making a difference, doing work that matters, doing work that's meaning— that provides us with fulfillment, meaning, that allows us to live a legacy that will be worth remembering after we're gone. We are doing human work, uh, creative work, empathetic work, compassionate work, uh, and that's all stuff that AI is not going to be able to take away from us too soon. And to Maya, the point that you made about Maya's, uh, article, um, yeah, a lot of people are trying to outsource like everything to AI, and that's probably a mistake because here's a way I think about it. The fundamental way that I make the difference that I make is through either one-on-one coaching, group coaching, or community. And you've been on the receiving end of several of those things already. So ultimately, I know that the biggest force multiplier is relationship, is connection, is communication, is co-creation and collaboration. And so the sooner that I can get someone into that kind of relation, the right person to get into that relationship, the sooner we can start working together to close the gap and help them achieve what they want to achieve. So there are some things that I can train a GPT to do. I can train a GPT to help because I can write down the directions. I can give it my process for how do I help someone dial in a specific measurable, achievable, relevant, time-bound priority that will move their business forward and allow them to fund and fit the life that they want to live. I can get an AI to do that part. Uh, I— what I have found is that when it comes to further assessing how, how that is going to be accomplished and how we're going to audit where that person is starting and what they're starting with, it actually is more difficult to outsource 'cause there's more complexity, there's more variables, there's more narrative fallacies and cognitive biases and cognitive distortions happening on the user's part. And the AI isn't great, you know, and ChatGPT in particular is really good at just saying, "Oh yeah, what a great idea. Of course, let's figure out how you can do that." When a human, a good, an experienced human being would say, "Is that actually?" something that's worth even putting, investing any of our time in right now. So the way that I look at it is I can, I can leverage AI to create relevant content faster, make it better, uh, in some cases make it more empathetic and relevant. But when it comes to what happens on a call or in a meeting or a Zoom or what have you, it can't take that away. It can't see what I see based on my relationship with the person. So it's the difference between Planck knowledge and chauffeur knowledge. Right now, a lot of people jumped on the AI bandwagon because they're not very good at doing what they do or making the change that they promise people they can make. And so they're hoping that AI will allow them to do it without actually earning their stripes, without actually earning the skill and the empathy and the wisdom to do it in a way that's actually worth paying for. And those people may succeed in the short term for a short period of time, and sooner or later, well, I mean, they will be feeding the cynicism and the skepticism that this thing, that anybody can do this. But for those of us that are invested in a longer game when it comes to building reputation and allegiance capital and authority, and authentic relationships, I think we do have a chance. And the big difference is what happens when we can't use the bot to answer all the questions and we're actually in a situation like this where you're asking me questions and I have to give you answers in real time while I'm looking you in the eye, while I'm processing and understanding what you what you are saying you want, while I'm also listening for the subtext and the B message about what you really want and what you're saying is really in your way, and looking for the blind spots and the black holes and the misleverage in what you're saying so that I can actually help you identify the actual problem that you're trying to achieve and not the one that you're making up, because it kicks the can down the road or it helps you feel like you're doing something while you stay stuck or maybe even going backwards and so forth. So there's lots to think through on there, but again, I love the idea of plank knowledge versus chauffeur knowledge. That's a Charlie Munger anecdote, but basically the idea is, yeah, we can train bots to do lots of things and they will sound smart and they will be right sometimes, But if someone asks a difficult question or someone has a nuanced situation, or if there's a level of complexity that where you have to go deeper, you need the physicist to actually stand up and say, well, based on my long years of experience writing, teaching, et cetera, it's actually, this is what has to happen.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like, it's, I, um, using, I mean, there's a couple different takes on this, right, with AI. One is like, you know, the whole idea of industry knowledge that you as an industry person understand all, for example, when you and I were doing the coaching by email process and I just had various like, um, you know, just like, just like the weird different kinds of voices that would enter my head. And the response I was looking for was actually a response from a person that had felt similar things, that actually felt what that doubt feels like. And I needed to trust with 100% certainty that you understood those feelings, you know, versus it being like, oh yeah, it sounds like you're having a hard day and AI's chat's, you know, ready when you're back or You know, okay, that can be useful, but I need to trust there's another human on the other side of that. And I think that is just the kind of thing when, when a human needs to trust another human is really behind it. And then that's the only, that's, that's the ultimate voice in the process, right? I think that's where we actually like have a different, you know, that's where, that's where it becomes a lot more important. I, I, I, it's like, it's like, I think the idea of trusting that it's fully real and that it's fully human, that being a really important factor.

