Let Your Life Speak - Full Live Training

Thanks very much for being here again. So here's the call agenda. I'm gonna just talk about 3 things. I want to talk a little bit about what vocation is and why heeding the call of vocation matters. I'm gonna talk a little bit about what might be holding you back from hearing or heeding vocation's call. And then I'm gonna give you 3 simple steps that you can take right after this call to start heeding and— or hearing and heeding vocation's call and stepping into your potential and possibility. As a thriving difference maker engaged in living their legacy in the second half of life, second mountain, second act. We'll get to some of that in just a minute. I will hold space at the end of each section for a little Q&A. At the end of this call, you're going to get an email with access to the recording, a free, uh, quick start guide that's going to hit all the highlights of the things that I share here today, and then also At the very end, I'll share an invitation, and it really is just an invitation to check out taking a bolder step into possibility with the concepts we're talking about here through the Live Your Legacy program, a 5-week online program to help you define the difference only you can make and start living your legacy. That begins on Monday. No hard-hitting salesy pitchy pitches here. And again, want only the right people and the people that are ready to take that bolder step to participate in that. But that will be just sharing a link and asking any questions that you might have about that program. So if that all sounds good, we're going to go ahead and get started. Everything good? We are good. All right. So what I want to start with in part 1, and just to be clear, I don't have a big slide deck. I'm not a big slide deck person. So this is just me talking. I do have some notes in front of me. It's just an outline. I'm not reading a script, so I'm not able to always see, see you, but if you have questions as they come up, go ahead and put them in the chat or use the raise your hand feature, which is under reactions in your menu. Okay, so let's talk about vocation. What is vocation? How do we go about hearing vocation? What do we do when we're ready to heed the call of vocation? Vocation. I'm speaking now as a 4-time winner of the Latin prize in high school. Vocation comes from the Latin vocare or vocatus, depending on if it's a verb or noun, and it means the call. And so when we talk about vocation, and I'm sure you all have heard this word before, we're talking about heeding the call of our life's person, purpose, or mission. Here we have a I'm going to go ahead and just interrupt myself here for one second. We have someone coming in, and we'll wait for them to get connected. Hello, iPad! Great to have you here. We just got started. So vocare, vocatus, vocation. It's all about heeding the call. What call? The call to your life's purpose, the call to your inner journey, the call to do the work that you're meant to do.

