Al B Sure Reveals That Diddy Tried To "Unalive" Him, Oprah Was Cheated On and Lizzo Quits

Good afternoon and good morning. Shout out to the Wino Gang. We are back with another episode of Wine Is the New Tea. Yes, the spring edition. And before we get into these topics Let me introduce my co-hosts, starting with the official King Payne. Let them know who you are, King.

Okay, on period. It is the official King Payne, all the way from the home of the Lituation. What's going on, everybody?

Yes, and of course, the infamous, the iconic, the legendary Dr. Boyce Watkins. Introduce yourself, sir.

Uh, my name is Boyce Watkins, and, uh, and I love Black people, and I just love, uh, I love life and I live in Chicago and we all about Black people getting money. That's something I care about.

Oh, we all about Black people getting money, honey, and we love that. So today we have a packed show. Y'all are going to love it. We're going to be talking about Cry Reese, AKA Tyrese, talking about Trans Visibility Day and President Biden owes us an apology. We're going to be talking about choosing your gender on the ballots. We're gonna be talking about Lizzo quitting music. Is it a stunt? What is it? We're gonna be talking about the interracial relationships, honey, because the boys say the girls who are not melanated don't come to play. We're gonna be talking about why are you single, and of course Oprah being cheated on. And in close, y'all favorite topic, diddy diddy diddy diddy diddy, Mr. Take That Take That Take That. But let's Let's start it off with our favorite topic, the president. You know, this topic to me, a lot of people were in an uproar. We have the Republicans were mad after the declaring of Trans Visibility Day, and it happened to land on Easter this year. So I'm gonna start off with you, Dr. Boyce Watkins. Like, what are your thoughts on everybody mad at the president? You know, solidifying this day for the trans community?

You know, I, I kind of think it's, uh, I, I cannot imagine what it would be like to be trans just because, um, I think a lot of us are very hard on people that, um, that are just really going through stuff, right? Like, you know, um, really to feel— to be, to be a woman in, in a man's body, or to feel, you know, to be a man in a woman's body, like, that's really hard, right? So I think We got to be careful. I know a lot of us, I know a lot of families that will abandon their kids because of stuff like that and all that. I think that's wrong. So I think that that needs to be acknowledged. I think the downside though is, um, it— why does it have to sort of happen with Easter? Like, why can't Easter just be about Easter? And why is it always like the Democratic Party, they always taking us in that direction, uh, and a lot of people are like, come on, man, like, we're trying to talk about Easter. Like, you You know, make your Trans Day Monday or something, right? Why does it have to happen on Easter? And I think that's the part where people were kind of upset about.

Oh, well, Official Key Payne, I see you over here looking. What are your thoughts? I see the face was turned up. Like, educate us, being a part of the Rainbow Coalition and everything.

And you know, that's really what it's about. It's about educating yourself, because Easter is not about the eggs. Easter is not about the bunnies. But Easter is about the resurrection of Christ. And I just feel like if you believe in Jesus, then you're not gonna be worried about what them ex-girls is doing on whatever holiday they didn't came up with. Okay.

Oh, oh, well, I feel like this. I saw Tyrese, he said the president owes us an apology. And quite frankly, I don't know if I believe that. You know, I could have sworn Trans Visibility Day was always March 31st since 2010. It just so happened, you know, for some reason the president commensurating the day, showing pride, you know, trying to get those votes. Like, look, I'm playing team, I'm playing ball. The people wasn't feeling that because they say Jesus is the reason for the season. So I don't know, I mean, do y'all feel like Tyrese took it too far? Dr. Boyce, you said it's always the Democrats, it's always the Democrats. What about the Democrats? You feel like they're pandering to the trans community for votes?

Well, you— I mean, they are, but, but really it's, it's just, uh, it's just one of those things where, first of all, I, I don't really know uh, why Tyrese would be necessarily a political pundit. You know, he's— he, he, he, he— this man struggles a lot, right? Like, like, why, why is his opinion more important than your opinion or my opinion, anybody else's? And I think, I think that's, that's important to be said. But then when you really talk about this, um, it's just, you know, I think that a lot of people just didn't feel comfortable. It was like, okay, can't you separate the two? And, and, and this whole idea, like, okay, we need an apology and all this other stuff. I don't think it needs to be made into that big of a deal. I think that, um, if they're going to apologize, they should apologize for incarcerating all those Black people they put in prison, apologize for neglecting the community all this time, they should apologize for not giving us economic opportunities. That's what they should apologize for, not for something that has to do with trans people. Because here's the thing, right? I'm not trans, and I don't really have anything against somebody who wants to do that. I don't even really need to talk about it as a straight man. I don't even feel like I have to. Like, why is that even on my agenda to where I'm just gonna be mad at you because you exist? I, I don't understand that.

Hmm, that's good points, King Pain. I see you over there. What is it? I see the face. What's going on? What do you want to say? Look, spill the wine. The winos want the wine.

I'm like, who? I'm just, you know, Who went and tapped this ignorant negro on the shoulder? Like, who went and tagged Tyrese in? Matter of fact, we got a new name for Tyrese. We're gonna have to start calling him Cry Reese because he always crying about something. Didn't I say we have to educate ourselves on the topic? If you would do the research, Cry Reese, instead of hopping on live crying every 5 minutes, okay, on period. Then you would know that Easter falls on a different day every year, okay? Got something to do with the stars and stuff. Got something to do with the stars and stuff and Jesus and his birth, okay? Over here, ain't nobody worried about what them ex-girls is doing.

They don't get you. Listen, when I think of Kyrese, every time I think of him, I think of Shayla. That's all I see when I see him going off. And he wrote a dissertation. It's something about people who are not actively booked and busy writing dissertations about why they mad. And then he expected us— I'm like, Tyrese, you ain't never did nothing for us. Are you mad? And then you demanding an apology? Of all the things to bring a list of demands to the president, you want to— I don't know. It's like you can't make this stuff up. It is too funny. And Tyrese, I don't know if you're Muslim, Christian, Buddhist. Every time I turn around, you're giving off a different energy, baby. You know what, Dr. Boyce, you was right. He need to lay on somebody's couch and figure it out. Maybe he needs to go speak with you so we can figure out what's really wrong as a straight heterosexual man. What is going on? Why do you care about the X, the XX, and the XYs being mixed up?

Right, right.

Like, like, like, I get up— I, I don't wake up every day thinking about what what the ex-girls are doing, you know what I mean? Like, like, that's not— that ain't even really something that's even on my radar. And then also, remember, Tyrese is not a Black leader. Tyrese is not a Black— he's a celebrity, you know? And, and, and I don't know why we even think just because you got all these followers that somehow people are supposed to follow you. If you're gonna lead, you have to have some, uh, insight and intelligence about things. And I'm not saying that he doesn't have intelligence. I'm saying that, that was really a wasted opportunity. I think he could have really addressed a significant issue. Instead, he just gets on there, he starts ranting, and unfortunately, because his mental health ain't all the way there, uh, it starts to turn into a clown show. And I think that he deserves better than that. I think he should give himself better than that. Um, but at the end of the day, man, you know, how you represent yourself is how people gonna see you.

You know what, you better tap that wine glass You better tap that wine glass because baby, that was a word.

That was a word.

King Payne, what are your final thoughts on it before we transition into this next topic about Cry Me a River and Trans Visibility Day and the president?

Cry me a river. Cry me a river. Cry me a river. Cry me a river.

