“It Just Changed Perspectives”: Steph Curry on KD Leaving & Warriors Future

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Welcome back. Episode 13, All the Smoke, my brethren.

Is it trece?

Ooh, these are— that was a wet one.

That was a wet one? 'Cause I got braids, so I be patting me. Still greasy as shit.

You look good, though.

Thank you. Appreciate it. Hey, trece.

And I'm excited, man. We got Stephen Curry here, man.

The chef.

Appreciate you, bro. Thank you for your time.

Reach over here.

Ah, the show.

I've been seeing you walking these LA beaches and I think Warriors fans might get nervous. I seen that boy posting pictures on the sunset with his wife. If I'm a Warrior fan, I'm like, oh shit, he's in LA.

You know what time it is though. I get a little vacation.

How's the hand feeling, man?

It's all right. It's a little different. I ain't had this one before. Surgery, a little rehab, another surgery, some more rehab, but everything should be back to 100% pretty soon. I'm just chilling.

What I tell people is they don't understand is even though the season's kind of ugly right now, you guys are resting and you haven't had no rest in 5 years. Yeah. The run you guys have been on.

You deal with your reality as it comes, right? So like game 3, when I was, you know, before I got hurt, everything was about how we just like make the playoffs and put together the young squad and all that. After coming off a crazy, You was a part of it. Crazy 5, 6-year run. So now that I got hurt, it just changed my perspective. Like, how do I come back stronger? Look at next year and figure out how we gonna get back to where we supposed to be.

Move forward. We'll touch on that a little bit later, but—

You need rest, dog.

Yeah. You need rest.

Straight up. Point blank. It was the best in disguise in my mind.

Yeah. Coming from a mid-major, did you ever think that Stephen Curry would change the face of basketball the way it's played?

What you think?

No, could you ever dream of it?

You know what I mean?

I mean, he dreamed of it.

Right.

We all dreamed of playing in the league and doing amazing stuff, but—

I never dreamed of changing the game.

That's what I'm saying. I said playing in the league. I dreamed of playing in the league.

Yeah.

Playing the way that I know how to play the game. When I was at Davidson, man, I was 6'1", 160 pounds when I got there. And I found a coach that believed in me and gave me an opportunity to just go out and hoop and learn how to learn through my mistakes. I had 13 turnovers my first game at Davidson and he didn't say nothing. He said, just keep moving, next play mentality, all that type of stuff. So I took that confidence through my college career into the league. And though I was still scrawny when I showed up back in '09 playing Nelly ball, like I knew what I was capable of and I just put the work in. I think 4 years later when I started hitting all them threes and like pushing the record book in that respect and like, you know, changing my range and just seeing the court a little different. That's when I knew this could be how I could cement myself in the league. And nobody was really like using it as a weapon like the way that I thought I could. And it's a confidence thing though. Like you put the work in, but it's a confidence thing. And yeah, now you got little kids in high school and middle school and younger just jacking up threes and parents and coaches getting— For real. —Stephen Curry. Coach the kid.

It was crazy. 'Cause I mean, we had a tournament this past weekend and you know, my boys, they've been around, like we get out there early and Isaiah's shooting from behind the three-point line before he even dribbles or anything. I'm like, bro, what are you doing? He's like, dad, I'm just getting warm. I'm like, you don't wanna start close? He's like, no, I'm good. I was like, oh.

You gotta listen to the whole story, right? 'Cause like when I, that's my pops taught me the way to work on your game. Like start in the paint, get your confidence, see how it goes, work your way out. Like I learned that from a young age. And so, Now everybody sees the finished result and they want that. Right, they don't know the process. And so the process is just lost. And so hopefully they understand that. I mean, everybody can figure it out. It just takes some time.

So not very many people, like I said, you've done, you've changed the face of the game coming from a mid-major, you know what I mean? There hasn't been too many guys that have been able to do that. You know, CJ McCollum, Dame, Morant. Tell me what that was like, was coming from you. So you weren't really highly recruited and you know, you weren't at a top college, but we started seeing you come on the scene when you, to face these big schools and to be able to take that mid-major game and really translate it and play it in the NBA is a huge credit to how hard you had to work.

Yeah, I think, like you said, coming from a mid-major, it's about who you get to play against and like that competition. Obviously our conference, we played in the Southern Conference. I bet you couldn't name 2 other schools in that conference.

No, no, no.

Like, that's just, that's part of the journey. But we, you know, Coach McKillop, who's still there, is like—

Are you still coaching there?

30th-ish year. Dope.

They moved on to the Atlantic 10, so they moved up a little bit. But in terms of like, when I was there, we played against the Dukes, the Carolinas, the NC States, came out here, played UCLA and got exposed and understood what it took to be at that level. Once we got to the tournament, what it was gonna take to win. My freshman year, I was thrown into the fire. I was playing like 37 minutes a game at the 2 spot. We had a, Another point guard, Jason Richards, who was 2 years older than me and was like our best player at the time and was like the steady guy, the steady hand. I got to learn from him. That next year, my sophomore year, kind of just took off. We had guys that knew their role. Everybody, you know, came selfless, did what they supposed to do. We were 2-6 in the first, like, what, 8 games and playing those teams I was talking about. And we took that, learned from it, put it in our back pocket, got to the tournament, and then we started beating everybody. And so— Mm-hmm. It's just a confidence thing. You gotta know like that you can play with the best. It's not, you get labeled that, you know, mid-major, D1, whatever. That's just, you know, A label. It's the history of it. It's not gonna talk about what we're about to do this year and whatever. And so you got, like you said, you know, Dame, CJ, Ja, and you can name 'em. There's guys that just want an opportunity to play and they got the talent, they got the skill, they got that killer instinct. And now, you know, more and more guys are showing it in the league too.

It's funny you mentioned confidence 'cause the 4, the 3 other guys you named besides yourself, they all carry themselves with high confidence. And I think it's kind of probably like that chip on my shoulder. Like I don't give a fuck that I came from a mid-major. I'm still a killer out here.

Exactly. When I was with the Warriors.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When you, when you came, what were we like when you, you know, in your eyes, what were we like when you came there?

Before when I got there?

When you got drafted? Yeah. When you got drafted, what was crazy?

I didn't know much about that specific team. I knew about you. I knew about Monte and I knew about Andris.

That's it.

Corey Maggette too. Yeah. I knew about y'all four. I forgot Corey was there. Yeah, Corey was there. So I knew about y'all four. I mean, I watched, was it two years before?

Mm-hmm.

All you and Matt and the We Believe situation. I knew how like that pride around, if you said that word, those two words together, like people would just be like, yeah, like demon, right? Especially in Oakland. So I knew about that, but I kind of, When I got drafted, it was kind of funny thinking back. I wanted to go to New York and thought I was going to New York. I was in the draft in the green room, like, oh, get to the 8th spot, New York will get me. And I got the call from Larry Riley, like, all right, we're gonna pick you in the 7th spot.

Was it dry?

A little bit.

'Cause him and Don Nelson, they straight to it. 'Cause I remember when Nelly cut me.

They ain't sugarcoating.

They ain't, she straight to it. Straight to it. You don't wanna be here. I'm gonna send you to Charlotte. All right. Stay in touch, kid.

To the point.

I just opened my room. I'm half asleep. That's all I get.

That's it. No, I knew like it was coming off of like a restructure where we believe was a lot. And then the guys were going elsewhere and playing. So, I mean, I knew we weren't gonna be that good, but I got to, you know, work my way into the starting lineup and all that. And as a rookie, it's kind of hard when you don't know what you don't know. But you just work on, worried about just hooping and playing and being around guys. The one thing that made me most comfortable was our guy, Anthony Morrow, who I grew up in Charlotte with him. And when I got drafted and I knew he was, he had played the previous year, was gonna try to make his way back onto the team. Like that made me just hype. I know somebody I grew up with, I used to play with in high school. I followed his journey. Like let me get close to him and enjoy this ride and learn, you know, as I went through.

I was kind of upset with you though. 'Cause why you couldn't pull me to the side and tell me this was gonna be the outcome?

I was gonna say, 'cause I heard Jack talk about—

Why you couldn't put me like, OG, don't get traded. I got something in store for you.

Give me some time.

I say, you gonna be seeing this a lot. They gonna be making songs about me and all kind of shit. Just stay calm. I wish you could've pulled me to the side, bro.

I heard Jack tell that story because, you know, he's like, I left. He's like, I just didn't know Steph was gonna be Steph. So was Jack like an asshole back then? 'Cause Jack was an asshole if he didn't really know you and fuck with you.

Jack was an asshole, but he, —when you with him and he—

I wish.

Oh, he was gonna ride with me. There's no question. I think I had that—

But he's still an asshole. But yeah.

But you need that, right? You need that.

That was funny to me 'cause I heard him tell the story. He's like, man, I wish I would just would've known Steph was gonna be Steph.

I might just—

Oh my goodness. I would've chilled.

So my favorite— Bling, bling, bling. I got my favorite Stack story. It's probably like 2 weeks before you got traded. And we were on a road trip in Indiana and we went, it was like 7 of us went to, I think it was steakhouse right down the street from the hotel. The day before, somebody had started like rumblings about your trade rumors and, you know, this and that. And you were unhappy and like people in the locker room unhappy and like media taking over, doing what they do. And I remember sitting at the dinner table and you called up this reporter and cussed him out so bad for writing some untruthful article. I'm sitting there like— [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] This how we do, okay, this how we do it.

That's what the NBA was like, right?

We didn't have a show then, so I didn't have an outlet, dude. I couldn't control the narrative, so I had to call the motherfucker, bro.

Hey, Steph's like, this how the NBA works. If you don't like what, like I have to cuss like that at one point too?