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And so one of the questions that comes up in the books that I've read about this subject is, where does that call come from? Is it something within you that is speaking to you because it wants to speak through you, or is it something external that is speaking to you so that it can then speak through you? For me, I think it can be a both-and situation. So Parker J. Palmer has this phrase that I've borrowed to title this talk, "Let Your Life Speak." It's an old Quaker maxim about heeding the call from within to live your life purpose out loud, to live in accordance with your character, your— and your values, and to serve others by letting your life speak through you. I just work with a lot of clients who also often will talk about hearing the call from outside. Maybe it is some sort of divine, you know, depending on your spiritual, philosophical, or religious experience, it might be some sort of divine voice speaking to you. It might be the voice of inspiration. I like to just call it the voice of vocation. Wherever it is, it's speaking from within me or from without me. But I don't think you need to get too hung up on where the voice is coming from. What's more important is what is that voice trying to tell you? And that voice is usually speaking to you at some point in what we might call midlife, somewhere near the first, first end of our first half of life, the first act of our life, the first mountain of our life. And it's, it's asking you to consider a different journey. And so I like to call vocation the work that you're meant to do now. And so that begs the question, well, what are we talking about when we're talking about work? So work is one of my favorite topics because it's, it's a word that we use all the time, and sometimes we don't even really consider what it is that we're talking about. So there's a fantastic book— I'm forgetting the author's name, I think his last name is Sachs— called Work. It's about that thick. It's a really fascinating book. But here's the punchline: all living things work. Work is merely the transference of energy. You take in, you absorb energy, and then you put it into something else to make some sort of change happen. So all living things work. A plant takes the sunlight and the CO2 and the nutrients and the water from the soil, and it creates branches and leaves and buds and flowers and fruit. Human beings are really unique in that we leverage the work that we do to help us build our identity and forge meaning in our lives. And so We're going to talk here next about kind of the two types of work that— well, there's two phases of our work life, but I also want to talk about the two types of work that you're probably all doing right now. Most of you are probably doing something to earn a living. You're taking care of your familiar— familial or financial responsibilities. Good for you for being a good citizen taxpayer and taking care of business. And then there's this work that we get to do. This is the thing that might be your hobby, or maybe it's a side hustle, a passion project, or something else that you're doing on the side. And both of those things to me are equally valid enterprises. You can do both at the, at the same time, or not at the same time, but in the same phase of your life. And when we're talking about vocation, it's great if you happen to be one of those lucky people, and I count myself among them, who gets to kind of marry the work you have to do and the work you get to do. I do this all day long, and I make a reasonable living doing this, and I am very, very grateful for living and making a living through my vocation right now. But I spent a lot of time doing the work I had to do, uh, to make a living and take care of my family, and then doing the work that I wanted to do, get to do, on the side. And so I don't make any value judgments about which work you're doing or which work you should be paying more attention to. It really depends on your unique situation. And then, you know, the next question is, well, why is this talk about vocation then so fraught? And so here's what I think is the situation. In my first book, Endeavor, I talked a lot about what does it mean to be human? What does it mean to be happy? How do I be more of both? And the vocation and work piece really speaks into this. I would encourage you all to contemplate the same question as you're thinking about what am I going to do with the rest of my life, with the next phase of my life. But what I came up with was 3 things: we are inherently social creatures, we're inherently conscious creatures, and we're inherently creative creatures. We are social by nature. This is why we survived and thrive as a species, because we got together to solve the interesting problem of survival when we first appeared on the planet. And so we have this inherent instinctual need and want to do our work and to live in community. We rely on each other. We have within us an impetus to serve and to be compassionate towards each other. We also have— it doesn't mean that we're always treating each other the way that we would want to be treated, but we have that instinct. We have that instinct to be with others. We also are conscious creatures. We're aware that we're aware. That gives us the capacity for reason and rationality. Now, yes, we live most of our lives subconsciously or unconsciously. Most of what our day-to-day is all about is just responding to things that we just do without thinking about them. We also sometimes use our capacity to reason to justify our unreasonable behavior, and we use our capacity for rationality to rationalize our faulty thinking. Yet we have all these things at our disposal. And then we're creative creatures. We love to solve interesting problems. We love to make things. This is something that we've, you know, been practicing since we exited the womb. We created a talking, walking, reading, writing, bike riding, car driving human being. That's an act of creation. We've made something out of some something else, or we've made— we built upon what was already there. The other part about being human, I think, is the paradox of we love the status quo and we love to explore. We love the status quo because we love to know what's expected and where we belong, and we love to explore the edges of our understanding and ability and step into our potential and develop our promise. These things, again, simultaneously true at the same time. So here's just setting the table there to get to the interesting part. So when I'm talking about first mountain, first act, first half of life, second mountain, second act, second half of life, what am I talking about? The first mountain, first act, first half of life, we are being formed through what I call the educational and occupational industrial complex. This is our schooling and our job, and this is founded on leaning into the status quo and of what it means to be human. Um, they are systems that are built on rewarding what I would call false certainty and confidence. And we do this initially through compulsory education that's based largely on compliance and teaching conformity. And then we move into our jobs that do very much the same thing. And during this first half of our lives, while we're climbing this first mountain, we are living a journey that— where we are defining ourselves and forging meaning in our life through external validation. At first it's our parents, and then it's our friends and society at large, then it's our teachers, and then it's our peers and our bosses and fellow employees in our roles and jobs. And then we are defining ourselves and forging meaning in our life largely through external things like stuff, salary, and status— how we measure up to other people. And that's— I'm