Yes.

Okay, I can't sing like that.

All we're gonna get is tears from Cry Reese. That's all we're gonna get is tears. Okay, that's all he's good for now. We don't care. Somebody need to go on and book him for a movie or something so we can get— so he can finally get an Oscar somewhere. Okay, make him cry. He really good at that. He really good at that. Haven't y'all noticed? Yeah, make him cry. They don't make him cry in movies. Yeah, no, as soon as he get a role crying, he gonna win an Oscar. Okay, you heard it here first.

Oh, speaking of crying, he's really gonna get upset about this one. The USCIS have added a third gender type to the form N-400 citizenship form. For those that do not know, the third gender type is called X. Do you think that this has gone too far Or do you feel that people who identify outside of female and male deserve this option? I'm gonna start with you, Dr. Boyce Watkins, because I, I see your face already frowned up. So go ahead and let us know what your thoughts—

you know what, I'm, I'm open-minded to hearing different, different perspectives on it. I, I think I saw a professor one time who, I think he said that they, he thought that there was like 50 different genders or something. And, and I said, come on, man, like, like, that's, that's too much. Like it's confusing for people, right? Um, but at the same time, again, if it don't really affect me, I'm okay with it, right? But, uh, and we know that not everybody's born in a box, right? And, and I think that that's something we had— we can acknowledge while at the same time protecting our own rights. Like, when you get to the point where you got me trying to remember all your pronouns and this, that, and the other, that's hard. Like, I— and then I get it wrong and you start yelling at me Well, then I'm gonna— we're gonna fight, you know, like, so, so it's one thing if you say, okay, I got a right to be what I'm gonna be. Okay, cool, let's have a little Xbox. You do your thing, you be you. But when you start coming to me saying, well, I need you to, to say this and identify it with me as with that and all this other stuff, I may not want to do all that, you know. Like, like if I get up here and I say, I, you know, I identify— I don't identify as a Black man, I identify as a ham sandwich, and I expect you to call me Ham Sandwich Watkins you know, then that's me violating your right just to describe me as what you see. You see me as a human being, not as a ham sandwich. But so, so what I see myself as on the inside is not always what everybody else sees. And I think we just have to kind of be nicer about the conversation, you know. But, but as far as like putting a little X, go, go ahead and do that. Just leave everybody else alone. Let people be who they're gonna be, even if they don't fit in, in that X category. I don't understand all the pronouns and all that.

King Pain, I see them faces, baby. What do you want to say? What do you want to say? I see it.

I mean, it's a lot. I mean, it's, it's really a lot. I mean, I'm a member of the LGBTQ community, um, and I think we do too much myself, okay? Up here we do way too much. I mean, it's not that— it's not that hard, okay? I'll be either your male are female, okay, on period. Either you're male or you're female. It don't got to be that complicated. It don't, it don't got to be that complicated when, okay, on period, it don't got to be that complicated.

I understand. Listen, as a woman, I don't understand. You know, it was all that marching in the street marching to get some of these rights just to put X on the ballot. What does X mean? What does— what does that mean? I identify as X. I mean, can we start asking real questions for the citizenship? Male or female? X. I identify with X. What, what are we doing? You know, and I don't want to be that person because I understand. Listen, I was out there when they said Prop 8, no hate, honey. So when y'all was out there, no justice, no peace, I was out there too because I wanted, you know, the rainbow coalition to have the same rights as heterosexuals because y'all deserve that. Y'all get married, y'all get divorced. I want y'all to be miserable too, okay? Miserable in your marriage. I want you to have to pay alimony, child support. Uh, I want you to have to relinquish the assets. But when we talking about the ballot, male, female, X— what is the X? What is the X? Like, sometimes we have to take a step back and go, you know what, enough is enough.

You think the X is— so you think the X maybe is just like other?

But I don't think you're right though.

I don't know what the other really is. That, that is kind of That's kind of confusing, you know. Yeah, yeah, I kind of think we, we pushing a little bit too far, you know. And, and I think it's, it's unfortunate though because there have to be conversations to be had. I think that we don't have enough understanding of what that community is dealing with. Um, again, there's a lot of rejection, you know, a lot of people, you know, rejected even by members of their own family. I think that's wrong, right? But I think at the same time it's got to make sense. Like when they got to the point where they were letting Like, if I want to be— if I'm a man and I just say, okay, I'm a woman now and I want to go box against women, or, or, you know, play rugby against women, you know, or whatever, and people think that that is normal, that don't make no damn sense, you know. It don't, you know. But, but that's what— that's the world they create. They create a world that don't make no sense.

Oh, kink.

Absolutely. Uh, for me, for me, girl, it's, it's the geometry of it all. I mean, the math ain't math. What they say? XY over Z equal See, um, didn't Elon, Elon Musk identify as X first? That's what I think you were, but you said you wanted my thoughts. Here are my thoughts. Uh, I think that they are getting us ready for the return of the aliens. Did you hear that they sent a message in a bottle to a planet next to Mars? Yes, you did. One of Mars's moons.

So the X is for alien. Gays, so they gotta identify as Twitter X and then we're sending messages to the—

what do you think Elon Musk is doing over there?

You know what, it is, it's a part of citizenship. That's why I'm saying what they need to break this—

they gotta register too. They gotta register too. They just can't come, they just can't come and, and be, uh-uh. You know, a citizen without registering, like they got to go through the whole process like everybody else. X, X, where you from? The planet X.

Come on in. You know what, this is why— this is where I draw the line, because they playing in our face in 4K because they sending messages to Mars. They putting X— okay, they want to identify as the Twitter It doesn't stop. So I should identify as a rich white woman. I am the legacy baby to the Hiltons. There you go. Miss Hilton, to be exact. I am in the running for the throne, okay? Because I think it's— I think it's too much, you know. Give people too many options, they start to act a fool. Why knows, how do y'all feel about that?

Well, Well, what's real messed up too, Bree, is that they, they do this with kids, right? And, and kids just don't— kids don't know who the hell they are. So when you asking a 5-year-old, you know, what do you want to identify as, I mean, you know, they gonna say anything. I want to be a stuffed animal. I want to be Superman, you know. So, so when you get them thinking about these heavy gender topics and they still in elementary school and all that stuff, you, you create a lot of confusion that way. And also you're violating the rights of the parents to play a role in how their child gets shaped. So this, so this reduces the trust people have in the public school system because why are you talking to my child about sex and gender and all that anyway? I don't need you doing that. Teach them reading, writing, math and all that, and that's your job. Stop talking to them about all this other crazy stuff. I, I, that may not fit in my household.

Oh, you know what, I always say kids are off limits, but King, being a part of the Rainbow Coalition, how do you feel about that? You know, because we're talking about the citizenship form, right? Citizenship starts with the children too. It just doesn't do for the adults. They do it for the children. I'm out here in San Antonio, so y'all know we close to the border. We're right by the valley, you know, baby. They try We see it every day, y'all. Y'all see what Senator Abbott— Governor, let me— Governor Abbott be doing. So King, what are your thoughts?

Oh, y'all talking about that Dwyane Wade and Gabrielle Union? That's who y'all talking about? Ain't nobody else doing that. Ain't nobody else cutting up their kid and doing all that transitioning stuff, uh, before, you know, they are an adult. I mean, I feel like a child should be a child. That, okay? And if they, you know, feel that, you know, Jesus made a mistake, you know, they can go ahead and, you know, address that when they're an adult, you know? I, I don't—

I feel like it's just too early.