I was crying. But that just told me like, when he know what he know and he's passionate about something, he gonna let you know. So that was one of my favorite memories, man.

That's classic.

What was playing with Monte like?

Man, it was exciting. I think the hard part of how people kind of see us was they talk about, first thing they talk about with me and him is what he said at training camp my rookie year.

Yeah, y'all couldn't play together.

The two young guards can't play together and this and that. And that was kind of how our relationship started. But he, the way that his talent and just the way that he had that mindset, like no matter what was going on with the team, like, give me the ball, I'm about to go get y'all a bucket.

We know. And he did. He did. We did know.

He was unbelievable. And I think, you know, Monta don't get enough credit in terms of just his journey, you know, coming from high school and y'all know him when he was like young. I got the, I got the, the, the vet version, but—

You got the seasoned Monta.

He had a lot thrown on him as a young guy from a leadership perspective, you know, with this team that didn't really have an identity. They had expectations of what y'all left, you know, with the We Believe team and all that. And, and you know, nobody's perfect. I'm not perfect in the sense of like anything, but when he called me my second year, I was playing terrible for like 2 weeks straight. And he called me after practice one day and, and just kind of gave me some good words of encouragement. And like, nobody, you don't have to do that.

Yeah, real.

Nobody has to do that.

Yeah.

Especially with, To people trying to have y'all in competition.

Right, like there's a threat between both of us and this and that and the storylines and all that. Like he didn't care. It was just about like, how can we hoop and get better together and get to know each other? He called me out the blue. That's what's up. And was like, yo, just lemme know, like you feeling pressure? You like, you dealing with expectations? I'm doing the same stuff. Like, and we couldn't be further different from our journeys to get to the league. But you know, that was a good connection. Common thread, right? Like that's why I was, I love Monte for that. Yeah, shout out Monte. And that's why I wanted to rep. I think I got, I rep the, with the jerseys last year. I wore it to Oracle. Like I had to make sure they knew how much I appreciated him for sure.

Young Tony, Mississippi Bullet, right? Mississippi Bullet. Tell me what it was like building with Klay and then Draymond coming along because you guys are kind of like the core, the three amigos of what started it and how you guys were homegrown through the draft.

I mean, it's a different story than like today's league, right? But it was wild to think with when they traded Montaé after, you know, during Klay's rookie year. And that was kind of the sign that we were moving into the future. And Draymond comes in, second round pick, the steal of the draft.

Did you know him before that?

No, I didn't know Draymond.

Untamed gorilla, he came out just, Biting, just—

Wow.

Just hungry, dog.

But I don't know if y'all remember, so like that first, that there, Klay's second year, Draymond's rookie year, we were playing against Denver in the first round of playoffs. And you know, David Lee, one of our guys, he gets hurt in the first game. And it was like the perfect opportunity for Draymond to showcase just what he's about as a winner, right? Like his Michigan State, you know, journey, obviously shout out to him, just got his jersey retired.

Shout out Draymond for that, for sure.

It was always that line, like, Draymond's a guy that nothing's gonna show up on the stat sheet, but he gonna make winning plays and he is gonna show if you— he gonna pass the eye test every single time. And for a rookie to step in like that with that confidence and, you know, your first playoff experience and make a difference.

Says a lot.

As a vet goes, you know, goes down, like, the rest was history after that. And we just took that experience. Obviously, Klay, he's just so one of a kind, man. Yeah. Low maintenance, low key, can blend in with anybody. Cool as a fan. Knows his role, is competitive as hell, just, and he can shoot. Like, he has the whole package in terms of just how he's helped us win championships. And I know he gonna come back strong after this ACL situation. But for us to be the young guys at one point—

Now you're the oldest player on the team, right?

I'm the oldest player on the team.

You 32?

Draymond's, I'll be 32 next, in a couple months. Draymond, Klay, we got, you know, hopefully a good 3, 4-year window to go back at it together. Like, it's crazy to think about for sure.

Are you and Klay the best shooting combo ever?

I know you don't like to talk about it.

For sure. Goddamn, you better say that. I'd be mad if you didn't say something. I'd wait until the show, like, bro, next time somebody asks the question, you better fuck yeah, we are.

I love it.

Yeah, I believe it. Everybody better believe it.

For sure. Mark, what was it? Mark Jackson said that. That same year. Early. Yeah, early. He was an early champion of it. But yeah, I mean, we still, it was like, thing, we still got more to accomplish.

I got a lot to do, yeah.

But definitely.

But I've seen, you know, playing, getting a chance to play with you guys in the '17 season, always competing against you. When I see you guys in practice and how hard you shoot and the workouts you go through and you guys really don't miss, like you guys are real live shoes. I tell when people, like, when I say like, That shot was lucky Steph took. I was like, nah, Steph's practiced that shot every single day after practice. Like, tell me what that's— like you said, you mentioned it earlier, like people only see the finished 3-point mad range process, but you, some of the workouts you and KD were doing, and then Klay was on his court doing his thing. Like it was some of the most unbelievable shit I've ever seen.

When you're around greatness like that, it just continues to motivate you and encourage you. 'Cause you don't want to be the dude that's not continuing to get better. And so like we all push each other, whether we talked about it or not. It's just like a presence thing. Like when KD walks on the court, when I walk on the court, Klay walks on the court, Draymond with, you know, with his mindset and his passion, like it's just contagious. And everybody kind of just wants to one-up the ante a little bit. And so like you said it with Klay, we don't even shoot together really that often. We're on the same court, opposite goals, but you can feel it.

But y'all pull it off.

You can feel the energy looking at each other. No, no, I seen you guys. Like I went there and I was someone who always just shot after practice, but there's a whole line to fucking shoot after practice in Golden State. Like everyone, Andre had his court, Dre had his court, you and KD had a court, Klay had a court, but it was amazing because even though you guys were in your own rhythm and motion, I can sense that you're kind of still, you know what I mean? Like you said, you wanna improve and you wanna look, okay, well shit, Klay just rilled off this many. I wanna make, you know what I mean? So it was dope to just sit back and see, you know, the finished product is championships, but the preparation was amazing to watch.

Iced the Nets when they finished.

Insane. Eric Cousin, he had us with some ice. But nah, shout out E.

Shout out E. Oh my God, man.

We gotta have E on, man. We gotta have E on.

That would be an amazing episode.

I love E.

He has some stories.

He's a man. Shout out Eric Howzen, man. What is he still the head equipment or is he resonated?

No, his title's changed.

Okay.

He deserves whatever he got. He's in charge of everything.

Shout out E, man. One of the best equipment guys ever. I can call E right now and get anything I need. Great dude.

From any team though, not just the Warriors. I feel you. He know somebody at every team that he got a plug with.

He is, he's a special one, man.

Learning shooting from your dad early on, you know, you've seen me and you've been great to my kids. I wanna bring 'em around and have that experience. Being in your dad's shadow early on and learning shooting early on, is that what kinda got you into the game, obviously? For sure.

I mean, just anytime you watch your pops do something, if y'all have a relationship, blessed that I got to be, to see it, you know, when I was like 6 or 7, or he retired when I was 13. So for the majority of his career, I got to watch and my brother did too. You just, you gotta love the game yourself, but just being around and watching it and you pick up stuff. It just made me wanna work harder. When I was 13, I decided I was just gonna play only basketball. I got rid of the other sports, like that work ethic and just how to like be a true professional in the sense of every day there's something that you can, you can pick up. I used to not only watch him, but all his teammates, same way your kids now. It's such a cool and unbelievable experience to think back, like what all the things that I did see. And who you were around.

Yeah. Helped me to get there. So. Just real quick. Yeah.

My pops was never like the guy that was like, we gonna go to the gym right now. We gonna work out. And like, he always made sure me and my brother wanted it for ourselves. He's gonna help provide, you know, opportunities and give us anything if we asked him questions. But it was never like that drill sergeant type. Like, you gotta do this. You gotta do that.

That ain't your dad though.

Yeah.

His personality ain't drill, so he laid back. Yeah.

Cooler than a fan.

Now that was a cool thing being with this team. But you know, my last handful of years in the league, I went from, you know, Chris Paul, Blake, and DeAndre, Actually, they got tripped right before that. They were around Kobe in the locker room, around Lob City in the locker room. And then I came to you guys and Coach Kerr was amazing, you know, as far as just allowing access to families and the organization taking care of everything you need. So you just focus on basketball, but I was bringing the twins, you know, on the team planes.

Weren't they ball boys one trip?

Ball boys.

In San Antonio or something like that?

Remember they shot, they were shooting with you guys. We were in the Eastern or Western Conference Finals against Houston. And they were over there shooting on the court during practice with you guys. Like this kind of shit that like you can't make up, you know what I mean? And I wanted to, it's cool that you remember that and hold on to that. Hold on to that because that's the kind of experience I was trying to give them. Like you were around Stephen Curry, KD, Klay, Draymond, Kobe. I mean, you soak that up like a sponge as a child. And it's something that it's dope that you recall it now because that's what I was trying to build for my kids. I know that you hang out with that.

It shapes your perspective too. And obviously as a dad, that can go the opposite way where you get a sense of entitlement because you have access to all this stuff. But knowing you, knowing my dad, like, they weren't gonna let that happen. No. Klay is the same way, like with Michael, like you can, you know, show your kids these cool experiences and let them meet amazing people and have them around. Cause you wanna share that with them. But it's also on the back end. Like my pops always said, you gonna work for whatever you got. Nothing's gonna be given to you. And that was a message that he made sure, he say he's cool as a fan, but he makes sure I knew that part. Like you gonna work for whatever you got, just like he did coming up. No matter who your parents are at the end of the day, like you gotta figure it out for yourself. Yourself.

