Eczema Awareness-Not Just Skin Deep

Welcome to the Balanced Body Podcast, where Sherri Griggs, owner of Balanced Body Health and Wellness in Omaha, talks to us about health, wellness, and balancing hormones. Welcome to Balanced Body Health and Wellness Podcast with Sherri Griggs, and today we are excited to talk about Eczema Awareness Month. So if you've ever dealt with red, itchy, inflamed skin, you know that it's— that it can be more than just surface level, right?

So correct, right? All you see, it's actually a side effect or a symptom of something deeper.

Deeper, deeper than skin deep.

That's right.

I don't know if that lands, but, um, but we're going to be talking about skin conditions And, um, as well as the gut microbiome and how they might be related, as well as just other, um, other conditions to be aware of, core, core conditions that then lead to things like eczema, right?

Right. Because when you go to the dermatologist because of your skin conditions, they treat the condition, right? You go, they treat the eczema, they give you something to put on your skin for your eczema. Your psoriasis. Sometimes psoriasis will, will end up— if it's really, really bad, then they'll give you a medication to drop your immune system, to lower it, because psoriasis is autoimmunity. Um, and, and that again is treating the symptom but not the root cause.

And that's a big distinction of what your focus is, not just, not just gut health, Not just— well, I don't want to say not just hormones because there's so much that involves hormones in general. But you look at what is the root cause, try to get ahead of that, not just fixing symptoms.

Right.

I was just going to say that because it's Eczema Awareness Month, this kind of fits perfectly into how does gut health equate with different skin conditions and cancers, right?

Oh, even cancers. Yes. And, and the gut microbiome. So they call it gut-skin axis.

Gut-skin axis.

Yes. So it's kind of a— we have a feedback loop here. Okay. And it talks about how the microbiome influences your skin. That's your gut microbiome, and how it actually influences your skin and the health, and how the immune signaling and health of the skin in turn Influence the gut microbiome.

So when, when you talk about— I know we've talked about the microbiome. I think we've talked about skin microbiome, but we've definitely talked about gut biome.

We definitely talked about gut. We did have a skin podcast. We had a guest, we had an esthetician, right?

Right.

That spoke a lot about what she sees because she sees people for skin conditions and the fact that she has an awareness and shares that awareness with people. Hey, it's more than skin deep, right? There's more going on in your body that's causing this. It's not just a topical solution. It can be, right? Do a topical solution. But if you don't take care of what's causing it, it will come back.

So, so to start us off, is there a difference, or is skin microbiome similar to the gut microbiome, or are they the same?

Well, the skin, no, I mean, they're different, right? The gut microbiome, how do I say, they are similar in that they are microbiome, right? There are a certain set of bacteria and things that we have in our skin that help keep us balanced, And that the microbiome of the gut is the same. It's a certain amount, certain kinds and types of bacteria that keep that, keep balance, but they're different in that it's not the exact same degree of each bacteria or every one.

Okay. And so that's, I know that that sounds like such a, I felt dumb asking that question.

It's a good question, Don. Because you don't know. I mean, when you say microbiome and you go skin microbiome, gut microbiome, it's microbiome. Yeah, thinking, well, it's microbiome.

It's the same.

Yeah, it's the same. So let— when we look at— and I will have to look this up because I can't right, oh, um, exactly say the exact meaning, right? So it's a particular environment including the body or a Or a part of the body, okay? We depend on a vast army of microbes to stay alive, a microbiome that protects us against germs, breaks down food to release energy, and produces vitamins, okay? So we look at— it is this ecosystem of bacteria that helps us.

Okay.

To live, that helps us to stay balanced, but not necessarily the same makeup in every part of the body.

Okay, so that, that's what I was, I was assuming, and it— I always get myself into trouble assuming things like that. So then what you're saying, and I'm just going to repeat it probably, but you're saying that like the microbiome on our skin can be similar to our gut, but it'll most likely have different Different agents in them, maybe? So like, if— are they, are they interlinked completely? So if we affect one, it's going to affect the other?

It can.

It can.

Um, but it's, it's, it's— the microbiome is this bacteria, right? These good bacteria that helps us live. And the bacteria we have in our gut Will not be the exact same bacteria that's on our skin, right? Some of them are the same. Staph aureus. Let's think about Staph aureus. We all have Staph on our skin. We also have Staph in our gut.