It's too much.

It's too much.

Too much. Let's talk about Liz though, okay? Oh, you know what, the plus-size diva is starting to get on my nerves. Lizzo has said, 'I quit.' In this name— is this the new name of a single? Is she really over it? Is it a failed attempt at gaining sympathy and attention? Will the industry miss Lizzo? And before I give my answers, I'm going to give it to you, Dr. Boyce Watkins, because you said you are here for the Blacks getting to the money. Yeah, so it's getting to the money, but child, maybe she needs— she needs to go lay on your couch. Talk to us, Dr. Boyce.

You know what, my heart goes out to Lizzo because I think she's confused. I think that she, um, is misled. I think she's been used by the industry. Um, obesity kills a lot of Black people, uh, every year. And, uh, and, and I had, I had a little bit of, of a, of a situation where, you know, because I, I said that, I said I, I hate the fact that they pay her to go promote obesity like that's body positivity. And Lizzo, Lizzo tweeted back and that became a national news story. And all the media outlets accused me of attacking a young Black woman and, and hating Black women. And I said, no, that's not it. I said this because, uh, because I got people in my family who have died from obesity. I got people in my family who got all kinds of heart disease and cancers and everything from obesity. So stop telling me that that's body positivity. That shit ain't positivity. So, uh, the thing is though, that Lizzo's talented. I think she's beautiful. I think she's capable, but they're leading her— they let her down this rabbit hole where, where she's not mentally healthy. You know, every now and then she comes out and she'll say something that makes me wonder, is this lady— is she thinking about, you know, unaliving herself? Like, what's going on with you? And, and why is it that you got people around you who are not trying to help you? They're just trying to use you. So with it— listen, first of all, she ain't quitting nothing. She ain't leaving. You know, she's just— she's right now getting sympathy. She's coming out like, you know, doing a cry release and, and crying about how hard it is so everybody will feel sorry for her. And I guarantee you that within the next few months, she's gonna come out with her next single and keep it moving.

Oh, the official King Pain, go ahead and speak because I, I want you to speak before I speak.

Oh my, my, my, Lizzo. Oh, people will do anything except for diet and exercise. Okay, on period. Tell the truth, tell the truth, Lizzo. You don't want to work out, Lizzo. You don't want to put the burgers down, Lizzo. You did everything and that you could, and the body is still misunderstood. Yes, it did. Okay, on period. Your chest not understanding the breast, the shoulders not understanding the back, the hips not understanding your belly. It's a mess.

Oh my God, they are gonna drag us. Listen, listen, I feel like this— Lizzo, stop, stop it. Lizzo used to be a small girl, she became plus size during her depression, right? Became famous, she was losing the weight, and then the, the BBWs, the plus BBWs, plus they was mad. Lizzo, you can't lose weight, you can't lose weight. So what does she do? She eats Oreos with mustard, she eats double cheeseburgers and Whoppers, she's out here, uh, making her dancers do explicit things because, because she don't have a mind of her own, you know. She doesn't understand you are the boss. So I feel like when it's— she's doing this because— oh, I, I just feel like she's doing this because simply She doesn't understand who she is as a woman, as a celebrity. She doesn't understand that, you know, with every action there's a reaction. I was mad they let her go to the Grammys knowing she has a Me Too lawsuit. She is being actively sued. While we're out here saying no Diddy, we need to say no Lizzo. Lizzo has promoted her big all up and through the internet. It was, it was just uncouth. It was ungodly. And, and how do you say you love the Lord and every time we turn around you talking about you want to— you don't want to be here, you want to quit, you want to tap out, you want to give up? You just had a song saying how you felt beautiful, so is it— is you lying? What is it? Where is the village? Where is the village? And then, you know, I'm starting to believe these girls' lawyer when they said you don't know how to take accountability, because that's what it's giving me. Girl, I think this is a ploy for her to hide out for a couple days so she can go and get on the Ozempic and the Wegovy and the semaglutide and whatever else they're out here taking so she can get real slim and trim and then pop out and say, pull an Adele, like Oh, I just went through some things. Yeah, uh-huh, weight loss. But Dr. Boyce, I see you laughing.

Go ahead.

Yeah, you, you know, you're right. Um, see, the thing about it is they're always paid— they'll always pay a Black man, a Black woman to act like a clown for money. You know, they, they got— they've always had minstrel shows. Um, you know, they have, they have main— they have major stereotypes of the Black woman that they expect you to perform in order for them to pay you, right? You got the, uh, the mammy stereotype, you know, the big, the big lovable Black woman, Aunt Jemima type. You got the what they call the Jezebel, which is basically the whore, and a few others, right? And so when you look at Lizzo or Cardi B or Sexyy Red and all that, it all fits in one little box that, that they, that they want the Black woman to show up as. So you show up as a Black woman who is healthy and physically healthy, mentally healthy, smart, uh, doing something good for the world. They don't want to see all that. They don't want to see healthy, functional Black people. They want to see Black people act like clowns. Because here's the thing, Lizzo is— again, she's beautiful and talented. We gotta start right there. I think she's very talented, but there's all this clown behavior on top of that. And not only is it just embarrassing for all of us, but also on top of that That's what's getting her sued. I mean, she had them ladies on stage shooting bananas out of their coochies and all kinds of crazy stuff. You can't do that, you know, you can't do that on the job. You can't do that in the workplace. You're gonna get sued for that. So now, you know, now she's paying a big price for that, you know. So, so I don't have nothing against Lizzo. It's just like, okay, can't we show up as a human? Like, you talked about Adele. Adele is just a big white woman who stands on stage and sings. And gets respect for that? Why can't she do that? Listen, I mean, Adele ain't out there twerking. She's not out here trying to be 800 pounds. She's not out here doing all kinds of buffoonery. She just shows her talent. Why can't a Black woman do the same thing? Show up and just show your talent and be loved for that? No, you got to bring all the nonsense with it, and I think that should offend all of us.

Oh, Official King Pain, how do you feel? Do you think she doesn't take accountability? How do you feel about the lawsuit? To her still being out here being rewarded in the midst of her degradation.

Man, man, man. Oh, 5 seats! 5 seats just opened up at the Grammys. Yes, it did. Somebody said that Lizzo stepping down, quitting music, is her taking accountability for what she did. I, I don't think that's that's what it is. I feel like, like Diddy, she's realizing she can't use her money and power to solicit sex from the people who are employed by her. Yes, it did. Let's talk about it.

Oh, you know what, you're right, because had this been any other job, you can't tell somebody to lick the banana or show up to the peep show in Amsterdam. That is just so crazy, you know. And you're right, she is talented. Who was able to play the congressional flute like she was, that was played by a former, uh, president? Like, girl, all this talent just going down the drain because you're, um, you're, you're, you're just tapped in to— you need to put that thing on ice. Put that thing on ice and go sing. Put it on ice, go sing, go get your body right. I think she's a smart businesswoman. She has Yeti, you know, amazing shapewear. It's just she always do something nasty.

Amazing shapewear? Well, they don't work for her apparently. Did you not see the picture?

Look, the girl said it was amazing. I don't know. I'm not wearing the Spanx and, and I'm not wearing the Getty because, you know, my back is not big.

So I need to see it work on her first.

Oh, but it's selling.

See, look, I don't work.

It don't work.