So that's what's up.

You had Mark Jackson and you transitioned to Stephen Curry. Talk about that.

Mark, well, they're very similar in the sense that they're super competitive and they, they both obviously come from their playing backgrounds where they know what it's like to be a player. They know whatever, what you go through on a daily basis. They know how to communicate. They know, you know, just the little touch points that you need to have. Having been in our shoes.

Only a player would know.

Only a player would know. Right. So the biggest difference is for Mark, we were young and we were unproven and he had to create an identity and create an edge for us that, you know, gave us the confidence to walk on the floor and say, we can beat any team any given night. And he's an unbelievable motivator in terms of just the way that he can, you know, articulate himself and give you some type of fuel on a nightly basis. Like he would come in the locker room, And he wouldn't, we talked about X's and O's and game plans, but then he spent like 5 minutes just talking about life and like the perspective of, you know, how much, you know, what makes us all different while we're all in the locker room together. When we about to go out here on the, and he'd bring it around in some like, you know, pretty funny, serious sometimes story that just made you like your blood start boiling. Like, all right. Oh, we got a game tonight too. Let's go. Like, let's go. What's up? For young guys, like we were at the time, like we needed all that edge and that competitiveness and that, and a guy that would go to war for you in the media and the locker room. Sometimes it was to a detriment a little bit for upstairs. Like we were all just, we were just grinding, trying to get to that next level. And he helped us. He helped us get there. There's no secret. I didn't want him fired when it went down.

Right.

You know, with Bob Myers and Joe Lacob and Peter Guber, they wanted to make a decision and they brought in Steve. And my whole point was like, if you fire Coach Kerr, I mean, fire Coach Jackson, you just gotta get the next hire right. Because we're in a position now where we can take that next hire.

Yeah.

You can't mess it up. And obviously they got it right. Definitely got it right. You know, Coach Curry is, he's special, man. Like he's wise, you know, just in terms of, you know, how to manage people.

Yeah.

Right? Like that's a big thing in the league. No matter if it's the first guy, the 15th guy, you gotta be able to be honest, be able to set expectations and figure out, you know, ways to get the best out of guys. And I think anybody that would play for him would tell you, you always know like where you're at.

Mm-hmm.

Like you always know if you, if you get a couple of DNPs, he's going to tell you why he's going to keep you engaged. He's not just going to walk by and not say nothing. And we've had experiences like that across the board. And I think that's the biggest thing for long-term success. Like, you know who your best players are, you know that they're going to go out and do what they need to do every night, You know, the role players and the guys that are gonna help you throughout the regular season and have those spot moments during playoffs that's gonna make a difference. Like they gotta be engaged all year long. And it starts in the summertime, the training camp and all the way through. And Coach is the best at just being able to paint a picture of how you're gonna help this team. And it being real, like you feel that care factor that he brings. And it's been an amazing journey. He's obviously had the best 5-year run of a coach in history.

He's a great motivator too. I won a championship with him when I was with the Spurs. And I remember I used to come out the game a lot, you know, when Pop used to pull me for making the mistakes. And I remember in the Finals, you know, I didn't start Game 6 off well at all. And Pop kept pulling me, but he kept coming to me like, "You gonna make some big shots, I guarantee you." And he kept telling me that. And, you know, I guess— Pop Kerrwood?

Stephen Curry. Or Steve Kerrwood?

And I wasn't, you know, I was in a funk, so I really wasn't hearing him. I ended up making 3 big threes in the championship game to win the championship. So he's one of them guys that he's so educated, so smart about the game that he can see shit that you don't even see.

100%. And the cool thing about it too is he's had every seat in almost in—

Yes. And won at every seat.

Right? Like— Exactly.

For real.

So you're talking about like Chicago to San Antonio, winning championships to being the GM of the Phoenix Suns and seeing what it's like to really manage a roster. And then you go, he's an analyst where he gets to just see the game and talk to people and just be connected in the league. Then he's a head coach and it's like, he's got it. So this year is actually interesting because we obviously have a, you know, a young team and trying to figure it out and it's testing him in different ways that over the last 5 years he hasn't been tested. Tested. And I mean, he's handling it, man. It's obviously our record is not great, but all the young guys, when you ask them like, how you guys like Coach Kerr? Like, you hear what they have to say about him and how they make him feel like amidst the struggles that they're going through. It's, that says a lot.

He don't have a problem with the flower either, I don't think.

Nah, he's someone that enjoys the flower. I think he enjoys the— well, I remember when I was playing, he had the spine stuff, right?

Yeah.

So I remember that's when he was kind of dabbling in the CBD space. Cause it was sad. I remember, Stephen Curry was hurt in the playoffs too. He couldn't sit, like if he could sit for 2 minutes, then he'd have to lay, then he'd have to walk around. Then he would try to sit, like his pain was enormously through the roof. So it was one time, it's kind of awkward though, because head coach and player, current, this is my last season, you know, not knowing, but it was my last season. I was just like, you know, do you smoke? Do you take CBD? I mean, I'm asking my coach that just because I'm seeing like the, how uncomfortable and how in pain he is. And he, you know, I've tried this and I've tried that. And it was just hard because he's such a good guy, but he was really going through some shit with that. That spinal stuff he was going through.

It was crazy.

How long did it take for you guys to bond? You know what I mean? Like I said, you were a big advocate for Mark Jackson. You didn't want him fired, but you were persistent on making sure it's the right hire. Once you kind of realized that he was the right hire, how long did it take you guys to bond?

I'd say that first year, like leading up to the Christmas game, that's probably the point where I got comfortable understanding you know, how I was gonna help or how I was gonna take advantage of the system that he put in place. Cause it was drastically different than Coach Jackson. So we always laughed, he, you know, talk about ball movement, you know, player movement, you know, just making the right open pass, keep the ball moving. Something's gonna lead to a good shot at some point. And we had certain like reads and calls, very similar to Spurs system. Yep. And he always say like, you know, this is pretty intuitive what we're trying to do. But you know, we just gotta get the fundamentals and the foundations of it for this year. And then next year, you know, when we really got it and everybody understands where to be and when, you know, the timing of everything, like we really gonna take off. But it was like funny because that first year we won the championship and every day it was about just keeping things simple. Right. And as a point guard, that's, That's a, I love that. Love it. 'Cause my game, I try to keep things simple. Like take the first open shot.

Your handles ain't simple. Far from it. Your handles are not simple.

Beyond that, if it's, if you open from 30, shoot it. If not, move it, get off, get off the ball, get out the way. Somebody else make a play. We obviously, we were blessed with a lot of different playmakers. You know, you got myself, Shawn, Andre, Draymond, from the top of key play. We had bigs that could pass with Bogut. And all that. So like it worked because of our personnel, but that's just a fun way to play basketball. And it's obviously proved success. But when you know, like everybody feels involved and like they know who to get the ball to if they need to, but they all touch. Everybody touches, everybody looking at the rim being a threat. Don't nobody know who about to shoot.

Right. And that's what makes you so dangerous.

Yeah.

Cause everyone is one. Cause I caught both ends of you guys obviously kind of, we were, I wouldn't even say big brother, but what kind of you are the Lob City team was kind of your battle and your barometer from the time we beat you guys until you guys went in the championship next year. So we saw the Mark Jackson building that foundation. And I'd be like, oh, these young motherfuckers about to be nice. And Draymond, cause I remember we had CP and he was the guy and Draymond was like, fuck that. I'm taking Stephen Curry every single night. And he was doing some fucked up shit to our team. Like stepping on Chris's shoe, making him fall and hit jumpers.

Yeah, I saw that.

He stepped on his shoe. And then the one time in Golden State where you went in between our, the whole team at the free throw came out and turn around turnaround shot. And then when Kerr was like— and he made it— there was probably one of the most unbelievable shots. He— I don't even— you dribbled around, down, freaked the line back, turn around fade, 3-pointer, like all kinds of crazy dribbling in between. Now I'm just like, this dude's a man. Like, you can't do nothing with him. That was a dope series. That series was so much energy. But that's when we knew— like, I knew, being a basketball mind, I was like, these motherfuckers got next, and it's gonna be next for a minute. And it was amazing. Like I said, we were still competitive, and wanted to kick your guys' asses, but we can see what you guys are building and how special you guys were. That last year, I mean, that series, I think, was when all the Sterling shit happened. That was Sterling stuff, yeah. That was the Sterling shit that happened.

It was kind of crazy, like, you talk about two teams that, let's just be honest, they hated each other. And there's a lot of animosity and history and all that. Get into a 7-game series, then you got all the other NBA drama going on. And we're like having conversations in the back, like, hey, alright, if they don't make the race, like, what we gonna do? We gonna protest? We gonna— and walk off the court.

What you would've done if they would've decided not to play?

We had conversations like if they would've done the wrong thing in terms of not kicking him out the league and having a lifetime ban or whatever, there was talks about us going to jump ball, let the jump ball, we all shake hands and just walk off the floor.

That would've been so hard.

Part of me, I ain't gonna lie. Ooh, that would've been so dope.

Part of me—

That would've been crazy.

I did it anyway.

When you think about his place in history and what it would've been, right? That shit would've been dope as hell. That would've been awesome. Man.

That was a crazy series. That definitely, like, we lost and we was sitting there watching on the next round, but it definitely helped us.

But I think too, and I can say this because I think people know, like, it was a perfect sign of we had the most talent in the NBA. They were a young team that had a ton of talent too. But what set them aside is they really fucked with each other.

Yeah.