Oh my God.

So if we have an overabundance of it on our skin, then we can more easily get infections if we get a cut and it gets into our, into our body. Right. And an overabundance of staff can also be an issue for our gut. So, let me look at this real quick, because I would say, and that usually comes right out, but of course, when I want something quickly, it's not going to be there for me to grab easily.

Oh, I see.

Unless I must have it somewhere else, I'm thinking. Okay, so looking at this, what I'm looking at is my different bacterias, um, and what they do. And for instance, okay, so we do have staph in our gut, but it can be considered a pathogen rather than something that Um, is part of our normal flora, right? So Staph aureus in our gut, that skin Staph aureus in our gut can be an opportunistic or a bad bacteria. It's okay on our skin, but it's not good for our gut. There we go.

That makes sense.

Yes, but, but we still will have Anything— there's, there's many, many things in our body and areas of our body and our microbiome that exists, but it's only if it gets out of balance that it can be an issue.

I see. Okay.

Right? Like the staph on our skin. If we get too much of it, it could be an issue.

And so when you say out of balance, like, the thing that jumps to mind, just because I've been told 100 times by doctors, make sure you finish your, um, what, not steroids, um, antibiotics, antibiotics to completion. But then it like wipes out everything good, good and bad, right?

But then the bad comes back a little bit more aggressively.

But like, it can, or it can't.

It can. So, so I'll tell you what I used to tell patients back in the '90s even. I would say you need to take all of your antibiotics because if you don't, all you're going to do Is you're going to piss off the bacteria and it's going to come back even stronger. And that's why we have so much resistance. We have so much antibiotic resistance because people didn't finish it to kill it. And what that did was allow— it weakened it, but it didn't kill it. And it allowed it to learn how to, um, change, how to morph into something that now is resistant to that, to that antibiotic. Yeah.

Yeah, so, so in that case, like in that one case, you're, you're going out of balance, but are there other ways that your gut balance goes out of whack and then affects your skin? And is that—

Oh, definitely. Yeah, so let's look at eczema. So I'm gonna cheat here because I don't have it memorized. And when I look at eczema, let's see, where was that at? It is, um, so our gut-skin axis. Um, so looking at like an atopic dermatitis, which could be— it's more going to be a rash, but it could be an eczema, right? It could be a dry skin situation. So, If this— what happens to the skin microbiota, the skin microbiome, is an increased abundance of Staph aureus and a decreased bacterial diversity, right? So, um, that there is an imbalance. We have too much Staph aureus and not enough bacterial diversity.

Hmm. And so then with that imbalance, that creates the cause or the symptom of eczema. So you gotta go back and fix the imbalance to make sure that you're fixing that?

Yes, yes, you need to fix that. So we look at— we talked about skin cancer. So there There are 1, 2, 4 things. The skin microbiota gets the Merkel-Bell polyomavirus, Fusobacterium, Trichopurula, and Staph aureus, okay? So these things are in the skin microbiota. Then, increase in certain strains of Staph aureus and decrease in skin commensals The normals, the regular, can be associated with squamous cell carcinoma or basal cell carcinoma. So, your skin getting out of balance, the microbiota out of balance, then allows these opportunistic guys like the Fusobacterium. Fusobacterium is also bad in our gut, also opportunistic.

Hmm.

To cause an issue.

And so that's one of the, that's one of the things that you were looking for when you took the gut health test for us when we first started, right? You were looking through and seeing what levels of different, um, oh my gosh, I'm probably gonna mess this up, but like the different levels of each bacteria in our gut. And, you know, as an example, mine came back and it seemed pretty balanced. It didn't have I didn't have much out of balance in my gut, but we tested just to be sure, because if that was out of balance, we need to fix it. It would make it harder to then continue on with our health journey.

Well, and that is because that gut microbiome has a lot to do with how we metabolize hormones, how we are able to absorb supplements, right? If I start out with a microbiome that is not balanced or not healthy, And then I'm trying to balance hormones and I'm trying to get your levels of, say, vitamin D to come up. It's like throwing this stuff against a wall and, and hoping it sticks, because if the microbiome is not right, then we already know we're going to have a lot more trouble getting these things to work.

Yeah.

So the skin symptoms, for instance, acne, Many times can be healed with a probiotic.

Hmm.