I can't, I can't. No, you know what, I'm spending no money on that.

Amazing plus-size singers and they never had to do that. Kelly Price, they never had to get on stage like that. You know, it's just wild to me. That people are saying that the dancers should have just said no. Can you say no to your boss who's paying you? I'm gonna ask that to you, Dr. Boyce Watkins, for the people who say they should have just said no.

Well, you know what, I think that that's a good argument, right? Like, I think that personal responsibility is always important. You got to know when to say no. Like Katt Williams said that about Diddy. He said sometimes you got to tell them no, right? And a lot of people didn't tell Diddy no. Uh, and, and, and you saw what that got them, right? Uh, but at the same time, there's a power dynamic that happens when, when your boss is— in your person that you depend on to pay your bills is asking you for something. The, the consequences of saying no are much, much higher. And then there's also just laws that say you can't do that. And when King brought up that fact, I didn't think about that. When you said that, that she might have been soliciting sex on the job from her workers, now you're getting into sex trafficking conversations, right? That's, that's, that's, that's the problem. That's, that's not just civil penalties, that's criminal activity, right? So, so really, again, you know, I mean, the world is what it is. Uh, I think that there's always been a culture of that going back a long time ago. You go to Hollywood, somebody trying to get you on the casting couch and all that, and, and you should You know, my daughter's going into, uh, acting and singing and all that. We talk to her all the time about drawing boundaries and all that stuff. But at the same time, I think with Lizzo, uh, I don't think she understands that even though she's this, uh, this per— this victim that's going around and, and representing, uh, this, uh, uh, body positivity and all this other stuff, she's also an employer. And as an employer, you know, you, you just— you do that type of stuff You will get sued for that and you will lose money for that. So, but, but I do think that the dancers should— I mean, sure, they could have said no, but that doesn't mean you won't get sued. Like, again, the Diddy's victims, if, if they are, you know, again, he still hasn't been charged or anything yet, right? I think that's important to know. But if there are Diddy victims, which I believe that there are, they could have said no, but just because they didn't say no does not mean that they're not victims. It does not mean he did not do something wrong. You understand? So, so that's, that's, that's where that is.

Okay, Official King Pain, what are your thoughts on they could have just said no, the backup dancers?

You know, they could have, they should have. And you know, it's just like now how things are changing. It's 2024, it's the year of exposure. A lot of people are getting exposed who, you know, we've known about for a long time. We've known about the Diddys and the R. Kellys and, you know, the Epsteins and the Weinsteins. We've known about them for a long time, but because of the, the times that we're living in now, people are now feeling encouraged to come forward. So I feel like, you know, what was acceptable then is not acceptable now, and these people are you know, feeling some sort of resentment or guilt, and they want to be compensated, um, for being, uh, manipulated in a sense.

Listen, I'm telling you right now, if Lizzo's big back self would have asked me to lick some bananas, we might have got a tussling. I didn't come here for all this. I just came here to dance. I did not come here for all of this. So I would have been the one saying no, and if she would have fired me, I would have taken it to HR, whoever, right? And this is why it's so important to understand when you have a gift that pays the bills, pays like you weigh, you have to understand you are no longer on the sideline. You are the boss. You have a position of power, and I need us to get back to that. And speaking of getting back to that, Look, Wine Noses, we're going to take us a quick commercial break. You know we got to pay them bills, and in order to pay the bills, we need to listen to the sponsors. So let's get into it. Browns, Wine Noses. Hey, Miss Tina Brown.

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Okay, Shane Brown, you ready? Now, I ain't going to lie, like, I love Bobby Brown. You and Bobby, how close were y'all?

Very close.

What was it like living with Whitney?

It was fun.

You smoke crack with Whitney, you said? That's pretty— Absolutely.

You don't know that?

We only know Bobby and Whitney. And every time he's sitting down, he talk about Whitney. And I'm like, how as a new wife do you deal with this? That's why I hit that bitch with a bottle.

And it dwindled down to—

It dwindled down.

You know, some people that's—

It dwindled down to my brother touching 3 of my children. Who? Bobby?

Yes. Chill butt? Yes. You know.

Yes. I'm just—

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I can't hold it no more.

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And then you don't want to do— see, this is the problem. And especially with like, you know, non-racial, like non-African American females. It's like, y'all want black men, y'all want the 6'7" big, but y'all don't want to deal with our trauma. Y'all don't want to deal with— y'all don't want to deal with nothing else but that.

So why do you say that you don't date black girls? So date your own race.

What I'm saying to you is you want to call for these men, but I'm saying why don't you date girls in your own race then? All you want to do.

Why don't you date black girls then? Why are all your girlfriends a non—

well, I'm actually biracial, you know, so it's just like, I'm just saying.

So what, but what are you talking about?

What I'm saying is girls within your race go for these type of men.

I don't want to go for anybody. No, I don't.

Whoa, this girl's a liar. I don't go for anything.

I don't go for anything.

You can't do this shit with me sitting over here. You can't do this. Whatever you be doing over here and playing with You can't play with me like that. You can't, because you're talking to me like you're not right. I'm talking to you. You don't make any sense because you told me you don't date girls of your own race.

I'm talking about every girl you've been with is like Asian, Middle Eastern.

Y'all want to talk to me?

Hmm. Dr. Boyce Watkins, go ahead. You the married one. I said you would start off first.

That was, that was, that was heavy. Um, first thing I noticed was that he wouldn't answer her question. He wouldn't respond to her. And, um, and I think that that just speaks to, uh, one type of mindset we've seen where there are these brothers that just, just don't like Black women, period. And I think that is, on the most fundamental level, the deepest type of self-hatred you can possibly have, because all of us came through the womb of a Black woman. Every Black person in here watching right now came through the womb of a Black woman. When you hate— when you hate the women that represent your mother, you really hate yourself. That, that's the fun— that's just the truth. So that's a psych— that's a mental health issue. That's, that's a psychotic issue right there. But, um, that— but, but that also, uh, there's also the reality that, uh, you can, you know, date who you want, fall in love with who you want. But the reality too is that people who are like you are more likely to understand you. So his comment, uh, was— what made— I got his comment. His comment was that women who are not Black don't understand what the Black man is going through and the baggage and all that. And she had the appropriate question like, well, why don't you date Black women? Because they're gonna— and what she's saying is like, they're gonna understand you better than anybody else. Why would you not pick one? He would not answer that question. So, so it's, it's funny because he reminds me of those guys that always talk about like how they want to hold everybody else accountable, but they don't understand accountability starts at home. You know, if I, if I expect you to help me work through my baggage and my issues, I gotta acknowledge my issues and I gotta start being the first person to work on my issues. I can't just dump everything on you and then expect you to somehow carry me through it. I got to do the work so I can show up and we can help each other through this. Because being Black is not easy, it's very hard, you know. And Black love, if it's done right, can, can be the perfect healing mechanism. But if it's done wrong it can just do more damage. So, uh, I think, I think that that brother needs— uh, I wish I could talk to him because I don't understand everything he was saying right there.

Oh yes, Official King Pain, please give us your thoughts.