And their chemistry made them better than us. You know, even though at the time we were older, bigger, stronger, we had more talent, we should've probably won a Finals, like, you could tell this team was up and coming, but they really, they put, from the outside looking in, once I got there and I saw the whole situation with KD and how you guys really put your game, your egos, everything to the side, but from the outside looking in early on, I'm like, these guys just wanna win. They don't care who scores, what's going on. Like, they're just out here playing basketball, laughing, jumping, and having a good time. And those are scary teams.

That's part of our DNA, man. And I think that's why it worked. Cause if you have that much talent and you stress out about whatever, like somebody else's success, or if you getting yours and all that, like you gotta set that foundation early before it gets out of hand. And that's why we accomplished what we did, man.

Winning the championship is always good. You got a couple of them motherfuckers.

3?

Yeah.

Is it a favorite one?

The first one for sure. First one's the favorite.

Just— Why?

'Cause you don't know what, like what it takes to get there until you actually accomplish it. And it's just a whole nother level of freedom after that. Like you got one.

Yeah.

Like we can get greedy now, but the stress of trying to get that one.

It's the first one.

That first one. Like even that's a stressful time. Like even, I mean, you playing Bron and obviously they had injuries and whatnot, but just like the, just the grind, 82 games. You gotta be locked in every night.

Plus 16.

Plus 16 wins. We took us 21 or 22, whatever it was to get there. And you know how intense playoff games are, man.

Each round.

It's like, it's so hard to put into words, but when you finally hear the horn sound, we in Cleveland like celebrating, changes off like, all right, this, who knows what's about to happen from here.

You know what was dope when they went back and played next year?

Jay Montay smelled that. You said it. He said it. Oh yeah.

Zach will still smell like champagne.

Zach got a little bit of asshole shit talking in him, but he just covers it up with the good image. Yeah. But that shit was slick as fuck. Like, I was just like, oh, he's an asshole. That shit was funny as a motherfucker, boy. That was dope. You had, I mean, you had 3 championships, you know, the 2 losses.

Yeah.

One of the, like, you know, how close you were to possibly winning 4 or 5 without injury last season. Like, tell me what that's like.

I just love being in that conversation, man. Every year, if you in the finals, like, As crazy as it sounds, not many people get that experience. You know, some all-time greats— Never touched it. Never played in the Finals or never won. And so, like, I— there's a sense of gratitude for that. Obviously, as a competitor, it sucks when you lose. Like, everybody knows that. '16 was hard. '16 was, you know, just an up-and-down, crazy, you know, playoff run. Obviously, 7-3-9. Then we get into the playoffs, I get hurt, miss like 3 weeks of the playoffs, come back. We get to Western Conference Finals, we're down 3-1. Like people think our season's over with, come back. So we were on both sides of a 3-1 situation. And then the finals, obviously, you know, I think the wheels just fell off and Kyrie and LeBron played unbelievable for 3 straight games. Like, I don't think people talk about that part of it as much as always like, oh, we all sucked. What did you do?

Nah, they was on one. They was on one.

We got beat, we didn't lose, we got beat.

Right.

So part of it is, is just like each story is, each year has a different like narrative and experience. And I look back, like I appreciate each and every one of them because one, you remember who you went to war with and you know, those wins were special, but even the losses, like you gotta put into perspective, man, we were in the finals, like bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

You lost two great players too.

Yeah, it was a fight. Like I think at the end of the day, when we all, you know, hosting our own podcast down, like, and I look across the room and I see Bron and Kyrie and Kawhi and Kyle Lowry. Like, I'm like, yo, that was fun as hell, bro.

That's crazy, right?

Like, y'all meet us.

Let that stay away as long as possible. Enjoy this shit. Cause it goes by like this. You touched on it real quick. And I think what gets lost in the shuffle is that '73 and '9 season. Like, what was that like knowing that you guys were—

Some Xbox shit.

Crazy.

Simulate the season. Simulate, simulate.

Throughout, you hear Pippen talking a little bit. Former Bulls talking and they're not gonna be able to do it. And you guys went 73-9 and, but then you hear, but what, they didn't win the champ. Like, you know, I think what gets lost is you guys lost 9 games in one, that's incredible.

That's unbelievable though.

What was that? What was the regular season? And that drained you guys. People don't understand that's a mental drain too.

Absolutely.

It's not just a physical drain. What's that mental drain like?

So I think it started in the summer between, so we won the championship in '15, offseason happens and all we hear all year is we got lucky, right? That's all, literally all we hear is Cleveland was hurt. Mike Conley was hurt. Whatever the narrative was. And we don't care. We won a championship. So all we wanna do coming in next year is like, you know, let them know who— Just prove it. Validate, right? We start off 24-0. Ooh. So like that part of it alone was like, that was—

That's it. I forgot about that part.

Yeah, that part was the craziest thing in the world just 'cause we had OD confidence. We had chemistry, like you said. And like the chains was off. We were just like, let's just go, let's just go win every single game. And, you know, to go 24-0, like the intensity of that to start a season is— it was worth it, but it was a lot. And, you know, the, the, just the chase down the stretch. Every game was like the finals.

And— We would've been celebrating right there. That'd have been enough for us. Champagne, 24-0. Let's go, baby.

Short term, short term goals.

Everybody's like, do we regret going after 73 wins because we may have flamed out in the last 3 games? In the Finals. No, like, that was an amazing accomplishment. We knew we could do that and go, you know, win another ring, and we were right there, obviously. So, uh, it is bittersweet. You look at the banner and it says 73-9, most wins in the league, and it does remind you, right, of the Finals. But everybody thought 72-9 was untouchable, and we got it. So that's the beauty of the league, like, it just keeps getting better and better. So So we'll see.

Tell me your thoughts on, because today is such a, you know, join another team or big trade, but the root of your team was through the draft. And then that positioned you to be able to pick up KD in free agency. Tell me about that whole process.

I mean, I'm not the best one to ask. I've been with the same team for 11 years, but it's like the landscape is different, right? There's a lot more player movement, player freedom. And that's a great thing to have where, you know, you can control your own destiny in a sense. Like, there's been plenty of teams that have thought that, you know, their big 2, big 3 was gonna get it done, but it didn't happen. Right. And you gotta take a shot at it. You gotta go after, every year is precious. We all know that. And so I love the, I guess you call it the suspense of it. Like every summer, like, all right, how drastic is the league differently? Is the league gonna look next year? And this summer was crazy.

Mm-hmm.

And it's gonna get even crazier as we go through. There is something pure about, like you said, me, Klay, Draymond setting the tone and building an identity for a team that then made it make sense for KD to be, you know, be in a situation where he wants to join. Like, it's like he knows what we're about and he could take us to another level. And so to be able to build that the way we did and have the memories that we do and then now be on the other side of it and say, okay, keep that same identity, that same, you know, championship mentality. Let's go for another window. Playing against teams that's gonna be shuffling and doing a lot of, you know, changing throughout the summer. So it's fun to watch. I know for NBA fans, it's gonna be amazing.

It's a year round. That's what continues to make the thing, the business grow.

Hopefully I can, I don't wanna move nowhere. So hopefully you don't have to worry about that.

The Bay is good, man. The Bay is good.

I love it. The beach is down here.

It is nice, but the Bay is good. It's different. Tell me what it was like when it finally happened. When you guys signed KD? Was there a back and forth talk? Did you know? Were you a part of it? Like, tell me what it was like when you landed him.

Yeah, we went out there to the Hamptons and we met with him. And part of it was, again, kind of what I just said, like, we knew who we were as a unit and knew what kind of person he was. And obviously his skillset is unmatched. And so it makes sense. Let's go get this dude. A lot of people were talking about me coming off the MVP year and the sacrifice and all that type of stuff. It's about winning. Like, obviously that does go through your mind. Like, oh, I might not have 22 shots this year. I might be like 19 and some change and play a different style. But for the most part, it wasn't really that drastic of a change. You know, we know how we gonna get our shots and everybody has a different style. Nobody really stepped on each other's toes. And so it made sense. I didn't know until he called me the morning of his decision. I was in Hawaii actually. So the time difference was all messed up. I was asleep and I woke up to like, 78 text messages and calls like, yo.

Right, like, goddamn.

And he was, you know, I hit him back and just, that was the start of 3 great years that we'll remember for a very long time. And all the stuff that happened last year and obviously the unfortunate injuries and all that type of stuff is a tough ending to an amazing time period, you know, being for the Warriors. But man, we got 2 chips, almost got 3. Right. Like, it's a hell of a run.

Tell me what it was like, because like I said, you guys had your identity and knew who you were as a ball club and knew each other like the back of your hand. Tell me what kind of sacrifice it took from, you know, like you said, you were coming off a, you had the unanimous MVP the previous year, right? First time in history. Klay is being Klay, Draymond's a fucking dog. So tell me what it was like when you get someone of his caliber and then how everyone,— and it seemed— I wasn't there at the beginning. I got a taste of it, but it's seamless from the beginning. Like everyone checked their egos and checked, you know, the most important thing was winning.

Yeah. The egos were checked for sure. I say that, but at the end of the day, we all gotta keep our egos.

Yeah, right. That's what we feel.

It makes us who we are. If we all have our best version of ourselves, like, yeah, we can—

Selfless maybe is a better word.

That's a good— yeah. I like that. So that was known from the jump. On the court, like X's and O's and just the style. I said it wasn't a big adjustment for me, but I had to make the biggest adjustment in terms of, you know, Draymond was such an amazing playmaker and we had an offense where we could get him the ball and guys were just moving around, setting screens for each other. Somebody's gonna get open and he was gonna make the pass. K can play in that style. He can also just get the ball anywhere he wants to.

Do what he wants.

And one-on-one and good luck stopping him. Get outta the way. Time. Klay, same thing. All he needs is this much daylight and he's so good.

Not even that much.