Not an antibiotic, not an acne wash, but a probiotic, because it's an imbalance in the microbiome. Here it says it's the Cutibacterium acne species, and probiotics may play a protective role. Okay, so to protect you, to make sure your gut is balanced. Now, I would say, if somebody had a lot of problems, a lot of skin issues, we could look at their microbiome in their gut, and would likely see an imbalance.

Now, do you treat the skin microbiome the same as the gut microbiome, or is this just, like right now, we're just talking about the gut? How about microbiome and balancing that out?

Well, skin microbiome, if we know what is affecting it for each disease process, then we know we need to get rid of it. For instance, let's just say you have a large amount of Staph aureus on your skin, and maybe an antimicrobial wash might be better for you. To lower the amount of bacteria on your skin, right? My friend, um, at Valeria Life, she actually has a machine that you can sit and she'll do a scan and it'll show you how much bad bacteria is on your skin. It'll stand out as these little dots.

Yeah.

And it can be treated. Now she treats with laser. It can be treated with products to help bring that bacteria down off of the skin, but she's also very much aware of how much the gut affects the skin, and she doesn't just treat topicals. She'll also tell people with skin conditions, you need to heal your gut.

Okay, so then that's where the link comes in, where gut And skin conditions might be linked, I see.

Yup, yup, like I look at, here are some clinical relevance talking about the skin, gut-skin axis, so bacterial metabolites, so here's short-chain fatty acids. When I saw a patient on Thursday, and she had a lot of inflammation, we checked inflammatory markers, they were all very high, She was lacking in 2 of her short-chain fatty acids. Short-chain fatty acids' effect in the gut, anti-inflammatory. Effect on the skin, anti-inflammatory.

Ooh.

So fixing her gut microbiome can fix the inflammation and all those inflammatory markers, where most people would say, well, we better treat your inflammation. Let's get you some Curcumin or something anti-inflammatory, but without fixing the gut, we're just kind of helping.

Hmm.

We're not fixing the root cause. So we need to fix her gut as well because she needs those short-chain fatty acids, which will help bring all of her inflammation down in her body. In addition, I also gave her something anti-inflammatory, some curcumin. Or actually, I gave her Inflamatone because of how inflamed she was. So not only am I taking care of the root cause, but I'm helping to take care of the symptom.

Okay, so you're hitting it from both angles.

Yeah, without giving her anti-inflammatories or something called, you know, NSAIDs, right? Naprosyn or something like that, which messes up the eye microbiome. Ibuprofen and things like, um, Naprosyn will mess up the microbiome.

Interesting.

Okay, right now, um, I mean, many times our body can take care of it. I mean, this type of one is when, you know, water— um, I think she did drink some contaminated water. It was also, also related to, you know, like farm animals and You know, food, that contamination that way. And I just, I don't recall exactly what, how, what she had gotten into, but it was many years ago. I think she had traveled. She had traveled out of the country and knew she had gotten into something and it had been severe at that point. But then just, so she never related this occasional diarrhea to that parasite still being in her body. That's true.

I see.

Was it because it was such an, uh— and what's also interesting is that this parasite is directly related to an opportunistic bacteria. They go hand in hand. Like, this parasite throws the microbiome off so much that it allows this particular opportunistic bacteria to overgrow. She had like zero microbiome. I think all but one or two Of her good guys were like zero.

Oh my gosh.

So, um, another gal, hers was, hers was also about zero, no opportunistic bacteria, but she drank, um, fermented foods, ate fermented foods, uh, did everything right, or Organic only. You name it, she did everything right. We figured out her issue was she smokes.

Oh.

And there's a direct correlation to smoking and the health of your microbiome.

Really?

Yup. And what we figured out was if she had not been eating the way she was eating, she probably would have been very symptomatic.

Wow.

And the only thing that was keeping her from being terribly symptomatic is that she was doing all this good stuff, but killing it all, ruining it all with the cigarettes. And so she's going to quit. This was even more of a reason, she said, for her to quit, um, because she was trying so hard with all of her organics and her, her farm foods, her fresh foods, her whole foods, Um, zero, um, um, what I— oh my gosh, zero products, um, manufactured foods, right? Okay. Yeah.

Like processed foods.

Zero processed foods. And like I said, all organic and doing everything right.

Oh my gosh.

And yet no microbiome.

Zeroing it out because of smoking.