My, my, my. Oh, it's, it's the black man for me, okay, on period. They got so much baggage. My, my, my. Where's the black man with the baggage when— okay, on period. When is, uh, the black man gonna learn how to unpack their own bags, win, and deal with their own baggage and learn to take accountability for their own mess and stop, uh, projecting their baggage onto their woman. Okay, let's talk about it. Where is the Black man with the bags? Because all the Black men I've ever encountered was all came with no bags, okay, period. I wanted me to fill their bags, win, okay, on period. All had empty bags, win, okay, on period. Where are the Black men with bags, okay? Because I'd like to meet one, okay, over here. Because all the Black men that I've encountered, like I said, have come, you know, empty-handed with no bags, okay, or money, um, apartments. Like, where's the— I know I'm not the only one. Most of these Black men don't have nothing when you meet them, and then when you help them get, you know, the things that they want, that's when they too good for you. They don't, don't like Black women no more. The Black woman that helped you become everything you've ever wanted to be. No, soon as you get it, she's not right anymore. Let's talk about it.

For a white girl, listen, bag the lady, you gonna hurt your back. Listen, sir, she asked you a direct question and you didn't want to answer it. That to me was enough. And I'm happy he's over there you know, causing mayhem and confusion on the non-melanated women's lives than the Black women, because we got enough, okay? We are picking up our own bags. We get into the bags. We are releasing— we telling our homegirls, unpack that bag, sis. Come on, go get you— go get you something. And then when his articulation wasn't coming across the way he wanted it, he was like, well, I'm biracial. And you still won't date a biracial woman. The girl was just unphased, unbothered. She was like, next, next.

Well, you know what's funny, Bri, is he said he was biracial, but he's talking about the Black man's baggage. So clearly he identifies as a Black man, right?

So I'm like, yeah.

So that whole biracial part, to me, that's irrelevant, because if you identified as a white man, you wouldn't have a Black man's baggage and you wouldn't be having the conversation. So, so you're, you're really coming in, you're really talking as a Black man. You only became biracial because it was convenient to keep you from having to answer the question. You didn't want to answer the question. So, so, so really, when you talk about that thing with baggage, and this is something I wish everybody would at least consider this, because it's hard to do but it really makes a difference, is you got to start with yourself. You cannot just go through life and think that, that everything that happens bad to you is somebody else's fault. Or that it's always somebody else, that they're narcissists, and that person was toxic, and this person— start with yourself. Because when you start vibrating, like, uh, Iyanla Vanzant talks about vibrational attraction. So when you start doing the work on yourself and you start vibrating at a higher frequency, you're gonna attract people at that frequency. Because you got a lot of people vibrating down here, but they trying to attract somebody up here. That's not going to work. So you fix yourself, you'll elevate And when you elevate, you'll find people that will meet you in that elevated space.

Oh, speaking of elevated space and vibrating high, is this why so many people are single in 2024? Why are you single? What is your relationship status? It seems like the rules are way different than they were in the past. Everyone has high expectations, like this woman who basically wants spousal support from her boyfriend. Please queue up this video because, baby, it don't get no better than this. Me a Benz before and put me in a loft space and, you know, set my whole life up differently than what it was normally. And I feel like if you brought me to like this level— and then we didn't work out, but we're still friends, you know, we don't— we didn't have beef and no one cheated. It was just— didn't work out. Um, but I still— I wasn't going to move from my space because it didn't work out. I wasn't going to give him back my car because I'm not going to downgrade my lifestyle because me and you are no longer together. And I just feel like if you put me in this space and that was under your budget then, what's the difference now? You know what I mean? You were my girlfriend. I was fucking you. Yeah, but I just— I was fucking you. Yeah, but I personally feel like, no, I'm out my name.

But see what he did was this though. He gave you the upgrade, but part of that upgrade is because you're with me.

Yeah.

You understand? So, so let me just go though. So we didn't work out, me and you dating, you feel me? So I'm supposed to keep paying your loft and keep paying your bills.

Now I get it. You're a true boss if you do that. And that's the vibe we're getting.

But just—

No, it's just I'm not moving. And you're gonna have to do it.

If you want to stay upgraded, stay with me.

If not, go see what's out there.

So then that— So then if that's the case, so you want me to stay with you for these items and use you basically?

Not for them. If you want to live like this, it come with being with me.

Okay, so then— So then you would prefer a woman to just stay with you for her items and her lifestyle? My lifestyle is now contingent my current new lifestyle that you upgraded me to is now contingent on me being in a relationship with you, and that's the only way I can have it in this moment, then what stops me?

Then you should get married.

Then, Jazz, you want him to keep your lifestyle up, keep paying your bills, keep you on that same upgraded level?

No.

You were dating a man that had money, so dating him came with a lifestyle. But if we're not working and our love is dead, I don't owe you to keep paying your, your car note and your mortgage. I'm not entitled to. Now, if I'm that rich, then okay, but realistically, that isn't really my job. You find you a man like me and upgrade to him and keep your lifestyle.

That takes time. So I just feel like if someone had me on a certain pedestal, you're not just— because we no longer working, you're not just going to rip the pedestal from me. Like, or I'm gonna feel a type of way and just as petty and ruin dumb things. I'm gonna ruin your car, I'm gonna trash the house.

Sponsor you until you move on?

Not until I move on, but give me, you know, until I—

give me more time. Okay, there's a lot wrong with that. There's a lot wrong.

Um, Dr. Boyce Watkins, you married. What are your thoughts?

Yeah, I'm not just married, I'm married to a relationship therapist, right? And, and my background's finance, so we talk about love and money all the time. And the simplest thing I'll start with on that video is there's only one there's only one process that gives you legal rights to connect to somebody else's assets, and that's, that's called marriage. And that— I'm not telling everybody to go get married, I'm just saying that that's just, uh, well, that's the main one, right? Um, so you get married, you have a lifestyle, you get a divorce, you split the assets. Uh, the state works to make sure you maintain the lifestyle to which you become accustomed. You get certain rights that come with marriage. Uh, you don't get those rights for being a long-term girlfriend or being a ride or die. Uh, if you are in a relationship with somebody— I, I know a guy who had a great girlfriend that he loved, and he was 50-something, she was in her 30s, he took good care of her financially. He had a stroke. At that point, the minute he had the stroke and he was in a coma, she had no rights. The, the hospital does not recognize you being a ride or die or a girlfriend. Uh, also he was not able to pay the bills and the rent and all that. So when he finally died, his daughter got everything, and the daughter immediately evicted the girlfriend. She said, I don't care what y'all had, there's no rights that you have in this situation. I have all the rights. I own this property, right? So securing your rights on some level is really important. I don't know if people think about that enough. Now there's other ways, right? Like if you are in a relationship, you decide not to get married, you do business together, maybe you get a contract or something, you get some sort of ownership or partnership in something, uh, so you can benefit long term. I've seen people do that. But, but if you say, oh, we love each other, we don't need no contracts or nothing like that, well then still, you're right, you become very vulnerable. You have no rights at that point. So the idea that she somehow thinks that somebody's supposed to keep on giving you the best that they got after they moved on— like, he's got a new woman now, and this new woman is not going to be okay with him taking care of you like he did— you did— he did when y'all were together. That's like you dating a new man and you going to give an ass to your ex-boyfriend. That's not going to—

that does not apply.

That does not work, right? So, so really, um, that, that was the, the weirdest conversation, uh, and, and really it almost says that maybe her, her thinking's not in alignment with reality. She got to rethink that.

Oh, the official campaign— do, do we have this? On the Rainbow Coalition side, are the girls like that over there, you know?