Yeah, it's true. He's so good moving out the ball. All he needs is a touch and he's going up. My pick and roll stuff, which I was kind of the bread and butter of, you know, the 2 years prior and MVP years and all that. It wasn't that many opportunities because that was like the 4th option in terms of, you know, us getting a good shot. Cause we all threats on the floor. And so that first, like, 2, 3 months, it was just a subtle adjustment in terms of, for me, just knowing, you know, when I was gonna be able to dominate in certain stretches of the game and like how we could balance all of that. And once we figured that out, we had a good run. K got hurt actually, I think like February.

That's when I came.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is a crazy story. 'Cause 2 guys got jerseys for like a half year.

That was crazy, right? People didn't even know that. Yeah, it was crazy.

Thankfully we got the right guy.

And we went on a little run when you came. K was out and that helped everybody understand like this system's gonna work. K is gonna come back healthy. We're gonna hit the ground running for the playoffs. And we went 16-1 in the playoffs and won. So just a collection of guys that just wanted to hoop and play basketball at the highest level and didn't care how it was gonna get done. We were just gonna make it happen. And we did.

I, like I said, I was blessed to be able to come in and watch you guys and be a part of that. But what I saw from the outside looking in is when I got a chance to be on the inside. And then after I was on the outside again, did you guys ever feel, actually speak for yourself. It always seemed like the media tried to make it KD and the Warriors. Did you guys feel that?

Definitely felt that. And that was, I mean, anytime you have greatness, they're gonna try to break it down. One way to try to split it. Find some way to, to just get their foot in the door. So yeah, it was always like the draft, the drafted guys, plus, you know, the hired assassin KD. Oh, unfair, whatever.

It was never this. It was always the Warriors and KD.

I mean, as unfortunate as that narrative is, it couldn't have been further from the truth of how we— How you guys felt, right? So like, that's the hard part. When you, when you're at the top, like it's a daily reminder. You have to come in with the right perspective. 'Cause if one person slips or, one rumor narrative cements itself in your head. Like we were on spotlight all the time, man. Like I don't think people appreciate that part of it. Like our lives were on spotlight every single day.

Well, it was crazy too because when I came in, like you said, we went on a cool little run and like, not because of me, it was just because of what that team was.

We know that.

Right.

Obvious.

Fuck. Obvious.

Is a pig pussy pork? That came out wrong.

Is a pig pussy pork?

You had nothing to do with it. Get outta here.

The record was good though. What I meant to say was—

Way to not contribute.

In the playoffs, I didn't do shit. That's why I don't even count that championship ring. We'll get into that later. But I appreciate the free ride. What I meant to say was we went on a hell of a run when KD was out, but you would hear those rumors like, "Look how good they're doing without him." And I'm just like, "Damn, people really talk like this not knowing." Are you done laughing?

I'm listening.

Appreciate it. People not knowing like how good he is, but like they say, they'll see the team doing what they're doing and, you know, staying on that consistent pace and you start start hearing like, oh, well, they don't even need— and I'm just like, that's insane. Like, do you not realize how fucking good this guy is?

It's silly though. Oh, I'm good now. Now you sick.

You finally had a moment on me.

I'm happy for you. I'm just saying, you sick though. You sick.

It came out wrong. You say, eat this motherfucker, eat that pig pussy pork. That's how blatantly obvious it was. One thing before we transition, man, I wanted to touch on is explain Draymond to people who don't know. —don't know Draymond, because I think he's one of the most misunderstood people. Got a good heart, but sometimes it comes off the wrong way, and it's sometimes it's problemful, sometimes it's what's needed. Explain who he is in your words.

First, the first way I explain him is that Draymond the basketball player is not Draymond the person, right? So like, we all know Draymond the person, nicest dude, caring dude, he always checking in on He's loyal, like—

Same way.

Yeah. Everything about him, like off the court, is somebody you want, like, around. You want somebody in your camp like Draymond. On the court, same way. He comes with that passion, comes, you know, a lot of volatility in terms of, you know, it could galvanize us as a team, make sure, you know, we got a lot of nice guys, finesse games, myself included. Like, you need that fire, like somebody that's that bulldog. And sometimes he'll admit the same thing. Like sometimes it does get in his way because it might distract from just playing basketball. But over the course of whatever, the 9 seasons we've been playing together, I'm taking that every single day of the week.

Good and the bad.

And so, and the bad is just an opportunity to learn, right? Like that's, that narrative is kind of tough because his transgressions are just exposed on the court. Like, And the guy that he was with, you know, first championship run, whatever, is not the same dude. And he's evolved and learned and like we all have, it's just, you know, he wears everything on his sleeve. And so everybody gets to have that journey with him almost.

He's like the dad out there now. Like you and Klay are, you know, rehabbing, resting. I know. And Draymond's out there playing like, you know, 20-something minutes a game. I talked to him here and there and it's just, he's just a good dude, man. He takes everything in stride and has, People don't understand how intelligent he is. No, it's crazy. And his basketball mind is second to none.

It is. I think Andre said it, like, his IQ is the best he's ever seen. And either it comes out with him trying to make an adjustment, or it comes out in what he says to a certain person at a certain time to get them to do what he wants them to do to help the team win. Him understanding his own game and how he's gonna be the most effective out there every single night. Him knowing every single player in this league and knowing every tendency you have, every pet move.

He would understand, man. His mind is sick. Draymond's mind is sick.

So yeah, that's my guy.

So what do you like to do now that, you know, you're down for a while? You haven't had this as a professional, like when you're, you know, an extended amount of time down. Like, what are you doing right now?

The crazy part is like, I have 3 kids, 7, 4, and 1. And the first like 3 weeks that I was hurt, I was just like a stay-at-home dad. Like doing all the stuff that I've always wanted to do, like take them to school, you know, pick them up, go to all the extracurricular activities. My daughter's in horseback riding, you know, playing soccer, like just being at every event without an excuse that I gotta go somewhere or I gotta be on a road trip and stuff. Mm-hmm. It was uncomfortable because I was instilling that competitive mindset and I didn't really know how to, you know, use my free time because everything was centered around, you know, practice. Or pre-practice routines, practice, post-practice recovery, and get ready for game days and travel and all that type of stuff. So when all that's taken away, it's kind of an uncomfortable, like, you know, reality for a little bit. But now, knowing I still got, you know, months to get back and get healthy, trying to lean into stuff I got off the court a little bit. Obviously as a teammate, I haven't been at the games cause I've been down here, you know, with surgery and rehab, but, You still gotta be, you know, present and leader and help these guys, you know, develop because this is gonna help set us up for years to come. But in terms of balancing the stuff that I have on and off the court, it's another opportunity to just kind of get your mind right and personally just get a perspective on, you know, what's important. And for me, like, I got a lot of cool opportunities off the court, man.

Mm-hmm.

Like doing some stuff on the production side down here with my company, Unanimous. Who's doing stuff with Sony. Y'all know I love to play golf and there's a lot of opportunities in the golf business that, uh, hopefully I can influence and inspire.

Um, Can you talk to one of the stuff, talk about some of the stuff you're doing because you're doing some amazing stuff that I think you got highlighted, but people don't understand what you're doing. Can you explain to what you're doing at the colleges and stuff?

Yeah. So like in the golf space, um, I've been playing since I was 10 and you know, it's a predominantly male, white male dominant sport. And and it's expensive to play and it's really hard to get in. And so trying to grow the game to underrepresented communities where there's a lot of talent, they just needed the opportunity to be able to get out there and understand what, you know, how to play and get that support so that they can compete. And so, 'cause that provides so many opportunities in this day and age. And so part of that was like Howard University had a Division I golf team, like, way, way back and they lost funding. There's a lot of HBCUs that have a golf program, but Howard didn't. And so part of, you know, my aim to grow the game and get some exposure around it was to try to bring the Division I golf program back. And so I sponsored the team that's gonna start next year. It's gonna be Division I golf program.

That's dope.

We're gonna have 3 or 2 scholarships golfers, both 2 men, 2 women, to start the first team and hopefully be able to set up an endowment over the next 6 years where that's gonna be something that's gonna be around forever. So it's exciting, man, 'cause, you know, I think not many people know how great of a game it is, one. Amazing. It's fun. But two, just how many opportunities you can have. You can go to school and play golf and get an education, especially place like Howard, like that sets up the rest of your life and you can use golf just like we use basketball as a vehicle to do it. So it's pretty cool.

Your dad said once that if you didn't play basketball, you probably could have went pro in golf.

That's how he said it. I kind of believe it because of how hard I work at basketball. Like if I wasn't playing, I would put that same thing, but I always like hesitate to say it because I respect, respect those professionals. I've seen them play and just, it's just another level, man. And for me to just go out and wild out and say, I could be a professional golfer. Like, I wish somebody would say I could be a professional NBA player and bust you. Like, no, you couldn't. Right. So, but I think, like I said, I was playing for a long time. I love the game. I'm a golf junkie, golf nerd. It's kind of, I'm kind of obsessed.

That's what's up. Just being on the sideline, you know, watching, I know it sucks. I mean, we all been hurt. We've all been on sideline. I've been able to play, but watching your team go through what they're going through right now and not being out there to lead, beat, you know, what that's like, what is that like? Like, is that frustrating? It's a little uncomfortable and frustrating. Yeah.

Cause like when you in the, when you in the fight and in that, like in, in the run that we are, it's hard to separate yourself and really like be okay with, okay, this might not be our year. Like, that's a really hard thing to accept. But it's all a part, like history in NBA, like nobody's had a run like we've had.

Right.

And if you look like Spurs teams in the past, like they never, they never won back to back.

Right.