Yep. And so we will fix that with a strong amount and a high amount of the microbials that were the lowest. I think she might have 2 or 3. So we want to make sure that we reinoculate because we normally need to go in and remove. But we didn't need to remove anything for her. She didn't have any bad bacteria. We just needed to reinoculate and heal and support it. So that's how we're treating that. And then she needs to stop the smoking, which we know will improve her skin, right, and improve all these things for her. But even if she stops smoking, if we did not reinoculate, Or replace this bacteria. The way she eats might do it, but there's no guarantee how quickly it could do it.

So you had said that she does like fermented foods. So is that like kombuchas or—

Kombuchas, kefir, fermented things, sauerkraut, stuff like that. Yeah.

And so is in it, in a way, is that like just a more natural way to get some of your good guys back? But then there could also be some bad guys in there too.

No, not— won't be any bad guys in there. Oh, those are good. That's gonna wait. That's gonna be the way to get— because it's a natural fermentation, that's gonna be the way to get your good guys back.

Gotcha.

Okay. And to support your good guys. So for her She may eventually not need to take a probiotic because she's replacing them with everything, with food and with foods.

So, so, um, we talked about the gut-skin axis and different, uh, biomes, both the gut and on skin, which can be slightly different or Similar depending on the body, like depending on the body or your location, or it's just a combination of the two?

What was that question again?

Do I, do I create my own microbiome because of myself, or is it like a combination of me and our circumstances and things that I'm eating? Like, will I have the same microbiome as, like, say, somebody who's living in my house, or will it be different?

It can be different because you have something to do with what's going on in your body and your microbiome. Now, we know that there have been people that have— they've completely— they, they just haven't been able to get them replaced or reinoculated, and they have been able to go in and completely kill what they have And replace it, that's when they've talked about doing these stool transplants and actually placing that, right, doing that stool transplant so that a balanced microbiome could be installed in the body to give the body a chance, and then it would continue to support it.

Mm-hmm.

So we do know that balance in the gut microbiome is similar for everyone, should be, right? So we have everybody should have X numbers of this bacteria, right, to be healthy. So we look at our Lactobacillus, right, and our Bifidobacterium. So everybody should have Bifidobacteria bifidum between 4.6 and 1,000, okay?

That seems like a wide range.

It can be, but if you're in that range, right, I mean, there can be, you know, optimal to be right down the middle, But that can change for a lot of things, right? Stress, viruses, how you're eating, if you're eating a bunch of sugar, what you're doing, right? So just because, say, the people in your household, everybody ate the exact same foods all the time, you're still different people and your bodies will respond differently.

Mm-hmm.

One person might not have enough stomach acid, and so they could get an opportunistic bacteria. Another person might have enough. Another person might have more stress, might have some autoimmunity, you know, so our bodies has a lot, our bodies have a lot to do with that, and that is why some people will have certain skin conditions that other people won't have.

Mm-hmm.

So, you look at, okay, so we look at acne, we talked about that acne species and probiotics, alopecia, wound healing, Psoriasis. This is a good one. A lot of people have psoriasis. This is an autoimmune. The higher abundance of Staphylococcus and Streptococcus. An anti-psoriasis treatment may disrupt skin microbiome. Anti-psoriasis treatment is autoimmune treatment. Lower your immunity. If we lower our immunity, and our immune system has a lot to do with our gut microbiome can mess up our skin microbiome as well because of that axis of how they go back and forth and how they affect each other.

Right.

So, you know, what it comes down to is, um, really keeping that microbiome, that gut microbiome balanced and being friendly to your skin microbiome by not stripping it. Right. Some people think that, you know, the more they wash, the better it is for the skin. We start talking then about skin barrier, right? Skin barrier and how our skin is protected. And, um, let me see. So, there are 10 times more microbiome cells on the skin than surface skin cells.

Okay.

That's 10 times more bacteria. There are more than 100 bacterial and yeast species to synthesize antimicrobial proteins that are on our skin.

Wow, that's interesting, isn't it? Yeah.

And, and we have to We have to protect that barrier, that skin barrier, and support that skin barrier to keep from having the skin issues, because that microbiome is our barrier that protects us. So, my glasses. My little skin growth factors. And it talks all about barrier repair, growth factors, cytokines, calcium, lamellar body secretin, TNF. I mean, it's just lipid synthesis all creates barrier repair. Mm-hmm. And repairing enzymes and epidermal DNA synthesis. And so, literally, it starts at the top with what you're putting on your skin. To help create that barrier that we need that can protect our skin.