Well, before we jump into the LGBTQ side, uh, let me just piggyback off of the conversation. Um, so listen, listen, listen, listen, okay? I think people went into that conversation already with their mind made up, okay? And again, the messengers Um, I, I feel like they, they were, they were both very confused, okay? Um, I think what the woman was saying is that she's in a relationship with the man, okay, who financed the car for her, okay, and was paying for an apartment, okay? And on that day, he wanted to take the car back and put her out the apartment. It don't work like that. You're not just gonna come put me out on mad day, have all my boxes and all my stuff out on the street in 24 hours. You know, you have to legally give me some time. I may not have access to your finances, but you have to give me time. You have to properly evict me. You have to properly put me out legally. I have mail coming here. I live here, okay? I've been driving this car. This is how I get to work. This is my livelihood. You're just going to snatch it away from me because I don't want to have sex with you? Because the man was saying that if you want all those things, you have to be with the man. But if one day I decide that, hey, I don't want to be with you, you still can't come put me out the place or come take the car away because you have to give me time. I'll give you your car back, I'll give you your place back, but I'm gonna need 30 days.

Okay, yeah, I was your lover and your secretary. Working every day of the week. Listen, I was with her when she said give me some time, because a lot of these men turn into Charles. Charles was throwing Helen out, okay? He moved the new girl in, he had her stuff packed up, had the new stuff. Absolutely not. But I do feel like this, I do agree, you get more benefits when you are married, when there's some type of legal binding document. And I need us to understand that. That's why I do not start no business ventures with no man. As someone who was given a car, I gave it back. You know, I gave it back when I was good and ready, but they didn't ask for it back. They said, you know, you don't have to give this back to me. I was just like, I got a better car. And then it was like, okay. They were like, okay. I was like, okay. But at the end of the day, you do have to know who you are dealing with. You have to know the history. I'm not about to let nobody Charles me. I was traumatized when Tyler Perry put that on our TVs and Helen was being thrown out of her mansion. I said, what? So because of that, I feel there always needs to be a plan. But speaking of plan, let's get into Oprah talking about she was cheated on. Do y'all believe Stedman was cheating on Oprah? Let's get into this clip. Shout out to the Jasmine Brand for having it about Miss Oprah, you know, billionaire status, not going through phones and being cheated on. Who was creeping on Oprah? We need to find out.

Fine.

He has always been fine. He's always been fine. What you do with all of this, Oprah? All this stuff? What you do with all of that? But this is the thing, I've never snooped. Okay, this is, this is the thing, you need somebody where you don't have to snoop. Okay, that's number one.

That's number one, right?

That's right. If you got a soup, it's already a problem. So what, what, you know, if you think I gotta check his phone, I gotta look at his wallet— I see, I've been there, I've been there. Yeah, I followed the— followed him all the way to his other girlfriend's house. Oh, but you're not Steadman. Okay, this was in my younger days. Follow him always, follow him all the way to his other girlfriend's house. I saw it with my own eyes. And then when I, I, I said, I saw you, I saw you, he said, you're going don't believe me or your lying eyes. Oh my God. Really? And then I'm like, well, maybe that wasn't his car.

Oh, man.

Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. Can you believe Oprah was banging on the door going, open up this door. It's open. Yes. Not your life. I bet you he was a Libra. Dr. Boyce Watkins, go ahead.

I mean, would it be petty for me to say that I'm even really curious who Oprah really is dating? If she really dating Stedman, or, you know, because Gayle been around for just as long as Stedman. And, uh, let's just keep it 100, right? Like, again, uh, because Hollywood relationships, you know, are different from what a lot of us are used to, right? So, so, so I think that she was making that statement, I think, to be relatable to a lot of people. But I think that Oprah's dating experience has probably just been different for a lot of, for a lot of people. But I do think this— here's what one thing I could say that I liked what she said about Snoopin' and all that. Um, I don't really know if jealousy is ever a good way to approach a relationship. I, I learned a long time ago, I remember noticing that when I'm jealous and possessive, that makes you less attractive. Nobody's attracted to a person that is— that's got a, a stranglehold on their neck that's trying to bark and block away anybody that might, uh, that might be interested in you. Um, you might want to do that because you want to control what you think is yours, but that does not make you more appealing. That does not make people want to be around you. He might have been, he might have been, right? So if that's the case and that's not appropriate, then you just walk away. But I don't think that fighting about it and, and, and getting up somebody's butt is the best way to deal with that. Uh, either you, either you, you deal with what you have or you walk away from it. I don't think you can really control another person, you know. I, I feel like as a man, I know women don't like insecure men, and I noticed when I was jealous, it would, it would come off as insecurity. And I said, no, I don't want to live like— I don't want to be that man. And also, I don't want to be with a woman who thinks that way either, right? Because I, because I also think love has to be about more than just who were you sleeping with the other day, or who, you know. I just don't— I— so, so I really think that we, we should shift the conversation in terms of cheating because there's so much more to a relationship than just who somebody's having sex with.

Hmm, King Pain, I saw your eyes. The eyes don't lie.

You know, I, I just— I don't believe that Oprah and Stedman were ever in a real relationship, okay? On period. It's given contract marriage. And Oprah, did you go over that part in the contract? Was texting texting in the contract? He can't text who he want?

He said it wasn't Stedman, it was before she got with Stedman.

Gail.

Now she got Gail creeping.

Okay, Gail can't text who she want? That's not in the contract. You know, I feel like Dr. Boyce feel. You know, you know, a lot of time when people have a lot of money and power, uh, lines can be blurred, you know, and they, they, they feel like they can have anything, including people and relationships, and, you know, um, and they'll force it. And, you know, again, I feel like, you know, that's where we're at in 2024 with, you know, people being exposed because, you know, There was a time where that was, you know, stopped— I mean, looked at as cool, you know, just cool having money and power and being able to, you know, throw these big fancy parties. And today is like, you know, the things that happen at those parties are your fault.

So, listen, I'm sorry, the fact that the person, the man said, you gonna believe your lying eyes— I know it was a man, only a man could say something like that. To a woman, and she's sitting up there questioning herself. Is it my— baby, I caught you. I followed you to this woman's house. It could have been Gayle. Gayle, she followed you to the woman's house. She saw you over there. Was it Ellen? Was it Ellen? She said she do not go through photos. She don't do any of that. Oprah said she blind to the BS, honey. She said, I'm not— I don't care what you doing, just don't bring it home to me. Just come lay next to me, rub my feet, feed the dogs, uh, go to your room, I'm gonna go to mine. But please, I'm no longer getting in my car playing I Spy and Detective and figuring out what is going on. Blue's Clues with the facts. But speaking of Blue's Clues, we gotta take us another beautiful sponsorship. You know, them endorsement deals pay the bills. And why not? Raise those glasses, Teddies. You know we need these sponsorships. How else is Tasha going to keep the lights on and allow us to be here? Let's get into it. Browns, wine nose. Hey, Miss Tina Brown.

Tina Brown.

Okay, Shane Brown, you ready? Now, I ain't gonna lie, like, I love Bobby Brown. You and Bobby, how close were y'all?

Very close.

What was it like living with Whitney? It was fun. You smoke crack with Whitney, you said? Absolutely.

You don't know that?

We only know Bobby and Whitney. And every time he's sitting down, he talk about Whitney. And I'm like, how as a new wife do you deal with this? That's why I hit that bitch with a bottle.

And it dwindled down to—

It dwindled down.

—you know, some people that's—

It dwindled down to my brother touching 3 of my— Who? Bobby? Yes.