But they had, 17-year run where they were just dominant and, and they were able to figure it out over time and put different pieces together with their core. And that's kind of like what we have an opportunity to do now going into, you know, next year and beyond. So, yeah, that's, that's the best way. It's still, it's still kind of still new. I wouldn't say it's, it's, it's comfortable yet, but there is an understanding of just where we are. Balancing, you know, these last 5 years and what's the—

But then you got pluses on the team. Pascal Baller is good to see him do his thing.

He could play, man.

Yeah, he athletic too. He's that dude, like, just the confidence because of just how hard he works. But you can't teach that.

Right.

You can't, like—

You gotta be born with it.

You gotta be born with it. You gotta be able to step on the floor and have that presence and like demand, like, I'm here. And he's definitely shown that. Even Kyle Bowman, who, who is our two-way player, Damian Lee, our two-way player. They both have promising futures in the league and hopefully we can keep them around. You know, a lot of guys are just like my rookie year, just thrown in the fire, learn on the court. Like, and part of the conversation with those guys is I think that's the, we all know that's the much better way to learn as opposed to most rookies. You get to break your legs. You just get camped on the bench or in the G League and have to, to learn by watching. I'd rather have this experience and for them, that's gonna be, that's gonna be huge for them down the road.

Tell me what it was like. It's kind of a two-part, on the way, leaving Oracle and what that was like. But then the Jersey run you had kind of representing our old squad.

Man, salute.

Yeah, that was dope.

Man, I showed, I was big. As the OG of the team and like the only one that, yeah, from the, from '09, and you know, it was my 10th year in the league. And so it was a cool opportunity. I called it 10 in the Town.

10 in the Town.

So I had my Curry 6s. I had a whole colorway slate that was kind of highlighted stories of my journey throughout, you know, those 10 years and my connection to Oakland and our fan base over there. And it was a cool opportunity to just honor that the last 47 years playing at Oracle because of how much you know, history there is, how Oakland was ride or die.

Man, basically.

When we—

Good, bad, everything.

And so like part of that, the last like 5 home games, I picked 5 people to kind of honor them and their presence with, you know, with, for Dub Nation, with the old school jerseys and all that. So was it Stack?

I was first.

BD. Monte, Andris Bedrins. That was dope.

Goose. Goose, baby.

Shout out Goose. Wherever you're at, Goose. You're somewhere getting drunk, I know right now.

Everybody love Goose. Shout you out. What's up, Black? What's up, Black?

Oh yeah. Good dude, man.

Great dude.

What's up, Black? But so I, it was a cool opportunity just to just highlight it, man. 'Cause we were, everybody knew we were moving to Chase Center And I mean, whether you liked it or not, it was happening.

We appreciate it, man. That was cool. That was dope.

I hit Jack, I was like, yo, Steph's wearing your jersey.

I couldn't believe I had to post it on my social media.

And I seen Draymond wearing mine. I'm like, these dudes fuck with us.

They fuck with us.

Well, it's crazy 'cause we had the Fillmore Five. That's what we was named. The Fillmore Five. We were in the streets of San Francisco doing shit we shouldn't do while we was playing.

I love that.

And then you guys were the Hampton Five. You guys were a little more studious, but it was dope because—

Y'all were way smarter than we were.

But when I got a chance chance to play, you know, like I said, I briefly got a chance to come back and play with you guys. Like the love out there for that team and what we had built was crazy. You know what I mean? And then you were huge and, and always honoring our team. And then I remember the year we, we, I won a championship, you guys in '17, like you wore the We Believe warmup shirt. So you guys, you guys always showed love and it, it was kind of a symbol what Oakland and the Bay Area was like as a whole. Cuz they always paid homage. Like it was crazy the love they showed and those fans, how much they appreciate it.

Like I said, I won a championship with San Antonio. But the Warriors organization is the only team that make me feel like family. Every year they bring me back, make me feel like, make me feel like they appreciate what I've done in my time there. And that's the only team that done in my career.

That's crazy, man. That's crazy.

So shout out to Warriors, man. Keep holding us down. And they got pictures. They got some pictures of us up in the new arena.

You seen the new, the new facility?

Yeah.

It's, it's a whole journey. But like the, we believe and in our, and then our championship run.

That's dope.

That dominates.

That's what's up. We gotta go check it out though.

Last thing on Oracle, what was your most fondest memory or best game that comes to mind there?

I mean, I think most probably 2017, winning the finals there and celebrating with all the fans. Like, we had been waiting a whole year to have that because we had two opportunities to do it the year before and got beat. And then the next year we got it done, you know, celebrate. Where'd y'all win at home or on the road?

We won at home.

Game 6 at home.

Our game 6 was, that night was insane.

When they won it, that's how I was celebrating at the house. I felt like we won it too. I'm a Warrior, bro. I am a Warrior. I'm sorry.

So like just watching the clock run down, just seeing all our fans stick around, confetti was dropping, they put the stage down, like all our families are out there and you just celebrating a championship, but you in your home venue.

For the town.

Yeah.

For the town though.

I wanted to just wear my jersey outta there. I ain't even wanna—

On some Ron Artest shit. Hey, you couldn't tell my kids they weren't on the team. They were holding, trying to hold Steph's trophy, trying to hold the MVP. Like they were in the mix of kids. Some people hit me up like, yo, your sons are all over ESPN. Like they were up front. Like you would've thought they were Steph kids.

We gotta salute you as a dad for getting them both rings.

Yeah. 9 years old.

But what I'm saying, like we gotta salute you for that. You know what I'm saying? Dad, we gotta give you your props. We don't give you flowers while you still here.

I did as much as they did in the playoff run, but I appreciate that.

Your sons probably played more than you.

That's what I just said. They probably warmed up more than you did. I did as much as the twins. I was hurt though. That was the fucked up part though, because I finally get a chance. Like my whole thing is I took less money to win and I finally had a situation where I can win so that I come in because KD gets hurt, you know, play well. And then the game KD comes back, like I almost break my ankle. So I'm thinking, all right, fuck, I gotta hurry up and get this ankle healed. I wanna play, I'm gonna win a championship. So for me, like, and when I tell people the story with the '17 stuff, I don't really count the ring because I was someone who always, you know, I had to get out the mud. You know what I mean? So I wasn't out here fighting with these guys. I was in and out. —Patrick McGrath.

He counting all 3 of his. You gotta count them all. But it's different.

It's different.

You go on the same thing, it shine the same. Your name is on that roster. I think Ray still got mine. When they say NBA champions, when they introduce me and you on shit, they say 2 NBA champions. Fuck outta here. That shit count. Nah, I don't wanna hear that shit.

I think Ray still got mine. I gotta track Ray down and get my ring 'cause I left it at the thing 'cause I— Wait, what? What was this? When they came and introduced it to me, they had locked it up before. They locked it up during the game for me. Ray had it. If Ray got it, if Ray got it, it's still—

Who is Raven? That's Raven.

There's only one Raven over there. We know who Raven is.

Raven from Oakland.

Yeah, he got it locked down. He got it locked down.

Transitioning, meeting your wife at 15 and having a public rela— we had D-Wade and we spoke to D-Wade, you know, about a public relationship and your wife is obviously blazing her own path. But tell me what that's like. You know, obviously a childhood love that's transitioned into a beautiful marriage with a family. And kind of the prototypical, like, this is like the new family. Like the Currys are, you know, a power movement.

Y'all set the standard.

Which is wild to say because I'm just living my life, man.

But you know, you saw that.

I know.

You know, you saw that on Instagram. Better get you Ayesha Curry. Better get you Ayesha Curry. I know you saw that all over Instagram. I know that had to feel good.

I was like, I got me one, man.

You got the one.

The one. But it's weird. It's wild because like, I was talking about as my dad, my mom, how they raised us, her parents the same. Like there's always perspective, right? And I grew up in the NBA, but I was just a kid, man. And I had a really cool childhood experience. Like 15, I meet Ayesha. We don't, we aren't dating in high school, but you know, we talk a little bit and fast forward, what, 4 years? I'm out in LA at the ESPYs. 'cause we just made our tournament run. And me and my, this is me and my dad flying from Charlotte. I had never been to LA before, out here for the ESPYs. And I was like, I remember, I remember Ayesha, I remember she moved out here 'cause she was out here pursuing acting. So she had graduated from high school and came right out here to pursue acting, but we weren't talking at all. So I hit her up and I was like, hey, I'm out in LA, like chilling, whatever. Right. Like, you gotta show me around 'cause I ain't never been out here before. So we reconnected then. And like a couple months later, she had moved back to Charlotte and I'm still at Davidson, which is like 30 minutes away. So we got to kind of keep it going. And from there, like we were just two kids just enjoying life together and not really knowing what was about to happen. And when I got to the league, like again, I'm just living my life. And as the spotlight starts to grow and all that, you're dealt with judgments and expectations and— Right. Everybody just wants to know every step you take and all that stuff. And it's kind of uncomfortable. At times because as humans you react to stuff, like stuff that's said about you.

Oh, no question. Especially your family.

Yeah. Your family and all that type of stuff. And, and the person to me is like, wanna take it in stride and like, you don't wanna react to everything cuz you'll lose your mind.

Right.

Um, but you wanna protect the integrity of y'all's relationship that we started, you know, way back when. And so it's an ever-changing kind of thing for us because, uh, even as you, you, you bring kids in this world, like how are you gonna raise them with this spotlight as well and keep their mind in the right direction and give them perspective and give them a chance to have have a quote unquote normal childhood and stuff. So a lot of responsibilities, but God don't make no mistakes, man. And for me and her, like, I think we, we appreciate the ability to inspire and impact people because of our relationship. Like that's, if we can do it, like we're not perfect, we got ups and downs and there's gonna be, you know, challenges and like every other relationship in this, in this, in this world. But if we can kind of to persevere through all that stuff, man, we can be an inspiration, expectation for like what it means to, to, to find somebody you wanna share life with. And I don't wanna get too sappy, but like, that's real. It's real.