That's a really great insight. And this is where the advent of AI is maybe going to solve some of the problems that have been created by doing business and, and connecting in the digital world. And the rise of the digital marketer and the online guru, because digital marketers and online gurus have been able to engineer behaviors in ways that you and I probably would never find ourselves, right? Looking for psychological triggers and pain points that we can dig into and creating false certainty and false agency and false scarcity. And I think even before AI, most people were, that are looking for solutions online, were able to smell a funnel 100 miles away, were able to tell when someone was just selling some sort of BS high-ticket solution to a problem that maybe they solved for themselves in the past, But, you know, who— whose time has already kind of come and gone. Like most— most online gurus are not bad people that are selling things that they think are just pure snake oil. They're selling solutions to problems that they solved for themselves in the past using the means that they solved them with. The problem is you're not them and it's not the past. And so by the time some guru is selling you a process, a blueprint, a roadmap or whatever, it's no longer functioning and operating at the— this— and optimized as much as it was when, when they discovered it and/or used it. The other piece is that, and this is speaking a little bit to what you're saying about like really amplifying the need for human understanding and compassion, is that A lot of digital marketers and online gurus sell technical problems to what are— I'm sorry, technical solutions to what are adaptive problems. Like, you can't actually solve your sales problem with a funnel because at a certain point you're going to exhaust that 2 to 3% of the marketplace that will buy from a funnel. And if your thing didn't work. You've got no—

you want to work with that funnel, by the way. Sorry, Scott, if you actually want to work with that funnel to begin with, which you probably didn't, but yeah, exactly.

It takes a lot of time and money to get a funnel working. And then if you've— once you exhausted the market with a solution that doesn't work, then you've exhausted the entire market. Nobody's spreading the word about the great work that you do and the difference that you help them make. And so The, you know, the providing, having a dogmatic posture like this is the way, this is the only thing that works out. You know, a digital marketer that says the only way to succeed in life is to be obsessed with what you do. The only, you know, email's dead, you have to use video marketing, whatever. That's dogmatic solutions to adaptive problems. It's not true that email's dead. It's not It's not true that video is the only way that you can sell online. It's not true that you have to be obsessed. In fact, I would recommend you don't be obsessed. Obsessed people generally are not very happy people. So we're starting to see through that more and more. And we are starting to, I think we're, and we are, I think we're starting to look for the alternatives. Like I don't want to buy a high-ticket program from some self-proclaimed expert. I don't want to get sucked into another funnel I give up my email just so I can get spammed into eternity with something I don't want to buy that doesn't really fit my personality, my preferences, my temperament tolerances. So there's that element where those of us that are leveraging technology, AI, uh, digital communications to build authentic human connections We're going to be okay.

And when you do it, it feels that way. When I read what you talk about, when I read what Seth Kruiser talks about, like, it's like there's a very specific sense of we have a comprehension of what our own humanity requires and what our own humanity requires in business, what our own humanity requires in just having a meaningful life, what it means getting outside. It means connecting with others. It means not working. It means not being obsessed with work. Either, you know, but there's a lot up to our lives that go on. And I think that there's— and I, it's like the— what's the term? I don't know who said this— with wisdom work, right? That that's the actual direction that we need to be going in, right? Versus just trying to become more productive and more like a robot, you know. Like, I think about it in, in my work as an artist, like, my most interesting art comes from my most intuitive, playful space, not my most productive space. And I think places like Substack, I am seeing, and I'm really encouraged to see that there are, there's a lot more of that. There's a lot more, or maybe there's, there's always been that, but it's easier to access or it's more visible or it facilitates it more easily. You know, it's like you could just kind of dive in versus like trying to search and search for something that doesn't make you feel terrible on Twitter. You know, like I just can't. It's funny how I'm at a point right now too in my own life where I'm like gauging a lot of things by how it affects a broader sense of my like more intuitive and almost like physical reaction. And the fact that I feel like a sense of invitation with so many people I'm now reading on Substack is a sense of like, no, this is actually a pool I can swim in. Like I can engage here and I just wanna, what I'm looking for are real voices and they could be supported by AI, like a really good assistant or a really good expert who just is around to hang out to help you. But that can't replace the fact that we know that we have to connect to be trusted and to do good business and just to be good people and to have a good life, you know? And I think that's kind of what it comes down to. Um, and I wonder for people who are missing that kind of wisdom part of it, like you said, are going to suffer a huge amount more in the future, you know, like, oh, I thought this was going to really expedite something and I was going to be a lot smarter in this, but I really don't have any more trust. I don't feel any better about my life. People, you know, it's like, where's the, where's, where's, where's the, where's the reason for living and all of that. I don't know. I think the broader questions are actually philosophical ones. And I think that's something you and I see eye to eye on a lot. And that's kind of what I'm thinking about lately. Yeah.

For sure. The wisdom piece that you're, that you're talking about is such a vital element. Because AI can make you smarter. It can give you knowledge and information fast, and it can help you put it together in ways that are helpful, persuasive, and so forth. So AI can be— is— and make you smarter when it comes to building a funnel or creating scroll-stopping headlines, uh, or creating compelling calls to action. But it can't tell you whether that's a good idea or not. That's— you need wisdom for that. And that's one of the reasons why—

sorry, chat's not going to say to you, sorry, Anna, you need to go get a life, like stop asking the same questions over and over again.