Okay.

Crazy, right?

It's, it's— I mean, my brain is swimming with different possibilities and questions and circumstances, but I'll try to limit it to just like gut and skin health here. How does this relate into what you were talking about earlier, then cancers? Is it like an excess, an excess of bad, or is there a way that dealing with your gut health and your gut-skin axis, balancing them correctly, can kind of avoid some of these things?

Well, So, so that skin barrier that protects that skin, right? If that barrier is compromised, then with the skin cancers, the basal cell and the squamous cell, that was related to, um, that bad bacteria being allowed to get through our first protective layer, which is our skin barrier.

Mm-hmm.

Okay, so we see an increase in these certain strains, the strain of Staph aureus, and a decrease in the skin commensals, meaning the skin's protective microbiome. When you see that, that can be related to squamous cell and basal cell carcinoma.

Okay, I see.

So it can be very confusing when you're like, no, wait, is it the gut microbiome?

I know, I keep, I keep just trying to like— and of course this is not how anything goes, right? It's not a linear, this leads to this leads to more of this that leads to this.

Like, because there can be— but then what if this happens and that happens and it goes this way and that way? And, and it's one of those pathways, right? It's a pathway.

And then also too, just like you had said, you know, depending on what your microbiome is currently doing, if it's, you know, fully functioning or has a bad actor in there, how are you eating? How are you treating your body? Stress can come in and mess it up. Like, there's so many different avenues of things. So to not overwhelm everybody, what's—

Yeah.

You know, I, I think I know the answer to this question, but like, is data your friend in this instance, trying to test and understand where you're at so that you can take the proper steps to just, uh, balance out?

It is. So for instance, look at this. Um, so we can most likely tell what— if you have symptoms, right? Like I said, the constipation, the diarrhea, the chronic eczema, the chronic psoriasis, these types of things, to know that there's probably something wrong with the gut microbiome, right? What we can do for our skin is support that skin barrier, right? If we support that skin barrier, which is support that skin microbiota, then we can prevent that skin inflammation that is topical. There are ways to test for that. Like I said, my friend Valeria has a face— you can see on your face. And by what she sees on your face, your bacteria, bad bacteria that is spotted out, you might know, wow, this barrier has probably been compromised, right? This protective microbiota has been compromised, and we need to help support that. So one of the things like I've done here at Balanced Body Health and Wellness is I brought in a skincare line called Epionce. And Ebionce, that is, is, um, it was the company was formed by a physician that had troubles with eczema his whole life. And so he's all about skin barrier, all about skin microbiome. And when I went to that training, which there is a YouTube video I did when I was at the training, um, that was the first thing they talked about, the very first thing out of his mouth. In the teaching was about the microbiome and the skin microbiome and the sources of inflammation and how, you know, the root problem, um, multiple pathways produce changes, um, mucous membranes, the skin, you know, the ongoing environmental damage that hurts our barriers. So for them, they're all about barrier protection.

Mm-hmm.

And helping to support that barrier because we know, just like with the gut, if we support the healthy bacteria, keep that microbiome strong, then we can keep out the inflammation and the bad guys and the symptoms that the bad guys cause.

No, that's cool. So this new line, the skin Um, support or skincare? Is this something that after you take a test with you, then kind of put together a plan of attack on how to support your, your skin microbiome and what's important?

Um, I would say not necessarily because my test is looking at gut, right?

Right.

But what we can look at is somebody that comes in with inflammation or, you know, okay, we know rosacea is gonna be a gut issue, but maybe they have dry skin, or they have red skin, or they have inflammation topically, then this would be something that we know we can get it start here. If they have no other symptoms, then that doesn't necessarily mean that their gut microbiome is off balance. We obviously wanna support that, 'cause we wanna prevent that from becoming an issue. But there are other things that can mess up this skin and the skin on our body, right? Such as your sun exposure, your pollutants, um, you know, not protecting that skin. And our face tends to get— is never covered, right? We might cover our arms and our legs, and, and it's our hands and our face are never covered.

So I was just about to go down that rabbit hole of, you know, you You were talking about earlier how Valeria has a test for the face and you were pointing to the face. So is it because our faces are mostly exposed all the time?