It's real. Right. And it's rare too. Yeah. Especially in our profession, you know? So I think it's dope. The example you guys said, it's amazing.

So I'm trying to figure it out.

It took me forever to find him. But you did. I mean, I finally found him.

8 kids later. Hey Tammy. Hey Tammy. 7 kids later. Yeah. He's still a good dude though.

Thank you.

You're a very proud father. You know, your daughters are your world. When you finally got that little boy, Cannon. Yeah, man.

Wow.

Tell me what that's like, man.

He is something else.

He's a little beige motherfucker.

He is. He the lighter skin. Is that what you said?

Another beige one. Gonna come out shooting from hell. He gonna come out shooting from hell.

His name is Cannon, what'd you just say?

I gave him that Cannon.

Yeah, you already know. He got it locked and loaded in the diaper right now. Cannon.

In the diaper.

In the diaper, you gotta lock and load it.

He's 17 months, man. He's unbelievable. Named him after my granddad. So it's Cannon Wardell Jack. That was my granddad's name. And so he's the first real boy on either side. First boy grandbaby. So he's spoiled rotten, but he's unbelievable. And it's kind of cool to see our two older girls, like, it not just be about them anymore.

And, They all over him too though, huh?

What?

Low key, I feel like I just met him. My wife is holding him hostage the whole first year. Now the girls got a hold of him. Like, Cannon, I'm over here, man.

I'm your dad.

What's up, man?

We kind of look alike.

When he get 5 and get the dribbling that ball, that's when daddy gonna take over.

Just be patient. Told him, yeah, he's unbelievable. So yeah, we're gonna be blessed. 7-4-1, like I said, amazing ages right now. They coming into their little personalities.

That's dope.

I'm enjoying it, man. And it's like crazy thing, just like, you know, like you said, taking your kids to the game. Like the first time I gotta take my son and sit him on the bench and my dad was there next to him and like, just thinking about like, that used to be me, man.

Oh yeah.

That part of it still is crazy.

Well, touch on your girls too, because off camera you told us that they designed these shoes right here. Put 'em up on the table. How Jack, Jack be putting his Jordans up on the table. Tell us, tell us about this inspiration through the girls.

Yeah. So I, I gave Riley, she's 7 now. I gave her and her sister Ryan, who's 4, the CAD drawings to the, you know, these shoes. It's probably what, a year ago. So these were just in the makings and told her, yeah, just go. Daddy's gonna make a new shoe, but I want you to design it. And so you should've seen the focus on her face.

I can imagine.

All right.

I mean, Riley's intense. She's intense, bro.

She, when you put a task in front of her, she took the drawing, got her crayons out and just went to work. Work. And, uh, I told her to make like a bunch of different options and then bring me what her favorite one was. So don't like stick to the first one, like just let—

Right, let it flow.

So I— we went through this whole process, man. She, she did it, and, and, uh, UA put it together. That's what's up. Got the Riley Specials, the giraffes. She asked if it was Cheetah Girls, like she just started watching it. Okay, it's crazy now, we got to bring back all old shows, like the shows we used to grow up on. I'm not saying I grew up on Cheetah Girls, you know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying?

It's another— like bring Like showing up, we watched Home Alone, the first one.

We just watched that the other night with the fam.

They like, what is this movie?

Yeah, but they loved it though. They loved it. The Sandlot.

Yeah. All the classics, right?

Yeah.

So that's, we get to relive our childhood a little bit too.

Tell me what is, I mean, think about it while we're talking about shoes, mid-major out of Davidson. Talk to me. And then you come out, change the face of the game and you got your own shoe. Like tell me what kind of dreamin' this run has been like for you. Like, you know, you're the light-skinned assassin. Like you changed—

You did what AI done.

The NBA.

You believe that? Can you believe that?

You did what AI done to the game.

I can, 'cause I grew up watching them and I remember the first pair of signature shoes I had, I had some Shocks, like besides the Jordans, I had some Shocks and that was the ones I used to rock in the games all the time in high school. And like thinking about being in a position where I'm on my 7th going on 8th shoe and representing a brand like UA and a team and changing the game, like all that type of stuff, it's just crazy. 'Cause I don't think you ever have time to like stop. I don't know if I should, like, you don't have time to stop and just think about it all and put it in perspective. 'Cause you still on that chase.

You're in the moment.

It's crazy, man. The coolest part is like when you walking down the street somewhere and you see, you know, somebody rocking your kicks and like, you don't, I just wanna know like the why, like why you connect with it or why you wanna rock 'em. Like, I know they hopefully make you shoot better, but it's like, that part of people connecting to your story and want to rock your gear, right? That's crazy. I heard— I was listening to y'all's podcast the other day. You can get like, what, 2 pair of these for that? I heard— come on with them.

We was talking about the shoes. I said you might get probably what, 2, 3 pairs? I was talking shit.

How you get that legendary— that legendary—

that was listening, bro. We appreciate you, bro. That's a good one. But that's a funny story. I remember with, you know, I've been talking about the twins so much, cuz they really fuck with you. But I remember when I was playing for the Clippers, then it was career day and one twin came out with my jersey and one twin came out with Steph's jersey. He's like, dad, I'm sorry. And people like, oh, he doesn't like— I was like, I can't be mad. He like Steph. What the fuck? I mean, come on, man. That's Steph. You know what I mean? So I think it's dope to be able to, like I said, what, what you mean to this next generation is really, man, like I said, we talk about the game you changed, but like I coach the, the, the next generation and you're the guy You know what I mean? Like I said, it's handling and learning how to shoot, you know what I mean? So it's really hats off to really what you've been able to accomplish up to this point. Although the story's still, you know, plenty more to write. You've been able to do a lot in this space, man. And we appreciate you.

AI said, they asked AI his top 5 players of all time. He said your name.

You know what's funny? I have that saved on my phone. 'Cause that's so dope.

I talk to Chuck all the time and we tell each other you love each other like 10 times through the conversation. But like for him to say that—

It's crazy, right? Like I'm never gonna get, I'm never, I ain't ever gonna have a big head where you like that dude who I, I, I, yeah, picked up a lot of game and inspiration from that. He's now looking at my game like, yo, he's my one of my favorite PG. Like that's—

For him to say that.

Shaq the same way. Like he says so much love for me as well. And in the spirit of times where, you know, like some OGs, they don't wanna relinquish the—

Nah, a lot of 'em be hatin'. A lot of 'em be hatin'. Just keep it real. They be hatin'.

And that part of it, like when you see the guys actually, like the same way we respect the OGs, like we want it both ways. And so like when you do hear that, that means something, man.

For sure. For sure. That's what's up, man. I heard a rumor that your mom fined you $100 for every 3 turnovers. Is that true?

It was any, any turn— Yeah. 3 turnovers, I had to give her $100. And so she got a lot of handbags. Let's put it that way. I be throwing them crazies and she be up there like, she be yelling at me, but she be mad happy at the same time.

She's coming into, I need 2,800. I need Steph 3 more turnovers tonight and I'm gonna get this bag.

Yeah. It's a live sports beer over there with my sister turnover ratio. She's like, mm-hmm.

But I'm enjoying it too.

She didn't see enough stat sheets in her day.

Trust me. Explain your relationship with Nipsey. Obviously, you know, he was someone I looked up to, admired, got to befriend and come close to. You know, to us he's a legend. He's on the wall. Tell us what your relationship was like with Nipsey.

I talked to Jay Rock today, so he said what up too.

Tell him I said what up. I mean, I got to know him the year before he passed, and he came on my 5 Minutes From Home show, took time out of his day to come up to the Bay. You know, we hopped in the back of the Sprinter, Like, part of that filming, it usually only takes like an hour to get the footage and you have a good conversation and all that. I feel like I was talking to him for way longer than that just because of how real he was and his perspective on life and the way he talked about his daughter and raising her and his relationship with Lauren. All that type of stuff was just real. And obviously his music stands for itself, but—

Mm-hmm.

You have a guy in the spotlight that, you know, has a story and has a journey and is able to turn that into inspiration, you know, beyond any, probably anything he imagined. But the way that he carries himself speaks about more than anything that he does and the work that he does in the community and all that type of stuff that, you know, his legacy is gonna live on forever. But it's just like, I was, it shook me because I just, I literally just met him and you know, you, you appreciate people like that, that have an impact on you.

But I'm sure it was somewhere you felt like you knew him forever because that's how open, real, and raw he is.

It's like, it's exactly, I watched that episode. I've watched it probably 5 or 6 times since, since, since we did it because there's so many gems in there from him in terms of just— He's a gem all the time. Yeah, all the time. And the way that he speaks, he's approachable. Like you, he takes you on a journey too. Like you can tell like the authentic, it's authentic. And, and that, that part of it is, is, uh, is special. So, you know, to his family and all that, um, you know, I know everybody has their back and, and, uh, like I said, he leaves, we, we all have to carry it, right? You know, in our own, you know, special unique way. So with honor.

TMC, rest in peace, Nip. We saw that you attended, uh, Kanye's Sunday service. What was that like?

Please tell me what that was like. I, I, I, I absolutely loved it, bro.

Really?

The Sunday service is for, I don't, let's put it this way. I don't care somebody's past, you know, what they stand for. Like you can not agree with somebody and any or everything that they say, but when they come in and I think it's, when they come in and represent Jesus and they talking and everything that they do and the music and the vibe and the spirit that you feel in that place, it did something to me, like in terms of, you know, that what, 2.5-hour experience. And so I'm rooting for him, man. Like I'm rooting for him in terms of what he's doing, the journey that he's on, you know, if he can change or you believe that that—

Anybody can.