Sure, but—

Yes.

But, you know.

Yes.

I'm just— I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I can't hold it no more. All right, winos. If you enjoy shows like this and would like to see more with me on stage in your city, well, I'm coming. Tickets on sale right now, link in the description box as well as the bio. Hurry up now while tickets last, okay? Yes, make sure y'all grab y'all tickets so you could go see Tasha K live on the stage. Who else is doing it like Tasha? Nobody. Tasha K, TashaKOnStage.com. And that exclusive interview that is dropping Friday is on TashaKLive.com. Com, baby. It's so much going on. Shout out to Tasha K, she got a lot. It is— oh, it's out now! I'm sorry, the interview is out. Oh, why don't y'all gonna have a treat? I can't— I'm going over there because y'all know I'm messy. I'm messy like this and not like this. So I gotta see what, uh, Bobby Brown's sister is spilling over there about the beloved Whitney. But speaking of spilling, we have Al B. Shore, Mr. Pretty Ricky himself, you know, the Pretty Immaculate talking about Diddy tried to unalive him, honey. So we got this beautiful Bean footage of him speaking to the world about telling his story and what's going on and, uh, and all that. But I'd rather us just talk about it because it's so much surrounding the Diddy. Did he do it? Did he not do it? Uh, do you believe Al B. Shore? Is he a good father? Is he not a good father? Like, what are your thoughts? Because, you know, Dr. Boyce Watkins, you know, you're, you're more of Diddy and Al B. Shore's age. You was out there when they was out here with the curls all wavy and stuff. Uh, what are your thoughts on it?

Well, I, I'm gonna say this. Um, I knew— I never met Diddy. I knew a guy that knew Diddy, and I remember I asked him, I said, so what, what's going on with Diddy? Um, what, what's it— you know, what, what kind of guy is he? And He said, and it was real funny because he wasn't a scared guy. I'd never seen anything scare him. He said, he said, man, I don't know what they got going on over there, but that's some dark shit. That's, that's how he said it. He said it like that, real serious tone. And I remember thinking, okay, I, I don't, you know, some spaces I don't think you want to be in. And I think Diddy's always been under suspicion since Tupac got killed. People have always, you know, and, and, and since then You've just seen a lot of coincidental deaths. You've seen a lot of people, uh, nobody's career really took off from working with Diddy, you know. And, um, so it's kind of like, I, I kind of figured this day would come at some point, you know, because look, I mean, Diddy's been like, he's been like a Peter Pan, you know. He's been dancing around and smiling, been the party guy for like 30 years, you know. And, and so now, uh, the world has changed. So now Diddy is no longer the cool guy who's the life of the party. He's the dirty old man. He's the new R. Kelly, Bill Cosby lookalike. And, uh, and I think that all these chickens are really coming home to roost because you can't tell me that everything was really on the up and up in terms of that Bad Boy space, you know. And I knew a lot of people who spent their whole life saying, oh, I just— it's my dream to work with Diddy, my dream to work with Diddy. Is that— why is that your dream? Because it sounds like that's gonna be your nightmare. So don't go chasing waterfalls. You need to, you know, think about the spaces that you want to go into instead of just getting caught up in stuff just because somebody's a celebrity. Oh, not the rivers and the lakes, honey.

Yes, shout out to TLC for that. Hey, your thoughts?

Yeah, so, um, Al B. Sure was recently honored by Ben Crump, um, at the Ben Crump Awards, okay, on period, where he announced um, his upcoming docu-series. Uh, did he— did it— did he do it? Did it try to unalive me? Something like that. Something like that. When— okay, on period, it was a mess. A lot happened. A lot happened at the award show. You know, Christian, Diddy's son, was supposed to present that night. He was rejected from the award show. Okay, up here, he wasn't allowed to come because Al B. Sure was being honored. That night. Yeah, it was a mess. It was a mess. But apparently he believes that Diddy tried to unalive him. And you know, Ben Crump has his back. Ben Crump has his back. Ben Crump is standing with him. Ben Crump helped him get his royalties back. We— and now he owns all of his music. It's a lot going on. And he wants his son back. He said Quincy, come home. He said it's safe here, okay? He said you don't have to take that, take that, take that no more, okay? You could come home where it's safe. He said, I know God, okay? Diddy did it, okay? And if you just come on home, everything will be good.

Not come on home. Listen, I, I feel like this. I don't think Diddy is an innocent man. But I'm not gonna sit up here and act like Al B. Sure is a good man too. Al B. Sure was out here with the waves all curly, out here with, with the, with the baddies, with the hottest. And then now that, you know, he didn't hit his coma and he saw the lights, okay, he didn't cross over to the light, he saw the light and said, you know what, I'm gonna do the work. And since then he's been like, Quincy, come home, I promise you I won't do it again. Quincy, I love you. Quincy, your father is reaching out. I don't know, show us the proof you was married to Kim Porter. That's what I want to see. I want to see the marriage certificate, sir. Show us the proof that you was forced not to be a father to your son because your other kids say you're not a good daddy either. And I don't think Diddy had anything to do about the other kids. So Diddy made you be a bad father to them? I just feel like there's a lot going on. I feel like he was the ultimate playboy. He was living his best life, you know, the girls was swooning over him. He was singing that Day and Night with the, with the, uh, engineered vocals, and the next thing you know, he's on top. I'm not mad at it. I, I congratulate him, but there's a lot that surrounds it, and to me it's giving not light skin versus dark skin, but that's what it's giving because we know, uh from that era. And Dr. Boyce, you, you know what I'm talking about. You know, you had the Albie Shores or you had the Wesley Snipes. There was no in between, so you had to pick a side, pick the side. It's giving the East Coast versus the West Coast. And at this point, I just feel like, where is the peace? Where is the peace? Where is the— where is the coming together? And again, you are the married one on the panel, so how do you feel about it? Do you do you believe that Diddy tried to take Al B. Sure out?

You know, that part, um, I, I like to be open-minded on all the facts and the evidence and everything. Um, I don't think it's inconceivable just because you've seen so many coincidences happen with people around Diddy, and I think he's gonna have to answer for that. Uh, I'm trying to figure out why he hasn't been charged or arrested yet, which, if given that that's not the case it almost speaks to some sort of connection, like federal connection. Like maybe there's somebody protecting him in the government, because I believe that was what was going on with Epstein. I think that's why Epstein got away with so much, is because he had a governmental role. He— his job was to put the cameras in every room and blackmail everybody. And that's what they said that Diddy had, the cameras all through the house. I'm like, why you got cameras all through the house? What's going on with that? Um, and so, so I think it's deeper than people see. But I also think that, um, you know, you make a good point in that, uh, just because Al B. Sure may have been a victim of Diddy, that does not make Al B. Sure into a good guy. Uh, again, I, you know, I don't know the per— the details of his life, but, uh, Bad Boy was full of a lot of bad boys. So it's almost like this, right? Like, if one drug dealer beats up another drug dealer and steals his money, and he says, he beat me up and took my money, I'm a victim— you might be a victim, but you're also a drug dealer. You, you— y'all were just playing the drug dealer game. Drug dealer game and you lost, right? That's what happened, right? So stop, stop thinking that we're supposed to look at you like you were a victim like anybody else, because you're not. You were just playing this game. So you were in this bad boy space where y'all were doing bad boy things, and one bad boy might have hurt another bad boy, and now, you know, now, now you got the story to tell. So, but, but here's what I think. I think the way it's going to end with Diddy is I think it could end up with some prison time I think he's gonna lose a lot of wealth and a lot of money. Uh, I think it's time for the Diddy era to kind of be over. I think people need to learn from that because remember, with hip-hop, you created this terrible toxic space where they were encouraged to just do things that were illegal and criminal and harmful to other people, right? So, so eventually you're gonna pay a price for that, you know. So Diddy ain't the only one. Uh, you know, what's Jay-Z up to? What— you know, a lot of, a lot of people are gonna have problems because this— because I was around in the '90s when they were living reckless and all. So it's your fault, Dr. Boyce Walker?