not saying that in any way as a value judgment. This is something that we have all grown up in, and you probably can recognize a little sliver at least of truth in what I'm saying. Nothing— again, I always say it's not your fault. This is the world that you grew up in. Now, at some point, some of us hear this whisper, the call of vocation. It might be a whisper at first. Maybe it happens because you've kind of fallen off the first mountain, or you've gotten as far as you can go, or you're going to be forced to retire. It can happen because of some sort of failure or fall in your life, and we wake up to the fact that there might be actually more to our lives than what we're receiving through our pursuit of defining ourselves based on all these external factors. And so when we consider that there is the second mountain and we can see it and are considering scaling it, we're looking at a very, very different journey. This is the journey that is much more internal, much more based on defining and refining and reconnecting and embracing our values, the causes that we believe in, the legacy that we want to leave behind, the connections that really matter to us. And we define ourselves not through the things that we were talking about earlier—status, salary, and stuff—but instead we start to define ourselves through things like soul, sacrifice, and service. So that's just setting the table for the two journeys and to what I mean by vocation. Gonna hit the pause button there and ask if there's any questions about that part before we get into what might be holding you back from heeding the call of vocation. I'll go to gallery view for a second here just to see if there's any— Everybody still with me? Everybody still with me? Okay, and nobody's sworn at me in the chat and no arguments have ensued, so this is great. Let's continue on then. I'm gonna go back to speaker view. So let's talk a little bit about what might be holding you back. When we talk about— and I, I see several friends here already from the Akimbo world. For those of you that aren't aware of Akimbo, akimbo.com, fabulous workshops, Alta MBA program, etc., created by Seth Godin and now run as an independent B Corp. In that world and in your world, regardless, you may talk about things like imposter syndrome, resistance, overwhelm, and burnout. These are real psychological experiences, and I don't want to in any way diminish the, the fraughtness and, and the, um, the challenge of these experiences. They are real, they are true, they happen. Um, these are the things that hold us back, not just from heeding the call or hearing the call of vocation but from really ever stepping more boldly into our potential and developing and delivering on our promise. And so what I do is I kind of just bundle all of these forces that conspire against us stepping into possibility and our potential as it's fear. And by fear, I mean The thing that triggers your amygdala, the thing that triggers your fight, flight, or freeze response. These are threats, threats to our well-being, and they are threats that are sometimes real, and they are threats that are sometimes imagined. And so each, you know, we can look at these, all these things, imposter syndrome, resistance, overwhelm, and burnout, as fear-based things, but they have different applications. When I think of imposter syndrome, that's the voice that says, Scott Perry, what do you think you're doing? Who are you to speak to a room full of people about climbing the second mountain, about heeding the call of a vocation? Why don't you just shut up and get yourself a real job? I name my voice. I call him Oscar, and that's because my childhood fascination with Oscar the Grouch and Sesame Street. And so, you know, Oscar and I have conversations kind of all day long where I am fighting the voice of Oscar to keep stepping into the work that I'm meant to do, the work that I want to do, and the work that I feel I'm meant to do now. That is all about trying to keep me in the status quo. Resistance is sometimes something similar, but that usually is less about validating myself against the external and really having— doing battle with the internal. Overwhelm is the abundance of choice in my life. I'm very privileged to be able to have lots of choices. And so when there's an abundance of choices, oftentimes we choose to do nothing. This is overwhelm. And then burnout is when you are trying to give from an empty tank. You know, I'm looking at the room and I'm seeing people that I know to be generous, empathetic, compassionate, eager to serve, eager to help. And people like us tend to give and give and give and give, and then suddenly you give out because you haven't continued to replenish the tank. And so these are all kind of attached, can be attached to fear somehow. So there's manifestations of fear that are, um, these things can be related to angst, our existential Fear around the overwhelm and the uncertainty and fragility of our lives every moment of the day could be tied to anxiety. Our fear of unanticipated and uncertainty about things that are going to happen in the future can be tied to guilt, which is fear that is tied to stories we tell ourselves that are tied to experiences that we had in the past. And so for me, it helps me to just bundle it all into this idea of fear. And when I think about what's really holding myself or anyone else back, comes down to the narrative that we have internally around our worthiness, our inherent value. And so your narrative around your worthiness, this, you know, I just think of it as, you know, the stories we tell ourselves, all the stories that we live. And when we are embracing the story of worthiness that we have with ourselves, that may not be as healthy as it needs to be for us to stand up and be seen, speak up, be heard, do the work that needs to be done to step into our potential and possibility, doing work that matters and being of service to other people. We have to, um, we have to have ways of reframing all those things that we just talked about. So for me, when Oscar shows up, I say, Oscar, my buddy, thank you so much for showing up, because you only show up when I'm actually heading in a direction worth exploring. Thank you for validating that I am pointed in a direction that maybe I can lean into or take a small step into possibility today. And and develop, continue to develop myself, and continue to try to help other people. What happens is these voices— overwhelm, burnout, resistance, Oscar the Imposter— when you acknowledge them and when you thank them for helping you see the way and you actually continue to step and continue to step and continue to step, a daily discipline of taking a small step into your potential every day, they get really frustrated and they get really quiet really quickly because they, they, they are programmed to keep you humble, humiliated, and hiding. They're there to protect you from the danger of standing up to be seen, speaking up to be heard, and being potentially, um, you know, cast out of the tribe or the group that you're in. And they served us very well, especially when we were surrounded by creatures that wanted to eat us for dinner. But they don't serve us as well now. So how can you reframe your relationship with these things that are holding you back? How can you make them actually compasses, signposts, help them, help befriend them and dance with them so that you can you can continue to step into your potential. So that's a little, little riff, maybe a little rant on how— what's holding you back and how you can navigate it. Gonna pause again real quick before we get to the last section, which is very quick, and then we'll get to any last questions. But any questions on navigating fear, addressing your internal narratives around worthiness?