It is.

That's where you get most of those things?

Yes, your face is exposed more than anything else. If you think about it, how often do you cover your face up?

Yeah, I mean, not very often.

No. No, and if it is, maybe you're outside, but you're inside, you're not covering it up. So, you know, and people care about how they look, so that's important to them. And she is a med spa, so I'm sure— I don't— I'm not aware of any particulars, but I'm sure there's a machine that can do the same thing for the whole body, right? That's just not her focus. She does whole body treatments, but her focus is not the skin of the whole body. Well, they do have a new machine that can look full skin cancers, look for abnormalities in the skin that can show differences in the skin. Um, Epionce does have a skin cream and skin lotion to help protect the barrier of the skin and support it, of the whole body, right? Of not just the face, but the face tends to be everyone's focus. And if you think about it, really a lot of the things like Rosacea will show up on the face, acne. Sometimes it'll show up on the back or the chest. Many times it's the face. Psoriasis and eczema don't tend to show up on the face. They tend to show up on other areas of the body. They all kind of, you know, as I'm thinking about when I worked dermatology, you know, what did I see? Here's one, alopecia. Alopecia areata, which is, which is a balding here. And they've looked at the role of an imbalance of C. acnes and S. epidermidis, right?

Mm-hmm.

So we know these are some bad guys, and there may be— this is a possible role of cytomegalovirus and/or Alternaria fungi. So we're sitting there saying that something people have always thought was just a baldness that they got, that was just normal, potentially is an imbalance of a microbiome.

Wow.

I know.

That's just— yeah, it seems overwhelming.

Dandruff is a yeast. That's why shampoos like, uh, one of the antifungals will have like Nizoral, which is antifungal. And that's dandruff, is a yeast problem. So if you think about what does yeast love, it loves sugar. So if you're somebody with dandruff, eating less sugar could potentially help that cause.

Interesting. Yeah, because we're feeding yeast. We talked about— we went in depth on sugar.

How evil sugar is.

How evil sugar is.

Yeah.

Go and listen to that one. That one's a— that one's a, uh, guffaw and a half.

Yep, go through, uh, find us on Spotify, The Balanced Body. Find us on YouTube. You know, we are out there. I've even found us on Pandora. I've had Pandora up and, and clicked to see podcasts and we're out there. So go back to that sugar one. It's easy to see. We have labels on them and to be able— Um, any of you that listen that are entrepreneurs, any of you that know anyone that's entrepreneur and has their own business, you have to watch for our next podcast, which will be with Dave Gibb of Legally Mine. And Dave will talk to us about how the courts can dissolve your LLC. How a doctor— the court did that and he lost everything.

Yeah.

All of his personal property because the court dissolved his LLC when it wasn't even— wasn't even malpractice. She fell when a door hit her. But Dave will talk to us about this, and it is— it is shocking. Um, when I heard him talk and I asked him to please be on the podcast because I have so many people I want to make sure I can tell. So, uh, you guys, this is off of our normal, the Balanced Body, but it was very important to me, and I felt that it would be very important to share this with you guys as well.

It's Balanced Body, Balanced Life, Balanced Business. So it— yeah, yeah, see how I thought ahead for that one?

And you know what, if your business is balanced and your life is balanced, you have less stress. Then you'll have a balanced body.

There you go. It's all cyclical right here. It is.

So go to our website, balancedbodymedical.com. Sign up for a free discovery call. Let's talk. I can answer questions. Um, we've got a few quizzes on the website if you wonder if your hormones are off or your gut's off, and many— some free downloads that you can get. And, uh, we'd love to hear from you.

Absolutely. And if I can just step in for 10 seconds and say that my own personal experience with Sherri analyzing what's going on in my life, helping me to make better decisions and put together a plan that step by step works for me, that's all data-based and science-based. If you're looking for that help in life, then I highly recommend just taking 10, 15 minutes to talk to Sherri and see if she's hearing what you've been dealing with in your life. You might have an idea where to go next.

Sounds great, John. Now we got to get you doing the skincare.

I know, right?

I can't wait. Yeah, well, we'll see you Thursday when we're gonna have the little facials, and you can do a little facial and Heather can tell you what you need. She's a licensed esthetician, years of experience. She's amazing.

Perfect. Can't wait.

All right, until next time.

Thanks, Sherry.

Thank you, John.

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