Yeah, you know, this is an important There are some things that you can do too. I do have GPTs that I provide to community members and clients that serve as a proxy in between our coaching sessions and so forth. It's trained on my, not just my intellectual property, my coaching IP, but also in my coaching style and voice. So it does an okay job of calling people out on their bullshit or identifying blind spots or so forth, but it's still not going to be a substitute for me. Like when I, uh, Bree, uh, Willie is, you know, someone that talks quite often about how much she loves the Scott bots, as they're fondly referred to. She also talks about how important it is to cross-check and to double-check with Scott the human, because Scott the human actually oftentimes will point to additional ways that this could be addressed or play out or offer a perspective that does help change a mind or collapses time to target even faster because of earned wisdom. That's why I call what I do Cornerman Coaching, 'cause I'm an old dude. I've seen a lot of stuff. I've done a lot of stuff. Does that mean I can teach you how to, you know, I, yeah, there's some technical things I could help you with when it comes to, playing the guitar or developing a coaching business or what have you. But they're also— and you said this earlier— like, I am coming at everything from philosophy and first principles, you know, a core time-tested, scientifically vetted beliefs that go all the way back into antiquity, and principles or practices that, although falsifiable, have not yet been falsified. So we're going to stick with the foundational things that have to have to happen for you to achieve what you want to achieve. We can get into strategy and tactics and tools, but first we have to know what we're actually trying to accomplish, that it's worth accomplishing, and what are the fundamental things that have to happen for that to be accomplished so that we don't waste our time building things, doing things, optimizing things that actually have no bearing on your success. In fact, most of the time, if we eliminated 80% of the things that we're doing, we would accomplish what we want to accomplish a lot faster and have a lot more fun and with a lot less stress and heartache.

I think, I think that what you're saying makes a lot of sense. And I think it does speak to the fact that when you're struggling and where you're in this place of wanting to make decisions and looking for insight and wanting to take steps, you know, what is actually what gets in the way? What gets in the way is, is the sense of being alone, right? What gets in the way is, yeah, you cannot know. And I, I've talked about this with you. I've spent years wandering the desert, not knowing, but I was well connected and happy and had a lot of great meaningful projects. So knowing is one thing, right? But the human connection of it is, I think, what we're ultimately craving. And it's probably one of our greatest unlocks of intelligence, right? Like, Social intelligence comes from just from connection. And so I would hate to see people just continue to be alone, have the isolation vibe that so often it comes, if it can be done more communally or collaboratively, because AI is also, I also heard it described, it's collaborative intelligence, right? It's collective intelligence, you know, it's accumulated intel and it's also a lot of garbage, right? You know, but like, okay, well, we can tap into that, but how can we tap into that to actually meet our greater needs? Um, I don't know. Those are questions I'm still asking. Uh, but yeah, but you, but you provide a beautiful example of what, what's possible with that and with generating community and using tools helpfully without getting too distracted. And like, and maybe how can we use this to contribute to the actual life you seek to live? Because with you, that's what you start with. What's your life gonna look like? Not how fast, not how much money, whatever. What's your life gonna look like? And I think if we, if AI required everybody to pause and actually think about what their life wanted to look like, you know, it's like, what, like, first let's talk about where, where are you actually trying to go? You know? Yeah. I've got about 3 minutes left, then I gotta hop off.

Yeah, yeah. We need to wrap up because it's time for Catalyst coaching calls here very shortly. But just closing thoughts, Anna, based on the conversation and the questions you came in with, what are your big takeaways or lessons or ahas from this conversation?

Oh, I think I'm underlining in my own life your very specific concept on like, you know, what is an effective tool and getting clear on what is an effective tool. But if you don't know what you're building, it's kind of ridiculous to have— it's like you buy a box of tools for what? You got to know what you're using it for. So I would kind of, in my— in the ongoing invitation of doing that more challenging, harder stuff, of actually figuring out where you are trying to go first and then letting the tools be useful, but not distracting along the way. I think that'd be my closing. What about you, Scott? What do you think?

Well, I just, I come back to my original point, like artificial intel. If you want to be a fake, if you want to fake intelligence, you can use artificial intelligence to fake intelligence. Um, I, you know, right. But if, if you come at it from the, this idea of augmented intelligence and you have some skill and some lived experience and some ability to help people accomplish a task, then this tool, AI, can augment your intelligence by helping you help other people accomplish what they want to accomplish, whether that's achieve a goal or solve a problem with greater ease and velocity if you use it with that requisite integrity and intention. So, you know, I guess my big takeaway is if you are arguing that AI is going to solve the world's problems or compound them, you are actually just adding to the noise. The question becomes, how, how are you going to take responsibility for how you think about, how you engage or not engage with AI, uh, the what you do use it for and what you don't use it for, where it does enhance your life and the life of the people that you're working with, uh, where it does bring you greater fulfillment and meaning and significance in your life and and where it cannot. You know, I think ultimately that's, that's the real game here. You know, AI is a tool and the responsibility for how that tool is used and the efficacy of the use of that tool, that's up to you. So embrace your agency to decide these things for yourself and stay open to the possibilities that, that come along the way, and you will be able to iterate and improve your way to accomplishing the things that you want to accomplish in ways that help you become the kind of person that you want to become.

Yeah.

Always fun to talk with you, Anna. All right.

Thank you, Scott. Thanks everybody.

Thanks everyone for tuning in.

Yeah. Okay. We'll see you where we see you next. Thanks.