Go ahead, Jackie. So it's sort of a— it's It's close to that. I was just thinking about the first part when you talked about the two parts of your life, and the first is, you know, really you talked about salary stuff and status and then moving to soul sacrifice and service. Do you find that there are people who don't move from one to the other because they don't feel like they've finished the first half, and so they're sort of stuck in the first half, and that may be the obstacle to them moving And I don't know if that's because they really haven't finished or because it's fear that they haven't finished. So I just wanted you to comment on that.

Well, as you know, Jackie, I'm always happy to share my opinion on things. I think this is the thing that saddens me, is that there are people that go through their whole life, people I love, people that I'm related to, that never even become aware that there is this other option, that there is another way that they can live their lives, that there is a second mountain that they can decide to scale. And that's because our systems conspire against us. We are fed this idea that if you do what you're told, do it the way we tell you, if you do it right, the way that we say is right, we'll give you rewards. We'll give you money and houses and status and, um, shopping. And you can distract yourself. We'll give you social media. That's my favorite. And you can remain distracted and quote-unquote happy just continuing to feed into the system. The problem really for many people, Jackie, in my experience— and this was my experience because I feel I spent a lot more time on the first mountain than I care to really own up to— is, you know, sometimes it takes a tragedy, sometimes it takes a trauma, sometimes it takes a, um, a break in a relationship, in your occupational situation, for you to wake up and say, holy crap, I've been buying a false set of— a false promise all this time. And so for me, it's important to, you know, it's not a shaming, blaming situation because the system is kind of rigged against us. But there is— it is— I think it's heroic to even consider that there might be another way of doing things because everything is leveraged into doing it this way. Serve the status quo. The status quo wins. Because it's really good at winning. Go ahead, Kristin.

I want you to just clarify for me. There's a feeling that I'm getting in my head that somehow the vocation shouldn't be financially aspirational. And I'll bet that's not correct. So I thought maybe I would just ask you to clarify that because I had a good corporate career and now I'm doing something that's more meaningful to me, but I still want to make money. Mm-hmm. Um, so speak to that being okay, even though it's this second mountain with lots of other ideal things around it. Absolutely.