It's my fault. It's, it's, it's the aunties and the uncle's fault because you said I was around, but y'all wasn't ready to the police. Well, y'all were ready to the feds.

I was sitting there watching it, and I swear to you, I was sitting there watching this saying, man, this is gonna be bad for you. I remember when R. Kelly was first getting started. I remember R. Kelly and Aaliyah and all that, and I remember thinking, this is not— this can't work. This cannot be what a life of a Black man is supposed to be. So now you're seeing the chickens come home to roost, and, and, and that's just how life works.

Yes. Official Keypain, do you feel like— well, what are your thoughts?

My, my, my, I've been over here waiting. I've been over here waiting. Okay, on period. Because he said, when are they gonna arrest Diddy? And you said, where's the peace? Okay, on period. I'm gonna tell you what a piece is, okay? On period. I'm gonna tell you what a piece is. I'm gonna tell you what Homeland Security and the FBI is looking for, when, okay, down there in this underground grotto, when they're looking for the pieces of the kids, okay? They're looking for the pieces of the puzzle, when they're looking for all of the missing pieces to connect all of the dots. They're looking for the phone, they're looking for the missing people, they're looking for the body parts, any DNA specimens, okay? Kids' clothes, toys, diapers, uh, baby blankets. They're looking for the kids. Yes, it is. And when they find them, that's when they're gonna make the arrest. I got it all.

And that's just what that was. Listen, Mr. Take That, Take That, Take That, I feel like we could have— we could have nipped this in the bud when y'all was out here diddy bopping, when y'all was out here two-stepping and grooving. And shimmying your shoulders back when y'all backs was real, real small because y'all had dance floors and not VIP sections everywhere. When y'all was out here doing the house party, we could have nipped this in the bud then. But no, everybody was just like, I'mma mind my business. What happens in this house stays in that house because I didn't go over to the house. Um, I get it. I feel like— I feel like you should be screaming from the rooftops. And we also should understand, like you said, Dr. Boyce Watkins, just because someone had an altercation with a bad person does not mean they're a good person. It just means, you know, you got your karma, you got your time, and you might have deserved it. Who knows? Um, as much as that goes on in the industry, outside of the industry, or everybody who's tied to who, you know, they said there's cameras everywhere. He was definitely pulling a Hugh Hefner. We know that's why Hugh Hefner, you know, died in peace and didn't get to face any type of anything was simply because he had tapes on everybody. I remember watching that, uh, season when the girls next door, whatever it was called, he was throwing the tapes in the ocean. Did we recover them tapes? You know, did we go find them? I remember that. But hey, if you got to record another bad person to get you out of a situation, hey, it is a very much you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. That's how a lot of people have been able to network throughout the industry and thrive and whatnot. But at the end of the day, we can't allow it. We need y'all to speak up because every time y'all protect one, it allows for them for one more year on out here amongst us, us law-abiding, good Christian, God-fearing folks, you know, that just want to sip our wine on Tuesdays and Thursdays and on Fuckery Fridays. I don't understand why we're allowing them to live their best life. I would never get there. I mean, do y'all agree or disagree?

Well, you know, I think that Hollywood and all that is a strange place. It's, it's got a strange culture and all that, and it's, it's really built on a lot of debauchery that regular people can't relate to. You know, remember Diddy? Diddy was not just a guy who had power, he was positioned by somebody else. You know, you got to look at the Clive Davises, and you got to go all the way to the top with it. And, uh, and, and this is, this is why I just tell people, like, stop dreaming about Hollywood and, and hip-hop and the music industry and all that. Shoot, they, they will scoop up your child and turn them into a prostitute. I had a cousin, uh, years ago, he went to, um, LA. He went on tour with a famous group, and they introduced him to cocaine on, you know, during, during the tour.

You know, is this an exclusive, Dr. Boyce Watkins?

Who's the group? You know what, I can't say the name. I'm not gonna say the name of the group just because it's because it's not— I can't— it's not relevant really, but it's— I already said too much by saying it's my cousin. But, but he fought a drug addiction for the rest of his life because they introduced him to drugs at a sensitive age. Like, remember DMX got introduced to cocaine when he's about 14 or 15? That's when the kid's brain is developing. Like, so it's very hard for them to overcome the addiction when they get introduced that early, and it just ruined him. That's why DMX is not with us, right? So it's, uh, to me it's like, I think those of us that are watching regular people, you got to take a step back and just know that everything that glitters ain't gold. You know, this Wizard of Oz nonsense, you know, behind the curtain, it's not everything that you think it is. So just, you know, be proud of your own life. Like, like, you know, look up to the people that matter in your life. Look up to your mother, your father, the people in your community, the, the coaches and the teachers, the people that are really doing the work. Not these dumb celebrities. They ain't doing nothing for nobody.

King, do you like to give your thoughts on that?

Absolutely. You said something about what happens in this house stays in this house, okay? And typically that's what happens unless you have a slew of sex trafficking allegations and lawsuits, okay? On period. And you know, if you fall into that category, that's when the Homeland Security— again, the feds— feds come to your house and they take that. Take that. You can see all them boxes that they took from my fucking, uh, Diddy house with— okay, on period, it was boxes and boxes of phones, electronics, or computers. Okay, on period, everything was in there. They took everything.

Listen, I, I'm ready for the— I'm ready for the indictment. Like Dr. Boyce Watkins said, I'm ready for us to lift the veil. Where— I'm just ready because I don't want it to be every time we turn around, breaking news, breaking news, and we're getting nowhere. It's all hearsay and conspiracies. But I also feel like this: if he's going down, take that security guard, Gene Deal, with him. Go right next to him and everybody else. It should be— nobody should be allowed to be free. Everybody who played a position of power needs to be locked up right beside them, you know, so they can do, uh, Negro spirituals and talent shows up in there, you know, right where you deserve to be.

Because that's why they haven't arrested him yet. They're putting together Diddy's list. That's it, it's the Diddy's list. Wait on it, it's coming.

Yeah, like, get the snitches sang from the rooftops. Uh, we're here for it. And Dr. Boyce Watkins, do you want to give that exclusive to Tasha K about, uh, this group? I'm not going to skip over that like you just— uh, is it— are they famous now or were they famous in the '90s? Give us a clue.

It was both. If I said the name of the group, you probably know the name of the group. But, uh, you know, and I, and I love Tasha though. I would say Tasha reminds me— I used to go on the Wendy Williams Show and stuff, and I love Tasha because she reminded me of Wendy. Wendy— people don't know Wendy was a is a really smart lady, you know. And, um, and I used to go on that show, she was real professional, the interviews were done really well. And when I came on Tasha's show, I felt the same way I felt back when I used to do Wendy's show. And, uh, and that, that's, that's what— why she has a special place in my heart.

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