That's possible, then anybody can. And I'm not gonna discredit, you know, my God in that respect. Respect. And so I was curious about it, 'cause I heard so many people going and just, you know, the choir, or the collective is, you know, their name, and with Kanye and just from his album and all that type of stuff, like, I wanted to experience it. I had a great time, man. It was legit, so shout out to him.

That's one thing Jack says, you know, we don't have to always agree with what someone's saying, but we keep that line of respect. You know what I mean? I think just in culture today, the disrespect is crazy.

Be able to sit down and have a conversation too.

That's it.

Like that's—

Get to know him.

That part of it is being able to open that door and have some actual progress. Cause if not, we just gonna sit on the other side of the line and just yell at each other the whole time or like cast judgment and talk, you know, some trash about you and nothing's gonna happen. So for him to put himself out there too, that's the thing for me. Like that's huge. So I'm rooting for him.

What are you listening to right now? What's your top 5 artists?

I still rock with Lupe Fiasco. Kick push, kick push, kick push. Who else? What's crazy is he's from Charlotte too. DaBaby is—

He goes hard.

He goes hard.

He's one of the young dudes I fuck with. I like DaBaby.

And I know high school, you went to Vance High School and all that, right? Couple miles from where I grew up. I ain't never met him.

He on fire.

So wherever he's at, I ain't never met you, DaBaby.

Come on, man.

You gotta go fuck with Steph. We gotta do something, man. 704 is, we like, we're doing things right now.

I can't believe y'all haven't met.

I know. It's crazy. That's on both of us.

I mean, from here now, once you meet Steph, just come fuck with our podcast right now.

Yep. DaBaby, come on.

I'll be here for you.

Yeah.

But, and then I got, Christian artists, I do listen to obviously DaBaby and all that. There's this dude named Tarn Wells.

Christian artist?

Christian artist.

Mm-hmm.

What's his name? Tarn Wells.

Tarn Wells. I'ma jump to that.

You might not, you gotta take a chance. It's just a different vibe.

I listen to a lot of the gospel, so I'll check it out.

It's a little new age. He got some flavor though.

I know you got a friendship with Drake. What's that like?

It's all over the place 'cause we like—

'Cause of battle.

Yeah.

I don't know if y'all brothers or what.

Honestly, it's crazy. Cause obviously it started from the first name drop. You hit me with the Chef Curry with the pot. Right. And I think, I think that was like 2015, but you know, from there we have some connections in both of our families. Ayesha's cousin is part of OVO crew. And, and, and so we spent a lot of time together and—

Does he have your number tattooed on his arm?

Yeah. Yeah. With the Halo, I think.

Yeah. Yeah.

That's like, when you talk to him about that, it's like him respecting greatness all across the board. Whether it's some people that he just—

All his tattoos mean something.

It means something. So like, it's nothing corny about it. It's literally like when you appreciate someone— Paying homage. Yeah. Paying homage. That's love. So last year was fun cuz the whole Toronto connection and all that. Him talking trash on the court. He was talking to me, Draymond, everybody.

He's good for basketball.

Yeah, he is, man. I ain't gonna lie. There's a lot of talk about him with his antics and stuff on the sidelines and all that. He's the owner of the team and he's passionate about what's going on here. And like, that's getting everybody going and it's raising the popularity of the game. As long as he ain't interfering with the actual game.

Right, right. Which he won't.

Yeah. He ain't gonna do that. So I called him after the finals. I was hot. Personal at all or? No, I was just mad cuz we lost, but I was trying to like congratulate cuz I know his team and he, it hurt.

Did it? It hurt?

It's hard.

Like, goddamn it. Congrats. I'm over here laugh crying.

Like, yeah, but it was fun though. It was fun though. He, he shows love all the time.

So tell me what it's like when you started hearing like being dropped in songs, like with different artists dropping your name in the song. What was that like? What was that like?

It was fun, man. 'Cause anywhere you go, like they, people, you hear that they wouldn't call you a name no more. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] So I can't keep a tab on how many times it's happened since then. But that was like the first one that actually, you know, you know, changed that status a little bit. My favorite one though is hilarious. Cardi B got the one with me and Ayesha. She's like, I wanna get married like the Curry, Steph and Ayesha. That joint's for me.

Yeah. Dope. Steph and Ayesha.

Belly, Tommy, Keisha. Like, yeah, that's my favorite joint though.

That's one of our biggest songs too.

That's hard. But before we get outta here, we got a couple quick hitters. All-time, your starting 5. You include yourself if you want.

Oh, you asked me right now. Ask me when I'm done playing. But right now, oh, that's crazy. I think I've answered this before. I'm probably gonna have a different, different starting lineup. So we gonna go Magic, Magic, Michael, Larry, uh, ooh, wait, Shaq.

Only one more spot.

Let me make sure I got all my positions. Magic PG.

Yep.

Michael shooting guard. Larry small forward. Oh, any power forward?

Yep.

Tim Duncan. Of course.

Mm.

How can you not?

Yeah. Tough.

Name, gimme 3 of the most underrated players you played against.

Ooh, I like that question.

The most underrated players.

I like that question. Mike Conley, Jr., Drew Holiday.

Drew Holiday.

Drew Holiday is a good one.

I played with Mike Conley.

Seth Curry. Seth Curry.

I like that. I like that. What's that like? You know what I mean? 'Cause you, you know what I mean? You took the small road, school road and became a superstar. He got to, you know, major school and then it's taken him a while, but he's starting to find his footing.

But what's crazy about Seth is like a step before Duke, he was at Liberty University.

I didn't even know that.

Lynchburg, Virginia.

Okay.

He played his freshman year there. I think they were like the Big South Conference. He was leading the, I believe it was the nation as a freshman scoring. And then teams started playing like crazy janky defenses against him. 'Cause his teammate, the talent on the squad was okay, but everybody was just trying to take him out of it. And it was like, I can't get better here gonna play boxing 1 or triangle 2 on me the whole game. So he proved himself at Liberty. Coach K came calling, so he transferred to Duke, played there for 3 years. And he had an injury his senior year. He had some shin fractures, so he missed the whole draft process, pre-draft process. He didn't get drafted and had to go the D-League at the time, the G-League route. Mm-hmm. And for him, like, to have like the crazy ups and downs, like small D1 school, Duke, G League, back to getting some 10-day contracts and then finally established himself as an NBA player. And now, you know, fast forward 5 years, man just gotta, got some bread. Yeah.

Right. Yeah.

So, and he earned every bit of it. And so that part of it's just so much fun to watch. 'Cause—

It's your brother.

He's my guy. And like, I'm his biggest fan in everything that he does. And you know, you always, you want him to just get an opportunity. Cause I know what type of player he is and he can help. He's supposed to be in the NBA. And to think last year in West Conference Finals, we're playing against each other and my parents up there and just nervous and crying and emotional and all that. It was unbelievable.

Yeah. And I saw him laugh when he plucked you that time.

Oh my God. I had like, talk about turnovers and my mom getting handbags. He was responsible for about 500 of them.

I ain't coping, right? Cost you some money.

Don't nobody know your game better than your brother.

My brother never played in the NBA, but to this day, he one person I cannot beat in one-on-one, dog, for some reason.

It is crazy.

Current player that reminds you of yourself? Anybody?

I mean, a little bit of Trae. He's more—

Baby Steph.

Yeah. He's got that element. That's about it, I think.

That's all I could think of, either Trae. Trae, that's all I could think of.

Last question. Question. Taking you and your team out of the picture, who do you think will be in the Finals this year?

No, no, leave your team in the picture. Keep it real. Leave your team in the picture. Y'all ain't winning shit. Just keep it real. Y'all ain't winning this year. Ain't no need to Stephen Curry shit, man. That's our little brother. He know what time it is. Leave y'all team in there. He said take his team out. Take his team out. Leave them motherfuckers in there. Know what time it is. It's just what it is, man. Y'all need a break, man. Y'all been playing basketball for the last 50 years.

Tell 'em.

All the way to the Finals, y'all need a break. But realistic.

Leave your team in there. Yeah. Y'all ain't doing shit.

Can you ask the question again?

Can you rephrase this question, please? Who's winning it this year?

With his team in there. Don't take 'em out.

I'm gonna say, if I was betting right now, I can't bet. Right. Don't come get me, Adam.

Yeah. Right, right.

But if I had to pick right now, I mean, it'd be, be the Lakers and Milwaukee just because they playing the best right now. Solid. Solid. And I would watch every game of that series.

Right.

Yeah. They are, they got it right now.

AD, Tim Duncan on steroids.

Steph, we appreciate it, man.

Thank you for your time.

Yes, sir.

I can't wait to get that headline. Steph Curry thinks the Lakers and the Milwaukee Bucks gonna be in the finals.

That's a wrap, man. Episode 13 with my brother.

Yes, sir, we did it again.

You were funny this episode, man. Hey, you know, he was on your shit. I appreciate it.

I want to thank Matt Barnes for the 2017 NBA Championship.

Yeah, man, they wouldn't have won it without me.

It wasn't though. I was over there cheering my ass off. Hear my ass off.

Yo, I was crying.

He been killing me all year. He been killing me.

That's what I said. You was on your shit today. Yeah, he got me back. That's the first time. No comebacks. And the fucked up part was I said, well, you be saying, I set myself up for it too.

13th episode, I finally got a funny joke in.

He got me. But anyways, that's a wrap. Episode 13.

Trece.

All the Smoke. Stephen Curry. We appreciate you, man.

Appreciate you, bro.

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