I love that question. It's a fantastic question. And the answer is yes, it can be voluntary. I work with a woman who did really, really, really well in the financial world. She has no desire to make any more money. She does have a desire to just help young people get a grip on their finances, get their, um, their, their financial world in order. And so for her, that's the vocation. I want to help serve others in this way. Here's the interesting thing about doing it the other way, the way that you're considering, and the way that I do it, which is to charge money, is again, we're talking about worthiness. We're talking about Trusting yourself. One of my favorites. Some people get tired of me saying this quote, but I'll say it anyways. My favorite Goethe quote: "As soon as you trust yourself, you will know how to live." Trust yourself. If you trust yourself enough to invest in yourself. How many people here would not hesitate a moment to pay for a loved one's meal, education, whatever. And yet when it's time to invest in something for yourself, when you're hovering over the Buy Now button, you go, I can't do that. I don't, I don't buy things for myself. I buy things, I invest in other people. I don't invest myself. That would be selfish. Balderdash. At some point, you have to trust yourself enough to say, I am investing in myself and the difference only I can make. Because what happens when you invest is you seek a return on investment. When you put— when you invest and ask— so in your case, Kristen, when you ask others to invest in themselves, you are inviting them to trust themselves enough to invest in themselves and to therefore leverage the moment to step into the change that they want to make within themselves. And so I would say both and, but still a value exchange, right? It is a value exchange, and, and money is just one of the way— it's a story, it's all made up, right? But it's, it's, it's how we transact, it's how we express value. I have a client that some of the members of this community know who said it better than I ever will. She says, I've never regretted an investment I've made in myself. And I love that because I've made some pretty crappy investments. I invested in a really high-powered, high-profile coach that I thought was going to really, you know, take me to the next level, and it turned out to be a con. It turned out to be a complete waste of time, and I invested a fair amount of money. But you know what? There's other people in that program, and I leveraged that community, and I made connections within that community, and I, I have friends and confidants and collaborators that have come out of that that have more than paid for the money that I thought I wasted on that program. Investment is up to the person investing, and you get to decide what your story is around the investment that you made. And so I think it's a very powerful lever for helping people make the transformation that they want to make. Any other questions on this piece? We're nearing the home stretch. I'm going to go back into— excuse me— speaker mode. And this is the one and only slide that I have for you today. And so if you're like one of those people that loves to say at the end of a presentation, "Can I have the slide deck please?" I'm really sorry to disappoint you today. It's just not my jam. Not the way that I find that I'm able to make real change happen. But this is a slide that I am proud to share. I began creating this Venn diagram when I wrote my first book 6 plus years ago. The name of the book is The Stoic Creative, and I recommend highly that you don't buy it. I've written much better books. It still sells and people still like it, and it was the beginning of my career as a published author, but this Venn diagram has come a long way since then. This is the beginning of the process that we're going to explore in the Live Your Legacy program. That I'm going to share a link to at the end of the program. Um, when you are beginning this journey, uh, in the second half of life, when you are ready to start your second act, when you're ready to climb the second mountain, you're going to have this courageous conversation with yourself about, okay, I've been a parent, I've been an employee, I've been an employer, I've been an entrepreneur, freelancer, I've been a this, a that. And you're going to start to say, and what else? Is this all there is? And you're going to have a courageous conversation about who you really are and what do you really do, what are you really good at, and where do you really belong. And so just to give you— and again, this will be in the— this then will be in the guidebook along with some other information. But you know, when I think of who I am I think about things like, what are my core values? What are my beliefs, my core beliefs, the things upon which, you know, I have a very hard time equivocating? What are the virtues? What are the values that I actually live through my engagement with other people, through the work that I do? What are the guiding principles? What are the boundaries and guardrails around my attitudes and behaviors and the words that I speak that help me define what I do say and what I don't say, what I do do and what I don't do, who I do work with and who I don't work with. This is a conversation that you need to have to really start to dial in and start to not just trust but love the person that you are. And so Some of you that have read some of my other handbooks know that there's some tools available out there that you can start to dial that in on your own if you like. But in the workshop, we're going to dive into this in a little bit more detail and depth. Then we're going to look at what, what you do. And what you do, or what you're good at, is a combination of— I call it talents and skills. So talents are the things that you were born with a proclivity for. Like, I go for a run every day, but I'm not really a runner. I mean, I was never going to be a world-class sprinter. I'm not built that way. Um, and some people are. And some people are born, um, with a greater, um, confidence in carrying themselves and communicating in public, and some people are not. You know, we have these kind of inborn instinctual things, you know, that are just determined by biology and by, you know, our early experiences. But we also have skills, the skills, the hard skills that we learned in school and on the job. And I think that it's great to take an inventory of those. I think it's even more important to take an inventory of the soft skills, the human skills, the real skills around communication, connection, collaboration, creativity, the human skills that AI will never be able, or never in our lifetime be able to take, they'll never do our job for us around these things. They may take over some of the hard skills, they'll probably never, or at least not in a very long time, ever take the, the work that employs the soft skills away from us. And then finally, where do you belong? And my assertion is that you belong with people who share your values and need your skills and talents to enhance their lives. And those are people that are already in your circle, your sphere of influence, circle of connections. And some of those people are going to hit the center of that Venn diagram And so when you think about who you really are, what you're really good at, and where you really belong, you will begin to be able to dial in this thing that I call the difference only you can make. Now, if you're an author, you might say, well, there's a lot of other authors out there. Why would I— that's, that's not the difference only I can make. But yes, only you can write your book. Only you can create your keynote. Only you can create your only you can create your coaching program or mentoring program or whatever it is. And so that is what we're talking about, or at least what I'm talking about when I talk about the difference only you can make. And this is what vocation is calling you to do. It may be calling you to do this while you continue to earn a living doing the work that you have to do, but you can also do this other work. As well. And I'm not in any way, shape, or form encouraging people to ditch their crappy day job and try to go all in on their passion. I think that's a very dangerous thing to do. Just a quick story on that: when I became a musician, I just— I had some savings and I had permission from my wife, and I said, I want to try this for a year. And if I don't make it, if I don't make enough every day, every night to do it the next day, I'll stop doing it, I'll go back to teaching, which is what I left to become a musician. Well, it turns out that I made enough every night, mostly just enough, to do it again the next day, and I did that every day for almost 30 years. And I get a lot of people asking me, hey, I wanna do just what you did. And I always think, you do? You want to scrape by day to day and spend time on the road living, uh, you know, sleeping in rest stops on top of your equipment in a hatchback or a van, maybe with a bunch of smelly dudes? I don't know, that doesn't sound like a dream to me. For me, it was the only thing I could do. I tried to quit being a musician many times in my life, and I just— whenever I quit, I was always back on it in just a in just a week or two. That was, at that time, that was the vocation that I was meant to live, and I lived it until I no longer found that sense of fulfillment and flourishing from it. I don't advocate that you turn your passion into your job. One of the things about being a musician is you put, spend very little time playing music. You spend a lot of time booking gigs, traveling to gigs, trying to shake down the venue owner for your money and doing it all again the next day. This thing that I'm talking about is something that you can do alongside the life that you're already living. So that is really the end of the 3 parts. Happy to answer any follow-up questions on that last part, and then I'll just share the details to how you can access the guidebook and take a look at the program. Any questions? Okay, I have another question. Jackie, I told you only one question. No, go ahead.

You said only one question per section. Let's see, let's see, how can I phrase this? So you had me until you got to the point where you said That I think you said not that you should— you don't recommend turning your passion into a job.

Did you say that? I think if you are— if you love your hobby, if you love this thing, that's, that's what an amateur is. An amateur is someone who loves something. I think there's a lot of value into doing something just because you love it. What I'm saying, I'm not saying don't do it because I did it. And I think some people should do it if it's the thing that they should do. What I'm saying is, if you try to turn your— what I have experienced is people turning their passion into their job only to discover that, number one, um, they spend very little time doing the thing that they were initially passionate about because there's all these other things you have to do to make it, to make a living. To make, to get the gigs, to get the whatever. And that if— and that it's winning the lottery if you— if the thing that you love turns into the thing you do for a living. That is so rare. There's a great video by Elizabeth Gilbert that talks about this and I recognize what a blessing and privilege, and because I am privileged, I have had this opportunity to turn my passion into my job. And if I'm honest, Jackie, I would say sometimes when I look back, I might have been better off just keeping it a hobby and loving playing music. I think I might have actually made more progress as a musician if I hadn't turned it into my business. I just couldn't help myself. I couldn't do anything else in the moment. So it's, it's a both/and. You can't— your passion can be your job, and your passion can be your passion, and your job can be your job, and you can actually have a very good life, very fulfilling life doing both at the same time.

Does that make sense? Well, yeah, it seems to me that, you know, if you're in the second mountain and you still want to make money that you should be following your passion. Yeah, so to me it seems like you get to that second point and you should be able to marry the passion with the money if you still want to make money, as opposed to just doing it as a hobby.

Yes, and it's still hard, which is why, which is why we have this program that, that's coming up and You know, where I, as someone that's experienced turning my passion into my vocation and doing it in a community of people that understand the journey, that understand, you know, the hardship and the challenge involved and are there to support and encourage each other are really important. One of the things that I've said in one of the videos promoting the program is, you know, the second mountaineering is really hard to do as a DIY, do-it-yourself project. And, you know, whether it's through my program or someone else's, I think, you know, the first mountain is about roadmaps. Here's the way, follow the route, follow the signposts. Again, do what you're told, do it the way we told you, check all the boxes, take all the steps, and you'll get to the destination that we promised you. The second mountain journey, there is no ultimate destination. It's something that requires a compass. And look, and a compass— a roadmap shows you where everyone else has gone. A compass is how you navigate to where you, you want to go, a way that you can navigate your journey. And, um, I would assert that one of the things that we learn on the second mountain is that ultimately it's not about whether or not we make money from our second mountain vocation, or it's, it's about putting forth our best effort and enjoying the journey, because the journey is the only thing that we're actually entitled to. We're not entitled to the rewards that we might be seeking, financial or otherwise, even, even the results that we seek. Which is why the inner work is so important and the integrity and intention with which we pursue the vocation is so important. Does that make sense? Does it make sense to you, Jackie? Jackie's like, I want my money. I want to do what I love and I want to get paid. I gotcha. I want it all. I understand. And I can't promise you any of that. Go see Tony Robbins. He'll give you that.

Oh no, no, no, no. Not my guy.

Not my guy either. God love him, I mean, but no, not— there's no swords coming out in any of my presentations, and I'm not going to yell at you or, or make you jump up and down and dance and all that stuff. Any final questions before I just share a couple of links so that you can get your guide and check out the program? So let me just— oh, iPad, you're at the bottom of my screen. We can't hear you. You're muted. There you go.

What if the first half of your life was predetermined, specifically health-related, and now you're in a position to start over and would like to make it meaningful?

Mm. What is— your name appears as iPad. What is your name?

Oh, Catherine McCarty.

Okay, Catherine, great to have you here. It's a fantastic question, and I'm gonna, um, give an answer that might sound smart-alecky, but it's not. This is what I truly believe. I believe the entirety of our journey is predetermined. I believe in destiny. I believe that our lives, that everything is unfolding the way that destiny the logos, God, I don't care what you call it. It is unfolding the way it is going to unfold. Here's the good news: fate delivers us whatever it's delivering us in the moment. That's our situation and circumstances right now. And there's a fated moment coming up and another fated moment coming up after that. And this is all the unfolding of destiny right now. And it sounds like this is you. You have the op— you don't know what destiny has in store. You don't know what the next fated moment is, but what you have is this moment, and you can choose how to leverage your knowledge, your experiences, your connections, and the moment that you're in, and put forth your best effort to step into the possibility that you imagine and, and set for yourself. And It has been my experience that when you let go of any attachment to the results, the outcomes that are beyond your control, and just simply pay attention and do the best work you can with and for the people that you find yourselves with, you will have a very rich— I would argue even joyful, rewarding journey that will mean something. Because that's what I mean by live your legacy. It's not the, the money and monuments you leave behind. It's the difference you're making right now. Right now.

Okay.

I thank you for that question, and it's great to finally meet you this way because I know we've been colliding on LinkedIn. So great to, great to meet you. All right, we're coming— we are coming to the end of our time together. I'm going to, um drop a— well, I'll share screen and then drop the link in. What I'm going to be sharing with you— let's share screen. Let's try that again.

Oops.

Here we go. So this is the page for the offer for the Live Your Legacy program. Again, 12 weeks— I'm sorry, not 12 weeks, 5— a 5-week program that combines pre-recorded modules, do it at your own pace, live calls where you can either send in your questions or jump on the call to ask your questions, get group coaching, feedback, get your questions answered. And you can access this by clicking the link that I'm dropping into the chat right here. It is— I put a lot of time and attention into sharing as much as I possibly can about all the things that are available. This is a program that just if I were to base it on the 5 live calls— some of you have been in my group coaching programs and you know that it's basically $300 a call, so it would be like a $1,500 program just to get the group coaching. The entire program is priced at $297, so you're getting the benefit of all of the learning, do-it-yourself Travel Your Own Journey and the, the group coaching and Q&A sessions as part of this. And this journey begins on Monday. That's— I can't— is that the 14th? I believe. Cart's going to close sometime Sunday. We have a welcome call on Sunday at 4. I know that interferes with this silly little concert that has a football game on the other side of it coming up on Sunday. But that's not the centerpiece of my life right now. And if that is interesting to you, I invite you to check it out. It's enrolling now. We would love to have you join the cohort that's going to go on this journey together. If not, as soon as this call finishes processing, I'm going to put the replay link in an email along with a download link to the guidebook. And you are welcome to use this and the guidebook to take your next steps. If you know anyone that would be a great addition to the email list or to this cohort, would love to have you share the link that I just dropped in. And I think, I think that's it unless there's any final questions. It looks like Carolyn, your cat wanted to weigh in. That's normally the case, yes. Yes, I have to lock mine out because they get very jealous when I'm talking to people other than them. They claw at me and say, "What are you doing? I'm right here!" Any final questions before we hop off?

No, this was great, Scott Perry.

Nice meeting you. Very nice to meet you all.

I wish you all the very best. Very nice to meet you.

Did you do one of your famous drawings about the call? Kato, I want to see that. Will you send me a copy? Or if you post it on social media, let me, let me, uh, tag me in. I would love that. Delightful to spend all this time. You— I love, um, I love talking, obviously, but I, I also love meeting, uh, like-minded fellow travelers. So however you proceed, I wish you all the very, very best and, uh, enjoy the rest of your Wednesday.

Thank you. And you, and you.